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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on March 18, 2010, 04:52:54 PM

Title: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 18, 2010, 04:52:54 PM

Former Fairfax minister arrested for molesting children (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/fairfax/former-fairfax-minister-arrest.html)

Ex-Pastor Accused of Sexual Assault (http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/expastor-accused-of-sexual-assault-031810)

Former Dunn Loring Pastor Charged With Sexual Abuse (http://www.fcnp.com/news/6122-former-dunn-loring-pastor-charged-sexual-abuse/)

Ex-Pastor Accused Of Sexual Assault In Va. (http://wjz.com/wireapnewsva/Former.Va.pastor.2.1573075.html)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mfc10 on March 18, 2010, 05:20:18 PM
The video on the second link mentions SDA Church. Sigh.... :hot:
Maggie
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 18, 2010, 05:58:02 PM

Former Fairfax minister arrested for molesting children (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/fairfax/former-fairfax-minister-arrest.html)

Ex-Pastor Accused of Sexual Assault (http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/expastor-accused-of-sexual-assault-031810)

Former Dunn Loring Pastor Charged With Sexual Abuse (http://www.fcnp.com/news/6122-former-dunn-loring-pastor-charged-sexual-abuse/)

Ex-Pastor Accused Of Sexual Assault In Va. (http://wjz.com/wireapnewsva/Former.Va.pastor.2.1573075.html)

Distressing, very, but at least the truth and justice can be done for all involved now, and the proper authorities are taking care of it in the right way. I will be praying for all involved and their families, and yes that does include Tommy.

(Pickle you might want to check out the reporting ethics in those articles you site. At this point the difference is like night and day when compared to you, and they aren't claiming to work for God...  )
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on March 18, 2010, 06:18:19 PM
Wasn't Tommy Shelton on 3ABN accompanying young boys on music programs during that time period?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: sonshineonme on March 18, 2010, 06:32:35 PM
The video on the second link mentions SDA Church. Sigh.... :hot:
Maggie

I've written the reporter and informed her of corrections she needs to make in her report - one about 3abn being owned/run/operated by the SDA church, which it is not, but an independent ministry, and also about the magazine/news source Adventist Today not being owned/run/operated by the SDA church, but also independent.

I trust she will make the corrections.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 18, 2010, 07:11:49 PM
I believe Bob told the truth in presentation of facts and documents and now proven. But I also believe that is just starters for 3abn for additional cover ups. I do think of what has been done to TS own family and their burden of cover up and then the devestation of the families and the victims. It had to stop for all their benefit and the same for the ones that cover the rest of this Saga. It will happen as all is linked....documents really were the admission and the boys or men finally came forward. So who did the lying, who covered, who threatened, and who displayed it on 3abn. None other then the sympathizers favorite star. Sad very sad for all but the price to pay is high. 3abn needs to be handed over to hopefully still true blue of evangelism and the rest need to just go away. Stop it now before the rest comes into view as it will. The public just don't need the fuel.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: SDAminister on March 18, 2010, 07:50:14 PM
Distressing, very, but at least the truth and justice can be done for all involved now, and the proper authorities are taking care of it in the right way. I will be praying for all involved and their families, and yes that does include Tommy.

(Pickle you might want to check out the reporting ethics in those articles you site. At this point the difference is like night and day when compared to you, and they aren't claiming to work for God...  )

Why is it "distressing?

Oh, and the word is "cite" not "site". They are homophonous so I understand the mix-up.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 18, 2010, 09:42:14 PM
Va. ex-pastor charged with molesting boys (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/crime/Va_-ex-pastor-charged-with-molesting-boys-88479542.html)

KY Man Arrested for Sexually Assaulting Boys in VA (http://www.whsv.com/virginiaap/headlines/88457637.html)

Ex-pastor accused of sexual assault in Va. (http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/ky-state-news/88466672.html)

How many media outlets are going to cover this story before it's over? And how much of this sordid saga will they cover?

I was told Carol Shelton, Tommy's wife, was told, "He could molest your grandkids," and that she replied, "Don't think I haven't thought of that."

We recently filed with the court a statement by one of Tommy's relatives who claims that Tommy molested him.

Below is the picture of Tommy the Fairfax police has provided to the media.

(http://www.save-3abn.com/images/tommy-shelton-mug-shot.jpg)

It must be pretty hard for him right now. We can remember everyone involved in prayer.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on March 19, 2010, 02:13:35 AM
How many media outlets are going to cover this story before it's over? And how much of this sordid saga will they cover?
It must be pretty hard for him right now. We can remember everyone involved in prayer.

In some prisons inmates who have sexually molested minors are despised and even brutalized by other criminals, so this could be very hard for him.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 19, 2010, 05:10:53 AM
Wonder if the evangelist minglers still want to mingle in their brother off shoots? Wonder why LS had to sign to keep her quiet before the money?
It appears LS knew quit a lot and it was repulsive to her..it appears.

Then there was the difference between LS son and Brandy's girls in treatment. Then the rigged up fiasco of DNA which should have been no problem at all instead it could have been done properly in right places and excepted in court instead of all the excuses and hangups with sympathizers blind eye to court rules for the 100% without doubt.

LS helped build 3abn and it was half hers. It is now her turn to turn it around along with the stand up of the church. Make it legit under SDA banner. But then again I see what is happening on Hope channel. Some very good but fails in SDA SP message as somethings are portrayed to keep up with the public and their likes.

Wedding rings were added by the people in church manual. Not followed by SP. and there is no excuse, no reason that fits. It's vanity. Not important and a waste of money but yet it gives the go on jewelry to public view. It gives the go on charismatic movement, in music. I did watch one though that they had to be commented on and it was beautiful, solemn, and reverent with some happy music that was properly inspired by their appearance of true worship. I had tears and so proud of them as they appeared better then Gaither in spirituality and true behavior.  Even their dress was better at that time as previous seen strapless and gaudy. What happened to woman's apparel in the "pants". Yea, just old stuff. The new age is in. I would like to see in nationally and worldwide view strict appearance of SP. Let them see the difference in the real true worship and forget the portraying of all ones self in song, dress and actions. Forget the gyrations and let the melody flow as that is what turns the heart.  SDA do have many singers that can handle this. Some I have to get away from it. Right now I am liking the Rev series that is on. and I do miss LS and her inspirational comments. That is what made 3abn. Not the "stories" as they were told over and over until it was old and began to get doubtful or was LS a better deceiver as sympathizers portray? The fruits and actions of LS just don't portray it ...but they do...hmmmm. (Just personal thoughts) until actions prove wrong. Tommy Shelton was their (first??) mistake to portray on 3abn! Pew money supported him too. Johann, God is not a respector of this and I think TS might be left to his folly but am not going to judge as God knows all cause and sickness. He had the message, he had the light and he had his protector, his brother.  It is sad as we see humans bend to outer limits and realize they are now in space but my sympathy is with the victims. Somebody had to do something and it needs to be commended they did it. TS photo looks very sick. You cannot love God and hurt his children just for your own desires. How many people has his brother hurt?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Mary Sue Smith on March 19, 2010, 07:39:41 AM
The words "charged" and "accused" in the newspapers should tell everyone that TS has not been pronounced "guilty" by the Courts.  So better reserve your pronounced judgments as the Court hasn't made their decision yet. So until they do, TS is innocent of all charges. 

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Donna on March 19, 2010, 08:15:10 AM
Right on Junebug!!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on March 19, 2010, 08:52:35 AM
By the following statement I am not saying that Tommy has already been proven guilty in court: But Junebug and Donna, I don't believe that any criminal has had their trial before they were arrested at least in this country. What difference do your statements make other than to state the obvious. Tommy is no different than anyone else who has been arrested. He will get his chance in court. The police did investigate before charges were brought, however.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on March 19, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
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washingtonpost.com  
      What's The Crime Scene all about? . . .
      Crime & Justice . . .
    * The Post's Crime Coverage . . .
  
Former Fairfax minister arrested for molesting children

A Kentucky man who formerly was pastor of a Fairfax County church in the 1990s has been arrested by Fairfax police for allegedly molesting two boys in the mid-1990s, Fairfax police said Thursday.

Shelton. (Fairfax Police)

Tommy Shelton, 64, was the pastor of Community Church of God at 2500 Gallows Rd. in the Dunn Loring area, from 1995 to 2000, police said.

In 2008, two men approached Fairfax police and reported that they had been sexually assaulted by Shelton. One man said he had been molested when he was 12 to 14 years old, and the other man said he was 8 to 9 years old when he was molested, police said.

There is no statute of limitations on such crimes in Virginia.

Police obtained warrants in February charging Shelton with two counts of aggravated sexual battery, two counts of indecent liberties with a minor, and sodomy. Shelton, who now lives in Marion, Ky., surrendered Tuesday to Fairfax police, and was being held in the Fairfax jail Thursday in lieu of $80,000 bond.

-- Tom Jackman

I wonder if someone will bail him out with $80,000 so that he will not have to spend his time in the Fairfax jail until the case has been tried in court? Why should he have to be in jail before the judge has pronounced him guilty or not guilty?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Daryl Fawcett on March 19, 2010, 09:24:22 AM
DS may very well be the one to bail him out and I do not have any problem with that.

I also agree when it comes to the legal system that a person is innocent until proven guilty, however, the fact that he was finally charged says that they must have a lot of evidence against him to have charged him.

How does this impact what is happening between Joy & Pickle vs Danny Shalton & 3ABN?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 19, 2010, 09:34:56 AM
In light of the act that Simpson just admitted that our reporting about Danny's cover up of the Tommy allegations framed the original basis of the lawsuit, I think it affects it quite a bit. If the police had enough evidence to charge, then certainly there was enough evidence for us to report.

And the standard is different between the two. The police in Illinois had to work within the statute of limitations. We didn't have to. Neither do the police in Virginia. So we could report on and the police in Virginia could charge for allegations as old as necessary.

As far as whether Tommy is declared guilty or not, time will tell. But there are a lot of potential witnesses that can demonstrate a pattern of conduct spanning decades. That will not bode well for Tommy Shelton, formerly of Kid's Time.

I wonder what Brenda Walsh has to say about all of this now?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 19, 2010, 09:45:09 AM
In light of the act that Simpson just admitted that our reporting about Danny's cover up of the Tommy allegations framed the original basis of the lawsuit, I think it affects it quite a bit. If the police had enough evidence to charge, then certainly there was enough evidence for us to report.

And the standard is different between the two. The police in Illinois had to work within the statute of limitations. We didn't have to. Neither do the police in Virginia. So we could report on and the police in Virginia could charge for allegations as old as necessary.

As far as whether Tommy is declared guilty or not, time will tell. But there are a lot of potential witnesses that can demonstrate a pattern of conduct spanning decades. That will not bode well for Tommy Shelton, formerly of Kid's Time.

I wonder what Brenda Walsh has to say about all of this now?
And don't think that the news media doesn't know about victims in other areas, either.

On a related note, our good friend Steffan has stated that Tommy Shelton has had NO contact with either of the men involved in the current case. I knw one of them personally, and he has had contact with him for years. Steffan is delusional, and spitting in the wind.

BTW, did anyone else see the video of the reporter asking Glenn Dryden why he never went to the police?  ;D
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 19, 2010, 09:54:58 AM
So where does the $80,000 come from? Pew money? Yes I have a problem with that again. Maybe DS has other business on the side. always want to give benefit to the doubt.

Most criminals that are arrested do have convicting evidence. This case has the witnesses who are victims. How can one unguilt this? Actually DS actions documented also give admission. TS wife just admitted her fears to more then one and then there is adopted relative, Linda knew, DS protected and then there are the victims. TS is going for the trip. unless more money can get him out. Just think about that move and what it steals. by the law of the land we are set up for guilty to pay themselves. I cannot sympathize with evil that has caused all the pain. Innocent until court says guilty with their proof. He is free till then and why waste the money. Courts love it. TS made his own admissions asking forgiveness on letter. This is reality and not wishful "proven innocent" talk. Stand up for the victims. Are you all calling them liars?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: GRAT on March 19, 2010, 10:07:48 AM
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washingtonpost.com  
      What's The Crime Scene all about? . . .
      Crime & Justice . . .
    * The Post's Crime Coverage . . .
  
Former Fairfax minister arrested for molesting children

A Kentucky man who formerly was pastor of a Fairfax County church in the 1990s has been arrested by Fairfax police for allegedly molesting two boys in the mid-1990s, Fairfax police said Thursday.

Shelton. (Fairfax Police)

Tommy Shelton, 64, was the pastor of Community Church of God at 2500 Gallows Rd. in the Dunn Loring area, from 1995 to 2000, police said.

In 2008, two men approached Fairfax police and reported that they had been sexually assaulted by Shelton. One man said he had been molested when he was 12 to 14 years old, and the other man said he was 8 to 9 years old when he was molested, police said.

There is no statute of limitations on such crimes in Virginia.

Police obtained warrants in February charging Shelton with two counts of aggravated sexual battery, two counts of indecent liberties with a minor, and sodomy. Shelton, who now lives in Marion, Ky., surrendered Tuesday to Fairfax police, and was being held in the Fairfax jail Thursday in lieu of $80,000 bond.

-- Tom Jackman

I wonder if someone will bail him out with $80,000 so that he will not have to spend his time in the Fairfax jail until the case has been tried in court? Why should he have to be in jail before the judge has pronounced him guilty or not guilty?

To protect young boys?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 19, 2010, 11:02:22 AM
Wonder if the evangelist minglers still want to mingle in their brother off shoots? Wonder why LS had to sign to keep her quiet before the money?
It appears LS knew quit a lot and it was repulsive to her..it appears.

and again you are running off at the mouth and displaying your ignorance.  If what you say is true, than Linda is lying on her website where she still says today:
"Did I know that Tommy had homosexual tendencies? Yes. Did I know the extent of the problem or have the idea that Tommy was a practicing homosexual? Absolutely not."

You also don't appear to know that Linda was the Vice President of 3abn and the secretary of the 3abn board back in 2003 when Glenn Dryden sent them the letter about Tommy, and she voted in consensus with the board at that time based on what they knew at that time.

Nor do you appear to understand that neither Linda, nor the 3abn board could have known or covered up these allegations which didn't even "allegedly get discovered by Pickle till late 2007", and which were "allegedly" not even reported to the police by the "alleged" victims, "as reported" in the news articles, till  March of 2008.



Then there was the difference between LS son and Brandy's girls in treatment....

You keep saying this, and again it's pure ignorance on your part. Everytime you bring this up and claim this about Danny and Nathan, you show your ignorance, Further you are actually calling Linda herself a liar, when it comes to Nathan and Danny. I can quote what she herself has to say about Nathan  in another thread for you, Tinka, if you want. Just say so. Then you will have no excuse to keep repeating this lie. This is also offtopic in this thread btw, as it has nothing to do with Tommy Shelton or this subject.


LS helped build 3abn and it was half hers.

Really??? Well then why isn't it half Danny's now?  Answer: Because 3abn was founded as a non-profit organization, and nobody own them, Tinka!

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And  again this is NOT the topic here in a thread about Tommy Shelton...
One of the reasons so many of your posts are mostly ignored by me is because you bring up everything but the kitchen sink in them. May I suggest if you are telling the truth and really want to know what the truth is, that you bring up and address one thing at a time, so it can be addressed and answered?

[deleted the rest of the offtopic accusations, surmising and what not- in disgust]
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 19, 2010, 11:22:05 AM
truth of fact really got your dander up didn't it.
IF Danny does not own it then what's he doing there?? Why doesn' LS share in the loot? Fact is, it's coming down to the wire very shortly. and you keep on trying to protect the whole mess. You should see the signs if your at least smart.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 19, 2010, 11:24:36 AM

BTW, did anyone else see the video of the reporter asking Glenn Dryden why he never went to the police?  ;D

Are you either going to tell us what he claimed or give us the link to the video, or are you just playing games here?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 19, 2010, 11:40:31 AM
truth of fact really got your dander up didn't it.
IF Danny does not own it then what's he doing there?? Why doesn' LS share in the loot? Fact is, it's coming down to the wire very shortly. and you keep on trying to protect the whole mess. You should see the signs if your at least smart.



Lies and ignorance get my dander up Tinka. For example here is you still insisting, after I gave you proof in the form of documentation that non profit orgs aren't owned that your lie is correct because Danny is there working.


"IF Danny does not own it then what's he doing there??"  



As another example here's you saying the following ignorant thing which is a lie:

"So where does the $80,000 come from? Pew money? Yes I have a problem with that again."

It has been paid and Tommy Shelton himself and his family had to come up with the bail, Tinka. Their money wasn't pew money, and it has nothing to do with 3abn! If you would stop making things up then you wouldn't need to have the problems you do.

You really need to be concerned here I think and realize that making and loving lies is a big problem.

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on March 19, 2010, 12:05:42 PM

That's rich...coming from you...


The words "charged" and "accused" in the newspapers should tell everyone that TS has not been pronounced "guilty" by the Courts.  So better reserve your pronounced judgments as the Court hasn't made their decision yet. So until they do, TS is innocent of all charges. 


Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 19, 2010, 12:56:54 PM
In light of the act that Simpson just admitted that our reporting about Danny's cover up of the Tommy allegations framed the original basis of the lawsuit,

I just addressed this with you on another thread, Mr Pickle. Here that is again for you.

Quote from: Bob Pickle link=topic=1801.msg22811#msg22811

But now that Simpson has admitted that the lawsuit was originally based on Danny's cover up of the Tommy allegations, then he has also basically admitted that he did obstruct discovery when he claimed that the Tommy allegations weren't relevant.

Don't be obtuse. We aren't. Your claim that Danny Shelton and 3ABN covered up allegations of sexual abuse of children was just one of the MANY false allegations which you made and which were enumerated in the lawsuit and were defamation per se. You can try and drum up and find allegations against TS to your dying day or judgment day (whichever comes first) but whether they are true or false that doesn't prove one single thing as far as your claims that DS and 3ABN covered them up as far as the  lawsuit is concerned, they just aren't relevant!

You are obsessed with the issue and justice? Fine! then let the police and the social workers and Tommy's church handle it, and help them find the truth and do so, that is their job, and it is your moral job to help them, but don't pretend your witch hunt against D.S, and 3ABN helps any children or stops any sexual crimes! It doesn't! They acted on what they knew, not what you claim to!

You are helping NONE, and hurting MANY. And no matter what you argue, the ends just don't justify the means.



In addition you haven't even reported accurately on your website in regards to 3ABN from day one. Here's two falsehoods of yours to start.

Quote from: Bob Pickle
The following letter was sent by Pastor Glenn Dryden to 3ABN board chairman Dr. Walter Thompson in May 2003. The reply he received was a threatening letter from 3ABN attorney Mike Riva.

The letter from Mike Riva was not 3ABN Chairman of the board, Dr Walter Thompson's reply to Glenn Dryden. The letter from Mike Riva says:

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Pastor Dryden
1345 Ezra Street
West Frankfort IL 62896

Dear Pastor Dryden:

Please be advised that I represent Tommy Ray Shelton and have been directed to contact you concerning actions you have taken against him which are slanderous and libelous and calculated to deprive him of his right to earn a living...


You are in possession of the letter which describes the reply the 3ABN board chairman sent to Glenn Dryden in 2003. (in bold red text)
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Possible way to win 3ABN critics.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:04:53 -0600
From: Walt Thompson

Dear Bob,

Thank you for you attempt to understand my sensitivity and that of 3abn administratin and board. We believe we have acted responsibly and wisely, appropriate to the circumstances. While one can always be criticized after the fact and without all of the evidence then available for consideration, often those same critics would have made similar judgments had they been there.

As I recall the events of 2003, I received a call from Brad Thorp from the General Conference telling me of Pastor Dryden's accusations. Brad appropriately told me that it was not his concern, and that it was ours to handle. As I recall, I contacted pastor Dryden and heard his side of the story following which I received the letter that is circulating. I was at 3abn at the time and spoke at length with Danny about the matter. He shared with me the details as he understood them. Whether or not I was aware of what generated the letter at that time, I do not remember. Based upon my understanding that Dryden had had a long standing feud with Tommy over factors unrelated to the above accusations, it did not seem indicated to approach the boys in question directly, having been informed that no case had ever been filed with the courts or legal disposition made. We then discussed the situation with the full board. Given the alleged events had occured many years before, attempts had been made to make things right, and no legal action had been taken, we did not see any reason to pursue the issue further nor to follow through with his recommendations. In my reply to pastor Dryden I merely thanked him for fulfilling his obligation to us. (I will make this one further comment. Whereas there are many accusations on the Internet alledging that Danny cannot be trusted, I disagree. I have known Danny now since the beginning of the ministry. Now more than 23 years. I have been fully appraised of many of the difficulties that he has faced during that time. While Danny sees things from his perspective, as we all do, he is honest and trustworthy. I have found no reason to distrust his reports to me. Yes, there are occasions when after having spoken with both sides of an issue it has been a matter of he said vs she said, but in all situations where I could know the facts, Danny has proven true.)

Subsequently, after this issue has been brought back to the forefront (I think there is only one person who could have known about this and brought it to world wide attentionm, and that person was then on the board and voted with the concensus) I contacted the only person from the Chruch of God that I could find that knew about the situation, and who had been present and witness to the events. (Accept for pastor Dryden's personal accounts, there are apparently no other records of the allegations) The picture that was painted by that leader of the Church was exactly as portrayed earlier by Danny. Dryden was jealous of Tommy and was out to get him - a jealousy that has continued to the present. I was again informed that the DA knew about the allegations and not finding a basis, refused to act against Tommy. I have been informed that the Church of God is a congregational type or organization with different jurisdictions in different states and that there was no higher authority that I could speak with to resolve the issue further. It was not entirely clear to me how that worked. I was also told that one leader pestered Tommy over and over again until Tommy voluntarily gave up his ministerial license. These are the facts as I have been able to sort them out...

I hope this is helpful to you.

I would like to request that you not circulate this letter, but that you merely summarize and varify its contents.

Sincerely,

Walt

You ignored his request and published his letter. Worse you lied about what he said. He wrote the above (blue italicized text) You reported falsely:

"On November 27, 2006, the 3ABN board chairman, Dr. Walt Thompson, essentially admitted in writing that Danny had been involved in a cover up of these allegations around May of 2003."



Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 19, 2010, 01:09:14 PM
Hmm, Ian so your telling me that TS and wife did not work or take any money at the 3abn site. Funny I thought I saw them working on there.  and what office did he hold?  What was their work? That they are able to get the $80,000. Taking in children, adoptions, foster care which was it. They must have been the volunteers that DS claimed. Right! That really is a biggie for me as I cannot imagine a woman knowing the faults of her husband to go and do such a thing to jeopardize another child??? let alone willfully subjecting her own children for so many years to the possibilities of this let alone the embarrassment.  Love nor high water, If there would have even been a whiff of knowing that was a problem as a woman she had responsibility of this. Now I feel she is as guilty for taking in another child and letting this go down. Talk about being angry with this!! this is where I stand no matter what you say. There is no excuse, no room, and no lies here. I see in you no sympathy for victims and ruination of young children. That would come very close to me doing the ultimate. I really do not understand sickos getting on here standing up for this. Believe one thing, when he comes to a jury outside the SDAs the people will not be finding excuses for his guilt. But will deliver. The next in line will be the downfall of the protectors and mam that is what links the whole mess. Unfaithful in one thing ..unfaithful in all. You will see it fall like dominos. unless they chose to stop the public view of this horrific saga and let responsible honest christians take over. But you see a deceiver will not give up his greed until forced. Watch close how it will proceed. Each pattern has its ending....
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 19, 2010, 01:19:40 PM
NSM to Bob:

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You are obsessed with the issue and justice? Fine! then let the police and the social workers and Tommy's church handle it, and help them find the truth and do so, that is their job, and it is your moral job to help them, but don't pretend your witch hunt against D.S, and 3ABN helps any children or stops any sexual crimes! It doesn't!

Well imo Bob's agenda has been visible for quite some time. His only purpose, as far as I have been able to tell, in bringing up all the allegations against Tommy Shelton is to use them to be the accuser night and day against Danny Shelton and 3ABN, and to coerce them into doing as he dictates.


Bob Pickle on Jan 6 2007, 07:19 PM in Blacksda in a thread where Pickle is posting about Tommy, and taunting Duane Clem to come out of hiding...

Quote from: Bob
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I am speaking in a general sense here. Would it be possible to discuss this privately between all of you? Does all this have to be aired for all the world to see?

One way to look at it is that there is a very easy way to shut all of the discussion down regarding Tommy, Danny, and 3ABN. All we need is for Danny to make certain choices, and it's all over.

Thus far he hasn't wanted to do that. I hope he changes his mind soon before it gets any worse.


Me to Pickle and crew:
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If Danny makes certain choices, the discussion about Tommy and child molestation charges and keeping other kids safe will shut down? Did I really just read that? This is just about Danny?

And the choice is what?


Pickle answers

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Maybe I should have worded that better. There may need to be choices made by several others too.

The average person looking on can probably describe what sort of choices need to be made, and what don't need to be made.

If the choices that need to be made had been made long ago, we wouldn't be discussing any of this today.

and continues in a follow up post:
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Say it like this. It wouldn't just "go away" for the children (now adults) that Tommy molested ..
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You are absolutely right.
But if there were some apologies and appropriate steps taken regarding the 3ABN personnel that were involved in deceit and cover up regarding this issue, then while some may have to live with it all to the end of their days, these issues would disappear from such widespread, public scrutiny.

It is the persistant refusal to make amends that drives this public exposure.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on March 19, 2010, 02:01:04 PM
Well, isn't this an interesting turn of events?   I am glad that the police are now involved.  Bob and Gailon did sound the battle cry, but as we see it was up to the victims, to ask that justice be done. 

I am not sure what anyone is saying by making the difference between beling charge, and copnvicted.  however, I jut want to point out tha it says that after a lengthy investigation, they had enough evidence to put out two warrnats for his arrest.  This does not look good for him.
   
And don't think that the news media doesn't know about victims in other areas, either.

On a related note, our good friend Steffan has stated that Tommy Shelton has had NO contact with either of the men involved in the current case. I knw one of them personally, and he has had contact with him for years. Steffan is delusional, and spitting in the wind.

BTW, did anyone else see the video of the reporter asking Glenn Dryden why he never went to the police?  ;D
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 19, 2010, 02:28:10 PM
You ignored his request and published his letter. Worse you lied about what he said. He wrote the above (blue italicized text) You reported falsely:

"On November 27, 2006, the 3ABN board chairman, Dr. Walt Thompson, essentially admitted in writing that Danny had been involved in a cover up of these allegations around May of 2003."

1) I believe I told Walt up front that I wasn't going to keep this under wraps. How dare he ask me to assist him in covering up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton!

2) I did not lie about what he said, and I did not report falsely. He essentially did admit the same to me in writing when he stated that Danny had told him that the allegations were all 30 years old. Since Dryden's letter and action items told Walt and Danny that the allegations were as recent as 3 years at that time, then Danny lied when he said otherwise. Since Walt told me that Danny was the one who told him that the allegations were all 30 years old is a tacit admission that Danny lied.

It's not the only time this kind of thing has come up. It was Joe O'Brien or his wife who stated that Melody's baby in 2006 was born within the right number of days, but it was close. Who lied to Joe or his wife about that one, or, simply, who lied? Eve John Lomacang admitted that that pregnancy was unwed. Why then was I told that the baby was born within the right number of days?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gregory on March 19, 2010, 04:54:02 PM
Tinka asked:
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What was their work? That they are able to get the $80,000.

In the area where I live, the present going charge for a $80,000 bail bond is about $2,400.00.  In addition, many people would be able to cover a bail bond of $80,000.00 by putting their home up as security if they were a property owner.

An $80,000 bail bond does not necessarily require a person to deposit that amount with the court.  Although at a time when I was doing regular jail visitation I saw $100,000 bail bonds deposited in cash on a number of occasions.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on March 19, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
You know, for me, it is not whether TS was employed or volunteered.  His family knew he should not be around young boys, even if no legal action was taken.  We know from current events that many of these cases are 25-30 years old, it doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Fortunately, like Virginia, there is no statute of limitations of this type of crime.  In fact, in this case, I believe that TS wrote at least one letter of apology, admitting to his unfortunate(just trying to be nice here) criminal behavior.  So, his wife, knew, his brother knew, his family knew, because even though no charges were filed with police or authorities at the time, it was still addressed.  Yet he was allowed work to far too close to even more young boys.  That is the problem.  

Sorry, Tinka, believe it or not, many wives in these types of situations choose to look the other way, in some cases even getting angry and blaming the children.  



Hmm, Ian so your telling me that TS and wife did not work or take any money at the 3abn site. Funny I thought I saw them working on there.  and what office did he hold?  What was their work? That they are able to get the $80,000. Taking in children, adoptions, foster care which was it. They must have been the volunteers that DS claimed. Right! That really is a biggie for me as I cannot imagine a woman knowing the faults of her husband to go and do such a thing to jeopardize another child??? let alone willfully subjecting her own children for so many years to the possibilities of this let alone the embarrassment.  Love nor high water, If there would have even been a whiff of knowing that was a problem as a woman she had responsibility of this. Now I feel she is as guilty for taking in another child and letting this go down. Talk about being angry with this!! this is where I stand no matter what you say. There is no excuse, no room, and no lies here. I see in you no sympathy for victims and ruination of young children. That would come very close to me doing the ultimate. I really do not understand sickos getting on here standing up for this. Believe one thing, when he comes to a jury outside the SDAs the people will not be finding excuses for his guilt. But will deliver. The next in line will be the downfall of the protectors and mam that is what links the whole mess. Unfaithful in one thing ..unfaithful in all. You will see it fall like dominos. unless they chose to stop the public view of this horrific saga and let responsible honest christians take over. But you see a deceiver will not give up his greed until forced. Watch close how it will proceed. Each pattern has its ending....
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 19, 2010, 06:13:09 PM
Thank You Gregory,
That does seem unusually low for that type of crime. ($2,000 range)Seems that most on tv arrested for this conduct have to post maybe $250,000 to million. I figured likewise for most his was high and that was the cash part but thanks for claryfying.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 19, 2010, 06:50:49 PM
Di, you bring up a true fact and then at that point when you find that, for sure there is great problem with the woman too. The children would have to be taught to except this activity in justifications in their own minds through out their life. After all their mother did. I am sure they have been through horrible mixed emotions, embarassment, and life long difficulties.

I made comment of his employment because of Ian said it did not have anything to do with 3abn. But if he was allowed to be displayed at 3abn and of course all knowing the details, it was the pew money that supported him. and now the indirect money whether it came from assets of mortgage on house or cash the family came up with it. Of course all money filtrated to family members through 3abn funds are still accountable of what they were used for since the public gave for evangelism. (anything it was used for other then evangelism is deceivement when claiming that 3abn is worked on volunteers).  I just do not believe that anymore like I did at first.   I just wondered what work he did other then 3abn.  Then of course another way of making money is taking children in too. But maybe it was just an adoption for one. whatever.. but these are things that will come out in the courts of public view and it's just not me that will ask these questions to prove the guilt. Then the fingers of justice will all come to view. Its just the way it works as the public has no compassion for cover ups just black eyes to all participants. The prosecutors bring it all to view. Its hard to believe he is out on $2,000 ? bail. But not stating it is not so. I thought maybe that amount might be for DUI or something of that sort.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 19, 2010, 07:20:37 PM
Thank You Gregory,
That does seem unusually low for that type of crime. ($2,000 range)Seems that most on tv arrested for this conduct have to post maybe $250,000 to million. I figured likewise for most his was high and that was the cash part but thanks for claryfying.

A Bail bond is only to assure appearance and has little to do with the level of crime, but rather based on the likelyhood of flight from justice and what it would potentially cost to hire a bounty hunter to bring him back to justice. Given that he surrendered in Fairfax and did not require extradiction from Kentucky, it is likely that his attorneys had already arranged the surrender and the bond sum by consent with the prosecutors prior to his arraignment. A review of the docket or hearing tape would clearly establish the process.

Despite the blindness of the Dannyites, having interviewed and or secured statements from many of the Tommy victims, my only surprise is that so many have not agreed to prosecute. There were six known victims in Dunn Loring and only two have stepped forward so far.

In summary, we reported "corroborated issues" only. You would not want to know how many stories or statements we were not able to corroborate by a collateral source or known documents or other evidence. And remember, 3ABN cut and ran on two occasions when it was clear we were going to expose the truth to the light of day: the conciliation proposal with ASI for Linda Shelton; Then just 24 hours after it was clear that the Judge in Southern Illinois was going to allow the production of all the Auditors records.

We knew the evidence would prove fatal to their claims and still know that and is why we pursue our appeal. THEY also knew we had printed the truth and did not want to face Motions for Summary Judgement and a real trial with a jury of our peers. And THEY are also seem reluctant to face charges of Misuse of Process and Malicious Prosection.

Time and justice are on our side and is sure and deliberately pursued. Goliath simply has lost their ardor for the fight. Afraid of those stones?

As the DLS world unravels, unfortunately for Ian and the Sirmizer, revelations all will be laid bare for the world to view. You simply cannot "seal" all the truth all the time.

It is far from over...Get use to it!!! 

Gailon Arthur Joy,
AUreporter
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Mary Sue Smith on March 19, 2010, 07:44:35 PM
The arrest of TS has nothing to do with 3ABN and Danny Shelton. Half of what you posted is not true!!

God's work will go on no matter what you try to do to stop it. There is NOTHING you can do to stop it. Keep trying--I am here to tell you I serve a STRONG God and you will LOSE in the end if you continue to try to stop 3ABN and the work that is being done there.   
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 19, 2010, 08:03:38 PM
The arrest of TS has nothing to do with 3ABN and Danny Shelton. Half of what you posted is not true!!

God's work will go on no matter what you try to do to stop it. There is NOTHING you can do to stop it. Keep trying--I am here to tell you I serve a STRONG God and you will LOSE in the end if you continue to try to stop 3ABN and the work that is being done there.  

It is not anyone's agenda to STOP 3ABN, but rather to reform it before it becomes irrelevant. Covering up for Brother Tommy, a non-sda misinster, can only be damaging to 3ABN. Throwing out the old grey mare and commitiing Biblical Adultery with a 32 year old divorcee does nothting but hurt 3ABN. Contriving book deals at the expense of 3ABN does nothing but hurt 3ABN. And we could go on and on. At some point, these have become very public sins and require a very public confession and repentance in the tradition of King David...it would also require some effort to deal fairly and honestly with Linda Shelton and deliver up her share of the estate, but Danny Lee Shelton simply does not have it in him.

Time is running out!!! The Lord will correct the message so it does not reflect hypocacy; AFACTS, LLBN, HOPE Channel and a host of others will rise and make 3ABN irrelevant
if it does not confess, repent and reform.


As I stated, Get use to it...it will happen. It is and remains in their hands to alter the record and the future. But they refuse...this is clearly denying the Spirit and cannot be forever tolerated by the Spirit. Justice will prevail and you can exclaim that every thing everyone writes is a lie that does not see the world as a junebug, but in time junebugs will fade into history and the truth will prevail, with or without you.

Junebugs also have a nasty habit of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and we know their demise. Might want to change your perception and your moniker!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Mary Sue Smith on March 19, 2010, 08:17:59 PM
You are right on one thing: time is running out for those who are against the work of God.  That includes you, young man.

You have absolutely no proof of any adultery by anyone at 3ABN, including Danny Shelton. 

3ABN will NEVER become irrelevant as long as they follow the Lord as they have been doing in the past 20 years. God is blessing them abundantly.

Mr. Joy, I am a grandma--it is YOU that is on the WRONG SIDE.  To work against the Lord is a very serious thing. Your soul is at stake to work against the Lord and the work He has ordained.  The Lord is sitting on His Throne in Heaven and He sees what you are saying and doing.  He knows ALL, every motive and every word said.  He is a STRONG God and He knows exactly what to do in this situation. He is helping his servants at 3ABN and blessing them in spite of all your false allegations. 

Have you not read your Bible? Those who have worked against the Lord and His Work never end up good.  Mark my words--you had better STOP!!   
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gregory on March 19, 2010, 08:46:08 PM
Tinka:

I may not have been clear in my posting:  According to the news media, the bail bond that effected the release of TS was $80,000.00,  not $2,000.  There is more than one way to satisfy a bail bond.  A property owner may satisfy a bail bond by pledging that property.  IOW  if TS is a property owner, he can essentially place an l$80,000 lein on the property, or other family members may do so.  That will satisfy the bail bond.

Another way to satisfy that $80,000.00 bail bond to to purchase satisfaction from a licensed bail bondsman.  In the area where I live, where there is a lot of competation, an $80,000 bail bond may be satisfied by paymenet of a fee of about $2,400.00 to a licensed bail bondsman.  In return for the payment of that fee, that bail bondsman pledges the $80,000.00 to satify the bail requirements.

Perhaps where TS lives the fees are higher as there may not be much cometition there.  But, I will asume that he has family members who have the knowledge to obtain bond at reasonable rates.  As it is the Virginia authorities who have charged him, his bail can be satisfied by any bail bondsman licensed to do business in the State of Virginia.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 19, 2010, 08:50:18 PM
Look, Grandma, I am a Grandfather, not a "young man" and I know the difference between the truth and a lie. Danny Lee Shelton is a LIAR and an ADULTERER. I have done the interviews and have the evidence, regardless of your simple blindnness...try some of the eyesalve before you end up a partaker in the sin of ommission.

Now, Grandma Junebug,  since you want a Bible Study lets see what the Lord Jesus himself said that CONDEMNS Danny Lee Shelton, regardless of your old aged blindness... the Lord Jesus Christ gave a very clear definition of adultery in Matthew:

Matthew 5:27
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit ADULTERY:

Matthew 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed ADULTERY with her already in his heart.

Matthew 5:32
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit ADULTERY: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth ADULTERY.

Matthew 19:9
And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth ADULTERY: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit ADULTERY.

Danny Lee Shelton clearly had no evidence of Fornication by Linda Shelton and the record is replete with proof of this bold faced lie. Therfore, As long as Danny is at 3ABN, fails to confess his sins, fails to repent, fails to reform, 3ABN faces one crisis after another... and faces Nathan the Prophet's finger in his face every morning when he faces the mirror...the Lord has plead for his soul for many years and he denies the Spirit and the proof is in the failure to confess, repent and reform. And now he is divorcing yet again, Grandma Junebug, so just explain to me why he does not wear the blessings of the Lord and why all his sins have been opened to the world for viewing?????? OPEN SIN, my dear JUNEBUG...and that makes Danny Lee Shelton a hypocrit and his very presence at 3ABN is a blight upon the Lord's Ministry.

And that's the truth, whether you like it or not!!! If it were not, we would still be preparing for trial, but he broke and ran at the first clear evidence they were fighting a loosing battle. And if we were the problem, would the Lord have opened the way for us to open their books??? Would he have revealed to us all that was revealed???

Eyesalve, Grandma Junebug, before you suffer blindness from the brightness of the truth...the word of TRUTH does not lie and is proof Primae Facie.

Anytime you would like a study on other facts, just let me know, Grandma Junebug, and repent of your sin of ommission before it drags you into the pit with your beloved Liar and Adulterer!!! He would caste you aside and , Lord Forbid. squish you, all without batting an eye!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Mary Sue Smith on March 19, 2010, 08:56:48 PM
Sounds like my post got your feathers ruffled Mr. Joy.  That is too bad because it was sent in good faith. The Lord God of Heaven knows.

But all your blasting of Bible verses will not make DS guilty of adultery, no matter how much you seem to think he has. You can murder a reputation, you can even kill the body, but you will NEVER EVER be able to hurt the soul that knows it is right with the Lord.   

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 19, 2010, 09:04:40 PM
Junebug,

The Lord God of Heaven knows that even if the minor is "consenting," child molestation is wrong. I'm sure the parents of your students agree. Do any of those parents know your position on the matter? How about your local school officials? Do they know?

If you think you are right with the Lord while having such a morally loose position on that topic, you are deceived.

Your posts sound a bit blasphemous, in my opinion. Covering up child molestation or unbiblical divorce or private inurement or kickbacks is never part of God's work. If you don't like that, take it up with Him, not us.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: GRAT on March 19, 2010, 11:22:53 PM
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school.   Does anyone know if that is a fact?   

In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer?  He put away his wife and married another.  The another he married had been put away.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 20, 2010, 04:58:01 AM
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school.   Does anyone know if that is a fact?  

In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer?  He put away his wife and married another.  The another he married had been put away.

First Grat, you would need to know what if anything was the problem between Brandy and Danny. It is obvious from your post here that you are clueless or you would not have written what you did. You really should imo learn to ask questions and get the facts before judging another, and if you don't have them, learn to keep your mouth shut. And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.


Bob and Gailon-- Your posts to Junebug again reveal how ignorant you are and how you say the falsest things about people as if you know what you are talking about and actually believe you do.

I know her, and I know from your posts that you are clueless about her... not that that will stop you I am sure, but she is right, the Lord does know.

And He will NOT be mocked.

I think it would be a good thing if all could keep in mind that the Lord takes very personally what is done and not done with and to his people, and keep in mind what he said about loving one another as he did. That includes all of us here and all of those at 3abn...

"Whatsoever you have done unto them, you have done it unto  me"

Happy Sabbath...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 20, 2010, 05:51:14 AM
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school.   Does anyone know if that is a fact?   

In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer?  He put away his wife and married another.  The another he married had been put away.

One of Tommy's alleged victims told me Tommy was working at a school, or associated with a school. Something like that. He has been living near Marion, KY, for years, just south of the IL line.

Danny did put away his wife, and then married a divorcee. That is correct.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 20, 2010, 05:56:35 AM
And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.

Danny said on the air that it was everyone's business, to a point. He said that in 2004. And since in America marriage licenses and divorce records are public record, then your statement is false.

Bob and Gailon-- Your posts to Junebug again reveal how ignorant you are and how you say the falsest things about people as if you know what you are talking about and actually believe you do.

I know her, and I know from your posts that you are clueless about her...

Then I suppose you could inform everyone what sort of teacher Junebug is.

Now honestly, Cindy, what do you think about a teacher who claims to be a conservative Adventist who can't bring herself to say that even if the minor was "consenting," it was still wrong, Tommy needed to go, and Danny was wrong in covering it all up?

How would you as a parent or grandparent feel if your kids or grandkids were being taught by Junebug?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 20, 2010, 06:04:40 AM
Junebug and Ian,
It sounds if you really have been a grandma. In grandma land where your time is nothing more then that. A true grandma is a person that can teach reality, true facts, and how to deal with them. I am a great grandmother and with much experience have tried to teach the tricks of Satan to my off spring. First of all no.1 is to teach them to trust no man as we are instructed. (Have you run across that yet?) as you trust DS and are a sympathizer against the facts that are in plain view, actions and documents and you choose that sin is not possible here. This world is and was never rosy as you pretend and want it to be. If you present that to your grandchildren they will fail to your cover up of life.  Our family has well discovered it. It is lies, greed, cheat, adultery,stealing, and limbo nuts.  and what is worse you probably helped support DS to lose his soul if he does not repent as you must have contributed your loyalty with money. This has caused the black eye to the beliefs of SDA people plus used their money to DS desires of lust and "extravaganza lifestyle". Where have you been other then "Grandma land". Did you realize that you can cover all you can for your "own self" and others against sin and then lose your own soul? That happens when you do the perfection yourself, for yourself with no care for victims and their pain or other peoples calamities. Just hide it so you don't come out of roseyyyy perfections.

and Ian, I may not get all the facts perfect as you try with your (lawyer?) abilities but the picture is painted in clear colors. Yes, I am an outsider and clear away from it. There fore stepping back I am able to get clearer view as I do care for the cause of God. but what is worse in your case is that I detect that you must be very close to the subjects and that gives you privilege to know actual facts. Therefore your facts you imply on here do not match the documents and behavior problems that are in clear view of public scrutiny. So it is obvious when you are that close to the issues, you always come back with some sort of confused misunderstanding of a fact when other poster on here comment and many times I end up asking "what in the world does that have with the price of a hill of beans". It seems your in "Grandma land" too. I call that cover up or your being fed part of the  :horse: feed.   I ask questions but you give off wall answers. Quite confusing.  I also call what you both do is seared minds and in your own worlds.  I would prefer to live like all is rosy but experience does not let you until that great day. We are here to deal with Choice of experience. We are given eyes and ears to decide and sympathy and compassion. The sympathy and compassion is where Satan can get you. He uses this the most on what christian people have. Do you think I like this for the church that for me is 5 generations old, we have protected it many times and now I see the big picture of letting or covering people up to destroy it. and that is fact!!!
DS socked it to the SDA people and no getting around it. and the minglers of it to boot. They need to come clean away before all this is exploited

Ian, you say you have the knowledge of truth so state it and clear it all up as a witness. That is your duty according to scripture. Not to taunt and can't deliver.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 20, 2010, 07:10:44 AM
And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.

Danny said on the air that it was everyone's business, to a point. He said that in 2004. And since in America marriage licenses and divorce records are public record, then your statement is false.

Bob, you and I both know what the deal is and just so you know, and between you and I, I personally consider you more accountable than Grat for the lies and false accusations you are allowing and condoning and defending here... You have no excuse afaic.

Bob and Gailon-- Your posts to Junebug again reveal how ignorant you are and how you say the falsest things about people as if you know what you are talking about and actually believe you do.

I know her, and I know from your posts that you are clueless about her...

Then I suppose you could inform everyone what sort of teacher Junebug is.

Now honestly, Cindy, what do you think about a teacher who claims to be a conservative Adventist who can't bring herself to say that even if the minor was "consenting," it was still wrong, Tommy needed to go, and Danny was wrong in covering it all up?

How would you as a parent or grandparent feel if your kids or grandkids were being taught by Junebug?
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Bob, I know Lee also, and I know what she meant with her question ( not statement of her belief) to you, and I know she was asking about the age of consent, I also know you twist and distort things even when they aren't phrased badly so you will continue to harp on this forever, as your track record proves you are like a dog with a bone and a broken record regardless of who tries to correct the situation or your personal opinions.

As far as you other question goes, well my kids are grown, but if Junebug was a teacher I would not hesitate to have her watch over my grandson or teach him, and I am very protective of him, ok?

But as I said you are clueless and I know you won't care what I have to say about this or allow it to stop you even though you ask.. Because imo you are more than sorry, you are just plain sad..

This is all off topic here also btw, so am done speaking of it..

..ian

P.s. *****************************************************( wipe wipe, closing door quietly, and leaving)




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Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on March 20, 2010, 08:27:39 AM

How about if we all take a break from this thread today and enjoy the Sabbath for what it is meant to be?

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on March 20, 2010, 06:01:38 PM

I hope everyone enjoyed a peaceful Sabbath!

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 20, 2010, 08:12:40 PM
Junebug,

Your "teacher" status was clarified and I frankly owe you an apology. One cannot take back the written word or even the spoken word, but I wish to clarify that  my "disdain" commentary was indeed out of line and unacceptable statements and should be stricken from the record, if it were possible. But, when one understands the fine art of trial law, one also understands that once said, it is heard, and while it can be struck from the record by opposition objection, it cannot be struck from the human mind. Frequently, even the objection will simply serve to bring even greater emphasis to the statement and is often better to leave it alone and attack it's foundational premise instead.

Therefore, let it be clear that this a formal and public retraction of of my "disdain" and I ask your apology for the comments in relation to the same. Sometimes "free speech" can be abused and that was done here and by me. My sincerest apology, Junebug.

Apologetically Yours,

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: GRAT on March 20, 2010, 08:23:35 PM
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school.   Does anyone know if that is a fact?  

In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer?  He put away his wife and married another.  The another he married had been put away.

First Grat, you would need to know what if anything was the problem between Brandy and Danny. It is obvious from your post here that you are clueless or you would not have written what you did. You really should imo learn to ask questions and get the facts before judging another, and if you don't have them, learn to keep your mouth shut. And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.

Ian - Why would I need to know the problems between Brandy and Danny when I NEVER said anything about their divorce.  You are reading much into what I said that simply was not there.  You need to slow down and take a deep breath sometimes and read only what was written.  DS Put Away His Wife (Linda) and married a divorced woman (Brandy).  So where did I judge anyone?  Then in another post you accuse me of "lies and false accusations".  Is it a lie that TS was living in Marion Ky and working in a school?  Was it a lie that DS divorced LS and married Brandy a divorcee?  Maybe you should be the one to learn to "keep your mouth shut" when you don't know what you are talking about. 
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 20, 2010, 08:31:12 PM
Bob, I know Lee also, and I know what she meant with her question ( not statement of her belief) to you, and I know she was asking about the age of consent, ...

By her question Lee very clearly indicated that she thought a minor "consenting" could make a difference. No Bible-believing Adventist that I know of would think that a minor "consenting" would make a difference.

Lee has had more than two years, I think, to set the record straight that she did not mean that. She repeatedly refused to do so on BlackSDA, and she has refused to do so anywhere else as far as I am aware of. Correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 20, 2010, 09:29:40 PM
Are you either going to tell us what he claimed or give us the link to the video, or are you just playing games here?

Ok, Ian. Since you asked so nicely, here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/yffwlbc
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: sonshineonme on March 20, 2010, 09:38:24 PM
Are you either going to tell us what he claimed or give us the link to the video, or are you just playing games here?

Ok, Ian. Since you asked so nicely, here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/yffwlbc


Do you think Dryden will share some information at some point about going/not going to the authorities back then? Maybe in the court room?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 21, 2010, 01:47:36 AM
Do you think Dryden will share some information at some point about going/not going to the authorities back then? Maybe in the court room?
I hope he is forced to answer that at some point. The reporter in the video actually asked that at my suggestion. It really infuriates me that he was such a coward after so proudly stating in that letter that he had information on 6 boys who had been molested. Dryden is the type that just wants to make sure that everything goes through him so he can know what's going on. As recently as 2 days ago he was STILL calling at least one of the victims giving suggestions about what to do. The man disgusts me.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 21, 2010, 05:56:41 AM
As far as commenting on posts, the only thing you have to go by is words, suggestions, intents and sometimes that is even hidden to draw out comments from unknown parties. It is maybe a chance you can read between the lines to understand what a person is trying to get across and not always clear. So then you start prodding  and suggesting more depth to get answers to the ripple of peoples nerves and their characters then show out.

 I have a bad habit of maybe reading something just to see who the author really is and about them instead of their content. In order for me to believe EGW I had to read how she wrote whether she was inspired or not. There was no doubt as is was in the same form as I received from reading the Bible. Hers was just in smaller detail but the same "Inspiration effect". She never gave you all the answers until you read all. You can read the Bible and have many questions as you go but soon the Golden Thread all connects.

Do not know who anyone on here is except 4 of one that does not seem to be on here anymore and I miss. Junebug I do not know.. neither Ian except she suggests on posts that she is very close to the "clan" possibly a paralegal or spends her time looking at law and either she or I are off on understanding of how the courts work and their extreme concoctions. I have also watched maybe not so much all content but how Bob and Gailon have had knowledge of the law to handle what surpasses the lawyer's, and courts workings of corruptions or should I say maneuvers to save the Plaintiffs hand that feeds them. It is with no doubt. They do not miss a word or intent. The other side would not have to go through so much if they did not lie so much.  These men know how to keep the hammer on by using their facts of record. It takes brilliance to do that as facts of complications is pretty hard to do if it is not your own.

But I don't see how it makes a difference on who you are by what you post. You either stand without a bias mind to what is presented in facts, view and actions or.....you sympathize with wrong calamities when your strong christian sympathy rolls out for the human calamity instead of stopping the deed. SDA's have the strongest feelings in this manner. We hate to see loss of souls no matter what side they are on and I also feel the same. But...we are also instructed to deal with it head on and there are at some guess.... several on here that do that.  You can only react to what you read and that may be a hang up for getting into posts. I am sure we all love each other in the end. and yea, Ian I rattled on several things here.. and yes, Junebug is a loving person and appreciated her comment to me but there is a line to draw to stop deeds that hurt another by another.  Jesus has to do it too ..as much as he hates it but through Love He intervenes with the devils folly and is our example.

Again, if all was pure as presented  in beginning 3abn would not be the scene in public view for outsiders like me that contributed to want truth. I have never spent my time doing this until 3abn saga. and I conclude that many SDA do not have this knowledge what goes here and therefore DS has the upperhand on the Beg-a-thons and still survives on pew money. It needs to change hands completely. It could all be so easy, all have come short and all can recover in Heaven. (IF)

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 21, 2010, 08:35:53 AM
Quote from: GRAT
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school.   Does anyone know if that is a fact?  

In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer?  He put away his wife and married another.  The another he married had been put away.

First Grat, you would need to know what if anything was the problem between Brandy and Danny. It is obvious from your post here that you are clueless or you would not have written what you did. You really should imo learn to ask questions and get the facts before judging another, and if you don't have them, learn to keep your mouth shut. And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.

Ian - Why would I need to know the problems between Brandy and Danny when I NEVER said anything about their divorce.  You are reading much into what I said that simply was not there.  You need to slow down and take a deep breath sometimes and read only what was written.  DS Put Away His Wife (Linda) and married a divorced woman (Brandy).  So where did I judge anyone?  Then in another post you accuse me of "lies and false accusations".  Is it a lie that TS was living in Marion Ky and working in a school?  Was it a lie that DS divorced LS and married Brandy a divorcee?  Maybe you should be the one to learn to "keep your mouth shut" when you don't know what you are talking about.  


I am sorry if I misread or misunderstood that part, Grat. Much has been assumed and presumed about Brandy and Danny without bothering to get any facts and I didn't read your post well enough to recognize you weren't actually doing that, thus my kneejerk reply. To clarify, my focus and reply was actually more directed toward your question/accusation/judgment that DS was a presumed adulterer, and maybe even a double adulterer. I didn't and still don't believe that is justified or even close to proven. Nor do I believe we are in possession of all the facts about Brandi's earlier marriages and divorces, or  how her alleged conversion and baptism may have affected that. That is probably a discussion for another time and thread tho --

I don't know where Tommy was working since leaving 3abn, or even if he has been working. I do know he is past retirement age.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 21, 2010, 09:05:32 AM
Do you think Dryden will share some information at some point about going/not going to the authorities back then? Maybe in the court room?
I hope he is forced to answer that at some point. The reporter in the video actually asked that at my suggestion. It really infuriates me that he was such a coward after so proudly stating in that letter that he had information on 6 boys who had been molested. Dryden is the type that just wants to make sure that everything goes through him so he can know what's going on. As recently as 2 days ago he was STILL calling at least one of the victims giving suggestions about what to do. The man disgusts me.


Thanks for posting the link, Duane. I long ago asked why, if he really had info, did he not give it to the authorities- as even apart from the laws requiring clergy to do so which some state have, I thought he would be bound to do so ethically and morally if he was telling the truth and not just out to get TS. It caused me then and still does to discount his claims and question his motivation.

[To clarify, Virginia state law does not mandate it, but Illinois law where Dryden previously Pastor-ed, and claimed to have information about allegations does, as does Bob Pickle's home state. Being that it has been claimed Pickle is a Pastor, I long ago asked him the same question, and don't recall him answering...]

One thing I have always agreed with you on Duane, is in your opinion of Dryden. He ran interference when I tried to contact his Church board with my inquiries also btw. He wanted me to go through the third degree with him before he would give me any names or contact info for them or pass the message on. When I asked what more was needed other than my name, contact info and reason for trying to get in touch with them, he never answered, and I had to find another way outside of the churches contact addresses and numbers to do so.

 So how did you happen to be talking to the reporter mentioned, Duane?

I am sure that is an interesting part of this story which more than myself is wondering about.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 21, 2010, 09:20:52 AM
Bob, I know Lee also, and I know what she meant with her question ( not statement of her belief) to you, and I know she was asking about the age of consent, ...

By her question Lee very clearly indicated that she thought a minor "consenting" could make a difference. No Bible-believing Adventist that I know of would think that a minor "consenting" would make a difference.

Lee has had more than two years, I think, to set the record straight that she did not mean that. She repeatedly refused to do so on BlackSDA, and she has refused to do so anywhere else as far as I am aware of. Correct me if I am wrong.

Bob, I have no idea what was ever said or not said about it in the last few years, nor do I feel the need to go research that. That isn't the point, You asked me, so I answered and corrected your misunderstanding as I long ago was talking to her both before and after the post you refer to and I know what was meant.

This is just as I said, you ask, but don't listen to the answer and just continue claiming and believing what you choose based on your own opinion anyway. Your choice, but it is both ridiculous and not right imo.

Now I really am moving on, and am getting off this rabbit trail. You can join me, or not..
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 21, 2010, 10:16:24 AM

Do not know who anyone on here is except 4 ...neither Ian except she suggests on posts that she is very close to the "clan" possibly a paralegal or spends her time looking at law and either she or I are off on understanding of how the courts work and their extreme concoctions.


Tinka,  I am going to try here one more time.  Again, I am not a lawyer nor do I have anything to do with the legal proffession, and to further clarify I have never tried to suggest or imply I am close to "the clan" in my posts here, nor would I.  Please put that out of you head.

Yes, you and I are off on our understanding as you say. You can disagree with me, and my views, I don't care about that, that never bothers me, but please try and understand.

All I have tried to do throughout this is get both sides of the issues and the facts when and where that was possible, , and supply the other side here to balance out what is being said here for those who read and lurk here. Thus I post the legal documents from the court case (which is available online on a government site to anyone,  if you register there and pay for them.) I do that to balance out the side and views as posted here by Bob Pickle, so that people can consider and have both sides and make intelligent and informed choices and judgments.  I don't feel the need to give Pickle's side, as he and his crew already do that both here and on his websites.  Yes in doing that I have formed my own opinions and judgments along the way and sometimes post about that, but I can do that as can you and everyone else. It's allowed. :)

See I think the bible is very true when it says:

"The first one to plead his cause seems right, Until his neighbor comes and examines him."

I take very very seriously the principle that we are to prove all things, and only hold fast that which is good, that is why that bible verse is included with every post I make.

that to me means:
"enquire, and make search, and ask diligently" - not just one side, as often happens here,  but both sides- without bias and without being partial or preferring one over another.

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   One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him [that which is] wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy [is], shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, [if] the witness [be] a false witness, [and] hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.


I believe that also, Tinka, and I don't believe that can be done with anonymous sources and accusers. I believe  God's law reflects his character of love, which is both merciful and just. So I don't care how many jump up here and claim well we have 2 or 3 witness all saying this same accusation against DS or 3ABN is true, so that according to the bible proves it!

It doesn't.

MY belief is that those saying that lack understanding. Everyone and all testimony and evidence has to be examined carefully including the credibility of each witness, their motivation and their actually testimony and only if all check out do they count as a true witness.

See many jumped up and accused Jesus too, but although they may have agreed in their claims against him, none of their testimony about those accusations were in agreement and so they didn't have the two or three needed to convict him.

I think those same principles hold true today and we are all accountable, and I am sorry but You came into this forum said "I have been reading here 11 hours" and announced your opinions and judgments based on one side, Tinka. You have used the opinions you formed then to judge anyone who disagrees with that, or what is posted here. And imo you are very wrong in some of those things. I know because you keep doing it to me, and in reply to what I try and post to you.  It makes me tired. I want to answer your questions but I don't feel that you really want the answers I give as your replies don't demonstrate that to me.

So I don't know why I should waste my time trying, when I can spend that same time talking to another who does have an open mind and ears to hear, and at least gives me the respect of weighing what I am saying even if they do disagree with me, instead of just attacking me personally, capiche?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 21, 2010, 10:39:06 AM
Bob, I know Lee also, and I know what she meant with her question ( not statement of her belief) to you, and I know she was asking about the age of consent, ...

By her question Lee very clearly indicated that she thought a minor "consenting" could make a difference. No Bible-believing Adventist that I know of would think that a minor "consenting" would make a difference.

Lee has had more than two years, I think, to set the record straight that she did not mean that. She repeatedly refused to do so on BlackSDA, and she has refused to do so anywhere else as far as I am aware of. Correct me if I am wrong.

Bob, I have no idea what was ever said or not said about it in the last few years, nor do I feel the need to go research that. That isn't the point, You asked me, so I answered and corrected your misunderstanding as I long ago was talking to her both before and after the post you refer to and I know what was meant.

This is just as I said, you ask, but don't listen to the answer and just continue claiming and believing what you choose based on your own opinion anyway. Your choice, but it is both ridiculous and not right imo.

Then until Lee has the courtesy and conviction to backtrack on her morally reprehensible statement, or somehow explain how the obvious meaning of her words wasn't really what she meant, we'll have to assume that she still believes that if a minor was consenting, that somehow makes a difference.

I would suggest that you inquire of Lee to see if she still staunchly defends Tommy and Danny Shelton. If she does, that in itself would suggest that her moral compass has gone awry.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 21, 2010, 10:41:44 AM
Quote from: ian
Bob, I have no idea what was ever said or not said about it in the last few years, nor do I feel the need to go research that. That isn't the point, You asked me, so I answered and corrected your misunderstanding as I long ago was talking to her both before and after the post you refer to and I know what was meant.

This is just as I said, you ask, but don't listen to the answer and just continue claiming and believing what you choose based on your own opinion anyway. Your choice, but it is both ridiculous and not right imo.

Now I really am moving on, and am getting off this rabbit trail. You can join me, or not..

Then until Lee has the courtesy and conviction to backtrack on her morally reprehensible statement, or somehow explain how the obvious meaning of her words wasn't really what she meant, we'll have to assume that she still believes that if a minor was consenting, that somehow makes a difference.


I would suggest that you inquire of Lee to see if she still staunchly defends Tommy and Danny Shelton. If she does, that in itself would suggest that her moral compass has gone awry.

says Pope Pickle...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Little Grasshopper on March 21, 2010, 11:20:45 AM
The words "charged" and "accused" in the newspapers should tell everyone that TS has not been pronounced "guilty" by the Courts.  So better reserve your pronounced judgments as the Court hasn't made their decision yet. So until they do, TS is innocent of all charges. 

That's true.  I remember you saying this about Linda Shelton.  You were imploring us that Linda Shelton was innocent of all charges unless those charges were proven. 

But we just didn't listen to your wise advice.  Do I remember it correctly?

Thank goodness, we're all listening now!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 21, 2010, 12:38:27 PM
So Ian, maybe your a reporter if that gives you the right to call anyone for info...? I happen to believe Duane C. and all the links that are attached. So that is a fact. The divorces, is a fact. Melody is a fact, Brandy is a fact , lifestyle is a fact and facts cause consequences only when linked to public funds and lie to what its for. Beating around the bush claiming the need of more witnesses when one has went through the ordeal sounds a little double talk in who you might believe.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 21, 2010, 12:53:18 PM
So how did you happen to be talking to the reporter mentioned, Duane?

I am sure that is an interesting part of this story which more than myself is wondering about.


She called some relatives of mine and asked that I call her, which I did.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 21, 2010, 02:18:27 PM
 :ROFL:  Bob   :ROFL:

Ian is calling you the pope!  Is there more confusions here or what? :ROFL:  Unbeliveable and that is exactely what I'm talking about. off the wall stuff.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 21, 2010, 04:51:39 PM
So how did you happen to be talking to the reporter mentioned, Duane?

I am sure that is an interesting part of this story which more than myself is wondering about.


She called some relatives of mine and asked that I call her, which I did.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 21, 2010, 05:02:30 PM
“I believe that also, Tinka, and I don't believe that can be done with anonymous sources and accusers. I believe God's law reflects his character of love, which is both merciful and just. So I don't care how many jump up here and claim well we have 2 or 3 witness all saying this same accusation against DS or 3ABN is true, so that according to the bible proves it!

It doesn't.

MY belief is that those saying that lack understanding. Everyone and all testimony and evidence has to be examined carefully including the credibility of each witness, their motivation and their actually testimony and only if all check out do they count as a true witness.
See many jumped up and accused Jesus too, but although they may have agreed in their claims against him, none of their testimony about those accusations were in agreement and so they didn't have the two or three needed to convict him.

I think those same principles hold true today and we are all accountable, and I am sorry but You came into this forum said "I have been reading here 11 hours" and announced your opinions and judgments based on one side, Tinka. You have used the opinions you formed then to judge anyone who disagrees with that, or what is posted here. And imo you are very wrong in some of those things. I know because you keep doing it to me, and in reply to what I try and post to you.  It makes me tired. I want to answer your questions but I don't feel that you really want the answers I give as your replies don't demonstrate that to me.

So I don't know why I should waste my time trying, when I can spend that same time talking to another who does have an open mind and ears to hear, and at least gives me the respect of weighing what I am saying even if they do disagree with me, instead of just attacking me personally, capiche?”  IAN


I will point out that the Biblical standard is in fact found in Matthew 18 where the standard for a witness is two, you and one other. It is also established in Levitical law in the Old Testament.
But, now I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.

Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.

As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 21, 2010, 05:40:20 PM

I will point out that the Biblical standard is in fact found in Matthew 18 where the standard for a witness is two, you and one other. It is also established in Levitical law in the Old Testament.
But, now I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.

Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.

As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?



Thanks, and No, I am sorry I can't explain at the moment, nor do I make any assumptions about lying or not lying. There is not really enough here to determine all imo as I haven't seen the documents you refer to I don't think, but even if I had or do, I think more information is still needed.

This is kinda reminding me of the house issue and how that was reported and the deeds and warrantes etc that involved., and although Pickle never agreed with me, I understood all that when I finally saw all.

Does any of this include a trust also, do you know?

..ian
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 21, 2010, 05:53:14 PM
There is no known trust.. yet...there are filed 990's and there is a Post Nuptial Agreement executed under the direction of Tim Neubauer, counsel for Danny in the Shelton vs Shelton case until appointed an Illinois Judge. There is clearly conflicting information and is now part of a new divorce proceeding. It has clear relevance to the settlement between the parties. It obviously may have relevence in the Shelton vs Shelton pending case as well. And it will certainly go to the issue of credibility.

I can certainly understand how you would be befuddled...I am as well. Why would one, knowing he had a second divorce almost inevitable, so inevitable it required a post nuptial agreement, make even more statements under his seal that clearly conflict with the official record??? And with the first divorce still open???? Profound indeed!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 21, 2010, 06:01:23 PM
There is no known trust.. yet...there are filed 990's and there is a Post Nuptial Agreement executed under the direction of Tim Neubauer, counsel for Danny in the Shelton vs Shelton case until appointed an Illinois Judge. There is clearly conflicting information and is now part of a new divorce proceeding. It has clear relevance to the settlement between the parties. It obviously may have relevence in the Shelton vs Shelton pending case as well. And it will certainly go to the issue of credibility.

I can certainly understand how you would be befuddled...I am as well. Why would one, knowing he had a second divorce almost inevitable, so inevitable it required a post nuptial agreement, make even more statements under his seal that clearly conflict with the official record??? And with the first divorce still open???? Profound indeed!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

Well right or wrong, I am sure it can be sorted out in time and with more info. In the meantime would you mind forwarding me the stuff you do have,(if you have it and can) so I can actually look at it? I will send you my address in a pm.

Thanks..
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 21, 2010, 06:24:58 PM
Riddle
Two documents seem to prove one another and the other seems to be hidden! Without knowing anything else and just guessing at first glance, please feel free to address me right or wrong.  What I really see is a donation with great intentions of evangelism but turned out for individual assets??? Protected against future legal "adjustments"  ;)  I might be clear off on this.

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 21, 2010, 06:44:30 PM
Gailon, the 990 filed with the IRS has a Schedule J, but Part III is blank.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 21, 2010, 09:18:33 PM
Gailon, the 990 filed with the IRS has a Schedule J, but Part III is blank.

And why don't you explain how this relates to non-compete agreements???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Murcielago on March 21, 2010, 10:25:43 PM
A discussion site in West Frankfort, IL

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on March 21, 2010, 10:51:42 PM
A discussion site in West Frankfort, IL

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G)

It doesn't sound like 3ABN is very well thought of in some quarters.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on March 22, 2010, 03:48:32 AM
I notice a reader in Indiana thinks these are false alarms since only two people have complained. I wonder how many victims are needed before a criminal can be convicted?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 22, 2010, 03:52:48 AM
A discussion site in West Frankfort, IL

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G)

It doesn't sound like 3ABN is very well thought of in some quarters.

 Because an anonymous person gave a link to Mr Pickle's website and another anonymous person took a potshot at the Shelton family? There are also many quarters where 3abn and the Sheltons are very well thought of. I am sure George can confirm that.

There's also a recent article on topix about a WF man arrested for allegations of child pornography. They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 22, 2010, 03:56:07 AM
I notice a reader in Indiana thinks these are false alarms since only two people have complained. I wonder how many victims are needed before a criminal can be convicted?

Only one alleged victim and a fair trial are needed to either convict or vindicate a man, Mr Johann.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 22, 2010, 04:14:33 AM
I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.

Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.

As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter[/font]

There are not enough clues to solve this riddle. There is no way to make any determination about the legal status of most of the line items on a 990. There are however a variety of other ways to report income, land transfers, sales of goods and property, that are legally done using forms that are not required to be made public. Pickle and Joy do not have access to those things and are not likely to gain access.

Any presumption of lying or foul play based on only the bits claimed to be in evidence by Mr Joy is therefore unjustified, unwarranted, and premature, ie; mere surmising and evil surmising at that.


3d
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 22, 2010, 05:01:07 AM
Because an anonymous person gave a link to Mr Pickle's website and another anonymous person took a potshot at the Shelton family? There are also many quarters where 3abn and the Sheltons are very well thought of. I am sure George can confirm that.

There's also a recent article on topix about a WF man arrested for allegations of child pornography. They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...
But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 22, 2010, 05:14:34 AM
Because an anonymous person gave a link to Mr Pickle's website and another anonymous person took a potshot at the Shelton family? There are also many quarters where 3abn and the Sheltons are very well thought of. I am sure George can confirm that.

There's also a recent article on topix about a WF man arrested for allegations of child pornography. They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...
But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.

Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.

So now we can pray for all and allow justice to take it's course.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 22, 2010, 05:21:56 AM
I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.

Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.

As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter[/font]

There are not enough clues to solve this riddle. There is no way to make any determination about the legal status of most of the line items on a 990. There are however a variety of other ways to report income, land transfers, sales of goods and property, that are legally done using forms that are not required to be made public. Pickle and Joy do not have access to those things and are not likely to gain access.

Any presumption of lying or foul play based on only the bits claimed to be in evidence by Mr Joy is therefore unjustified, unwarranted, and premature, ie; mere surmising and evil surmising at that.


3d


hmmm...  I haven't received even those referenced bits yet via email in case anybody's wondering.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 22, 2010, 05:25:40 AM
The topix link is just a birds eye view of public sediment that will carry over to a jury less the few protectors that ventured there to view thoses posts. I do agree that there is probably many more worms in that can. Doesn't the "clan" know that once public views more and more it will only get worse? Already they have viewed that the church as protecting this. Whether it be the right church or wrong they are accusing. The black eyes are coming. The "clan" needs to get out while they "can".
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 22, 2010, 05:48:56 AM
Gailon, the 990 filed with the IRS has a Schedule J, but Part III is blank.

And why don't you explain how this relates to non-compete agreements???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

It would appear that 3ABN entered into a non-compete agreement, whereby 3ABN gave Danny 48 acres of land, allegedly in 2008, and over $52,000, allegedly in 2009.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 22, 2010, 06:16:52 AM
They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...

Would you mind explaining to us all how that can happen in Illinois given the statute of limitations?

Now what 3ABN could do is contact each and every parent of each and every kid who appeared on Kid's Time and who attended the schools and camp meetings held on 3ABN's premises. 3ABN could ask each one if anything happened to their kids on 3ABN's premises. Then maybe we could end up with more recent alleged victims, and Tommy could then be tried in Illinois too.

If 3ABN doesn't want to do the contacting, I could do it for them.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 22, 2010, 06:19:14 AM
There are not enough clues to solve this riddle.

Sure there are. Jim Gilley stated under penalty of perjury that $96,000 worth of land was given to Danny Shelton as part of an non-compete agreement, and Danny stated in a April 2008 post-nuptial agreement that he bought that land.

Can't be both ways.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 22, 2010, 06:21:22 AM
But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.

Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.

Could you please explain yourself? Are you trying to say that if the statute of limitations has run out, that it is evil and wrong to protect kids?

And why didn't you, Cindy Ann Conard, report the allegations against Tommy to the authorities, if you really think such was required in this case?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on March 22, 2010, 06:59:26 AM
Quote "There is no way to make any determination about the legal status of most of the line items on a 990."

This is just double talk.

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/charities/search/index.jsp

http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/charities/disclaimer.html

Agree to the provisions

Type in Three Angels Broadcasting

Hit Search

Then financial documents

Choose CO Annual Report 2008. It is a pdf file that will take awhile to load since it is an 18 meg+file but worth it. It will show the 990 for the year 2008 that was filed with the State of Illinois.
Look at schedule J part III. The Schedules are not listed in order so you will have to look past schedules M and L. Part 3 is listed before part II and part I.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 22, 2010, 08:20:24 AM
Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.

So now we can pray for all and allow justice to take it's course.
I agree with you to a point. I've always known this was a personal vendetta issue with Dryden. He's a smooth talker and some who haven't know him for years as I have haven't seen through it yet. But they will.

Also, these charges have been coming for quite some time. I first found out they were going to be filed about 3 months ago, and there had been an ongoing investigation long before that. Sometimes these things just take time.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 22, 2010, 10:41:06 AM
But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.

Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.

Could you please explain yourself? Are you trying to say that if the statute of limitations has run out, that it is evil and wrong to protect kids?

And why didn't you, Cindy Ann Conard, report the allegations against Tommy to the authorities, if you really think such was required in this case?

Don't be stupid!

Because quite simply I knew nothing personally of any allegations of sexual abuse of children by Tommy Shelton, nor any names, and all I could ask for years now was that you prove one single thing! All I could say for years now was well someone needs to make a statement or file a report * IF* anything did happen and your List of *alleged victims* really did exist, while you were off living your dream and hoarding your so called knowledge and playing power and coercion games like you were in charge of the inquisition.


You on the otherhand claimed to know all, and you also claim to be a clergy, and because you claimed knowledge and did not report it, you are far more guilty then any you have accused, and are still accusing. It matters not whether the statute of limitations has run out. Reporting alleged incidents does in fact protect other children. You acted always to attack ds and 3abn, or to justify yourself, and never to protect one child.

And you Bob Pickle will stand before your maker and answer for all that you have done.

 It takes a lot to make me angry, but I am right now very angry with you.

laters..
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on March 22, 2010, 11:03:04 AM
I'm sorry Ian that you are in such distress. You have worked very hard for a cause you believed in. I feel that your anger is misplaced however.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 22, 2010, 12:13:10 PM
Cindy, I have spoken with law enforcement, and I will do so again.

You can claim that you didn't have names if you want to, but your claim is false.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Murcielago on March 22, 2010, 02:05:18 PM
We can disagree, debate, and discuss, but it WILL be done in a civil manner. Time to back up, take a deep breath and settle down.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on March 23, 2010, 09:29:09 AM
Somehow the subject changed so the latest posts have been moved over to a new section, "Property discussions"
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Woodstock on March 23, 2010, 11:09:21 AM
I think that God has allways wanted us to be a matter a fact and if by chance a person has that kind of luggage following him around we allow him to be in a position to cause harm or Deni that it can happen again we are just as guilty!! The facts are in the pudding!! I have always been a fan of woodshed,old pocketknife, staples and a Ohio Bluetip............Get the picture!!!!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on March 24, 2010, 02:22:16 PM
Gailon, since the Bible also says that Christ "came into the world not to comdemn it, but to save..............", I am not sure He appreciates you slapping folks upside the head with His Word.......just a thought.   :dunno:

Junebug, bless your heart.  You are a oving grandma, I just know.  It is pretty hard when our leaders fall.  Can't agree with Danny not committing adultery, there is just too much that says he did.  However, I know you are agracisou, kind, and loving grandma. A true woman of God.

Wha tkind of goodies do you lving make for those grands?  LOL!!  My Grandmother used to make us tea cakes!

Sounds like my post got your feathers ruffled Mr. Joy.  That is too bad because it was sent in good faith. The Lord God of Heaven knows.

But all your blasting of Bible verses will not make DS guilty of adultery, no matter how much you seem to think he has. You can murder a reputation, you can even kill the body, but you will NEVER EVER be able to hurt the soul that knows it is right with the Lord.   


Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 24, 2010, 04:21:44 PM
Ian, am I to understand I'm being accused of changing my story over at your site?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 25, 2010, 03:23:45 AM
I hope this is helpful...

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Re: Tommy...

Postby Synthian » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:11 am UTC

Duane asked me the following on adventtalk.


 
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   Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
    « Reply #97 on: Yesterday at 05:21:44 PM »

    Ian, am I to understand I'm being accused of changing my story over at your site?

    Duane Clem



No, that was not my intention. I may have worded my post badly. If so, I apologize.

When I said:

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    (Why he said anything against Tommy to Pickle when he did is a different story as he started out on BSDA attacking Dryden and Pickle and had actually always defended Tommy up till then.)



I simply meant , it is a different part of the story then the part which I was trying to relate, and a separate issue from the one I was addressing with Odie.

To further clarify. I was explaining to her that 3abn could not have known about you or the letters between yourself and Tommy when Dryden wrote to 3abn in 2003 because the letters were not written until 2005. And I was further attempting to clarify that you never made any statement against Tommy nor made his letter public until you talked to Pickle on BSDA, a week after Tommy retired from 3abn (Dec 31, 2006).

All 3abn would have known about you, if anything, was what others knew, ie; that you had been one of those who had defended Tommy and had to all appearances been his friend all those years.

I was also trying to clarify the following, as the topic was actually about the 2 allegations of child abuse in Virginia, leading to the charges filed against TS there.

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    Now you say : "it is obvious from the letter he [TS] has a problem in this area" What area area you speaking of? It is certainly not obvious to me he had a problem with child molestation from that letter. Clem was nineteen or twenty , yes a young man, but certainly not a child back in 1984 when the alleged wrong relationship occurred.



If I have portrayed anything inaccurately in what I have posted here in this thread, you are more than welcome to set the record straight on either forum, Duane. I would like to be as accurate as is possible.

...ian

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 25, 2010, 05:58:58 AM
Quote
    (Why he said anything against Tommy to Pickle when he did is a different story as he started out on BSDA attacking Dryden and Pickle and had actually always defended Tommy up till then.)

I don't recall Duane posting any "attacks" against me on BSDA.

To further clarify. I was explaining to her that 3abn could not have known about you or the letters between yourself and Tommy when Dryden wrote to 3abn in 2003 because the letters were not written until 2005.

One of the letters Tommy wrote to Duane is dated 1998. But anyway, this would not get Danny and 3ABN off the hook because they've known about these allegations for years. I believe it was the early '90's when Danny is reported to have said that Tommy was not to take a certain young man out to lunch anymore.

And Dryden did invite Walt Thompson to contact 6 alleged victims in 2003, which Walt refused to do.

And I was further attempting to clarify that you never made any statement against Tommy nor made his letter public until you talked to Pickle on BSDA, a week after Tommy retired from 3abn (Dec 31, 2006).

Tommy was still working for 3ABN in 2008 on a contract basis. So perhaps the retirement thing was just a ruse.

Quote
    Now you say : "it is obvious from the letter he [TS] has a problem in this area" What area area you speaking of? It is certainly not obvious to me he had a problem with child molestation from that letter. Clem was nineteen or twenty , yes a young man, but certainly not a child back in 1984 when the alleged wrong relationship occurred.

Are you saying this about the 1998 letter?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 25, 2010, 08:39:49 AM
I hope this is helpful...
What would be helpful is for you to stop trying to psycho-analyze everything I write and referring to an email I sent to Tommy which has never been made public. I don't even have a copy anymore. This thread is about Tommy, not me.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on March 25, 2010, 10:45:35 AM
I am new to this site, and I would like clarification on 3abn(?) I am only concerned about this situation concerning Tommy Shelton, because Dunn Loring Community Church of God was my home church when I was growing up-60's and early 70's. At that time Jennings Byron Wood was the Pastor. I cannot imagine anything like this occurring with his knowledge.  I feel sorry for the young men, both in Illinois and here in Virginia and I hope there have not been any more boys hurt where he has been living since he left Virginia.  I feel saddened that a cover up has been done, but unfortunately I am afraid that it is probably not the only one, in any of our Protestant ??? Churches. Sin does not keep itself to only one church. Thankfully, Jesus Christ died for our Sins,BUT that does NOT mean we have to be STUPID and allow pedophiles around our children. ::)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 25, 2010, 12:16:21 PM
I am new to this site, and I would like clarification on 3abn(?)

Hi mrst53.

Danny and Linda Shelton and perhaps others co-founded 3ABN. Tommy is Danny's brother.

After Danny dumped Linda, accusing her of spiritual adultery, people started asking questions and a lot of not-so-well-known allegations began to surface. After Danny remarried a much younger woman less than two years later, more people began asking questions.

It was in pursuing some of these questions that a friend and I discovered on August 14, 2006, that Pastor Glenn Dryden of Dunn Loring had sent a letter to Walt Thompson in 2003 when he was pastor of the Ezra Church of God in Illinois. That letter informed Walt Thompson, the 3ABN Board chairman, that Tommy had molested six boys.

Dryden got a reply from a 3ABN attorney threatening legal action, "even if the actions did occur." At that point we realized that 3ABN and Danny Shelton had some pretty serious issues, not to mention Tommy.

Danny had the gall to replace Linda, the alleged spiritual adulteress, with Tommy, the alleged pedophile, and allow Tommy to play the piano for Kid's Time. In other words, Danny knew full well the risk of Tommy working around kids, and allowed it anyway. The school principal on 3ABN's campus knew nothing about Tommy, I was told, and neither did the pastor of 3ABN's church.

The blame for a cover up falls on Danny's shoulders. It sounds reasonable to me to consider Pastor Wood to be a duped victim, though of a different sort.

It would have been much better if many of those involved had taken the allegations more seriously. Just because Tommy had never been charged or convicted did not mean that he was innocent and could be trusted around children and youth, and even adults.

Tommy was in trouble in Illinois by 1985, and was let go from 3ABN around 1991. He became pastor at Dunn Loring about 1995, and was back at 3ABN about 2001.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on March 25, 2010, 01:17:49 PM
Danny had the gall to replace Linda, the alleged spiritual adulteress, with Tommy, the alleged pedophile, and allow Tommy to play the piano for Kid's Time.

It seemed to me that he continued to accompany for Kid's Time, including playing with young boys who were soloing, for some time.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on March 25, 2010, 02:58:16 PM
HI,
So am I to understand that the statute of limitations has run out in Illinois? Has Tommy been in contact with children since leaving Dunn Loring? If so, have there been any problems? Surely, unless he got help, which apparently,he didn't, he wouldn't stop on his own. Has anyone tried to find children there that have been molested?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 25, 2010, 03:44:22 PM
There are quite a few alleged victims from Illinois. I don't know any from Illinois that are younger than 38. I'm told there are some crimes in Illinois for which a 20-years-after-turned-18-years-of-age statute of limitations would apply to.

According to http://law.jrank.org/pages/11805/Criminal-Statutes-Limitation.html (http://law.jrank.org/pages/11805/Criminal-Statutes-Limitation.html), the criminal statute of limitations in Ohio can run 20 years, and in Kentucky, it looks like there is no statute of limitations.

It's not easy for these guys to come forward and file a complaint and press charges.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on March 25, 2010, 03:57:04 PM
It's not easy for these guys to come forward and file a complaint and press charges.

Has there been any indication that some of them might have thought of doing it?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on March 25, 2010, 04:20:51 PM

Welcome, mrst53!  I am glad you are here, and look forward to hearing more from you!


I am new to this site, and I would like clarification on 3abn(?) I am only concerned about this situation concerning Tommy Shelton, because Dunn Loring Community Church of God was my home church when I was growing up-60's and early 70's. At that time Jennings Byron Wood was the Pastor. I cannot imagine anything like this occurring with his knowledge.  I feel sorry for the young men, both in Illinois and here in Virginia and I hope there have not been any more boys hurt where he has been living since he left Virginia.  I feel saddened that a cover up has been done, but unfortunately I am afraid that it is probably not the only one, in any of our Protestant ??? Churches. Sin does not keep itself to only one church. Thankfully, Jesus Christ died for our Sins,BUT that does NOT mean we have to be STUPID and allow pedophiles around our children. ::)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 25, 2010, 06:52:16 PM
It's not easy for these guys to come forward and file a complaint and press charges.

Has there been any indication that some of them might have thought of doing it?

Oh, I'm sure a lot of them have thought about it many times over the years.

Now that Tommy has been arrested and may do time, the harassment from the Tommy and Danny defenders may not be as loud as before, and may be less inhibiting.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 26, 2010, 05:42:21 AM
It's not easy for these guys to come forward and file a complaint and press charges.

Has there been any indication that some of them might have thought of doing it?

Oh, I'm sure a lot of them have thought about it many times over the years.

Now that Tommy has been arrested and may do time, the harassment from the Tommy and Danny defenders may not be as loud as before, and may be less inhibiting.

You are basing that on your claim that it has always been about covering up for Tommy Shelton, but you were wrong, and are still wrong Bob... As long as you keep misrepresenting things and perpetrating lies, and getting shills to provide you a forum for such, I am going to speak up and point those things out whether that is here on this forum or elsewhere.

Let's start with your repeated misrepresentation and falsehood to the newest member here, and implication that 3abn threatened the Pastor of the Church of God in Virginia in response to his letter to them about TS.

That is false.

Quote from: Bob
It was in pursuing some of these questions that a friend and I discovered on August 14, 2006, that Pastor Glenn Dryden of Dunn Loring had sent a letter to Walt Thompson in 2003 when he was pastor of the Ezra Church of God in Illinois. That letter informed Walt Thompson, the 3ABN Board chairman, that Tommy had molested six boys. Dryden got a reply from a 3ABN attorney threatening legal action, "even if the actions did occur." At that point we realized that 3ABN and Danny Shelton had some pretty serious issues, not to mention Tommy.

It was pointed out to you and others here in this very thread, with the actual quotes: http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23124.html#msg23124

That 3abn's reply to Dryden was to merely thank him for fulfilling his obligation to them, and that the letter from the Attorney ( dated a month later) stated he was representing Tommy Shelton and was concerning actions Dryden had taken against him (Tommy) which were slanderous and libelous and calculated to deprive him of his right to earn a living.

Stop bearing false witness and I will stop rebutting what you say, Bob, as it will not be necessary.



Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 26, 2010, 08:17:00 AM
Wasn't Tommy Shelton on 3ABN accompanying young boys on music programs during that time period?



Danny had the gall to replace Linda, the alleged spiritual adulteress, with Tommy, the alleged pedophile, and allow Tommy to play the piano for Kid's Time.

It seemed to me that he continued to accompany for Kid's Time, including playing with young boys who were soloing, for some time.

Well you were watching re-runs then. Darrell Mundall's kids were on those shows just look how young they were at the time those shows were filmed as compared to now. Kid's time hasn't even had a set to do new shows for the last 5 years. Tomorrow will be the first new show in that long.

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EXCITING NEWS!! This Sabbath, March 27 NEW Kids Time Praise programs will begin to air! There will be a NEW program that airs EVERY Sabbath for the next 51 weeks! It has been almost 5 years since we have had any new Praise programs so this is a big "Praise the Lord! Please spread the word! Air Times are: 7am and 5 pm CST (Central Standard Time)
-- Posted by Brenda Walsh on Kids Time on 3ABN -March 23 2010, at 3:33pm


Your bias is showing. Yes he accompanied young boys, AND  young girls and groups of kids, and families and  people from all over who came to tape shows or appear live at 3abn events, when a piano player was needed. Always in front of many parents, and many other kids and the 3ABN employees and  3ABN production crew, or as in the case of kid's time amidst even animals running around. He also played the piano as part of the Shelton trio, and played duets with 3abn's organist on the podiums at 3abn live events. He is a gifted piano player, Artiste. but he did so on stage and on the 3abn sets, and was not off playing with little boys alone at 3ABN,  nor was any other employee!

It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.

The only allegations which have ever been mentioned in Illinois that I know of are the ones from the Church of God in the early to mid  80's. One was reported and the police investigated it --it involved nothing physical whatsoever-- and they did not file anything as they claimed they had nothing to proceed with. Dryden spoke of 3 in Illinois only - all at the Church of God there. The DA allegedly knows about them and has for quite some time and reportedly said there was nothing to proceed with or act on.

If there are others as Pickle implies by saying "quite a few" then apparently they are some kind of a secret. In any case, for all his claimed talk with the alleged victims he doesn't appear to me to even be able to answer simple questions in regards to them or even know how many "quite a few" are.


Bob:
There are quite a few alleged victims from Illinois.

It's not easy for these guys to come forward and file a complaint and press charges.

Artiste:
Has there been any indication that some of them might have thought of doing it?


Bob:
Oh, I'm sure a lot of them have thought about it many times over the years.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 26, 2010, 08:37:44 AM
It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.

There are allegations of sexual misconduct against 3ABN employee(s), and allegations of sexual misconduct on the premises of 3ABN.

The only allegations which have ever been mentioned in Illinois that I know of are the ones from the Church of God in the early to mid  80's. One was reported and the police investigated it --it involved nothing physical whatsoever--


How would you know? How many of the alleged victims have you interviewed?

and they did not file anything as they claimed they had nothing to proceed with. Dryden spoke of 3 in Illinois only - all at the Church of God there.

His 2003 letter referred to 6, not 3

The DA allegedly knows about them and has for quite some time and reportedly said there was nothing to proceed with or act on.

And did you speak with the DA? Or did you rely upon the untrustworthy assertions of Walt or Danny?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 26, 2010, 08:38:23 AM
Let's start with your repeated misrepresentation and falsehood to the newest member here, and implication that 3abn threatened the Pastor of the Church of God in Virginia in response to his letter to them about TS.

I never said that 3ABN threatened Dryden. I said that a 3ABN attorney threatened Dryden. And that's precisely how Dryden described it to me: Dryden said he got a reply from a 3ABN attorney writing on behalf of Tommy.

It's a fact that Riva has represented 3ABN in the property tax case and other matters.

Now the question is, who paid the bill for Riva to write that letter? If I had to guess, I'd say 3ABN paid for it, not Tommy.

That 3abn's reply to Dryden was to merely thank him for fulfilling his obligation to them, and that the letter from the Attorney ( dated a month later) stated he was representing Tommy Shelton and was concerning actions Dryden had taken against him (Tommy) which were slanderous and libelous and calculated to deprive him of his right to earn a living.

Mike Riva was clearly out of line in trying to protect an alleged child molester's employment at a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. In all probability, his mother would be ashamed.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 26, 2010, 09:57:34 AM
Let's start with your repeated misrepresentation and falsehood to the newest member here, and implication that 3abn threatened the Pastor of the Church of God in Virginia in response to his letter to them about TS.

I never said that 3ABN threatened Dryden.

Good! Then let the record show that When 3ABN received the letter from Glenn Dryden they did not in fact threaten him. They actually did the opposite. 3ABN thanked him for fulfilling his obligation to them. In addition let the record here show that when you reported the following on your save-3abn web site:

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"The following letter was sent by Pastor Glenn Dryden to 3ABN board chairman Dr. Walter Thompson in May 2003. The reply he received was a threatening letter from 3ABN attorney Mike Riva."
http://www.save-3abn.com/glenn-dryden-to-walt-thompson-may-2003.htm

You never said, meant or intended to give the impression or to imply that the letter from the Attorney was the reply from 3ABN to Glenn Dryden, right Bob???

But, sadly that is exactly what your words do appear to suggest and imply. If you are sincere here? then you need to go edit them quickly! scoot along and do so, please!


I said that a 3ABN attorney threatened Dryden. And that's precisely how Dryden described it to me: Dryden said he got a reply from a 3ABN attorney writing on behalf of Tommy.

It's a fact that Riva has represented 3ABN in the property tax case and other matters.

It is a fact he was not representing 3ABN when he wrote to the Church of God Pastor in 2003. It is a fact he represents others also and in this instance he was representing Tommy Shelton as he said.

Further it does not appear you are telling the truth here, for even Drden said as I just did.

Here is what Dryden wrote to you in Dec 2006

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-------- Original Message --------
From:     Glenn Dryden
To:     Bob
Subject:     Re: blacksda.com POSTING
Date:     Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:25:25 -0500

Dear Bob,

I am sure we share similar emotions regarding this matter. Perhaps an argument may be made for the criticism you have received regarding the e-mail postings, but I should tell you that they have served to make me comfortable communicating with both you and Mr. Joy and if they serve to put pressure on Danny and Tommy, you may carry the criticism as a badge of commendation.

You should know that I have FAXed to Mr. Joy a copy of Mr. Riva's letter to me dated June 13, 2003, along with excerpts from my reply to Mr. Riva.
....

You may make public my 2003 letter to Dr. Thompson and action items (which were compiled by the congregation of the Ezra Church of God) and may note that the action items were also sent to Mike Riva, Tommy's attorney, with my reply to his letter of June 13, 2003. You may note that I gave you my permission to do so.

...

Pastor Glenn Dryden



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Now the question is, who paid the bill for Riva to write that letter? If I had to guess, I'd say 3ABN paid for it, not Tommy.

Then you would be wrong. You shouldn't surmise, Bob. Especially without any valid reason to




That 3abn's reply to Dryden was to merely thank him for fulfilling his obligation to them, and that the letter from the Attorney ( dated a month later) stated he was representing Tommy Shelton and was concerning actions Dryden had taken against him (Tommy) which were slanderous and libelous and calculated to deprive him of his right to earn a living.

...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 26, 2010, 11:16:46 AM
It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.

There are allegations of sexual misconduct against 3ABN employee(s), and allegations of sexual misconduct on the premises of 3ABN.

Do not play your word games with me and cause confusion here, Mr Pickle. We are not talking about your unproven infidelity claims against anyone at 3abn who catches your focus. This topic is about Tommy Shelton and allegations of child molestation. I repeat:

"It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn."



The only allegations which have ever been mentioned in Illinois that I know of are the ones from the Church of God in the early to mid  80's. One was reported and the police investigated it --it involved nothing physical whatsoever--


How would you know? How many of the alleged victims have you interviewed?

I know of no child molestation victims to interview Mr Pickle. Even the two in Virginia who made the allegations leading to TS' arrest are not revealed by name so I have interviewed none. I do know you yourself posted about William B. Dunning, and I am going by what is documented about that and speaking of that. If you did your homework there you would not need to ask me for proof of what the police and DA say. You would already know.

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Dryden spoke of 3 in Illinois only - all at the Church of God there.
His 2003 letter referred to 6, not 3

That is not my understanding, as three were alleged to be in Virginia and one of them a minor by Dryden himself,but I will leave you to prove that. IF you can.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 26, 2010, 11:17:01 AM
Good! Then let the record show that When 3ABN received the letter from Glenn Dryden they did not in fact threaten him.

The record does not show that. Further discovery would be required before drawing that conclusion.

You never said, meant or intended to give the impression or to imply that the letter from the Attorney was the reply from 3ABN to Glenn Dryden, right Bob???

I do not recall being aware in 2007 of any other reply that Glenn Dryden received anything other than that letter. That being the case, I would think that in 2007 I thought that 3ABN had something to do with that reply.

It is a fact he was not representing 3ABN when he wrote to the Church of God Pastor in 2003.

I do not know that that was the case.

It is a fact he represents others also and in this instance he was representing Tommy Shelton as he said.

If 3ABN was opposed to covering up the child molestation allegations, and Tommy was the only one who wanted that done, then Mike Riva had a conflict of interest in covering up the child molestation allegations at Tommy's behest, contrary to the wishes of 3ABN, his larger client.

But it is a matter of record that Danny was in favor of covering up the child molestation allegations, and that he probably used 3ABN's telephones to intimidate Dryden, and that the very point he raised in his intimidating messages was the very one raised in Riva's letter.

Danny's messages also make it clear that Danny contacted an attorney, and Danny was very in earnest about his inquiry with an attorney. It is therefore reasonable to conclude that it was Danny, using 3ABN's telephones, that arranged for Riva's letter, which contained the very point Danny tried to make in his intimidating message.

I therefore conclude that in all likelihood, it was 3ABN's out-of-control president, Danny Shelton, that arranged that reply to Dryden's letter, and thus it could probably be considered a reply from 3ABN too.

Further it does not appear you are telling the truth here, for even Dryden said as I just did.

I told the truth about what Dryden told me about Riva's letter on August 14, 2006. Certainly you didn't have my phones bugged, and thus you don't know what he told me.

Quote from: Bob
Now the question is, who paid the bill for Riva to write that letter? If I had to guess, I'd say 3ABN paid for it, not Tommy.

Then you would be wrong. You shouldn't surmise, Bob. Especially without any valid reason to

I have a valid reason to ask the question, and to make that guess as to the answer.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 26, 2010, 11:32:48 AM
It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.

There are allegations of sexual misconduct against 3ABN employee(s), and allegations of sexual misconduct on the premises of 3ABN.

Do not play your word games with me and cause confusion here, Mr Pickle. We are not talking about your unproven infidelity claims against anyone at 3abn who catches your focus. This topic is about Tommy Shelton and allegations of child molestation.

My statement was specifically talking about Tommy Shelton, not Tammy, not Tammy, not Danny, not Melody, not anyone else.

I know of no child molestation victims to interview Mr Pickle.

Check out Save-3ABN.com. There are a number of individuals named there.

I do know you yourself posted about Brad Dunning, and I am going by what is documented about that and speaking of that.

So you do know of one after all. Why not contact him?

If you did your homework there you would not need to ask me for proof of what the police and DA say. You would already know.

Have you personally spoken with the DA or police about that one?

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Dryden spoke of 3 in Illinois only - all at the Church of God there.
His 2003 letter referred to 6, not 3

That is not my understanding, as three were alleged to be in Virginia and one of them a minor by Dryden himself,but I will leave you to prove that. IF you can.

The proof is simple: Dryden wrote about 6 in Illinois in 2003, before he returned to Dunn Loring and discovered the 3 there.

Of the 7 I have spoken with, Duane is from Illinois, was above 18 at the time, and not included in the above 6. Another was a minor in Illinois, not one of the above 6. A third was a minor in Virginia, not one of the above 3.

Brad Dunning, Greg Houseworth, Roger Clem, and another guy were all minors in Illinois whom I spoke with, and they are part of the above 6. The mother of yet another of the above 6 I also spoke with.

If you put my list together with Dryden's, you get 8 (7 minors) in Illinois and 4 (2 minors) in Virginia. That doesn't include yet another minor that a Shelton family member admitted was molested.

And then there is eye witness Sherry Avery.

But the original point is that Dryden referred to 6 minors in Illinois before he moved to Virginia and discovered the 3 alleged victims (1 minor) there.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 26, 2010, 11:43:52 AM
I Removed a duplicate post here.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 26, 2010, 11:52:03 AM
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It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.

There are allegations of sexual misconduct against 3ABN employee(s), and allegations of sexual misconduct on the premises of 3ABN.


Do not play your word games with me and cause confusion here, Mr Pickle. We are not talking about your unproven infidelity claims against anyone at 3abn who catches your focus. This topic is about Tommy Shelton and allegations of child molestation.

My statement was specifically talking about Tommy Shelton, not Tammy, not Tammy, not Danny, not Melody, not anyone else.

Was it about child molestation allegations? and "It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn."?  No.

I repeat: "Do not play your word games with me and cause confusion here, Mr Pickle"



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I do know you yourself posted about Brad Dunning, and I am going by what is documented about that and speaking of that.

So you do know of one after all. Why not contact him?

Because he already made his statement 26 years ago and it was already investigated by both the police and the Church of God and resolved then.





Let's start with your repeated misrepresentation and falsehood to the newest member here, and implication that 3abn threatened the Pastor of the Church of God in Virginia in response to his letter to them about TS.

I never said that 3ABN threatened Dryden.

Good! Then let the record show that When 3ABN received the letter from Glenn Dryden they did not in fact threaten him. They actually did the opposite. 3ABN thanked him for fulfilling his obligation to them.



Good! Then let the record show that When 3ABN received the letter from Glenn Dryden they did not in fact threaten him.

The record does not show that. Further discovery would be required before drawing that conclusion.

It is very difficult to ever pinpoint exactly what you actually are saying at any given time or to consider you in anyway credible or honest when you insist on these kinds of arguments.

I have more pressing matters to attend to...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 26, 2010, 12:55:09 PM
But the original point is that Dryden referred to 6 minors in Illinois before he moved to Virginia and discovered the 3 alleged victims (1 minor) there.

Let me see if I am understanding this correctly.

Glenn Dryden was the Pastor in the Illinois Church of God in 2003 and he claimed he knew of 6 alleged victims of sexual molestation within that congregation, and he sent a list of items to 3abn to enforce upon Tommy Shelton due to that, and then he gave all the information and names to you to publish? Why?

But he never reported it as the law required him to? Why?

I agree with you when you say it is not easy for victims of sexual abuse to come forward or file charges, but it appears to me they already did come forward, to Pastor Dryden at least?

And it is not hard for him to report these things if they are true, so why didn't he? Can you explain that, Bob?

Here's an article from the Chicago Tribune - Aug 2002.

Reporting Child Abuse
ILLINOIS CLERGY ARE NOW REQUIRED TO REPORT CHILD ABUSE OR NEGLECT

Illinois clergy have now been added to the list of mandated reporters who are required by law to report suspected cases of child abuse or neglect to the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services (DCFS) under a new law signed by Gov. George Ryan on Friday, August 16, 2002...Clergy members join a list of professionals, such as doctors and teachers, who have had to report abuse or neglect to the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services for some time. People who fail to report the first offense can be charged with a misdemeanor. Subsequent violations can result in felony charges. A person could be jailed for up to a year for a misdemeanor, or sent to prison for a longer term for a felony.
(Chicago Tribune, 8/18/02)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 26, 2010, 04:00:17 PM
I have another question here also which occurred to me as I was thinking further upon this.

You also claim to have talked to all these alleged victims and to know all the details, so it would appear they also came forward to you and made statements. Is that true?

Did you ever report any of it to either child protection services or law enforcement?

If so, when and where did you do that? and what did they tell you? If not? WHY didn't you?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 26, 2010, 04:02:47 PM
Was it about child molestation allegations?

I don't know. I'd have to check.

Because he already made his statement 26 years ago and it was already investigated by both the police and the Church of God and resolved then.

Again, how do you know it was resolved then? Have you talked to the police? To Church of God leadership? Or are you taking the word of the unreliable Walt, Danny, and Tommy?

It is very difficult to ever pinpoint exactly what you actually are saying at any given time or to consider you in anyway credible or honest when you insist on these kinds of arguments.

I think the unbiased and thoughtful consider my meaning clear in the statements you question.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 26, 2010, 04:09:26 PM
But he never reported it as the law required him to?

How would you know whether he did or not? Are you surmising?

Did you ever report any of it to either child protection services or law enforcement?

If so, when and where did you do that? and what did they tell you? If not? WHY didn't you?

Any what difference would it make one way or another? If I had reported it, would that make Tommy and Danny out to be demons or saints? And if I had not reported it, would that make Tommy and Danny out to be demons or saints?

Or put a different way, if I did report it, would Tommy get acquitted or convicted? And if I did not report it, would Tommy get acquitted or convicted?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 26, 2010, 04:50:43 PM
No surmising. I was asking questions. Questions which I presumed men of God would want to answer and it now appears I am not the only one asking those questions. I was given the following news report. Your cohort Glenn Dryden does not seem to want to answer either.

 Glenn Dryden asked why? (http://www.wusa9.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=72792842001#/WUSA-News/Former+Virginia+Pastor+Accused+Of+Abusing+Children/46371336001/45927990001/7279284200)

It has nothing to do with TS or DS, Pickle.  I was trying to understand your mindset and motivation and why you and Dryden both thought all the publicity and talk was necessary on and off the internet, instead of either of you doing what is required and letting the proper authorities handle it? This possibly could have all been resolved way before now.

Unless you did report it, and the authorities did nothing? That might be a horse of a different color.

So come clean, Mr Pickle.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on March 26, 2010, 05:06:22 PM
I am afraid that I have to pursue the same line of questioning. Why wasn't Tommy Shelton turned in to authorities in Illinois? Or if he was, did they do nothing because of the notoriety? Was there a coverup on their part? Does the Shelton Family or 3abn have that much pull in that area to be able to do that? I realize that I don't know all the circumstances or the area government workings. But please fill me in.  :help:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 26, 2010, 05:21:07 PM
I am afraid that I have to pursue the same line of questioning. Why wasn't Tommy Shelton turned in to authorities in Illinois? Or if he was, did they do nothing because of the notoriety? Was there a coverup on their part? Does the Shelton Family or 3abn have that much pull in that area to be able to do that? I realize that I don't know all the circumstances or the area government workings. But please fill me in.  :help:

I don't know to your first question, other than there was one complaint filed back in 1984 by one boys Mother and Grandfather claiming Tommy had verbally propositioned him at the Church of God school where Tommy was Pastor (and I think Principal), whereas Tommy claimed he was wrong and had been trying to get the boy to admit to some improper things going on at the school between a couple of boys there. The police investigated and did not file charges, The Church of God investigated and sent an apology to the boys family for improper counseling practices. When Pickle contacted the boy now grown he claimed he never heard that excuse before and the Shelton's pulled strings, he admitted to his Mom getting an apology from the Church but did not say what that was about that I know of. If Pickle knows he hasn't said. You could try asking him...
( BTW, The Man I am speaking of is one of those that both Dryden and Pickle claim is a victim of child molestation)

Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.  The founders were carpenters and locals but didn't have any money or special clout.

So in answer to your question, no the Shelton's do not have that much pull in the area, and if you listen to the little group here always accusing 3abn, ( as in read what they have been posting for years) you will find they all claim the locals don't even like the Shelton's or 3ABN. In fact one of the moderators here posted that exact thing at the beginning of this thread.

edited to add clarification
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 26, 2010, 06:26:32 PM
... instead of either of you doing what is required and letting the proper authorities handle it? This possibly could have all been resolved way before now.

I specifically asked the authorities whether I was required to report it, and I was specifically told that I was not.

The authorities can't do anything if the statute of limitations has already run out.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 26, 2010, 06:29:49 PM
Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.

I never said any such thing. The youngest I currently know about is Alex Walker, brother of Brad Walker, Tommy's son-in-law. He's one of the two who went to the authorities in Virginia. And he's far from being 38.

We really need to keep everyone in prayer: Tommy, his wife, his kids, their families. It's all so embarrassing and devastating. We also need to keep each alleged victim in prayer because this kind of thing can resurrect all the pain and bad memories buried for so long. And we also need to keep Danny and 3ABN in prayer, and everyone else who helped to cover up Tommy's vile deeds.

The Lord is plenteous in mercy and ready to forgive, if we lay our sins and perplexities at the foot of Calvary, and follow the Bible's conditions for receiving the blessing of God.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 26, 2010, 06:42:32 PM
Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.

I never said any such thing. The youngest I currently know about is Alex Walker, brother of Brad Walker, Tommy's son-in-law. He's one of the two who went to the authorities in Virginia. And he's far from being 38.

Niiiiice, have their names been released and made public already, or did you just throw them under the bus?


In any case, this was unnecessary Bob. I was answering our newest member's question asking this:
"Why wasn't Tommy Shelton turned in to authorities in Illinois?"

and so I was referring to you saying the following in this thread (Reply #105 Yesterday at 06:44:22 PM )
"There are quite a few alleged victims from Illinois. I don't know any from Illinois that are younger than 38."
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Sam on March 27, 2010, 07:42:55 PM
Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.

I never said any such thing. The youngest I currently know about is Alex Walker, brother of Brad Walker, Tommy's son-in-law. He's one of the two who went to the authorities in Virginia. And he's far from being 38.

We really need to keep everyone in prayer: Tommy, his wife, his kids, their families. It's all so embarrassing and devastating. We also need to keep each alleged victim in prayer because this kind of thing can resurrect all the pain and bad memories buried for so long. And we also need to keep Danny and 3ABN in prayer, and everyone else who helped to cover up Tommy's vile deeds.

The Lord is plenteous in mercy and ready to forgive, if we lay our sins and perplexities at the foot of Calvary, and follow the Bible's conditions for receiving the blessing of God.


Somehow you failed to mention that this is Brad's adopted brother that came to his parents home as a foster child and then they later adopted. The Walkers have been foster parents to a large number of children and also adopted quite a few of them. You also failed to mention that he was known in his own family as a habitual liar and that at one time, even Glen Dryden said he wasn't credible.  Maybe that last statement escaped Dryden's memory.

As for your facade of sympathy to pray for these people....how stupid do you think people are?  You bring all the dirty innuendo and accusations to the internet and make it public. Then you contact these men from "heresay" that you have worked diligently to get, give them your version of things and all your twisted thinking and information and try to get them to "do the right thing" and come forward. After all there could be some money in it for them..right?  Look how much the Catholic church paid out to alleged victims. After years of emails, phone calls and letters between you, these men and Glen Dryden, you finally succeed in getting charges pressed. The truth doesn't matter as long as your vendetta's succeed.  Then you have the audacity to come here and ask for prayer for the man and his family that you have worked so hard to "set up"?

The above didn't even address the fact that most people's reaction is "what does this pickle guy have to do with anything"?  Of course the answer is that Pickle doesn't have any first hand knowledge of any thing. Pickle doesn't personally know the man he accuses or his family. Pickle doesn't personally know the men he has persuaded to make these charges. Pickle is not a social worker, an attorney, a member of law enforcement or even a reporter. So, what in the world is he doing involved of something of this nature?

ANSWER: His tireless quest to try and bring down Danny Shelton and 3ABN. Yet another person that Pickle has never met, and has no personal knowledge of. He has never even been to 3ABN. 

Bob Pickle, if you think that people don't smell the stench of this set up, you are badly mistaken.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 27, 2010, 08:16:22 PM
Niiiiice, have their names been released and made public already, or did you just throw them under the bus?

See http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-234-5.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-234-5.pdf) filed on February 26. See also http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-234.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-234.pdf).

and so I was referring to you saying the following in this thread (Reply #105 Yesterday at 06:44:22 PM )
"There are quite a few alleged victims from Illinois. I don't know any from Illinois that are younger than 38."

Thank you for the clarification, but I believe that you previously misstated what you now quote me as saying.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 27, 2010, 08:44:24 PM
Somehow you failed to mention that this is Brad's adopted brother that came to his parents home as a foster child and then they later adopted. The Walkers have been foster parents to a large number of children and also adopted quite a few of them. You also failed to mention that he was known in his own family as a habitual liar and that at one time, even Glen Dryden said he wasn't credible.  Maybe that last statement escaped Dryden's memory.

Your statements above are quite revealing, Sam. It demonstrates just how morally bankrupt the Shelton gang is, that they would stoop so low as to attempt to smear an individual who claims to have been a victim of child molestation.

It is just such depravity that led me to get involved in the first place, when on Danny's August 10, 2006, broadcast, Shelley Quinn likened Danny to John the Baptist, Linda to the evil Herodias, and Alyssa to Salome, whom Shelley accused of being a liar.

That was wrong of Shelley to do that. You don't trash a woman who claims to have been sexually assaulted, even if the alleged perpetrator is Danny Shelton, just because you have access to a microphone and a TV camera. Danny should have called a halt then and there to Shelley's sermon, and forbade reruns.

Only the naive would not suspect that Shelley's trashing of Alyssa that day was what Danny wanted.

As for your facade of sympathy to pray for these people....how stupid do you think people are?

I said what I meant, and I meant what I said. If you don't want to pray for them, then don't. But I would suggest that everyone pray for you too.

After years of emails, phone calls and letters between you, these men and Glen Dryden, you finally succeed in getting charges pressed.

Odd that I was recently accused of never going to the authorities. Now I'm accused of being the spark plug behind getting the charges pressed.

The truth doesn't matter as long as your vendetta's succeed.

1) Are you denying that Tommy molested minors? Are you denying that Tommy cheated on his wife by engaging in unseemly conduct with males?

2) What vendetta? We first reported on Danny's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton in late 2006. What vendetta could I possibly have had against Danny prior to that point in time?

3) I guess we could push this back a long time. What sort of vendetta are you suggesting I had when Tommy's license was suspended in 1985?

Then you have the audacity to come here and ask for prayer for the man and his family that you have worked so hard to "set up"?

So are you denying the charges, and asserting that Tommy was framed?

The above didn't even address the fact that most people's reaction is "what does this pickle guy have to do with anything"?  Of course the answer is that Pickle doesn't have any first hand knowledge of any thing. Pickle doesn't personally know the man he accuses or his family. Pickle doesn't personally know the men he has persuaded to make these charges. Pickle is not a social worker, an attorney, a member of law enforcement or even a reporter. So, what in the world is he doing involved of something of this nature?

ANSWER: His tireless quest to try and bring down Danny Shelton and 3ABN. Yet another person that Pickle has never met, and has no personal knowledge of. He has never even been to 3ABN.

Sam, don't buy into the lies of the Shelton gang. It's not worth it.

If someone is concerned about Danny's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy, then the Shelton gang accuses that person of wanting to "bring down 3ABN." It's a lie, a political ploy.

I have been to 3ABN, and I have first hand knowledge of some things about all of this.

Moreover, I have sat in meetings where instruction was given about churches avoiding liability. Therefore, when Walt informed me that he never contacted any of the alleged victims or their families or the two ordaining associations as Dryden invited him to, and that he had instead relied on what Danny told him, even though what Danny told him could not possibly be true, I knew a grave mistake had been made which potentially threatened 3ABN and the Illinois Conference, and I wasn't about to keep quiet about the utter irresponsibility of Danny Shelton in the matter.

The 3ABN Board has had over three years since our reports to address these matters in a responsible way. Instead, they voted to sue us and gave Danny $96,000 in land, plus more than $52,000 in 2009, all beyond his salary.

If I apostatize to the point that I cover up child molestation allegations too, will the 3ABN Board vote to give me land and money too?

The Board has had over three years to deal with it. If the trial of Tommy Shelton for child molestation creates bad press for 3ABN, it isn't my fault.

If 3ABN is adversely affected, lay the blame where it belongs: at the feet of Danny Shelton!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Sister on March 28, 2010, 12:21:55 AM
There was another victim in Illinois that would have come forward, but first gave Tommy the option of entering into counseling to deal with his pedophilia, with the understanding that otherwise he would go to the authorities and report the molestation that had taken place. The man's family name is Shelton.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 28, 2010, 09:19:29 AM
Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.

I never said any such thing. The youngest I currently know about is Alex Walker, brother of Brad Walker, Tommy's son-in-law. He's one of the two who went to the authorities in Virginia. And he's far from being 38.

We really need to keep everyone in prayer: Tommy, his wife, his kids, their families. It's all so embarrassing and devastating. We also need to keep each alleged victim in prayer because this kind of thing can resurrect all the pain and bad memories buried for so long. And we also need to keep Danny and 3ABN in prayer, and everyone else who helped to cover up Tommy's vile deeds.

The Lord is plenteous in mercy and ready to forgive, if we lay our sins and perplexities at the foot of Calvary, and follow the Bible's conditions for receiving the blessing of God.


Somehow you failed to mention that this is Brad's adopted brother that came to his parents home as a foster child and then they later adopted. The Walkers have been foster parents to a large number of children and also adopted quite a few of them. You also failed to mention that he was known in his own family as a habitual liar and that at one time, even Glen Dryden said he wasn't credible.  Maybe that last statement escaped Dryden's memory.

As for your facade of sympathy to pray for these people....how stupid do you think people are?  You bring all the dirty innuendo and accusations to the internet and make it public. Then you contact these men from "heresay" that you have worked diligently to get, give them your version of things and all your twisted thinking and information and try to get them to "do the right thing" and come forward. After all there could be some money in it for them..right?  Look how much the Catholic church paid out to alleged victims. After years of emails, phone calls and letters between you, these men and Glen Dryden, you finally succeed in getting charges pressed. The truth doesn't matter as long as your vendetta's succeed.  Then you have the audacity to come here and ask for prayer for the man and his family that you have worked so hard to "set up"?

The above didn't even address the fact that most people's reaction is "what does this pickle guy have to do with anything"?  Of course the answer is that Pickle doesn't have any first hand knowledge of any thing. Pickle doesn't personally know the man he accuses or his family. Pickle doesn't personally know the men he has persuaded to make these charges. Pickle is not a social worker, an attorney, a member of law enforcement or even a reporter. So, what in the world is he doing involved of something of this nature?

ANSWER: His tireless quest to try and bring down Danny Shelton and 3ABN. Yet another person that Pickle has never met, and has no personal knowledge of. He has never even been to 3ABN. 

Bob Pickle, if you think that people don't smell the stench of this set up, you are badly mistaken.
Disgusting, Sam. Very disgusting.

Even if Alex did have a problem with lying, how is it that his story is so similar to other victims? I have talked to Alex personally and he has given me details that have never been made public in any victim's statement. He told me things Tommy has said to him, things that were said to me and that I have also heard from other victims. He has never talked to any of these other people. Are you saying this is just coincidence?

Money? Do you think any amount of money is sufficient to cover the damage that has been done? $50 million, billion or trillion dollars couldn't erase what has happened to me or any of the other victims. Your insinuation that this is about money is just plain sick.

In closing, you sound like you might be someone who has attended the Ezra Church of God in the past. You know way too many details about things (even though you are deliberately twisting some of them) to be hearing this second or third party. Why don't you man up and post your name? What are you hiding?

Nah...it's a lot easier to hide behind a screen name and trash people anonymously, right?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Murcielago on March 28, 2010, 09:46:46 AM
Fear of just this sort of thing is why most abuse victims, children and adults, will never come forward and speak of it.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 28, 2010, 09:51:40 AM
Fear of just this sort of thing is why most abuse victims, children and adults, will never come forward and speak of it.
Exactly right, George. Unfortunately for Sam, 3d, Nosir, Steffan and all the others, intimidation and threats don't work with me. There's nothing that they can do to keep me quiet, so they'll have to deal with that.

I think they're just mad because they all look like fools now and they can't seem to do anything to erase it.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on March 28, 2010, 12:53:49 PM
Fear of just this sort of thing is why most abuse victims, children and adults, will never come forward and speak of it.
Exactly right, George. Unfortunately for Sam, 3d, Nosir, Steffan and all the others, intimidation and threats don't work with me. There's nothing that they can do to keep me quiet, so they'll have to deal with that.

I think they're just mad because they all look like fools now and they can't seem to do anything to erase it.

You might be right!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on March 28, 2010, 02:04:43 PM
It's interesting to me that the 3ABN defenders' response to Tommy Shelton's child molestation charges is to vilify Linda Shelton.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: sonshineonme on March 28, 2010, 02:24:41 PM
It's interesting to me that the 3ABN defenders' response to Tommy Shelton's child molestation charges is to vilify Linda Shelton.


They are weak.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 28, 2010, 03:03:26 PM
You can tell how desperation has set in as never before. Look at all the old topics they're trying to resurrect. Deter and distract, the same tactics that have been used for years around 3ABN. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Hopefully the board will finally open their eyes and have the courage to deal with this once and for all before 3ABN goes the way of the PTL Club.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: sonshineonme on March 28, 2010, 03:05:33 PM
You can tell how desperation has set in as never before. Look at all the old topics they're trying to resurrect. Deter and distract, the same tactics that have been used for years around 3ABN. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

Hopefully the board will finally open their eyes and have the courage to deal with this once and for all before 3ABN goes the way of the PTL Club.

Exactly. They may FOOL some of the people some of the time, but they can never fool God. That's all that really matters.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on March 28, 2010, 07:42:45 PM
I applaud those who have spoken out on this site, who have been victims of TS. I am sorry for what he has has put you thru. No child should have to go thru what you did,especially by someone who represents the Lord Jesus. Please do not give up. TS will be brought to justice. :amen:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Murcielago on March 28, 2010, 08:18:09 PM
The threads on West Frankfort Topix and Benton Topix appear to be gone.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 28, 2010, 09:17:18 PM
The threads on West Frankfort Topix and Benton Topix appear to be gone.
Interesting. I wonder if a phone call was made from Thompsonville requesting their removal.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Murcielago on March 28, 2010, 09:25:43 PM
The threads on West Frankfort Topix and Benton Topix appear to be gone.
Interesting. I wonder if a phone call was made from Thompsonville requesting their removal.
Probably not. I'm guessing communications from legal representation.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 29, 2010, 05:00:25 AM
I applaud those who have spoken out on this site, who have been victims of TS. I am sorry for what he has has put you thru. No child should have to go thru what you did,especially by someone who represents the Lord Jesus. Please do not give up. TS will be brought to justice. :amen:

Excuse me mrs53, Tommy Shelton has already been brought to "justice." Complaints were filed, a warrant was issued, he surrendered to the police and was charged and arrested, and will now be able to face his accusers and they and he have the right to a fair trial. This forum, the people on it and the views and judgments expressed here are not in any way shape or form justice.

Duane, don't be paranoid nor let your ego get in the way of seeing reality. No one has threatened intimidated nor tried to silence you, least of all me.

No one is trying to bury this topic either, ssom. Nor is my response to Tommy Shelton's child molestation charges "villifying" Linda Shelton. There is more than one discussion going on here on this forum. As administrators I am quite sure you are aware of that. "Nice try"
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 29, 2010, 09:39:14 AM
Bob Pickle claimed:
"I have been to 3ABN, and I have first hand knowledge of some things about all of this. Moreover, I have sat in meetings where instruction was given about churches avoiding liability. Therefore, when Walt informed me that he never contacted any of the alleged victims or their families or the two ordaining associations as Dryden invited him to, and that he had instead relied on what Danny told him, even though what Danny told him could not possibly be true, I knew a grave mistake had been made which potentially threatened 3ABN and the Illinois Conference, and I wasn't about to keep quiet about the utter irresponsibility of Danny Shelton in the matter."

Was this a very recent trip, Pickle? Because you were most certainly not there before that! You do not have any personal knowledge of 3ABN! You have never met Danny Shelton! You have never met Dr Thompson, and any meetings you sat in on were not at 3ABN, and you are not a witness to anythingthat was discussed in any meeting at 3ABN! Barely anything has even been said to you about it! and because of your character and actions it is a safe assumption to make that no further answers or explanations will ever be given again to you by anyone at 3ABN.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 29, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
I applaud those who have spoken out on this site, who have been victims of TS. I am sorry for what he has has put you thru. No child should have to go thru what you did...

huh?

Who are you talking about when you say this?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on March 29, 2010, 10:53:56 AM
Bob Pickle claimed:
"I have been to 3ABN, and I have first hand knowledge of some things about all of this. Moreover, I have sat in meetings where instruction was given about churches avoiding liability. Therefore, when Walt informed me that he never contacted any of the alleged victims or their families or the two ordaining associations as Dryden invited him to, and that he had instead relied on what Danny told him, even though what Danny told him could not possibly be true, I knew a grave mistake had been made which potentially threatened 3ABN and the Illinois Conference, and I wasn't about to keep quiet about the utter irresponsibility of Danny Shelton in the matter."

Was this a very recent trip, Pickle? Because you were most certainly not there before that! You do not have any personal knowledge of 3ABN! You have never met Danny Shelton! You have never met Dr Thompson, and any meetings you sat in on were not at 3ABN, and you are not a witness to anythingthat was discussed in any meeting at 3ABN! Barely anything has even been said to you about it! and because of your character and actions it is a safe assumption to make that no further answers or explanations will ever be given again to you by anyone at 3ABN.

I think it seems odd that you would take what Bob Pickle said and assume that he was claiming what you tried to refute. Just very strange to me because that is not what was said.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on March 29, 2010, 02:17:34 PM
Bob Pickle claimed:
"I have been to 3ABN, and I have first hand knowledge of some things about all of this. Moreover, I have sat in meetings where instruction was given about churches avoiding liability. Therefore, when Walt informed me that he never contacted any of the alleged victims or their families or the two ordaining associations as Dryden invited him to, and that he had instead relied on what Danny told him, even though what Danny told him could not possibly be true, I knew a grave mistake had been made which potentially threatened 3ABN and the Illinois Conference, and I wasn't about to keep quiet about the utter irresponsibility of Danny Shelton in the matter."

Was this a very recent trip, Pickle? Because you were most certainly not there before that! You do not have any personal knowledge of 3ABN! You have never met Danny Shelton! You have never met Dr Thompson, and any meetings you sat in on were not at 3ABN, and you are not a witness to anythingthat was discussed in any meeting at 3ABN! Barely anything has even been said to you about it! and because of your character and actions it is a safe assumption to make that no further answers or explanations will ever be given again to you by anyone at 3ABN.

I think it seems odd that you would take what Bob Pickle said and assume that he was claiming what you tried to refute. Just very strange to me because that is not what was said.

Y0u experience many strange things in these quarters.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 29, 2010, 03:18:32 PM
Was this a very recent trip, Pickle?

I was by 3ABN in 2008.

You have never met Danny Shelton!

I first met Danny (and Melody) Shelton in 1984. He and I also spoke in person in 2002. (Lina and I dialogged around 1988.) Danny and I corresponded in 2006 about some of the allegations floating around, and Danny confirmed that one of the allegations was indeed true, that he was trying to hide his book royalties until after his marital property case was over.

You have never met Dr Thompson, ....

Whether it was in 2002 or 2004 or 2006, we were right next to each other at ASI. We also corresponded more than once, and also spoke together more than once on the telephone. Dr. Thompson, as I pointed out, told me that there were no board actions between January and May 2004, and that Danny had told him that the allegations against Tommy were all 30 years old.

I have just stated very clearly several things that I know first hand. I know first hand what Danny and Walt told me, because they told it to me, not to someone else. And the issue has often been what they told me.

... and any meetings you sat in on were not at 3ABN, and you are not a witness to anythingthat was discussed in any meeting at 3ABN!

Meetings at 3ABN and meetings elsewhere covering issues of potential liability over not exercising due diligence regarding hiring potential pedophiles would only be different if 3ABN never conducts such meetings, or if 3ABN totally ignores standard protocols. If that is the case, then 3ABN desperately needs new management.

Barely anything has even been said to you about it! and because of your character and actions it is a safe assumption to make that no further answers or explanations will ever be given again to you by anyone at 3ABN.

If 3ABN intends to operate in violation of standard Christian, Seventh-day Adventist, and community standards, then it might as well close down, because God cannot bless apostasy.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Sister on March 29, 2010, 09:28:45 PM
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Excuse me mrs53, Tommy Shelton has already been brought to "justice." Complaints were filed, a warrant was issued, he surrendered to the police and was charged and arrested, and will now be able to face his accusers and they and he have the right to a fair trial.

3ABN_Defender, from your statement that I have quoted above, it is obvious that you have no concept of the meaning of the term justice. Tommy Shelton has not been brought to "justice" he has merely entered into the first step of procedures in the justice system that will lead to him being prosecuted for pedophilia. Since Tommy has been charged and arrested, the District Attorney must believe that there are legitimate grounds to persue prosecution. As far as justice is concerned, it is his victims that deserve retributive justice under the law. Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that punishment, if proportionate, is a morally acceptable response to crime. "Let the punishment fit the crime" is the principle that the severity of penalty for a misdeed or wrongdoing should be reasonable and proportionate to the severity of the infraction. What is a reasonable penalty for victimizing and stealing the innocence of a child? Not one child, but multiple children? Jesus said: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6)

I realize that you have chosen not to comment on my statement referring to one of Tommy's many victims being a Shelton. Would you also brand him a liar?


Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on March 30, 2010, 03:18:40 AM
Sister
Your statement here is an exact view of the matter. What I feel is just as bad is cover up, protection from family and especially wife knowing this and giving opportunity to yet another victim. How else can you look at it?? I have a very, very hard time knowing this sort of saga is at the front of the church with all evangelist participating right in the middle of it. Surely they must have known about or read that letter to LS presented by the board and taken the same stance of guilty without proof on just the word of DS. I do not think that I ever read such a thing where all was so soft talk, (Jesus talk) with cotton in the mouth implied to such horrific threats and then hatched all in one.  Only the devil could have done so good.

Hmm, I guess when the fall comes it will be big. I have waited and watched for some sort of proof that the sympathizers can post to prove their point instead of just talk and as much as they rant and raved in opposition and cry false to what is happened, you would think they could post words of a tape, how about paying the phone company for recording the cell conversations like they portray on TV. oj and some others like Lacy Peterson Case or Casey in Florida.   I think if their side of truth was right you would have seen it long ago. I do not believe they have anything to back up for what they have done. Even emails, surely there would have been one slip up of proof in this maze.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on March 30, 2010, 06:50:32 PM
Sister, thank you for responding with the fact that TS has not been brought to justice. Again, I pray that there has not been more boys in Kentucky and I am very upset that Glen could have let him got to Kentucky to work with children knowing what his past history was. It sounds too much like the Catholic church coverup.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on March 31, 2010, 06:40:36 AM
Justice?
It  may take many years like in a case where "he" forced himself on 8 and 12 year old relatives. Those minors later made various attempts to avoid further contact with "him", including seeking help from parents - to no avail. When it finally dawned on some of them that something was seriously wrong they did not feel they could reveal such secrets to any Seventh-day Adventist pastor. Finally a courageous relative talked to a Lutheran pastor who was very understanding. The pastor demanded of "him" to appear at a meeting where he was confronted with his devilish acts.

"He" replied that he had no idea that he had done anything wrong. "But in case I have done something I should not have done, then I apologize." He had, of course, just done what he needed.

The Lutheran pastor explained that even though he no longer could be sent to prison because the time limit had expired, the words of Scripture, the standard of Christian faith, condemned him as a criminal, just like a murderer. That he had ruined the lives of his own relatives, and therefore "he" was still guilty. The Lutheran pastor told him  the  only way he could now come to an appeasement with his own family was if he would ask for professional help.

This gave him a slight measure of cure. From then on he - as far as is known - never approached minors, only adults and managed to get their consent beforehand. This, of course, did not satisfy the family and it ruined his home.

When I came to that area some time after this I was the first Seventh-day Adventist pastor who heard what had happened. I talked to the Lutheran pastor and thanked him for what he had done. We enjoyed talking together, also about the Seventh-day Adventist church.

Justice? Cure? Is it possible?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 31, 2010, 09:20:55 AM
Re: Tommy...

Post by 3abn_defender » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:01 pm UTC

    

Sister wrote:
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3abn_defender wrote: Excuse me mrs53, Tommy Shelton has already been brought to "justice." Complaints were filed, a warrant was issued, he surrendered to the police and was charged and arrested, and will now be able to face his accusers and they and he have the right to a fair trial.



    3ABN_Defender, from your statement that I have quoted above, it is obvious that you have no concept of the meaning of the term justice. Tommy Shelton has not been brought to "justice" he has merely entered into the first step of procedures in the justice system that will lead to him being prosecuted for pedophilia. Since Tommy has been charged and arrested, the District Attorney must believe that there are legitimate grounds to persue prosecution. As far as justice is concerned, it is his victims that deserve retributive justice under the law. Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that punishment, if proportionate, is a morally acceptable response to crime. "Let the punishment fit the crime" is the principle that the severity of penalty for a misdeed or wrongdoing should be reasonable and proportionate to the severity of the infraction. What is a reasonable penalty for victimizing and stealing the innocence of a child? Not one child, but multiple children? Jesus said: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6)



Sister you and I see justice very differently. To me justice is not a "trial by media" (lynch mob mentality) and condemnation and verdicts of guilt only. I know what I meant and referred to, and this is it:

  
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 justice definition

    jus·tice (jus?tis)

    noun

    1. the quality of being righteous; rectitude
    2. impartiality; fairness
    3. the quality of being right or correct
    4. sound reason; rightfulness; validity
    5. reward or penalty as deserved; just deserts
    6.
    1. the use of authority and power to uphold what is right, just, or lawful
    2. the personification of this, usually a blindfolded goddess holding scales and a sword
    7. the administration of law; procedure of a law court - Webster law dictionary



 
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  Brought to trial (Redirected from Brought to justice)

    Brought to trial means to calendar a legal case for a hearing, or to bring a defendant to the bar of justice. The simplest definition is "the commencement of the trial in a court by formally calling and swearing in of the witnesses to initiate the trial proceedings." However, much like Pro-rata, it has several different, ambiguous meanings and examples used in the law. To bring to trial is when the process is ongoing. Most often, the terms brought to trial, bring to trial, brought to justice and bring to justice refer to the prosecution at trial of alleged war criminals and political prisoners, as well as those accused of treason or misprision of treason, sexual assault, and other infamous crimes


Quote
   Fifth amendment
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Sixth amendment
    'In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.



The above from the bill of rights are applied to each State by the 14th amendment.

 
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  Fourteenth amendment - Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.



 
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  INNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF

    The indictment or formal charge against any person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty.



    Sister wrote:
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I realize that you have chosen not to comment on my statement referring to one of Tommy's many victims being a Shelton. Would you also brand him a liar?



You have a long history with your posts, so I wouldn't hesitate to brand you a liar, but why would I brand "him" one? I don't even know who this person is or even if he exists or if this even occurred, outside of gossip and slander, or your imagination. I do know "if" this happened, then your person never turned Tommy in when Tommy never attended counseling for being a pedophile as you state the ultimatum was, and I know if push comes to shove that his counselor who knows what he was getting help for could testify to that, and there are zero allegations or complaints filed by your unnamed Shelton, so it appears unlikely your story is true.

I must however express my surprise that you would actually post here under the name of Sister again and think you have any credibility at all after all your boasting about never being identified, and then having Danny confront your husband at the ASI convention about how disappointed he was in you both that you would spread such lies. Even going so far as to you and Johann accusing him of murdering his first wife. When the truth is she was killed instantly when her vehicle was stuck head on by another one, and it's a miracle that their daughter wasn't. Your days of claiming to come and go and observe and report and be a witness even at Shelton family gathering are over and exposed for the lies they were, and your "Unauthorized 3abn history" is in the trash where it deserves to be.

*****************************************.

*****************************************.



3-d



Edited to remove inappropriate content.  Abide by the rules here, 3D, or don't come back.

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 31, 2010, 09:51:25 AM
Was this a very recent trip, Pickle?

I was by 3ABN in 2008.

You were "by 3ABN" in 2008? What does that even mean in relation to the post you are replying to saying that you had never been to 3abn before? Especially as you, yourself have previously claimed you had never been there?


Quote from: Bob Pickle
You have never met Danny Shelton!

I first met Danny (and Melody) Shelton in 1984. He and I also spoke in person in 2002. Danny and I corresponded in 2006 about some of the allegations floating around, and Danny confirmed that one of the allegations was indeed true, that he was trying to hide his book royalties until after his marital property case was over

You mean you attended a meeting in 1984 when 3ABN was just getting started, and then spoke to him once about something unrelated to the current accusations in 2002 (?)  afterwhich you harassed him by email with false assumptions accusations and judgments?

He certainly didn't say "he was trying to hide his book royalties until after his marital property case was over" as you claim. That is what you say he said, while the e-mail from him says nothing of the kind!

Quote from: Bob Pickle
You have never met Dr Thompson, ....

Whether it was in 2002 or 2004 or 2006, we were right next to each other at ASI. We also corresponded more than once, and also spoke together more than once on the telephone. Dr. Thompson

You mean you stood beside him once and then sent him your accusations via email and phone calls after that?

Quote from: Bob Pickle
I have just stated very clearly several things that I know first hand. I know first hand what Danny and Walt told me, because they told it to me, not to someone else. And the issue has often been what they told me.

You can't even be trusted to quote correctly what people say when it is written even though you are called on it all the time, so how can you be trusted to repeat anything they say orally? You can't!

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on March 31, 2010, 09:59:08 AM


My comment. This is a straw man argument and has nothing to do with determining either Tommy's guilt or innocense, although this kind of thing can sure stir up a mob.

Justice?
It  may take many years like in a case where "he" forced himself on 8 and 12 year old relatives. Those minors later made various attempts to avoid further contact with "him", including seeking help from parents - to no avail. When it finally dawned on some of them that something was seriously wrong they did not feel they could reveal such secrets to any Seventh-day Adventist pastor. Finally a courageous relative talked to a Lutheran pastor who was very understanding. The pastor demanded of "him" to appear at a meeting where he was confronted with his devilish acts.

"He" replied that he had no idea that he had done anything wrong. "But in case I have done something I should not have done, then I apologize." He had, of course, just done what he needed.

The Lutheran pastor explained that even though he no longer could be sent to prison because the time limit had expired, the words of Scripture, the standard of Christian faith, condemned him as a criminal, just like a murderer. That he had ruined the lives of his own relatives, and therefore "he" was still guilty. The Lutheran pastor told him  the  only way he could now come to an appeasement with his own family was if he would ask for professional help.

This gave him a slight measure of cure. From then on he - as far as is known - never approached minors, only adults and managed to get their consent beforehand. This, of course, did not satisfy the family and it ruined his home.

When I came to that area some time after this I was the first Seventh-day Adventist pastor who heard what had happened. I talked to the Lutheran pastor and thanked him for what he had done. We enjoyed talking together, also about the Seventh-day Adventist church.

Justice? Cure? Is it possible?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on March 31, 2010, 10:34:24 AM


I see you defenders are quite selective on who you apply your definition of justice to.  Interesting...




Sister you and I see justice very differently. To me justice is not a "trial by media" (lynch mob mentality) and condemnation and verdicts of guilt only. I know what I meant and referred to, and this is it:

  
Quote
 justice definition

    jus·tice (jus?tis)

    noun

    1. the quality of being righteous; rectitude
    2. impartiality; fairness
    3. the quality of being right or correct
    4. sound reason; rightfulness; validity
    5. reward or penalty as deserved; just deserts
    6.
    1. the use of authority and power to uphold what is right, just, or lawful
    2. the personification of this, usually a blindfolded goddess holding scales and a sword
    7. the administration of law; procedure of a law court - Webster law dictionary



 
Quote
  Brought to trial (Redirected from Brought to justice)

    Brought to trial means to calendar a legal case for a hearing, or to bring a defendant to the bar of justice. The simplest definition is "the commencement of the trial in a court by formally calling and swearing in of the witnesses to initiate the trial proceedings." However, much like Pro-rata, it has several different, ambiguous meanings and examples used in the law. To bring to trial is when the process is ongoing. Most often, the terms brought to trial, bring to trial, brought to justice and bring to justice refer to the prosecution at trial of alleged war criminals and political prisoners, as well as those accused of treason or misprision of treason, sexual assault, and other infamous crimes


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   Fifth amendment
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Sixth amendment
    'In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.



The above from the bill of rights are applied to each State by the 14th amendment.

 
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  Fourteenth amendment - Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.



 
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  INNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF

    The indictment or formal charge against any person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty.



3-d




Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 31, 2010, 10:53:19 AM
He certainly didn't say "he was trying to hide his book royalties until after his marital property case was over" as you claim. That is what you say he said, while the e-mail from him says nothing of the kind!

You are incorrect. His email was very clear.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Sister on March 31, 2010, 11:51:28 AM
3ABN_Defender,
Attempting to deflect from the truth of the message by attacking the character of the messenger is false logic at its most obvious. Unfortunately for you, it is such an obvious tactic of those who have no facts to contradict the truth that even the least informed become suspicious of your motives. Instead of convincing them with your “arguments” you only add additional doubt to your credibility.

Although you have been very abrasive and contentious before your quotations regarding justice, those quotes  are not in opposition to my definition of retributive justice.  Your following statement is only there to attempt to incite prejudice and has nothing to do with any statement from me.

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Sister you and I see justice very differently. To me justice is not a "trial by media" (lynch mob mentality) and condemnation and verdicts of guilt only.

Where there is a blaring oversight in your arguments is my referenced to Scripture:

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Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that punishment, if proportionate, is a morally acceptable response to crime. "Let the punishment fit the crime" is the principle that the severity of penalty for a misdeed or wrongdoing should be reasonable and proportionate to the severity of the infraction. What is a reasonable penalty for victimizing and stealing the innocence of a child? Not one child, but multiple children? Jesus said: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6)

In light of the scripture quoted above, “Defender”, what do you think of a man --- a self professed Christian who has served his church as a minister --- who adopts a son and molests him? What justice does that son deserve?  A son who has been offended by his father in the most dispicable manner possible for a parent.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on March 31, 2010, 12:46:20 PM
Re: Tommy...

Post by 3abn_defender » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:01 pm UTC

    

Sister wrote:
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3abn_defender wrote: Excuse me mrs53, Tommy Shelton has already been brought to "justice." Complaints were filed, a warrant was issued, he surrendered to the police and was charged and arrested, and will now be able to face his accusers and they and he have the right to a fair trial.



    3ABN_Defender, from your statement that I have quoted above, it is obvious that you have no concept of the meaning of the term justice. Tommy Shelton has not been brought to "justice" he has merely entered into the first step of procedures in the justice system that will lead to him being prosecuted for pedophilia. Since Tommy has been charged and arrested, the District Attorney must believe that there are legitimate grounds to persue prosecution. As far as justice is concerned, it is his victims that deserve retributive justice under the law. Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that punishment, if proportionate, is a morally acceptable response to crime. "Let the punishment fit the crime" is the principle that the severity of penalty for a misdeed or wrongdoing should be reasonable and proportionate to the severity of the infraction. What is a reasonable penalty for victimizing and stealing the innocence of a child? Not one child, but multiple children? Jesus said: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6)



Sister you and I see justice very differently. To me justice is not a "trial by media" (lynch mob mentality) and condemnation and verdicts of guilt only. I know what I meant and referred to, and this is it:

  
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 justice definition

    jus·tice (jus?tis)

    noun

    1. the quality of being righteous; rectitude
    2. impartiality; fairness
    3. the quality of being right or correct
    4. sound reason; rightfulness; validity
    5. reward or penalty as deserved; just deserts
    6.
    1. the use of authority and power to uphold what is right, just, or lawful
    2. the personification of this, usually a blindfolded goddess holding scales and a sword
    7. the administration of law; procedure of a law court - Webster law dictionary



 
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  Brought to trial (Redirected from Brought to justice)

    Brought to trial means to calendar a legal case for a hearing, or to bring a defendant to the bar of justice. The simplest definition is "the commencement of the trial in a court by formally calling and swearing in of the witnesses to initiate the trial proceedings." However, much like Pro-rata, it has several different, ambiguous meanings and examples used in the law. To bring to trial is when the process is ongoing. Most often, the terms brought to trial, bring to trial, brought to justice and bring to justice refer to the prosecution at trial of alleged war criminals and political prisoners, as well as those accused of treason or misprision of treason, sexual assault, and other infamous crimes


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   Fifth amendment
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

    Sixth amendment
    'In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.



The above from the bill of rights are applied to each State by the 14th amendment.

 
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  Fourteenth amendment - Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.



 
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  INNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF

    The indictment or formal charge against any person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty.



    Sister wrote:
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I realize that you have chosen not to comment on my statement referring to one of Tommy's many victims being a Shelton. Would you also brand him a liar?



You have a long history with your posts, so I wouldn't hesitate to brand you a liar, but why would I brand "him" one? I don't even know who this person is or even if he exists or if this even occurred, outside of gossip and slander, or your imagination. I do know "if" this happened, then your person never turned Tommy in when Tommy never attended counseling for being a pedophile as you state the ultimatum was, and I know if push comes to shove that his counselor who knows what he was getting help for could testify to that, and there are zero allegations or complaints filed by your unnamed Shelton, so it appears unlikely your story is true.

I must however express my surprise that you would actually post here under the name of Sister again and think you have any credibility at all after all your boasting about never being identified, and then having Danny confront your husband at the ASI convention about how disappointed he was in you both that you would spread such lies. Even going so far as to you and Johann accusing him of murdering his first wife. When the truth is she was killed instantly when her vehicle was stuck head on by another one, and it's a miracle that their daughter wasn't. Your days of claiming to come and go and observe and report and be a witness even at Shelton family gathering are over and exposed for the lies they were, and your "Unauthorized 3abn history" is in the trash where it deserves to be.

*****************************************.

*****************************************.



3-d



Edited to remove inappropriate content.  Abide by the rules here, 3D, or don't come back.


The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally. And, Kay, Danny's first wife, was killed when her van was broadsided, not hit head on.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on March 31, 2010, 02:30:06 PM
This was not  an attempt to determine Tommy's guilt or innocence. It is  a real story which shows how that matter was dealt with.



My comment. This is a straw man argument and has nothing to do with determining either Tommy's guilt or innocense, although this kind of thing can sure stir up a mob.

Justice?
It  may take many years like in a case where "he" forced himself on 8 and 12 year old relatives. Those minors later made various attempts to avoid further contact with "him", including seeking help from parents - to no avail. When it finally dawned on some of them that something was seriously wrong they did not feel they could reveal such secrets to any Seventh-day Adventist pastor. Finally a courageous relative talked to a Lutheran pastor who was very understanding. The pastor demanded of "him" to appear at a meeting where he was confronted with his devilish acts.

"He" replied that he had no idea that he had done anything wrong. "But in case I have done something I should not have done, then I apologize." He had, of course, just done what he needed.

The Lutheran pastor explained that even though he no longer could be sent to prison because the time limit had expired, the words of Scripture, the standard of Christian faith, condemned him as a criminal, just like a murderer. That he had ruined the lives of his own relatives, and therefore "he" was still guilty. The Lutheran pastor told him  the  only way he could now come to an appeasement with his own family was if he would ask for professional help.

This gave him a slight measure of cure. From then on he - as far as is known - never approached minors, only adults and managed to get their consent beforehand. This, of course, did not satisfy the family and it ruined his home.

When I came to that area some time after this I was the first Seventh-day Adventist pastor who heard what had happened. I talked to the Lutheran pastor and thanked him for what he had done. We enjoyed talking together, also about the Seventh-day Adventist church.

Justice? Cure? Is it possible?

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on March 31, 2010, 02:43:40 PM
Ok, so let me get this straight............those who are on Danny's Side(for lack of a better term), are really still trying to defind TS in any way shape or form, even after a extensive police investigation and arrest?  Please tell me that I am readying wrong.  There is nothing for any of you to say, but that you were wrong for mounting any kind of defense int he first place.  I just have to say that it really bothers me me that anyone in their right mind would even try.  The man is a pediphile.   How can you even think of defending that?   EXpecially ones calling themselves christian.  The abuse of any one should not be tolerated, and that perpetrated against children is vile and represhensible.  I dont' care if nothing at all happened(and there seems to be some dispute if something actually did occur) when TS was at 3ABN, it is a horrible chance to take with other people's children.  Totally irresponsible on the part of Danny, and the 3ABN board.

So, one of you defender, please be kind enough to explain why you are even posting to this thread with any form of defense against a formally accused pediphile?   Also, let me know if I am wrong.

Also, just to address why victims do not report.  Gregory is correct fear of this kind of stuff is key.  Also, in the "religious" setting there is even more pressure to  keep it under wraps " for the sake of the church" or the ministry"  Parents are often talked out of reporting to the proper authorities under these pretenses.  Most pediphiles we hear about these days are trusted leaders, with youth/children and their families.  That is how many of them gain the trust of the children and their parents.  So it makes no one feels better 3ABN Defnder, that TS played the piano, etc in full view of parents and staff, that is typical.  Apparently what he did in full view of everyone was not the problem, and far too much happened "in the dark" and not in full view.

Ok so please tell me why any of you is even posting to this thread, because I see a few names I haven't even seen in a while out to jump on this one.  
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on March 31, 2010, 02:47:08 PM
Sister...think you have any credibility at all after all your boasting about never being identified, and then having Danny confront your husband at the ASI convention about how disappointed he was in you both that you would spread such lies. Even going so far as to you and Johann accusing him of murdering his first wife.

I think we all remember that amazing point when Danny Shelton said in court that Moses' first wife had been murdered.  See below.

Taken from 3ABN's Property Tax Case, Danny Shelton, witness, September 23, 2002, as reproduced on the Save-3ABN site:

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Q. Good morning, Mr. Shelton.
A. Good morning.
Q. Can you tell us your full name and address for the record this morning?
A.. Danny Lee Shelton. I live at ****************.

And later, while giving testimony as to his work and position at 3ABN:

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Suddenly I thought about Moses and the bible
who had been away from the people for 40 years, was 80
years old when he took the call and his previous wife
had been murdered and yet God used him.

I was confused by this.

Where in the Bible does it say that Moses had a previous wife that was murdered?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on March 31, 2010, 03:24:08 PM
I'm confused, too.  Did someone ever say whether the Bible says Moses had a first wife who was murdered or not?   

There are some strange things circulatin'.  I heard a good one....LOL!!....that Joseph(Jesus' earthly father" was 18 when he married Mary(who was actually probably early or mid teenage).  That is why we need to read and study for ourselves........just sad.............
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: GRAT on March 31, 2010, 03:51:14 PM
If he is any kind of man he will save his victim's the pain and agony of reliving the abuse and save his family the pain of having to hear the details in court and also the American Taxpayers the expense of a trial and just simply plead guilty.  Way, way too many victims over the years to plead "not guilty".  MY opinion.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 31, 2010, 03:58:44 PM

Diane,

3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.

I would like to say I think you have misunderstood..  Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.

Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...

What I am about is 3ABN in this instance.  Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that.  Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..


~ Cindy
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 31, 2010, 04:21:54 PM
Sister...think you have any credibility at all after all your boasting about never being identified, and then having Danny confront your husband at the ASI convention about how disappointed he was in you both that you would spread such lies. Even going so far as to you and Johann accusing him of murdering his first wife.

I think we all remember that amazing point when Danny Shelton said in court that Moses' first wife had been murdered.  See below.

Taken from 3ABN's Property Tax Case, Danny Shelton, witness, September 23, 2002, as reproduced on the Save-3ABN site:

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Q. Good morning, Mr. Shelton.
A. Good morning.
Q. Can you tell us your full name and address for the record this morning?
A.. Danny Lee Shelton. I live at ****************.

And later, while giving testimony as to his work and position at 3ABN:

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Suddenly I thought about Moses and the bible
who had been away from the people for 40 years, was 80
years old when he took the call and his previous wife
had been murdered and yet God used him.

I was confused by this.

Where in the Bible does it say that Moses had a previous wife that was murdered?

 Sometimes, especially when people don't speak clearly there are errors in transcripts. I know there have been several in the lawsuit, that even Pickle brought up. It makes much more sense if you consider that what was being conveyed about Moses was that in his previous *life* he was a *murderer*

It is also way more merciful and compassionate then claiming it is evidence he murdered his first wife...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on March 31, 2010, 04:33:10 PM

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

HYPOCRITE!  Cindy, I dare you to go back and review everything on your smut site and then see if you can honestly stand by these statements.  You certainly have a double standard.  You know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

But thank you, as you and your multiple personalities here are just adding fuel to my case.

As for 3D not being able to respond here, I'm willing to bet you will do a superb job of answering for him...wink, wink... ;) ;)



Diane,

3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.

I would like to say I think you have misunderstood..  Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.

Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...

What I am about is 3ABN in this instance.  Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that.  Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..


~ Cindy
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 31, 2010, 05:00:30 PM
The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.

But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you.  Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on March 31, 2010, 05:02:06 PM
Bite me..
Ian, foul language and crass references to your nether regions are absolutely forbidden on this forum. You should go wash your mouth out with soap. You will keep a civil tongue when speaking here, or you will not speak here at all. You will not be warned again.


 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

HYPOCRITE!  Cindy, I dare you to go back and review everything on your smut site and then see if you can honestly stand by these statements.  You certainly have a double standard.  You know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

But thank you, as you and your multiple personalities here are just adding fuel to my case.

As for 3D not being able to respond here, I'm willing to bet you will do a superb job of answering for him...wink, wink... ;) ;)



Diane,

3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.

I would like to say I think you have misunderstood..  Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.

Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...

What I am about is 3ABN in this instance.  Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that.  Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..


~ Cindy
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on March 31, 2010, 05:11:26 PM
No, thank you.  Did I hit a nerve?

I was tempted to delete this post, but I think I'll leave it here so all can see your true colors.

Toodles...



Bite me..

And Snoopy is right.


 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

HYPOCRITE!  Cindy, I dare you to go back and review everything on your smut site and then see if you can honestly stand by these statements.  You certainly have a double standard.  You know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

But thank you, as you and your multiple personalities here are just adding fuel to my case.

As for 3D not being able to respond here, I'm willing to bet you will do a superb job of answering for him...wink, wink... ;) ;)



Diane,

3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.

I would like to say I think you have misunderstood..  Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.

Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...

What I am about is 3ABN in this instance.  Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that.  Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..


~ Cindy
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 31, 2010, 08:40:59 PM
Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle?

After all this time, you still don't get it? Call risk management for any school or denomination out there. Ask them, "If I hear that someone has accused someone of child molestation, but the person has never been charged or convicted, I can't be sued if a child gets molested? Or if I do get sued, I can't lose, right?"

Whether Tommy is convicted or acquited is utterly irrelevant as far as Danny Shelton and 3ABN's incompetence in this matter is concerned!

For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that.  Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later

The letter I have always referred to is Glenn Dryden's May 2003 letter to Walt Thompson, which invited Walt to contact the alleged victims, their families, and the ordaining organizations. Walt inexcusably failed to contact any of them.

One of those alleged victims was Roger Clem, who came forward before Dryden wrote his letter. When Roger wrote his letter to Tommy is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 31, 2010, 08:53:51 PM
Sometimes, especially when people don't speak clearly there are errors in transcripts. I know there have been several in the lawsuit, that even Pickle brought up. It makes much more sense if you consider that what was being conveyed about Moses was that in his previous *life* he was a *murderer*

Why don't you get specific, and state what you think the sentence should be. It is easier to suggest a few different words than to suggest what the actual sentence should be. After stating the full sentence, then compare it with the transcript as is, and see how many syllables have to be added in one place or deleted from another place in order for your suggestion to work.

Also, it would be helpful if you could cite where Danny referred to someone's previous career as a "previous life." Otherwise, your suggestion sounds a bit like reincarnation.

Also helpful would be if you could identify other places in this transcript where the court reporter got wording wrong. Some court reporters are more careful than others. If one can't find any other possible glitches by this reporter, then this reporter may be fairly good, and that would make less likely your suggestion.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 04:07:45 AM
Bite me..

Quote from: Admin George
Ian, foul language and crass references to your nether regions are absolutely forbidden on this forum. You should go wash your mouth out with soap. You will keep a civil tongue when speaking here, or you will not speak here at all. You will not be warned again.

My apologies, as you found it offensive, George. I won't post that here again. Here was the meaning as I understood it though.
Quote
Wiktionary:
bite me   Interjection
 (idiomatic) An expression of discontent or aggravation to another party.

bite me  interjection
    * a command, similar to "Go to ..." (i.e. "Leave me alone!" "Go away!" etc.) Note: not considered especially vulgar, but usually considered inappropriate in more formal settings. --online slang dictionary.

Usuage: usually said in reply to an insult.
"your computer is slower than dirt", "bite me"

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 04:21:13 AM
Things I find annoying:

Seeing myself quoted, and appearing to say: And Snoopy is right.

Words I did not post and a concept I did not express.
Have all seen that as well, Snoopy?


No, thank you.  Did I hit a nerve?

I was tempted to delete this post, but I think I'll leave it here so all can see your true colors.

Toodles...



Bite me..

And Snoopy is right.


 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

HYPOCRITE!  Cindy, I dare you to go back and review everything on your smut site and then see if you can honestly stand by these statements.  You certainly have a double standard.  You know EXACTLY what I am talking about.

But thank you, as you and your multiple personalities here are just adding fuel to my case.

As for 3D not being able to respond here, I'm willing to bet you will do a superb job of answering for him...wink, wink... ;) ;)


Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 01, 2010, 04:31:22 AM
The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.

But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you.  Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 04:52:22 AM
The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.

But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you.  Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?

Ok, I meant no offense,  let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.

Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton)  in all the time that you have known him?

Yes___   No____  
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 05:28:17 AM
Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle?

After all this time, you still don't get it? Call risk management for any school or denomination out there. Ask them, "If I hear that someone has accused someone of child molestation, but the person has never been charged or convicted, I can't be sued if a child gets molested? Or if I do get sued, I can't lose, right?"

No, Bob. After all this time you still don't get it. You were given a brief explanation, and there is much you don't know. For example You don't know what it was that Danny said to Walt Thompson based on his understanding or even what was referred to, and what Danny's understanding was of it, except in part, and you don't know what the board discussed or decided apart from not following Drydens list of action items, and merely thanking him for fulfilling his duty to them. You in fact don't have any idea if they took precautions due to the allegations or not. You have assumed and surmised an awful lot and filled in the blanks with your negative ideas of what did or did not happen, and what was known or not known.

Quote from: Pickle
Whether Tommy is convicted or acquited is utterly irrelevant as far as Danny Shelton and 3ABN's incompetence in this matter is concerned!

Well if that is your view, why can you not understand that all the allegations and allegations you call "facts" which you have dug up and published  since 2006, have nothing to do with what happened in 2003? Why can't you comprehend that 3ABN did not engage in any cover up, especially of things which were not even known such as the two allegations leading to Tommy's arrest. Why can't you understand that a cover up involves hiding something? and that 3abn did not ever stop one person from filing a complaint or prevent any official investigations from occurring, and nor did they hide evidence or bury it regarding any allegations ? You have accused them of a crime, Bob. That was stated in the lawsuit, but you have never once proven that they in fact committed that crime, instead you have piled up a bunch of allegations and tried to pretend that proves it. It doesn't.


Quote from: Pickle
For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that.  Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later

The letter I have always referred to is Glenn Dryden's May 2003 letter to Walt Thompson, which invited Walt to contact the alleged victims, their families, and the ordaining organizations. Walt inexcusably failed to contact any of them.

One of those alleged victims was Roger Clem, who came forward before Dryden wrote his letter. When Roger wrote his letter to Tommy is irrelevant.

You have only Dryden's claim about that. Whereas you also have the claim that
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The allegations against Tommy were made ..years ago. They were reported to the proper authorities. No physical actions ever occured. Tommy appologized to the kids and offered recompence. The DA said there was no case. No restrictions were ever imposed. Tommy is employed by 3abn with full board approval, knowing the facts.

The board apparently checked into and verified those facts, did you ever bother to check with the DA, to check with the authorities and even try to understand the facts from all those years ago in regards to what was reported and why no charges were ever filed?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 01, 2010, 07:32:54 AM
Cindy, if 3ABN ever gets sued over their extreme negligence, I sure hope they don't retain you as their defense attorney.

You in fact don't have any idea if they took precautions due to the allegations or not.

Both the elementary school principal and the local pastor seemed clueless that there was an alleged pedophile named Tommy Shelton around. Thus, based on what they themselves told me, no precautions were taken other than to try to shut up the ones who were concerned through threats and intimidation.

Why can't you comprehend that 3ABN did not engage in any cover up, especially of things which were not even known such as the two allegations leading to Tommy's arrest.

And how do you know that they weren't known? How do you know? Dryden's 2003 action items specifically referred to Tommy's "deceit and inappropriate behavior" in Virginia. How do you know what specific incidents that was referring to?

And how do you know that Danny didn't know about it, even without the action items?

You have only Dryden's claim about that.

I also have Roger's claim about that, and I am sure Duane would correct the time line if it was wrong. You're grasping at straws with your speculation.

Whereas you also have the claim that
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The allegations against Tommy were made ..years ago. They were reported to the proper authorities. No physical actions ever occured. Tommy appologized to the kids and offered recompence. The DA said there was no case. No restrictions were ever imposed. Tommy is employed by 3abn with full board approval, knowing the facts.

The board apparently checked into and verified those facts, ....


Says who? If Walt never even talked to any of the alleged victims, how could the board he was chair of have ever checked into and verified the lie that the allegations were all 30 years old?

... did you ever bother to check with the DA, to check with the authorities and even try to understand the facts from all those years ago in regards to what was reported and why no charges were ever filed?

Your question is irrelevant. There are many allegations of child molestation from multiple states. Whether charges were filed or not is irrelevant to the question of civil liability, the question I raised in 2006, and the question I got sued for asking as 3ABN and Danny Shelton endeavored to cover up those allegations by shutting me up.

The 3ABN Board as a body joined with the unethical Danny Shelton in trying to cover up the child molestation allegations by voting to sue me because I had reported on those allegations. For the good of 3ABN, all those involved in such reprehensible actions should be shown the door. They should also be held accountable by their local churches.

Let the pope get caught covering up pedophilia, but let not one Seventh-day Adventist ever be caught endangering children by so doing.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on April 01, 2010, 09:28:27 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/30/eveningnews/main6348223.shtml
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 01, 2010, 10:00:29 AM
The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.

But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you.  Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?

Ok, I meant no offense,  let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.

Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton)  in all the time that you have known him?

Yes___   No____  
Did you actually think I was going to answer that?

Yes____ No____
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 10:45:31 AM
The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.

But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you.  Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?

Ok, I meant no offense,  let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.

Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton)  in all the time that you have known him?

Yes___   No____  
Did you actually think I was going to answer that?

Yes____ No____

Yes, I did.  Why wouldn't you? Aren't we all interested in the truth here? You jumped in fast enough to reply to sisters claims that an unnamed shelton was molested and claimed he existed as you knew him.

Let me ask you something else here as long as we are on the subject of accusations against TS related to the allegation he's a pedophile.

You were a member of his Church from the time you were about seven yrs old, right? You attended the Church school there where he was, became close as a minor, and were counseled by him, and even went on camping trips with him.  You objected to people saying you were molested by him as an adult on BSDA, claiming you had never said that. I understand that,  but in all the time while you knew him as a minor, from 7 yrs old till you turned 18, did he ever molest or abuse you?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 01, 2010, 10:53:52 AM
The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.

But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you.  Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?

Ok, I meant no offense,  let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.

Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton)  in all the time that you have known him?

Yes___   No____  
Did you actually think I was going to answer that?

Yes____ No____

Yes, I did.  Why wouldn't you? Aren't we all interested in the truth here? You jumped in fast enough to reply to sisters claims that an unnamed shelton was molested and claimed he existed as you knew him.

Let me ask you something else here as long as we are on the subject of accusations against TS related to the allegation he's a pedophile.

You were a member of his Church from the time you were about seven yrs old, right? You attended the Church school there where he was, became close as a minor, and were counseled by him, and even went on camping trips with him.  You objected to people saying you were molested by him as an adult on BSDA, claiming you had never said that. I understand that,  but in all the time while you knew him as a minor, from 7 yrs old till you turned 18, did he ever molest or abuse you?
Again, I'm not going to answer that, other than to say that I never said I went on camping trips with him. You're asking questions that I just don't feel the need to answer on the board. BTW, I won't answer over PM, either.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 11:59:32 AM
The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.

But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you.  Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?

Ok, I meant no offense,  let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.

Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton)  in all the time that you have known him?

Yes___   No____  
Did you actually think I was going to answer that?

Yes____ No____

Yes, I did.  Why wouldn't you? Aren't we all interested in the truth here? You jumped in fast enough to reply to sisters claims that an unnamed shelton was molested and claimed he existed as you knew him.

Let me ask you something else here as long as we are on the subject of accusations against TS related to the allegation he's a pedophile.

You were a member of his Church from the time you were about seven yrs old, right? You attended the Church school there where he was, became close as a minor, and were counseled by him, and even went on camping trips with him.  You objected to people saying you were molested by him as an adult on BSDA, claiming you had never said that. I understand that,  but in all the time while you knew him as a minor, from 7 yrs old till you turned 18, did he ever molest or abuse you?
Again, I'm not going to answer that, other than to say that I never said I went on camping trips with him. You're asking questions that I just don't feel the need to answer on the board. BTW, I won't answer over PM, either.

I am sorry, I merely assumed -wrongly as it turns out- that the overnight trips you took with him were camping trips as I believe it was said that Tommy occasionally did that somewhere else.

You don't have to answer questions -from me... In any case you already answered my questions, in your email to Bob Pickle which has been published and filed in court, and. I just wanted to know if you were going to change that story now, or if there was cause to, so that all the facts are on the table.

Duane Clem:
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...Tommy Shelton was my pastor for many years at the Ezra Church of God in West Frankfort, IL. I began attending with my mother, sister and two brothers around 1974 or so, and my father became a Christian and began coming with us shortly after I graduated from high school in 1984. Tommy and I were never really close until I began attending the Christian school our church operated. Over the next few years, we would spend a lot of time talking, as I was dealing with depression issues and he was counseling me. When the General Assembly of the Church of God in Illinois decided to suspend Tommy's ministerial credentials in 1985, I was one of several who wrote a letter in his defense. I was also questioned by a detective at the West Frankfort Police Department. I had been on a few overnight trips with him, and gave testimony that nothing had happened that would substantiate the allegations being made against him. At the time, this was true...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on April 01, 2010, 12:21:11 PM
No, no, Cindy. I am not purely taking Bob's word on anything.  I have not forgotten that there was an admission of guilt in the form of at least one letter of apology.  His family knew, , his brother knew and still allowed him to be far too close to other people's children.  I have also not forgotten that initially TS/DS supporters gave that

I am just curious, under what circumstances would you find TS not guilty if he was having sex or any inappropriate sexual behavior with a minor?  I guess I am asking because you said that I didn't know the details, and in my mind, if he has already admitted to this wrong doing, then there are no mitigating circumstances under which he would be found not guilty by the law.  Plus having the authorities finding enough reason for arresting and chargin him after their extensive investigation.  That is not just Bob's word.  Truth is even if he considered the minor as "consenting"(which some of these poor misguided souls do), the law doesn't see it that way.  He was the grown up and should have known better.





Diane,

3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.

I would like to say I think you have misunderstood..  Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.

Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...

What I am about is 3ABN in this instance.  Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that.  Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..


~ Cindy
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 12:43:59 PM
No, no, Cindy. I am not purely taking Bob's word on anything.  I have not forgotten that there was an admission of guilt in the form of at least one letter of apology.  His family knew, , his brother knew and still allowed him to be far too close to other people's children.  I have also not forgotten that initially TS/DS supporters gave that

Yes both sides agree it was wrong. The apology was to Duane Clem but it wasn't concerning anything which occured when Duane was underage, Duane was 19 or 20, so the apology is not really applicable to the allegation that Tommy is a pedophile or the allegations that he sexualy molested children or minors, or the claim that TS ever admitted to molesting or abusing a minor/child.


Quote from: Princess di
I am just curious, under what circumstances would you find TS not guilty if he was having sex or any inappropriate sexual behavior with a minor?  

IF he was, or did, then as far as I am concerned there is no excuse or circumstance which would justify or excuse it that I can think of..

Quote
I guess I am asking because you said that I didn't know the details, and in my mind, if he has already admitted to this wrong doing, then there are no mitigating circumstances under which he would be found not guilty by the law.  Plus having the authorities finding enough reason for arresting and chargin him after their extensive investigation.  That is not just Bob's word.  Truth is even if he considered the minor as "consenting"(which some of these poor misguided souls do), the law doesn't see it that way.  He was the grown up and should have known better.[/color]

Well the deal is he has been accused by Pickle and Dryden of things from his past which were already investigated by both the church of God and the Police, and no charges were filed. The DA said "No case"

He has been accused by them also of other allegations where no victim has ever made a statement or filed a complaint, and for which we only have their word.

As far as the current situation , well he has been charged, but that thorough investigation never included questioning him. The detective issued the warrants but they didn't have to go through the DA in Virginia.
So yes there are charges, but what the case and evidence against him is remains to be seen, and what his story and defense is remains to be seen, and what the court decides and rules also remains to be seen.

I myself have taken a wait and see approach to it all. I am not saying one way or another as I believe the truth will be established and justice done.

I have said all along that the authorities should handle it- as in both his church and civil law enforcement and social services. That is the only way the truth of it all is ever going to be established imo.

anyway, my two cents. :)

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on April 01, 2010, 12:44:59 PM
Cndy, I have to go with Bob on this one.  In Calfiornia I know that teachers, pastors, etc. are responsible as reporting parties, and if it is found out that they didn't report they are in big trouble.  If the law is the same in IL, then Danny placed not only the children in jeopardy, but also the careers of the reporting parties that worked at 3ABN.  This is far more than some dirty little family secret.

Also, I don't believe you can use the excuse that this is just Bob's or Mr. Dryden's word any more.  The authorities have acted on this.  If anything, in this case, they are close to being right.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 12:59:04 PM
Cndy, I have to go with Bob on this one.  In Calfiornia I know that teachers, pastors, etc. are responsible as reporting parties, and if it is found out that they didn't report they are in big trouble.  If the law is the same in IL, then Danny placed not only the children in jeopardy, but also the careers of the reporting parties that worked at 3ABN.  This is far more than some dirty little family secret.

Also, I don't believe you can use the excuse that this is just Bob's or Mr. Dryden's word any more.  The authorities have acted on this.  If anything, in this case, they are close to being right.

Well even if Danny was a Pastor (he's not) Danny and 3ABN had nothing to report. The incidents they looked into which were at the Church of God, not 3abn, were already reported, investigated, and as I said "no case". Nothing occured or happened in their care or under their watch. In fact, not just 3ABN, but no SDA conference Church or membership has any alleged victims of child molestation by Tommy Shelton, nor any complaints filed by any adult on behalf of a minor or child. Nothing.

Pastor Dryden, and Pastor Bob are the ones who claim to have all the facts but never reported it, Diane.

And even weirder as this all originated with Dryden (who sent all to Pickle) even The Church of God which Dryden pastored and where the newer, non inreported, non investigated alleged incidents were supposed to have occured in Virginia didn't have the info.

Pickle posted their board minute report, a meeting about 3 or 4 years after their Pastor (Dryden) had contacted 3ABN about Tommy, and they ( the VA church of God) consulted a lawyer and decided under his advice to treat all their Pastor was saying ( and Pickle was repeating and publishing)as hearsay, until and if they received a statement or complaint from an alleged victim.

I have been looking for that document and where it is filed and can't find it at the moment.

The 2 with the complaints against Tommy now apparently never made a statement or complaint , according to the new report till 2008.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on April 01, 2010, 01:02:06 PM
Ok, but TS was not arrested for having sex with a 19, 20 year old, but for pedophilia.  And even in Duane's case, TS was a grown and married pastor, so he was just wrong out of the gate because is all those instances, he should have known better.  At the very least, he abused his position of authority.  So, Duane still has a point, even if you all want to only address once he became a consenting adult.  However, I believe that is part of the issue, right?







Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on April 01, 2010, 01:07:51 PM
Actually, the reporting comes in even before something happens.  It is also a preventative measure.  As Bob says, I don't believe the resident risk management entity at 3ABN would have wanted to take on that risk.  Lots of pedophiles have gone places with children and thankfully, nothing has happened, but who wants to knowingly take that chance?  Would you? I wouldn't.

And you are correct, if indeed, Bob(who somebody said is or was a pastor) and Pastor Dryden( and anyone else) knew these facts and did not report, they are also in violation, and party to any incident that occurred after their knowledge.



Well even if Danny was a Pastor (he's not) Danny and 3ABN had nothing to report. Nothing occured or happened in their care or under their watch. In fact, not just 3ABN, but no SDA conference Church or membership has any alleged victims of Tommy Shelton, nor complaints filed by any adult on behalf of a minor or child. Nothing.

Pastor Dryden, and Pastor Bob are the ones who claim to have all the facts but never reported it, Diane.

And even weirder as this all originated with Dryden (who sent all to Pickle) even The Church of God which Dryden pastored and where the alleged incidents were supposed to have occured in Virginia didn't have the info.

Pickle posted their board minute report, a meeting about 3 or 4 years after their Pastor (Dryden) had contacted 3ABN about Tommy, and they ( the VA church of God) consulted a lawyer and decided under his advice to treat all their Pastor was saying ( and Pickle was repeating and publishing)as hearsay, until and if they received a statement or complaint from an alleged victim.

I have been looking for that document and where it is filed and can't find it at the moment.

The 2 with the complaints against Tommy now apparently never made a statement or complaint , according to the new report till 2008.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 01, 2010, 01:15:35 PM
You don't have to answer questions -from me... In any case you already answered my questions, in your email to Bob Pickle which has been published and filed in court, and. I just wanted to know if you were going to change that story now, or if there was cause to, so that all the facts are on the table.
And just what is that supposed to mean? You really have a sick mind, you know that?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 01:22:16 PM
Ok, but TS was not arrested for having sex with a 19, 20 year old, but for pedophilia.  And even in Duane's case, TS was a grown and married pastor, so he was just wrong out of the gate because is all those instances, he should have known better.  At the very least, he abused his position of authority.  So, Duane still has a point, even if you all want to only address once he became a consenting adult.  However, I believe that is part of the issue, right?

Ok, now I just give up.


Everyone says Tommy's relationship with Duane was wrong on all accounts, even Tommy says that, but it has nothing to do with child molestation nor Tommy being a pedophile. The Duane thing has been used all along to cloud the issues and justify the allegations of child molestation against Tommy and to claim that Tommy admitted he was guilty of child molestation.. It needs to stop! It is a totally separate issue.

Yes he is charged now,but chargedt does not equal being guilty, believe me I know.

I was in an abusive marriage for 20 years and it was hard to escape when I called the police for help and was arrested myself as my husband lied, even when I had all the bruises etc.. My neighbors called and again I was arrested.

I had done Nothing! In one case it was dropped before I ever went to court, in another it was thrown out of court and dismissed at the arraignment.

These things happen.

Now people can jump up and say I was arrested for assault and accuse me all they want, but that doesn't make me guilty.   ****************************************

but anyway-- believe as you choose. I have nothing else to say, except if we live in an age where a socalled investigation and charge indicates guilt before the accused is even heard from or a defence allowed and offered,then we have returned to the dark ages and inquisitions. I want no part of it.



Edited to remove inappropriate content. 




Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 01, 2010, 01:49:23 PM
Ok, but TS was not arrested for having sex with a 19, 20 year old, but for pedophilia.  And even in Duane's case, TS was a grown and married pastor, so he was just wrong out of the gate because is all those instances, he should have known better.  At the very least, he abused his position of authority.  So, Duane still has a point, even if you all want to only address once he became a consenting adult.  However, I believe that is part of the issue, right?

Ok, now I just give up.


Everyone says Tommy's relationship with Duane was wrong on all accounts, even Tommy says that, but it has nothing to do with child molestation nor Tommy being a pedophile. The Duane thing has been used all along to cloud the issues and justify the allegations of child molestation against Tommy and to claim that Tommy admitted he was guilty of child molestation.. It needs to stop! It is a totally separate issue.

Yes he is charged now,but chargedt does not equal being guilty, believe me I know.

I was in an abusive marriage for 20 years and it was hard to escape when I called the police for help and was arrested myself as my husband lied, even when I had all the bruises etc.. My neighbors called and again I was arrested.

I had done Nothing! In one case it was dropped before I ever went to court, in another it was thrown out of court and dismissed at the arraignment.

These things happen.

Now people can jump up and say I was arrested for assault and accuse me all they want, but that doesn't make me guilty.   ****************************************

but anyway-- believe as you choose. I have nothing else to say, except if we live in an age where a socalled investigation and charge indicates guilt before the accused is even heard from or a defence allowed and offered,then we have returned to the dark ages and inquisitions. I want no part of it.



Edited to remove inappropriate content. 





I'll tell you what needs to stop. It's you and the rest of your whole wad defending this man. You claim you have never met him or any of the victims. Fine, Then DROP IT! I, for one, am sick and tired of your word games and fact twisting. You're here for one reason and one reason only, and that's to stir the pot. Well, you have your own site where all that kind of bilge seems to be welcome, so go do it there. Your defense of wrongdoing while all the time trying to convince everyone you just "want what's right" is disgusting.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 01, 2010, 02:02:47 PM
The apology was to Duane Clem but it wasn't concerning anything which occured when Duane was underage, Duane was 19 or 20, so the apology is not really applicable to the allegation that Tommy is a pedophile or the allegations that he sexualy molested children or minors, or the claim that TS ever admitted to molesting or abusing a minor/child.

False, once again. The 1998 quasi-confession letter admitted to causing pain in people's lives when Duane hadn't even come forward yet. What pain do you think Tommy was talking about there? I would think it would have to be referring to the allegations of child molestation.

Remember also that Sherry Avery said she caught Tommy in a house not belonging to him, with a boy, with a bed a bit messed up.

The DA said "No case"

Either produce a letter from the DA saying such, or quite making such an assertion based only on the testimony of a proven liar.

I myself have taken a wait and see approach to it all.

No you haven't. You've repeatedly made a rush to judgment, as in declaring what the DA determined, when you have provided no evidence from the DA to support your statement.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 03:01:27 PM
Ok, but TS was not arrested for having sex with a 19, 20 year old, but for pedophilia.  And even in Duane's case, TS was a grown and married pastor, so he was just wrong out of the gate because is all those instances, he should have known better.  At the very least, he abused his position of authority.  So, Duane still has a point, even if you all want to only address once he became a consenting adult.  However, I believe that is part of the issue, right?

Ok, now I just give up.


Everyone says Tommy's relationship with Duane was wrong on all accounts, even Tommy says that, but it has nothing to do with child molestation nor Tommy being a pedophile. The Duane thing has been used all along to cloud the issues and justify the allegations of child molestation against Tommy and to claim that Tommy admitted he was guilty of child molestation.. It needs to stop! It is a totally separate issue.

...
I'll tell you what needs to stop. It's you and the rest of your whole wad defending this man. You claim you have never met him or any of the victims. Fine, Then DROP IT! I, for one, am sick and tired of your word games and fact twisting. You're here for one reason and one reason only, and that's to stir the pot. Well, you have your own site where all that kind of bilge seems to be welcome, so go do it there. Your defense of wrongdoing while all the time trying to convince everyone you just "want what's right" is disgusting.


What word games? What fact twisting? What defence of wrong doing? Be specific. Answer simple questions for once, Duane!

As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view. I also think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.

I think the fact that I am not insulting you, nor accusing you in any way in regards to Tommy , and am , and have, only asked you questions designed to get the facts and the truth and allow you to express that,and keep saying so and trying to show that while being labelled a liar; while you refuse to answer, and want me and others to shut up and go away, is wrong. You are in a discussion group,and have been for years now, that involves questions and answers!

I think, you are helping none but yourself by doing that.

What do YOU really want, if not the truth? It can't be an apology, nor anything else offered to help you, for you've had that, more than once, from Tommy, and refused both.

What is your deal?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on April 01, 2010, 03:33:55 PM
Sorry that happened to you, and I also  understand that things get skewed very quickly.  However, the difference is that the police reacted immediately, and wrongly in your case. and in the case of TS they took their sweet time to build a case. 

About Duane, well he is here and well capable of speaking for himself, he has done an excellent job so far.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 03:40:54 PM
Sorry that happened to you, and I also  understand that things get skewed very quickly.  However, the difference is that the police reacted immediately, and wrongly in your case. and in the case of TS they took their sweet time to build a case. 

About Duane, well he is here and well capable of speaking for himself, he has done an excellent job so far.

Thanks. :)+We have disagreed and will disagree again I'm sure, (lol) but you area good girl in my book and I have come to appreciate that and you.
hugs...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on April 01, 2010, 03:42:59 PM
Ditto, Gurl!  HUGS!!!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 01, 2010, 03:48:44 PM
What word games? What fact twisting? What defence of wrong doing? Be specific. Answer simple questions for once, Duane!

As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view.


I think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.

I think the fact that I am not insulting you, nor accusing you in any way in regards to Tommy , and am , and have, only asked you questions designed to get the facts and the truth and allow you to express that, while you want me and others to shut up and go away, is wrong. You are in a discussion group,and have been for years now, that involves questions and answers!

I think, you are helping none but yourself by doing that.

What do YOU really want, if not the truth? It can't be an apology, nor anything else offered to help you, for you've had that, more than once, from Tommy.

What is your deal?
Let's get something straight, Cindy. I do not HAVE to answer any questions from you. The details that I am going to release are already in my statement and elsewhere that I have posted. Furthermore, I really don't give a flip whether you believe me or think I'm credible.

I am NOT frightened or intimidated by the prospect of having to testify in court. I have been in court literally hundreds of times and have testified numerous times as well, in both criminal and civil cases. If you or anyone else thinks that I'm going to crumble due to your insinuations that I may appear before a judge, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

You can let Danny know next time the two of you correspond.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on April 01, 2010, 03:53:10 PM
I was in an abusive marriage for 20 years and it was hard to escape when I called the police for help and was arrested myself as my husband lied, even when I had all the bruises etc.. My neighbors called and again I was arrested.

I had done Nothing! In one case it was dropped before I ever went to court, in another it was thrown out of court and dismissed at the arraignment.

These things happen.

Now people can jump up and say I was arrested for assault and accuse me all they want,

It must have hurt, Cindy
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 04:00:52 PM
What word games? What fact twisting? What defence of wrong doing? Be specific. Answer simple questions for once, Duane!

As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view.


I think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.

I think the fact that I am not insulting you, nor accusing you in any way in regards to Tommy , and am , and have, only asked you questions designed to get the facts and the truth and allow you to express that, while you want me and others to shut up and go away, is wrong. You are in a discussion group,and have been for years now, that involves questions and answers!

I think, you are helping none but yourself by doing that.

What do YOU really want, if not the truth? It can't be an apology, nor anything else offered to help you, for you've had that, more than once, from Tommy.

What is your deal?
Let's get something straight, Cindy. I do not HAVE to answer any questions from you. The details that I am going to release are already in my statement and elsewhere that I have posted. Furthermore, I really don't give a flip whether you believe me or think I'm credible.

I am NOT frightened or intimidated by the prospect of having to testify in court. I have been in court literally hundreds of times and have testified numerous times as well, in both criminal and civil cases. If you or anyone else thinks that I'm going to crumble due to your insinuations that I may appear before a judge, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

You can let Danny know next time the two of you correspond.

"Paranoia will destroy ya"

1Jo 4:18     There is no fear in love; but perfect love  casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 04:32:10 PM
I was in an abusive marriage for 20 years and it was hard to escape when I called the police for help and was arrested myself as my husband lied, even when I had all the bruises etc.. My neighbors called and again I was arrested.

I had done Nothing! In one case it was dropped before I ever went to court, in another it was thrown out of court and dismissed at the arraignment.

These things happen.

Now people can jump up and say I was arrested for assault and accuse me all they want,

It must have hurt, Cindy

Of course it hurt, and his betrayal of our vows hurt even more. Sometimes so much so that the very thought of it doubled me over in physical pain. I forgave him, I thought, because I knew I needed to. But, and this is an important and vital thing. I knew the Lord could take my burdens, and I knew the Lord could take my pain and promised He would never give me more than I could bear, and I always prayed for that and believed it,  but I never experienced it for myself till I prayed one night  and confessed I could take it no more. I was a hurting unit, and at my ropes end, and I asked him to take my pain away, and I claimed those promises.

I awoke the next morning literally renewed. It was late winter/early spring and snow outside and bitterly cold the night before, yet that morning, warm sunbeams hit me through my window as I awoke. I heard the newly arrived birds singing the arrival of spring and I knew and I felt it in my heart that  I had finally really forgiven my ex-husband and that all my pain was gone. I have never forgot what happened but I have never since hurt because of it, and I have never since been angry.I will always remember that miracle in my life and how My lord healed me.

Our God is so good.

Years later my ex-husbands apologies came. :)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Emma on April 01, 2010, 05:06:42 PM
Thank you for that testimony, Ian.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 01, 2010, 06:33:41 PM
Thank you for that testimony, Ian.

No problem, we all need to do that when it comes up, as it so often does, He is good. :)

But I didn't mean, and don't intend to take any one here offtopic  by sharing that...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 01, 2010, 08:10:06 PM
Would you not think that you should give as much credence to the testimony of Duane, Roger, Brad, Alex, Greg, T.D., J.H., D.C., Vicki, Sherry, A.L., Barbara, and all the rest as you would like to be given to your testimony? Would that not be putting into practice the golden rule?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 01, 2010, 08:27:34 PM
"Paranoia will destroy ya"

1Jo 4:18     There is no fear in love; but perfect love  casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
What was that about? I just told you I'm not afraid or intimidated. I'm not paranoid, either. I'm just sick of you spouting off when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I'm tired of being silent and sitting by, hoping you'll eventually hush. You obviously aren't going to do that, so now you're going to hear what I think of your nonsense.

BTW, you probably shouldn't be bothering Danny with this stuff anyway. I hear he has his hands full with other matters these days.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 02, 2010, 04:37:05 AM
"Paranoia will destroy ya"

1Jo 4:18     There is no fear in love; but perfect love  casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
What was that about? I just told you I'm not afraid or intimidated. I'm not paranoid, either. I'm just sick of you spouting off when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I'm tired of being silent and sitting by, hoping you'll eventually hush. You obviously aren't going to do that, so now you're going to hear what I think of your nonsense.

BTW, you probably shouldn't be bothering Danny with this stuff anyway. I hear he has his hands full with other matters these days.

I am not now, nor have I ever been, in communication with Danny Shelton about this, Duane.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 02, 2010, 07:38:05 AM
"Paranoia will destroy ya"

1Jo 4:18     There is no fear in love; but perfect love  casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
What was that about? I just told you I'm not afraid or intimidated. I'm not paranoid, either. I'm just sick of you spouting off when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I'm tired of being silent and sitting by, hoping you'll eventually hush. You obviously aren't going to do that, so now you're going to hear what I think of your nonsense.

BTW, you probably shouldn't be bothering Danny with this stuff anyway. I hear he has his hands full with other matters these days.

I am not now, nor have I ever been, in communication with Danny Shelton about this, Duane.
Right.  ;)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: sonshineonme on April 02, 2010, 09:09:53 AM
Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.


"Paranoia will destroy ya"

1Jo 4:18     There is no fear in love; but perfect love  casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
What was that about? I just told you I'm not afraid or intimidated. I'm not paranoid, either. I'm just sick of you spouting off when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I'm tired of being silent and sitting by, hoping you'll eventually hush. You obviously aren't going to do that, so now you're going to hear what I think of your nonsense.

BTW, you probably shouldn't be bothering Danny with this stuff anyway. I hear he has his hands full with other matters these days.

I am not now, nor have I ever been, in communication with Danny Shelton about this, Duane.
Right.  ;)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 02, 2010, 09:44:29 AM
Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.
Yes. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 02, 2010, 09:56:20 AM
See? Here's the thing. I have posted on the boards for about 3 years now, I have posted a statement and numerous emails and other correspondence. Yet somehow, I'm "hiding from the truth" when I won't answer questions from someone I don't even know, and often who doesn't even have the courage to post their name. Someone who won't identify themselves needn't ask me anything to begin with.

And by the way, Cindy, I don't ever remember demanding that Danny or anyone else from 3ABN answer questions on the forums, as you so claim. If you find any evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: GRAT on April 02, 2010, 10:49:34 AM
There is an excellent article from Time Mag. entitled "How Benedict Should Handle the Sex Abuse Scandal".  The line that struck me the most in regards to the TS cover up was: "Rather than another mea culpa (which has not happened in the TS case) for the sins of the abusers, the Pope must simply and publicly (italics mine) seek forgiveness for himself  - and other bishops - for what we might call the sins of ignorance and denial and administrative malfeasance that some critics say border on the criminal".  In the end the author did not give much hope of this Pope doing so.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 02, 2010, 11:15:43 AM
Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.
Yes. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.

 
Here you go, from Encarta:   
Quote
communication
noun
Definition:
 
1. exchange of information: the exchange of information between people, e.g. by means of speaking, writing, or using a common system of signs or behavior

2. message: a spoken or written message

3. act of communicating: the communicating of information

4. rapport: a sense of mutual understanding and sympathy

5. access: a means of access or communication.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 02, 2010, 11:26:47 AM
Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.
Yes. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.

 
Here you go, from Encarta:   
Quote
communication
noun
Definition:
 
1. exchange of information: the exchange of information between people, e.g. by means of speaking, writing, or using a common system of signs or behavior

2. message: a spoken or written message

3. act of communicating: the communicating of information

4. rapport: a sense of mutual understanding and sympathy

5. access: a means of access or communication.

Hmmm. Didn't say anything about emails or PMs.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 02, 2010, 11:35:08 AM
See? Here's the thing. I have posted on the boards for about 3 years now, I have posted a statement and numerous emails and other correspondence. Yet somehow, I'm "hiding from the truth" when I won't answer questions from someone I don't even know, and often who doesn't even have the courage to post their name. Someone who won't identify themselves needn't ask me anything to begin with.

Ummm,  hello... you don't ever require that anonymous posters or anonymous sources attacking 3ABN identify themselves, but in any case I have posted and you do know my name. And I hope you aren't attributing that quote that you are "hiding from the truth" to me for I never said that.

Here is what I asked you:

The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.

But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you.  Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?

Ok, I meant no offense,  let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.

Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton)  in all the time that you have known him?

Yes___   No____  
Did you actually think I was going to answer that?

Yes____ No____

Yes, I did.  Why wouldn't you? Aren't we all interested in the truth here? You jumped in fast enough to reply to sisters claims that an unnamed shelton was molested and claimed he existed as you knew him.

...

and

Quote
What do YOU really want, if not the truth? It can't be an apology, nor anything else offered to help you, for you've had that, more than once, from Tommy, and refused both.

What is your deal?


And by the way, Cindy, I don't ever remember demanding that Danny or anyone else from 3ABN answer questions on the forums, as you so claim. If you find any evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.

and btw I also I never claimed that, Duane. I was referring to your replies to anyone asking you any questions on this forum or the other forums such as BSDA or Christian forums.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 02, 2010, 11:39:59 AM
As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view. I also think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 02, 2010, 11:43:29 AM
Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.
Yes. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.

 
Here you go, from Encarta:   
Quote
communication
noun
Definition:
 
1. exchange of information: the exchange of information between people, e.g. by means of speaking, writing, or using a common system of signs or behavior

2. message: a spoken or written message

3. act of communicating: the communicating of information

4. rapport: a sense of mutual understanding and sympathy

5. access: a means of access or communication.

Hmmm. Didn't say anything about emails or PMs.

This is absurdly paranoid on your part as far as I am concerned!

Does this work for you?


I am not now, nor have I ever been, in communication with Danny Shelton about this, Duane. That means I am not now, nor have I ever communicated with Danny Shelton about this ( this meaning: Tommy, you or anything related to the allegations against Tommy) whether orally in person, or by phone, walkie talkie, by email, pms by letter, by carrier pigeon, through a third party or any other form of communication you can think of.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 02, 2010, 11:45:21 AM
As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view. I also think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.

Read this again:
I was referring to your replies to anyone asking you any questions on this forum or the other forums such as BSDA or Christian forums.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 02, 2010, 11:46:17 AM
LOL! Now you see how irritating it is when someone picks apart every little thing you say.

Maybe you'll remember that in the future.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 02, 2010, 11:49:37 AM
LOL! Now you see how irritating it is when someone picks apart every little thing you say.

Maybe you'll remember that in the future.

oh for pity's sake. Grow up, and take a lesson yourself. At least I have the courtesy to answer you.



Have a good weekend all...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 02, 2010, 11:50:54 AM
LOL! Now you see how irritating it is when someone picks apart every little thing you say.

Maybe you'll remember that in the future.

oh for pity's sake. Grow up, and take a lesson yourself. At least I have the courtesy to answer you.



Have a good weekend all...
Hey, if you can't stand the heat, ....well, you know the rest.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 02, 2010, 01:09:35 PM
The five felony arrest warrants are available at http://www.save-3abn.com/news-releases-tommy-shelton-arrested.htm (http://www.save-3abn.com/news-releases-tommy-shelton-arrested.htm).
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Sister on April 02, 2010, 01:09:58 PM
The following was posted on BSDA on the 19th of February, 2007 by PJMusic:

Quote
First of all,I want to say how difficult it is to type this. I have been friends with Tommy's kids for a very long time. They are wonderful kids and I really feel sorry for them for all that they are having to go through. I have nothing to gain by writing this, but feel I should, as I was part of the Ezra congregation and my family was impacted by this as well. Some of you on this board don't believe what has happened, but I can tell you that as a teenager who was in this church, and what I was able to see, there is truth to these allegations.

I first started attending Ezra Church of God in 1974. I remember Tommy Shelton coming to my house and inviting my family to church. I was outside playing when this happened. From then, until 1987 I attended the church, except for about a span of a year or so between that time, during the mid-80's when the scandal hit.

I started attending the Ezra Church of God Christian School when I was 13. I was a classmate of Brad Dunning, Duane, Roger, Scott, Ricky, Greg, etc. These guys were my friends also, as we played basketball together, sang together, etc. I knew Ricky since he was about 5 or 6. Greg was one of my best friends.

I also recall the day when Brad stopped going to the school. Around this time I had heard rumors of what might be happening.

I watched as the split of the church took place in mid-80's and watched as my family was shunned by the church as they had sided with the few who believed the accusations were true. Many mean things came my family's way after all this happened. My family was friends with Sherry and others who were against Tommy. We had stopped attending the church for a time, although I myself went back, because of my involvement with different parts of the church at that time, like music and I lived with a family that attended the church as well. I remember well the "nervous breakdown" Tommy had. I also watched as certain teen guys seemed to always be with him, driving with him, pulling up in the same vehicle with him. I would watch as they would just follow behind and go straight back to Tommy's office before evening church service would begin. I even remember the song Tommy wrote during this breakdown called Sometimes I Just Want to go Home. I even remember the lyrics.

For some unknown reason in around 1984 or 85, Tommy bought me a new pair of black shoes. I remember us going up to Payless to get them. I felt good wearing them, because my other shoes were not that great and getting new shoes for me was really unaffordable with me family.

I have been on a trip to a music studio in Flora. I also was offered to drive but declined as I didn't feel comfortable. I remember being at the studio. (Their fridge only had TAB soda). For some reason, I was allowed to miss school to go on this trip.
On the drive back, Tommy asked me a strange question. He asked me if I wanted to ask him some personal questions. This made me feel quite uncomfortable, even at that age. I was not close to anyone, even my parents, so right away did not feel right even saying anything personal. The best thing I could come up with was "Do you think it's ok to have a girlfriend?". After his quick explanation of if it was ok (can't remember the answer), he pressed me once more for personal questions, which I had none I wanted to ask. It just all seemed awkward to me.

I have thus far never spoken of what I am about to write to anyone, but in light of what has come up, I feel I had to bring it up. I didn't feel comfortable discussing that type of thing back then so I remained quiet. I did not want confrontation.
I myself was never a victim. However I was told by one of the guys who has not come forward of what had happened to him. He told me once about something Tommy says to help gain trust. It's a story of David and Jonathan, and how the bible talks about a "special love" between them. Tommy then compares this to him and this guy. He then tells me that after that, Tommy asks for this guy to do something for him. This all took place in the mid 80's, when I was about 15 or 16. I won't go in detail as to what was asked and done further to him, but it is along the lines of Duane's letter.

I am not sure why I stayed with Ezra even after my family left due to the scandal that started. My own family was disappointed in me when they found out that I had started attending there again. I already knew the things against Tommy at this time, but still I stayed, maybe feeling that as long as it never happened to me, then it's ok. The only friends I ever knew attended there. Without going there, I had no friends. I had always had this jealousy at the time that I was never included in anything that the other guys had, like being asked to sing, or participate in things. Maybe it was because I didn't sing good. I played piano, which ironically was inspired to me by Tommy.

As for Danny, well I can only give personal views on him. I didn't really care to much for him, as he did construction on the school and would play basketball with the team during P.E. He was a good shooter though but on a personal level, well he seemed quite demanding and cocky.

I really don't know what to think about all this. Some relief perhaps as I know of victims who have not come forward, many who were my friends. I only hope that something finally gets done so there can be some closure.

I am not religious, and as of now have not intention of being religious, although I have some values. My mind is always in gospel music even though I could never live that lifestyle. But I do hope that the right thing is done. I truly feel that I could have been a victim because there are similarities as to what favors were done for me to gain trust that had also happened to my friends. Tommy is a very convincing individual and knows how to gain trust. As ne who once attended Ezra and a friend of these victims from Ezra, we do need closure.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 02, 2010, 02:07:58 PM
I had a nice chat with PJ just the other day. Seems like a nice guy.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on April 02, 2010, 03:40:15 PM
Does this mean that Tommy cannot stay anywhere else than within the state of Virginia for a while?

I feel bad for Tommy. He and I were together in 6 different countries. You get a special feeling for a person when you travel and eat together, staying at the same quarters, watching 3ABN together where his daughter was singing, and afterward he expressed his happiness that she did so well.

Danny and Linda were traveling as well - and we all had a great time together, most of the time. People came to me requesting to join our company, as I was making our travel plans.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 02, 2010, 05:04:10 PM
Does this mean that Tommy cannot stay anywhere else than within the state of Virginia for a while?

I feel bad for Tommy. He and I were together in 6 different countries. You get a special feeling for a person when you travel and eat together, staying at the same quarters, watching 3ABN together where his daughter was singing, and afterward he expressed his happiness that she did so well.

Danny and Linda were traveling as well - and we all had a great time together, most of the time. People came to me requesting to join our company, as I was making our travel plans.

There is no question that Tommy is extremely talented and has numerous good qualities. This just goes to show how one sin can destroy you and those around you.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on April 02, 2010, 08:27:29 PM
Hi Guys,
Quick Question,- Why wasn't Brother Wood,Pastor of Dunn Loring, made aware of Tommy's past problems and of the suspension of his license while he was in Illinois? Did the church there cover it up or did Pastor Wood just not ask the right questions?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on April 02, 2010, 09:22:20 PM
Until tonight, talking about this situation with a friend, a long buried painful memory arose. Why it took so long, I don't know.  When I was 12 or 13, a trusted counselor of our Youth church camp, Sunday School Teacher and someone loved by all the kids.. tried to sexually molest me. I was able to tell her "No, that I didn't like it" and she took it ok. But I wonder to this day, how many other girls this happened to over the years and how many others weren't able to tell her no. I never told anyone, because I believed no one would believe me. I understand how these boys must have felt and are feeling. When it is someone like this woman was...Even if an adult would have believed me, the other kids would have ostracized me, and I had a hard enough time as it was fitting in, because I was a"nerd" and not part of the "family" or the "in crowd"
For years afterward, I lived with guilt, partly for what she did to me, but also for not telling, because she had a daughter, and I often wondered if she hurt her daughter and after I became a mother I agonized over this. I could only pray and ask God to forgive me, for not doing something then as a child.
As children,we feel so helpless- the statute of limitations should NEVER RUN OUT on PEDIOPHILES :amen:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on April 03, 2010, 04:59:34 AM
Best place for them to hide is in the church. There was a woman that I knew too in the church and she molested her own. Have no idea where she is at today. I think she must have gotten away with it. It is a grave sick feeling to have to see this come from within the church.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Fran on April 04, 2010, 11:21:00 PM

As children,we feel so helpless- the statute of limitations should NEVER RUN OUT on PEDIOPHILES  :amen:

Amen and Amen again! 

There are many other crimes that need to have no statute of limitations attached to them too.  May God take care of this mess once and for all.  It is time.  I want to be able to see how God works this out for his honor and glory before Jesus waits no longer and comes to take his chosen home with him.  Time is short.  So come Lord Jesus!  Maranatha
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 05, 2010, 05:31:20 AM
The heavenly court has no statute of limitations, but it does have a lenient and generous commutation program that most folks want nothing to do with.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on April 05, 2010, 08:15:49 AM
Who is Tommy's lawyer? Anybody know? And who is paying for him?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Wendall on April 05, 2010, 09:45:04 AM
Did he get bailed out? and if he did who paid for that? :dunno:  It was good to hear from Fran-Hope her health is fine. :wave:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: RBF on April 05, 2010, 02:40:46 PM
The heavenly court has no statute of limitations, but it does have a lenient and generous commutation program that most folks want nothing to do with.

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."  2 Corinthians 5:10

Thank God He serves justice and not amnesty.  He isn't excusing sin or quibbling over dates.  He calls sin what it is.  Will we?

RBF
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 06, 2010, 02:46:28 AM
The heavenly court has no statute of limitations, but it does have a lenient and generous commutation program that most folks want nothing to do with.

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."  2 Corinthians 5:10

Thank God He serves justice and not amnesty.  He isn't excusing sin or quibbling over dates.  He calls sin what it is.  Will we?

RBF
RBF, the naysayers have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. They act all informed and want everyone to think they have some inside information. They're in for a surprise, I can assure them of that.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on April 06, 2010, 05:53:11 AM

RBF, the naysayers have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. They act all informed and want everyone to think they have some inside information. They're in for a surprise, I can assure them of that.

From where I am sitting it appears that you are the one doing that.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on April 06, 2010, 05:57:30 AM
From where I am sitting it appears that you are the one doing that.

Difficult to know if you are telling the truth or not unless you let us know where you are sitting!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: RBF on April 06, 2010, 07:51:53 AM

RBF, the naysayers have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. They act all informed and want everyone to think they have some inside information. They're in for a surprise, I can assure them of that.

From where I am sitting it appears that you are the one doing that.

3ABN_Defender,

I say praise the Lord that someone on earth is judging.  Good job, Duane.  I Timothy 5:24,25 says, "Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.  Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid."  I find it unfortunate that judgment hasn't been done as of yet which has led to more opportunities and apparently more victims.  Shame on those who want to prevent a very natural process for healing and judgment.

RBF
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on April 08, 2010, 05:33:19 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/T3UK0LQHLLBQ6B8Q1
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on April 08, 2010, 05:58:07 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/T3UK0LQHLLBQ6B8Q1

Interesting group of comments concerning a person at the head of an entity so completely integrated in the Seventh-day Adventist church.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 08, 2010, 06:10:08 PM
So how many comments do you all see at the first of those two links?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 09, 2010, 06:15:48 AM
I just had to go set the record straight at the second of those Topix links. There were some flagrant lies being told about one of the victims and I corrected the deceit that was being spread.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on April 09, 2010, 12:10:46 PM
I just had to go set the record straight at the second of those Topix links. There were some flagrant lies being told about one of the victims and I corrected the deceit that was being spread.

Wow...amazing lot of comments there!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Sister on April 09, 2010, 01:09:52 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/T3UK0LQHLLBQ6B8Q1

Just went over and read the links above. On the second one Cindy is quite abusive as she accuses others of being unchristian. It must take a lot of imagination and rationalization on her part to justify her own actions. It appears that she has been schooled in the theory that if you keep repeating lies often enough you can convince others you are telling the truth... Sorry, Cindy, you need to find a more cleaver way of trying to turn lies into truth.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Murcielago on April 09, 2010, 01:43:27 PM
Where did the second one go? I clicked on the second link and didn't see the thread.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on April 09, 2010, 01:45:09 PM
Someone named "Wow" of Indianapolis commented on the first link.(3rd comment) Guess who posted from Indinapolis on the second link? Guess who probably shut down the second link?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on April 09, 2010, 02:07:46 PM
Where did the second one go? I clicked on the second link and didn't see the thread.

All gone!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 09, 2010, 02:51:55 PM
Anyone going to start another one?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on April 09, 2010, 03:34:19 PM
Funny that the thread started with people who spoke from their personal experience and mostly agreed with each other.

But someone couldn't stand that and had to jump in and try to demonize Pickle and Joy. Funny!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: anyman on April 09, 2010, 03:52:48 PM
All you have to do is read how the site operates and you would discover that only the Topix paid moderators can delete posts, threads, or stories.

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Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on April 09, 2010, 04:17:50 PM
The original post in these threads was complaining that someone had deleted posts. They cynically said that is how 3ABN or the Sheltons work if I remember correctly. Someone said that the report abuse option was probably used. I agree that defamatory statements were made about Pickle and Joy and about one of the victims but I doubt that they were the ones who wanted the discussion closed down.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 09, 2010, 04:20:53 PM
I certainly didn't complain. But Cindy sure was ugly about it.

anyman, you know anyone who works for Topix?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Cindy on April 09, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/T3UK0LQHLLBQ6B8Q1

Just went over and read the links above. On the second one Cindy is quite abusive as she accuses others of being unchristian. It must take a lot of imagination and rationalization on her part to justify her own actions. It appears that she has been schooled in the theory that if you keep repeating lies often enough you can convince others you are telling the truth... Sorry, Cindy, you need to find a more cleaver way of trying to turn lies into truth.

If anyone is concerned about what I said to deserve Sister judgment of "quite abusive" etc or what Bob is calling "ugly" , here is the copy of my only post.


Quote
Cindy
Indianapolis, IN
#33
 
You guys need to take a chill pill, and stop thinking people are me and calling them that, when they are not.
I didn't post anything you have attributed to me.

I am only posting here to set the record straight and to say I think all the anonymous pots shots and personal attacks are cowardly and the furthermost thing from Christian I can think of.

What that means is I am not going to be in here arguing with any Duane Clem's or Bob Pickles, or any other demon inspired hatemongers.

I will instead pray for all, and you are both included.

Yes, having said that, that means I am leaving this ugliness now.- Good bye.

I will not be arguing here either. - Good bye.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 09, 2010, 04:42:45 PM
Cindy, I think it is pretty sick to label as "demon inspired hatemongers" those who are concerned abut the cover up of child molestation allegations.

Don't you agree?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: SDAminister on April 09, 2010, 05:10:33 PM

I will not be arguing here either. - Good bye.
Does this mean you are going to leave this forum for good, the same way you left the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on April 09, 2010, 06:24:07 PM
Well now - that info tells the whole story of character confusion! Internal battles and no foundation of realization...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 10, 2010, 07:42:56 AM
I will not be arguing here either. - Good bye.
Yeah, we all believe that.  :ROFL:

Truth be told, if you'd stop butting in to things that don't concern you, there wouldn't be anyone arguing with you to begin with. Drop the victim mentality. It's just not working for you.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 10, 2010, 07:50:42 AM
Anyone going to start another one?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TSCE0RTM6HIOCBT68#comments
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on April 10, 2010, 11:39:40 AM
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TPA5E37UQJK3ROV1B

This has been on there for some time now and they got some of their facts wrong but it also puts the SDA church in a bad light.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on April 10, 2010, 03:03:34 PM
Anyone going to start another one?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TSCE0RTM6HIOCBT68#comments

It is true, you previously warned that something was coming in near future and would be on National Media. My husband and I just read it.
Wonder how this will be justified!

Just a quote to prove we read it "Does anyone know where these poor children are? I hope they are not in the care of these two MORONS! Does 3ABN thinks this is excusable behavior? I would bet the idiots on here spouting scripture are some of their sheep."

As I suspect the public will now take a hold. Has all read about the rich "church" and where the money comes and goes???

Now is this all a lie too? 2 little girls left at Chuckie Cheese! The news and arrests surely must be wrong???? Is this another visual episode or blindness.

You know Ex3abn employee time gives truth. I waited to see it come to a head knowingly sooner or later it would. The biggest thing to happen with this in a bigger picture is to show how money is spent and of course these funny mommies behind bars. Quite amazing, and with suggestion in posts they may have been on the river boat for sure.  Just think of more avenues where all the pew money has went and the church still stands behind them :hot:   They got it coming for poor judgement.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: childoftheking on April 10, 2010, 03:58:31 PM
I think you got it a little wrong, Tinka. The thread about the two children being left alone at Chuck e Cheese has been up there at least since February 8 I think. I just hadn't posted a link to it until now. I wanted to see if it would be deleted since I posted the link here. It isn't new. Some of the facts that they got wrong were that she is not a sister to Danny but I think someone said she was a cousin of his. People were indignant about it but it hasn't and isn't likely to hit the national press. Other than church membership, I don't think there is a direct connection with 3ABN.

Did you read all the pages? I think there are 14 of them and about 267 comments.

(corrected spelling)
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Sister on April 10, 2010, 04:51:16 PM
Marilyn Thomas is a cousin of Danny and Tommy Shelton. If she is asked the right questions she could be a well of information...Danny has always liked to show off his "accomplishments" to other family members including offering them free use of the 3ABN jet (when Danny still had it at his disposal) when they had planned visits to family members in Michigan. Just because she has done something stupid, does not mean she is not privy to a treasure trove of information.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on April 10, 2010, 06:37:55 PM
I think you got it a little wrong, Tinka. The thread about the two children being left alone at Chuck e Cheese has been up there at least since February 8 I think. I just hadn't posted a link to it until now. I wanted to see if it would be deleted since I posted the link here. It isn't new. Some of the facts that they got wrong were that she is not a sister to Danny but I think someone said she was a cousin of his. People were indignant about it but it hasn't and isn't likely to hit the national press. Other than church membership, I don't think there is a direct connection with 3ABN.

Did you read all the pages? I think there are 14 of them and about 267 comments.

(corrected spelling)

I have to admit that I had 2 great grandchildren I was keeping an eye on and I was skimming as my husband was reading. It was a shocker as I mostly was going to where I could see the "3abn " words to skip ahead. I did catch quite a bit but not a word for word thing. i did catch that some posters were a little confusing on who it was and great conversation on "where the money was coming from". 

But the point I was trying to make before I even saw this or realized this happened or when was --what the public will do with the TS saga  and now this!!. I did read tho that DC. mentioned that something was about to happen and we would all know soon. How could it be worse then this?  Then I got a black eye (laugh) from...... because I sort of remembered that Alyissa and Melody may have the same complaint that someone posted about and then got blamed for me doing it. of course that was notorized but I have no way of knowing what is true and giving fact on it. All I know is there are many things that can't all be false from many other poster's.  Then there was supposed to be somebody else that posted that a gift of a car was given by DS and then given back & the rest of that saga. so many things. I maybe was wrong but am totally right on what the public can do for masacre when something this bad happens. They should have got out while they could and now how far will this go? But thanks for your insight.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 10, 2010, 11:30:10 PM
I have to admit that I had 2 great grandchildren I was keeping an eye on and I was skimming as my husband was reading. It was a shocker as I mostly was going to where I could see the "3abn " words to skip ahead. I did catch quite a bit but not a word for word thing. i did catch that some posters were a little confusing on who it was and great conversation on "where the money was coming from". 

But the point I was trying to make before I even saw this or realized this happened or when was --what the public will do with the TS saga  and now this!!. I did read tho that DC. mentioned that something was about to happen and we would all know soon. How could it be worse then this?  Then I got a black eye (laugh) from...... because I sort of remembered that Alyissa and Melody may have the same complaint that someone posted about and then got blamed for me doing it. of course that was notorized but I have no way of knowing what is true and giving fact on it. All I know is there are many things that can't all be false from many other poster's.  Then there was supposed to be somebody else that posted that a gift of a car was given by DS and then given back & the rest of that saga. so many things. I maybe was wrong but am totally right on what the public can do for masacre when something this bad happens. They should have got out while they could and now how far will this go? But thanks for your insight.
What I'm referring to has nothing to do with Chuck E. Cheese, I assure you. I didn't even know about that.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 11, 2010, 05:51:31 AM
Cindy, I think it is pretty sick to label as "demon inspired hatemongers" those who are concerned abut the cover up of child molestation allegations.

Don't you agree?
Well Bob, when the facts aren't on your side, you have to resort to childish name calling or you have no comeback at all. To me, it's the mark of someone with diminished intellectual capacity.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on April 11, 2010, 11:19:58 AM
Anyone going to start another one?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TSCE0RTM6HIOCBT68#comments


It's gone again.

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: sonshineonme on April 11, 2010, 11:58:32 AM
I would like to know who's starting them, can that person delete it once they have started it? I know it sounds nutty to think that someone would start it to delete it later, but you just never know the reasons behind why....
also, what does it take at that site to get something deleted? What are the rules? Who does it? Who are the admins? Has anyone asked one of the admins about these disappearing threads? Are they local people? Could someone just give a call to someone they know and tell them to push the delete button?

Anyone going to start another one?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TSCE0RTM6HIOCBT68#comments


It's gone again.


Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 11, 2010, 12:52:32 PM
I've written twice now asking about why the threads are getting deleted, and haven't heard back at all. I couldn't find a phone number. It is supposed to take 7 days before they read what you write. I first wrote them after it got deleted the first time, which has been over a week ago.

Supposedly only Topix employees can delete stuff on the forums.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 11, 2010, 03:39:08 PM
I've written twice now asking about why the threads are getting deleted, and haven't heard back at all. I couldn't find a phone number. It is supposed to take 7 days before they read what you write. I first wrote them after it got deleted the first time, which has been over a week ago.

Supposedly only Topix employees can delete stuff on the forums.
Let them keep deleting it. There will always be someone to reopen it. No one is scared of Danny anymore.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on April 20, 2010, 10:09:34 PM
Danny needs to realize that his influence on most people is gone.  Notice I say "most" because obviously some people are still blindsided by the man.  The power of Danny and his regime has become extinct.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on April 21, 2010, 06:22:32 AM
With most people gone, How does he financially keep going? It seems still the "pew money" must be still coming in. Maybe if that comes to halt the so claimed "volunteers" will be gone. I realize now they were never "volunteers" for DS. I think most of us "oldies" don't have ways of finding out the 3abn saga unless they have computer interests. Most I talk to around here do not even have computers let alone know how to get in the posts. They know nothing of this and are contributors. That is just my scenairo of how I think it must be. The "oldies" are the contributors and this is I think what DS counts on, or the board, or the SDA church in their "double back interests of claiming no interests". Very upset with this connection.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on April 21, 2010, 06:49:47 AM
While studying for the ministry I worked for a while at a psychiatric hospital. Some of the patients were former celebrities who had tried to make a comeback depending on former success, but failed. Then there was no other place for them than at such a hospital. This is tragic but something that often happens.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on April 21, 2010, 09:16:07 AM
With most people gone, How does he financially keep going? It seems still the "pew money" must be still coming in. Maybe if that comes to halt the so claimed "volunteers" will be gone. I realize now they were never "volunteers" for DS. I think most of us "oldies" don't have ways of finding out the 3abn saga unless they have computer interests. Most I talk to around here do not even have computers let alone know how to get in the posts. They know nothing of this and are contributors. That is just my scenairo of how I think it must be. The "oldies" are the contributors and this is I think what DS counts on, or the board, or the SDA church in their "double back interests of claiming no interests". Very upset with this connection.

To be honest I do believe that 3ABN has lost a lot of financial support in recent years.  I do not think that is going to improve anytime soon, especially when you have DS at the helm.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 21, 2010, 09:53:54 AM
With most people gone, How does he financially keep going? It seems still the "pew money" must be still coming in. Maybe if that comes to halt the so claimed "volunteers" will be gone. I realize now they were never "volunteers" for DS. I think most of us "oldies" don't have ways of finding out the 3abn saga unless they have computer interests. Most I talk to around here do not even have computers let alone know how to get in the posts. They know nothing of this and are contributors. That is just my scenairo of how I think it must be. The "oldies" are the contributors and this is I think what DS counts on, or the board, or the SDA church in their "double back interests of claiming no interests". Very upset with this connection.

To be honest I do believe that 3ABN has lost a lot of financial support in recent years.  I do not think that is going to improve anytime soon, especially when you have DS at the helm.
Not to mention the fact that the preliminary hearing takes place in a little over 2 weeks, which is going to put all this right back in the news again.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on April 21, 2010, 01:23:15 PM
Danny needs to realize that his influence on most people is gone.  Notice I say "most" because obviously some people are still blindsided by the man.  The power of Danny and his regime has become extinct.

In which part of the country would you say this is true, ST?

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on April 21, 2010, 01:25:52 PM
I am not sure, I understand your question, so before I try to answer that can you clarify? Thank you.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on April 21, 2010, 01:39:43 PM
Being that Danny is acknowledged as founder of 3ABN by the president and Mollie, many Adventists haven't heard/don't believe the reports about him, and Adventist church leadership personnel support 3ABN by their presence on the network, I don't see how it can be said that his power has become extinct.

I have witnessed otherwise very recently in a city-wide Adventist event for the local churches, reported on favorably in a church division paper.   
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on April 21, 2010, 01:50:36 PM
Being that Danny is acknowledged as founder of 3ABN by the president and Mollie, many Adventists haven't heard/don't believe the reports about him, and Adventist church leadership personnel support 3ABN by their presence on the network, I don't see how it can be said that his power has become extinct.

I have witnessed otherwise very recently in a city-wide Adventist event for the local churches, reported on favorably in a church division paper.   

While I will respectfully disagree. I will state this.   I am simply stating that in my opinion DS, as well as TS, realize the jig is up and there is no where left to hide.  DS has always found away to get (himself and his family) out of things, but I think he realizes that in this case that is not likely.

As far as the support for Danny Shelton, that may be so.  I believe that will change in the near future after they (3ABN supporters) find out the extent of DS trying to cover up his brother who is an alleged pedophile.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on April 21, 2010, 01:56:38 PM
What exactly is it that you don't agree with?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on April 21, 2010, 01:59:30 PM
Being that Danny is acknowledged as founder of 3ABN by the president and Mollie, many Adventists haven't heard/don't believe the reports about him, and Adventist church leadership personnel support 3ABN by their presence on the network, I don't see how it can be said that his power has become extinct.

I have witnessed otherwise very recently in a city-wide Adventist event for the local churches, reported on favorably in a church division paper.  

I may also note:  That Danny is also not as popular in his hometown anymore either.  The fact remains is people are coming to know the true Sheltons.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on April 21, 2010, 02:09:43 PM
As far as the support for Danny Shelton, that may be so.  I believe that will change in the near future after they (3ABN supporters) find out the extent of DS trying to cover up his brother who is an alleged pedophile.

I'm not sure about that since the Adventist church appears to be staying with the status quo as far as 3ABN is concerned, and the culture within 3ABN seems to me to be a cover-up one to begin with. 
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 21, 2010, 02:35:18 PM
3ABN attorney Greg Simpson just filed a motion on April 7 to strike our status report in the First Circuit, which had the five felony arrest warrants for Tommy Shelton attached.

Simpson has repeatedly tried to bury the evidence against Tommy, starting as early as October 30, 2008. April 7 was his latest attempt.


Or is Simpson out of control, doing things the 3ABN Board hasn't approved of and doesn't want?

Or is Danny pulling all the strings attached to Simpson, not 3ABN?

I think these questions need to be answered by the individuals concerned. It's time for each of them to come out of the shadows and let it be fully understood just where they stand on the issue of pedophilia, and whether they approve of Simpson's continued efforts to sweep everything under the rug.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on April 21, 2010, 02:54:20 PM
Being that Danny is acknowledged as founder of 3ABN by the president and Mollie, many Adventists haven't heard/don't believe the reports about him, and Adventist church leadership personnel support 3ABN by their presence on the network, I don't see how it can be said that his power has become extinct.

I have witnessed otherwise very recently in a city-wide Adventist event for the local churches, reported on favorably in a church division paper.  

I may also note:  That Danny is also not as popular in his hometown anymore either.  The fact remains is people are coming to know the true Sheltons.
Anymore? Truth be known, he never was all that popular, just tolerated. That tolerance is wearing very thin these days.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Little Grasshopper on April 21, 2010, 05:02:29 PM
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Supposedly only Topix employees can delete stuff on the forums.

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Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on April 22, 2010, 10:56:02 AM
Actually, Tinka, about the wedding ring, thing..This discussion is moved over to VISIONS


Wonder if the evangelist minglers still want to mingle in their brother off shoots? Wonder why LS had to sign to keep her quiet before the money?
It appears LS knew quit a lot and it was repulsive to her..it appears.

Then there was the difference between LS son and Brandy's girls in treatment. Then the rigged up fiasco of DNA which should have been no problem at all instead it could have been done properly in right places and excepted in court instead of all the excuses and hangups with sympathizers blind eye to court rules for the 100% without doubt.

LS helped build 3abn and it was half hers. It is now her turn to turn it around along with the stand up of the church. Make it legit under SDA banner. But then again I see what is happening on Hope channel. Some very good but fails in SDA SP message as somethings are portrayed to keep up with the public and their likes.

Wedding rings were added by the people in church manual. Not followed by SP. and there is no excuse, no reason that fits. It's vanity. Not important and a waste of money but yet it gives the go on jewelry to public view. It gives the go on charismatic movement, in music. I did watch one though that they had to be commented on and it was beautiful, solemn, and reverent with some happy music that was properly inspired by their appearance of true worship. I had tears and so proud of them as they appeared better then Gaither in spirituality and true behavior.  Even their dress was better at that time as previous seen strapless and gaudy. What happened to woman's apparel in the "pants". Yea, just old stuff. The new age is in. I would like to see in nationally and worldwide view strict appearance of SP. Let them see the difference in the real true worship and forget the portraying of all ones self in song, dress and actions. Forget the gyrations and let the melody flow as that is what turns the heart.  SDA do have many singers that can handle this. Some I have to get away from it. Right now I am liking the Rev series that is on. and I do miss LS and her inspirational comments. That is what made 3abn. Not the "stories" as they were told over and over until it was old and began to get doubtful or was LS a better deceiver as sympathizers portray? The fruits and actions of LS just don't portray it ...but they do...hmmmm. (Just personal thoughts) until actions prove wrong. Tommy Shelton was their (first??) mistake to portray on 3abn! Pew money supported him too. Johann, God is not a respector of this and I think TS might be left to his folly but am not going to judge as God knows all cause and sickness. He had the message, he had the light and he had his protector, his brother.  It is sad as we see humans bend to outer limits and realize they are now in space but my sympathy is with the victims. Somebody had to do something and it needs to be commended they did it. TS photo looks very sick. You cannot love God and hurt his children just for your own desires. How many people has his brother hurt?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Murcielago on April 27, 2010, 11:38:21 PM
LOL! Apparently they are really frightened over the topix discussion of Tommy. It keeps disappearing... poof... like the cheshire cat on Alice in Wonderland.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on May 03, 2010, 07:55:29 PM
Any updates as to Tommy Shelton's court appearances?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on May 03, 2010, 08:24:18 PM
Any updates as to Tommy Shelton's court appearances?
Preliminary hearing is still set for Thursday. Should have more news when it's over.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on May 12, 2010, 07:24:07 AM
Boy, the other site sure has gone quiet since the case was sent to the grand jury. I don't think this is the way it went in rehearsal.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on May 12, 2010, 07:31:48 AM
Perhaps too certain this could never happen.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on May 12, 2010, 07:39:52 AM
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on May 12, 2010, 08:08:32 AM
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?
I'm sure word is slowly getting around. When I see how upset they get about posts at a place like Topix it tells me how terrified they are about this getting out. Do they have people sitting at computers monitoring ALL the news commentary sites? LOL
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on May 12, 2010, 08:29:54 AM
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?

One also wonders how long the Seventh-day Adventist church will continue to allow 3ABN to claim its close relationship as the subject spreads through the media.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on May 12, 2010, 08:53:12 AM
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?

One also wonders how long the Seventh-day Adventist church will continue to allow 3ABN to claim its close relationship as the subject spreads through the media.

And keep sending their programs over 3ABN
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on May 12, 2010, 03:37:25 PM
Boy, the other site sure has gone quiet since the case was sent to the grand jury. I don't think this is the way it went in rehearsal.


Shock and awe!!!

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on May 12, 2010, 03:40:45 PM
Boy, the other site sure has gone quiet since the case was sent to the grand jury. I don't think this is the way it went in rehearsal.


Shock and awe!!!


They're obviously reading here. I had not much more than posted that when I was slandered again over there. You have to wonder about people who aren't capable of typing a coherent thought after reading something. Anyway, we know they're here. Hi, guys! :wave:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on May 12, 2010, 04:41:44 PM
Boy, the other site sure has gone quiet since the case was sent to the grand jury. I don't think this is the way it went in rehearsal.


Shock and awe!!!


They're obviously reading here. I had not much more than posted that when I was slandered again over there. You have to wonder about people who aren't capable of typing a coherent thought after reading something. Anyway, we know they're here. Hi, guys! :wave:


Duane, I have the names of several good internet defamation attorneys, if you are interested!!

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on May 12, 2010, 05:06:28 PM
Duane, Is there somewhere I can go to find more information on the change of the statute(sp) of limitations of child abuse in IL?
 thanks,mrst
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on May 13, 2010, 07:29:13 AM
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?

One also wonders how long the Seventh-day Adventist church will continue to allow 3ABN to claim its close relationship as the subject spreads through the media.

And keep sending their programs over 3ABN

Shawn Boonstra of "It Is Written", and Lincoln Steed, editor of Liberty Magazine, are regulars on 3ABN.

Mark Finley, a general vice-president of the SDA Church is on this month.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on May 13, 2010, 07:39:54 AM
Do you all know if SDA churches in general who support 3ABN have heard much about the present situation with Tommy Shelton?

I just communicated with a pastor from a large and very active church which has been a "3ABN church" for many years, and he had heard nothing about it.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on May 13, 2010, 07:47:53 AM
How was his reaction when you told him?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on May 13, 2010, 08:36:10 AM
Do you all know if SDA churches in general who support 3ABN have heard much about the present situation with Tommy Shelton?

I just communicated with a pastor from a large and very active church which has been a "3ABN church" for many years, and he had heard nothing about it.

Maybe many should be called and asked the same thing and give them a fair chance. They need to organize on what they will do to preserve their "honest presentations" where and how. This is quite a feat but sure something can be done to save. Later media will ask SDA for comment, the same as "Catholics".  I don't think they will be able to hide affiliation in a non denominational relationship. They better be clear on what that comment will be. Seems this might be crucial thing to do. How can they answer without lying? Will consequences happen because they closed their ears? or maybe for sure they did not know?? Change name or change people. Maybe it will be a forced situation now as soon as most do find out.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on May 13, 2010, 11:48:40 AM
How was his reaction when you told him?

Said he hadn't heard about it.

We had had previous conversations about the 3ABN problem a few years past, but then the church leadership let it slide when it appeared that 3ABN was cleaning up its act. 
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on May 13, 2010, 12:09:12 PM
Duane, Is there somewhere I can go to find more information on the change of the statute(sp) of limitations of child abuse in IL?
 thanks,mrst
Yes, but it might take me a bit to find it. I'll get back to you I promise.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on May 13, 2010, 01:26:20 PM
3ABN
by Breezy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:33 pm UTC

Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN. Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not. Remember this please: it is possible for someone to be falsely accused of a crime and even falsely arrested. We can always afford to wait before forming an opinion to see outcomes of court decisions.

It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute. This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.

Please before you believe the rumors, check it out as Matthew 18 says, with those at 3ABN. Also please remember that because someone is arrested does not make them automatically guilty. If that were the case, this world would be a whole lot different and a much worse place in which to live for innocent people would suffer unnecessarily.

I long for Jesus to come and rescue us and take us to a place where satan and his evil angels will never live. A place where love and respect, kindness and joy will always be present. I praise the Lord for the good work 3ABN is doing.
Breezy
 
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This person is no worse than a child molestor themselves. 
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on May 13, 2010, 01:29:55 PM
From this persons logic... when they state:
3ABN
by Breezy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:33 pm UTC

Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN. Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not. Remember this please: it is possible for someone to be falsely accused of a crime and even falsely arrested. We can always afford to wait before forming an opinion to see outcomes of court decisions.

As though 3Abn is going to say they are true?


It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute. This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.

So they are saying that the vicitims are full of the satans spirit?


 
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This person is no worse than a child molestor themselves. 
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on May 13, 2010, 01:42:09 PM
It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute.

Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on May 13, 2010, 01:43:58 PM
Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN.

Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not.


I can very well imagine the response by 3ABN to that question!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on May 13, 2010, 03:29:33 PM
3ABN
by Breezy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:33 pm UTC

Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN. Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not. Remember this please: it is possible for someone to be falsely accused of a crime and even falsely arrested.
We can always afford to wait before forming an opinion to see outcomes of court decisions.
It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute. This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.

Please before you believe the rumors, check it out as Matthew 18 says, with those at 3ABN. Also please remember that because someone is arrested does not make them automatically guilty. If that were the case, this world would be a whole lot different and a much worse place in which to live for innocent people would suffer unnecessarily.

I long for Jesus to come and rescue us and take us to a place where satan and his evil angels will never live. A place where love and respect, kindness and joy will always be present. I praise the Lord for the good work 3ABN is doing.
Breezy
 
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This person is no worse than a child molestor themselves. 

But, look at what Breezy posted previously:
Quote
by Breezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTC

3abn_defender I'm sorry you were banned. That forum is so hilariously one-sided--they certainly love to use the little red pen against those they "don't like." Hmmm, let's see, what is this called? Oh yes, "prejudice." If you dare say one little work they don't like--out comes the little red pen...   

But back to the topic of Tommy Shelton. Yes, he did turn himself in to the authorities when it became known to him that there was a warrant for his arrest.

What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case. The warrant was so full of errors that one wonders if the investigator actually tried to do her job. She not once talked to Tommy or his lawyer, nor did she ever speak to any of the victims. She even stated he was presently teaching school in Kentucky when in reality Tommy hadn't been at that school since 1981 AND the school had been closed for the last 3 years. Interesting Investigator--don't you think? Sounds like she was paid to sit on her tush.

But how did she know to get a warrant? Who was she talking to and believed? Ahhh, that is the million dollar question. Give you only one guess!!

I will say this much. Tommy Shelton will be declared innocent. How do I know this? Well, let's just say I know without a doubt. You all watch (including those with the little red pens) -- you will see Tommy declared INNOCENT.

Shucks!! In that case, I guess you will have to go with plan D--umm, or is it E? Oh, maybe it is Plan-F...Ah well, anything to get DS out of 3ABN right?
Breezy
 
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Viva le difference!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on May 13, 2010, 03:35:24 PM
3ABN
by Breezy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:33 pm UTC

Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN. Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not. Remember this please: it is possible for someone to be falsely accused of a crime and even falsely arrested.
We can always afford to wait before forming an opinion to see outcomes of court decisions.
It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute. This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.

Please before you believe the rumors, check it out as Matthew 18 says, with those at 3ABN. Also please remember that because someone is arrested does not make them automatically guilty. If that were the case, this world would be a whole lot different and a much worse place in which to live for innocent people would suffer unnecessarily.

I long for Jesus to come and rescue us and take us to a place where satan and his evil angels will never live. A place where love and respect, kindness and joy will always be present. I praise the Lord for the good work 3ABN is doing.
Breezy
 
Posts: 153
Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:41 am UTC

This person is no worse than a child molestor themselves. 

But, look at what Breezy posted previously:
Quote
by Breezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTC

3abn_defender I'm sorry you were banned. That forum is so hilariously one-sided--they certainly love to use the little red pen against those they "don't like." Hmmm, let's see, what is this called? Oh yes, "prejudice." If you dare say one little work they don't like--out comes the little red pen...   

But back to the topic of Tommy Shelton. Yes, he did turn himself in to the authorities when it became known to him that there was a warrant for his arrest.

What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case. The warrant was so full of errors that one wonders if the investigator actually tried to do her job. She not once talked to Tommy or his lawyer, nor did she ever speak to any of the victims. She even stated he was presently teaching school in Kentucky when in reality Tommy hadn't been at that school since 1981 AND the school had been closed for the last 3 years. Interesting Investigator--don't you think? Sounds like she was paid to sit on her tush.

But how did she know to get a warrant? Who was she talking to and believed? Ahhh, that is the million dollar question. Give you only one guess!!

I will say this much. Tommy Shelton will be declared innocent. How do I know this? Well, let's just say I know without a doubt. You all watch (including those with the little red pens) -- you will see Tommy declared INNOCENT.

Shucks!! In that case, I guess you will have to go with plan D--umm, or is it E? Oh, maybe it is Plan-F...Ah well, anything to get DS out of 3ABN right?
Breezy
 
Posts: 153
Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:41 am UTC
Viva le difference!

It just goes to show that they have so many different lines of defenses that they can't keep them all straight.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on May 13, 2010, 05:05:11 PM
That what I call sick in the head "justifiers". They are beyond the point of no return or they would not be protectors of evil deeds. It is just like they have some kind of block of blocking direct facts. Oh, yes.. the block that blocks must be the "money tree"!!

Imagine that ....just call us and we will tell you truth or what you want to hear about horrible accusations that are not true. Trust us, the devil did it and we are getting accused?  They are setting us up as we are the honest and pure.  I wish somebody could do something about this sure ignorant (puppet) Breezy for 3abn. Whooopss.. there goes Breezy down the  :rabbit:  trail.

 Wellllll, we fired our guns but the  :rabbit:s kept a comming. Well, they ran through the briars, and they ran through the bushes and ran through the branbles where the  :rabbit:s should'nt go They ran so fast that the  :beagle: s couldn't catch them but ran them to the river and the Gulf of M........we looked down the river and there was not as many as once a while ago, so we fired again and hmmm,hummm,hummm.

Sounds as crazy as Breezy  :ROFL: But "justice is on the way"!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on May 13, 2010, 06:06:13 PM
Here's the thing to remember: Breezy's boastful post that Tommy would be found "INNOCENT" was before the preliminary hearing. Now, as reality slowly begins to sink in, Breezy says we need to wait and see. I can't wait to see what is said after he is indicted.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Murcielago on May 13, 2010, 08:30:00 PM
"A grand jury can indict a ham sandwich." The is what I expect to hear.

Here's the thing to remember: Breezy's boastful post that Tommy would be found "INNOCENT" was before the preliminary hearing. Now, as reality slowly begins to sink in, Breezy says we need to wait and see. I can't wait to see what is said after he is indicted.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on May 13, 2010, 08:38:12 PM
ROFL!   :ROFL: :ROFL: That's probably right, George.  I find it odd that they defend, defend, and defend, yet they cannot come up with a reasonalbe reason to do so.

As you can see from above, they have to go with different plans.  And Breezy is the one that says above that we need too?  Give me a break.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on May 13, 2010, 09:35:05 PM
This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.

Isn't this coming from someone who claims to follow God and the Bible, but who can't bring herself to admit that even if a minor was consenting, that makes no difference? Or am I wrong that Breezy is Junebug?

I long for Jesus to come and rescue us and take us to a place where satan and his evil angels will never live. A place where love and respect, kindness and joy will always be present.

I would be interested in Breezy giving a Bible study clearly establishing what moral standards are optional for people who plan on entering heaven.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on May 13, 2010, 09:43:44 PM
Quote
by Breezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTC
...

What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case. The warrant was so full of errors that one wonders if the investigator actually tried to do her job. She not once talked to Tommy or his lawyer, nor did she ever speak to any of the victims. She even stated he was presently teaching school in Kentucky when in reality Tommy hadn't been at that school since 1981 AND the school had been closed for the last 3 years. Interesting Investigator--don't you think? Sounds like she was paid to sit on her tush.

Now where did Breezy come up with all of this? Who's filling her ears full?

Why has she stated that a judge didn't approve the warrants when all five felony warrants were signed by a magistrate?

The investigator never talked to Tommy? Did she try, and Tommy simply refused to return her calls?

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on May 14, 2010, 04:46:52 AM
Quote from: 3ABN by Breezy »   Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTC
Quote
I will say this much. Tommy Shelton will be declared innocent. How do I know this? Well, let's just say I know without a doubt. You all watch (including those with the little red pens) -- you will see Tommy declared INNOCENT.

Breezy
 

Proverbs 18:17

 17 The first to present his case seems right,
       till another comes forward and questions him.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on May 14, 2010, 05:28:40 AM
Quote
by Breezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTC
...

What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case. The warrant was so full of errors that one wonders if the investigator actually tried to do her job. She not once talked to Tommy or his lawyer, nor did she ever speak to any of the victims. She even stated he was presently teaching school in Kentucky when in reality Tommy hadn't been at that school since 1981 AND the school had been closed for the last 3 years. Interesting Investigator--don't you think? Sounds like she was paid to sit on her tush.

Now where did Breezy come up with all of this? Who's filling her ears full?

Why has she stated that a judge didn't approve the warrants when all five felony warrants were signed by a magistrate?

The investigator never talked to Tommy? Did she try, and Tommy simply refused to return her calls?



My understanding is that she in fact did try to meet with Tommy.  However, he refused to do so. 
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Gregory on May 14, 2010, 09:42:56 AM
Bob said:
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Why has she stated that a judge didn't approve the warrants when all five felony warrants were signed by a magistrate?

Because under some definations and in some places, a magistrate is an administrator of specified judicial functions--i.e. could be one authorized to issue a warrant--and not a judge who makes judicial decisions.

NOTE: This may varry according to local law.

NOTE: Many people consider a magistrate to be a low level judge.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on May 14, 2010, 11:02:03 AM
But Breezy was quoted as saying:

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What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case.

Your explanation makes sense, but even then, her statement is still misleading. Her wording appears to me to rule out the idea that the warrants were approved by a magistrate.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on June 09, 2010, 01:50:51 PM
I spoke to Reverand Jennings B Wood, who was the Pastor prior to Tommy at the Dunn Loring Church of God. I got NOTHING.  All he said was that was that "it was a shame that it happened".  I am planning on his new church, which is only 45 minutes away,so maybe I can get more info then. Sorry guys.
It's been 37 years since I have seen him- it's lucky he remembered me. :ROFL:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on June 09, 2010, 02:36:18 PM
Most people will dodge this like a tornado before they will commit their selves into something they fear will be nationally publicized after it all gets going.

On Youtube while searching for situations and people they have some web sites that are horribly real of children that have been molested. It is for the sake of people to see just how horrible this can be. They definitey did the trick on me as I watched about 3 and just sat and cried for the sake of these children. some didn'nt make it. One father wrote a song for his daughter that he had to bury when he got home from Iraq. Then when I hear people that try to protect this my blood about surfaces through my skin. I can never go back to look again, I just can't take it. It actually made me want to shoot someone off the planet but I know better and then some wonder why it is important to worry what is going on with this evil getting paid by honest christians to enable these ????? to take their desires out on the innocent. This is satan having a field day through his instruments.
Sorry to let out so much but I can't think of anything worse after seeing children huddled in corners, injured, (pictures shown).  Right now, no sweet talk about who's side is right can enter my mind because one side is definitely wrong when evidence shows this went on. I will not soft soap or let emotions take me away until this idiot is where he won't be able to do anything again. I say this through tears of what I saw. They were all true stories. ONe thing for sure an SDA can always be swayed by sympathy. Better get tough as the devil seeks this out to their fall too.  :praying:  for   :help:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on June 09, 2010, 02:59:41 PM
I agree, nothing is too bad for them.  I don't care and I think the ones that have helped cover it up should be prosecuted to. If they had turned him after the 1st time, then the other boys would not have been hurt. They are just as responsible.  :(
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on June 09, 2010, 03:46:24 PM
Yes, my Mom once had a foster daughter who came to her when she was threes years old.  Her own birth mother and father had abused her in ever conceivable( and some inconceivable) manner.  It was so bad my Mom had to read her file only a couple of pages at a time.  This also the second time they had taken this child from these horrible people.  For the longest time, the little one grew pictures of herself with spots(cigarette burns in reality) on her face.  Even through all of this she was a bright, loving, intelligent ,and outgoing little girl who did very well in school.  Just dear to everyon'e heart.

But you know we Praise God!!! today because the is a bright young woman graduating from high school with scholarships to college.  She and her grandmother keep in touch her her Nana(my Mom).  
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on June 09, 2010, 04:58:51 PM
I am thankful to hear at least one story turn out but the burns are shivering to my chest. I always can hold or look at a little baby or child and look at wonderment of the little gift Jesus made. All different, just like little snowflakes, like looking at each little feature with amazement knowing that only Jesus can make a little black eye or a little blue eye with their little twigs of hair and tiny little noses of all shapes. Little fingers that curl around so perfect  that can hang on to you with it's first trust and for someone to damage what God created is no more then a devil trying to destroy such a great love to become. Then as the child is older and the trickery of trust is thrust forth, it takes conniving, lustful, hateful, selfish undisciplined and taught desires even if it kills. It's over the line. Your top people that work in this line will tell you they cannot be recuperated.  Something is wrong here. The man has had every opportunity to know truth belonging to a church and where did he hide, with people that loved God and went to church.

 All we can do against this as we hear and know of arrests and proof with witnesses is yell and yell until something is done about this. and pray in this little corner that this person, affiliated with public of the SDA will get shut down.

and Di, it really is special people that can go in like your parents and pick up their pieces of life and mend it. Thank goodness, a person has a chance to pick one up curled in a corner of no hope and just hold them and love them.  Then there are those who try to adopt so they can abuse. We had this happen in our state. They locked them in cages and one starved to death.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on June 09, 2010, 06:23:24 PM
Di, If your parents are alive, tell them thank-you and give them big hugs when you see them for being foster parents. Not everyone has that kind of love and patience.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on June 09, 2010, 08:32:44 PM
I spoke to Reverand Jennings B Wood, who was the Pastor prior to Tommy at the Dunn Loring Church of God. I got NOTHING.  All he said was that was that "it was a shame that it happened".  I am planning on his new church, which is only 45 minutes away,so maybe I can get more info then. Sorry guys.
It's been 37 years since I have seen him- it's lucky he remembered me. :ROFL:

Interesting! Wonder how long he will be willing to keep his silence? Until the courts intervene?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on June 10, 2010, 12:49:01 PM
Do you think Pastor Wood might be called to testify in he July trials?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on June 10, 2010, 04:52:45 PM
Do you think Pastor Wood might be called to testify in he July trials?

I would assume so.  I would also assume he would be included in any civil suite.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on June 11, 2010, 12:12:43 PM
Then I guess he won't talk to me, until after the trials- oh well.....maybe his daughter will..... :scratch:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on June 12, 2010, 10:51:02 AM
Then I guess he won't talk to me, until after the trials- oh well.....maybe his daughter will..... :scratch:

Unless he is involved? Which would make perfect sense if he overlooked the past of Tommy Ray Shelton, when he allowed him to serve as his predecessor.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on June 12, 2010, 05:31:07 PM
That could be true, but knowing Pastor Wood and how he felt about Dunn Loring Church of God, I don't think so. When I was growing up, he considered it "his church". I can't imagine, that he would allow anyone with any smudge on their past to take over "his church". The one thing I do know, is that he loved kids and would have NEVER allowed someone to come to his church, like TS, if he had known. I have a feeling, the other church wanted to get rid of TS and just didn't bother to tell him any "bad things" .I could be wrong...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: jolull on June 15, 2010, 03:21:38 PM


Distressing, very, but at least the truth and justice can be done for all involved now, and the proper authorities are taking care of it in the right way. I will be praying for all involved and their families, and yes that does include Tommy.


Distressing that this is classified under "crime" committed by a pastor!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Johann on June 16, 2010, 03:37:04 PM
Do you think Pastor Wood might be called to testify in he July trials?

I would assume so.  I would also assume he would be included in any civil suite.

So the case does not close that soon?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on June 16, 2010, 04:01:32 PM
Do you think Pastor Wood might be called to testify in he July trials?

I would assume so.  I would also assume he would be included in any civil suite.

So the case does not close that soon?

I would assume not, seeing that the victims have hired well known attorney, John Manly.  An attorney who is notorious for his cases against catholic priest pedophiles. I would assume this is only one step of many.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on June 16, 2010, 04:07:03 PM
Sounds like this attorney will collect for the victims. The "clan" should not have tried a cover up.....
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on June 16, 2010, 10:42:46 PM
What's done in the dark..........
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on June 17, 2010, 04:49:54 PM
Yes and I hope that people will not send in the money for these money soaking "pits"

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on June 17, 2010, 06:29:58 PM
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict.  That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: princessdi on June 17, 2010, 11:28:43 PM
Exactly!!
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 18, 2010, 05:28:49 AM
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict.  That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.

If he is convicted and goes to prison, a civil suit would be positive in that it might give Tommy an opportunity to take a break from prison in order to attend the civil trial.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Artiste on June 18, 2010, 05:53:14 AM
If he is convicted and goes to prison, a civil suit would be positive in that it might give Tommy an opportunity to take a break from prison in order to attend the civil trial.

Is this an example of positive thinking?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on June 18, 2010, 06:32:57 PM
 :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Pat Williams on June 19, 2010, 01:01:02 PM
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict.  That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.

Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...

You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them?  There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case. So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained. I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me. Maybe others are curious too...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 19, 2010, 07:21:44 PM
Apparently you've never read about cases that were wrongly decided, for whatever reason. If earthly courts were always fair and just and impartial and correct, no appeal would ever be won.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on June 19, 2010, 08:33:44 PM
Well, seeing that John C. Manly has been retained by the victims; I'm sure there will be a civil suite. After researching Manly and his cases, I am sure he would not take this on if he didn't think he could gain something. This is an attorney who is notorious for his cases against clergy pedophiles.
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict.  That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.

Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...

You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them?  There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case. So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained. I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me. Maybe others are curious too...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Snoopy on June 19, 2010, 10:39:27 PM
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict.  That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.

Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...

You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them?  There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case. So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained. I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me. Maybe others are curious too...


Sounds like phishing to me...   hhmm...   ??

Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on June 19, 2010, 11:07:11 PM
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict.  That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.

Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...

You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them?  There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case. So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained. I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me. Maybe others are curious too...


Sounds like phishing to me...   hhmm...   ??


Yep. Me too. Sorry, no one is going to give any info here.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on June 20, 2010, 04:31:14 AM
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict.  That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.

Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...

You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them?
( :ROFL:  no way to recover??? His employer will pay as he hired the bum knowing the on going episodes. TS will probably lose his clothes too and issued orange or stripped cloth)  
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There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case.
( and who put TS in that position???)
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So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained.
( Victims are owed compensation and the attorneys know how to get it and where)
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I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me.
(That is quite understandable with these commments or questions)  
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Maybe others are curious too...
No others got the picture with their ability of reasoning. It's quite simple understanding -as the lawyer did take the case on the ability to know reasoning where compensation is coming from.      Now with boasting of all minglers mingled proudly with evil within, will they still be proud minglers??? Believe me this won't be an OJ case...

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Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: mrst53 on June 20, 2010, 04:43:28 PM
I am sure that TS has royalties still coming in or life insurance...
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 20, 2010, 04:49:08 PM
I wonder if 3ABN is still sending Tommy money. Think he took his duplication equipment to Virginia?
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: tinka on June 20, 2010, 04:57:42 PM
Johann,

Thank you, thank you for doing the quotes for me. You know, I try and try to do this and I know there is something I am missing or my computer just won't do it.
I click on quote then try to delete the rest of posts trying to do just what you and others do. A few times it worked. Then other times I click on quote and then copy just what I want to pick out to comment on and that does not work either. Maybe if you tell me click by click I will detect what I am missing to do. I know that I have to choose carefully the quote marks and that is where I think I mess up. But thank you so much for jumping in there for me.
Title: Re: Tommy Shelton arrested!
Post by: Adam on June 20, 2010, 05:46:25 PM
I wonder if 3ABN is still sending Tommy money. Think he took his duplication equipment to Virginia?

Well, inside information has told me that Tommy recently sold his house. He obviousy has some sort of money coming in seeing that he has been able to fly his wife back and forth from Virginia, to Ky, on numerous occasions.