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Theology Category => Doctrinal Discussions => Topic started by: Tick_Tok on January 08, 2010, 09:12:52 PM

Title: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Tick_Tok on January 08, 2010, 09:12:52 PM
Why did God not want Adam to know about good and evil?
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Fran on January 08, 2010, 10:41:21 PM
Because God did not want what has happened since?  Look what life has been like once they knew of evil!  God gave them Good.  He was happy to give his children good things.  However, once they learned evil they knew the "difference between" good and evil.

Adam and Eve chose evil while not having a knowledge of evil.  Since that day there has been a war between Christ and Satan to save souls to be saved (God) and to tempting souls to be lost (Satan)!   Could it be that Christ knew what would be required if they gave in to evil?

I am not here to say that I know why, because I would not dare to presume to know the mind of God.  All I know is the evil that abounds today! 
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Johann on January 09, 2010, 08:16:09 AM
"Knowing" in the Bible is often equal to experience. God  had no wish for Adam nor Eve to experience evil. Don't you wish he had never known?

Once Adam and Eve God provided a way they could get out of the consequences - and He is still providing a way out of it for you too. Now it is a personal choice if you want to or not.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Tick_Tok on January 09, 2010, 01:46:21 PM
When it comes to experiencing evil, I can see why God would not have wanted that to come upon Adam. I never looked at the text in that way.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Johann on January 09, 2010, 02:19:09 PM
"Knowing" in the Bible is often equal to experience. God  had no wish for Adam nor Eve to experience evil. Don't you wish he had never known?

Once Adam and Eve God provided a way they could get out of the consequences - and He is still providing a way out of it for you too. Now it is a personal choice if you want to or not.

I see now that something got mixed up as I posted it. I meant to say, "After Adam and Eve experienced evil God provided a way for them to escape the results of sin. . . "
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: princessdi on January 15, 2010, 03:21:49 PM
Pastor, did he not provide that way of escape before they sinned?I agree with all the posts thus far. God never intended for man to "experience" evil.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Johann on January 27, 2010, 03:29:10 AM
Pastor, did he not provide that way of escape before they sinned?I agree with all the posts thus far. God never intended for man to "experience" evil.

If you have a rather wealthy dear sister who will rescue you in case they threaten to lock you up because you did not have the funds to pay your bills, did she provide the way before or after you got into trouble? God had the means before Adam and Eve fell. The provision was made on the cross.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Murcielago on January 27, 2010, 05:58:42 PM
Pastor, did he not provide that way of escape before they sinned?I agree with all the posts thus far. God never intended for man to "experience" evil.

If you have a rather wealthy dear sister who will rescue you in case they threaten to lock you up because you did not have the funds to pay your bills, did she provide the way before or after you got into trouble? God had the means before Adam and Eve fell. The provision was made on the cross.

Very good point, Johann.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Johann on January 28, 2010, 06:57:34 PM
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1 Corinthians 2:1-3
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: princessdi on February 01, 2010, 02:40:39 PM
Excellent, Pastor!

"Knowing" in the Bible is often equal to experience. God  had no wish for Adam nor Eve to experience evil. Don't you wish he had never known?

Once Adam and Eve God provided a way they could get out of the consequences - and He is still providing a way out of it for you too. Now it is a personal choice if you want to or not.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Johann on February 10, 2011, 02:15:49 AM
Was this question ever answered?

Why did God not want Adam to know about good and evil?
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: mrst53 on February 13, 2011, 12:10:55 PM
Because He loved us, of couse! He knew evil would cause us pain and He didn't want that for us. No father(or mother) wants pain for thier child and how much more our Father,God loves us.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Johann on February 13, 2011, 01:40:41 PM
Why, then, did God make it possible for man to know evil?
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: tinka on February 14, 2011, 03:46:02 AM
Why, then, did God make it possible for man to know evil?

Without it there is no choice and how would he ever know if man could love in return after the creation. It is almost as if he tested the working of Love in His creation by free choice.  Love the center of all being and reasoning would now be tested. To me creation of this earth and man's beginning was a way of having love returned to the heart of the creator. What is Love if there is nothing to Love? All creation has been created to give to something else and return back to the first Giver.

For some moments I have come on post to ease my pain. I have lost the love of my world suddenly and unexpectedly and hoping that God will hang on to me in my limp inabilities that I may be of some use yet as my heart seems to be cut away. I wait now for his moment of sleep to be short and ask for prayer for my family to trust and be there together on that Day and Know God's love to give for Eternity to those who love him back.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: abrasax on March 02, 2011, 04:16:42 PM
God wanted Adam to know evil all along or he wouldn't have put the devil in the Garden of Eden. Without light there can be no dark and without good there can be no evil. I am sure the Garden of Eden was a veritable limbo until Eve bit into that apple. I think the struggle and choice between good and evil is the only way to make good exist.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: tinka on March 03, 2011, 05:42:14 AM
How so??? Other planets did not fall!! Satan would have been defeated way back then IF only Eve had sinned and not Adam on this new planet earth....another Eve God would have been given.  If both would not have sinned, we would be another sinless planet amongst the rest of God's creation of the Universe. But.....in that time slot was the fact in time of Lucifer's saga of sin and the war in heaven took place and Satan now used his knowledge to change his defeat from heaven...Adam and Eve chose...God warned them ..no he did not want them to sin! He loved them. The same thing as any human wants that knows God. They do not want their child to sin.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: princessdi on March 03, 2011, 10:28:02 AM
Tinka, I just now read this.  I am so sorry for your loss.  You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers.  May God continue to grant you all His comfort, love, and peace during this most difficult time.


For some moments I have come on post to ease my pain. I have lost the love of my world suddenly and unexpectedly and hoping that God will hang on to me in my limp inabilities that I may be of some use yet as my heart seems to be cut away. I wait now for his moment of sleep to be short and ask for prayer for my family to trust and be there together on that Day and Know God's love to give for Eternity to those who love him back.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: tinka on March 04, 2011, 05:52:25 AM
Thank you princess
You never know how badly it is untill you experience it so sudden and so quick in an instant. This has been extreemly hard for me in so many ways. It seems I have lost all realization of time with this cutting away of my heart. We were truly as one and I am limping with one half of me gone. We looked forward to eternity together with Jesus, a new house, a new farm and everything evil gone. He loved all, and gave all.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: Johann on March 04, 2011, 06:48:43 AM
Glad that you are still there.

Psalm 38:9-11

 9 All my longings lie open before you, Lord;
   my sighing is not hidden from you.
10 My heart pounds, my strength fails me;
   even the light has gone from my eyes.

Psalm 51:10
Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.

How so??? Other planets did not fall!! Satan would have been defeated way back then IF only Eve had sinned and not Adam on this new planet earth....another Eve God would have been given.  If both would not have sinned, we would be another sinless planet amongst the rest of God's creation of the Universe. But.....in that time slot was the fact in time of Lucifer's saga of sin and the war in heaven took place and Satan now used his knowledge to change his defeat from heaven...Adam and Eve chose...God warned them ..no he did not want them to sin! He loved them. The same thing as any human wants that knows God. They do not want their child to sin.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: tinka on March 04, 2011, 12:15:46 PM
Thank you Johann for writing the uplifting words to my heart from scripture. It is so appreciated. Seems it takes moment by moment breaths to get through and have come to realize the gratitude towards people that take their time to support and encourage. Yes, it is from the Love of God and His instruments and His promises that I can hope.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: princessdi on March 04, 2011, 10:19:38 PM
Tinka, you will coninue to be in my thoughts and prayers.  i will also tell my Mom, and as of today, my aunt to lift you up also.  Today we buried my ncle who also died suddenly last Saturday night.  My Dad aso died suddenly in 1997, so ikind of know something of which you speak, but I know my Mom is very familiar with it.  my parents were happily married for 40 years.    My Aunt is really glad my Mom is there for her.

God bless you, my Dear Sister in Christ.
Title: Re: God's instructions to Adam
Post by: tinka on March 06, 2011, 04:28:27 AM
(smile) thank you so much for your kind, caring words and prayers. I surely need the prayers as I know it is now the only way for calming comfort and peace.  :TY: