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Title: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 26, 2010, 07:47:11 PM
The following comes from an unpublished manuscript. I will be posting more excerpts...

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Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth

“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.”  Dr. Who

In the midst of a whirlwind of accusations of adultery against Linda Shelton and Dr. Arlid Abrahamsen, one inconvenient truth stood firmly in the path of Danny Shelton's plan to separate his wife from their ministry and pave the way to privately sever himself from her through divorce: there had been no adulterous relationship between Linda and Dr. Abrahamsen. No evidence existed, because no adultery had taken place. As Dr. Abrahamsen testified in an open letter to his accusers:“...I want to clearly state that I have not committed adultery (emotional, physical, “spiritual”), and neither has Linda. The conversations we had were not unusual or inappropriate. Linda is the victim of domestic violence...”

Not to be hindered by the truth, although it clearly contradicted his scenario, Danny Shelton set about to alter the facts to fit his denunciations. For this to be successful required the participation of a number of individuals willing to sacrifice truth on the alter of Danny’s desires. Coincidentally, the individuals supporting Danny and defending his actions have gained one or all of the following through their association with 3ABN: power, position, television air time, homes or on-air endorsements. 


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: SDAminister on June 26, 2010, 08:05:32 PM
Sister,
Sounds like a screenplay to me. Any plans on putting together some kind of documentary?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 26, 2010, 08:30:18 PM
A documentary? Well....that is an intriguing thought. Perhaps a documentary would be a better avenue than a book...
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 26, 2010, 09:14:34 PM
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On June 4, 2004, Linda Shelton signed a separation agreement between herself and 3ABN, this effectively placed her in the position of being under a “gag order” until 2007. Now that gag order is over and it is time to break the silence by revealing the facts as they actually occurred and to observe how they have been misrepresented. I will let Dr. Abrahamsen’s words, written in an open letter in 2006, begin the chain of evidence:

“My name is Dr. Arild Abrahamsen. I live in Svindal, Norway. I have been a medical doctor for more than 35 years. I am a member of the Moss SDA Church. I've been the Sabbath School Superintendent for 14 years and the head elder for 4 years, which position I am presently serving. I am the Norwegian doctor who has been slandered by Dr. Walt Thompson, chairman of the board of 3ABN, Danny Shelton, John Lomacang and others.”

“Since I have observed the situation and the slander only getting worse, I feel it best to share my experience. I share my personal experience, what I have seen and heard. Much of this information has been verified by other sources, which include emails, letters and the personal experiences of others. I share my experience not to attack any individual or organization, but to bring the truth of this situation to the surface.”


“I have been shocked to observe the events of the last two years. I have made no public statement until now. I had hoped things would resolve themselves.”



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 27, 2010, 04:32:45 AM
Sister,
I think that is a very good idea, that is what we done on our case of different situation. We copied what Joy and Pickle did with all documents placed in position with the true explanation written in between documents for proof.  Our web site has been all over the world and the culprits cannot do a thing about the documents presented.  Our difference is that it ended in political corruption. It is very interesting to watch the stats on it. Hope sometime it will reach the right "Justifyer" for Justice.







Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on June 27, 2010, 09:33:16 AM
Sister,
I think finally, the truth will come out. May I ask, did you recieve the emails and letters sent out by 3abn and Danny speaking against Linda? I am just an interested observer in this. I know niether party.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 27, 2010, 01:54:10 PM
Sister,
I think finally, the truth will come out. May I ask, did you recieve the emails and letters sent out by 3abn and Danny speaking against Linda? I am just an interested observer in this. I know niether party.

No, mrst53, I did not receive any of the letters or emails from 3ABN. I am not on their mailing list, by choice.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 27, 2010, 05:06:01 PM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
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“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.”  Dr. Who


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At the time of Dr. Abrahamsen’s first meeting with Linda Shelton, he was still bereaved over the recent loss of his wife, whom he lovingly cared for through an extended illness and had buried that same year. Later Danny would accuse the Doctor of murdering his own wife, so he could come and take Danny’s wife away from him. Throughout this saga, wildly ridiculous allegations, with no basis in fact, would become the foundation upon which Danny constructed his chain of evidence to provide a way to rid himself of Linda.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 27, 2010, 05:09:22 PM
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Dr. Abrahamsen continues with the facts concerning his first visit to 3ABN and the results of his meeting with Linda and her son, Nathan: “I visited Johann and Irmgard Thorvaldsson at 3ABN the last week of 2003. The purpose of the trip was to see them and visit the ministry, which I personally had been supporting for some time. I had never been to 3ABN previously, nor had I met the Shelton’s. During this visit I discovered from the Thorvaldsson’s that Linda Shelton’s son, Nathan, was in a dangerous state of health because of an addiction to drugs and working in coal mines. I offered to see him. This visit resulted in an invitation for Nathan to come to Norway for treatments. Nathan came to Norway around January 20, 2004 along with his [girl]friend, Dava Vice.”

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2010, 05:26:38 AM
A note concerning preparation of this unpublished manuscript:

All the information for this manuscript was obtained in 2008, the research includes hundreds of hours of interviews from numerous individuals. It was written in that same year. The excerpts published here have been done so at my discretion only and have not been authorized by any other individual or groups of persons, including the principle parties discussed within the context of the manuscript.

Sister
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2010, 05:36:45 AM
Chapter 2
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Driving along Angel Lane on their way to meet Dr. Abrahamsen, at the guest apartment where Johann and Irmgard were staying, Linda turned her head to gaze upon the profile of her beloved son, although there was a smile upon her face, her eyes moistened from the emotions that were overflowing from her heart. Impulsively, she reached out and gently touched her son’s arm, startled he looked at her, “ Mom, is everything okay? You look like you are going to cry.” Shaking her head she sent a silent prayer on Nathan’s behalf, “Lord, please let this doctor be the one who can help my son, and please let Nathan be willing to be helped.” As her lips mouthed a silent, “Amen!”, they knocked on the door of the duplex apartment where they would meet the doctor from Norway.

First, Linda was delighted that Nathan had agreed to meet with a doctor and secondly she was amazed at the friendship that was so quickly developing between Nathan and Dr. Abrahamsen. For Linda this was definitely an answer to prayer. So many times Nathan had refused his mother’s attempts to seek help for him from a physician or was he willing to check himself into a treatment center. Now, when her son’s condition had so obviously deteriorated, Linda was filled with hope by this first step Nathan had taken. She was willing to go anywhere in the world, to secure the treatments Nathan needed to restore his health. “Nathan is my baby”, Linda said. “I know that a parent should not favor one child over the other, but Allysa has always been the stronger of the two. At that time she knew what she wanted for her life, she had a goal and a purpose. Allysa had always been a caring person and I was not surprised when she chose to become a Physician’s Assistant, I am so proud of her. On the other hand there was my baby, Nathan, sick and hurting and it was breaking my heart.”

To complicate matters even more, Danny was unwilling to become a part of Nathan’s recovery program. Although Nathan grew up in their home since he was a small child, Danny had turned his back upon Linda’s child from her first marriage. Nor was he willing to support his wife through this experience. How could any man, let alone one who was the head of a television network devoted to “mending broken people” behave so callously toward his wife of nineteen years and her child? Even if Nathan was a product of Linda’s first marriage, Linda was still Danny’s wife. How could a man who professed to be a Christian turn his back on his wife when she needed his support? Unless that man was already planning to turn her out of their home and was hoping in her hour of need she would turn to her son’s doctor for solace, giving Danny the evidence he needed to have Biblical grounds to divorce her—Nathan and his girlfriend discussed how it appeared that Danny was always “pushing” Linda toward the Doctor in the beginning and noticed in contrast how the Doctor never asked for information about Linda and concentrated on helping Nathan.

Unfortunately for Danny’s scheme, there were two facts he overlooked, one, Linda was not looking for another partner, she loved Danny despite his faults and remained faithful to their marriage vows. Secondly, Dr. Abrahamsen, contrary to Danny’s misrepresentations, was not interested in stealing his wife, his only concern was in helping her ailing son.
 
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2010, 09:02:34 AM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
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Further insight into the dysfunctional dynamics of the Shelton family life can be ascertained from the conversations the Doctor had with Nathan at his Clinic in Norway: “I had a chance to visit with Nathan regularly. I learned from my conversations with Nathan that the roots of his drug problems were the relationships with his father and stepfather. Specifically he told me that Danny had turned his back on him. I shared this information with his mother on the phone. She told me that Danny said he had no responsibility towards Nathan since he was a product of her first marriage, so she felt she had to do what she could to help her son. There was nothing unusual in the occasional phone reports I gave Nathan's mother while he was in Norway.”



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2010, 10:41:39 AM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
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The next time Linda was to have contact with Dr. Abrahamsen in person, in addition to a few phone calls to discuss Nathan’s progress at the Norwegian clinic, was in the first week of February. Since Danny had refused Linda’s pleas for him to become personally involved in Nathan’s recovery and join her in the trip to Dr. Abrahamsen’s clinic in Norway, she was accompanied by her “best friend” of two years, Brenda Walsh. At the time, Brenda not only appeared to be an excellent choice based upon their friendship, but with her effervescent personality she would be an entertaining companion for the long transatlantic flight.

What Linda did not realize is that behind her back a “special relationship” had developed between her husband and this same “best friend”. Later Danny would admit to Linda that he had a special emotional bond with Brenda. Brenda Walsh, had her own program on 3ABN, Kid’s Time, in addition to that she was involved in other programming on the network. Staying in 3ABN guest housing, without her husband, gave she and Danny both the time and privacy to develop their relationship. Later there were reports of Danny’s truck being parked all night in front of Brenda’s apartment and Danny being seen leaving before dawn. While Danny was accusing Linda of talking too long on the telephone with the Doctor and declaring it was incorrect behavior for a married woman to have with any man other than her husband, unbeknownst to Linda, Danny was spending many late night hours alone with a married woman in her apartment. If it wasn’t so tragic, it would be humorous in the ridiculousness of the absurdity of his accusations against Linda and his behavior with another married woman, Brenda.

Linda knew, through their talks together, that although Brenda was a married woman, she craved the adoration of other men and sought out their attention. Earlier Brenda had a surgical procedure to enlarge her breasts and was in the habit of wearing tight clothing to emphasize her figure and appeared to enjoy the effect she had on men when she brushed up against them. Although obviously some men enjoyed Brenda’s sad attempts to receive the attention she craved, this was not always the case.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 28, 2010, 11:01:12 AM
Don't want to interrupt your chapters but is Brenda still married?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 28, 2010, 11:27:19 AM
This is very enlightening, Sister. Thank you.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2010, 04:48:16 PM
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During the time Linda and Brenda were in Norway, they sang one evening at an evangelistic meeting at the church Dr. Abrahamsen attended. During the program the local church pastor translated for both Linda and Brenda and because of this he remained at Linda’s side all evening. Dr. Abrahamsen was also in attendance at that same meeting accompanied by a lady companion. During the break Brenda approached the Doctor, “Oh No...”, she said with a flirtatious smile, “You have a girlfriend, now I won’t have any chance with you!” As an uncomfortable silence hung in the air, the Doctor felt pity for a married woman who chose to flaunt herself toward other men in this manner. Unfortunately, this would not be the only time Brenda would turn her attentions upon him during this trip. In contrast to Brenda’s brazen attitude, Linda’s behavior was reported to be above reproach. When a friend asked him if he found Linda attractive Dr. Abrahamsen answered, “I find Linda’s devotion to her son and her desire for ministry attractive, but she is a happily married woman and additionally not my type. But there was a singer I have seen on 3ABN that I found very appealing, I asked Linda if she could get me her email address.”

Although rumors about an inappropriate relationship was already beginning, only one month later, the facts remain that, “Linda came for a 3-½ day visit to support her son, the first week of February together with Brenda Walsh. This was the last time I saw Linda until the weekend she was fired. After Nathan returned home, I [Arild Abrahamsen] asked Linda to keep me updated on Nathan's progress... ”

Obviously no foundation for a romantic relationship between Arild Abrahamsen and Linda Shelton was produced during Linda’s trip to his Norwegian clinic in support of her son’s treatment. But another building block in Danny’s house of lies would emerge from this trip. Although this particular story was not intended for the general public and was fabricated for another audience, the bearer of the tale would not be suspect to those unaware of her intimate relationship with Danny: Brenda Walsh. It is becoming apparent that a pattern is beginning to develop in Danny’s scheme. Although it was Brenda who was flirting with the Doctor, she claimed it was Linda. The account that she would later give of Linda and the Doctor would appear to have better described her relationship with Danny. Ascribing his own behavior to others was a tactic that Danny Shelton was well known for employing. It appears that Brenda was learning her craft at the feet of the master schemer.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on June 28, 2010, 05:01:20 PM
Sister,
Is this your own "unpublished Manuscript" or are you writing it for someone else? It really doesn't matter to me. Just asking. I may have missed it somewhere, when you mentioned it.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on June 28, 2010, 05:05:41 PM
Well, it's quite obvious your source for your "stories" is Linda -under a gag order and not talking nor involved in any accusations against DS or 3abn,  but just trying to move on--Shelton. (It should go without saying that I disagree with you and again think you are repeating lies, and acting maliciously as you have that axe to grind due to your husband being fired from 3abn... but for the record I am letting that be known again, and will post it on the other forum too.)

 I can't help it, every time I read your spins and tales I am reminded of the same E.G. White quote. I remember the first time I quoted it back on BlackSDA , and was attacked for trying to out you, and accused of editing the quote to do so, and I hadn't done either, so was like "What?!?" and then "Ok, clue one as to who she is." ;)

Here that is again for those who haven't read it. You, yourself would probably agree that Sister White was correct in speaking to Sister F, a Pastor's wife, about this problem of hers. I doubt you will agree with it applying to you, or take it to heart as you didn't before,  but others can form their own opinions and judgments here. So for what it's worth.

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Testimonies Vol 2 Chap. 4 - Evilspeaking

     Brother F has had the cause of God at heart, but he has felt too deeply, and has taken on many burdens which he should not have borne. He has suffered in health in this way. He has sometimes viewed matters in a strong light, and has been too earnest and anxious to have all see them just as he did; and because they were backward in doing so, he has felt nearly crushed. He feels to the depths, and is in danger of urging his views of things too strongly. {2T 50.1}

     Sister F wants to be a Christian, but she has not cultivated discretion and true courtesy. She is of a very sanguine turn of mind, ardent and self-confident. She shows the rough part of her character, and has not appeared to advantage. She has moved from impulse, acting just as she felt, and sometimes her feelings have been much excited and strong. She has strong likes and dislikes, and has permitted this unfortunate trait in her character to develop itself, greatly to the detriment of her own spiritual advancement and to the injury of the church. She has talked too much and unwisely, just as she felt. This has had a strong influence upon her husband, and has at times led him to move from excitement of feeling, when if he had waited and looked at matters calmly and weighed them properly, it would have been better for himself and for the church. Nothing is gained by moving hurriedly, moving from impulse, or from strong feeling. {2T 50.2}

     Sister F moves from impulse, and finds fault, and has had too much to say against her brethren and sisters. This will cause confusion in any church. If she could control her own spirit, a great victory would be gained. If she would seek the heavenly adorning, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, calls of great price, she would then be a real help to the church. If she would cherish the spirit of Christ, and become a peacemaker, her own soul would flourish, and she would be a blessing to the church wherever she might be located. Unless she is converted and an entire change is wrought in her, unless she educates herself to be slow to speak and slow to wrath, and cultivates true Christian courtesy, her influence will prove injurious, and the happiness of others connected with her will suffer. She manifests an independence which is a damage to her and alienates her friends. This independence has caused her much trouble and has wounded her best friends. {2T 51.1}

     If those who had means were close in their deal with her husband, and did not favor him more than worldlings in business transactions, she has felt and talked, and aroused feelings of dissatisfaction where none previously existed. This is a selfish world at best. Many of those who profess the truth are not sanctified by it, and may not have a heart to make even a trifling variation in the prices of produce when dealing with a poor brother, sooner than they would with an able worldling. They do not love their neighbors as themselves. It would be more pleasing to God were there less selfishness and more disinterested benevolence. {2T 51.2}

     As Sister F has seen a selfish spirit manifest in deal, she has committed a greater sin by feeling and talking in regard to the matter as she has. She has erred in expecting too much. The tongue has been truly an unruly member, a world of iniquity, set on fire of hell, untamed and untamable. Sister F has had a spirit of retaliation, manifesting by her deportment that she was offended. This was all wrong. She has cherished bitter feelings, which are foreign to the spirit of Christ. Anger, resentment, and all kinds of unkind tempers are indulged by speaking against those with whom we are displeased, and by reciting the errors and failings and sins of neighbors. The lustful desires are gratified. {2T 51.3}

     Sister F, if you are grieved because your neighbors or friends are doing wrong to their own hurt, if they are overtaken in fault, follow the Bible rule. "Tell him his fault between thee and him alone." As you go to the one you suppose to be in error, see that you speak in a meek and lowly spirit; for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. The erring can be restored in no other way than in the spirit of meekness, gentleness, and tender love. Be careful in your manner. Avoid anything in look or gesture, word or tone, that savors of pride or self-sufficiency. Guard yourself against a word or look that would exalt yourself, or place your goodness and righteousness in contrast with their failings. Beware of the most distant approach to disdain, overbearing, or contempt. With care avoid every appearance of anger; and though you use plainness of speech, let there be no reproach, no railing accusation, no token of warmth but that of earnest love. Above all, let there be no shadow of hate or ill will, no bitterness or sourness of expression. Nothing but kindness and gentleness can flow from a heart of love. Yet all these precious fruits need not hinder you from speaking in the most serious, solemn manner, as though angels were directing their eyes upon you, and you were acting in reference to the coming judgment. Bear in mind that the success of reproof depends greatly upon the spirit in which it is given. Do not neglect earnest prayer that you may possess a lowly mind, and that angels of God may go before you to work upon the hearts you are trying to reach, and so soften them by heavenly impressions that your efforts may avail. If any good is accomplished, take no credit to yourself. God alone should be exalted. God alone has done it all. {2T 52.1}

     You have excused yourself for speaking evil of your brother or sister or neighbor to others before going to him and taking the steps which God has absolutely commanded. You say: "Why, I did not speak to anyone until I was so burdened that I could not refrain." What burdened you? Was it not a plain neglect of your own duty, of a thus saith the Lord? You were under the guilt of sin because you did not go and tell the offender his fault between you and him alone. If you did not do this, if you disobeyed God, how could you be otherwise than burdened unless your heart was hardened while you were trampling the command of God underfoot, and in your heart hating your brother or neighbor? And what way have you found to unburden yourself? God reproves you for a sin of omission in not telling your brother his fault, and you excuse and comfort yourself by a sin of commission by telling your brother's faults to another person! Is this the right way to purchase ease--by committing sin? {2T 53.1}

     All your efforts to save the erring may be unavailing. They may repay you evil for good. They may be enraged rather than convinced. What if they hear to no good purpose, and pursue the evil course they have begun? This will frequently occur. Sometimes the mildest and tenderest reproof will have no good effect. In that case the blessing you wanted another to receive by pursuing a course of righteousness, ceasing to do evil and learning to do well, will return into your own bosom.
If the erring persist in sin, treat them kindly, and leave them with your heavenly Father. You have delivered your soul; their sin no longer rests upon you; you are not now partaker of their sin. But if they perish, their blood is upon their own head. {2T 53.2}

     Dear friend, an entire transformation must take place in you, or you will be weighed in the balance and found wanting. The church at -----, especially talking women, have a lesson to learn. "If any man [or woman] among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain." Many will be weighed in the balance and found wanting in this matter of so great importance. Where are the Christians who walk by this rule? who will take God's part against the evilspeaker? who will please God, and set a watch, a continual watch, before the mouth, and keep the door of the lips? Speak evil of no man. Hear evil of no man. If there be no hearers, there will be no speakers of evil. If anyone speaks evil in your presence, check him. Refuse to hear him, though his manner be ever so soft and his accents mild. He may profess attachment, and yet throw out covert hints and stab the character in the dark. {2T 54.1}

     Resolutely refuse to hear, though the whisperer complains of being burdened till he speak. Burdened indeed! with a cursed secret which separateth very friends. Go, burdened ones, and free yourselves from your burden in God's appointed way. First go tell your brother his fault between you and him alone. If this fail, next take with you one or two friends, and tell him in their presence. If these steps fail, then tell it to the church. Not an unbeliever is to be made acquainted with the slightest particular of the matter. Telling it to the church is the last step to be taken. Publish it not to the enemies of our faith. They have no right to the knowledge of church matters, lest the weakness and errors of Christ's followers be exposed. {2T 54.2}

     Those who are preparing for the coming of Christ should  be sober and watch unto prayer, for our adversary, the devil, goeth about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour; whom we are to resist steadfast in the faith. "He that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open unto their prayers."                                               -
{2T 54.3}


Chap. 214 - The Substance of Moral Character

Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you. 2 Cor. 10:15.

   You should keep off from Satan's enchanted ground and not allow your minds to be swayed from allegiance to God. Through Christ you may and should be happy and should acquire habits of self-control. Even your thoughts must be brought into subjection to the will of God and your feelings under the control of reason and religion. Your imagination was not given you to be allowed to run riot and have its own way without any effort at restraint or discipline. If the thoughts are wrong the feelings will be wrong, and the thoughts and feelings combined make up the moral character. . . . If you yield to your impressions and allow your thoughts to run in a channel of suspicion, doubt, and repining you will be among the most unhappy of mortals. . . . {Mar 222.1}

     Dear Sister F, you have a diseased imagination; and you dishonor God by allowing your feelings to have complete control of your reason and judgment. You have a determined will, which causes the mind to react upon the body, unbalancing the circulation and producing congestion in certain organs; and you are sacrificing health to your feelings. {Mar 222.2}

     You are making a mistake, which, if not corrected, will not end with wrecking your own happiness merely. You are doing positive injury, not only to yourself, but to the other members of your family. . . . You have . . . let your highly wrought imagination control reason. . . . Had you no power over your feelings, this would not be sin; but it will not answer thus to yield to the enemy. Your will needs to be sanctified and subdued instead of being arrayed in opposition to that of God. . . . {Mar 222.3}

     Man has been placed in a world of sorrow, care, and perplexity. He is placed here to be tested and proved, as were Adam and Eve, that he may develop a right character and bring harmony out of discord and confusion. There is much for us to do that is essential. . . . And there is much for us to enjoy. Through Christ we are brought into connection with God. His mercies place us under continual obligation; feeling unworthy of His favors, we are to appreciate even the least of them. {Mar 222.4}
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on June 28, 2010, 05:30:45 PM
Ian, the fevered imaginations were hard at work on this story long before Sister joined the fray. They were busy concocting stories about Linda and others, and their lives have become misreable as a result. It appears as Mrs. White was correct.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 28, 2010, 05:44:56 PM
Ian,

I knew it was a matter of quick time here till this drew some of the "clan" out. I intend to read these documents and they very well fit in to the documents between.
first of all I was waiting to see who it would draw out first. Now if you have a documentary that you would like to set in here I suppose you can but you see truth has it's sequence and details that just aren't pulled out of the blue.  

Now you probably have the same privilege. So lets hear it without all the Satanic display that Satan used against Jesus high on the penicle.  You have nothing to say unless you can prove a document that witnesses did not see any of this.

People in their right mind do not make up stories that the ones involved can come back and say hey, that never happened. So you see Sister is not that stupid to say someone saw DS at Brenda's without knowing who saw it in case it came to a court of law. Or the Dr. saying what he has and jepordizeing his career. Then their are oaths where they would know better then to put it on paper knowing it could end up in court.

 Right now you are playing the devils folly unless you can better tell the story incident by incident without the heresay from DS. I think you must be on that horrible site of Leon or who ever that idiot is. Nothing was more appalling when I ventured there. Let alone trying to understand any of what was said.

  Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first.

 Sister has every right to give what she knows even if she is getting info from LS, Dr. Johann, or what friends that did know the truth. You really have no right to do this as Sister has freedom of speech to give the account. You do not have an account of details or you would be on the other side of the fence. Maybe you and crazt Leon (?) on the other web can put and english speaking documentary together. Now that web site really has me angry. First of all it is not even Christian in anyway shape or form. So just direct yourself to another thread because we heard enough of your say.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on June 28, 2010, 05:58:32 PM

Tinka, I have no intention of attempting to prove one thing to you, now or ever, or even ever replying to you again. Sorry. You have already accepted what Sister wrote without asking for any proof, and obviously consider you need none to believe evil of DS and 3abn, no matter who says it,  and are attacking me for daring to say it's not true, as is your habit with anyone who does so, so ... That's who you are and who you choose to be.
 
That's your choice... and it would be a waste of my  time to even try to change an adamant mind. Especially as Brenda Walsh wrote a affidavit/letter about  part of this already and you claim to have read all so have no excuse not to know that, or to have read it.

Some make lies and others love them, and , hello, wake up! liars do make up stories, Tinka! As far as I am concerned you love those made up stories, but refuse to consider that, regardless, all who make and love lies will be outside the city, and you alone are responsible for what you do, say and believe.

And you spilled the spite, trash and lies you love right out of your mouth:
" Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first."



Good bye!


Ian,

I knew it was a matter of quick time here till this drew some of the "clan" out. I intend to read these documents and they very well fit in to the documents between.
first of all I was waiting to see who it would draw out first. Now if you have a documentary that you would like to set in here I suppose you can but you see truth has it's sequence and details that just aren't pulled out of the blue.  

Now you probably have the same privilege. So lets hear it without all the Satanic display that Satan used against Jesus high on the penicle.  You have nothing to say unless you can prove a document that witnesses did not see any of this.

People in their right mind do not make up stories that the ones involved can come back and say hey, that never happened. So you see Sister is not that stupid to say someone saw DS at Brenda's without knowing who saw it in case it came to a court of law. Or the Dr. saying what he has and jepordizeing his career. Then their are oaths where they would know better then to put it on paper knowing it could end up in court.

 Right now you are playing the devils folly unless you can better tell the story incident by incident without the heresay from DS. I think you must be on that horrible site of Leon or who ever that idiot is. Nothing was more appalling when I ventured there. Let alone trying to understand any of what was said.

  Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first.

 Sister has every right to give what she knows even if she is getting info from LS, Dr. Johann, or what friends that did know the truth. You really have no right to do this as Sister has freedom of speech to give the account. You do not have an account of details or you would be on the other side of the fence. Maybe you and crazt Leon (?) on the other web can put and english speaking documentary together. Now that web site really has me angry. First of all it is not even Christian in anyway shape or form. So just direct yourself to another thread because we heard enough of your say.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 28, 2010, 06:01:18 PM
Well, it's quite obvious your source for your "stories" is Linda -under a gag order and not talking nor involved in any accusations against DS or 3abn,  but just trying to move on--Shelton. (It should go without saying that I disagree with you and again think you are repeating lies, and acting maliciously as you have that axe to grind due to your husband being fired from 3abn... but for the record I am letting that be known again, and will post it on the other forum too.)

 I can't help it, every time I read your spins and tales I am reminded of the same E.G. White quote. I remember the first time I quoted it back on BlackSDA , and was attacked for trying to out you, and accused of editing the quote to do so, and I hadn't done either, so was like "What?!?" and then "Ok, clue one as to who she is." ;)

Here that is again for those who haven't read it. You, yourself would probably agree that Sister White was correct in speaking to Sister F, a Pastor's wife, about this problem of hers. I doubt you will agree with it applying to you, or take it to heart as you didn't before,  but others can form their own opinions and judgments here. So for what it's worth.

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Testimonies Vol 2 Chap. 4 - Evilspeaking

     Brother F has had the cause of God at heart, but he has felt too deeply, and has taken on many burdens which he should not have borne. He has suffered in health in this way. He has sometimes viewed matters in a strong light, and has been too earnest and anxious to have all see them just as he did; and because they were backward in doing so, he has felt nearly crushed. He feels to the depths, and is in danger of urging his views of things too strongly. {2T 50.1}

     Sister F wants to be a Christian, but she has not cultivated discretion and true courtesy. She is of a very sanguine turn of mind, ardent and self-confident. She shows the rough part of her character, and has not appeared to advantage. She has moved from impulse, acting just as she felt, and sometimes her feelings have been much excited and strong. She has strong likes and dislikes, and has permitted this unfortunate trait in her character to develop itself, greatly to the detriment of her own spiritual advancement and to the injury of the church. She has talked too much and unwisely, just as she felt. This has had a strong influence upon her husband, and has at times led him to move from excitement of feeling, when if he had waited and looked at matters calmly and weighed them properly, it would have been better for himself and for the church. Nothing is gained by moving hurriedly, moving from impulse, or from strong feeling. {2T 50.2}

     Sister F moves from impulse, and finds fault, and has had too much to say against her brethren and sisters. This will cause confusion in any church. If she could control her own spirit, a great victory would be gained. If she would seek the heavenly adorning, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, calls of great price, she would then be a real help to the church. If she would cherish the spirit of Christ, and become a peacemaker, her own soul would flourish, and she would be a blessing to the church wherever she might be located. Unless she is converted and an entire change is wrought in her, unless she educates herself to be slow to speak and slow to wrath, and cultivates true Christian courtesy, her influence will prove injurious, and the happiness of others connected with her will suffer. She manifests an independence which is a damage to her and alienates her friends. This independence has caused her much trouble and has wounded her best friends. {2T 51.1}

     If those who had means were close in their deal with her husband, and did not favor him more than worldlings in business transactions, she has felt and talked, and aroused feelings of dissatisfaction where none previously existed. This is a selfish world at best. Many of those who profess the truth are not sanctified by it, and may not have a heart to make even a trifling variation in the prices of produce when dealing with a poor brother, sooner than they would with an able worldling. They do not love their neighbors as themselves. It would be more pleasing to God were there less selfishness and more disinterested benevolence. {2T 51.2}

     As Sister F has seen a selfish spirit manifest in deal, she has committed a greater sin by feeling and talking in regard to the matter as she has. She has erred in expecting too much. The tongue has been truly an unruly member, a world of iniquity, set on fire of hell, untamed and untamable. Sister F has had a spirit of retaliation, manifesting by her deportment that she was offended. This was all wrong. She has cherished bitter feelings, which are foreign to the spirit of Christ. Anger, resentment, and all kinds of unkind tempers are indulged by speaking against those with whom we are displeased, and by reciting the errors and failings and sins of neighbors. The lustful desires are gratified. {2T 51.3}

     Sister F, if you are grieved because your neighbors or friends are doing wrong to their own hurt, if they are overtaken in fault, follow the Bible rule. "Tell him his fault between thee and him alone." As you go to the one you suppose to be in error, see that you speak in a meek and lowly spirit; for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God. The erring can be restored in no other way than in the spirit of meekness, gentleness, and tender love. Be careful in your manner. Avoid anything in look or gesture, word or tone, that savors of pride or self-sufficiency. Guard yourself against a word or look that would exalt yourself, or place your goodness and righteousness in contrast with their failings. Beware of the most distant approach to disdain, overbearing, or contempt. With care avoid every appearance of anger; and though you use plainness of speech, let there be no reproach, no railing accusation, no token of warmth but that of earnest love. Above all, let there be no shadow of hate or ill will, no bitterness or sourness of expression. Nothing but kindness and gentleness can flow from a heart of love. Yet all these precious fruits need not hinder you from speaking in the most serious, solemn manner, as though angels were directing their eyes upon you, and you were acting in reference to the coming judgment. Bear in mind that the success of reproof depends greatly upon the spirit in which it is given. Do not neglect earnest prayer that you may possess a lowly mind, and that angels of God may go before you to work upon the hearts you are trying to reach, and so soften them by heavenly impressions that your efforts may avail. If any good is accomplished, take no credit to yourself. God alone should be exalted. God alone has done it all. {2T 52.1}

     You have excused yourself for speaking evil of your brother or sister or neighbor to others before going to him and taking the steps which God has absolutely commanded. You say: "Why, I did not speak to anyone until I was so burdened that I could not refrain." What burdened you? Was it not a plain neglect of your own duty, of a thus saith the Lord? You were under the guilt of sin because you did not go and tell the offender his fault between you and him alone. If you did not do this, if you disobeyed God, how could you be otherwise than burdened unless your heart was hardened while you were trampling the command of God underfoot, and in your heart hating your brother or neighbor? And what way have you found to unburden yourself? God reproves you for a sin of omission in not telling your brother his fault, and you excuse and comfort yourself by a sin of commission by telling your brother's faults to another person! Is this the right way to purchase ease--by committing sin? {2T 53.1}

     All your efforts to save the erring may be unavailing. They may repay you evil for good. They may be enraged rather than convinced. What if they hear to no good purpose, and pursue the evil course they have begun? This will frequently occur. Sometimes the mildest and tenderest reproof will have no good effect. In that case the blessing you wanted another to receive by pursuing a course of righteousness, ceasing to do evil and learning to do well, will return into your own bosom.
If the erring persist in sin, treat them kindly, and leave them with your heavenly Father. You have delivered your soul; their sin no longer rests upon you; you are not now partaker of their sin. But if they perish, their blood is upon their own head. {2T 53.2}

     Dear friend, an entire transformation must take place in you, or you will be weighed in the balance and found wanting. The church at -----, especially talking women, have a lesson to learn. "If any man [or woman] among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain." Many will be weighed in the balance and found wanting in this matter of so great importance. Where are the Christians who walk by this rule? who will take God's part against the evilspeaker? who will please God, and set a watch, a continual watch, before the mouth, and keep the door of the lips? Speak evil of no man. Hear evil of no man. If there be no hearers, there will be no speakers of evil. If anyone speaks evil in your presence, check him. Refuse to hear him, though his manner be ever so soft and his accents mild. He may profess attachment, and yet throw out covert hints and stab the character in the dark. {2T 54.1}

     Resolutely refuse to hear, though the whisperer complains of being burdened till he speak. Burdened indeed! with a cursed secret which separateth very friends. Go, burdened ones, and free yourselves from your burden in God's appointed way. First go tell your brother his fault between you and him alone. If this fail, next take with you one or two friends, and tell him in their presence. If these steps fail, then tell it to the church. Not an unbeliever is to be made acquainted with the slightest particular of the matter. Telling it to the church is the last step to be taken. Publish it not to the enemies of our faith. They have no right to the knowledge of church matters, lest the weakness and errors of Christ's followers be exposed. {2T 54.2}

     Those who are preparing for the coming of Christ should  be sober and watch unto prayer, for our adversary, the devil, goeth about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour; whom we are to resist steadfast in the faith. "He that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile: let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it. For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and His ears are open unto their prayers."                                               -
{2T 54.3}


Chap. 214 - The Substance of Moral Character

Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you. 2 Cor. 10:15.

   You should keep off from Satan's enchanted ground and not allow your minds to be swayed from allegiance to God. Through Christ you may and should be happy and should acquire habits of self-control. Even your thoughts must be brought into subjection to the will of God and your feelings under the control of reason and religion. Your imagination was not given you to be allowed to run riot and have its own way without any effort at restraint or discipline. If the thoughts are wrong the feelings will be wrong, and the thoughts and feelings combined make up the moral character. . . . If you yield to your impressions and allow your thoughts to run in a channel of suspicion, doubt, and repining you will be among the most unhappy of mortals. . . . {Mar 222.1}

     Dear Sister F, you have a diseased imagination; and you dishonor God by allowing your feelings to have complete control of your reason and judgment. You have a determined will, which causes the mind to react upon the body, unbalancing the circulation and producing congestion in certain organs; and you are sacrificing health to your feelings. {Mar 222.2}

     You are making a mistake, which, if not corrected, will not end with wrecking your own happiness merely. You are doing positive injury, not only to yourself, but to the other members of your family. . . . You have . . . let your highly wrought imagination control reason. . . . Had you no power over your feelings, this would not be sin; but it will not answer thus to yield to the enemy. Your will needs to be sanctified and subdued instead of being arrayed in opposition to that of God. . . . {Mar 222.3}

     Man has been placed in a world of sorrow, care, and perplexity. He is placed here to be tested and proved, as were Adam and Eve, that he may develop a right character and bring harmony out of discord and confusion. There is much for us to do that is essential. . . . And there is much for us to enjoy. Through Christ we are brought into connection with God. His mercies place us under continual obligation; feeling unworthy of His favors, we are to appreciate even the least of them. {Mar 222.4}

:ROFL: In the famous words of Cindy, "Oh, brother."
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2010, 06:10:19 PM
Sister,
Is this your own "unpublished Manuscript" or are you writing it for someone else? It really doesn't matter to me. Just asking. I may have missed it somewhere, when you mentioned it.

Mrst53, you did not miss it. I have chosen not to addressed the issue of the authorship of this manuscript.

Sister
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 28, 2010, 06:15:05 PM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Continued...


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In Norway Dr. Abrahamsen hears the news from Johann Thorvaldsson of what was transpiring on the 3ABN compound in southern Illinois: “I was shocked to discover in early March of 2004 that Danny was threatening to get Linda fired from 3ABN because of some conversations on the phone. In fact, she was threatened immediately with divorce. By this time Nathan had started with drugs again and Linda was seeking advice. I was also shocked to discover that Brenda had started circulating untrue statements as well. (Was it because Danny had admitted to some emotional involvement with Brenda?) I talked to Danny one time on the phone and found him to be unreasonable, unbalanced and very difficult to communicate with. Johann Thorvaldsson, a retired pastor of the SDA Church of 50 years, also was in communication with Danny, both by phone and email. We talked together and shared the same opinion that Danny was acting completely irrational and unreasonable towards his wife. It appeared he was attempting to leave an email trail filled with untruths to verify a position at a later time. The decision was made to stop the communication by phone with Linda.”


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 28, 2010, 06:35:56 PM

Tinka, I have no intention of attempting to prove one thing to you, now or ever, or even ever replying to you again. If you had proof Ian, you have every opportunity to just spit it out and say it connecting the dots, but you do not do that.  Sorry. You have already accepted what Sister wrote without asking for any proof  , and obviously consider you need none to believe evil of DS and 3abn, no matter who says it, (do you realize with details comes proof and then a person can connect the dots with details that correspond with actions and documents, where are yours, I have asked and asked)  and are attacking me for daring to say it's not true, as is your habit with anyone who does so, so ... That's who you are and who you choose to be.( My habit or actions or voicing is my dismay and total shock of what people had the audacity to do with sacrifice of funds,)
That's your choice... (my choice is to know truth however I can get it and then realize all the facts)and it would be a waste of my time to even try to change an adamant mind. ( I use my mind as a jury would and decide by right values who is telling truth and the effort they give to do it.)Especially as Brenda Walsh wrote a affidavit/letter about  part of this already and you claim to have read all so have no excuse not to know that, or to have read it. (Brenda lied about the Florida trip, why would anyone believe her now)

Some make lies and others love them, and , hello, wake up! liars do make up stories, Tinka! As far as I am concerned you love those made up stories, but refuse to consider that, regardless, all who make and love lies will be outside the city, and you alone are responsible for what you do, say and believe. ( Haven't you guessed so far that I hate the lies, I hate the missuse of funds, I hate there are victims of TS, I hate the nebbie lies of DS over and over to get the funds. HE wasn't even paying the bill for 3 angels broadcast and a lie put out for that until I called the Engineers and saw lack of payment. But the jets were still flying. Just too much Ian, for you to gather up and display. Just too much. Just can't figure you out or anyone that can't understand why some of us are standing for the end of this corruption.)
And you spilled the spite, trash and lies you love right out of your mouth:
" Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first." So right here on the spot did Brenda do it or did she not. Here's your chance for proof. IF no answer -I guess you don't want to say yes she did it as she is part of the part "clan". It is no longer personal. I did not know that so don't contribute that to me like you always do when I comment on someones post.  


Good bye!


Ian,

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 28, 2010, 06:56:40 PM
It's useless Tinka, Cindy is ALWAYS right! :ROFL:

Tinka, I have no intention of attempting to prove one thing to you, now or ever, or even ever replying to you again. If you had proof Ian, you have every opportunity to just spit it out and say it connecting the dots, but you do not do that.  Sorry. You have already accepted what Sister wrote without asking for any proof  , and obviously consider you need none to believe evil of DS and 3abn, no matter who says it, (do you realize with details comes proof and then a person can connect the dots with details that correspond with actions and documents, where are yours, I have asked and asked)  and are attacking me for daring to say it's not true, as is your habit with anyone who does so, so ... That's who you are and who you choose to be.( My habit or actions or voicing is my dismay and total shock of what people had the audacity to do with sacrifice of funds,)
That's your choice... (my choice is to know truth however I can get it and then realize all the facts)and it would be a waste of my time to even try to change an adamant mind. ( I use my mind as a jury would and decide by right values who is telling truth and the effort they give to do it.)Especially as Brenda Walsh wrote a affidavit/letter about  part of this already and you claim to have read all so have no excuse not to know that, or to have read it. (Brenda lied about the Florida trip, why would anyone believe her now)

Some make lies and others love them, and , hello, wake up! liars do make up stories, Tinka! As far as I am concerned you love those made up stories, but refuse to consider that, regardless, all who make and love lies will be outside the city, and you alone are responsible for what you do, say and believe. ( Haven't you guessed so far that I hate the lies, I hate the missuse of funds, I hate there are victims of TS, I hate the nebbie lies of DS over and over to get the funds. HE wasn't even paying the bill for 3 angels broadcast and a lie put out for that until I called the Engineers and saw lack of payment. But the jets were still flying. Just too much Ian, for you to gather up and display. Just too much. Just can't figure you out or anyone that can't understand why some of us are standing for the end of this corruption.)
And you spilled the spite, trash and lies you love right out of your mouth:
" Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first." So right here on the spot did Brenda do it or did she not. Here's your chance for proof. IF no answer -I guess you don't want to say yes she did it as she is part of the part "clan". It is no longer personal. I did not know that so don't contribute that to me like you always do when I comment on someones post.  


Good bye!


Ian,

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Snoopy on June 28, 2010, 07:41:35 PM


There have even been pornography sitings over there, tinka.


Ian,

I knew it was a matter of quick time here till this drew some of the "clan" out. I intend to read these documents and they very well fit in to the documents between.
first of all I was waiting to see who it would draw out first. Now if you have a documentary that you would like to set in here I suppose you can but you see truth has it's sequence and details that just aren't pulled out of the blue.  

Now you probably have the same privilege. So lets hear it without all the Satanic display that Satan used against Jesus high on the penicle.  You have nothing to say unless you can prove a document that witnesses did not see any of this.

People in their right mind do not make up stories that the ones involved can come back and say hey, that never happened. So you see Sister is not that stupid to say someone saw DS at Brenda's without knowing who saw it in case it came to a court of law. Or the Dr. saying what he has and jepordizeing his career. Then their are oaths where they would know better then to put it on paper knowing it could end up in court.

 Right now you are playing the devils folly unless you can better tell the story incident by incident without the heresay from DS. I think you must be on that horrible site of Leon or who ever that idiot is. Nothing was more appalling when I ventured there. Let alone trying to understand any of what was said.

  Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first.

 Sister has every right to give what she knows even if she is getting info from LS, Dr. Johann, or what friends that did know the truth. You really have no right to do this as Sister has freedom of speech to give the account. You do not have an account of details or you would be on the other side of the fence. Maybe you and crazt Leon (?) on the other web can put and english speaking documentary together. Now that web site really has me angry. First of all it is not even Christian in anyway shape or form. So just direct yourself to another thread because we heard enough of your say.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on June 28, 2010, 07:42:04 PM
Sister,
I think finally, the truth will come out. May I ask, did you recieve the emails and letters sent out by 3abn and Danny speaking against Linda? I am just an interested observer in this. I know niether party.

No, mrst53, I did not receive any of the letters or emails from 3ABN. I am not on their mailing list, by choice.

Mrst53,
Have you noticed yet how no one you ask can prove these letters allegedly made against Linda were mailed out (in mass as was claimed), that no one can quote what they allegedly said, or prove that they even exist?


Here are the facts Linda met the Doctor, problems ensued, and she was put on administrative leave 5 mos later, then removed from the 3abn board, then fired from her job, and then divorced 6 mos later in June of 2004.

Here are the only public announcements made by 3abn about that (and there are no other ones made to the public in mass, or even mailed out privately during that time)


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Statement Regarding Linda Shelton
   
Linda Shelton is on a leave of absence from Three Angels Broadcasting Network. Due to employee confidentiality, we cannot provide details on Mrs. Shelton's leave of absence. Danny Shelton continues in his role as president to oversee and manage 3ABN operations.

With the professional assistance of members of our board, our president, and the rest of the 3ABN leadership team, 3ABN will continue to deliver its message of faith and hope to its many viewers throughout the world.

Posted May 20, 2004.

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Statement Regarding Linda Shelton

    Because of decisions Linda Shelton has made that have taken her in a different direction than that of the ministry, the Board of Directors of Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN) regrets to say that she is no longer an employee of 3ABN.

    Posted June 17, 2004.


Nothing else was ever said except the following after the article published in a adventist magazine (A-Today)  based on Linda's own statements via email and on a website she started, registered to Danny's ex son-in law Mundall,  and published interviewing Johann,( ex 3abn Liason to Europe) and  Darell Mundall - fired from 3 ABN( her defenders) That article was published in the May- June edition. 3ABN posted a response on that magazines website in reply,and then a announcement on their website the same day. They are below:

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3abn response to AToday article.

    Three Angels Broadcasting Responds to Schwisow
    July 1, 2004 - 12:00pm - Walter Thompson

    The story by Edwin Schwisow regarding Linda Shelton's recent termination from Three Angels Broadcasting contains a number of basic factual inaccuracies. Even more troubling, given that Adventist Today holds itself out as a Christian, Adventist publication, is the highly misleading slant the article gives to the events by its reliance on "reports" and "sources" from only one side of the matter. It seems that no one currently from Three Angels was spoken to regarding the claims of this story prior to its being sent to the printer.

    

    As chairman of the board, I was involved with this matter early on, and led the independent fact-finding committee that investigated it. We sought intensely for reconciliation, but ultimately we were forced to recommend the termination of Mrs. Shelton from Three Angels. I list below the most troubling aspects of Mr. Schwisow's story.
    1

    The story of Danny and Linda's separation and divorce is a deeply personal, very sad event that has caused deep pain to all involved. To characterize the event as a "move that consolidates Danny Shelton at Three Angels helm" and as a sort of "coup", as the article claims, is untrue and even offensive to those of us involved in the decision. For the president of a religious ministry to engineer or pursue a divorce to enhance his standing or position at the ministry would be very foolish. Such an extraordinary claim would require extraordinary evidence to support it. Your author has not even ordinary evidence to support it, but is merely engaged in a cynical kind of speculation.

    Danny is still the president of Three Angels, and has the full confidence of the board. But these events have caused Three Angels leadership to recognize that Danny needs greater assistance and support in carrying out that role, and the board chairman and others have become more involved in oversight activities. One example is a recently appointed manager of operations to assist Danny in his responsibilities.
    2

    Mr. Schwisow's attempts to support his "theory" of the meaning of the events at Three Angels by a number of references to claims made by "sources close to Linda Shelton". While he would no doubt deny that he is according these claims the status of "facts", he uses them as though they were. To print and repeat allegations from one side of the story, without acknowledging the views and claims presented by the other side, is to accord the former an unchallenged and privileged status usually accorded only to verified facts.

    Anyone who considers the recent events at Three Angels as a "coup" or a "coup-in-the-works" is sadly misinformed and ignorant of the multiple efforts made over several months by Christian leaders to bring reconciliation to both Danny and Linda and to Linda and Three Angels. The list includes Danny and Linda's local pastor; meetings with professional Christian counselors; meetings with myself as board chairman; a review of the facts and further meetings and attempts at reconciliation by an investigative committee made up of Bill Hulsey, an Adventist layman and mayor of Collegedale; Dr. Kay Kuzma, Adventist family expert and author; Nicholas Miller, an Adventist attorney from a national law firm; and myself. Only after multiple efforts by these persons to achieve reconciliation failed was the matter reluctantly taken to the board for final resolution. This sequence of events is no secret. Three Angels described these efforts to its supporters in a letter sent out earlier last summer. Since then, Pastor Mark Finley has made further attempts at reconciliation, all to no avail.
    3

    Likewise, the printing of claims regarding Linda's relationship with the Norwegian physician to be solely about her son's treatment is to promote a story which the facts do not support. Without going into detail, we have solid evidence that, prior to her divorce and termination, Linda spent considerable time with this physician, both on the telephone and in person, in a manner inappropriate for a leader of a Christian ministry, or for any married woman for that matter. These contacts, inappropriate in their length, subject matter, and subterfuge, continued despite requests by both Danny and other Three Angels leadership that they cease. It is also clear, even by Linda's own admission, that the vast majority of these interactions had nothing to do with medical treatments for her son. In the short time since her divorce, Linda has traveled to Europe twice for nearly five weeks to spend time with this physician. These recent trips, which were taken without her son, have caused many of Linda's formerly die-hard supporters to recognize the truth of the matter of Linda's inappropriate relationship, and to cease their efforts in defending her.

    4

    The claim that Melody Shelton has begun to regularly appear as co-host is untrue. Melody sings from time to time on Three Angels, but has never co-hosted a program, and tries to avoid public speaking. The truth is that a variety of people have been assisting Danny with hosting responsibilities, and even hosting programs on their own. Of necessity, others are playing roles that Linda has played at Three Angels, but no one has "replaced" Linda. It is doubtful in my opinion that anyone ever will or can replace her unique combination of gifts.
    5

    Mr. Schwisow cannot seem to decide if the Shelton's unfortunate split is an effort calculated to revive a flagging ministry, as he suggests in paragraph 11, or a grave disruption that will harm Three Angels' prospects over the coming year, as in paragraph 12. Fortunately, neither theory or projection is true. These unfortunate events, which have been strongly resisted rather than cultivated, have caused both the leadership and supporters of Three Angels to draw together in prayer and support for the ministry. We have chosen to view these events with the eye of faith, looking for the opportunity the Lord always brings at a time of crisis. Due to this, Three Angels has significantly expanded, nearly doubled, its potential viewers, and financial support is well ahead of where it was last year at this time. Your author's prediction of a "less-than-banner-year", whether he meant number of viewers or financial support, is not supported by the facts.

    In my view, this article is far from being simple news story that recites the facts in a fair and balanced fashion. Rather, it is a story with an agenda. I am not opposed to a story with an agenda, when it is not presented as a news story, when there has been a careful review of both sides of the matter, and where the author is quite certain of his or her facts. Such is not the case here. Rather, a few facts have been mixed in with a number of allegations from one side of the story, and then it has been stirred together with an anti-Danny Shelton, anti-Three Angels slant.

    I am in favor of a church of greater openness. Events, good and bad, at times need to be aired and reported on. But it is an axiom of Christian charity that we should seek to put the most reasonably positive construction on events rather than the most negative. Mr. Schwisow's story fails on this most fundamental and elemental of tests. We hope that Adventist Today will hold future stories regarding Three Angels and other Christian ministries and leaders to a higher standard.

    Walter Thompson, M.D., Chairman of the Board

    Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.




Posted on 3abn.org  the same day.  July 1, 2004

Quote
   Dear 3ABN Family:

    You may have heard by now of changes that have recently happened at Three Angels Broadcasting Network. We believe we owe you, as a loyal supporter of this ministry, an accounting of recent events regarding the former Vice President of 3ABN.

    Out of respect for the privacy of those involved, we cannot reveal all details. But after prayer and reflection, we are convicted that we should share with you what we responsibly can.

    You may have noticed that Linda Shelton has not appeared on 3ABN telecasts for the last few weeks. That is because as of June 1, 2004, the 3ABN Board of Directors removed Linda from her role as Vice President and as a board member. More recently, she has been discontinued as an employee of 3ABN as well.

    We want to assure you that this decision was not made by one or two people, nor was it made in one or two weeks. Rather, the situation developed over nearly five months, and was dealt with by the full 3ABN leadership, including its Board of Directors.

    The issue relates to a matter that arose in Danny and Linda Shelton's marriage. They were not able to resolve the matter, despite many attempts with their local pastor and other counselors. It was then brought to my attention as Chairman of the Board.

    In order to make a thorough, fair and independent review of the matter, I convened a fact-finding committee of well-known Adventists who are not employees of 3ABN. The committee consisted of myself; William Hulsey, a businessman and mayor of Collegedale, Tennessee; and Kay Kuzma, author and family issues expert. We were counseled in our deliberations and review by Nicholas Miller, an Adventist attorney associated with a major national law firm.

    The committee members spoke with all relevant witnesses. It invited Linda to meet with the full committee and to present any witnesses she might wish to have speak on her behalf.
    Upon reviewing the situation, it was clear to the 3ABN leadership that the source of the conflict lay in certain choices that Linda was making. We asked her, both verbally and in writing, to make different choices. She refused.

    Under the circumstances, the board had no real choice but to take the actions it did in regards to Linda’s position at 3ABN. Should Linda reconsider her course of conduct, we would also reconsider our decision regarding her role at 3ABN.

    Please pray for Linda, for Danny, and for the 3ABN ministry during this time. We believe in a God of miracles, who can renew and restore. This ministry was started and built through a series of miracles. Those miracles continue to this day, and we believe that many more are yet to come.

    We believe that this ministry will continue to move forward, taking its direction from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is His ministry, and not that of any man or woman. The Board of Directors, President Danny Shelton, and I as Chairman, are committed to doing His will with this organization.

    Please join us in supporting 3ABN with your prayers and financial support. We know you have done so in the past, and we are deeply thankful for it. But right now the devil is doing his best to derail this work because we are pressing the front close to his strongholds.

    This month we added a quarter of a billion potential viewers in India, as our signal is being placed on cable systems through much of this Hindu nation of 1.1 billion souls. This effectively doubles the viewership of 3ABN, virtually overnight. We are also being placed on the most-watched cable-network in the Washington D.C. area, giving us access to the political and thought leaders of our country.

    Please don’t let the devil succeed in heading off the vital work of 3ABN at this crucial time. You have faithfully supported this ministry in the past. Show us your continued resolve and support by making a faith pledge or donation to support us during this tremendous expansion of our coverage.

    Your efforts and support are the medium through which God allows 3ABN to carry its gospel message to the world. We thank God and you for that support.

    In His Service,
    Dr. Walter Thompson, Chairman
    Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.

    P.S. I came across a quote recently that highlighted the importance of 3ABN’s resolve to “Go ye into all the world”: “The Duke of Wellington was once present where a party of Christian men were discussing the possibility of success in missionary effort among the heathen. They appealed to the Duke to say whether in his judgment such efforts were likely to prove a success commensurate to the cost. The old soldier replied: ‘Gentlemen, what are your marching orders? Success is not the question for you to discuss. If I read your orders aright, they run thus, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” Gentlemen, obey your marching orders.’” Gospel Workers, p. 115.

    Join us in helping Three Angels Broadcasting Network carry out its marching orders!

    Posted July 1, 2004.


Only one email was sent out publicly after that and well over a year later and the other emails referred to by Bob Pickle and others were actually private emails sent only in reply to individuals and only in response to their questions after Linda's group had been online doing their dirty work against DS and 3abn for 2 years causing those questions... Turned out those "concerned individuals" published all as they were in league with the Linda crew, and looking to entrap rather then seek resolution or answers, but that's another part of the story. It hardly adds up to a public vilification of Linda though as none of it would have been public or even known if this group hadn't made it known and published it all.

So, there you have it.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 28, 2010, 07:45:46 PM
Everyone is against Danny and Tommy. They are saints they do no wrong. Guess we all need to learn that.  :-\ :dunno: You all portray them as sinless, it's sickening.
Sister,
I think finally, the truth will come out. May I ask, did you recieve the emails and letters sent out by 3abn and Danny speaking against Linda? I am just an interested observer in this. I know niether party.

No, mrst53, I did not receive any of the letters or emails from 3ABN. I am not on their mailing list, by choice.

Mrst53,
Have you noticed yet how no one you ask can prove these letters allegedly made against Linda were mailed out (in mass as was claimed), that no one can quote what they allegedly said, or prove that they even exist?


Here are the facts Linda met the Doctor, problems ensued, and she was put on administrative leave 5 mos later, then removed from the 3abn board, then fired from her job, and then divorced 6 mos later in June of 2004.

Here are the only public announcements made by 3abn about that (and there are no private ones made to the public in mass, or even mailed out privately during that time)


Quote
Statement Regarding Linda Shelton
   
Linda Shelton is on a leave of absence from Three Angels Broadcasting Network. Due to employee confidentiality, we cannot provide details on Mrs. Shelton's leave of absence. Danny Shelton continues in his role as president to oversee and manage 3ABN operations.

With the professional assistance of members of our board, our president, and the rest of the 3ABN leadership team, 3ABN will continue to deliver its message of faith and hope to its many viewers throughout the world.

Posted May 20, 2004.

Quote
Statement Regarding Linda Shelton

    Because of decisions Linda Shelton has made that have taken her in a different direction than that of the ministry, the Board of Directors of Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN) regrets to say that she is no longer an employee of 3ABN.

    Posted June 17, 2004.


Nothing else was ever said except the following after the article published in a adventist magazine (A-Today)  based on Linda's own statements via email and on a website she started, registered to Danny's ex son-in law Mundall,  and published interviewing Johann,( ex 3abn Liason to Europe) and  Darell Mundall - fired from 3 ABN( her defenders) That article was published in the May- June edition. 3ABN posted a response on that magazines website in reply,and then a announcement on their website the same day. They are below:

Quote
3abn response to AToday article.

    Three Angels Broadcasting Responds to Schwisow
    July 1, 2004 - 12:00pm - Walter Thompson

    The story by Edwin Schwisow regarding Linda Shelton's recent termination from Three Angels Broadcasting contains a number of basic factual inaccuracies. Even more troubling, given that Adventist Today holds itself out as a Christian, Adventist publication, is the highly misleading slant the article gives to the events by its reliance on "reports" and "sources" from only one side of the matter. It seems that no one currently from Three Angels was spoken to regarding the claims of this story prior to its being sent to the printer.

     

    As chairman of the board, I was involved with this matter early on, and led the independent fact-finding committee that investigated it. We sought intensely for reconciliation, but ultimately we were forced to recommend the termination of Mrs. Shelton from Three Angels. I list below the most troubling aspects of Mr. Schwisow's story.
    1

    The story of Danny and Linda's separation and divorce is a deeply personal, very sad event that has caused deep pain to all involved. To characterize the event as a "move that consolidates Danny Shelton at Three Angels helm" and as a sort of "coup", as the article claims, is untrue and even offensive to those of us involved in the decision. For the president of a religious ministry to engineer or pursue a divorce to enhance his standing or position at the ministry would be very foolish. Such an extraordinary claim would require extraordinary evidence to support it. Your author has not even ordinary evidence to support it, but is merely engaged in a cynical kind of speculation.

    Danny is still the president of Three Angels, and has the full confidence of the board. But these events have caused Three Angels leadership to recognize that Danny needs greater assistance and support in carrying out that role, and the board chairman and others have become more involved in oversight activities. One example is a recently appointed manager of operations to assist Danny in his responsibilities.
    2

    Mr. Schwisow's attempts to support his "theory" of the meaning of the events at Three Angels by a number of references to claims made by "sources close to Linda Shelton". While he would no doubt deny that he is according these claims the status of "facts", he uses them as though they were. To print and repeat allegations from one side of the story, without acknowledging the views and claims presented by the other side, is to accord the former an unchallenged and privileged status usually accorded only to verified facts.

    Anyone who considers the recent events at Three Angels as a "coup" or a "coup-in-the-works" is sadly misinformed and ignorant of the multiple efforts made over several months by Christian leaders to bring reconciliation to both Danny and Linda and to Linda and Three Angels. The list includes Danny and Linda's local pastor; meetings with professional Christian counselors; meetings with myself as board chairman; a review of the facts and further meetings and attempts at reconciliation by an investigative committee made up of Bill Hulsey, an Adventist layman and mayor of Collegedale; Dr. Kay Kuzma, Adventist family expert and author; Nicholas Miller, an Adventist attorney from a national law firm; and myself. Only after multiple efforts by these persons to achieve reconciliation failed was the matter reluctantly taken to the board for final resolution. This sequence of events is no secret. Three Angels described these efforts to its supporters in a letter sent out earlier last summer. Since then, Pastor Mark Finley has made further attempts at reconciliation, all to no avail.
    3

    Likewise, the printing of claims regarding Linda's relationship with the Norwegian physician to be solely about her son's treatment is to promote a story which the facts do not support. Without going into detail, we have solid evidence that, prior to her divorce and termination, Linda spent considerable time with this physician, both on the telephone and in person, in a manner inappropriate for a leader of a Christian ministry, or for any married woman for that matter. These contacts, inappropriate in their length, subject matter, and subterfuge, continued despite requests by both Danny and other Three Angels leadership that they cease. It is also clear, even by Linda's own admission, that the vast majority of these interactions had nothing to do with medical treatments for her son. In the short time since her divorce, Linda has traveled to Europe twice for nearly five weeks to spend time with this physician. These recent trips, which were taken without her son, have caused many of Linda's formerly die-hard supporters to recognize the truth of the matter of Linda's inappropriate relationship, and to cease their efforts in defending her.

    4

    The claim that Melody Shelton has begun to regularly appear as co-host is untrue. Melody sings from time to time on Three Angels, but has never co-hosted a program, and tries to avoid public speaking. The truth is that a variety of people have been assisting Danny with hosting responsibilities, and even hosting programs on their own. Of necessity, others are playing roles that Linda has played at Three Angels, but no one has "replaced" Linda. It is doubtful in my opinion that anyone ever will or can replace her unique combination of gifts.
    5

    Mr. Schwisow cannot seem to decide if the Shelton's unfortunate split is an effort calculated to revive a flagging ministry, as he suggests in paragraph 11, or a grave disruption that will harm Three Angels' prospects over the coming year, as in paragraph 12. Fortunately, neither theory or projection is true. These unfortunate events, which have been strongly resisted rather than cultivated, have caused both the leadership and supporters of Three Angels to draw together in prayer and support for the ministry. We have chosen to view these events with the eye of faith, looking for the opportunity the Lord always brings at a time of crisis. Due to this, Three Angels has significantly expanded, nearly doubled, its potential viewers, and financial support is well ahead of where it was last year at this time. Your author's prediction of a "less-than-banner-year", whether he meant number of viewers or financial support, is not supported by the facts.

    In my view, this article is far from being simple news story that recites the facts in a fair and balanced fashion. Rather, it is a story with an agenda. I am not opposed to a story with an agenda, when it is not presented as a news story, when there has been a careful review of both sides of the matter, and where the author is quite certain of his or her facts. Such is not the case here. Rather, a few facts have been mixed in with a number of allegations from one side of the story, and then it has been stirred together with an anti-Danny Shelton, anti-Three Angels slant.

    I am in favor of a church of greater openness. Events, good and bad, at times need to be aired and reported on. But it is an axiom of Christian charity that we should seek to put the most reasonably positive construction on events rather than the most negative. Mr. Schwisow's story fails on this most fundamental and elemental of tests. We hope that Adventist Today will hold future stories regarding Three Angels and other Christian ministries and leaders to a higher standard.

    Walter Thompson, M.D., Chairman of the Board

    Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.




Posted on 3abn.org  the same day.  July 1, 2004

Quote
    Dear 3ABN Family:

    You may have heard by now of changes that have recently happened at Three Angels Broadcasting Network. We believe we owe you, as a loyal supporter of this ministry, an accounting of recent events regarding the former Vice President of 3ABN.

    Out of respect for the privacy of those involved, we cannot reveal all details. But after prayer and reflection, we are convicted that we should share with you what we responsibly can.

    You may have noticed that Linda Shelton has not appeared on 3ABN telecasts for the last few weeks. That is because as of June 1, 2004, the 3ABN Board of Directors removed Linda from her role as Vice President and as a board member. More recently, she has been discontinued as an employee of 3ABN as well.

    We want to assure you that this decision was not made by one or two people, nor was it made in one or two weeks. Rather, the situation developed over nearly five months, and was dealt with by the full 3ABN leadership, including its Board of Directors.

    The issue relates to a matter that arose in Danny and Linda Shelton's marriage. They were not able to resolve the matter, despite many attempts with their local pastor and other counselors. It was then brought to my attention as Chairman of the Board.

    In order to make a thorough, fair and independent review of the matter, I convened a fact-finding committee of well-known Adventists who are not employees of 3ABN. The committee consisted of myself; William Hulsey, a businessman and mayor of Collegedale, Tennessee; and Kay Kuzma, author and family issues expert. We were counseled in our deliberations and review by Nicholas Miller, an Adventist attorney associated with a major national law firm.

    The committee members spoke with all relevant witnesses. It invited Linda to meet with the full committee and to present any witnesses she might wish to have speak on her behalf.
    Upon reviewing the situation, it was clear to the 3ABN leadership that the source of the conflict lay in certain choices that Linda was making. We asked her, both verbally and in writing, to make different choices. She refused.

    Under the circumstances, the board had no real choice but to take the actions it did in regards to Linda’s position at 3ABN. Should Linda reconsider her course of conduct, we would also reconsider our decision regarding her role at 3ABN.

    Please pray for Linda, for Danny, and for the 3ABN ministry during this time. We believe in a God of miracles, who can renew and restore. This ministry was started and built through a series of miracles. Those miracles continue to this day, and we believe that many more are yet to come.

    We believe that this ministry will continue to move forward, taking its direction from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is His ministry, and not that of any man or woman. The Board of Directors, President Danny Shelton, and I as Chairman, are committed to doing His will with this organization.

    Please join us in supporting 3ABN with your prayers and financial support. We know you have done so in the past, and we are deeply thankful for it. But right now the devil is doing his best to derail this work because we are pressing the front close to his strongholds.

    This month we added a quarter of a billion potential viewers in India, as our signal is being placed on cable systems through much of this Hindu nation of 1.1 billion souls. This effectively doubles the viewership of 3ABN, virtually overnight. We are also being placed on the most-watched cable-network in the Washington D.C. area, giving us access to the political and thought leaders of our country.

    Please don’t let the devil succeed in heading off the vital work of 3ABN at this crucial time. You have faithfully supported this ministry in the past. Show us your continued resolve and support by making a faith pledge or donation to support us during this tremendous expansion of our coverage.

    Your efforts and support are the medium through which God allows 3ABN to carry its gospel message to the world. We thank God and you for that support.

    In His Service,
    Dr. Walter Thompson, Chairman
    Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.

    P.S. I came across a quote recently that highlighted the importance of 3ABN’s resolve to “Go ye into all the world”: “The Duke of Wellington was once present where a party of Christian men were discussing the possibility of success in missionary effort among the heathen. They appealed to the Duke to say whether in his judgment such efforts were likely to prove a success commensurate to the cost. The old soldier replied: ‘Gentlemen, what are your marching orders? Success is not the question for you to discuss. If I read your orders aright, they run thus, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” Gentlemen, obey your marching orders.’” Gospel Workers, p. 115.

    Join us in helping Three Angels Broadcasting Network carry out its marching orders!

    Posted July 1, 2004.


Only one email was sent out publicly after that and well over a year later and the other emails referred to by Bob Pickle and others were actually private emails sent only in reply to individuals and only in response to their questions after Linda's group had been online doing their dirty work against DS and 3abn for 2 years causing those questions... Turned out those "concerned individuals" published all as they were in league with the Linda crew, and looking to entrap rather then seek resolution or answers, but that's another part of the story. It hardly adds up to a public vilification of Linda though as none of it would have been public or even known if this group hadn't made it known and published it all.

So, there you have it.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on June 28, 2010, 07:49:56 PM
Ian, the fevered imaginations were hard at work on this story long before Sister joined the fray. They were busy concocting stories about Linda and others, and their lives have become misreable as a result. It appears as Mrs. White was correct.

I know that too. I read Darrell Mundall's and other Linda defender/promoter posts on Stan's site when they started it all, even Fran was there.... and I have traced your migration to MSDAOL, and then BSDA, and now here, so have others. It's sad.. ( Even Pickle and Joy, after they got sued said they didn't have the proof for their publihed allegations/accusations because they were just repeating information from protected sources, but then they blew that by filing and claiming they wanted to add Mundall and Linda as their co litigants in the lawsuit against them, claiming they were both their main sources of information, but neither stepped forward with the proof...)

********************************************

Edited to remove inappropriate content.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on June 28, 2010, 07:59:37 PM

And you spilled the spite, trash and lies you love right out of your mouth:
" Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first."
So right here on the spot did Brenda do it or did she not. Here's your chance for proof. IF no answer -I guess you don't want to say yes she did it as she is part of the part "clan". It is no longer personal. I did not know that so don't contribute that to me like you always do when I comment on someones post.

This is why folks who think like Tinka are sadly beyond answering. Ian already called it a lie, yet Tinka wants her to say that again, and then she demands proof for a negative,(impossible) but never bothers to demand proof for the accusation and evil she heard and believes, or even thinks to question how others would even know this.
Were the people claiming this witnesses?  Obviously not. So how would they know? Doesn't matter, they said it, Tinka buys it. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on June 28, 2010, 08:04:45 PM
You made that up, and it's false. Nobody said that. Nobody defending 3ABN would.

Everyone is against Danny and Tommy. They are saints they do no wrong. Guess we all need to learn that.  :-\ :dunno: You all portray them as sinless, it's sickening.
Sister,
I think finally, the truth will come out. May I ask, did you recieve the emails and letters sent out by 3abn and Danny speaking against Linda? I am just an interested observer in this. I know niether party.

No, mrst53, I did not receive any of the letters or emails from 3ABN. I am not on their mailing list, by choice.

Mrst53,
Have you noticed yet how no one you ask can prove these letters allegedly made against Linda were mailed out (in mass as was claimed), that no one can quote what they allegedly said, or prove that they even exist?


Here are the facts Linda met the Doctor, problems ensued, and she was put on administrative leave 5 mos later, then removed from the 3abn board, then fired from her job, and then divorced 6 mos later in June of 2004.

Here are the only public announcements made by 3abn about that (and there are no private ones made to the public in mass, or even mailed out privately during that time)


Quote
Statement Regarding Linda Shelton
   
Linda Shelton is on a leave of absence from Three Angels Broadcasting Network. Due to employee confidentiality, we cannot provide details on Mrs. Shelton's leave of absence. Danny Shelton continues in his role as president to oversee and manage 3ABN operations.

With the professional assistance of members of our board, our president, and the rest of the 3ABN leadership team, 3ABN will continue to deliver its message of faith and hope to its many viewers throughout the world.

Posted May 20, 2004.

Quote
Statement Regarding Linda Shelton

    Because of decisions Linda Shelton has made that have taken her in a different direction than that of the ministry, the Board of Directors of Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN) regrets to say that she is no longer an employee of 3ABN.

    Posted June 17, 2004.


Nothing else was ever said except the following after the article published in a adventist magazine (A-Today)  based on Linda's own statements via email and on a website she started, registered to Danny's ex son-in law Mundall,  and published interviewing Johann,( ex 3abn Liason to Europe) and  Darell Mundall - fired from 3 ABN( her defenders) That article was published in the May- June edition. 3ABN posted a response on that magazines website in reply,and then a announcement on their website the same day. They are below:

Quote
3abn response to AToday article.

    Three Angels Broadcasting Responds to Schwisow
    July 1, 2004 - 12:00pm - Walter Thompson

    The story by Edwin Schwisow regarding Linda Shelton's recent termination from Three Angels Broadcasting contains a number of basic factual inaccuracies. Even more troubling, given that Adventist Today holds itself out as a Christian, Adventist publication, is the highly misleading slant the article gives to the events by its reliance on "reports" and "sources" from only one side of the matter. It seems that no one currently from Three Angels was spoken to regarding the claims of this story prior to its being sent to the printer.

     

    As chairman of the board, I was involved with this matter early on, and led the independent fact-finding committee that investigated it. We sought intensely for reconciliation, but ultimately we were forced to recommend the termination of Mrs. Shelton from Three Angels. I list below the most troubling aspects of Mr. Schwisow's story.
    1

    The story of Danny and Linda's separation and divorce is a deeply personal, very sad event that has caused deep pain to all involved. To characterize the event as a "move that consolidates Danny Shelton at Three Angels helm" and as a sort of "coup", as the article claims, is untrue and even offensive to those of us involved in the decision. For the president of a religious ministry to engineer or pursue a divorce to enhance his standing or position at the ministry would be very foolish. Such an extraordinary claim would require extraordinary evidence to support it. Your author has not even ordinary evidence to support it, but is merely engaged in a cynical kind of speculation.

    Danny is still the president of Three Angels, and has the full confidence of the board. But these events have caused Three Angels leadership to recognize that Danny needs greater assistance and support in carrying out that role, and the board chairman and others have become more involved in oversight activities. One example is a recently appointed manager of operations to assist Danny in his responsibilities.
    2

    Mr. Schwisow's attempts to support his "theory" of the meaning of the events at Three Angels by a number of references to claims made by "sources close to Linda Shelton". While he would no doubt deny that he is according these claims the status of "facts", he uses them as though they were. To print and repeat allegations from one side of the story, without acknowledging the views and claims presented by the other side, is to accord the former an unchallenged and privileged status usually accorded only to verified facts.

    Anyone who considers the recent events at Three Angels as a "coup" or a "coup-in-the-works" is sadly misinformed and ignorant of the multiple efforts made over several months by Christian leaders to bring reconciliation to both Danny and Linda and to Linda and Three Angels. The list includes Danny and Linda's local pastor; meetings with professional Christian counselors; meetings with myself as board chairman; a review of the facts and further meetings and attempts at reconciliation by an investigative committee made up of Bill Hulsey, an Adventist layman and mayor of Collegedale; Dr. Kay Kuzma, Adventist family expert and author; Nicholas Miller, an Adventist attorney from a national law firm; and myself. Only after multiple efforts by these persons to achieve reconciliation failed was the matter reluctantly taken to the board for final resolution. This sequence of events is no secret. Three Angels described these efforts to its supporters in a letter sent out earlier last summer. Since then, Pastor Mark Finley has made further attempts at reconciliation, all to no avail.
    3

    Likewise, the printing of claims regarding Linda's relationship with the Norwegian physician to be solely about her son's treatment is to promote a story which the facts do not support. Without going into detail, we have solid evidence that, prior to her divorce and termination, Linda spent considerable time with this physician, both on the telephone and in person, in a manner inappropriate for a leader of a Christian ministry, or for any married woman for that matter. These contacts, inappropriate in their length, subject matter, and subterfuge, continued despite requests by both Danny and other Three Angels leadership that they cease. It is also clear, even by Linda's own admission, that the vast majority of these interactions had nothing to do with medical treatments for her son. In the short time since her divorce, Linda has traveled to Europe twice for nearly five weeks to spend time with this physician. These recent trips, which were taken without her son, have caused many of Linda's formerly die-hard supporters to recognize the truth of the matter of Linda's inappropriate relationship, and to cease their efforts in defending her.

    4

    The claim that Melody Shelton has begun to regularly appear as co-host is untrue. Melody sings from time to time on Three Angels, but has never co-hosted a program, and tries to avoid public speaking. The truth is that a variety of people have been assisting Danny with hosting responsibilities, and even hosting programs on their own. Of necessity, others are playing roles that Linda has played at Three Angels, but no one has "replaced" Linda. It is doubtful in my opinion that anyone ever will or can replace her unique combination of gifts.
    5

    Mr. Schwisow cannot seem to decide if the Shelton's unfortunate split is an effort calculated to revive a flagging ministry, as he suggests in paragraph 11, or a grave disruption that will harm Three Angels' prospects over the coming year, as in paragraph 12. Fortunately, neither theory or projection is true. These unfortunate events, which have been strongly resisted rather than cultivated, have caused both the leadership and supporters of Three Angels to draw together in prayer and support for the ministry. We have chosen to view these events with the eye of faith, looking for the opportunity the Lord always brings at a time of crisis. Due to this, Three Angels has significantly expanded, nearly doubled, its potential viewers, and financial support is well ahead of where it was last year at this time. Your author's prediction of a "less-than-banner-year", whether he meant number of viewers or financial support, is not supported by the facts.

    In my view, this article is far from being simple news story that recites the facts in a fair and balanced fashion. Rather, it is a story with an agenda. I am not opposed to a story with an agenda, when it is not presented as a news story, when there has been a careful review of both sides of the matter, and where the author is quite certain of his or her facts. Such is not the case here. Rather, a few facts have been mixed in with a number of allegations from one side of the story, and then it has been stirred together with an anti-Danny Shelton, anti-Three Angels slant.

    I am in favor of a church of greater openness. Events, good and bad, at times need to be aired and reported on. But it is an axiom of Christian charity that we should seek to put the most reasonably positive construction on events rather than the most negative. Mr. Schwisow's story fails on this most fundamental and elemental of tests. We hope that Adventist Today will hold future stories regarding Three Angels and other Christian ministries and leaders to a higher standard.

    Walter Thompson, M.D., Chairman of the Board

    Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.




Posted on 3abn.org  the same day.  July 1, 2004

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    Dear 3ABN Family:

    You may have heard by now of changes that have recently happened at Three Angels Broadcasting Network. We believe we owe you, as a loyal supporter of this ministry, an accounting of recent events regarding the former Vice President of 3ABN.

    Out of respect for the privacy of those involved, we cannot reveal all details. But after prayer and reflection, we are convicted that we should share with you what we responsibly can.

    You may have noticed that Linda Shelton has not appeared on 3ABN telecasts for the last few weeks. That is because as of June 1, 2004, the 3ABN Board of Directors removed Linda from her role as Vice President and as a board member. More recently, she has been discontinued as an employee of 3ABN as well.

    We want to assure you that this decision was not made by one or two people, nor was it made in one or two weeks. Rather, the situation developed over nearly five months, and was dealt with by the full 3ABN leadership, including its Board of Directors.

    The issue relates to a matter that arose in Danny and Linda Shelton's marriage. They were not able to resolve the matter, despite many attempts with their local pastor and other counselors. It was then brought to my attention as Chairman of the Board.

    In order to make a thorough, fair and independent review of the matter, I convened a fact-finding committee of well-known Adventists who are not employees of 3ABN. The committee consisted of myself; William Hulsey, a businessman and mayor of Collegedale, Tennessee; and Kay Kuzma, author and family issues expert. We were counseled in our deliberations and review by Nicholas Miller, an Adventist attorney associated with a major national law firm.

    The committee members spoke with all relevant witnesses. It invited Linda to meet with the full committee and to present any witnesses she might wish to have speak on her behalf.
    Upon reviewing the situation, it was clear to the 3ABN leadership that the source of the conflict lay in certain choices that Linda was making. We asked her, both verbally and in writing, to make different choices. She refused.

    Under the circumstances, the board had no real choice but to take the actions it did in regards to Linda’s position at 3ABN. Should Linda reconsider her course of conduct, we would also reconsider our decision regarding her role at 3ABN.

    Please pray for Linda, for Danny, and for the 3ABN ministry during this time. We believe in a God of miracles, who can renew and restore. This ministry was started and built through a series of miracles. Those miracles continue to this day, and we believe that many more are yet to come.

    We believe that this ministry will continue to move forward, taking its direction from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is His ministry, and not that of any man or woman. The Board of Directors, President Danny Shelton, and I as Chairman, are committed to doing His will with this organization.

    Please join us in supporting 3ABN with your prayers and financial support. We know you have done so in the past, and we are deeply thankful for it. But right now the devil is doing his best to derail this work because we are pressing the front close to his strongholds.

    This month we added a quarter of a billion potential viewers in India, as our signal is being placed on cable systems through much of this Hindu nation of 1.1 billion souls. This effectively doubles the viewership of 3ABN, virtually overnight. We are also being placed on the most-watched cable-network in the Washington D.C. area, giving us access to the political and thought leaders of our country.

    Please don’t let the devil succeed in heading off the vital work of 3ABN at this crucial time. You have faithfully supported this ministry in the past. Show us your continued resolve and support by making a faith pledge or donation to support us during this tremendous expansion of our coverage.

    Your efforts and support are the medium through which God allows 3ABN to carry its gospel message to the world. We thank God and you for that support.

    In His Service,
    Dr. Walter Thompson, Chairman
    Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.

    P.S. I came across a quote recently that highlighted the importance of 3ABN’s resolve to “Go ye into all the world”: “The Duke of Wellington was once present where a party of Christian men were discussing the possibility of success in missionary effort among the heathen. They appealed to the Duke to say whether in his judgment such efforts were likely to prove a success commensurate to the cost. The old soldier replied: ‘Gentlemen, what are your marching orders? Success is not the question for you to discuss. If I read your orders aright, they run thus, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” Gentlemen, obey your marching orders.’” Gospel Workers, p. 115.

    Join us in helping Three Angels Broadcasting Network carry out its marching orders!

    Posted July 1, 2004.


Only one email was sent out publicly after that and well over a year later and the other emails referred to by Bob Pickle and others were actually private emails sent only in reply to individuals and only in response to their questions after Linda's group had been online doing their dirty work against DS and 3abn for 2 years causing those questions... Turned out those "concerned individuals" published all as they were in league with the Linda crew, and looking to entrap rather then seek resolution or answers, but that's another part of the story. It hardly adds up to a public vilification of Linda though as none of it would have been public or even known if this group hadn't made it known and published it all.

So, there you have it.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 28, 2010, 08:10:59 PM
Really? I made that up? I think not.  Funny to me that you and the other members of your "regime" come in here every chance you get, to turn them into Saints! You further state that "There are none so blind as those who refuse to see." Maybe it is you and the other members of your regime who refuse to see!
 
You made that up, and it's false. Nobody said that. Nobody defending 3ABN would.

Everyone is against Danny and Tommy. They are saints they do no wrong. Guess we all need to learn that.  :-\ :dunno: You all portray them as sinless, it's sickening.
Sister,
I think finally, the truth will come out. May I ask, did you recieve the emails and letters sent out by 3abn and Danny speaking against Linda? I am just an interested observer in this. I know niether party.

No, mrst53, I did not receive any of the letters or emails from 3ABN. I am not on their mailing list, by choice.

Mrst53,
Have you noticed yet how no one you ask can prove these letters allegedly made against Linda were mailed out (in mass as was claimed), that no one can quote what they allegedly said, or prove that they even exist?


Here are the facts Linda met the Doctor, problems ensued, and she was put on administrative leave 5 mos later, then removed from the 3abn board, then fired from her job, and then divorced 6 mos later in June of 2004.

Here are the only public announcements made by 3abn about that (and there are no private ones made to the public in mass, or even mailed out privately during that time)


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Statement Regarding Linda Shelton
   
Linda Shelton is on a leave of absence from Three Angels Broadcasting Network. Due to employee confidentiality, we cannot provide details on Mrs. Shelton's leave of absence. Danny Shelton continues in his role as president to oversee and manage 3ABN operations.

With the professional assistance of members of our board, our president, and the rest of the 3ABN leadership team, 3ABN will continue to deliver its message of faith and hope to its many viewers throughout the world.

Posted May 20, 2004.

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Statement Regarding Linda Shelton

    Because of decisions Linda Shelton has made that have taken her in a different direction than that of the ministry, the Board of Directors of Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN) regrets to say that she is no longer an employee of 3ABN.

    Posted June 17, 2004.


Nothing else was ever said except the following after the article published in a adventist magazine (A-Today)  based on Linda's own statements via email and on a website she started, registered to Danny's ex son-in law Mundall,  and published interviewing Johann,( ex 3abn Liason to Europe) and  Darell Mundall - fired from 3 ABN( her defenders) That article was published in the May- June edition. 3ABN posted a response on that magazines website in reply,and then a announcement on their website the same day. They are below:

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3abn response to AToday article.

    Three Angels Broadcasting Responds to Schwisow
    July 1, 2004 - 12:00pm - Walter Thompson

    The story by Edwin Schwisow regarding Linda Shelton's recent termination from Three Angels Broadcasting contains a number of basic factual inaccuracies. Even more troubling, given that Adventist Today holds itself out as a Christian, Adventist publication, is the highly misleading slant the article gives to the events by its reliance on "reports" and "sources" from only one side of the matter. It seems that no one currently from Three Angels was spoken to regarding the claims of this story prior to its being sent to the printer.

     

    As chairman of the board, I was involved with this matter early on, and led the independent fact-finding committee that investigated it. We sought intensely for reconciliation, but ultimately we were forced to recommend the termination of Mrs. Shelton from Three Angels. I list below the most troubling aspects of Mr. Schwisow's story.
    1

    The story of Danny and Linda's separation and divorce is a deeply personal, very sad event that has caused deep pain to all involved. To characterize the event as a "move that consolidates Danny Shelton at Three Angels helm" and as a sort of "coup", as the article claims, is untrue and even offensive to those of us involved in the decision. For the president of a religious ministry to engineer or pursue a divorce to enhance his standing or position at the ministry would be very foolish. Such an extraordinary claim would require extraordinary evidence to support it. Your author has not even ordinary evidence to support it, but is merely engaged in a cynical kind of speculation.

    Danny is still the president of Three Angels, and has the full confidence of the board. But these events have caused Three Angels leadership to recognize that Danny needs greater assistance and support in carrying out that role, and the board chairman and others have become more involved in oversight activities. One example is a recently appointed manager of operations to assist Danny in his responsibilities.
    2

    Mr. Schwisow's attempts to support his "theory" of the meaning of the events at Three Angels by a number of references to claims made by "sources close to Linda Shelton". While he would no doubt deny that he is according these claims the status of "facts", he uses them as though they were. To print and repeat allegations from one side of the story, without acknowledging the views and claims presented by the other side, is to accord the former an unchallenged and privileged status usually accorded only to verified facts.

    Anyone who considers the recent events at Three Angels as a "coup" or a "coup-in-the-works" is sadly misinformed and ignorant of the multiple efforts made over several months by Christian leaders to bring reconciliation to both Danny and Linda and to Linda and Three Angels. The list includes Danny and Linda's local pastor; meetings with professional Christian counselors; meetings with myself as board chairman; a review of the facts and further meetings and attempts at reconciliation by an investigative committee made up of Bill Hulsey, an Adventist layman and mayor of Collegedale; Dr. Kay Kuzma, Adventist family expert and author; Nicholas Miller, an Adventist attorney from a national law firm; and myself. Only after multiple efforts by these persons to achieve reconciliation failed was the matter reluctantly taken to the board for final resolution. This sequence of events is no secret. Three Angels described these efforts to its supporters in a letter sent out earlier last summer. Since then, Pastor Mark Finley has made further attempts at reconciliation, all to no avail.
    3

    Likewise, the printing of claims regarding Linda's relationship with the Norwegian physician to be solely about her son's treatment is to promote a story which the facts do not support. Without going into detail, we have solid evidence that, prior to her divorce and termination, Linda spent considerable time with this physician, both on the telephone and in person, in a manner inappropriate for a leader of a Christian ministry, or for any married woman for that matter. These contacts, inappropriate in their length, subject matter, and subterfuge, continued despite requests by both Danny and other Three Angels leadership that they cease. It is also clear, even by Linda's own admission, that the vast majority of these interactions had nothing to do with medical treatments for her son. In the short time since her divorce, Linda has traveled to Europe twice for nearly five weeks to spend time with this physician. These recent trips, which were taken without her son, have caused many of Linda's formerly die-hard supporters to recognize the truth of the matter of Linda's inappropriate relationship, and to cease their efforts in defending her.

    4

    The claim that Melody Shelton has begun to regularly appear as co-host is untrue. Melody sings from time to time on Three Angels, but has never co-hosted a program, and tries to avoid public speaking. The truth is that a variety of people have been assisting Danny with hosting responsibilities, and even hosting programs on their own. Of necessity, others are playing roles that Linda has played at Three Angels, but no one has "replaced" Linda. It is doubtful in my opinion that anyone ever will or can replace her unique combination of gifts.
    5

    Mr. Schwisow cannot seem to decide if the Shelton's unfortunate split is an effort calculated to revive a flagging ministry, as he suggests in paragraph 11, or a grave disruption that will harm Three Angels' prospects over the coming year, as in paragraph 12. Fortunately, neither theory or projection is true. These unfortunate events, which have been strongly resisted rather than cultivated, have caused both the leadership and supporters of Three Angels to draw together in prayer and support for the ministry. We have chosen to view these events with the eye of faith, looking for the opportunity the Lord always brings at a time of crisis. Due to this, Three Angels has significantly expanded, nearly doubled, its potential viewers, and financial support is well ahead of where it was last year at this time. Your author's prediction of a "less-than-banner-year", whether he meant number of viewers or financial support, is not supported by the facts.

    In my view, this article is far from being simple news story that recites the facts in a fair and balanced fashion. Rather, it is a story with an agenda. I am not opposed to a story with an agenda, when it is not presented as a news story, when there has been a careful review of both sides of the matter, and where the author is quite certain of his or her facts. Such is not the case here. Rather, a few facts have been mixed in with a number of allegations from one side of the story, and then it has been stirred together with an anti-Danny Shelton, anti-Three Angels slant.

    I am in favor of a church of greater openness. Events, good and bad, at times need to be aired and reported on. But it is an axiom of Christian charity that we should seek to put the most reasonably positive construction on events rather than the most negative. Mr. Schwisow's story fails on this most fundamental and elemental of tests. We hope that Adventist Today will hold future stories regarding Three Angels and other Christian ministries and leaders to a higher standard.

    Walter Thompson, M.D., Chairman of the Board

    Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.




Posted on 3abn.org  the same day.  July 1, 2004

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    Dear 3ABN Family:

    You may have heard by now of changes that have recently happened at Three Angels Broadcasting Network. We believe we owe you, as a loyal supporter of this ministry, an accounting of recent events regarding the former Vice President of 3ABN.

    Out of respect for the privacy of those involved, we cannot reveal all details. But after prayer and reflection, we are convicted that we should share with you what we responsibly can.

    You may have noticed that Linda Shelton has not appeared on 3ABN telecasts for the last few weeks. That is because as of June 1, 2004, the 3ABN Board of Directors removed Linda from her role as Vice President and as a board member. More recently, she has been discontinued as an employee of 3ABN as well.

    We want to assure you that this decision was not made by one or two people, nor was it made in one or two weeks. Rather, the situation developed over nearly five months, and was dealt with by the full 3ABN leadership, including its Board of Directors.

    The issue relates to a matter that arose in Danny and Linda Shelton's marriage. They were not able to resolve the matter, despite many attempts with their local pastor and other counselors. It was then brought to my attention as Chairman of the Board.

    In order to make a thorough, fair and independent review of the matter, I convened a fact-finding committee of well-known Adventists who are not employees of 3ABN. The committee consisted of myself; William Hulsey, a businessman and mayor of Collegedale, Tennessee; and Kay Kuzma, author and family issues expert. We were counseled in our deliberations and review by Nicholas Miller, an Adventist attorney associated with a major national law firm.

    The committee members spoke with all relevant witnesses. It invited Linda to meet with the full committee and to present any witnesses she might wish to have speak on her behalf.
    Upon reviewing the situation, it was clear to the 3ABN leadership that the source of the conflict lay in certain choices that Linda was making. We asked her, both verbally and in writing, to make different choices. She refused.

    Under the circumstances, the board had no real choice but to take the actions it did in regards to Linda’s position at 3ABN. Should Linda reconsider her course of conduct, we would also reconsider our decision regarding her role at 3ABN.

    Please pray for Linda, for Danny, and for the 3ABN ministry during this time. We believe in a God of miracles, who can renew and restore. This ministry was started and built through a series of miracles. Those miracles continue to this day, and we believe that many more are yet to come.

    We believe that this ministry will continue to move forward, taking its direction from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It is His ministry, and not that of any man or woman. The Board of Directors, President Danny Shelton, and I as Chairman, are committed to doing His will with this organization.

    Please join us in supporting 3ABN with your prayers and financial support. We know you have done so in the past, and we are deeply thankful for it. But right now the devil is doing his best to derail this work because we are pressing the front close to his strongholds.

    This month we added a quarter of a billion potential viewers in India, as our signal is being placed on cable systems through much of this Hindu nation of 1.1 billion souls. This effectively doubles the viewership of 3ABN, virtually overnight. We are also being placed on the most-watched cable-network in the Washington D.C. area, giving us access to the political and thought leaders of our country.

    Please don’t let the devil succeed in heading off the vital work of 3ABN at this crucial time. You have faithfully supported this ministry in the past. Show us your continued resolve and support by making a faith pledge or donation to support us during this tremendous expansion of our coverage.

    Your efforts and support are the medium through which God allows 3ABN to carry its gospel message to the world. We thank God and you for that support.

    In His Service,
    Dr. Walter Thompson, Chairman
    Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.

    P.S. I came across a quote recently that highlighted the importance of 3ABN’s resolve to “Go ye into all the world”: “The Duke of Wellington was once present where a party of Christian men were discussing the possibility of success in missionary effort among the heathen. They appealed to the Duke to say whether in his judgment such efforts were likely to prove a success commensurate to the cost. The old soldier replied: ‘Gentlemen, what are your marching orders? Success is not the question for you to discuss. If I read your orders aright, they run thus, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” Gentlemen, obey your marching orders.’” Gospel Workers, p. 115.

    Join us in helping Three Angels Broadcasting Network carry out its marching orders!

    Posted July 1, 2004.


Only one email was sent out publicly after that and well over a year later and the other emails referred to by Bob Pickle and others were actually private emails sent only in reply to individuals and only in response to their questions after Linda's group had been online doing their dirty work against DS and 3abn for 2 years causing those questions... Turned out those "concerned individuals" published all as they were in league with the Linda crew, and looking to entrap rather then seek resolution or answers, but that's another part of the story. It hardly adds up to a public vilification of Linda though as none of it would have been public or even known if this group hadn't made it known and published it all.

So, there you have it.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 28, 2010, 08:35:41 PM

And you spilled the spite, trash and lies you love right out of your mouth:
" Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first."
So right here on the spot did Brenda do it or did she not. Here's your chance for proof. IF no answer -I guess you don't want to say yes she did it as she is part of the part "clan". It is no longer personal. I did not know that so don't contribute that to me like you always do when I comment on someones post.

This is why folks who think like Tinka are sadly beyond answering. Ian already called it a lie, yet Tinka wants her to say that again, and then she demands proof for a negative,(impossible) but never bothers to demand proof for the accusation and evil she heard and believes, or even thinks to question how others would even know this.
Were the people claiming this witnesses?  Obviously not. So how would they know? Doesn't matter, they said it, Tinka buys it. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.



 :ROFL:  I do not think I have ever correspond with anyone that seems so retarded to understand what someone says and then comes back with "why do cherry pies hang off ceilings" that might as well been the topic as to come back with this nonsense of their understanding of what I say. This has got to be the best comic lingo I have heard of. No wonder the 3abn clan is "whacked".  

First of all I am not the one who told Brenda had the job done. You accuse that I said it and I believe it and then you ask a stupid question how can there be any witness to prove it. You actually say that it is a lie that she had it done. I simply ask if you know if that is the truth? What is even more ridiculous that if she did -most people surely can tell the difference or why else would she have it done? so you claim "no" she did not as 3d comes and states and back you up that no she did not have it done I'm believing a lie. So you do not know how to tell?  :ROFL: no witnesses  :ROFL:  Guess what- I do not even care whether she did other then the proof of a lie or not -as you claim it. That is the fact I was asking about- I bet somebody out there knows. You need to quit accusing people of honest questions seeking truth when your protecting the "One" that knows all about the answers. Boy are you guys guilty or you would not even be on here to worry about what we all see and discuss. What are you so up in the air if we are all wrong. Is your money getting lessor?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 29, 2010, 03:29:14 AM
( Even Pickle and Joy, after they got sued said they didn't have the proof for their publihed allegations/accusations because they were just repeating information from protected sources, ....

This has been explained over and over again. For you to repeat such a distortion of the facts makes you appear to be a dishonest individual.

Why don't you get specific and name a specific allegation/accusation that I personally made, and then let's discuss whether I had proof or not.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on June 29, 2010, 05:19:16 AM
( Even Pickle and Joy, after they got sued said they didn't have the proof for their publihed allegations/accusations because they were just repeating information from protected sources, ....

This has been explained over and over again. For you to repeat such a distortion of the facts makes you appear to be a dishonest individual.

Why don't you get specific and name a specific allegation/accusation that I personally made, and then let's discuss whether I had proof or not.

I changed my mind. I'm sending you what I had written as a private communication.  :-X
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on June 29, 2010, 06:47:34 AM
Reading some of these replies make me wonder if some people think two half-truths make it true
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 29, 2010, 06:53:21 AM
An Inconvient Truth
Chapter 2
Continued...


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Observed a cat that has captured a mouse, proudly brings it home and continue to “play” with it. The cat proudly saunters in through the door way and deposits what appears to be a dead mouse at your feet. If the urge to jump up on the kitchen table and start screaming is resisted, you will notice that the mouse is still alive—if continually being threatened and harassed can be considered  life. As you  watch, the cat resumes his dangerous “play” with the mouse. A furry paw, with claws retracted, gives the mouse a little push. In silence, eyes glued on its victim, the perpetrator watches for any indication of movement that could possibly lead to escape. Suddenly, the other paw gives the mouse a firmer tap that sends it into a spin. With frenzied movement the mouse leaps in desperation, attempting to escape its captors grasp. This activates the claws. Repeatedly the mouse is skillfully retrieved and the game resumes again. This scenario continues until one of two things happen: overcome by fear the mouse dies ending the game or someone, willing to risk the rage of the captor intervenes on behalf of the victim. From a human perspective this is a cruel and devilish game. It is difficult to believe that your beautiful kitty—whom you were lovingly stroking as she lay purring in your lap only an hour before—could be the same creature that is capable of such despicable behavior. Now, translate this same scenario to human beings and you have opened a tiny window into the life of the wife of a psychopath, a woman whose husband appears outwardly charming, but is prone to the selfish, callous, and remorseless use of others. A man who manipulates and controls his wife so well that over the years she has unknowingly become yet one more of his victims, until like the cat with the mouse, the retracted claws emerge and she is left dumbfounded wondering why the charming man she married has turned into a predator out to destroy her.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 29, 2010, 08:06:13 AM
Now that is a very good scenario..except if the mouse gets away it enjoys another day. In human scenario how does one come out of it but to suffer day after day.
It is quite a test of faith to be able to pick up pieces and go on with out some sort of damages. What I think is so cruel is to work your whole years and get nothing for it by the greed and despicable ways to get it.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 29, 2010, 10:30:50 AM
Reading some of these replies make me wonder if some people think two half-truths make it true

I agree Johann, but the closer the day of truth comes, the more desperate they become.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 29, 2010, 11:47:58 AM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Continued...


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Dr. Abrahamsen, as a medical professional, confirms Danny’s mental illness: “I could see from my 35 years of experience as a physician that Danny was a psychopath. Accusations were directed at me that I had done “mind control” over Linda. (Walt Thompson made the same accusations in his letters.) Linda was accused of sending “secret messages” to me over the television. Danny’s emails and communications with Johann were completely crazy, and his reasoning often conflicted with his previous emails. Danny targeted Linda’s few inner circle confidants and slandered her to the point that even they backed away from her at this critical time. (Linda’s “friends” did not want to lose their television privileges.) Johann and I concluded this was a man who was determined to get rid of his wife. We also concluded that Linda was in danger.”

After Dr. Abrahamsen’s confirmation of Danny’s mental condition, consider the following definition of a Charismatic Psychopath and then try and imagine what it would be like to live with such an individual... “Charismatic Psychopaths are charming, attractive liars. They are usually gifted at some talent or another, and they use it to their advantage in manipulating others. They are usually fast-talkers, and possess an almost demonic ability to persuade others out of everything they own, even their lives. Leaders of religious sects or cults, for example, might be psychopaths... often they come to believe in their own fictions. They are irresistible.”

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on June 29, 2010, 03:10:36 PM
I see, so you state that it started with posts on Stan's site. Unfortunately, it started long before that. Those posts were reactionary to events and communications based on imaginations and concocted stories that predated any of the posts you refer to as "when they started it all..."

Ian, the fevered imaginations were hard at work on this story long before Sister joined the fray. They were busy concocting stories about Linda and others, and their lives have become misreable as a result. It appears as Mrs. White was correct.

I know that too. I read Darrell Mundall's and other Linda defender/promoter posts on Stan's site when they started it all, even Fran was there.... and I have traced your migration to MSDAOL, and then BSDA, and now here, so have others. It's sad.. ( Even Pickle and Joy, after they got sued said they didn't have the proof for their publihed allegations/accusations because they were just repeating information from protected sources, but then they blew that by filing and claiming they wanted to add Mundall and Linda as their co litigants in the lawsuit against them, claiming they were both their main sources of information, but neither stepped forward with the proof...)

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Edited to remove inappropriate content.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Daryl Fawcett on June 29, 2010, 05:13:08 PM
I need to post a correction here in that it started at BSDA before it started at MSDAOL, not vice-versa.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: SDAminister on June 29, 2010, 06:51:24 PM
Well, it's quite obvious your source for your "stories" is Linda -under a gag order and not talking nor involved in any accusations against DS or 3abn,  but just trying to move on--Shelton. (It should go without saying that I disagree with you and again think you are repeating lies, and acting maliciously as you have that axe to grind due to your husband being fired from 3abn... but for the record I am letting that be known again, and will post it on the other forum too.)

 I can't help it, every time I read your spins and tales I am reminded of the same E.G. White quote. I remember the first time I quoted it back on BlackSDA , and was attacked for trying to out you, and accused of editing the quote to do so, and I hadn't done either, so was like "What?!?" and then "Ok, clue one as to who she is." ;)

Here that is again for those who haven't read it. You, yourself would probably agree that Sister White was correct in speaking to Sister F, a Pastor's wife, about this problem of hers. I doubt you will agree with it applying to you, or take it to heart as you didn't before,  but others can form their own opinions and judgments here. So for what it's worth.

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Testimonies Vol 2 Chap. 4 - Evilspeaking

     Brother F has had the cause of God at heart, but he has felt too deeply, and has taken on many burdens which he should not have borne. He has suffered in health in this way. He has sometimes viewed matters in a strong light, and has been too earnest and anxious to have all see them just as he did; and because they were backward in doing so, he has felt nearly crushed. He feels to the depths, and is in danger of urging his views of things too strongly. {2T 50.1}
 



I'm always amazed when persons, who don't support the SDA church, still try to use Ellen White as an authority figure to bash those who do. If they believe in her, why not follow her teachings, come back into the fold, and be a real Seventh-day Adventist?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: guide4him on June 29, 2010, 08:52:20 PM
Sister, you just keep on writing... interesting that so many people with so many diverse backgrounds and who don't even know each other come up with the same conclusion about Danny Shelton as you mentioned.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on June 30, 2010, 02:23:39 AM
I need to post a correction here in that it started at BSDA before it started at MSDAOL, not vice-versa.

It even started before that. . . Dr. Samuelle Bacchiocchi?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 30, 2010, 06:54:10 AM

Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
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For Linda events eventually escalate from emotional and mental abuse to physical abuse. Although physical abuse is often thought of as an enraged husband beating his wife, there is one form of abuse that is far more devastating for its victim physically, emotionally and spiritually: when what was once the joys of the marriage bed become an abusive act. What was once an expression of mutual love between a devoted married couple becomes a forced act of non-mutual consent for the animal gratification of one partner forced upon an unwilling spouse.  When a husband who has told his wife he wants to get rid of her and she refuses his sexual advances, he then forces himself on her physically and states that it is his “right” until they are divorced, an act that was once consider a joy becomes little more than the most vile crime that can be committed against a woman. In the midst of all this harassment, built entirely upon fabricated “evidence”, Linda asks Danny the one question she can not answer for herself, “Why are you treating me like this?” He answers, “Because I want you to get out!” Shattered by the brutality of her husbands response, she turns and walks away, barely able to discern her direction, as the tears stream from her eyes.

Dr. Abrahamsen explains that despite a request from the 3ABN Board Chairman, Walt Thompson, for all contact between he and Linda to terminate immediately. After a few weeks he allows it to continue: “At one point I had a conversation with Walt Thompson, Chairman of the Board of 3ABN. He asked me to stop all communication with Linda. This had also been communicated to Johann and Irmgard Thorvaldsson and others. I told him that it was obviously Danny’s plan to isolate Linda from everyone at a time when she needed help. To me it was the Christian thing to answer her phone calls and the only humane thing to do for someone who was in crisis.”

“Considering the urgency of the situation I allowed the conversations to resume. Linda knew, with her high profile status, that confiding with local people regarding these issues would be very bad for the ministry. I had given counsel to people in difficulty in the past and felt I could be helpful from a distance in this situation. I encouraged Linda to fight for her marriage and ministry many times. This she really did, but she often had to leave her home to find refuge at her daughter's apartment in Springfield, even in the middle of the night because of Danny's behavior. At times like these she was afraid of him. She always returned to her home after a couple of days seeking to try to mend the marriage, but Danny would not allow this.”




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 30, 2010, 07:09:38 AM
So the 3abn Board would not listen to her side or even give her the chance as Danny had them all ready prepared! Let's see Brandy left pretty quick for a fact  :ROFL:

Corrected for added thought:

But again, how could she tell what would have been most embarrassment of a lifetime that you even chose to be married to someone that was like that. She would have suffered the embarrassment beyond all. But the time is right now for the other side to be told.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on June 30, 2010, 03:13:01 PM
Write on, sister, Write on!  this is better than "The Te...."..............errrrr............ the other one.  LOL!!!!!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 30, 2010, 03:16:03 PM
Write on, sister, Write on!  this is better than "The Te...."..............errrrr............ the other one.  LOL!!!!!

Where you been, I've missed you. About time you weighed in here.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 30, 2010, 05:27:00 PM


Write on, sister, Write on!  this is better than "The Te...."..............errrrr............ the other one.  LOL!!!!!

LOL, thanks princessdi. But, although I have often been credited as the author of "The Te...", it was not my work. I only wrote "An Unauthorized History of 3ABN". Although both Jorgen VanBraun and I have somewhat similar writing styles and wrote on the same topic, I can not take credit for an others work. Perhaps one day Jorgen will write again, I would love to do a collaboration with him.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 30, 2010, 05:47:25 PM
Sister: I have had the opportunity to read these excerpts carefully, today. Below I have bolded one line that I find most troubling.

First, I would like to ask, did Danny Shelton have an affair with Brenda Walsh? or what was the extent of their relationship?

If the answer is not completely known in that sense, theoretically, Danny is the adulterous person. Is it possible that these events was planned by Danny and maybe even Brenda to do away with Linda, so he could marry Brandy?

Just a few thoughts I had...
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Continued...


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The next time Linda was to have contact with Dr. Abrahamsen in person, in addition to a few phone calls to discuss Nathan’s progress at the Norwegian clinic, was in the first week of February. Since Danny had refused Linda’s pleas for him to become personally involved in Nathan’s recovery and join her in the trip to Dr. Abrahamsen’s clinic in Norway, she was accompanied by her “best friend” of two years, Brenda Walsh. At the time, Brenda not only appeared to be an excellent choice based upon their friendship, but with her effervescent personality she would be an entertaining companion for the long transatlantic flight.

What Linda did not realize is that behind her back a “special relationship” had developed between her husband and this same “best friend”. Later Danny would admit to Linda that he had a special emotional bond with Brenda. Brenda Walsh, had her own program on 3ABN, Kid’s Time, in addition to that she was involved in other programming on the network. Staying in 3ABN guest housing, without her husband, gave she and Danny both the time and privacy to develop their relationship. Later there were reports of Danny’s truck being parked all night in front of Brenda’s apartment and Danny being seen leaving before dawn. While Danny was accusing Linda of talking too long on the telephone with the Doctor and declaring it was incorrect behavior for a married woman to have with any man other than her husband, unbeknownst to Linda, Danny was spending many late night hours alone with a married woman in her apartment. If it wasn’t so tragic, it would be humorous in the ridiculousness of the absurdity of his accusations against Linda and his behavior with another married woman, Brenda.

Linda knew, through their talks together, that although Brenda was a married woman, she craved the adoration of other men and sought out their attention. Earlier Brenda had a surgical procedure to enlarge her breasts and was in the habit of wearing tight clothing to emphasize her figure and appeared to enjoy the effect she had on men when she brushed up against them. Although obviously some men enjoyed Brenda’s sad attempts to receive the attention she craved, this was not always the case.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 30, 2010, 06:07:40 PM
Samuel,
It's funny you pick up on that aspect as I pick up on the aspect that there was witnesses that saw DS Pick up truck still at Brenda's early in morning and all hours of the night. That made it "revelent" to the fact but put for anyone to completely understand why His truck would be there at all hours of night.

Edited for added thought

I don't think they sat in each other's company in all night hours by their self just to make Linda jealous or think she would catch him so she would divorce him. Not those two!!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 30, 2010, 06:14:05 PM
Samuel,
It's funny you pick up on that aspect as I pick up on the aspect that there was witnesses that saw DS Pick up truck still at Brenda's early in morning and all hours of the night. That made it "revelent" to the fact but put for anyone to completely understand why His truck would be there at all hours of night.

It all makes sense now. Danny in all actuality was the adulterer.  Just as his brother, Pastor Tommy Shelton was or still is. No, Pastor Tommy Shelton did not leave his wife for another woman, but instead acted to prey upon young boys.

Sin is sin, no matter how you look at it.



--edited for grammer--
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 30, 2010, 06:24:35 PM
Samuel,
It's funny you pick up on that aspect as I pick up on the aspect that there was witnesses that saw DS Pick up truck still at Brenda's early in morning and all hours of the night. That made it "revelent" to the fact but put for anyone to completely understand why His truck would be there at all hours of night.

Edited for added thought

I don't think they sat in each other's company in all night hours by their self just to make Linda jealous or think she would catch him so she would divorce him. Not those two!!

They were definitely doing something in each others company!  :o

Just as this proclaims:

02/04/2007

...

I'm so sorry for taking longer than I first told you. We were at the Hospital everyday with a sick friend and I just couldn't get this together. It takes me longer to do things in my old age....

I hope this will give a little insight to what went on that day, I forget some things that have happened in my life but that day stuck in my mind forever. I really pray that these boys will soon get peace from what they have carried around with them all these years. I do not feel any animosity towards the people at Ezra Church of God. I have felt hurt but God has helped me all these years. I can tell Judy Woods has been deeply hurt and disappointed by Tommy and Carol; I know exactly how he can make you feel. He use to come to my house and talk for hours about his feelings for Carol. He said be worked on programming his mind so that if he was ever in an accident he wouldn't say the wrong things if he was under a mind altering drug. I think I know what he was trying to keep from saying.

God bless your efforts in these matters with 3ABN and your Church. We will certainly keep you in our prayers.

Sincerely,

Sherry Avery

PS: I do know who wrote that last letter....The Mother...
 

This will take awhile to explain but let me start by saying that in 1975 my husband and I were married at Ezra Church of God by Tommy Shelton. We were very close to Tommy and Carol (his wife) for a number of years. I had lived in Paducah with mutual friends before I was married; they were like family to all of us, We had a wonderful church family and God blessed my husband and me with two wonderful boys.

The problems started of course with the first accusations of misconduct with Brad Dunning. I knew Brad as a fine young man; he didn't go to our church but I knew his mother and grandfather. I didn't know quite how to handle what I had heard and I wasn't 100% sure of what went on. I couldn't feel free to disbelieve my pastor but I asked God to show me the truth before I could blame anyone. I just had to be sure I was right. What made it harder was that our mutual friends (from Paducah) had told us a couple of years before that they felt uneasy about Tommy bringing boys to their home and always wanting to counsel them in his room. This was tearing on me as I prayed that God would please make things clear to me so I could be 100% sure.

In late October 1984 I went to our mutual friends' weekend home (in West Frankfort) to look in her closet for the size of a blouse; her birthday was the next week and I wanted to buy her a gift. When I drove up to the house I saw Tommy's car in the driveway. I also saw two boys raking leaves in the backyard. I went to the door and rung the doorbell but no one came to open the door. I then went to the backyard and asked the boys (they were from our church) if they knew what Bro. Tommy was doing in the house. They said they hadn't seen him and that his car was there when they arrived. I went around to the door again and opened it with my key. When I went inside I saw both bedroom doors shut (unusual for my friends to shut these doors). This made me very nervous; I thought to myself, "Would Tommy have another woman in this house?"... I turned and went to the front porch and when I turned around and came back inside there was Tommy in his stocking feet coming up the stairs from the basement. He said he was checking to see if there was water on the basement floor. I thought that was very strange for when I went to the bedroom the door was opened and someone was in the bathroom. I asked him who was in the bathroom and he said it was his son, Ricky. I went into the bedroom and the bed was a total mess; the bedcovers were all in disarray. I was really getting nervous now and I went over to the closet and looked inside for the size and then got out of there.

I drove out to the church and walked into the Christian school gym and there was Ricky playing basketball with other boys. I then went upstairs where I knew they were having a meeting with new prospects for the school; I saw the principal's wife and motioned for her to come out. I asked her where Tommy was and she said he was with a certain boy somewhere.

I went to my car and proceeded to drive back to the house and on the way I saw Tommy's car coming down the road. I was sure the boy had hid when they saw my car coming down the country road. When I got back to the house I went inside and found the bedroom doors opened and the bed all made up. I walked back to the front porch and Tommy drove up. My question to him was, "What is going on? You've been caught haven't you?" His reply was, "I knew you would think that something was going on. I [page 2] was just cutting his hair." I asked him why the bed was a mess and he just said, "I don't know." He said he didn't have a chance anymore; he had to hide everything he did because everyone would think the worst. He then told me he would leave the church. I told him to do what he thought he should do and I left.

That afternoon he sent Carol to talk to me. She told me I was mistaken on what I saw and he was just trying to help this boy. She said I was just jealous of Tommy and his relationship with our mutual friends. I thought, why or how would he come up with that? She told me it would ruin the church and it would be my fault. We talked for hours that night just enough for me to question what I should do. I decided I would not tell anyone what went on that day but continue to watch and pray for God to tell me what to do. I thought it was enough to scare Tommy into changing his ways. I wanted him to get help.

Several months went by and I was praying constantly telling others I had a great burden and needed them to help me pray about it. One Sunday while at the same house with my friends, Ricky came in. He was really upset; his dad was going on another trip and was taking one of the young boys with him (the same boy that was at the house with him that day in October). Ricky cried and asked why his dad would take these other boys and not take him. Well, that did it for me. The next day I went to my friends (the mutual friends who owned the house) and told them the whole story. They both realized that Tommy had a problem and I will never forget the words said, "Even if he were my blood son he must be confronted; he must pay for his sins." That's all I needed, I had to go home and talk with one of the leaders in the church, the Sunday School Supt.

I told her (the Sunday School Supt.) what had happened and she told me she had been seeing things that didn't look right to her and she and her husband had questioned it. Her husband had seen cars at the church late at night when he had come home from work on midnight shift, cars that belonged to young boys. I told her I wanted to see the church get him help; he had a problem that was more than we could handle. She hugged me on her front porch and told me it would be taken care of.

Just two days later at Prayer Meeting she stood up and testified and ended with, "I love my pastor and I stand behind him 100%." I was shocked. Of course Tommy wasn't there because he was sick.

The next Sunday the Asst. Pastor and Principal of the Christian School stood up and said Tommy was having a nervous breakdown and would be out for a few weeks. That night he stood up and said, "Everyone that is behind our pastor stand up". Well, everyone stood up but me. I think I was in total shock at what was happening. The people that knew my life and me began to wonder what was going on; they knew something wasn't right. They began to call me but I still didn't tell what was going on, they soon got wind that I was jealous and trying to destroy the church.

Soon I did have to explain in detail what was going on and what had happened. There were many supporters of Tommy that gave our family a hard time, even to the point of [page 3] writing nasty letters to my mother-in-law, who didn't have a thing to do with what happened; she had been gone from Ezra Church for a long time. I think maybe there should be some apologies made before there can be healing. Even the young men that came forward had terrible things said about them; some supporters made the comment that you couldn't believe these boys because they weren't Christians and going to church. I wonder how many young men that were molested by their pastors are in church today? It was hard enough for me to ever trust a pastor or the church people again. I lost all confidence in those people that knew what was going on and still backed Tommy, yet I didn't lose hope in the God I knew. These were the things that led to Tommy losing his credentials with the Church of God, Anderson, Indiana, the awful sins he committed against the children! Those that are still backing Tommy (I think we know who they are) need to realize that the judgment is coming and is swift. The devil wants to deceive us all; open your eyes people: it's time to make it right.

Sincerely,

Sherry Avery
 
The bed wasn't messed up for nothing!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 30, 2010, 06:27:47 PM
Well, here goes, this might be a baddie to say. but what else can one think??--But both have added features to attract the other....ooopppps.That cost plenty of money beside the fact.   Sorry just coudn't resist the similiarities of character. Isn't it so obvious why people do these things??? Yikes!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 30, 2010, 06:35:07 PM
Well, here goes, this might be a baddie to say. but what else can one think??--But both have added features to attract the other....ooopppps.That cost plenty of money beside the fact.   Sorry just coudn't resist the similiarities of character. Isn't it so obvious why people do these things??? Yikes!
Fake breast and fake hair. Wonder who's money paid for that!  :-X
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 30, 2010, 06:40:05 PM
Samuel,

I am sitting at my computer and you are making me laugh so hard. But isn't that the truth....and they are on national TV... :ROFL: with the minglers and the sympathizers :ROFL:  for some reason you struck me so funny. But you got it... I guess I am just silly feeling tonight. Worked hard to day getting jars ready for my 4 gardens. But I pop in now and then to see if Sister has written again. (smiling)
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 30, 2010, 06:51:30 PM
Well, here goes, this might be a baddie to say. but what else can one think??--But both have added features to attract the other....ooopppps.That cost plenty of money beside the fact.   Sorry just coudn't resist the similiarities of character. Isn't it so obvious why people do these things??? Yikes!
Fake breast and fake hair. Wonder who's money paid for that!  :-X

We did!!!  :ROFL:  :ROFL:  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 30, 2010, 06:56:21 PM
Glad I made you smile! It's just disturbing really how everything falls into place. I just don't understand how some people cannot read between the lines and see what is actually going on.  It is black and white. Justifying it will not get anything accomplished.  It amuses me sometimes at the length the defenders go to try to cover up for the misdeeds and ungodly actions of the Shelton regime.[
Well, here goes, this might be a baddie to say. but what else can one think??--But both have added features to attract the other....ooopppps.That cost plenty of money beside the fact.   Sorry just coudn't resist the similiarities of character. Isn't it so obvious why people do these things??? Yikes!
Fake breast and fake hair. Wonder who's money paid for that!  :-X

We did!!!  :ROFL:  :ROFL:  :ROFL:

Samuel,

I am sitting at my computer and you are making me laugh so hard. But isn't that the truth....and they are on national TV... :ROFL: with the minglers and the sympathizers :ROFL:  for some reason you struck me so funny. But you got it... I guess I am just silly feeling tonight. Worked hard to day getting jars ready for my 4 gardens. But I pop in now and then to see if Sister has written again. (smiling)
Yes, along with the livestock.

--edited--
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on June 30, 2010, 07:19:40 PM
Samuel,
We must think a lot alike, I was going to put at the end but decided I said enough but my words were going to be instead of the "Shelton Regime " The Shelton animal Barn". I thought of that becasue when you got such diverse sexual complications in a whole family what ever is there but animal instincts left. That is why I thought of it and you came up with same thoughts. "Livestock" .
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on June 30, 2010, 07:42:42 PM
Samuel,
We must think a lot alike, I was going to put at the end but decided I said enough but my words were going to be instead of the "Shelton Regime " The Shelton animal Barn". I thought of that becasue when you got such diverse sexual complications in a whole family what ever is there but animal instincts left. That is why I thought of it and you came up with same thoughts. "Livestock" .

Again, you hit the nail right on the head. "Animal instincts" that is solely what one is left to believe in matters such as this. It is far from Human. Especially when they claim to do the work of God, but in the dark they persue devilish acts.




"He reveals the deep things of darkness,and brings deep shadows into the light." Job 12:22

"Woe to those who go to great depths to hide their plans from the LORD,who do their work in darkness and think, "Who sees us? Who will know?" Isaiah 29:15
--edited--
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on June 30, 2010, 11:21:43 PM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Continued

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In his continued attempts to discredit Linda and prove an inappropriate relationship between her and the doctor, Danny contacts the Doctor’s pastor in Norway, the same one who served as Linda’s translator at the evangelistic meeting where she sang with Brenda Walsh in February: “During the spring of 2004 Danny called my pastor in Norway. Danny tried to get me kicked out as an elder and as a member of the church. My pastor told me about the conversation and he said, ‘He is mentally sick, he needs professional help.’” Obviously Danny’s intent and the Pastor’s opinion of Arild Abrahamsen’s integrity were diametrically opposed. Not only did he see through Danny’s false representation of the situation, but the way that he expressed himself made it clear to the Pastor that he was conversing with a man whose perception of reality was not only greatly in question, but the product of an unbalanced mind.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 01, 2010, 05:48:46 AM
How could anyone in SDA not realize the mental condition of DS with the shock of "instant marriage" with Brandy's back ground of porno, dancing etc and quick baptism. That alone should discern something strange except for the "followers" lack of discerment. Of course they each had their agenda too. One was a match for the other but both did not get what they were seeking however they pre planned their individual motives. "Lust V. Money" or is it "Money V. Lust"??

Then the next step..saga of DNA and the  :beagle: are now on the  :rabbit: trails of discourse which are eating up all the  :horse: feed. Once all was in view what else but the "honest standups" to try to stop "misuse" and embarrassment to the honest SDA gift givers.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on July 01, 2010, 06:24:14 AM
Posted on the other forum

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Thread Title: The spirit of Sister's stories is... obvious
Postby Cynthia » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:08 am UTC

Over on adventtalk Sister has taken up writing her sleazy works of fiction again, and as usual alleged Adventists and Christians are salivating over them, and hanging out waiting on the next exciting chapter of "As the stomache turns"

It appears to be the same type of tabloid garbage she published on Blacksda in "the Televangelist" and in her "unauthorized biography of 3abn" ,only she has taken the gloves off and is giving names now..


***************************************

Lev 19:16
Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
Lev 19:17
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.



Tinka to Sister on adventtalk:

 
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  Don't want to interrupt your chapters but is Brenda still married?




Tinka to 3abn_defender on adventtalk:


 
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  I knew it was a matter of quick time here till this drew some of the "clan" out. I intend to read these documents and they very well fit in to the documents between.
    first of all I was waiting to see who it would draw out first. Now if you have a documentary that you would like to set in here I suppose you can but you see truth has it's sequence and details that just aren't pulled out of the blue.

    ..
    People in their right mind do not make up stories that the ones involved can come back and say hey, that never happened. So you see Sister is not that stupid to say someone saw DS at Brenda's without knowing who saw it in case it came to a court of law....
    Right now you are playing the devils folly unless you can better tell the story incident by incident without the heresay from DS.... Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first... Sister has every right to give what she knows even if she is getting info from LS...


That is pure trash, and lies, and there is no excuse or legit reason to even believe it, but for some sick reason Tinka always believes any garbage or evil she hears about 3ABN and never asks for or needs any evidence except for an evil report or a gossiping slanderous talebearer to speak before doing so. It's disgusting.

Anyway, This has all been addressed years ago and denied, and not one person involved in the lies and slander has presented evidence one to support anything they have claimed about Danny and Brenda, or anything else here....


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[Original Message]
From: Brenda Walsh <brendawalsh@*****>
Cc: Nick Miller <nmiller@******>; Walt Thompson
<walttmd@*****>; Danny Shelton <danshelton@******>
To: Linda Shelton <******>

Date: 2/9/2005 11:57:28 AM
Subject: Letter from BRENDA WALSH

February 9, 2005



Dear Linda,

I am writing to you because I would like you to hear the truth about some misconceptions you may have regarding my marriage to Tim. I received a call from someone who spoke with you personally, and they said that you specifically told them that Tim and I are divorced and that Danny and I were having an affair.

Here is the truth:

1. Tim and I are happily married and we are definitely NOT divorced nor are we planning a divorce. We have a loving Christ centered home and we love each other very much. We believe that God brought us together and we plan to be together till death do us part or until Jesus comes….whichever come first.

2. Your ex-husband, Danny Shelton and I have never had an affair nor are we thinking about having an affair, not in the past, present or future! I would be willing to swear in a court of law, that I have NOT had an affair with Danny or anyone else. The only person Danny has ever talked about loving was you, and I don’t believe that he has had an affair with anyone! I believe he was faithful to you the entire time you were married, both in a physical and spiritual sense.

3. As you know, Danny and I have known each other all our lives and he is like a brother to me. My mom and dad think of him as one of their sons. The ONLY man that I have romantic feelings for is my husband Tim.


I hope this sets the record straight. Now that you know the truth, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from spreading lies and rumors. Linda I love you very much and I cherish many warm and happy memories of our times spent together. We once shared a special friendship and it hurts me to think that you could even possibly think that I would be involved with your husband! Nothing could be farther from the truth! Someday I hope you will realize that I am not your enemy. I wish you only the best and I pray that someday soon when Jesus comes in the clouds of glory, that we will be neighbors together in heaven.

May God bless you,

Your sister in Christ,

Brenda


From the lawsuit filed against Bob Pickle and Gailon Joy:

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Defendants' Conspiratorial Conduct

38.
Upon information and belief, Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle are members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and met former 3ABN director and employee Linda Shelton through their common religious affiliation.

39.
Upon information and belief, Linda Shelton has communicated to Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle statements critical of 3ABN, its board of directors, its officers and/or its employees for them to publish as her agents.
     
40.
Upon information and belief, Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle desire to see Linda Shelton reinstated as an employee and director at 3ABN and intend to discredit and damage the ministry as a means of facilitating Linda Shelton's reinstatement.
     
41.
Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle are visitors and frequent participants in various websites and chat rooms that are frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, where Defendants have, by electronic posting, published numerous statements related to 3ABN

[page 11]

and Danny Shelton. Joy also operates a website at "www.save3ABN.com" where he has also published numerous statements related to 3ABN and Danny Shelton. Joy also operates a website at "www.save3ABN.org" where he directs visitors to the "www.save3ABN.com" website.
     
42.
Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle have, upon information and belief, conspired, and colluded to enable, facilitate, encourage, and promote the publication and dissemination of defamatory, disparaging, and slanderous statements regarding 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton at the internet website "www.save3ABN.com," and other internet websites, wherein numerous false statements regarding 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton have been published by Defendants.
     
43.
Defendants have participated in this conspiracy by jointly authoring many or all of the published statements on "www.save3ABN.com" and by jointly authoring statements published by one or both of them on websites frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, such as "www.blacksda.com," "www.maritime-sda-online.org," "www.christianforum.com," and the Yahoo Prophecy Board forum.

44.
Deffendants have also participated in this conspiracy by jointly marketing, advertising, and promoting the "www.save3ABN.com" website, which they have done by posting electronic links to the website on numerous bulletin boards and websites frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, by mailing advertising postcards to Seventh-Day Adventist Churches across the United States directing Church Members to the "www.save3ABN.com" website, and by encouraging Internet users to visit the "www.save3ABN.com" website to "learn the truth" about 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton.

[page 12]
45.

Defendants have also participated in this conspiracy by each disseminating, distributing, and reprinting the other's published statements.

Defendants' Untrue Statements
..
50.

Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle have made numerous published untrue statements that 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton acted without grounds in removing Linda Shelton from the 3ABN Board of Directors, that Danny Shelton had no grounds for divorcing Linda Shelton, that 3ABN and Danny Shelton conspired to hide evidence and information concerning the removal and divorce, and that 3ABN and Danny Shelton have lied and made otherwise purposeful misstatements concerning the Shelton's' divorce and Danny Shelton's remarriage. Among those untrue statements made by Defendants are, inter alia, that:

[page 15]
     a.

Danny Shelton and ASI conspired to exclude Gailon Joy from participating in a fact-finding tribunal regarding Linda Shelton's divorce and removal from 3ABN.
  
    b.

Danny Shelton and ASI conspired to prevent various allegations and issues from being included in the fact-finding tribunal.   

     c.

It was Danny Shelton that participated in an extra-marital affair by becoming "involved" in "after hours activities" with 3ABN employee Brenda Walsh.
     
        d.
During his marriage to Linda Shelton, Danny Shelton had several inappropriate extra-marital relationships, of which 3ABN staff and board members were aware.

     e.
Danny Shelton was preparing to divorce Linda Shelton beginning in 2003.
     
       f.
Danny Shelton conducted an inappropriate relationship with from August 2004 until they were married in 2006, and 3ABN's officers and directors were aware of the relationship.


Pickle and Joy's response to every single specific complaint filed against them, including the above, included an acknowledgment that their were repeating here say [ gossip and defamation] and couldn't prove anything they had published was true as they did not have sufficient evidence to do so.

Quote
"Defendants are publishing an allegation that is a restatement of a protected source or sources. Plaintiffs have been unresponsive to the allegations or have been factually challenged. Therefore, defendants are without sufficient evidence upon which to state a fact based response and request the right to supplement their response upon completion of discovery. Therefore denied."



**Pickle and Joy later stopped protecting their sources, as they indicated that they wanted to add Linda Shelton and Darrell Mundall to the case as co litigants to be sued along with them as they stated they were their main sources of information in their court filing. One can only presume Linda and Darrell did not want to step forward and defend the libel and character defamation they had caused because they couldn't. Much easier to whisper in peoples ears and let them do the dirty work and take the blame.

**Pickle also filed a document throwing sister here under the bus for her previous stories and claiming it was she who was guilty of what they were being sued for as she did it first by publishing it all on blacksda before he came on the scene.

But her stories too are based on Linda's tales.

What a mess Linda has wrought.

**I will look for the two documents I referred to above, and add them here later..

~ Cindy



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 06:38:12 AM
Yes, the forum that is known for it's pornography, some say.
Posted on the other forum

Quote
Thread Title: The spirit of Sister's stories is... obvious
Postby Cynthia » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:08 am UTC

Over on adventtalk Sister has taken up writing her sleazy works of fiction again, and as usual alleged Adventists and Christians are salivating over them, and hanging out waiting on the next exciting chapter of "As the stomache turns"

It appears to be the same type of tabloid garbage she published on Blacksda in "the Televangelist" and in her "unauthorized biography of 3abn" ,only she has taken the gloves off and is giving names now..

*********************************************

Lev 19:16
Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
Lev 19:17
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.



Tinka to Sister on adventtalk:

 
Quote
  Don't want to interrupt your chapters but is Brenda still married?




Tinka to 3abn_defender on adventtalk:


 
Quote
  I knew it was a matter of quick time here till this drew some of the "clan" out. I intend to read these documents and they very well fit in to the documents between.
    first of all I was waiting to see who it would draw out first. Now if you have a documentary that you would like to set in here I suppose you can but you see truth has it's sequence and details that just aren't pulled out of the blue.

    ..
    People in their right mind do not make up stories that the ones involved can come back and say hey, that never happened. So you see Sister is not that stupid to say someone saw DS at Brenda's without knowing who saw it in case it came to a court of law....
    Right now you are playing the devils folly unless you can better tell the story incident by incident without the heresay from DS.... Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first... Sister has every right to give what she knows even if she is getting info from LS...


That is pure trash, and lies, and there is no excuse or legit reason to even believe it, but for some sick reason Tinka always believes any garbage or evil she hears about 3ABN and never asks for or needs any evidence except for an evil report or a gossiping slanderous talebearer to speak before doing so. It's disgusting.

Anyway, This has all been addressed years ago and denied, and not one person involved in the lies and slander has presented evidence one to support anything they have claimed about Danny and Brenda, or anything else here....


Quote
[Original Message]
From: Brenda Walsh <brendawalsh@*****>
Cc: Nick Miller <nmiller@******>; Walt Thompson
<walttmd@*****>; Danny Shelton <danshelton@******>
To: Linda Shelton <******>

Date: 2/9/2005 11:57:28 AM
Subject: Letter from BRENDA WALSH

February 9, 2005



Dear Linda,

I am writing to you because I would like you to hear the truth about some misconceptions you may have regarding my marriage to Tim. I received a call from someone who spoke with you personally, and they said that you specifically told them that Tim and I are divorced and that Danny and I were having an affair.

Here is the truth:

1. Tim and I are happily married and we are definitely NOT divorced nor are we planning a divorce. We have a loving Christ centered home and we love each other very much. We believe that God brought us together and we plan to be together till death do us part or until Jesus comes….whichever come first.

2. Your ex-husband, Danny Shelton and I have never had an affair nor are we thinking about having an affair, not in the past, present or future! I would be willing to swear in a court of law, that I have NOT had an affair with Danny or anyone else. The only person Danny has ever talked about loving was you, and I don’t believe that he has had an affair with anyone! I believe he was faithful to you the entire time you were married, both in a physical and spiritual sense.

3. As you know, Danny and I have known each other all our lives and he is like a brother to me. My mom and dad think of him as one of their sons. The ONLY man that I have romantic feelings for is my husband Tim.


I hope this sets the record straight. Now that you know the truth, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from spreading lies and rumors. Linda I love you very much and I cherish many warm and happy memories of our times spent together. We once shared a special friendship and it hurts me to think that you could even possibly think that I would be involved with your husband! Nothing could be farther from the truth! Someday I hope you will realize that I am not your enemy. I wish you only the best and I pray that someday soon when Jesus comes in the clouds of glory, that we will be neighbors together in heaven.

May God bless you,

Your sister in Christ,

Brenda


From the lawsuit filed against Bob Pickle and Gailon Joy:

Quote
Defendants' Conspiratorial Conduct

38.
Upon information and belief, Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle are members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and met former 3ABN director and employee Linda Shelton through their common religious affiliation.

39.
Upon information and belief, Linda Shelton has communicated to Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle statements critical of 3ABN, its board of directors, its officers and/or its employees for them to publish as her agents.
     
40.
Upon information and belief, Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle desire to see Linda Shelton reinstated as an employee and director at 3ABN and intend to discredit and damage the ministry as a means of facilitating Linda Shelton's reinstatement.
     
41.
Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle are visitors and frequent participants in various websites and chat rooms that are frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, where Defendants have, by electronic posting, published numerous statements related to 3ABN

[page 11]

and Danny Shelton. Joy also operates a website at "www.save3ABN.com" where he has also published numerous statements related to 3ABN and Danny Shelton. Joy also operates a website at "www.save3ABN.org" where he directs visitors to the "www.save3ABN.com" website.
     
42.
Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle have, upon information and belief, conspired, and colluded to enable, facilitate, encourage, and promote the publication and dissemination of defamatory, disparaging, and slanderous statements regarding 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton at the internet website "www.save3ABN.com," and other internet websites, wherein numerous false statements regarding 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton have been published by Defendants.
     
43.
Defendants have participated in this conspiracy by jointly authoring many or all of the published statements on "www.save3ABN.com" and by jointly authoring statements published by one or both of them on websites frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, such as "www.blacksda.com," "www.maritime-sda-online.org," "www.christianforum.com," and the Yahoo Prophecy Board forum.

44.
Deffendants have also participated in this conspiracy by jointly marketing, advertising, and promoting the "www.save3ABN.com" website, which they have done by posting electronic links to the website on numerous bulletin boards and websites frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, by mailing advertising postcards to Seventh-Day Adventist Churches across the United States directing Church Members to the "www.save3ABN.com" website, and by encouraging Internet users to visit the "www.save3ABN.com" website to "learn the truth" about 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton.

[page 12]
45.

Defendants have also participated in this conspiracy by each disseminating, distributing, and reprinting the other's published statements.

Defendants' Untrue Statements
..
50.

Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle have made numerous published untrue statements that 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton acted without grounds in removing Linda Shelton from the 3ABN Board of Directors, that Danny Shelton had no grounds for divorcing Linda Shelton, that 3ABN and Danny Shelton conspired to hide evidence and information concerning the removal and divorce, and that 3ABN and Danny Shelton have lied and made otherwise purposeful misstatements concerning the Shelton's' divorce and Danny Shelton's remarriage. Among those untrue statements made by Defendants are, inter alia, that:

[page 15]
     a.

Danny Shelton and ASI conspired to exclude Gailon Joy from participating in a fact-finding tribunal regarding Linda Shelton's divorce and removal from 3ABN.
  
    b.

Danny Shelton and ASI conspired to prevent various allegations and issues from being included in the fact-finding tribunal.   

     c.

It was Danny Shelton that participated in an extra-marital affair by becoming "involved" in "after hours activities" with 3ABN employee Brenda Walsh.
     
        d.
During his marriage to Linda Shelton, Danny Shelton had several inappropriate extra-marital relationships, of which 3ABN staff and board members were aware.

     e.
Danny Shelton was preparing to divorce Linda Shelton beginning in 2003.
     
       f.
Danny Shelton conducted an inappropriate relationship with from August 2004 until they were married in 2006, and 3ABN's officers and directors were aware of the relationship.


Pickle and Joy's response to every single specific complaint filed against them, including the above, included an acknowledgment that their were repeating here say [ gossip and defamation] and couldn't prove anything they had published was true as they did not have sufficient evidence to do so.

Quote
"Defendants are publishing an allegation that is a restatement of a protected source or sources. Plaintiffs have been unresponsive to the allegations or have been factually challenged. Therefore, defendants are without sufficient evidence upon which to state a fact based response and request the right to supplement their response upon completion of discovery. Therefore denied."



**Pickle and Joy later stopped protecting their sources, as they indicated that they wanted to add Linda Shelton and Darrell Mundall to the case as co litigants to be sued along with them as they stated they were their main sources of information in their court filing. One can only presume Linda and Darrell did not want to step forward and defend the libel and character defamation they had caused because they couldn't. Much easier to whisper in peoples ears and let them do the dirty work and take the blame.

**Pickle also filed a document throwing sister here under the bus for her previous stories and claiming it was she who was guilty of what they were being sued for as she did it first by publishing it all on blacksda before he came on the scene.

But her stories too are based on Linda's tales.

What a mess Linda has wrought.

**I will look for the two documents I referred to above, and add them here later..

~ Cindy




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2010, 07:12:41 AM

When I wrote "An Unauthorized History of 3ABN" I had no contact with Linda Shelton.  Part of my information did come from a Shelton, not one by marriage, but one from birth. Before you start surmising further, I am not referring to Steve Shelton, but another Shelton. Once more than one person has information it is no longer a secret.

* * *

Does anyone remember President Bill Clinton on nationwide television, looking directly into the camera and swearing, "I did not have sex with that woman!"

 :oops:

So much for credibility when sex with someone other than their spouse is involved.



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 01, 2010, 07:14:14 AM
How can one belive this letter of Brenda when she lied about the tickets to Florida?
Are the witnesses that saw DS truck at Brenda's in the night liars too?
Is Dr. Day a liar too?
Do you understand that lawyers for the plaintiff can fabricate and spin lies that see no end in their claims? and money sets it.
I did not see Brenda confirming the supposidly lie about the b job. OF course you might think no ones business but public affairs are!
How about Brandy and Brandi background denied. The web site was there buts mass pictures empty. Who wanted to see them anyway, the web site was there.
I don't think Joy and Pickle would state what they cannot prove. Too much at stake.
Prove this different.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 01, 2010, 07:21:27 AM
Sister: I have had the opportunity to read these excerpts carefully, today. Below I have bolded one line that I find most troubling.


What Linda did not realize is that behind her back a “special relationship” had developed between her husband and this same “best friend”. Later Danny would admit to Linda that he had a special emotional bond with Brenda

First, I would like to ask, did Danny Shelton have an affair with Brenda Walsh? or what was the extent of their relationship?

If the answer is not completely known in that sense, theoretically, Danny is the adulterous person. Is it possible that these events was planned by Danny and maybe even Brenda to do away with Linda, so he could marry Brandy?

Just a few thoughts I had...

Well that wouldn't support the theory which has been proposed by those who claim Linda was set up. They claim Linda did not have any kind of improper relationship with the Doctor, but Danny claimed that so he would be free to marry Brandy.

Fact: Seventh-day Adventists believe adultery by one party frees the other to remarry. The adulterous one on the other hand is not free to remarry...

So Danny would not commit adultery or pretend to commit adultery to get rid of Linda, as that would have left him unable to remarry in the eyes of the Adventist church and the 3ABN board.


But the main point is Danny and Brenda both deny it, and no one can prove they did or has any evidence. Even the stories about his truck being at the quest apartment at 3ABN are only a partially based on truth. Brenda Walsh stays their only when taping shows etc. Sister says Brenda was without her husband in the guest housing, implying she was alone, she leaves out that Brenda when taping is there with her two sisters and is not alone, as they are all involved in taping the same shows. As was posted in the letter from her, they have been friends with Danny since before he even met Linda. There is nothing improper in having friends. Linda would be the first to say that.  Linda always knew during her entire marriage that Danny and Brenda were friends and had a special relationship (not sexual). She never had a problem with it nor brought it up as a problem at any time, until after she and Danny got divorced. In fact she and Brenda were also best friends, clear up until Brenda thought her relationship with the Doctor was improper and said so. and disagreed with what Linda was doing.







Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 01, 2010, 07:22:57 AM
How can one belive this letter of Brenda when she lied about the tickets to Florida?

Brenda didn't lie about the tickets. Tinka is repeating a lie about Brenda.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on July 01, 2010, 07:53:37 AM

When I wrote "An Unauthorized History of 3ABN" I had no contact with Linda Shelton.  Part of my information did come from a Shelton, not one by marriage, but one from birth. Before you start surmising further, I am not referring to Steve Shelton, but another Shelton. Once more than one person has information it is no longer a secret.

* * *

Does anyone remember President Bill Clinton on nationwide television, looking directly into the camera and swearing, "I did not have sex with that woman!"

 :oops:

So much for credibility when sex with someone other than their spouse is involved.

Sister, you long ago lost all credibility. Remember when you claimed you came and went observing all at Shelton family gatherings and reporting it? a lie. You witnessed none of this and are the equivalent of  gossip rag writer, not a researcher.. Now you claim you had no contact with Linda and imply no information from her, but if that is true than you had to have just flat out made up so many things, [which we know you did] as you included so many details about her, and about Danny when both were allegedly alone (and not being witnessed by this Shelton you say is your source.) Just as you are doing in this latest edition... Here's one tiny example,  from blacksda, "the Unauthorized History of 3ABN" Chapter 11:


Quote from: Bystander Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:33 PM
Quote from: Sister  Posted 16 September 2006 - 08:50 AM
“Naive”, Part 1

Linda sits quietly in a chair, gazing out the living room window. Danny has just left the room. Her shoulders begins to shake as a single tear slowly makes its way down her cheek, as her lips begin to tremble she hears the roar of Danny's truck as he drives away... Soon the single tear is joined by many others, etching her delicate features like stained glass. Clasping her hands together she falls to her knees and begins to pray... At the same time Linda is praying, Danny is seated in his office viewing a website for private jets.

* * * * *

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:   :D :D :D :D




edit- corrected typos, grammar, and added clarification
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 08:33:52 AM
Sister: I have had the opportunity to read these excerpts carefully, today. Below I have bolded one line that I find most troubling.


What Linda did not realize is that behind her back a “special relationship” had developed between her husband and this same “best friend”. Later Danny would admit to Linda that he had a special emotional bond with Brenda

First, I would like to ask, did Danny Shelton have an affair with Brenda Walsh? or what was the extent of their relationship?

If the answer is not completely known in that sense, theoretically, Danny is the adulterous person. Is it possible that these events was planned by Danny and maybe even Brenda to do away with Linda, so he could marry Brandy?

Just a few thoughts I had...

Well that wouldn't support the theory which has been proposed by those who claim Linda was set up. They claim Linda did not have any kind of improper relationship with the Doctor, but Danny claimed that so he would be free to marry Brandy.

Fact: Seventh-day Adventists believe adultery by one party frees the other to remarry. The adulterous one on the other hand is not free to remarry...

So Danny would not commit adultery or pretend to commit adultery to get rid of Linda, as that would have left him unable to remarry in the eyes of the Adventist church and the 3ABN board.


But the main point is Danny and Brenda both deny it, and no one can prove they did or has any evidence. Even the stories about his truck being at the quest apartment at 3ABN are only a partially based on truth. Brenda Walsh stays their only when taping shows etc. Sister says Brenda was without her husband in the guest housing, implying she was alone, she leaves out that Brenda when taping is there with her two sisters and is not alone, as they are all involved in taping the same shows. As was posted in the letter from her, they have been friends with Danny since before he even met Linda. There is nothing improper in having friends. Linda would be the first to say that.  Linda always knew during her entire marriage that Danny and Brenda were friends and had a special relationship (not sexual). She never had a problem with it nor brought it up as a problem at any time, until after she and Danny got divorced. In fact she and Brenda were also best friends, clear up until Brenda thought her relationship with the Doctor was improper and said so. and disagreed with what Linda was doing.








True Danny didn't pretend. He did commit adultery. Just as I said yesterday those two were definitely doing something in each others company  :oand you will not convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 08:40:20 AM
Posted on the other forum

Quote
Thread Title: The spirit of Sister's stories is... obvious
Postby Cynthia » Thu Jul 01, 2010 9:08 am UTC

Over on adventtalk Sister has taken up writing her sleazy works of fiction again, and as usual alleged Adventists and Christians are salivating over them, and hanging out waiting on the next exciting chapter of "As the stomache turns"

It appears to be the same type of tabloid garbage she published on Blacksda in "the Televangelist" and in her "unauthorized biography of 3abn" ,only she has taken the gloves off and is giving names now..

***************************************

Lev 19:16
Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
Lev 19:17
Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.



Tinka to Sister on adventtalk:

 
Quote
  Don't want to interrupt your chapters but is Brenda still married?




Tinka to 3abn_defender on adventtalk:


 
Quote
  I knew it was a matter of quick time here till this drew some of the "clan" out. I intend to read these documents and they very well fit in to the documents between.
    first of all I was waiting to see who it would draw out first. Now if you have a documentary that you would like to set in here I suppose you can but you see truth has it's sequence and details that just aren't pulled out of the blue.

    ..
    People in their right mind do not make up stories that the ones involved can come back and say hey, that never happened. So you see Sister is not that stupid to say someone saw DS at Brenda's without knowing who saw it in case it came to a court of law....
    Right now you are playing the devils folly unless you can better tell the story incident by incident without the heresay from DS.... Nobody would get on here and say that Brenda did a b job either if she didn't. Goodness knows why she would do a thing like that before she took care of her mouth first... Sister has every right to give what she knows even if she is getting info from LS...


That is pure trash, and lies, and there is no excuse or legit reason to even believe it, but for some sick reason Tinka always believes any garbage or evil she hears about 3ABN and never asks for or needs any evidence except for an evil report or a gossiping slanderous talebearer to speak before doing so. It's disgusting.

Anyway, This has all been addressed years ago and denied, and not one person involved in the lies and slander has presented evidence one to support anything they have claimed about Danny and Brenda, or anything else here....


Quote
[Original Message]
From: Brenda Walsh <brendawalsh@*****>
Cc: Nick Miller <nmiller@******>; Walt Thompson
<walttmd@*****>; Danny Shelton <danshelton@******>
To: Linda Shelton <******>

Date: 2/9/2005 11:57:28 AM
Subject: Letter from BRENDA WALSH

February 9, 2005



Dear Linda,

I am writing to you because I would like you to hear the truth about some misconceptions you may have regarding my marriage to Tim. I received a call from someone who spoke with you personally, and they said that you specifically told them that Tim and I are divorced and that Danny and I were having an affair.

Here is the truth:

1. Tim and I are happily married and we are definitely NOT divorced nor are we planning a divorce. We have a loving Christ centered home and we love each other very much. We believe that God brought us together and we plan to be together till death do us part or until Jesus comes….whichever come first.

2. Your ex-husband, Danny Shelton and I have never had an affair nor are we thinking about having an affair, not in the past, present or future! I would be willing to swear in a court of law, that I have NOT had an affair with Danny or anyone else. The only person Danny has ever talked about loving was you, and I don’t believe that he has had an affair with anyone! I believe he was faithful to you the entire time you were married, both in a physical and spiritual sense.
3. As you know, Danny and I have known each other all our lives and he is like a brother to me. My mom and dad think of him as one of their sons. The ONLY man that I have romantic feelings for is my husband Tim.


I hope this sets the record straight. Now that you know the truth, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from spreading lies and rumors. Linda I love you very much and I cherish many warm and happy memories of our times spent together. We once shared a special friendship and it hurts me to think that you could even possibly think that I would be involved with your husband! Nothing could be farther from the truth! Someday I hope you will realize that I am not your enemy. I wish you only the best and I pray that someday soon when Jesus comes in the clouds of glory, that we will be neighbors together in heaven.

May God bless you,

Your sister in Christ,

Brenda


From the lawsuit filed against Bob Pickle and Gailon Joy:

Quote
Defendants' Conspiratorial Conduct

38.
Upon information and belief, Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle are members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church and met former 3ABN director and employee Linda Shelton through their common religious affiliation.

39.
Upon information and belief, Linda Shelton has communicated to Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle statements critical of 3ABN, its board of directors, its officers and/or its employees for them to publish as her agents.
     
40.
Upon information and belief, Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle desire to see Linda Shelton reinstated as an employee and director at 3ABN and intend to discredit and damage the ministry as a means of facilitating Linda Shelton's reinstatement.
     
41.
Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle are visitors and frequent participants in various websites and chat rooms that are frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, where Defendants have, by electronic posting, published numerous statements related to 3ABN

[page 11]

and Danny Shelton. Joy also operates a website at "www.save3ABN.com" where he has also published numerous statements related to 3ABN and Danny Shelton. Joy also operates a website at "www.save3ABN.org" where he directs visitors to the "www.save3ABN.com" website.
     
42.
Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle have, upon information and belief, conspired, and colluded to enable, facilitate, encourage, and promote the publication and dissemination of defamatory, disparaging, and slanderous statements regarding 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton at the internet website "www.save3ABN.com," and other internet websites, wherein numerous false statements regarding 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton have been published by Defendants.
     
43.
Defendants have participated in this conspiracy by jointly authoring many or all of the published statements on "www.save3ABN.com" and by jointly authoring statements published by one or both of them on websites frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, such as "www.blacksda.com," "www.maritime-sda-online.org," "www.christianforum.com," and the Yahoo Prophecy Board forum.

44.
Deffendants have also participated in this conspiracy by jointly marketing, advertising, and promoting the "www.save3ABN.com" website, which they have done by posting electronic links to the website on numerous bulletin boards and websites frequented by members of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church, by mailing advertising postcards to Seventh-Day Adventist Churches across the United States directing Church Members to the "www.save3ABN.com" website, and by encouraging Internet users to visit the "www.save3ABN.com" website to "learn the truth" about 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton.

[page 12]
45.

Defendants have also participated in this conspiracy by each disseminating, distributing, and reprinting the other's published statements.

Defendants' Untrue Statements
..
50.

Gailon Joy and Robert Pickle have made numerous published untrue statements that 3ABN and its President Danny Shelton acted without grounds in removing Linda Shelton from the 3ABN Board of Directors, that Danny Shelton had no grounds for divorcing Linda Shelton, that 3ABN and Danny Shelton conspired to hide evidence and information concerning the removal and divorce, and that 3ABN and Danny Shelton have lied and made otherwise purposeful misstatements concerning the Shelton's' divorce and Danny Shelton's remarriage. Among those untrue statements made by Defendants are, inter alia, that:

[page 15]
     a.

Danny Shelton and ASI conspired to exclude Gailon Joy from participating in a fact-finding tribunal regarding Linda Shelton's divorce and removal from 3ABN.
  
    b.

Danny Shelton and ASI conspired to prevent various allegations and issues from being included in the fact-finding tribunal.   

     c.

It was Danny Shelton that participated in an extra-marital affair by becoming "involved" in "after hours activities" with 3ABN employee Brenda Walsh.
     
        d.
During his marriage to Linda Shelton, Danny Shelton had several inappropriate extra-marital relationships, of which 3ABN staff and board members were aware.

     e.
Danny Shelton was preparing to divorce Linda Shelton beginning in 2003.
     
       f.
Danny Shelton conducted an inappropriate relationship with from August 2004 until they were married in 2006, and 3ABN's officers and directors were aware of the relationship.


Pickle and Joy's response to every single specific complaint filed against them, including the above, included an acknowledgment that their were repeating here say [ gossip and defamation] and couldn't prove anything they had published was true as they did not have sufficient evidence to do so.

Quote
"Defendants are publishing an allegation that is a restatement of a protected source or sources. Plaintiffs have been unresponsive to the allegations or have been factually challenged. Therefore, defendants are without sufficient evidence upon which to state a fact based response and request the right to supplement their response upon completion of discovery. Therefore denied."



**Pickle and Joy later stopped protecting their sources, as they indicated that they wanted to add Linda Shelton and Darrell Mundall to the case as co litigants to be sued along with them as they stated they were their main sources of information in their court filing. One can only presume Linda and Darrell did not want to step forward and defend the libel and character defamation they had caused because they couldn't. Much easier to whisper in peoples ears and let them do the dirty work and take the blame.

**Pickle also filed a document throwing sister here under the bus for her previous stories and claiming it was she who was guilty of what they were being sued for as she did it first by publishing it all on blacksda before he came on the scene.

But her stories too are based on Linda's tales.

What a mess Linda has wrought.

**I will look for the two documents I referred to above, and add them here later..

~ Cindy





1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

I am shocked that you would believe such arrogance. Let me ask you this then Cindy, what about all those late nights that they were together? Sorry, but that leaves me to believe that they were up to hanky panky.

Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt it. However, I would like you to also explain Cindy or 3D, can you honestly say this is obeying 1 Thessalonians 5:22?  I look forward to your responce.

--edited to add scripture and another question--
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 09:13:55 AM
So let me ask this, since Danny is now divorced, yet again, is he free to remarry? This is not a question against or for Danny Shelton. However, I am simply curious. Would remarriage be supported now?


--edited for grammer--
Sister: I have had the opportunity to read these excerpts carefully, today. Below I have bolded one line that I find most troubling.


What Linda did not realize is that behind her back a “special relationship” had developed between her husband and this same “best friend”. Later Danny would admit to Linda that he had a special emotional bond with Brenda

First, I would like to ask, did Danny Shelton have an affair with Brenda Walsh? or what was the extent of their relationship?

If the answer is not completely known in that sense, theoretically, Danny is the adulterous person. Is it possible that these events was planned by Danny and maybe even Brenda to do away with Linda, so he could marry Brandy?

Just a few thoughts I had...

Well that wouldn't support the theory which has been proposed by those who claim Linda was set up. They claim Linda did not have any kind of improper relationship with the Doctor, but Danny claimed that so he would be free to marry Brandy.

Fact: Seventh-day Adventists believe adultery by one party frees the other to remarry. The adulterous one on the other hand is not free to remarry...

So Danny would not commit adultery or pretend to commit adultery to get rid of Linda, as that would have left him unable to remarry in the eyes of the Adventist church and the 3ABN board.


But the main point is Danny and Brenda both deny it, and no one can prove they did or has any evidence. Even the stories about his truck being at the quest apartment at 3ABN are only a partially based on truth. Brenda Walsh stays their only when taping shows etc. Sister says Brenda was without her husband in the guest housing, implying she was alone, she leaves out that Brenda when taping is there with her two sisters and is not alone, as they are all involved in taping the same shows. As was posted in the letter from her, they have been friends with Danny since before he even met Linda. There is nothing improper in having friends. Linda would be the first to say that.  Linda always knew during her entire marriage that Danny and Brenda were friends and had a special relationship (not sexual). She never had a problem with it nor brought it up as a problem at any time, until after she and Danny got divorced. In fact she and Brenda were also best friends, clear up until Brenda thought her relationship with the Doctor was improper and said so. and disagreed with what Linda was doing.








Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2010, 09:19:56 AM
Quote


Ian: "Remember when you claimed you came and went observing all at Shelton family gatherings and reporting it?"


I never made such a claim, I think I probably said something to the effect that you would not know if I were at certain events or not. Having accurate information about a situation, from more than one credible source is acceptable. And have you considered that Linda could have shared information with others who in turn became sources for me? What I have written is based upon hundreds of hours of interviews with numerous sources, sharing first person accounts, including what I personally experienced.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on July 01, 2010, 09:35:26 AM


1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

I am shocked that you would believe such arrogance.

How do you know it's arrogance rather than the truth?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good...


Quote
Let me ask you this then Cindy, what about all those late nights that they were together?

What late nights that were they together? and how do you know that they were?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good


Quote
Sorry, but that leaves me to believe that they were up to hanky panky.

Without proof?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good


Quote

Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt it. However, I would like you to also explain Cindy or 3D, can you honestly say this is obeying 1 Thessalonians 5:22?  I look forward to your responce.


 Let me explain something to you ST, as you are young and apparently still learning. When you pronounce someone guilty, as you are doing above, and as you are doing below. The burden of proof lies on you. NOT ON ME. When Sister tells her stories the burden of proof lies on her as well. When Danny and Brenda are accused the burden of proof lies on those accusing them and on those pronouncing them guilty. It is not up to Brenda and Danny to prove they didn't do something, without any evidence to even address suggesting they did. All they have are empty words against them, and thus all they can do is say, "no that isn't true."

Now you go back above and look at what I just posted again.  I supplied evidence in support of the that, and if I made any definite statements above such as about Sister lying, about saying she came and went at Shelton family gatherings etc I will supply the proof for whatever it was which  I stated was a fact, if you ask for it, OR I will apologize if I can't. But don't you ever come to me and ask me to prove something didn't occur again, or to ask me to prove something I didn't say again, and think you are going to shame me, for the shame is yours in doing so as far as I am concerned and you will get no answers for I will not waste my time further. You should be intelligent enough to know, that the burden of proof is needed before claiming something is a fact or something did happen or someone is guilty. That hasn't happened here, and it is hypocritical in the extreme for you to not demand that of Sister, or others, or even yourself and then demand I prove you wrong, when all you offer is ugly words and accusations and no proof at all.





True Danny didn't pretend. He did commit adultery. Just as I said yesterday those two were definitely doing something in each others company  :oand you will not convince me otherwise.

btw, Know it alls prevent themselves from learning or knowing all... ;)

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 09:44:19 AM
First, of all I am far from young as you insinuate. Nice try though. Second, I knew you would spin your way out of answering those questions.


1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

I am shocked that you would believe such arrogance.

How do you know it's arrogance rather than the truth?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good...


Quote
Let me ask you this then Cindy, what about all those late nights that they were together?

What late nights that were they together? and how do you know that they were?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good


Quote
Sorry, but that leaves me to believe that they were up to hanky panky.

Without proof?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good


Quote

Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt it. However, I would like you to also explain Cindy or 3D, can you honestly say this is obeying 1 Thessalonians 5:22?  I look forward to your responce.


 Let me explain something to you ST, as you are young and apparently still learning. When you pronounce someone guilty, as you are doing above, and as you are doing below. The burden of proof lies on you. NOT ON ME. When Sister tells her stories the burden of proof lies on her as well. When Danny and Brenda are accused the burden of proof lies on those accusing them and on those pronouncing them guilty. It is not up to Brenda and Danny to prove they didn't do something, without any evidence to even address suggesting they did. All they have are empty words against them, and thus all they can do is say, "no that isn't true."

Now you go back above and look at what I just posted again.  I supplied evidence in support of the that, and if I made any definite statements above such as about Sister lying, about saying she came and went at Shelton family gatherings etc I will supply the proof for whatever it was which  I stated was a fact, if you ask for it, OR I will apologize if I can't. But don't you ever come to me and ask me to prove something didn't occur again, or to ask me to prove something I didn't say again, and think you are going to shame me, for the shame is yours in doing so as far as I am concerned and you will get no answers for I will not waste my time further. You should be intelligent enough to know, that the burden of proof is needed before claiming something is a fact or something did happen or someone is guilty. That hasn't happened here, and it is hypocritical in the extreme for you to not demand that of Sister, or others, or even yourself and then demand I prove you wrong, when all you offer is ugly words and accusations and no proof at all.





True Danny didn't pretend. He did commit adultery. Just as I said yesterday those two were definitely doing something in each others company  :oand you will not convince me otherwise.

btw, Know it alls prevent themselves from learning or knowing all... ;)


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 09:46:34 AM
First, of all I am far from young as you insinuate. Nice try though. Second, I knew you would spin your way out of answering those questions.


1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

I am shocked that you would believe such arrogance.

How do you know it's arrogance rather than the truth?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good...


Quote
Let me ask you this then Cindy, what about all those late nights that they were together?

What late nights that were they together? and how do you know that they were?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good


Quote
Sorry, but that leaves me to believe that they were up to hanky panky.

Without proof?



1 Thessalonians 5 states:
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good


Quote

Maybe I am wrong, but I doubt it. However, I would like you to also explain Cindy or 3D, can you honestly say this is obeying 1 Thessalonians 5:22?  I look forward to your responce.


 Let me explain something to you ST, as you are young and apparently still learning. When you pronounce someone guilty, as you are doing above, and as you are doing below. The burden of proof lies on you. NOT ON ME. When Sister tells her stories the burden of proof lies on her as well. When Danny and Brenda are accused the burden of proof lies on those accusing them and on those pronouncing them guilty. It is not up to Brenda and Danny to prove they didn't do something, without any evidence to even address suggesting they did. All they have are empty words against them, and thus all they can do is say, "no that isn't true."

Now you go back above and look at what I just posted again.  I supplied evidence in support of the that, and if I made any definite statements above such as about Sister lying, about saying she came and went at Shelton family gatherings etc I will supply the proof for whatever it was which  I stated was a fact, if you ask for it, OR I will apologize if I can't. But don't you ever come to me and ask me to prove something didn't occur again, or to ask me to prove something I didn't say again, and think you are going to shame me, for the shame is yours in doing so as far as I am concerned and you will get no answers for I will not waste my time further. You should be intelligent enough to know, that the burden of proof is needed before claiming something is a fact or something did happen or someone is guilty. That hasn't happened here, and it is hypocritical in the extreme for you to not demand that of Sister, or others, or even yourself and then demand I prove you wrong, when all you offer is ugly words and accusations and no proof at all.





True Danny didn't pretend. He did commit adultery. Just as I said yesterday those two were definitely doing something in each others company  :oand you will not convince me otherwise.

btw, Know it alls prevent themselves from learning or knowing all... ;)


Sorry, Cindy, but no one could take that title from you.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2010, 10:37:25 AM
Ian, where is your evidence that I lied? I am asking for proof. You supplied no evidence. I answered your accusations and you conveniently ignored it.

Secondly, you state the following:

Quote

I will supply the proof for whatever it was which  I stated was a fact, if you ask for it, OR I will apologize if I can't. But don't you ever come to me and ask me to prove something didn't occur again, or to ask me to prove something I didn't say again, and think you are going to shame me, for the shame is yours in doing so as far as I am concerned and you will get no answers for I will not waste my time further. You should be intelligent enough to know, that the burden of proof is needed before claiming something is a fact or something did happen or someone is guilty. That hasn't happened here, and it is hypocritical in the extreme for you to not demand that of Sister, or others, or even yourself and then demand I prove you wrong, when all you offer is ugly words and accusations and no proof at all.



Ian, based upon your reasoning above none of us should believe any of the ugly words or accusations that Danny Shelton made about Linda Shelton and her son's doctor in Norway. When Linda demanded that he produce publically the evidence he claimed he had, her request was ignored. By your reasoning above after the evidence was demanded  and no proof was given, the only logical conclusion is that Danny Shelton is a liar. The only hypocrite I see here is you. Where is your evidence? Have you every lived in Thompsonville? Have you ever had free access or lived on the 3ABN compound? Do you personally know or have spoken with Danny or Linda Shelton or any of the other individuals involved in this situation? Where is your credibility?

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gregory on July 01, 2010, 12:13:17 PM
Samuelthomas asked:
Quote
So let me ask this, since Danny is now divorced, yet again, is he free to remarry? This is not a question against or for Danny Shelton. However, I am simply curious. Would remarriage be supported now?

There are two aspects to this question:

1) The first relates to the divorce from Linda and whether or not Danny had a Biblical right to remarry.  At this point in time it is to late to ask if Danny had a Biblically valid reason to divorce Linda.  I have taken the positin that he did not have what a conservative SDA would consider to be Biblically valid.  But, the discussion should move beyond that.  In SDA polity the local congregation is the group that decides whether or not an individual has the right to remmarry.  Danny's marriage to Brandy was performed by the pastor of his local congregation.  It is thus clear that the decision of the local congregation (whether right or wrong) was that Danny had the right to remarry.  In the thinking of American society, a person charged with a crime and found "not guilty" is considered to have been given a final judgement and that person cannot be tried for that crime again.  At this point in time, there is no system in place in the SDA Church to go back and find that Danny Shelton did not have the right to remarry.  Whether or not one agrees with the decision of the local congragation, that is how it should be.

Because Linda is still charged with conduct that resulted in the break-up of her marriage to Danny and conduct that gave Danny the right to remmary, it is appropriate for Linda and her supporters to defend against the charges.  However, in doing so, the remarriage of Danny to Brandy should be off the table.  It took place.  The SDA Church made a decision about that.  This subject should be finished.  Some things just have to be left to God and this is one of them.

Frankly, I believe that the number of SDA ministers who would say that this should be off the table at this point in time is the vast majority.

2) The second related to the divorce from Brandy and whther or not Danny has a Biblical right to remarry.  For those who know the facts, the answer to this one is clear:  Yes, Danny Shelton has a Biblical right to remarry.  I will commend Danny Shelton and 3-ABN for the responsisble way in which they have related to this sad turn of events.    They have kept quiet about the circumstances of the divorce.  They have not attempted to blacken the reputation of Danny's former wife, Brandy.  There have been valid questions raised related to 3-ABN and Danny Shelton.  But, Brandy should never be a central focus in this saga.  She became a new convert to Adventism (and possibly to Christianity in general) close to the time of her marriage to Danny.  As such she needed time and space to grow in Christian faith.  I doubt that she ever understood, prior to her marriage to Danny, the intensity of the fire that would envelop her as Danny's new wife.  The time came when this became to much for her and she exited the marriage.  Frankly, I believe that there are few women who in her situation would have been able to sustain a marriage under those circumstances.  She should not be criticized, rather God should be asked to sustain her, surround her with His love and help her to find the peace that He would want her to have.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Emma on July 01, 2010, 12:17:12 PM
Thank you for that considered and Christian opinion, Gregory.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2010, 12:26:28 PM
Samuelthomas asked:
Quote
So let me ask this, since Danny is now divorced, yet again, is he free to remarry? This is not a question against or for Danny Shelton. However, I am simply curious. Would remarriage be supported now?

There are two aspects to this question:

1) The first relates to the divorce from Linda and whether or not Danny had a Biblical right to remarry.  At this point in time it is to late to ask if Danny had a Biblically valid reason to divorce Linda.  I have taken the positin that he did not have what a conservative SDA would consider to be Biblically valid.  But, the discussion should move beyond that.  In SDA polity the local congregation is the group that decides whether or not an individual has the right to remmarry. Danny's marriage to Brandy was performed by the pastor of his local congregation.  It is thus clear that the decision of the local congregation (whether right or wrong) was that Danny had the right to remarry.  In the thinking of American society, a person charged with a crime and found "not guilty" is considered to have been given a final judgement and that person cannot be tried for that crime again.  At this point in time, there is no system in place in the SDA Church to go back and find that Danny Shelton did not have the right to remarry.  Whether or not one agrees with the decision of the local congragation, that is how it should be.

Because Linda is still charged with conduct that resulted in the break-up of her marriage to Danny and conduct that gave Danny the right to remmary, it is appropriate for Linda and her supporters to defend against the charges.  However, in doing so, the remarriage of Danny to Brandy should be off the table.  It took place.  The SDA Church made a decision about that.  This subject should be finished.  Some things just have to be left to God and this is one of them.

Frankly, I believe that the number of SDA ministers who would say that this should be off the table at this point in time is the vast majority.

2) The second related to the divorce from Brandy and whther or not Danny has a Biblical right to remarry.  For those who know the facts, the answer to this one is clear:  Yes, Danny Shelton has a Biblical right to remarry.  I will commend Danny Shelton and 3-ABN for the responsisble way in which they have related to this sad turn of events.    They have kept quiet about the circumstances of the divorce.  They have not attempted to blacken the reputation of Danny's former wife, Brandy.  There have been valid questions raised related to 3-ABN and Danny Shelton.  But, Brandy should never be a central focus in this saga.  She became a new convert to Adventism (and possibly to Christianity in general) close to the time of her marriage to Danny.  As such she needed time and space to grow in Christian faith.  I doubt that she ever understood, prior to her marriage to Danny, the intensity of the fire that would envelop her as Danny's new wife.  The time came when this became to much for her and she exited the marriage.  Frankly, I believe that there are few women who in her situation would have been able to sustain a marriage under those circumstances.  She should not be criticized, rather God should be asked to sustain her, surround her with His love and help her to find the peace that He would want her to have.



Sorry, Gregory, you know not of what you speak. Danny and Brandi were not married by their local pastor or in their local church. The were married by Pastor Rick Odel in the 3ABN studios. It seemed a bit strange at the time.


And as far as Danny having the Biblicial right to be remarried now, I would say that is still in question.

I forgot to ask, where did you get the information that Danny and Brandi were married by their local pastor? Or was it just an assumption? Basing an argument on a false premise negates the conclusion.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 01:15:40 PM
Thank you for answering my question, Gregory. quote author=Gregory link=topic=1909.msg25847#msg25847 date=1278011597]
Samuelthomas asked:
Quote
So let me ask this, since Danny is now divorced, yet again, is he free to remarry? This is not a question against or for Danny Shelton. However, I am simply curious. Would remarriage be supported now?
Quote

There are two aspects to this question:

1) The first relates to the divorce from Linda and whether or not Danny had a Biblical right to remarry.  At this point in time it is to late to ask if Danny had a Biblically valid reason to divorce Linda.  I have taken the positin that he did not have what a conservative SDA would consider to be Biblically valid.  But, the discussion should move beyond that.  In SDA polity the local congregation is the group that decides whether or not an individual has the right to remmarry.  Danny's marriage to Brandy was performed by the pastor of his local congregation.  It is thus clear that the decision of the local congregation (whether right or wrong) was that Danny had the right to remarry.  In the thinking of American society, a person charged with a crime and found "not guilty" is considered to have been given a final judgement and that person cannot be tried for that crime again.  At this point in time, there is no system in place in the SDA Church to go back and find that Danny Shelton did not have the right to remarry.  Whether or not one agrees with the decision of the local congragation, that is how it should be.

Because Linda is still charged with conduct that resulted in the break-up of her marriage to Danny and conduct that gave Danny the right to remmary, it is appropriate for Linda and her supporters to defend against the charges.  However, in doing so, the remarriage of Danny to Brandy should be off the table.  It took place.  The SDA Church made a decision about that.  This subject should be finished.  Some things just have to be left to God and this is one of them.

Frankly, I believe that the number of SDA ministers who would say that this should be off the table at this point in time is the vast majority.

2) The second related to the divorce from Brandy and whther or not Danny has a Biblical right to remarry.  For those who know the facts, the answer to this one is clear:  Yes, Danny Shelton has a Biblical right to remarry.  I will commend Danny Shelton and 3-ABN for the responsisble way in which they have related to this sad turn of events.    They have kept quiet about the circumstances of the divorce.  They have not attempted to blacken the reputation of Danny's former wife, Brandy.  There have been valid questions raised related to 3-ABN and Danny Shelton.  But, Brandy should never be a central focus in this saga.  She became a new convert to Adventism (and possibly to Christianity in general) close to the time of her marriage to Danny.  As such she needed time and space to grow in Christian faith.  I doubt that she ever understood, prior to her marriage to Danny, the intensity of the fire that would envelop her as Danny's new wife.  The time came when this became to much for her and she exited the marriage.  Frankly, I believe that there are few women who in her situation would have been able to sustain a marriage under those circumstances.  She should not be criticized, rather God should be asked to sustain her, surround her with His love and help her to find the peace that He would want her to have.


Edited formatting only
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gregory on July 01, 2010, 01:23:05 PM
Sister:

Thank you for correcting an error that I made.

My statement was made on the basis of a faulty memory.

I appreciate the correction.

Regardless of the fact that I was in error on that point, I believe that my major point still stands:  The decision as to whether or not Danny had the Biblical reight to remarry rested with the local congregation.  Whether or not they made the correct decision, I will suggest that it should be clear that the local congregation did not have a problem with Danny's remarriage.  At this point, I believe that we should leave it alone.

Yes, I understand that there will be those who disagree with me.   :)

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 01:28:43 PM
I agree with your logic, Gregory.  As many are aware I do not support the Sheltons, but your points make sense to me. If in case the church did give Danny permission to be remarried to Brandy, and they both (Danny and Brandy) remained faithful through out the duration of their marriage; I would not have a problem with Danny remarrying. Again, thank you.
Sister:

Thank you for correcting an error that I made.

My statement was made on the basis of a faulty memory.

I appreciate the correction.

Regardless of the fact that I was in error on that point, I believe that my major point still stands:  The decision as to whether or not Danny had the Biblical reight to remarry rested with the local congregation.  Whether or not they made the correct decision, I will suggest that it should be clear that the local congregation did not have a problem with Danny's remarriage.  At this point, I believe that we should leave it alone.

Yes, I understand that there will be those who disagree with me.   :)



--edited to add another thought.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 01, 2010, 01:34:13 PM
I find it very amusing reading many of these posts. These defenders are using a unique method many lawyers use, and seem quite skilled at it. They are searching for small loopholes in areas where certain details seem unclear. And then they major on attacks in these areas causing the vision of some people to be blurred. They keep shooting at these targets to obscure the general picture of the events, and thereby hoping to gain a victory by a multitude of weak arguments.

This is not a new method. Scripture testifies to the fact that Adam and Eve attempted to use the same method hoping God would look in a different direction. So the great majority of people in this world hope to gain the attention of even the  Lord Himself to look at something else so they can sneak in through the door.

How many are claiming, "See how righteous I am? Look at all the many good things I have done. They obscure the minor faults I might have made, if I actually made any."

This method will be used until the bells toll for the final judgment - and is the greatest danger to keep us out of heaven.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 01, 2010, 01:59:24 PM
Hey tinka!  You know I've been around.  Reading, but not posting because somebody already expresseed my thoughts so very well.   


Where you been, I've missed you. About time you weighed in here.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 01, 2010, 03:19:51 PM
I find it very amusing reading many of these posts. These defenders are using a unique method many lawyers use, and seem quite skilled at it. They are searching for small loopholes in areas where certain details seem unclear. And then they major on attacks in these areas causing the vision of some people to be blurred. They keep shooting at these targets to obscure the general picture of the events, and thereby hoping to gain a victory by a multitude of weak arguments.

This is not a new method. Scripture testifies to the fact that Adam and Eve attempted to use the same method hoping God would look in a different direction. So the great majority of people in this world hope to gain the attention of even the  Lord Himself to look at something else so they can sneak in through the door.

How many are claiming, "See how righteous I am? Look at all the many good things I have done. They obscure the minor faults I might have made, if I actually made any."

This method will be used until the bells toll for the final judgment - and is the greatest danger to keep us out of heaven.

Well said, Johann!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: childoftheking on July 01, 2010, 04:15:30 PM
Did God make the rules or does the Seventh-day Adventist Church have the right to change the rules or the interpretation? Do church or community customs or tradition have more weight than the Bible? Does God change his standards because the church is influenced by the world and changes hers? Do we follow the Catholic Church in its interpretaion of the "statement that whatever the church binds on earth is bound in heaven."?

One who knowingly willingly practices sin can  fool others into thinking he is justified in his actions and they might look the other way. They might feel that because there isn't immediate thunder and lightening and the sinner seems to prosper that God isn't angered. But do not mistake longsuffering patience for infinite forbearing. Humans have short memory, forget, move on to a new interest or pressing crisis and feel that because things are in the past they are no longer relevant or actionable. Are unrepented of transgressions made holy because of the passage of time or because of the public opinion of the "saints"? Is God pragmatic with a post modern mindset? I know that God is mercifull but is He stupid? Or is He a wimp? Is he less exacting than He declares Himself to be?  I think not.


Not always but sometimes even today "cold case crimes" are revived and solved and the perpetrators made to face judgement -  even in our imperfect legal system. Sometimes in this world people are put on probation and they violate their probation or their time runs out. God's legal system is infinitely superior. Should we respect it less?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 01, 2010, 04:41:51 PM
I once asked that question of a pastor and he told me that I should consider the church as a club in which one joins in order to be a part of a group where the members think alike, and if I don't wish to conform, I should leave and find another club that conforms to what I want.

Did God make the rules or does the Seventh-day Adventist Church have the right to change the rules or the interpretation? Do church or community customs or tradition have more weight than the Bible? Does God change his standards because the church is influenced by the world and changes hers? Do we follow the Catholic Church in its interpretaion of the "statement that whatever the church binds on earth is bound in heaven."?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: childoftheking on July 01, 2010, 06:17:28 PM
George, Thank you for that. And would you not agree that there is the "church at large" which is invisible and which at the present time has many members who are in diverse fellowships and are living up to the light they have and who are endevoring to follow God's leading. They are God's children and they are our brothers and sisters. They will be in heaven I believe. There are many churches, many denominations of which the Seventh-day Adventist church is but one.

However if we believe what it teaches, the Seventh-day Adventist Church was called out of these communions to perform a task. Of whom much is given, much will be required. To complete its mission requires that its members treat it not as a "country club", a social culture or a political organization whose rank and file are required to sacrifice all while the elite upper classes benefit (all the while the elite profess to be of more service to the cause of God than the rank and file). The elite can be kind of "clubby" But we are told that not all members of our church, our denomination are converted and not all of us will be saved in the end. But I beleive that this is where God wants me to be and I believe its teachings in spite of all of our human frailties.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 01, 2010, 07:36:47 PM
Childoftheking, and Johann,

I am so glad there is still 'right" expressed in both your posts according to scripture and rules. I do not like to read Gregory's theories or justification smoothing over corruption, adultery and misuse and what has been done "so let it be" attitude.  That does not make it right. I know one thing for sure...if it all did not happen we all would not be on here discussing what we see that is not approved by the "public donors" but evidently approved by the "followers" and the "clan" of local loco church that is persuaded by the perverse adulterer.  I hope he is okayed to marry 6 more times so his money runs out. Maybe after a few more times the public will get wise since of course most do not know this is going on. He is counting on the seniors that are not on computers.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 01, 2010, 07:47:47 PM
"Jesus did not establish or condone the institution of denominationalism. Denominations are a creation of people using the name of God to justify the establishment of a power structure under which people of like mind may come together, pay their club dues, and look with pity, suspicion, or jaundiced eye upon those outside the fold..." An over-simplification, to be sure, yet there is an undeniably unfortunate truth to it.

That said, a person in a position of power and in charge of the purse from which the members of the church that will judge his right to remarriage draw their living, will be rightfully expected to emerge exonerrated from a debacle such as this one.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 08:12:35 PM
Childoftheking, and Johann,

I am so glad there is still 'right" expressed in both your posts according to scripture and rules. I do not like to read Gregory's theories or justification smoothing over corruption, adultery and misuse and what has been done "so let it be" attitude.  That does not make it right. I know one thing for sure...if it all did not happen we all would not be on here discussing what we see that is not approved by the "public donors" but evidently approved by the "followers" and the "clan" of local loco church that is persuaded by the perverse adulterer.  I hope he is okayed to marry 6 more times so his money runs out. Maybe after a few more times the public will get wise since of course most do not know this is going on. He is counting on the seniors that are not on computers.
My sentiments exactly Tinka, a few more marriages and he may have to marry for money himself!  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Fran on July 01, 2010, 08:24:46 PM
Maranatha; so come Lord Jesus!

I find it very amusing reading many of these posts. These defenders are using a unique method many lawyers use, and seem quite skilled at it. They are searching for small loopholes in areas where certain details seem unclear. And then they major on attacks in these areas causing the vision of some people to be blurred. They keep shooting at these targets to obscure the general picture of the events, and thereby hoping to gain a victory by a multitude of weak arguments.

This is not a new method. Scripture testifies to the fact that Adam and Eve attempted to use the same method hoping God would look in a different direction. So the great majority of people in this world hope to gain the attention of even the  Lord Himself to look at something else so they can sneak in through the door.

How many are claiming, "See how righteous I am? Look at all the many good things I have done. They obscure the minor faults I might have made, if I actually made any."

This method will be used until the bells toll for the final judgment - and is the greatest danger to keep us out of heaven.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Fran on July 01, 2010, 08:31:29 PM
Did God make the rules or does the Seventh-day Adventist Church have the right to change the rules or the interpretation? Do church or community customs or tradition have more weight than the Bible? Does God change his standards because the church is influenced by the world and changes hers? Do we follow the Catholic Church in its interpretaion of the "statement that whatever the church binds on earth is bound in heaven."?

One who knowingly willingly practices sin can  fool others into thinking he is justified in his actions and they might look the other way. They might feel that because there isn't immediate thunder and lightening and the sinner seems to prosper that God isn't angered. But do not mistake longsuffering patience for infinite forbearing. Humans have short memory, forget, move on to a new interest or pressing crisis and feel that because things are in the past they are no longer relevant or actionable. Are unrepented of transgressions made holy because of the passage of time or because of the public opinion of the "saints"? Is God pragmatic with a post modern mindset? I know that God is mercifull but is He stupid? Or is He a wimp? Is he less exacting than He declares Himself to be?  I think not.

Not always but sometimes even today "cold case crimes" are revived and solved and the perpetrators made to face judgement -  even in our imperfect legal system. Sometimes in this world people are put on probation and they violate their probation or their time runs out.  God's legal system is infinitely superior. Should we respect it less?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Fran on July 01, 2010, 08:35:05 PM
"Jesus did not establish or condone the institution of denominationalism. Denominations are a creation of people using the name of God to justify the establishment of a power structure under which people of like mind may come together, pay their club dues, and look with pity, suspicion, or jaundiced eye upon those outside the fold..." An over-simplification, to be sure, yet there is an undeniably unfortunate truth to it.

That said, a person in a position of power and in charge of the purse from which the members of the church that will judge his right to remarriage draw their living, will be rightfully expected to emerge exonerrated from a debacle such as this one.

Yes, Yes!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 01, 2010, 09:47:35 PM
Ian, you know who sister is?!!


When I wrote "An Unauthorized History of 3ABN" I had no contact with Linda Shelton.  Part of my information did come from a Shelton, not one by marriage, but one from birth. Before you start surmising further, I am not referring to Steve Shelton, but another Shelton. Once more than one person has information it is no longer a secret.

* * *

Does anyone remember President Bill Clinton on nationwide television, looking directly into the camera and swearing, "I did not have sex with that woman!"

 :oops:

So much for credibility when sex with someone other than their spouse is involved.

Sister, you long ago lost all credibility. Remember when you claimed you came and went observing all at Shelton family gatherings and reporting it? a lie. You witnessed none of this and are the equivalent of  gossip rag writer, not a researcher.. Now you claim you had no contact with Linda and imply no information from her, but if that is true than you had to have just flat out made up so many things, [which we know you did] as you included so many details about her, and about Danny when both were allegedly alone (and not being witnessed by this Shelton you say is your source.) Just as you are doing in this latest edition... Here's one tiny example,  from blacksda, "the Unauthorized History of 3ABN" Chapter 11:


Quote from: Bystander Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:33 PM
Quote from: Sister  Posted 16 September 2006 - 08:50 AM
“Naive”, Part 1

Linda sits quietly in a chair, gazing out the living room window. Danny has just left the room. Her shoulders begins to shake as a single tear slowly makes its way down her cheek, as her lips begin to tremble she hears the roar of Danny's truck as he drives away... Soon the single tear is joined by many others, etching her delicate features like stained glass. Clasping her hands together she falls to her knees and begins to pray... At the same time Linda is praying, Danny is seated in his office viewing a website for private jets.

* * * * *

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:   :D :D :D :D




edit- corrected typos, grammar, and added clarification
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 01, 2010, 09:58:20 PM
He said that with a straight face, George?   He is about right, though.  The church does, many times, resemble a restricted country club.......

It is so strange that we have wondered from the ideal of the first church where all were welcome.  All put in what they had, but got what they needed, no matter the amount they put in.  Now we call ourselves christians, and are so scared somebody we believe undeserving will get something...........That is just a puzzle to me.  How do we claim His Name, but at our very core of our beliefs be so selfish and un-Christ-like?

Things that make you go hmmmmmm.........but I digress...forgive me........


Ok but come on guys, this is at the bery least very entertaining!   Ok reading on..................keep writin' Sis!


I once asked that question of a pastor and he told me that I should consider the church as a club in which one joins in order to be a part of a group where the members think alike, and if I don't wish to conform, I should leave and find another club that conforms to what I want.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 01, 2010, 10:02:15 PM
Another person grasping at "spitballs." Breezy, Junebug, "maybe a minor consented", writes the following:


 Re: The spirit of Sister's stories is... obvious
by Breezy » Fri Jul 02, 2010 5:44 am UTC

Cindy, thanks for your post. It seems AT is much like BSDA--as soon as the truth is told, you are banned. How is that for fairness and a desire to know the truth. Just as you ban people for coming over to your filty site to defend themselves? Honestly--I have come to a definite conclusion: the people over on AT are not very intelligent. Funny, coming from someone who believes molestation is alright if a minor consents. They do not check out to see if "these things are so" (that's Biblical you know) because if they did, they would find out there are a lot of lies being told there. Yes, many lies, and you are silly enough to believe them.

It is a LIE that Danny Shelton lines his pockets with people's donations. Really? Someone is paying for his fancy clothes, his livestalk, and his fake hair. (I don't know, how many times have I repeated this? a dozen? and they still repeat their lies) 3ABN is AUDITED and there are people in charge of opening up the mail and receiving the offerings. Are these the same people who are allowed to read private emails and allow others to do so as in the situation that happened to Grat?  Has anyone from AT ever actually gone to 3ABN to check this out? Have they looked to see how 3ABN is run? It does not take a genious to figure out what kind of funny farm is going on over there. No need to visit to find that out.  They would see that the treasurer's make careful records that are audited carefully each year. BY LAW, your donations MUST go where you ask them to go--PERIOD END OF SENTENCE.  Yes, but as history has shown the Sheltons do not always abide by the law, so your argument is void.But that isn't the problem is it? No, the bare bones truth is that truth doesn't really matter to those at AdventTalk. They just like to revel in the dirtiest garbage they can make up about Danny Shelton, and anyone who works there or who supports them.Yes, we are just as dirty as those who defend him, aren't we? The worst of lies have been told about Brenda Walsh even in the face of her letter denying these things as lies. I still say something was goin on in the late hours, I am sure hey wasn't sitting around sipping tea all night! Yet, they still revel in it and discuss it. How DISRESPECTFUL can you people get?About as disgusting as your filthy post. How DARE you talk trash about those who are doing God's work.Pretending to do God's work, to cover up for the devilish acts. The TRASH you say about others behind their backs only boomerangs BACK onto YOURSELVES--making you look dirty and ugly. You can try to blacken someone's reputation but you can NEVER NEVER EVER hurt their characterI'm glad you believe that, but I don't.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Praise the Lord for THAT fact.

But the bottom line is this: It doesn't matter. None of it is hurting 3ABN.Really? then why is there still a law suit. Why are people such as yourself still over hear defending if everything is in the clear? At the Atlanta GC meetings, their booth has been one of the MOST popular ones--many people stopping by to meet 3ABN faithful workers or to buy something. How do I know? They've posted pictures with dozens and dozens of people crowding around so thickly you can't even see the booth. God is still blessing 3ABN and even MORE abundantly today. Souls are being won to the Lord. Many have become faithful in the remnant church. Praise the Lord!!!
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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 01, 2010, 10:07:11 PM
I know, I meant to answer this the other day.  

Now, I know that the SDA church makes plenty money from the writings of EGW.  However, if they go around handing out the books and selling them to anyone who will take them, why do you think that only supporting SDA members can look to EGW as a spiritual authority?  The two can be mutually exclusive.  Isn't that the point to get as many people as possible to see her as a spiritual authority, and just just the decased founder of a cult?  Let's make up our minds here.....


I'm always amazed when persons, who don't support the SDA church, still try to use Ellen White as an authority figure to bash those who do. If they believe in her, why not follow her teachings, come back into the fold, and be a real Seventh-day Adventist?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 01, 2010, 10:12:00 PM
See, I remember there was some controversy with that one also.  I didn't want to start anything......today..........Can't promise anyting for tomorrow.


LOL, thanks princessdi. But, although I have often been credited as the author of "The Te...", it was not my work. I only wrote "An Unauthorized History of 3ABN". Although both Jorgen VanBraun and I have somewhat similar writing styles and wrote on the same topic, I can not take credit for an others work. Perhaps one day Jorgen will write again, I would love to do a collaboration with him.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 02, 2010, 04:05:09 AM

Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Continued...

Quote

For Linda events eventually escalate from emotional and mental abuse to physical abuse. Although physical abuse is often thought of as an enraged husband beating his wife, there is one form of abuse that is far more devastating for its victim physically, emotionally and spiritually: when what was once the joys of the marriage bed become an abusive act. What was once an expression of mutual love between a devoted married couple becomes a forced act of non-mutual consent for the animal gratification of one partner forced upon an unwilling spouse.  When a husband who has told his wife he wants to get rid of her and she refuses his sexual advances, he then forces himself on her physically and states that it is his “right” until they are divorced, an act that was once consider a joy becomes little more than the most vile crime that can be committed against a woman. In the midst of all this harassment, built entirely upon fabricated “evidence”, Linda asks Danny the one question she can not answer for herself, “Why are you treating me like this?” He answers, “Because I want you to get out!” Shattered by the brutality of her husbands response, she turns and walks away, barely able to discern her direction, as the tears stream from her eyes.

Dr. Abrahamsen explains that despite a request from the 3ABN Board Chairman, Walt Thompson, for all contact between he and Linda to terminate immediately. After a few weeks he allows it to continue: “At one point I had a conversation with Walt Thompson, Chairman of the Board of 3ABN. He asked me to stop all communication with Linda. This had also been communicated to Johann and Irmgard Thorvaldsson and others. I told him that it was obviously Danny’s plan to isolate Linda from everyone at a time when she needed help. To me it was the Christian thing to answer her phone calls and the only humane thing to do for someone who was in crisis.”

“Considering the urgency of the situation I allowed the conversations to resume. Linda knew, with her high profile status, that confiding with local people regarding these issues would be very bad for the ministry. I had given counsel to people in difficulty in the past and felt I could be helpful from a distance in this situation. I encouraged Linda to fight for her marriage and ministry many times. This she really did, but she often had to leave her home to find refuge at her daughter's apartment in Springfield, even in the middle of the night because of Danny's behavior. At times like these she was afraid of him. She always returned to her home after a couple of days seeking to try to mend the marriage, but Danny would not allow this.”





Some of you people with human feelings and intelligence will understand what Linda had to suffer when Walt and Danny did all they could to cut off any communication between Linda and her friends, and this did not only apply to friends in Norway but just as much to friends in the United States of America. In spite of what false claims and rumors say about her travels, Linda did not go to Norway until after the divorce.Then my wife, Irmgard, and Linda went blueberry picking in the woods. I think most of that time was spent on a woman to woman talk rather than searching for berries.

I made a call to Walt and asked him if he'd make sure Danny would not hurt Linda physically. At that time the 3ABN staff was attending the ASI convention. Walt was so taken by the exaltation of 3ABN by the ASI people that he could easily dismiss the idea that Linda would be in any danger. When I drove Linda to the airport she was still in fear of what would happen on her return. Not without a reason.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 02, 2010, 04:43:28 AM
It is quite obvious that Linda must be a meek spirit even as portrayed in her character that everyone except the "clan" can view or knows of her.

This is why I sort of make this statement. If she would be the person that they make her out to be I can tell you that Danny boy  :rabbit: would have been terrified of her. She could have went to outside press!  Why did she not even have access or say about the funds that came in. That alone should tell anybody she was a very complying and her acts and thoughts were to the Lords work at 3abn.  

She could have connived to get her self a situation like Brandy did but this time one with "money too" and put the screws to the old wood head.  There is one incident in this whole saga that LS did and I would have done the same if I knew he was acting the way he was.  Going through all her stuff like a  mad dog in a meat house. She wanted to prove that he was doing just that and she did.   But thats coming just around the corner of outside press finding out about the dark closets of 3abn. They could have an "oil spill"....that they don't expect.

Corrected to one word added.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Nosir Myzing on July 02, 2010, 05:43:30 AM
Ian, you know who sister is?!!



We all do... I was just reading on the other forum, and it appears that Sister is going to have to wait for Ian to reply to her questions here. It appears Ian, (who is outed almost every time she posts here) broke the rules here in making that known again, and is being disciplined for "Posting inappropriate material". Her post was edited, and she is under a administrative ban. I am not complaining about that, nor was she, going by her post, I am just explaining why she appears to be ignoring people and not answering them here. And on a personal note, I do think that extremely ironic as it was sister who originally outed ian.



When I wrote "An Unauthorized History of 3ABN" I had no contact with Linda Shelton.  Part of my information did come from a Shelton, not one by marriage, but one from birth. Before you start surmising further, I am not referring to Steve Shelton, but another Shelton. Once more than one person has information it is no longer a secret.

* * *

Does anyone remember President Bill Clinton on nationwide television, looking directly into the camera and swearing, "I did not have sex with that woman!"

 :oops:

So much for credibility when sex with someone other than their spouse is involved.

Sister, you long ago lost all credibility. Remember when you claimed you came and went observing all at Shelton family gatherings and reporting it? a lie. You witnessed none of this and are the equivalent of  gossip rag writer, not a researcher.. Now you claim you had no contact with Linda and imply no information from her, but if that is true than you had to have just flat out made up so many things, [which we know you did] as you included so many details about her, and about Danny when both were allegedly alone (and not being witnessed by this Shelton you say is your source.) Just as you are doing in this latest edition... Here's one tiny example,  from blacksda, "the Unauthorized History of 3ABN" Chapter 11:


Quote from: Bystander Posted 28 January 2007 - 04:33 PM
Quote from: Sister  Posted 16 September 2006 - 08:50 AM
“Naive”, Part 1

Linda sits quietly in a chair, gazing out the living room window. Danny has just left the room. Her shoulders begins to shake as a single tear slowly makes its way down her cheek, as her lips begin to tremble she hears the roar of Danny's truck as he drives away... Soon the single tear is joined by many others, etching her delicate features like stained glass. Clasping her hands together she falls to her knees and begins to pray... At the same time Linda is praying, Danny is seated in his office viewing a website for private jets.

* * * * *

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:   :D :D :D :D




edit- corrected typos, grammar, and added clarification
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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Nosir Myzing on July 02, 2010, 05:55:05 AM

Good point, princessdi. Even atheists can't be faulted for looking at Christians who claim the bible as the authority and don't follow it. If more did, we'd have less atheists as we want them to see that as their authority too being God's written word. A good example is the best witnessing tool there is.

I recently read in the desire of ages that the Pharisee with their self righteous attitudes were just as guided by demons as the Demoniac, but that the Demoniac was better off, as he knew he needed help and a Savior whereas the Pharisee didn't. That made me think...

I know, I meant to answer this the other day.  

Now, I know that the SDA church makes plenty money from the writings of EGW.  However, if they go around handing out the books and selling them to anyone who will take them, why do you think that only supporting SDA members can look to EGW as a spiritual authority?  The two can be mutually exclusive.  Isn't that the point to get as many people as possible to see her as a spiritual authority, and just just the decased founder of a cult?  Let's make up our minds here.....


I'm always amazed when persons, who don't support the SDA church, still try to use Ellen White as an authority figure to bash those who do. If they believe in her, why not follow her teachings, come back into the fold, and be a real Seventh-day Adventist?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 02, 2010, 05:56:21 AM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Concluded.

Quote

When Jesus related the story of the “Good Samaritan”, He did not ask who wanted to be the injured man’s neighbor, but who, with a heart overflowing with Christian compassion was unable to turn aside from a victim of violence, and in doing so became his neighbor.

Three men passed by a battered and naked victim who lay there, half dead, bleeding in the dust on the road to Jericho. It was hot and dusty as the travelers scurried quickly in their haste to make it to their destination. It was essential that they reach it before the darkness of night would blanket the road in silence, supplying evil men with a cloak to cover their crimes. The road that went down from Jerusalem to Jericho had a reputation for violent activity, it was actually called in those days “the bloody road”. A lone traveler often found himself at the mercy of unscrupulous gangs of thieves who were willing to separate him, not only from his possessions, but also from his life. It is against this well known backdrop that Jesus relates His story.

Three men were to come upon the evidence of pain and suffering. The first, a priest. Upon seeing the victim, he gathered up his robes and passed quickly by on the other side of the road. The second, a Levite, stopped. He came and looked, but he too, passed by on the other side of the road. A third man, a Samaritan, when he came upon the scene of the crime had compassion upon the victim. With no concern for himself or his personal safety, he knelt in the dust, cleaned the wounds of the victim and took care of him. After attending to this victim’s immediate needs, the Good Samaritan brought him to a haven of refuge ,where he could recover from his injuries. And when the Samaritan departed the next day he arranged for further care of the victim at his own expense.

At the end of the parable Jesus asks the following question, “So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?” And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

There were three good Samaritans who stopped on Linda’s “road to Jericho” and had compassion upon her, tended to her wounds and provided nurturing for her soul. In this minority of three, only two now remain. One is no longer here to share in Linda’s journey. Although she was struck down with cancer, Irmgard Thorvaldsson, brave and courageous woman of God, leaves a legacy of love in the hearts of those who survived her. Numbered among these is her “adopted daughter” Linda Shelton. The other two Samaritans, Irmgard’s husband, Johann and Dr.Arild Abrahamsen remain at Linda’s side. True friendships that will last through eternity, their fellowship is based upon a common faith in Jesus Christ and a desire to share His love and help other victims who have fallen as prey on their “road to Jericho”.



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 06:28:31 AM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Concluded.

Quote

When Jesus related the story of the “Good Samaritan”, He did not ask who wanted to be the injured man’s neighbor, but who, with a heart overflowing with Christian compassion was unable to turn aside from a victim of violence, and in doing so became his neighbor.

Three men passed by a battered and naked victim who lay there, half dead, bleeding in the dust on the road to Jericho. It was hot and dusty as the travelers scurried quickly in their haste to make it to their destination. It was essential that they reach it before the darkness of night would blanket the road in silence, supplying evil men with a cloak to cover their crimes. The road that went down from Jerusalem to Jericho had a reputation for violent activity, it was actually called in those days “the bloody road”. A lone traveler often found himself at the mercy of unscrupulous gangs of thieves who were willing to separate him, not only from his possessions, but also from his life. It is against this well known backdrop that Jesus relates His story.

Three men were to come upon the evidence of pain and suffering. The first, a priest. Upon seeing the victim, he gathered up his robes and passed quickly by on the other side of the road. The second, a Levite, stopped. He came and looked, but he too, passed by on the other side of the road. A third man, a Samaritan, when he came upon the scene of the crime had compassion upon the victim. With no concern for himself or his personal safety, he knelt in the dust, cleaned the wounds of the victim and took care of him. After attending to this victim’s immediate needs, the Good Samaritan brought him to a haven of refuge ,where he could recover from his injuries. And when the Samaritan departed the next day he arranged for further care of the victim at his own expense.

At the end of the parable Jesus asks the following question, “So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?” And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

There were three good Samaritans who stopped on Linda’s “road to Jericho” and had compassion upon her, tended to her wounds and provided nurturing for her soul. In this minority of three, only two now remain. One is no longer here to share in Linda’s journey. Although she was struck down with cancer, Irmgard Thorvaldsson, brave and courageous woman of God, leaves a legacy of love in the hearts of those who survived her. Numbered among these is her “adopted daughter” Linda Shelton. The other two Samaritans, Irmgard’s husband, Johann and Dr.Arild Abrahamsen remain at Linda’s side. True friendships that will last through eternity, their fellowship is based upon a common faith in Jesus Christ and a desire to share His love and help other victims who have fallen as prey on their “road to Jericho”.




Just a thought. The Thorvaldssons weren't on Linda's road, they weren't even on her continent. True, they got letters from her for the most part describing herself as bloody and battered and abused, and Johann interpreted all that any one else tried to say to him or explain to him according to Linda's version, and has decided all are liars except for her.

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Nosir Myzing on July 02, 2010, 06:44:21 AM
Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Concluded.

Quote

When Jesus related the story of the “Good Samaritan”, He did not ask who wanted to be the injured man’s neighbor, but who, with a heart overflowing with Christian compassion was unable to turn aside from a victim of violence, and in doing so became his neighbor.

Three men passed by a battered and naked victim who lay there, half dead, bleeding in the dust on the road to Jericho. It was hot and dusty as the travelers scurried quickly in their haste to make it to their destination. It was essential that they reach it before the darkness of night would blanket the road in silence, supplying evil men with a cloak to cover their crimes. The road that went down from Jerusalem to Jericho had a reputation for violent activity, it was actually called in those days “the bloody road”. A lone traveler often found himself at the mercy of unscrupulous gangs of thieves who were willing to separate him, not only from his possessions, but also from his life. It is against this well known backdrop that Jesus relates His story.

Three men were to come upon the evidence of pain and suffering. The first, a priest. Upon seeing the victim, he gathered up his robes and passed quickly by on the other side of the road. The second, a Levite, stopped. He came and looked, but he too, passed by on the other side of the road. A third man, a Samaritan, when he came upon the scene of the crime had compassion upon the victim. With no concern for himself or his personal safety, he knelt in the dust, cleaned the wounds of the victim and took care of him. After attending to this victim’s immediate needs, the Good Samaritan brought him to a haven of refuge ,where he could recover from his injuries. And when the Samaritan departed the next day he arranged for further care of the victim at his own expense.

At the end of the parable Jesus asks the following question, “So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?” And he said, “He who showed mercy on him.” Then Jesus said to him, “Go and do likewise.”

There were three good Samaritans who stopped on Linda’s “road to Jericho” and had compassion upon her, tended to her wounds and provided nurturing for her soul. In this minority of three, only two now remain. One is no longer here to share in Linda’s journey. Although she was struck down with cancer, Irmgard Thorvaldsson, brave and courageous woman of God, leaves a legacy of love in the hearts of those who survived her. Numbered among these is her “adopted daughter” Linda Shelton. The other two Samaritans, Irmgard’s husband, Johann and Dr.Arild Abrahamsen remain at Linda’s side. True friendships that will last through eternity, their fellowship is based upon a common faith in Jesus Christ and a desire to share His love and help other victims who have fallen as prey on their “road to Jericho”.




Just a thought. The Thorvaldssons weren't on Linda's road, they weren't even on her continent. True, they got letters from her for the most part describing herself as bloody and battered and abused, and Johann interpreted all that any one else tried to say to him or explain to him according to Linda's version, and has decided all are liars except for her.

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?

That reminds me. Johann's constant argument has always been that he knows Danny and all were lying because he and Irmgard were with Dr.Arild Abrahamsen, Easter of 2004, when Linda and Brenda were supposed to meet Dr Abrahamsen in his Florida Condo. The part that always has me confused about this is that all parties agree the trip was planned for that time, Linda herself says the Doctor invited her, and that she accepted, Linda herself said that Brenda came to her and said, Danny isn't happy, we should cancel the trip, Danny agrees it was cancelled when he found out, all parties agree it was cancelled for that time. So how does this prove to Johann that any one lied? Why should any of us take this as proof of anything as Johann presents it?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 02, 2010, 06:50:26 AM
Where you been Defender, The claim is that Linda did go by DS and Brenda bought the ticket. What's wrong with your perception. They argue all the ways she went without anyone knowing.
Here is the double talk again. You can't keep up with yourself.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 02, 2010, 06:58:47 AM

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?

Isn't this an amazing statement. Now you got the proof, where are they, how come you don't get them on here and give statements and their witness of your details. That should not be hard since your all in the local loco. All truth is waiting. Can you comply...I doubt it. Your not over the hump with TS!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 02, 2010, 07:03:45 AM
Johann,
Did you see I finally got it right this time on the quotes. I hope I can do it the next time too. (laugh)
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 07:05:45 AM
Where you been Defender, The claim is that Linda did go by DS and Brenda bought the ticket. What's wrong with your perception. They argue all the ways she went without anyone knowing.
Here is the double talk again. You can't keep up with yourself.

Tinka is confused and replying to the wrong person.

According to my understanding though, the claim was always that Linda took the trip at a later time as the first one planned with Brenda and the Doctor (easter week/spring vacation) had to be canceled when Danny found out.( Thus the Doctor was with Johann and his wife instead). The further claim was that Linda went later (that she was gone without explanation to Danny and job) but that while she was gone her mother called and left a message on the answering machine referring to a conversation she had with her, and to Linda being in Florida.

Do I have evidence to support this? No. My purpose in writing this is just to correct what Tinka wrote as it is incorrect.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 02, 2010, 07:10:52 AM
3d actually I am writing to you as I am counter acting your point with bringing that subject up. So now you bring in another point. so Linda went at a later date but the fact remains that the Dr. has proof that he was not there at that time as DS claims he was. right?

added correction, Yes your right as nosir myzing did post about that and I did not click on the right thing so very sorry for the mistake but the point still stands.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 07:25:59 AM
3d actually I am writing to you as I am counter acting your point with bringing that subject up. So now you bring in another point. so Linda went at a later date but the fact remains that the Dr. has proof that he was not there at that time as DS claims he was. right?

No, you are mistaken. The Doctor never offered proof he didn't meet Linda when Danny claimed he did. Arild Abrahamsen in his published letter does say he was with Johann and wife easter week 2004, so does Johann. It is Johann who offers that as an alibi, and proof of lying by Danny Shelton, but as both parties agree that the trip was planned but that no trip took place then, no alibi was, or is needed.

The issue really is, is it proper?

Tinka how do you think your husband would react if he found out you were going to Florida to spend time with your Doctor at his condo, after telling him you and a girlfriend were going for a working holiday there without mentioning that part?

edited to add in response to:
"added correction, Yes your right as nosir myzing did post about that and I did not click on the right thing so very sorry for the mistake but the point still stands."

Thank you, and No problem :)
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 07:45:43 AM

Chapter 2
An Inconvenient Truth
Continued...

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For Linda events eventually escalate from emotional and mental abuse to physical abuse. Although physical abuse is often thought of as an enraged husband beating his wife, there is one form of abuse that is far more devastating for its victim physically, emotionally and spiritually: when what was once the joys of the marriage bed become an abusive act. What was once an expression of mutual love between a devoted married couple becomes a forced act of non-mutual consent for the animal gratification of one partner forced upon an unwilling spouse.  When a husband who has told his wife he wants to get rid of her and she refuses his sexual advances, he then forces himself on her physically and states that it is his “right” until they are divorced, an act that was once consider a joy becomes little more than the most vile crime that can be committed against a woman. In the midst of all this harassment, built entirely upon fabricated “evidence”, Linda asks Danny the one question she can not answer for herself, “Why are you treating me like this?” He answers, “Because I want you to get out!” Shattered by the brutality of her husbands response, she turns and walks away, barely able to discern her direction, as the tears stream from her eyes.

Dr. Abrahamsen explains that despite a request from the 3ABN Board Chairman, Walt Thompson, for all contact between he and Linda to terminate immediately. After a few weeks he allows it to continue: “At one point I had a conversation with Walt Thompson, Chairman of the Board of 3ABN. He asked me to stop all communication with Linda. This had also been communicated to Johann and Irmgard Thorvaldsson and others. I told him that it was obviously Danny’s plan to isolate Linda from everyone at a time when she needed help. To me it was the Christian thing to answer her phone calls and the only humane thing to do for someone who was in crisis.”

“Considering the urgency of the situation I allowed the conversations to resume. Linda knew, with her high profile status, that confiding with local people regarding these issues would be very bad for the ministry. I had given counsel to people in difficulty in the past and felt I could be helpful from a distance in this situation. I encouraged Linda to fight for her marriage and ministry many times. This she really did, but she often had to leave her home to find refuge at her daughter's apartment in Springfield, even in the middle of the night because of Danny's behavior. At times like these she was afraid of him. She always returned to her home after a couple of days seeking to try to mend the marriage, but Danny would not allow this.”





Some of you people with human feelings and intelligence will understand what Linda had to suffer when Walt and Danny did all they could to cut off any communication between Linda and her friends, and this did not only apply to friends in Norway but just as much to friends in the United States of America. In spite of what false claims and rumors say about her travels, Linda did not go to Norway until after the divorce.Then my wife, Irmgard, and Linda went blueberry picking in the woods. I think most of that time was spent on a woman to woman talk rather than searching for berries.

I made a call to Walt and asked him if he'd make sure Danny would not hurt Linda physically. At that time the 3ABN staff was attending the ASI convention. Walt was so taken by the exaltation of 3ABN by the ASI people that he could easily dismiss the idea that Linda would be in any danger. When I drove Linda to the airport she was still in fear of what would happen on her return. Not without a reason.



Linda lived all her life in the U.S. Johann, as that is the case she had or should have had many friends here... She should have been able to get help here, so your post here causes questions.

You wrote:"When I drove Linda to the airport she was still in fear of what would happen on her return. Not without a reason."

What reason? and how do you know she had reason? And when was this, Johann? And you drove Linda to the airport? Why, where were she and you at? As you live in differnt parts of the world this is strange to me and new and causes questions.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 02, 2010, 08:37:27 AM
The interesting thing is that Danny had me fired from 3ABN (it was all right with me because I was retired already) because my testimony did not agree with his claims that the trip to Florida had not been canceled, but that Linda and Arild had gone there secretly.

This was also the claim even Nick Miller was trying to get me to admit when I had a meeting with him, Walt Thompson, and John Lomacang in West Frankfort the last Friday in May, 2004. So now that is being twisted like so many other things since then.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 02, 2010, 08:48:10 AM
Chapter 1
The Dream

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A light breeze gently rustles the curtain at the open window, allowing a beam of moonlight to penetrate the darkness, illuminating a child asleep in her bed. What at first glance appears a peaceful sight, upon closer inspection reveals a vastly different situation. In the moonlight’s glow it is apparent the child’s sleep is restless. Her copper curls are matted with sweat and a slight moan escapes from her delicate lips. A dream is troubling her sleep. A dream that twice before has snatched away the innocent rest of childhood. Her brow furrows as if pained by the images that are being indelibly etched upon her mind. Her body stiffens with terror and the sound of her own scream awakens her. Frightened and uncertain what is happening, she instinctively raises her arm to protect herself. This movement brings her hand into contact with a soft object. She clutches the stuffed animal that lay at her side, seeking comfort and protection from its familiar presence. Her pulse is still racing as she tries to catch her breath, her eyes searching for any available light.

Softly and gently, in sharp contrast to the pounding rhythm of her own heartbeats, a sweet melody begins to take shape in her mind. As it grows stronger, the furrows in her tiny brow relax and her breathing regains regularity. Soon her brave little voice is lifted up in challenge to the overwhelming images which had held her mind captive within the dream: “Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so. Little ones to Him belong, they are weak, but He is strong. Yes, Jesus loves me. Yes, Jesus loves me...” Comforted by the love of her Savior, six year old Linda falls into a deep and peaceful sleep, but the dream that woke her would never be forgotten. It would remain permanently engraved upon her memory. Although its significance would not become apparent for nearly forty years, the truth embedded within its imagery would drastically change Linda Shelton’s life.



Exhausted by the emotional strain of nearly four hours of verbal bombardment Linda covers her face with her hands, as if in doing so she could protect herself from the barrage of accusations her husband is hurling at her. Even with her eyes closed, she can feel the nearness of his presence as he moves in closer, just inches from her face. Suddenly the barrage begins again.  Dan’s words are firing off like rounds from a machine gun, “Admit it Linda, just admit that you committed adultery with the doctor!”“I know he mesmerized you!”  “Admit he is a devil.”“If you don’t, I’ll make sure you’ll loose your job!” For what seemed like an eternity, Danny continues his denunciations against Linda. Weary of the accusations, she looks up at him, shakes her head and says, “No, Dan. It’s not true.” “Believe me, nothing is happening between me and the Doctor, he only wants to help our son and help us.”

Seated quietly as a witness to this event is John Lomacang, their church pastor. In addition to his pastoral duties John is an employee of Three Angels Broadcasting Network. John, like a number of other witnesses/participants in this saga, holds a prominent position at 3ABN, which makes it impossible to be objective and remain an employee. Those, like John Lomacang,  who were willing to do what was requested of them found themselves rewarded for their “loyalty to the ministry”. Others who believed Linda and supported her testimony soon discovered,   refusing to compromise their integrity and fall in line with Danny would become a fast track for separation from the ministry.  Johann Thorvaldsson, director of European Development for 3ABN, would experience an aspect of Danny Shelton’s character that was carefully hidden from the viewers of 3ABN, but has been exposed to those who questioned his misrepresentations of  the “facts” about Linda and the reason for her separation from the ministry she co-founded.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 02, 2010, 09:12:36 AM


According to my understanding though, the claim was always that Linda took the trip at a later time as the first one planned with Brenda and the Doctor (easter week/spring vacation) had to be canceled when Danny found out.( Thus the Doctor was with Johann and his wife instead). The further claim was that Linda went later (that she was gone without explanation to Danny and job) but that while she was gone her mother called and left a message on the answering machine referring to a conversation she had with her, and to Linda being in Florida.

Do I have evidence to support this? No. My purpose in writing this is just to correct what Tinka wrote as it is incorrect.

Your understanding is very limited to say the least. Since you were not there I cannot expect more from you. I have tried to explain this so often, and yet the same twisted and false version is repeated again and again, as if by the repetition a falsehood becomes a reality.

It seems like the whole 3ABN gang multiply trivialities that have nothing to do with reality and shoot them like bullets at a concrete wall hoping to make a dent in people's understanding.

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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 02, 2010, 09:53:27 AM
Linda lived all her life in the U.S. Johann, as that is the case she had or should have had many friends here... She should have been able to get help here, so your post here causes questions.

Yes, she should have, and she had friends. 3ABN was the place. People there were threatened they'd be fired if they even talked to Linda.


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You wrote:"When I drove Linda to the airport she was still in fear of what would happen on her return. Not without a reason."

What reason? and how do you know she had reason? And when was this, Johann? And you drove Linda to the airport? Why, where were she and you at? As you live in differnt parts of the world this is strange to me and new and causes questions.

This all happened after the divorce when Danny was still haunting Linda. I took her to an airport in Norway as she was going back to USA. What is so strange about that.

Linda came to see us in Norway after the divorce. That is no secret. The trouble with you people is that someone has been telling you all this time that the visit took place before the divorce as if she was not free to travel at that time.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 02, 2010, 11:48:22 AM
I think the only point is that they remain Linda's friends throught it all. 

3D, I am just sorry, Linda was done wrong.  Danny, the board, and her Pastor at the time, JL were anywhere near right.  Even if they really thought LInda was doing wrong, it was up to them as the Christian network whose theme is "Mending Broken People/or Hearts" to do better and work toward the healing of everyone involved.  They did not do their level best to acheive that healing......for Linda.   


Just a thought. The Thorvaldssons weren't on Linda's road, they weren't even on her continent. True, they got letters from her for the most part describing herself as bloody and battered and abused, and Johann interpreted all that any one else tried to say to him or explain to him according to Linda's version, and has decided all are liars except for her.

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 02, 2010, 12:07:18 PM
Ok, it might have been so long ago that I don't remember that someone gave me the answer, but why come........sorry........how come there are so many people who are like 3D and Ian(my good friends, but I am jsut asking a question), who have no persona or first hand knowledge of this entire mess, come to dispute Johann's word for incidents he himself witnessed or even experienced, and/or heard directly from Linda regarding her own experiences.   Would it not make more sense for someone who is closer to the situation, more personally involved to dispute the events with Johann?  I'm just asking, I think it would go a long way toward credibility.  At least we could say that it was amatter of perspective, but this way, I have to go with Johann as he has more crediblity because of his personal involvement, which is not disputed by either side.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 04:47:43 PM


Johann the story has always been the same, theirs and yours.

You were not fired because of that. Obviously you could not represent and promote a ministry in Europe that you were at war with.


The interesting thing is that Danny had me fired from 3ABN (it was all right with me because I was retired already) because my testimony did not agree with his claims that the trip to Florida had not been canceled, but that Linda and Arild had gone there secretly.

This was also the claim even Nick Miller was trying to get me to admit when I had a meeting with him, Walt Thompson, and John Lomacang in West Frankfort the last Friday in May, 2004. So now that is being twisted like so many other things since then.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 04:53:43 PM
Ok, it might have been so long ago that I don't remember that someone gave me the answer, but why come........sorry........how come there are so many people who are like 3D and Ian(my good friends, but I am jsut asking a question), who have no persona or first hand knowledge of this entire mess, come to dispute Johann's word for incidents he himself witnessed or even experienced, and/or heard directly from Linda regarding her own experiences.   Would it not make more sense for someone who is closer to the situation, more personally involved to dispute the events with Johann?  I'm just asking, I think it would go a long way toward credibility.  At least we could say that it was amatter of perspective, but this way, I have to go with Johann as he has more crediblity because of his personal involvement, which is not disputed by either side.

Princessdi, it is disputed as the majority of the time Johann was not anywhere around.

1. He introduced the Doctor and Linda

2. He came by for a couple of hours or less during one day while Linda and Brenda were in Norway at the Doctors

3. He showed up at the 3abn camp meeting with the Doctor.

That's it. The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.

People who were there and were witnesses have tried to talk to Johann to no avail.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 02, 2010, 05:01:37 PM
Ok, it might have been so long ago that I don't remember that someone gave me the answer, but why come........sorry........how come there are so many people who are like 3D and Ian(my good friends, but I am jsut asking a question), who have no persona or first hand knowledge of this entire mess, come to dispute Johann's word for incidents he himself witnessed or even experienced, and/or heard directly from Linda regarding her own experiences.   Would it not make more sense for someone who is closer to the situation, more personally involved to dispute the events with Johann?  I'm just asking, I think it would go a long way toward credibility.  At least we could say that it was amatter of perspective, but this way, I have to go with Johann as he has more crediblity because of his personal involvement, which is not disputed by either side.

Princessdi, it is disputed as the majority of the time Johann was not anywhere around.

1. He introduced the Doctor and Linda

2. He came by for a couple of hours or less during one day while Linda and Brenda were in Norway at the Doctors

3. He showed up at the 3abn camp meeting with the Doctor.

That's it. The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.

People who were there and were witnesses have tried to talk to Johann to no avail.
Based on who's information, Danny's? Surely you have a better source of information than that 3D. Please tell me you do.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 05:02:42 PM
Linda Shelton's version:

Exhausted by the emotional strain of nearly four hours of verbal bombardment Linda covers her face with her hands, as if in doing so she could protect herself from the barrage of accusations her husband is hurling at her. Even with her eyes closed, she can feel the nearness of his presence as he moves in closer, just inches from her face. Suddenly the barrage begins again.  Dan’s words are firing off like rounds from a machine gun, “Admit it Linda, just admit that you committed adultery with the doctor!”“I know he mesmerized you!”  “Admit he is a devil.”“If you don’t, I’ll make sure you’ll loose your job!” For what seemed like an eternity, Danny continues his denunciations against Linda. Weary of the accusations, she looks up at him, shakes her head and says, “No, Dan. It’s not true.” “Believe me, nothing is happening between me and the Doctor, he only wants to help our son and help us.”

Seated quietly as a witness to this event is John Lomacang, their church pastor. In addition to his pastoral duties John is an employee of Three Angels Broadcasting Network. John, like a number of other witnesses/participants in this saga, holds a prominent position at 3ABN, which makes it impossible to be objective and remain an employee. Those, like John Lomacang,  who were willing to do what was requested of them found themselves rewarded for their “loyalty to the ministry”


Her Pastor's version:

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Thompsonville 7th Day Adventist Church 3577 Angel Lane * P.O. Box 23 Thompsonville, Illinois 62890 618-627-2999

January 14, 2006

Linda Shelton -private address removed-


Dear Linda,

Thank you for your speedy response to the letter the Church Board sent to you. I, was also pleased to speak to you when you called me Sabbath afternoon. I thought that our conversation went well and I listened to your observations hoping that we would be able to help you. I was somewhat surprised how soon you had Derrell Mundall hand deliver your reply letter to me at my office.

As I read it I was a bit disappointed to see that you expressed so little confidence in the church board, the church members, and in me. To incessantly suggest that the church is made of “compromised” members is quite short-sighted on your part. This board is not made of people bought by Danny Shelton. It is comprised of God-fearing Christians that understand all too well the great responsibility of making well informed decisions.

It is enlightening to see how you unceasingly, and relentlessly, attempted to dismiss your poor decision making by maligning others.

It was also quite manipulative on your part to imply that my “dreams of many years to be on TV” disqualified me as an objective pastor. Linda you may remember, it was at your urging that Danny called me to join the 3ABN family. At no time did I even call or suggest that I was interested in being on TV. Years before I even knew of 3ABN, Doug Batchelor and I were already on television; not to mention countless other times without Doug. It was on the heels of Net ‘99 in New York that I was invited to sing at 3ABN; prior to that I had not heard of 3ABN. The doors that opened at 3ABN were not opened by any dream on my part, of which there was none concerning 3ABN but by the hand of the Lord.As a matter of record you probably remember well when you said to me,”John, God brought you to St. Louis so that we could bring you the rest of the way.” To suggest that you will be not be able to receive fairness and impartiality is ludicrous.

Linda, as we look at the time-line of events you were the first one to call me and ask for counsel about your friendship with the doctor. It was after I arrived at your home that I heard the other side of the story. It was hearing both sides that led me to give you counsel to sever the relationship with the doctor from Norway. I made that decision as your pastor and as a marriage counselor with 16 years experience, not as a “back-pocket” servant of Danny Shelton.

It has been nearly two years since this escapade started and you will recall that from the very outset, that Tuesday night in your living room, when you made the decision not to sever your relationship with the doctor, you set the course that led you to where you are today. Linda, the decision to hold on to someone other than your husband in spite of the months of counseling, was a critical decision in furthering your downfall. To further compound the matter, you still held firmly to your course after the relentless pleading from your friends, confidants, pastors, 3ABN board members, and non-Adventist counselors to sever the relationship. One has to be quite short-sighted and uninformed to come to the conclusion that all of those people were ”compromised.”

You also mentioned that no one made an attempt to visit you and minister to you. Speaking for Angie and I, you may remember that when you made the decision to move to out of your home and go to Marion for ”more privacy,” we called you and asked if we could come and visit with you. You refused by saying that you were not ready and that you would let us know when you were ready for our visits. You never contacted us so we can only assume that you did not want a visit from us. Even when we saw you in the mall with Danny, we asked again about visiting and you said "I will tell you when.”

Many of the people that are still supporting your cause were not at ground zero. You continue to suggest that it was the subsequent decisions that other people made, rather than the initial one that you made that landed you where you are. One of the greatest evidences of hazardous decision-making on your part is the fact that you and the doctor are still in a relationship.

There was never a conspiracy to get rid of you and to refuse you a fair hearing. You were, and are greatly loved by many of the people at 3ABN and Thompsonville Seventh-day Adventist Church. However, love for someone and loyalty to them are not always the same. While we love you, we must be loyal to the truth and to the Lord. That is where we must be accountable.

God placed within your hands the responsibility of carrying a message to the world. It is unfortunate that you came to the place where your desires became more important than the responsibility placed on you through the message. Linda, God called you and the Bible says in Romans 11:29 ”For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” God called King Saul and God called David; both of these followers of God sinned. The difference between a ”king” and a ”shepherd boy” was clearly seen. Saul was too great to repent and turn to God and the record is clear concerning his fate. David, although his fall was great, turned to God with the heart of a repentant servant. For our admonition David’s prayer of repentance was preserved in Psalm 139:23,24 (KJV),”Search me, 0 God, and know my heart; Try me and know my thoughts and see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.”

I read your recent response letter to the church board dated October 31,2005, and I hope that the declaration that you made, ”Let it be known that I am innocent of the rumors and allegations made against me, ”is not written in stone. Linda, on this note you were correct, ”Man can remove job titles.” However let me caution you about the rest of your declaration, ”No man can take away my calling which I will continue to pursue.” Saul pursued a course that dishonored God and God removed him. On the other hand David repented and pursued a course that opened the way for God to restore him. The eternal question is one to deeply and prayerfully ponder. Which course will you pursue? David humbled himself under the Almighty Hand of God and was restored. In spite of the dark stain of David’s past the apostle Paul preached a message that recalls the fate of these two great men. He writes in Acts 13:21-22 (NKJV),”And afterward they asked for a king; so God gave them Saul the son of Kish, a man of the tribe of Benjamin, for forty years. (22) “And when He had removed him, He raised up for them David as king, to whom also He gave testimony and said, ’l have found David the son of Jesse, a man after My own heart, who will do all My will.”

Linda, from the first night that I sat before you in your living room I made a statement that has so far proven to be true. I said to you, ”Satan wants to destroy you, your ministry, your career, and your marriage. ”The results are evidence that to this day Satan has prevailed. I am hoping that he will not prevail in robbing you of your salvation. Just recently I read the chapter ”Why Was Sin and Suffering Permitted,” from the book, ”Patriarchs & Prophets.” I was deeply impressed again by what I read to further warn you that you are still on enchanted grounds and that the enemy is not done. Here are a few of the quotes that opened my eyes:

“The angels whom he could not bring fully to his side, he accused of indifference to the interests of heavenly beings. The very work which he himself was doing, he charged upon the loyal angels. It was his policy to perplex with subtle arguments concerning the purposes of God. Everything that was simple he shrouded in mystery, and by artful perversion cast doubt upon the plainest statements of Jehovah. And his high position, so closely connected with the divine government, gave greater force to his representation.

“He had artfully presented his side of the question, employing sophistry and fraud to secure his objects. His power to deceive was very great. By disguising himself in a cloak of falsehood, he had gained an advantage. All his acts were so clothed with mystery that it was difficult to disclose to the angels the true nature of his work. Until fully developed, it could not be made to appear the evil thing it was; his disaffection would not be seen to be rebellion. Even the loyal angels could not fully discern his character or see to what his work was leading.”

“Rejecting with disdain the arguments and entreaties of the loyal angels, he denounced them as deluded slaves. The preference shown to Christ he declared an act of injustice both to himself and to all the heavenly host, and announced that he would no longer submit to this invasion of his rights and theirs.”

Linda, I saw that because of your great influence Satan would come at you with great intensity. If you persist in holding to the self-deceiving position that you have done nothing wrong, you are preparing yourself for the completion of Satan’s plan, complete destruction. As long as you play the role of total innocence, you are a gullible prey..

That is why we prayed for you when you were in your post at 3ABN and we will still pray for you. Our deepest prayer is that you discover that greatness comes not from being served but serving. We pray for your supporters because they only know the side that you presented. Our prayer is that the Lord will bring softness to your heart to make you a servant. At the end of the day it must be seen that it is “Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the LORD of hosts. ”Zechariah 4:6 (NKJV).

Linda, God has not called us to be famous but to be faithful. I pray that you will respond to the Holy Spirit’s call to faithfulness.

We deeply regret that you have made the final decision to have your membership dropped from the church, but we do not have the right to refuse your written “formal request.”

The church chose censure rather than removal of membership because it was our desire to connect you with a Seventh-day Adventist church where you could find spiritual healing and recovery, not to cause you any further hardship. It is not our prayer that you pursue your calling; it is our prayer that you pursue the heart of God.

Your greatest blessing will come when you are restored to wholeness in the sight of God. God will richly bless you, not on account of whom you are, but on account of whom He is. Seek His kingdom and His righteousness and all that He has for you will be added.

Yours in Christ,
Pastor John Lomacang
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 02, 2010, 05:09:37 PM
So, 3D, why should we believe your spin about Johann? How would you know about why he was fired? Were you there? How do you know how often he and his wife were with Linda? Were you there? Have you ever lived on the 3ABN compound? Have you ever worked at 3ABN? Were you ever a member of the Thompsonville Church? Have you ever spoken to Danny or Linda personally?

3D said:

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The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.



Does that mean that you have no personal knowledge or experience with 3ABC, Danny or Linda Shelton? Then why are you claiming to know the truth? Johann traveled in Europe with Danny and Linda. Danny and Johann had extensive email correspondence. Have you?

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 02, 2010, 05:11:22 PM
So, 3D, why should we believe your spin about Johann? How would you know about why he was fired? Were you there? How do you know how often he and his wife were with Linda? Were you there? Have you ever lived on the 3ABN compound? Have you ever worked at 3ABN? Were you ever a member of the Thompsonville Church? Have you ever spoken to Danny or Linda personally?

3D said:

Quote

The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.



Does that mean that you have no personal knowledge or experience with 3ABC, Danny or Linda Shelton? Then why are you claiming to know the truth? Johann traveled in Europe with Danny and Linda. Danny and Johann had extensive email correspondence. Have you?


:goodpost:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 02, 2010, 05:16:27 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...



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During Danny’s recitation of his allegation against her the same thoughts continue to race through Linda’s mind: “How could this be happening to us?” “How could Dan say he loves me and then treat me this way?” “Why won’t he believe the truth?” A heavy sigh escapes from her lips, as a single tear trickles down her cheek. Again, she testifies of her innocence, but it apparently falls upon deaf ears. Looking into the faces of her accuser and his witness, it is as if her fate had already been sealed. Irregardless of the truth, a decision had been made and nothing she would say could alter the ultimate outcome.

What events lead up to this confrontation? How can the accounts of two individuals vary so dramatically? What are the facts and how can they be separated from false accusations, orchestrated lies and innuendo? Although so many  falsehoods and misrepresentations that have been paraded as facts, it is still possible to separate them from the truth by searching the available evidence. There are witnesses, paper trails and emails that were hidden from the court of public opinion through a “gag order” that insured Linda Shelton’s silence for over two years, but left her ex-husband the opportunity to misrepresent her actions and character to a data base of 180,000 3ABN donors.  In the final analysis, not only the facts will exonerate Linda, but as a professed Christian it is a matter of character and integrity that will separate the sheep from the wolves.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 05:39:32 PM
Ok, it might have been so long ago that I don't remember that someone gave me the answer, but why come........sorry........how come there are so many people who are like 3D and Ian(my good friends, but I am jsut asking a question), who have no persona or first hand knowledge of this entire mess, come to dispute Johann's word for incidents he himself witnessed or even experienced, and/or heard directly from Linda regarding her own experiences.   Would it not make more sense for someone who is closer to the situation, more personally involved to dispute the events with Johann?  I'm just asking, I think it would go a long way toward credibility.  At least we could say that it was amatter of perspective, but this way, I have to go with Johann as he has more crediblity because of his personal involvement, which is not disputed by either side.

Princessdi, it is disputed as the majority of the time Johann was not anywhere around.

1. He introduced the Doctor and Linda

2. He came by for a couple of hours or less during one day while Linda and Brenda were in Norway at the Doctors

3. He showed up at the 3abn camp meeting with the Doctor.

That's it. The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.

People who were there and were witnesses have tried to talk to Johann to no avail.
Based on who's information, Danny's? Surely you have a better source of information than that 3D. Please tell me you do.

One source is Johann himself. He posted all this himself, and discussed it with others in his posts. and he published the letters between himself and Danny shelton, and between himself and the Chairman of the 3abn board.

He was in constant communication with Linda, that's his source, and he judged all that everyone else said to him, such as Danny, Nick Miller, Dr T, Kay Kuzma etc etc etc, [Who were there with Linda and tried to tell him different] and pronounced all liars  all based on what Linda had told him,[from the other side of the world from him]. Read the letters and see for yourself , please. They aren't the only letters published online, together they tell the story.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 02, 2010, 05:48:48 PM
It is a good guess that a church board and group of members whose livelyhood is largely dependent on one of the parties in a dispute, will vote in favor of that party in a squabble of this nature. Protests to the contrary don't carry the weight of logic or reason. Pastor Lomacang's letter expresses ample outrage, but fails to refute the suspicion.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 05:52:28 PM
It is a good guess that a church board and group of members whose livelyhood is largely dependent on one of the parties in a dispute, will vote in favor of that party in a squabble of this nature. Protests to the contrary don't carry the weight of logic or reason. Pastor Lomacang's letter expresses ample outrage, but fails to refute the suspicion.

Well you have to say that George, next to Johann, you are Linda's right hand man.

I wonder if you would have the nerve to say the above to the members and Pastor of that church and actually look them in the eye when you said it? I somehow doubt it.

edited to add, If I remember correctly 3abn employees were a minority on the board at the time. Is that correct, George. I could ask someone else, but you should know, right?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 02, 2010, 06:00:25 PM
Ok, it might have been so long ago that I don't remember that someone gave me the answer, but why come........sorry........how come there are so many people who are like 3D and Ian(my good friends, but I am jsut asking a question), who have no persona or first hand knowledge of this entire mess, come to dispute Johann's word for incidents he himself witnessed or even experienced, and/or heard directly from Linda regarding her own experiences.   Would it not make more sense for someone who is closer to the situation, more personally involved to dispute the events with Johann?  I'm just asking, I think it would go a long way toward credibility.  At least we could say that it was amatter of perspective, but this way, I have to go with Johann as he has more crediblity because of his personal involvement, which is not disputed by either side.

Princessdi, it is disputed as the majority of the time Johann was not anywhere around.

1. He introduced the Doctor and Linda

2. He came by for a couple of hours or less during one day while Linda and Brenda were in Norway at the Doctors

3. He showed up at the 3abn camp meeting with the Doctor.

That's it. The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.

People who were there and were witnesses have tried to talk to Johann to no avail.
Based on who's information, Danny's? Surely you have a better source of information than that 3D. Please tell me you do.

One source is Johann himself. He posted all this himself, and discussed it with others in his posts. and he published the letters between himself and Danny shelton, and between himself and the Chairman of the 3abn board.

He was in constant communication with Linda, that's his source, and he judged all that everyone else said to him, such as Danny, Nick Miller, Dr T, Kay Kuzma etc etc etc, [Who were there with Linda and tried to tell him different] and pronounced all liars  all based on what Linda had told him,[from the other side of the world from him]. Read the letters and see for yourself , please. They aren't the only letters published online, together they tell the story.
3D, do you know where I could find these letters? I would like to see them. Thank You.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 02, 2010, 06:00:58 PM

3D, are you ignoring my questions:



So, 3D, why should we believe your spin about Johann? How would you know about why he was fired? Were you there? How do you know how often he and his wife were with Linda? Were you there? Have you ever lived on the 3ABN compound? Have you ever worked at 3ABN? Were you ever a member of the Thompsonville Church? Have you ever spoken to Danny or Linda personally?
3D said:

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The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.


 

   Does that mean that you have no personal knowledge or experience with 3ABC, Danny or Linda Shelton? Then why are you claiming to know the truth? Johann traveled in Europe with Danny and Linda. Danny and Johann had extensive email correspondence. Have you?


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on July 02, 2010, 06:05:08 PM
I have been out sick, so I have a few things:
 3ABN-to reiterate- were you there when Johann was fired?
 :usa:
Please don't compare the Animals with the Sheltons :dogwag: The Animals are better than them :purr:

The idea of church being a club- my husband has always said that and he isn't a Christian. That's sad isn't it? Man makes loving God so hard. Jesus Christ made His Way so easy. Ask Him for forgiveness, love Him with all you heart, soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.  Boy if, we spend our time doing that, we don't have much time for anything else. :ROFL:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 02, 2010, 06:05:52 PM
Ok, it might have been so long ago that I don't remember that someone gave me the answer, but why come........sorry........how come there are so many people who are like 3D and Ian(my good friends, but I am jsut asking a question), who have no persona or first hand knowledge of this entire mess, come to dispute Johann's word for incidents he himself witnessed or even experienced, and/or heard directly from Linda regarding her own experiences.   Would it not make more sense for someone who is closer to the situation, more personally involved to dispute the events with Johann?  I'm just asking, I think it would go a long way toward credibility.  At least we could say that it was amatter of perspective, but this way, I have to go with Johann as he has more crediblity because of his personal involvement, which is not disputed by either side.

Princessdi, it is disputed as the majority of the time Johann was not anywhere around.

1. He introduced the Doctor and Linda

2. He came by for a couple of hours or less during one day while Linda and Brenda were in Norway at the Doctors

3. He showed up at the 3abn camp meeting with the Doctor.

That's it. The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.

People who were there and were witnesses have tried to talk to Johann to no avail.
Based on who's information, Danny's? Surely you have a better source of information than that 3D. Please tell me you do.

One source is Johann himself. He posted all this himself, and discussed it with others in his posts. and he published the letters between himself and Danny shelton, and between himself and the Chairman of the 3abn board.

He was in constant communication with Linda, that's his source, and he judged all that everyone else said to him, such as Danny, Nick Miller, Dr T, Kay Kuzma etc etc etc, [Who were there with Linda and tried to tell him different] and pronounced all liars  all based on what Linda had told him,[from the other side of the world from him]. Read the letters and see for yourself , please. They aren't the only letters published online, together they tell the story.
3D, do you know where I could find these letters? I would like to see them. Thank You.

Most of them were on Blacksda. I could find them but they are buried in discussions, so it might take some time. This blog does have some letters but no letters from or to Johann I don't think:
http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/lss-chosen-representatives.html

I'll try and find you the links to the others , but it will probably be after Sabbath before I can get back to you.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 02, 2010, 06:08:01 PM
Ok, it might have been so long ago that I don't remember that someone gave me the answer, but why come........sorry........how come there are so many people who are like 3D and Ian(my good friends, but I am jsut asking a question), who have no persona or first hand knowledge of this entire mess, come to dispute Johann's word for incidents he himself witnessed or even experienced, and/or heard directly from Linda regarding her own experiences.   Would it not make more sense for someone who is closer to the situation, more personally involved to dispute the events with Johann?  I'm just asking, I think it would go a long way toward credibility.  At least we could say that it was amatter of perspective, but this way, I have to go with Johann as he has more crediblity because of his personal involvement, which is not disputed by either side.

Princessdi, it is disputed as the majority of the time Johann was not anywhere around.

1. He introduced the Doctor and Linda

2. He came by for a couple of hours or less during one day while Linda and Brenda were in Norway at the Doctors

3. He showed up at the 3abn camp meeting with the Doctor.

That's it. The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.

People who were there and were witnesses have tried to talk to Johann to no avail.
Based on who's information, Danny's? Surely you have a better source of information than that 3D. Please tell me you do.

One source is Johann himself. He posted all this himself, and discussed it with others in his posts. and he published the letters between himself and Danny shelton, and between himself and the Chairman of the 3abn board.

He was in constant communication with Linda, that's his source, and he judged all that everyone else said to him, such as Danny, Nick Miller, Dr T, Kay Kuzma etc etc etc, [Who were there with Linda and tried to tell him different] and pronounced all liars  all based on what Linda had told him,[from the other side of the world from him]. Read the letters and see for yourself , please. They aren't the only letters published online, together they tell the story.
3D, do you know where I could find these letters? I would like to see them. Thank You.

Most of them were on Blacksda. I could find them but they are buried in discussions, so it might take some time. This blog does have some letters but no letters from or to Johann I don't think:
http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/lss-chosen-representatives.html

I'll try and find you the links to the others , but it will probably be after Sabbath before I can get back to you.
Again, thank you. I appreciate that.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 02, 2010, 06:33:45 PM

3D, you are still ignoring my questions.


3D, are you ignoring my questions:



So, 3D, why should we believe your spin about Johann? How would you know about why he was fired? Were you there? How do you know how often he and his wife were with Linda? Were you there? Have you ever lived on the 3ABN compound? Have you ever worked at 3ABN? Were you ever a member of the Thompsonville Church? Have you ever spoken to Danny or Linda personally?
3D said:

Quote

The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.


 

   Does that mean that you have no personal knowledge or experience with 3ABC, Danny or Linda Shelton? Then why are you claiming to know the truth? Johann traveled in Europe with Danny and Linda. Danny and Johann had extensive email correspondence. Have you?


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: GRAT on July 02, 2010, 07:12:05 PM
3-D is really good at ignoring questions.  I have asked her about 4 times to answer a question of mine and she just ignores it and spins off, or tries to make a person feel that they are a nothing in the world and he/she is the teller of all truth.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gregory on July 02, 2010, 07:52:03 PM
John Lomacang said:
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As I read it I was a bit disappointed to see that you expressed so little confidence in the church board, the church members, and in me. To incessantly suggest that the church is made of “compromised” members is quite short-sighted on your part. This board is not made of people bought by Danny Shelton. It is comprised of God-fearing Christians that understand all too well the great responsibility of making well informed decisions.

Elder Lomacang appears to have missed the fundamental issue in his response to Linda.

The issue here is an ethical one and it is not revelant whether or not he and/or the Chruch Board/Church Members would have treated Linda fairly and objectively.  They might have  and they might not have.  Linda did not phrase it in the professional language that she might have used.  Elder L. simply ignored the fundamental issues.  Perhaps it was because he did not understand them.  Linda had a right to be concerned and to raise those issues.  Elder Lomacang should have worked with her to satisfactorly resolve them.   Linda deserved something better.  It was that unwillingness to attempt to resolve the issues that led her to request that her membership be dropped from the rolls of that church.

It should be noted that immedately after her membership was dropped, she was accepted into membership in a SDA chruch in another Conference.  Linda was not leaveing the SDA CHruch.  She simply left the local congregation and justifiably so.




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 02, 2010, 08:10:47 PM
I have a few questions that maybe you, Gregory, can answer, please.

1. Is Linda Shelton actively involved in the SDA church as of now?

2. Was there any type of acts by 3ABN or any of it's people to keep Linda from joining another church?

3. Also, I read somewhere that Pastor Stanton was sent to a church that Linda was attending after her dismissal at 3ABN.  Was this an attempt to get her to leave that church?

Just a few questions I had.
John Lomacang said:
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As I read it I was a bit disappointed to see that you expressed so little confidence in the church board, the church members, and in me. To incessantly suggest that the church is made of “compromised” members is quite short-sighted on your part. This board is not made of people bought by Danny Shelton. It is comprised of God-fearing Christians that understand all too well the great responsibility of making well informed decisions.

Elder Lomacang appears to have missed the fundamental issue in his response to Linda.

The issue here is an ethical one and it is not revelant whether or not he and/or the Chruch Board/Church Members would have treated Linda fairly and objectively.  They might have  and they might not have.  Linda did not phrase it in the professional language that she might have used.  Elder L. simply ignored the fundamental issues.  Perhaps it was because he did not understand them.  Linda had a right to be concerned and to raise those issues.  Elder Lomacang should have worked with her to satisfactorly resolve them.   Linda deserved something better.  It was that unwillingness to attempt to resolve the issues that led her to request that her membership be dropped from the rolls of that church.

It should be noted that immedately after her membership was dropped, she was accepted into membership in a SDA chruch in another Conference.  Linda was not leaveing the SDA CHruch.  She simply left the local congregation and justifiably so.





Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gregory on July 02, 2010, 08:29:39 PM
ST Asked:
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I have a few questions that maybe you, Gregory, can answer, please.

1. Is Linda Shelton actively involved in the SDA church as of now?

2. Was there any type of acts by 3ABN or any of it's people to keep Linda from joining another church?

3. Also, I read somewhere that Pastor Stanton was sent to a church that Linda was attending after her dismissal at 3ABN.  Was this an attempt to get her to leave that church?


1) I have not been in contact with Linda for some time.  However, due to the extensive time period in which I was in contact with her I think that I can truthfylly say that Linda is presently actively involved in a SDA Congregation.

2) Linda was immediately accepted into membership of a SDA  Church in another Conference.  I do not believe that there would have been time for anybody to keep her from joining that Church.  I believe it happoened without the knowledge of anyone at 3-ABN or of anyone in her former chruch.  The Church that Linda joind did not need to contact her former Church as Linda came to it with recomendations which evidently were satisfactory to the congregation that she joined.

3)  I am not going to comment on this as I do not believe that I have a factual basis for comment.  Much of the discussion on this is simply speculaton.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 02, 2010, 08:32:06 PM
As always, thank you, Gregory.
ST Asked:
Quote
I have a few questions that maybe you, Gregory, can answer, please.

1. Is Linda Shelton actively involved in the SDA church as of now?

2. Was there any type of acts by 3ABN or any of it's people to keep Linda from joining another church?

3. Also, I read somewhere that Pastor Stanton was sent to a church that Linda was attending after her dismissal at 3ABN.  Was this an attempt to get her to leave that church?


1) I have not been in contact with Linda for some time.  However, due to the extensive time period in which I was in contact with her I think that I can truthfylly say that Linda is presently actively involved in a SDA Congregation.

2) Linda was immediately accepted into membership of a SDA  Church in another Conference.  I do not believe that there would have been time for anybody to keep her from joining that Church.  I believe it happoened without the knowledge of anyone at 3-ABN or of anyone in her former chruch.  The Church that Linda joind did not need to contact her former Church as Linda came to it with recomendations which evidently were satisfactory to the congregation that she joined.

3)  I am not going to comment on this as I do not believe that I have a factual basis for comment.  Much of the discussion on this is simply speculaton.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 02, 2010, 09:58:13 PM
When a guy runs out of substance in the debate he is left no alternative but to try getting personal with the one he is debating. "Well, you have to say that..." Lol. Thats alright 3D, I still like you. I would have no problem telling you straight up if I were Linda's second right hand man, but I have my life and she has hers, and they don't seem to intersect in the manner you seem to wish they did. However, she deserves friends as much as any other person in spite of some cultish types who seem to think otherwise. It is a traditionally cultish thing to try isolating those who have fallen from grace, and attacking their friends for being friends. I sincerely hope that never happens to you 3D.

You might be surprised at the look-em-in-the-eye conversations that have taken place. Also, a reasonable person might wonder if even though some of the 3ABN Church board members were not 3ABN employees, were their spouses? Or other family members?

It is a good guess that a church board and group of members whose livelyhood is largely dependent on one of the parties in a dispute, will vote in favor of that party in a squabble of this nature. Protests to the contrary don't carry the weight of logic or reason. Pastor Lomacang's letter expresses ample outrage, but fails to refute the suspicion.

Well you have to say that George, next to Johann, you are Linda's right hand man.

I wonder if you would have the nerve to say the above to the members and Pastor of that church and actually look them in the eye when you said it? I somehow doubt it.

edited to add, If I remember correctly 3abn employees were a minority on the board at the time. Is that correct, George. I could ask someone else, but you should know, right?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 03, 2010, 01:44:42 PM

 You refused by saying that you were not ready and that you would let us know when you were ready for our visits. You never contacted us so we can only assume that you did not want a visit from us. Even when we saw you in the mall with Danny,

corrected as I hit wrong button before I posted.

This statement might show that Linda would only meet Danny at Mall because she did fear. Otherwise why meet there?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 03, 2010, 03:40:54 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...


Quote

Within the life of every true follower of Jesus Christ there is a transformation of character that takes place: “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold all things have become new.” Through this spiritual new birth, a process of moral and ethical changes takes place within the character of an individual who unites his life with Christ. When this process fails on the part of the professed believer and the connection between he and Christ is no longer maintained, moral and ethical accountability often become an unnecessary restraint that is easily severed. Although the internal changes are not always evident, even to those that have a close relationship with the fallen man or woman, the process of moral disintegration has begun. Throughout this process the Holy Spirit continues to woo the unfaithful “believer”, but God will not force the renewal of their relationship, though He will faithfully continue to seek out His beloved child who has wandered away from His protection.

When a child grows up in a dysfunctional environment his understanding of this process of “new birth” and spiritual growth may become greatly distorted. Without a clear understanding, he can grow into manhood with a warped spiritual condition: an outward form of religion without the personal accountability which is normally developed through a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Within the context of this misrepresentation of the Christian experience, an individual can continue in a secret life of moral corruption—which would be not only unacceptable, but even heinous within mainstream Christianity—while still publically professing Christianity and even leading out in ministry. This condition is based upon a paradigm where the concession is made “...that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world, but at the same time they hold themselves away from Him, and fail to repent of their sins, fail to accept of Jesus as their personal Savior. Their faith is simply the assent of the mind and judgment to the truth; but the truth is not brought into the heart, that it might sanctify the soul and transform the character...”

Without the transforming power of a personal relationship with Christ, without the sanctifying influence gained through prayer, Bible study, the application of Biblical principles within the life of an individual and the restraint of the Holy Spirit—the result can be a wolf in sheep’s clothing, peacefully grazing  among the lambs. Although he has been fully accepted into the flock, in truth he is an imposter. Without a conscience under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, he opens his mind to the influence of Satan. This errant individual lives his life to satisfy his own desires and willing indulges them. Although he may profess his loyalty to God and dedicate his life to ministry, his first desire is to indulge his own pleasures. Given time, opportunity and lack of accountability he may become a law onto himself. Ultimately, even convincing himself that he is above the Law of God and “the means always justify the results” he is seeking. It is within a framework such as this that the saga of Linda’s “fall from grace” is fabricated.



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 03, 2010, 11:51:49 PM
3D, I went over to BlackSDA, and looked around, but didn't find what I was looking for. It is possible I was looking in the wrong area. 
Ok, it might have been so long ago that I don't remember that someone gave me the answer, but why come........sorry........how come there are so many people who are like 3D and Ian(my good friends, but I am jsut asking a question), who have no persona or first hand knowledge of this entire mess, come to dispute Johann's word for incidents he himself witnessed or even experienced, and/or heard directly from Linda regarding her own experiences.   Would it not make more sense for someone who is closer to the situation, more personally involved to dispute the events with Johann?  I'm just asking, I think it would go a long way toward credibility.  At least we could say that it was amatter of perspective, but this way, I have to go with Johann as he has more crediblity because of his personal involvement, which is not disputed by either side.

Princessdi, it is disputed as the majority of the time Johann was not anywhere around.

1. He introduced the Doctor and Linda

2. He came by for a couple of hours or less during one day while Linda and Brenda were in Norway at the Doctors

3. He showed up at the 3abn camp meeting with the Doctor.

That's it. The rest is what he heard secondhand.

Which is no different then the rest of us.

People who were there and were witnesses have tried to talk to Johann to no avail.
Based on who's information, Danny's? Surely you have a better source of information than that 3D. Please tell me you do.

One source is Johann himself. He posted all this himself, and discussed it with others in his posts. and he published the letters between himself and Danny shelton, and between himself and the Chairman of the 3abn board.

He was in constant communication with Linda, that's his source, and he judged all that everyone else said to him, such as Danny, Nick Miller, Dr T, Kay Kuzma etc etc etc, [Who were there with Linda and tried to tell him different] and pronounced all liars  all based on what Linda had told him,[from the other side of the world from him]. Read the letters and see for yourself , please. They aren't the only letters published online, together they tell the story.
3D, do you know where I could find these letters? I would like to see them. Thank You.

Most of them were on Blacksda. I could find them but they are buried in discussions, so it might take some time. This blog does have some letters but no letters from or to Johann I don't think:
http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/lss-chosen-representatives.html

I'll try and find you the links to the others , but it will probably be after Sabbath before I can get back to you.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 04, 2010, 07:25:14 AM
The Dream
Chapter 1
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How could the situation between Danny and Linda escalate so quickly? In a period of less than four months how could it so swiftly proceed from the first accusations of “Spiritual Adultery”, through the pubic humiliation of Linda, and culminate with a divorce decree between Linda and Danny Shelton in June, 2004? How could Danny publically proclaim his continued love and desire for reconciliation with his wife, while simultaneously eradicating every trace of Linda from their ministry and seeking a “quickie divorce” in Guam?

Apparently a significant dichotomy exists between the public pronouncements and the hidden motives. Is it possible to reconcile these opposing  paradigms? As the Apostle James so wisely observed: “Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grape vine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.” In light of Scripture it would appear impossible for the President of a Christian ministry, devoted to the task of “mending broken people”, to so easily dispose of his wife of nineteen years.



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 04, 2010, 08:23:48 AM
Princessdi, it is disputed as the majority of the time Johann was not anywhere around.
How did you know that I ceased to exist? Hibernating somewhere?
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1. He introduced the Doctor and Linda
Where? How? Where you there since you make such a point of it?
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2. He came by for a couple of hours or less during one day while Linda and Brenda were in Norway at the Doctors
So? According to whose watch?
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3. He showed up at the 3abn camp meeting with the Doctor.

That's it. The rest is what he heard secondhand.
So all the e-mail from Danny Shelton was mere secondhand trash? That is an interesting way of looking at it.
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Which is no different then the rest of us.
Quite sure that you were just as involved as I was? Who are you then?
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He was in constant communication with Linda, that's his source, and he judged all that everyone else said to him, such as Danny, Nick Miller, Dr T, Kay Kuzma etc etc etc, [Who were there with Linda and tried to tell him different] and pronounced all liars  all based on what Linda had told him,[from the other side of the world from him]. Read the letters and see for yourself , please. They aren't the only letters published online, together they tell the story.

Just came back home from a trip where I did not bring my laptop along.

All I'll say at this time is that I was probably more that 70 times more in correspondence with a certain Mr. Danny Shelton of 3ABN during the time when he contemplated divorcing his wife than the contact I had with her. It was this Danny Shelton, the president of 3ABN, who convinced that he was not doing the right thing, and that he was attempting to mislead people into believing that he had the full right to marry another woman as soon as he could get rid of Linda.

Yes, Danny asked me to delete the emails he has written to me when he realized he had revealed his grave mistakes to me. He also admitted that those emails would give people the evidence needed against him.

All that nonsense about Linda being my only source is very amusing to me, and show me, beyond the shadow of a doubt, how the minds of people are masterminded to believe the false stories . . .

All these fake claims about distance sounds as if certain people are still living in the 17th century when all communication between continents was done by boat mail taking up to two weeks in each direction. I can assure you that the hundred some posts I received from Danny Shelton came to me instantly by e-mail without anyone else at 3ABN having any idea of what was going on.

I'd like to know who tried to talk to me to no avail.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 04, 2010, 02:08:24 PM
Johann,
I am pleased to find that my very thoughts of your honesty prevails. I knew that you would not say or imply unless you had it down pat.  There is not too many times that in my later years am I wrong to discern ones character. When younger I learned many lessons the hard way as you know. I am thinking that it won't be to long before the "sympathizers and protector will feel the "earthquake" in their shoes.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 04, 2010, 05:03:42 PM

The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...

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Where is the division between truth and misrepresentation? To answer that question we begin with an outline of the final months before Linda was fired from 3ABN and the dissolution of her marriage to Danny Shelton, then search for the evidence buried within the events. Briefly outlined, in chronological order, major events occurred as follows:

• During September, 2003, Danny and Linda visit Denmark and Sweden. Linda gets further acquainted with Johann (Director of European Development for 3ABN) and Irmgard Thorvaldsson. One week later Johann contacts Linda about Irmgard’s diagnosis of bone cancer.
• November, 2003, Johann and Irmgard Thorvaldsson arrive at 3ABN, by Linda’s invitation, to seek possible alternative health treatments for Irmgard.
• In the last week of December, while already in the USA for a medical convention, Dr. Arild Abrahamsen comes to 3ABN to visit his patient Irmgard Thorvaldsson and to check on the medical care she is receiving. At the same time he is introduced to Linda’s son, Nathan, and invites him to come to his clinic in Norway for treatment.
• In the second half of January Nathan, accompanied by his girlfriend, go to Dr. Abrahamsen’s Clinic in Norway, after ten days Nathan’s girlfriend returns home because of employment obligations.
• February 1-6, Linda goes to Dr. Abrahamsen’s Clinic in Norway to provide moral support for her son. Her husband, Danny Shelton, is unwilling to accompany her and chooses to remain in Illinois. Instead Linda is joined by her best lady friend, Brenda Walsh, for the trip.
• Uncomfortable with the isolation of the Norwegian Clinic, Nathan leaves before his treatment for drug addiction and lung problems, caused from working in the coal mines, is completed and returns home in the midst of February, 2004. Although he did not finish the course of treatments he is already showing marked improvement.
• Concerned for her son’s welfare Linda remains in contact with Dr. Abrahamsen after Nathan’s return to Illinois. She also seeks his counsel, as a Christian physician, in regard to Danny’s escalating abnormal behavior.
• The morning of March 8, 2004, Danny threatens to get Linda fired from 3ABN if she continues to have any further contact with Doctor Abrahamsen and for the first time he brings up divorce as a solution. Danny makes the groundless claim that the Doctor’s reason for coming to 3ABN was to steal Linda away from him.
• Danny and Linda meet with Pastor John Lomacang on March 9. Danny mentions divorce in the presence of their pastor.
• Between March 20 and 26, Brenda Walsh has an alleged “demon experience” in which the demon admonishes her to give her falsified testimony against Linda and Dr. Abrahamsen. (If this experience took place, why would a self-professed Christian follow the instructions of a  demon.)
• On March 28, Danny contacts Dr. Walter Thompson, chairman of the 3ABN Board, in regard to his accusations against Linda.
• False rumors of “an affair” are circulated in the churches and spreading quickly in April, 2004
• Linda is suspended from her job at 3ABN during the months of April and May. From that time on she was not allowed to be in the 3ABN compound unescorted, her computer was confiscated and employees were instructed not to speak with her.
• Linda and Danny go to Kansas City, Missouri, to receive marriage counseling; at which time Danny “encourages” the counselors with a large donation to their ministry. 
• Near the end of April instructions were given to the 3ABN production department for the removal of all programming that included Linda, with a completion date of June 1, 2004.
• On May 4 a non-negotiable ultimatum was given by Dr. Thompson, chairman of the Board: “You will be relieved of all duties at 3ABN and will not appear at 3ABN for thirty days. You will arrange to leave Southern Illinois at 3ABN expense for the duration.” Linda was given 24 hours to respond to this request. Dr. Thompson tells Linda to consider him as speaking for the Board. (When Dr. Thompson tells Linda to leave Southern Illinois for thirty days beginning on May 4, this insures that Linda would not be present for the next board meeting on May 30.)
• During the month of May the flagship program of 3ABN, 3ABN Presents, featuring Linda and Danny as presenters, was ended and production of a new program, 3ABN Today, without Linda, was produced to air in it’s place.
• May 27, Johann Thorvaldsson and Dr. Abrahamsen attend the 3ABN Spring camp meeting, knowing the Board will meet on May 30, their intent is to testify on behalf of Linda and to clear the false charges made against Dr. Abrahamsen by Danny Shelton. Danny had earlier extended an invitation to Dr. Abrahamsen to speak to the Board.
• Linda was told by Danny not to attend the 3ABN camp meeting and was in Springfield, Illinois at the home of her daughter.
• In the evening of May 27 Johann Thorvaldsson, still an employee of 3ABN, and Dr. Abrahamsen are escorted from the 3ABN grounds, on the authority of Danny Shelton. They are told not to return to Thompsonville or they will be arrested.
• Linda was removed from her positions as Vice President, Secretary and 3ABN Board member by a vote of the 3ABN Board on May 30, 2004.
• Linda and Danny Shelton separated on June 1, 2004. Linda left her home because she no longer felt welcome there and was afraid for her physical safety, if she remained with Danny.
• A letter was received in June, 2004, notifying Linda that she had been fired from 3ABN.
• On June 4, Linda signed a separation agreement between herself and 3ABN, this effectively placed her in the position of being under a “gag order” until 2007.
• June 21, Linda was notified their Guam divorce, for which Danny had filed, was final.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 04, 2010, 05:40:22 PM
The time frame on these scene of events are quite unique to say the least. Linda is accused of being unfaithful to her husband, and four months later Danny files for a divorce. And some of the defenders are trying to say that this wasn't a set up? I don't understand how all of these events transpired in a four month period. Seems odd, but that is just me.

The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...

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Where is the division between truth and misrepresentation? To answer that question we begin with an outline of the final months before Linda was fired from 3ABN and the dissolution of her marriage to Danny Shelton, then search for the evidence buried within the events. Briefly outlined, in chronological order, major events occurred as follows:

• During September, 2003, Danny and Linda visit Denmark and Sweden. Linda gets further acquainted with Johann (Director of European Development for 3ABN) and Irmgard Thorvaldsson. One week later Johann contacts Linda about Irmgard’s diagnosis of bone cancer.
• November, 2003, Johann and Irmgard Thorvaldsson arrive at 3ABN, by Linda’s invitation, to seek possible alternative health treatments for Irmgard.
• In the last week of December, while already in the USA for a medical convention, Dr. Arild Abrahamsen comes to 3ABN to visit his patient Irmgard Thorvaldsson and to check on the medical care she is receiving. At the same time he is introduced to Linda’s son, Nathan, and invites him to come to his clinic in Norway for treatment.
• In the second half of January Nathan, accompanied by his girlfriend, go to Dr. Abrahamsen’s Clinic in Norway, after ten days Nathan’s girlfriend returns home because of employment obligations.
• February 1-6, Linda goes to Dr. Abrahamsen’s Clinic in Norway to provide moral support for her son. Her husband, Danny Shelton, is unwilling to accompany her and chooses to remain in Illinois. Instead Linda is joined by her best lady friend, Brenda Walsh, for the trip.
• Uncomfortable with the isolation of the Norwegian Clinic, Nathan leaves before his treatment for drug addiction and lung problems, caused from working in the coal mines, is completed and returns home in the midst of February, 2004. Although he did not finish the course of treatments he is already showing marked improvement.
• Concerned for her son’s welfare Linda remains in contact with Dr. Abrahamsen after Nathan’s return to Illinois. She also seeks his counsel, as a Christian physician, in regard to Danny’s escalating abnormal behavior.
• The morning of March 8, 2004, Danny threatens to get Linda fired from 3ABN if she continues to have any further contact with Doctor Abrahamsen and for the first time he brings up divorce as a solution. Danny makes the groundless claim that the Doctor’s reason for coming to 3ABN was to steal Linda away from him.
• Danny and Linda meet with Pastor John Lomacang on March 9. Danny mentions divorce in the presence of their pastor.
• Between March 20 and 26, Brenda Walsh has an alleged “demon experience” in which the demon admonishes her to give her falsified testimony against Linda and Dr. Abrahamsen. (If this experience took place, why would a self-professed Christian follow the instructions of a  demon.)
• On March 28, Danny contacts Dr. Walter Thompson, chairman of the 3ABN Board, in regard to his accusations against Linda.
• False rumors of “an affair” are circulated in the churches and spreading quickly in April, 2004
• Linda is suspended from her job at 3ABN during the months of April and May. From that time on she was not allowed to be in the 3ABN compound unescorted, her computer was confiscated and employees were instructed not to speak with her.
• Linda and Danny go to Kansas City, Missouri, to receive marriage counseling; at which time Danny “encourages” the counselors with a large donation to their ministry. 
• Near the end of April instructions were given to the 3ABN production department for the removal of all programming that included Linda, with a completion date of June 1, 2004.
• On May 4 a non-negotiable ultimatum was given by Dr. Thompson, chairman of the Board: “You will be relieved of all duties at 3ABN and will not appear at 3ABN for thirty days. You will arrange to leave Southern Illinois at 3ABN expense for the duration.” Linda was given 24 hours to respond to this request. Dr. Thompson tells Linda to consider him as speaking for the Board. (When Dr. Thompson tells Linda to leave Southern Illinois for thirty days beginning on May 4, this insures that Linda would not be present for the next board meeting on May 30.)
• During the month of May the flagship program of 3ABN, 3ABN Presents, featuring Linda and Danny as presenters, was ended and production of a new program, 3ABN Today, without Linda, was produced to air in it’s place.
• May 27, Johann Thorvaldsson and Dr. Abrahamsen attend the 3ABN Spring camp meeting, knowing the Board will meet on May 30, their intent is to testify on behalf of Linda and to clear the false charges made against Dr. Abrahamsen by Danny Shelton. Danny had earlier extended an invitation to Dr. Abrahamsen to speak to the Board.
• Linda was told by Danny not to attend the 3ABN camp meeting and was in Springfield, Illinois at the home of her daughter.
• In the evening of May 27 Johann Thorvaldsson, still an employee of 3ABN, and Dr. Abrahamsen are escorted from the 3ABN grounds, on the authority of Danny Shelton. They are told not to return to Thompsonville or they will be arrested.
• Linda was removed from her positions as Vice President, Secretary and 3ABN Board member by a vote of the 3ABN Board on May 30, 2004.
• Linda and Danny Shelton separated on June 1, 2004. Linda left her home because she no longer felt welcome there and was afraid for her physical safety, if she remained with Danny.
• A letter was received in June, 2004, notifying Linda that she had been fired from 3ABN.
• On June 4, Linda signed a separation agreement between herself and 3ABN, this effectively placed her in the position of being under a “gag order” until 2007.
• June 21, Linda was notified their Guam divorce, for which Danny had filed, was final.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: GRAT on July 05, 2010, 09:13:30 AM
From married to divorced in 6 months flat!  Makes your head spin. Will be interesting to see how this is disputed as all lies.  Is a pretty straight forward time line and much too fast for someone who claims they still loved their wife.   :hot:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 05, 2010, 11:25:16 AM
Grat,
Looks like a rush job to me and I think anyone normal would agree.   Because of this rush job gave me the ultimate reasoning hmmm--Brandy must a conned him but then that would not of happened with ole "diamond head" if of course he knew 100% there was no chance.   But it sure looks like there was !! I'm waiting to hear the details of the DNA testing. I know Dr. Day gave a pretty well account on that end But there is more I'm sure how it got to the other end of that funny business. all you have to do is watch the action and reaction of facts. It sure isn't hard. It's just awfully hard for the others to think how they will counter against the common sense time line of events.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 05, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
I agree. This is my point, for a man who had been married to his wife as long as Danny had. I find it odd that he could just disbanded her completely in a four month period. I just don't understand.  Theoretically, even if Linda did have an affair with the Dr. I still don't see how all of these events transpired in four months, if something wasn't up.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Mary Sue Smith on July 05, 2010, 12:08:51 PM
Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it. 
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Emma on July 05, 2010, 12:59:48 PM
Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it. 

Danny did not want the divorce and yet he filed for it ?     

I do not have first hand knowledge of this saga, but that statement does not make sense.    If he did not want the divorce, surely he would have waited and given his wife all the time needed in case she changed her mind, rather than get it over as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 05, 2010, 01:28:15 PM
Junebug you make no sense at all. If Danny wanted his marriage to work, adultery or not he would not have been the one to file for divorce. He sure didn't waste any time remarrying did he?
Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it. 
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 05, 2010, 01:34:09 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...



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Although no evidence has ever been presented to uphold the charges of adultery against her—nor were there any allegations of substandard job performance on her part—from studying the time line it becomes apparent that the decision to remove Linda from 3ABN was already a certainty in April, 2004. At this time the order was given to remove all programming that included Linda, with a deadline for completion of June 1, 2004 (one day after the 3ABN Board meeting was scheduled, May 30). With a deadline of June first it takes no stretch of imagination to extrapolate that not only would Linda be removed from 3ABN by that time, but the removal was intended to be permanent, regardless of any official declarations made to the contrary. Based upon this evidence alone, it is apparent that despite announcements made by Danny Shelton that he loved his wife and wished to reconcile with her, Linda’s fate was already sealed in April with a definite departure date of June 1. What can be concluded from these facts? There was obviously an orchestrated conspiracy to remove Linda from her position at 3ABN. Since no legitimate evidence could be found to dismiss Linda from her position and remove her from her marriage, the only solution was to discredit her reputation by obtaining falsified testimony against her which could establish Biblical grounds for both her removal from the ministry and the dissolution of her marriage. This would free Danny to marry again, in addition to maintaining complete control of Three Angels Broadcasting Network.



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 05, 2010, 02:19:49 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...



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Although no evidence has ever been presented to uphold the charges of adultery against her—nor were there any allegations of substandard job performance on her part—from studying the time line it becomes apparent that the decision to remove Linda from 3ABN was already a certainty in April, 2004. At this time the order was given to remove all programming that included Linda, with a deadline for completion of June 1, 2004 (one day after the 3ABN Board meeting was scheduled, May 30). With a deadline of June first it takes no stretch of imagination to extrapolate that not only would Linda be removed from 3ABN by that time, but the removal was intended to be permanent, regardless of any official declarations made to the contrary. Based upon this evidence alone, it is apparent that despite announcements made by Danny Shelton that he loved his wife and wished to reconcile with her, Linda’s fate was already sealed in April with a definite departure date of June 1. What can be concluded from these facts? There was obviously an orchestrated conspiracy to remove Linda from her position at 3ABN. Since no legitimate evidence could be found to dismiss Linda from her position and remove her from her marriage, the only solution was to discredit her reputation by obtaining falsified testimony against her which could establish Biblical grounds for both her removal from the ministry and the dissolution of her marriage. This would free Danny to marry again, in addition to maintaining complete control of Three Angels Broadcasting Network.




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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 05, 2010, 05:03:18 PM
Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it. 

Sorry, I cannot figure that out, Junebug, because before Danny and Linda went to Kansas for counseling Danny first told me that he did not want to go there. It was Linda's idea because she wanted to save the marriage. But then he figured out that he could get from those counselors a statement that he had the Biblical right to get a divorce so that he could marry another woman. And now you claim that he did not want a divorce? If Danny told you that, to whom did he tell the truth?

How do you figure that out?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gregory on July 05, 2010, 07:00:23 PM
Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it. 

I can not speak for Danny.    I simply remind you that Linda went into court in an attempt to have the divorce declared illegal.   The judge rulled against her and declared the divorce legal.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 05, 2010, 11:32:09 PM
I am sure there are many very nice aspects to Junebug and 3D. Bear in mind, Samuel and Johann, I am sure that they must have a deep love for both of you and are simply concerned for you out of the depth of that love. They are fans of 3ABN, which embraces the motto "mending broken people" (which, it seems they feel that we are) and we should assume that they want nothing more than to see happiness and the charity of 1 Corinthians 13 extended to each one of us out of their own hearts. I think we should start looking for the expressions of the love and care they have for us and Linda (who we all seem to see as their arch enemy), instead of the suspicion, spite and anger we so often seem to see in their communications. They, after all, represent an organization that is built on the premise of love, care, and concern... not hatred, anger, suspicion, or spite. Right?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 06, 2010, 02:37:32 AM
George,

Although none of us are perfect and have unintentional flaws and continually in a state of asking forgiveness for those downfalls, it is different when it is downright intentional, and lack of discernment to know where your at when greed, selfish desires and lust of evil, and a great measure of wisdom for the devilish acts and then profess alternative lies for justification of the real facts and sequence of events.

I understand where your coming from and nice gestures of statements used I'm sure for a nice try to enter "out of minds", but you can't parley with "something this foul."

I think the other side has to be heard on behalf of Linda and shown, but that is only one aspect of this 3abn saga. The misuse of funds, hidden funds, profits made from nonprofit, the protection and allowance of TS provided by the clan, Alyssa, Melody, Brandy, DNA saga, all the while they claim nondenominational with the minglers hanging on their shirts providing more funding for this foul corrupt display of SDA. This is genius wisdom of corruption. and who is at the top at this great feat and accomplishment? If non of the above is true then how did the documents happen?

There fighting for the "scheme of begging funds" not broken people and the leadership of SDA is allowing it in the name of "pilot" so all their programming shows connected. Is this what the tears of EGW were for as she wrote telling of end times and SDA? Corruption!! greed, protectors of evil. I watched GC on TV. A lot was inspiring, but a lot not. I did not know what to think of some of it and why??? But that's all is in the hand of God and his judgement not mine. We will still enter the gates on the judgement of individual basis. Sure did take milions, millions and more millions for that. It even gave Obama a "slot" as he addressed thousands by letter. But you won't change his "Muslim beliefs".  or his agenda or do you think he really listened to SDA preaching  :dunno:.   :ROFL:   The good part was that all the "Evangelicals" and others there might have heard some truth by some good preaching.

Oh, and Di if your reading this, did you hear Abraham Jules out of New York! (smile)  I think Jules really picked a good topic for His sermon. combined the whole kit and caboodle on our differance in views and the views of all visitors of all the different religions that were there. I thought that was well chosen.

edited for spelling.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 06, 2010, 04:31:25 AM
I am sure there are many very nice aspects to Junebug and 3D. Bear in mind, Samuel and Johann, I am sure that they must have a deep love for both of you and are simply concerned for you out of the depth of that love. They are fans of 3ABN, which embraces the motto "mending broken people" (which, it seems they feel that we are) and we should assume that they want nothing more than to see happiness and the charity of 1 Corinthians 13 extended to each one of us out of their own hearts. I think we should start looking for the expressions of the love and care they have for us and Linda (who we all seem to see as their arch enemy), instead of the suspicion, spite and anger we so often seem to see in their communications. They, after all, represent an organization that is built on the premise of love, care, and concern... not hatred, anger, suspicion, or spite. Right?

Yes, I agree with you, George. You recall the text, "thy speech agreeth thereto" (Mark 14:70) and I find a number of things in 3D's posts which reminds me of a lovely Sabbath School teacher at the old Thompsonville SDA  church located then by the road between West Frankfort and Thompsonville. She gave a number of challenging thoughts each week when we were there and did not attend the Marion Church where we heard Steve and Melody Shelton sing.

I recall  one Sabbath when her husband was supposed to have the lesson study. He got up and said his wife was in a much better condition to go through the lesson, and she did. Excellent.

Remember that this all took place when I was "nowhere" according to 3D. Do you think I was hiding in a mouse hole, - or was I just "nowhere" during all those weeks?

Lovely people!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on July 06, 2010, 06:25:05 AM
Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it.  

I can not speak for Danny.    I simply remind you that Linda went into court in an attempt to have the divorce declared illegal.   The judge rulled against her and declared the divorce legal.

I can't speak for either, and am not, but the first fact is that either may or may not have wanted a divorce, but both agreed to get one. The Guam divorce (regardless of who filed for it) was uncontested. Both agreed to it, both signed the petition.

The second fact , according to the court records and current case, is that Linda appealed the Guam divorce, but she did so in order to refile for a Illinois divorce, and is contesting and arguing not only about the unresolved and unaddressed division of marital assets but also to contest the earlier agreed to divisions. COME ON PEOPLE, why would she sign the original petition or try to file for an Illinois divorce if she didn't want a divorce? All she had to do if she didn't was say I don't and didn't want a divorce and am contesting it's validity.

As we all know, fact three, the property part of the divorce in Guam, the part related to the division of property not already agreed to, is still underway in Franklin County, Illinois.

My understanding, FWIW,  is that Linda and Danny both agreed to the divorce and agreed Danny would file for the divorce and that Linda would file for the division of marital assets which they hadn't already agreed to and resolved after that.

I have a hard time understanding why this remains such a issue for the busy bodies.True we need to stand for the right, and not defend or condone wrong, but  people ( and Danny and Linda are people) deserve privacy, and support and love, and prayers, especially in hard or difficult times.

edited to clarify and fix my typos...
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 06, 2010, 06:51:30 AM
Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it.  

I can not speak for Danny.    I simply remind you that Linda went into court in an attempt to have the divorce declared illegal.   The judge rulled against her and declared the divorce legal.

I can't speak for either, and am not, but the first fact is that either may or may not have wanted a divorce, but both agreed to get one. The Guam divorce (regardless of who filed for it) was uncontested. Both agreed to it, both signed the petition.

The second fact , according to the court records and current case, is that Linda appealed the Guam divorce, but she did so in order to refile for a Illinois divorce, and is contesting and arguing not only about the unresolved and unaddressed division of marital assets but also to contest the earlier agreed to divisions. COME ON PEOPLE, why would she sign the original petition or try to file for an Illinois divorce if she didn't want a divorce? All she had to do if she didn't was say I don't and didn't want a divorce and am contesting it's validity.

As we all know, fact three, the property part of the divorce in Guam, the part related to the division of property not already agreed to, is still underway in Franklin County, Illinois.

My understanding, FWIW,  is that Linda and Danny both agreed to the divorce and agreed Danny would file for the divorce and that Linda would file for the division of marital assets which they hadn't already agreed to and resolved after that.

I have a hard time understanding why this remains such a issue for the busy bodies. People deserve privacy, and support and love, especially in hard or difficult times.

edited to clarify and fix my typos...

This may seem odd, but I agree with you Cindy.  It does seem odd that she would appeal the guam divorce, so one could be filed in Illinois.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on July 06, 2010, 07:04:43 AM
Of course something was up. Linda wanted the divorce.

That was easy to figure out.  Danny sure as anything didn't want it.  

I can not speak for Danny.    I simply remind you that Linda went into court in an attempt to have the divorce declared illegal.   The judge rulled against her and declared the divorce legal.

I can't speak for either, and am not, but the first fact is that either may or may not have wanted a divorce, but both agreed to get one. The Guam divorce (regardless of who filed for it) was uncontested. Both agreed to it, both signed the petition.

The second fact , according to the court records and current case, is that Linda appealed the Guam divorce, but she did so in order to refile for a Illinois divorce, and is contesting and arguing not only about the unresolved and unaddressed division of marital assets but also to contest the earlier agreed to divisions. COME ON PEOPLE, why would she sign the original petition or try to file for an Illinois divorce if she didn't want a divorce? All she had to do if she didn't was say I don't and didn't want a divorce and am contesting it's validity.

As we all know, fact three, the property part of the divorce in Guam, the part related to the division of property not already agreed to, is still underway in Franklin County, Illinois.

My understanding, FWIW,  is that Linda and Danny both agreed to the divorce and agreed Danny would file for the divorce and that Linda would file for the division of marital assets which they hadn't already agreed to and resolved after that.

I have a hard time understanding why this remains such a issue for the busy bodies. People deserve privacy, and support and love, especially in hard or difficult times.

edited to clarify and fix my typos...

This may seem odd, but I agree with you Cindy.  It does seem odd that she would appeal the guam divorce, so one could be filed in Illinois.

Thanks, my thought is that the truth is most often found by combining both sides, rather than in just considering one's perspective or view. And, oOoPs ,I edited while you were replying again but didn't mean to cause any problems here.  I'm sorry.:)
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on July 06, 2010, 07:41:59 AM
The time frame on these scene of events are quite unique to say the least. Linda is accused of being unfaithful to her husband, and four months later Danny files for a divorce. And some of the defenders are trying to say that this wasn't a set up? I don't understand how all of these events transpired in a four month period. Seems odd, but that is just me.

Ok, here we may disagree...

Perhaps.. and I know some of the details here, but not all, but you know what? 4 mos isn't beyond comprehension to me. I was married for 20 years, and it only took one minute for me to discover that I had grounds for divorce. My children had to tell me, as my husband said he was finding himself in order to be the husband and father he should be and needed time, I gave him that, until he showed up at a family gathering that I was asked to not attend by his family members due to him not being ready and not able to face me yet. Christmas, I stayed home while my children went. He showed up with another woman, and broke their hearts,and they had to tell me.  My husband, told me he didn't want a divorce as he still loved me, he said that while living with that other woman, and he continued to be with her while stalking me, and he even contested our divorce. But, how much time did I need? From our separation, to my decision to file for a divorce, it was one month...

These things happen. It isn't how much time, but what happened in that time, and why, and what, and how,  which are the problem, imo.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: childoftheking on July 06, 2010, 09:05:45 AM
Oh Ian, I am so sorry that you had to go through all that. It must have been absolutely devastating. I'm sure you didn't deserve to be treated that way. I hope you are finding happiness now. They say the best revenge is living well. So perhaps you are better off without him. Jes sayin' ya know.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 06, 2010, 10:01:36 AM
The time frame on these scene of events are quite unique to say the least. Linda is accused of being unfaithful to her husband, and four months later Danny files for a divorce. And some of the defenders are trying to say that this wasn't a set up? I don't understand how all of these events transpired in a four month period. Seems odd, but that is just me.

Ok, here we may disagree...

Perhaps.. and I know some of the details here, but not all, but you know what? 4 mos isn't beyond comprehension to me. I was married for 20 years, and it only took one minute for me to discover that I had grounds for divorce. My children had to tell me, as my husband said he was finding himself in order to be the husband and father he should be and needed time, I gave him that, until he showed up at a family gathering that I was asked to not attend by his family members due to him not being ready and not able to face me yet. Christmas, I stayed home while my children went. He showed up with another woman, and broke their hearts,and they had to tell me.  My husband, told me he didn't want a divorce as he still loved me, he said that while living with that other woman, and he continued to be with her while stalking me, and he even contested our divorce. But, how much time did I need? From our separation, to my decision to file for a divorce, it was one month...

These things happen. It isn't how much time, but what happened in that time, and why, and what, and how,  which are the problem, imo.
I also know of people who have been divorced in less time than four months.  However, my point is that I believe if people are  really wanting their marriage to work, as it appears that they both (Danny and Linda) wanted, seeing that they persued marriage counseling, it would have taken longer. You are correct, I do not have much information on this, so I'm not going to pretend that I do. 
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 06, 2010, 10:42:22 AM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...


Quote


Who put the wheels in motion for the removal of the Vice President of 3ABN? It was obviously not the 3ABN Board of Directors, they would not meet until May 30, 2004. During this time period an “investigative committee” was formed by Dr. Walt Thompson to find a solution for the “Linda problem” , but they would not have the authority needed to initiate such costly and permanent actions in removing Linda from all programming without a consensus of the full Board to back up such a radical and irreversible decision. Also, why did Walt Thompson specifically direct Linda out of Southern Illinois, at 3ABN donors expense, while the “investigative committee” was meeting and  when the full 3ABN board would meet at the end of May and most would be attending 3ABN camp meeting? Why did Danny request that Linda not be in attendance at this same camp meeting? At this point it becomes evident that the action by the Board to fire Linda Shelton—without giving Linda an opportunity to address the full Board in session—was little more than a “rubber stamp” for a decision that had already been irreversibly placed in motion, with  the execution of these policies beginning more than one month prior to their meeting at the end of May, 2004. When the mandate was made to eradicate all signs of Linda from 3ABN programming , Danny Shelton alone had the authority to make the decision and to set the timetable for its completion. In this light, how can any statements he made after April, confessing his love for Linda and his desire to reconcile with her, be considered little more than a smoke screen to hide his true intent?

Reflecting from our timetable above we know that at the end of April instructions were given to the 3ABN production department for the removal of all programming that included Linda, with a completion date of June 1, 2004. Taking into consideration the fact that Linda was suspended from her position as head of 3ABN programming for the months of April and May, and that during this time she was forbidden access to her work computer and not allowed access to the 3ABN compound without an escort and additionally, all employees were ordered not to speak with her; the obvious conclusion is that Danny had already actively  expedited his plan for the complete removal of Linda’s presence on 3ABN and was hiding his true intent from her.  To insure this intent was throughly hidden, Dr. Walter Thompson, claiming the authority of the Board, instructs Linda to leave Southern Illinois at the donors expense. Does this action imply duplicity on the part of Danny's long time associate in the apparent scheme to remove Linda? In light of these facts why was an “investigative committee” formed to seek a solution? Or was it in actuality, little more than a group of spin doctors brought together to formulate a scenario to convince the full Board to ratify what was already put into motion in April by Danny Shelton and intended to be fully accomplished by the date of the board meeting with only their approval left to finalize the process?


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: GRAT on July 06, 2010, 11:07:49 AM
Who were the members of the "investigative judgment committee"?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 06, 2010, 04:04:04 PM
Quote
[Original Message]
From: Brenda Walsh <brendawalsh@*****>
Cc: Nick Miller <nmiller@******>; Walt Thompson
<walttmd@*****>; Danny Shelton <danshelton@******>
To: Linda Shelton <******>

Date: 2/9/2005 11:57:28 AM
Subject: Letter from BRENDA WALSH

February 9, 2005



Dear Linda,

I am writing to you because I would like you to hear the truth about some misconceptions you may have regarding my marriage to Tim. I received a call from someone who spoke with you personally, and they said that you specifically told them that Tim and I are divorced and that Danny and I were having an affair.

Here is the truth:

1. Tim and I are happily married and we are definitely NOT divorced nor are we planning a divorce. We have a loving Christ centered home and we love each other very much. We believe that God brought us together and we plan to be together till death do us part or until Jesus comes….whichever come first.

2. Your ex-husband, Danny Shelton and I have never had an affair nor are we thinking about having an affair, not in the past, present or future! I would be willing to swear in a court of law, that I have NOT had an affair with Danny or anyone else. The only person Danny has ever talked about loving was you, and I don’t believe that he has had an affair with anyone! I believe he was faithful to you the entire time you were married, both in a physical and spiritual sense.

3. As you know, Danny and I have known each other all our lives and he is like a brother to me. My mom and dad think of him as one of their sons. The ONLY man that I have romantic feelings for is my husband Tim.


I hope this sets the record straight. Now that you know the truth, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from spreading lies and rumors. Linda I love you very much and I cherish many warm and happy memories of our times spent together. We once shared a special friendship and it hurts me to think that you could even possibly think that I would be involved with your husband! Nothing could be farther from the truth! Someday I hope you will realize that I am not your enemy. I wish you only the best and I pray that someday soon when Jesus comes in the clouds of glory, that we will be neighbors together in heaven.

May God bless you,

Your sister in Christ,

Brenda

That's fine. Brenda is willing to swear in a court of law. But what good would that really do?

Under cross-examination, it could be shown that Brenda Walsh maliciously and blatantly lied against and slandered Linda Shelton when she falsely claimed that Linda bought plane tickets to Florida against Linda's wishes, and that Linda's ticket was used. In reality, Brenda reserved the tickets and instructed Dee Hilderbrand/3ABN to buy the tickets, and Delta Airlines says that Linda's ticket was never used.

In other words, Brenda's sworn testimony can be impeached because it can be proven that she is a liar.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 06, 2010, 04:06:18 PM
How can one belive this letter of Brenda when she lied about the tickets to Florida?

Brenda didn't lie about the tickets. Tinka is repeating a lie about Brenda.

Where you been? Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, and Delta Airlines said it wasn't used. Are you accusing Delta Airlines of lying?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 06, 2010, 04:11:18 PM
However, in doing so, the remarriage of Danny to Brandy should be off the table.  It took place.  The SDA Church made a decision about that.  This subject should be finished.  Some things just have to be left to God and this is one of them.

Frankly, I believe that the number of SDA ministers who would say that this should be off the table at this point in time is the vast majority.

I do not recall any decision by the denomination regarding Danny Shelton's third marriage. If he did not have biblical grounds, then I do not see any reason why he could not or should not be yet subject to church discipline. Particularly would this be the case if he secured a favorable decision from the denomination by fraud.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 06, 2010, 04:21:49 PM
Where you been Defender, The claim is that Linda did go by DS and Brenda bought the ticket. What's wrong with your perception. They argue all the ways she went without anyone knowing.
Here is the double talk again. You can't keep up with yourself.

Tinka is confused and replying to the wrong person.

According to my understanding though, the claim was always that Linda took the trip at a later time as the first one planned with Brenda and the Doctor (easter week/spring vacation) had to be canceled when Danny found out.( Thus the Doctor was with Johann and his wife instead). The further claim was that Linda went later (that she was gone without explanation to Danny and job) but that while she was gone her mother called and left a message on the answering machine referring to a conversation she had with her, and to Linda being in Florida.

Do I have evidence to support this? No. My purpose in writing this is just to correct what Tinka wrote as it is incorrect.

The claim was always that? How come I don't remember ever hearing this before? Are you sure someone didn't concoct this for the first time after the Delta Airlines letter contradicted Brenda Walsh's slander?

Put a date on it: When did Linda go to Florida? Give us the date of the alleged later trip.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 06, 2010, 04:38:40 PM
My understanding, FWIW,  is that Linda and Danny both agreed to the divorce and agreed Danny would file for the divorce and that Linda would file for the division of marital assets which they hadn't already agreed to and resolved after that.

I have seen no evidence that both agreed that Linda would file for the division of marital assets. Danny repeatedly tried to get Linda to divide that assets without filing a case, from what I recall.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on July 06, 2010, 04:59:25 PM
How could Walt Thompson MAKE Linda leave the state? I mean she is a USA citizen and she can do as she pleases. She was not a felon, so she could come and go as she liked- Danny could not make her do anything- this is totally rediculous. :horse:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 06, 2010, 07:11:00 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...


Quote


In a period of less than four months, from the time that she visits her son in the Norwegian Clinic, Linda would experience the murder of her reputation through a highly orchestrated campaign of half truths, lies and innuendo. This would result in the loss of her marriage, ministry,  credibility, potential employment, and everything else she valued. For nineteen years she had been Vice President and co-founder of a worldwide Christian television network, whose motto was “mending broken people”, but in a few brief months Linda Shelton would be unceremoniously put out with the trash. It didn’t matter that she had never committed adultery. The false accusation of adultery was never the genuine reason for her removal from their ministry and marriage—although it would become a convenient hook from which to hang Linda. Additionally it was the only grounds for divorce that would furnish Danny with a Biblical basis to remarry, without threatening his position as the President of a Christian ministry. A brief telephone call from a member of the subcommittee  assigned to look into the situation between Danny and Linda, would confirm this fact. She told Linda, “The Board doesn’t care about you and Danny’s personal problems...  All the Board cares about is that the president no longer wants his vice-president.” The fact that the president no longer wanted his vice-president, not the false accusations of adultery, was the real reason for Linda’s dismissal from 3ABN according to Dr. Kay Kuzma. After Linda’s removal, Dr. Kuzma would become the head of the book publishing division of 3ABN.




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 06, 2010, 08:53:35 PM
How could Walt Thompson MAKE Linda leave the state? I mean she is a USA citizen and she can do as she pleases. She was not a felon, so she could come and go as she liked- Danny could not make her do anything- this is totally rediculous. :horse:

Well, some will probably say to give her time to think, or cool off. However, I don't think that is the case. Something around here is starting to smell fishy.

I also would like to know, what or who gave Walt Thompson the power or authority to demand such action anyway. I guess if you have a "PhDan d are the chairman of the board" you can do as you please.  :dunno:

Wonder why he didn't demand Pastor Tommy Shelton to leave the state after allegations of child molestation? However, he the chairman allowed Pastor Tommy Shelton to remain employed with 3ABN. I would like to see someone answer that!

Could someone please explain to me a simple question, Linda was terminated from her employment, because of allegations of an affair that was never proven. Why didn't the same rule apply to Tommy Shelton, a man who was accused of child pedophilia? That makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 06, 2010, 08:59:50 PM
My guess would be because Danny didn't demand it, like he did with Linda.

[Wonder why he didn't demand Pastor Tommy Shelton to leave the state after allegations of child molestation? However, he the chairman allowed Pastor Tommy Shelton to remain employed with 3ABN. I would like to see someone answer that!
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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 06, 2010, 09:01:30 PM
Sorry, George, I was editing my post when you posted. I think you are right. It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 06, 2010, 09:38:54 PM
IMO, there are a few simple answers. Tommy is a Shelton, and Linda is not. Linda had a CD the was outselling all the Shelton CDs. Linda had music videos out that were gaining significant national attention, and the Sheltons did not. She had to be put in her place and made to realize that as a non-Shelton, she was sub-Shelton in every way that really counts. Tommy may have his problems, but he always payed his obligant obeisance to his little brother. Tommy had his problems, but those boys should just get over it and grow up. Linda, well, it was unseemly that a non-Shelton should presume to Shelton greatness... an opinion anyway.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 06, 2010, 09:58:49 PM
IMO, there are a few simple answers. Tommy is a Shelton, and Linda is not. Linda had a CD the was outselling all the Shelton CDs. Linda had music videos out that were gaining significant national attention, and the Sheltons did not. She had to be put in her place and made to realize that as a non-Shelton, she was sub-Shelton in every way that really counts. Tommy may have his problems, but he always payed his obligant obeisance to his little brother. Tommy had his problems, but those boys should just get over it and grow up. Linda, well, it was unseemly that a non-Shelton should presume to Shelton greatness... an opinion anyway.

I understand what you are saying completely. As I have stated before, it appears, the Sheltons do no wrong.  I just have trouble understanding their ways of adapting. 
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 07, 2010, 04:10:46 AM
I was pleased to hear one of Linda's songs being played in a store I was shopping in last week.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 07, 2010, 04:19:39 AM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...


Quote


In a period of less than four months, from the time that she visits her son in the Norwegian Clinic, Linda would experience the murder of her reputation through a highly orchestrated campaign of half truths, lies and innuendo. This would result in the loss of her marriage, ministry,  credibility, potential employment, and everything else she valued. For nineteen years she had been Vice President and co-founder of a worldwide Christian television network, whose motto was “mending broken people”, but in a few brief months Linda Shelton would be unceremoniously put out with the trash. It didn’t matter that she had never committed adultery.  Oh, but it does matter in the eyes of God and it appears that DS is in really big trouble with going down that one way street.


 A brief telephone call from a member of the subcommittee  assigned to look into the situation between Danny and Linda, would confirm this fact. She told Linda, “The Board doesn’t care about you and Danny’s personal problems...  All the Board cares about is that the president no longer wants his vice-president.” The fact that the president no longer wanted his vice-president, not the false accusations of adultery, was the real reason for Linda’s dismissal from 3ABN according to Dr. Kay Kuzma. After Linda’s removal, Dr. Kuzma would become the head of the book publishing division of 3ABN.  Watching her on 3abn some time ago I alway thought she needed some Doctoring herself. A little flaky. Why did she have to take another job. What was wrong with her Dr. Business?




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sheba on July 07, 2010, 04:33:35 AM
Ode to Danny Lee

Here's to the moments that are stolen
And stealing is certainly wrong,
But after those moments are stolen
To whom do they really belong?

For if my wife ne'er comes to claim them
And your husband ne're makes a fuss
Let's hold our heads up proudly
And say they belong to us.

For if you had bushels of apples,
And left them alone to rot.
And a neighbor came by and ate them
Would you blame him? Certainly not!

For apples were made to be eaten
And moments were made for delight.
And that's what we'll tell our conscience
If it keeps us awake at nights.

unpublicized words known only by me
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 07, 2010, 03:57:27 PM
Problem is 3D. I am nobody's right ahnd man...eerrr.......make that woman, and I have no dog in this fight.  But I agree with Linda and George.  You might have a leg to stand on if it had not played out exactly as was feared.  Her Pastor needed to come off his righteous indignation when all the while he was doing Danny's bidding.  They didn't fool everyone.

Also, You all have to make up your minds.  Either Linda's friends are her close friends, or they are just associates that she lies to all the time.  It is only convenient for you all to maintain that Johann was with Linda very little of the time, to give time and opportunity to this phantom of the relationship Danny is trying to present.   


It is a good guess that a church board and group of members whose livelyhood is largely dependent on one of the parties in a dispute, will vote in favor of that party in a squabble of this nature. Protests to the contrary don't carry the weight of logic or reason. Pastor Lomacang's letter expresses ample outrage, but fails to refute the suspicion.

Well you have to say that George, next to Johann, you are Linda's right hand man.

I wonder if you would have the nerve to say the above to the members and Pastor of that church and actually look them in the eye when you said it? I somehow doubt it.

edited to add, If I remember correctly 3abn employees were a minority on the board at the time. Is that correct, George. I could ask someone else, but you should know, right?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sam on July 08, 2010, 10:03:17 AM
IMO, there are a few simple answers. Tommy is a Shelton, and Linda is not. Linda had a CD the was outselling all the Shelton CDs. Linda had music videos out that were gaining significant national attention, and the Sheltons did not. She had to be put in her place and made to realize that as a non-Shelton, she was sub-Shelton in every way that really counts. Tommy may have his problems, but he always payed his obligant obeisance to his little brother. Tommy had his problems, but those boys should just get over it and grow up. Linda, well, it was unseemly that a non-Shelton should presume to Shelton greatness... an opinion anyway.


I would love for you to try and prove your statements "george".  In fact,inventory records will show exactly the opposite. If memory serves Linda only made 1 CD of her own..the rest was with Danny. The one she made that went along with her "video" caused nothing but grief with the public as no one could understand why she would waste money on a music video as if she were a rock star..or any kind of star at all. She wasn't, but thought she was. The crew that worked with her on the video said she wanted to spare no expense and wanted to be treated as a diva during the whole process.  Those videos did not sell and never would have. Those close to the couple said they had quite a bit of trouble over the video as Danny knew the 3abn viewers would not like the idea but, as usual, Linda insisted on having her own way.

As far as Walt Thompson making her "leave the state" that gave me a good chuckle. When Samuel said something didn't smell right...he was correct. He was smelling all the ridiculous lies about this subject. Use some good common sense people. Walt couldn't or wouldn't make anyone do anything.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 08, 2010, 11:27:10 AM
IMO, there are a few simple answers. Tommy is a Shelton, and Linda is not. Linda had a CD the was outselling all the Shelton CDs. Linda had music videos out that were gaining significant national attention, and the Sheltons did not. She had to be put in her place and made to realize that as a non-Shelton, she was sub-Shelton in every way that really counts. Tommy may have his problems, but he always payed his obligant obeisance to his little brother. Tommy had his problems, but those boys should just get over it and grow up. Linda, well, it was unseemly that a non-Shelton should presume to Shelton greatness... an opinion anyway.


I would love for you to try and prove your statements "george".  In fact,inventory records will show exactly the opposite. If memory serves Linda only made 1 CD of her own..the rest was with Danny. The one she made that went along with her "video" caused nothing but grief with the public as no one could understand why she would waste money on a music video as if she were a rock star..or any kind of star at all. She wasn't, but thought she was. The crew that worked with her on the video said she wanted to spare no expense and wanted to be treated as a diva during the whole process.  Those videos did not sell and never would have. Those close to the couple said they had quite a bit of trouble over the video as Danny knew the 3abn viewers would not like the idea but, as usual, Linda insisted on having her own way.

As far as Walt Thompson making her "leave the state" that gave me a good chuckle. When Samuel said something didn't smell right...he was correct. He was smelling all the ridiculous lies about this subject. Use some good common sense people. Walt couldn't or wouldn't make anyone do anything.

Interesting spin, Sam.  Answer this...then why on earth did Walt tell her she had to leave?


By the way 3D..I'm still waiting.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: ex3abnemployee on July 08, 2010, 02:22:06 PM
IMO, there are a few simple answers. Tommy is a Shelton, and Linda is not. Linda had a CD the was outselling all the Shelton CDs. Linda had music videos out that were gaining significant national attention, and the Sheltons did not. She had to be put in her place and made to realize that as a non-Shelton, she was sub-Shelton in every way that really counts. Tommy may have his problems, but he always payed his obligant obeisance to his little brother. Tommy had his problems, but those boys should just get over it and grow up. Linda, well, it was unseemly that a non-Shelton should presume to Shelton greatness... an opinion anyway.


I would love for you to try and prove your statements "george".  In fact,inventory records will show exactly the opposite. If memory serves Linda only made 1 CD of her own..the rest was with Danny. The one she made that went along with her "video" caused nothing but grief with the public as no one could understand why she would waste money on a music video as if she were a rock star..or any kind of star at all. She wasn't, but thought she was. The crew that worked with her on the video said she wanted to spare no expense and wanted to be treated as a diva during the whole process.  Those videos did not sell and never would have. Those close to the couple said they had quite a bit of trouble over the video as Danny knew the 3abn viewers would not like the idea but, as usual, Linda insisted on having her own way.

As far as Walt Thompson making her "leave the state" that gave me a good chuckle. When Samuel said something didn't smell right...he was correct. He was smelling all the ridiculous lies about this subject. Use some good common sense people. Walt couldn't or wouldn't make anyone do anything.
I would love for YOU to try to prove YOUR statements, "SAM." Oh, that's right. Facts are foreign to you.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: GRAT on July 08, 2010, 02:28:33 PM
So am I 3-D.  But them I am not anybody that anybody would care about so why should you have to answer my question.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 08, 2010, 03:03:26 PM
Although a credible source disagrees with Sam on the inventory matter, he makes several points here that I believe are factual. Credible sources will back up his statements about what the crew said, the internal disputes over the videos, and their lack of sales. On the other hand, my opinion is that the videos would have done well outside the SDA circles. I think they were probably too edgy for the 3ABN audience, which seems to prefer more straight forward perfomance and less drama. The crew were very creative and made remarkable products. In other venues I think those guys could be producing multi-million dollar videos.

IMO, there are a few simple answers. Tommy is a Shelton, and Linda is not. Linda had a CD the was outselling all the Shelton CDs. Linda had music videos out that were gaining significant national attention, and the Sheltons did not. She had to be put in her place and made to realize that as a non-Shelton, she was sub-Shelton in every way that really counts. Tommy may have his problems, but he always payed his obligant obeisance to his little brother. Tommy had his problems, but those boys should just get over it and grow up. Linda, well, it was unseemly that a non-Shelton should presume to Shelton greatness... an opinion anyway.


I would love for you to try and prove your statements "george".  In fact,inventory records will show exactly the opposite. If memory serves Linda only made 1 CD of her own..the rest was with Danny. The one she made that went along with her "video" caused nothing but grief with the public as no one could understand why she would waste money on a music video as if she were a rock star..or any kind of star at all. She wasn't, but thought she was. The crew that worked with her on the video said she wanted to spare no expense and wanted to be treated as a diva during the whole process.  Those videos did not sell and never would have. Those close to the couple said they had quite a bit of trouble over the video as Danny knew the 3abn viewers would not like the idea but, as usual, Linda insisted on having her own way.

As far as Walt Thompson making her "leave the state" that gave me a good chuckle. When Samuel said something didn't smell right...he was correct. He was smelling all the ridiculous lies about this subject. Use some good common sense people. Walt couldn't or wouldn't make anyone do anything.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 08, 2010, 03:20:22 PM
Oh my, Cindy!  How terrible!   I know that was just an awful time for you.

I also personally know thw story of a women whose experience is exactly as I see Linda's.  This man was engaged to be married to another woman accused his much younger wife of adultery, and swore his three boys to secrecy.......about their "new" mother.   Until the youngest made an unfortunte outburst one day, the woman was compeltely clueless as to why her husband had acted the way he did.

And here is where you and in(always, of course in love) disagree.  :-)  I see you ex-husband's actions more akin to Danny's.  You may or may not know this, but at the time Danny was proclaiming his love for his wife and marriage on BSDA, he was filing for a quickie Guam divorce.  We always thought it sounded funny, and just were waiting around for the other shoe to drop, when we finally were able to put it together.  It did, with Brandy's arrival not six months after Linda's departure.

I think for Linda, that as always hindsight was 20/20 and she saw the mistake she made by signing a host of agreements not in her best interest without legal representation.

Ok, here we may disagree...

Perhaps.. and I know some of the details here, but not all, but you know what? 4 mos isn't beyond comprehension to me. I was married for 20 years, and it only took one minute for me to discover that I had grounds for divorce. My children had to tell me, as my husband said he was finding himself in order to be the husband and father he should be and needed time, I gave him that, until he showed up at a family gathering that I was asked to not attend by his family members due to him not being ready and not able to face me yet. Christmas, I stayed home while my children went. He showed up with another woman, and broke their hearts,and they had to tell me.  My husband, told me he didn't want a divorce as he still loved me, he said that while living with that other woman, and he continued to be with her while stalking me, and he even contested our divorce. But, how much time did I need? From our separation, to my decision to file for a divorce, it was one month...

These things happen. It isn't how much time, but what happened in that time, and why, and what, and how,  which are the problem, imo.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on July 08, 2010, 05:52:32 PM
I still never got an answer as to how Walt Thompson could make LS leave the state. Did he use a gun?, Blackmail? If he used these methods and Linda did not trust the local police, surely she could have gone to the State Police, the State Attorney,the State Representatives, the Governor? Surely DS didn not have all of them in his pocket.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 08, 2010, 06:00:19 PM
I still never got an answer as to how Walt Thompson could make LS leave the state. Did he use a gun?, Blackmail? If he used these methods and Linda did not trust the local police, surely she could have gone to the State Police, the State Attorney,the State Representatives, the Governor? Surely DS didn not have all of them in his pocket.
Mrst53, we would probably be suprised at  who or what Danny (or should I say innocent donors who, some, give their last cents.) can buy.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 08, 2010, 06:10:05 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...

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How had Linda's nightmare begun? Since the fall of 2003, Danny's demeanor toward Linda had been rapidly changing. She simply could not understand what could have caused this definite shift in his attitude toward her. At first it was small changes. Changes in behavior and attitude  that would have gone unnoticed by the casual observer, but after so many years of marriage were quite apparent to a devoted wife. Puzzled with these events and as they continued to escalate in both frequency and degree, Linda tried to consider every innocent possibility. Perhaps it could be midlife crisis? Danny was already in his fifties.

When Danny suddenly removed all his belongings from the bathroom they shared, stating that he needed more space, Linda didn't know what to think. Where other wives would consider his behavior suspicious and start questioning why, suddenly, after almost nineteen years of marriage, their husband needed more “space”, Linda did not. She just continued to pray and try to understand her husband's unusual behavior.

Linda loved and trusted Danny to a fault. Unfortunately, this unconditional trust and love for her husband would prove to be misplaced and become an entering wedge for a plan to remove her from her marriage and ministry. What should have been a strength in their relationship would be turned into a weakness, a blind spot where a deceiver would begin to spin a deadly web of lies, unbeknownst to his trusting victim. Linda's trusting nature and relative  naivety were to become the cornerstone upon which the entire structure of Danny's cleverly devised and executed plan to rid himself of her would be built. Linda's unconditional love and trust for her husband would become the Achilles heel that Danny had so diligently searched to discover. This  perceived “weakness” of Linda was very familiar to him. It was the key that allowed him to manipulate her throughout their marriage and the method he used to lock the door that kept his own extramarital friendships secret from her.




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on July 09, 2010, 05:26:42 AM
Well if your opinion is correct then the  music videos "that were gaining significant national attention" and "would have done well outside the SDA circles"  can still do well, "George", and should have already been. Linda has the rights to them, and has had that for 6 years now, and has also been receiving the income from selling that CD on her website the entire time. The one you claim "was outselling all the Shelton CDs." Good for her.

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Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. ("Three Angels") and Linda Shelton ("Mrs. Shelton"), hereby agree to the following terms and conditions:


1. Three Angels agrees to pay Linda Shelton, within seven days of the signing of this document by both parties, the sum of $45,000. Three Angels agrees to transfer to Linda the rights, including the masters, to the five musical CD projects that she has had a primary role in (two solo projects and three duet projects with Danny and Linda) and the eight musical songs on video from the I Think About Grace album.



2. Three Angels agrees to pay Linda Shelton, within seven days of the signing of this agreement by both parties, a further sum of $45,000.



3. Three Angels also agrees to pay Linda Shelton $75,000 for each of the years 2005 and 2006. This money will be paid out in 24 equal installments ($6,250.00) beginning the first Monday of January, 2005, and continuing to be paid on the first Monday of each month for the next 23 months, ending with the payment on the first Monday of December 2006....





Although a credible source disagrees with Sam on the inventory matter, he makes several points here that I believe are factual. Credible sources will back up his statements about what the crew said, the internal disputes over the videos, and their lack of sales. On the other hand, my opinion is that the videos would have done well outside the SDA circles. I think they were probably too edgy for the 3ABN audience, which seems to prefer more straight forward perfomance and less drama. The crew were very creative and made remarkable products. In other venues I think those guys could be producing multi-million dollar videos.

IMO, there are a few simple answers. Tommy is a Shelton, and Linda is not. Linda had a CD the was outselling all the Shelton CDs. Linda had music videos out that were gaining significant national attention, and the Sheltons did not. She had to be put in her place and made to realize that as a non-Shelton, she was sub-Shelton in every way that really counts. Tommy may have his problems, but he always payed his obligant obeisance to his little brother. Tommy had his problems, but those boys should just get over it and grow up. Linda, well, it was unseemly that a non-Shelton should presume to Shelton greatness... an opinion anyway.


I would love for you to try and prove your statements "george".  In fact,inventory records will show exactly the opposite. If memory serves Linda only made 1 CD of her own..the rest was with Danny. The one she made that went along with her "video" caused nothing but grief with the public as no one could understand why she would waste money on a music video as if she were a rock star..or any kind of star at all. She wasn't, but thought she was. The crew that worked with her on the video said she wanted to spare no expense and wanted to be treated as a diva during the whole process.  Those videos did not sell and never would have. Those close to the couple said they had quite a bit of trouble over the video as Danny knew the 3abn viewers would not like the idea but, as usual, Linda insisted on having her own way.

As far as Walt Thompson making her "leave the state" that gave me a good chuckle. When Samuel said something didn't smell right...he was correct. He was smelling all the ridiculous lies about this subject. Use some good common sense people. Walt couldn't or wouldn't make anyone do anything.

edited to add clarifications.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Cindy on July 09, 2010, 05:55:17 AM
I still never got an answer as to how Walt Thompson could make LS leave the state. Did he use a gun?, Blackmail? If he used these methods and Linda did not trust the local police, surely she could have gone to the State Police, the State Attorney,the State Representatives, the Governor? Surely DS didn not have all of them in his pocket.

Linda never left the state, nor was she ever asked to. She was offered an agreement by 3ABN but did not agree to it or even reply. Thus it wasn't binding. Dr T could not, and did not force her to do anything, it was her choice, just as it was his and the board's choice what to do, and how to proceed if she didn't agree.

Background to that and the proposed agreement are below.

Johann Thorvaldsson released this letter,(written before Linda's employment was terminated,or her position on the 3ABN board was removed. It has been published on various forums and websites (Pickle and Joy's save-3abn website being first and foremost) with commentary inserted - that commentary been deleted here so the original letter may speak for itself)

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------- Original Message --------
From: Walt Thompson
To: Johann Thorvaldsson
Subject: 3abn
Date: May 2004

If we like, we can continue to nurse this dialog of battle over Linda and involve the whole church and whole world in the warfare. Should we do so, God in His great mercy may still find a way to bring good out of it as He did when He took ancient Israel to Babylon. I would prefer that He have a more faithful people to give Him a better, more powerful witness.
I do not agree with your belief that Linda is being victimized.

But though we disagree we still need to work together to find solutions.

Accordingly, I would be pleased if you would submit to me in writing a comprehensive account of the allegations you have about the way 3ABN has treated Linda. I would like this to be comprehensive with whatever documentation you can provide so that we may assess it accurately.

Once this has been done, my request is that you discontinue further correspondence with Linda or anyone else regarding this matter. In this way we will have the information we need to act, and you will have opportunity to pursue your work of spreading the Good News to Europe. Our work there has been too long stagnate while we have been fighting.

It is my determination to give Linda every opportunity to restore her home and ministry should she be willing.

She has been offered a proposal whereby this may happen. Only she can decide what she will do with it, but all of us at 3ABN want her to choose right. All are desirous of helping her - NONE trying to hurt her.

She may disagree with our proposal, in which case she will be given opportunity to tell her side of the story before the board.

In fact, if she were to desire to bring her case to a neutral party of the Church - and accept the publicity such an event would generate - I would welcome it. When all is said and done, it is my intent that no one will be able to honestly say we have not done everything possible to save her and her place of service.

As you can confirm, I have not expressed any judgments about Dr. Abrahamson other than to say that he is in the wrong for continuing a relationship, even a doctor-patient relationship, that is destroying the very thing he is trying to save. Having said that, a continuation of communication between Europe and Linda will place the board in a place where we must deal with an insubordinate member of the organization. She has been asked on numerous occasions to discontinue the relationship, first by her husband who is also her superior in ministry, by her pastor, by her board chairman, and now by the committee of the board created to seek resolution. Likewise, both you and Dr. Abrahamson have defied our requests to cease communication with Linda. While I can forgive this action on the mistaken belief that it is helping Linda, there comes a point when defiance must be dealt with lest it destroy the whole organization. If you are so concerned about Linda, and I believe you are, you will encourage her to get help here and break off the relationship there. Certainly there are people in America that can give her the help she needs.

Thank you for helping me to meet with Dr. Abrahamson by phone. We had a good discussion that gave me opportunity to hear his side of the story, a thing I appreciate.

While we are going through this challenging time, please confine ALL further discussion about this matter to me or if unreachable, Bill Hulsey or Nick Miller (other members of the committee). In my mind this matter must not continue to spread - for the sake of Linda, 3ABN, and the world church and cause of God.

Your continued earnest prayers are cherished as we accept this responsibility.

Sincerely in Jesus' precious name,

Walt T


This email and letter were apparently furnished by Linda Shelton and published on the Save 3ABN website and also on BSDA and several other internet forums.

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From: Walt Thompson
To: [Alyssa]
Subject: Letter for Linda
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:43:07 -0500

Dear Linda,
This is a copy of the letter that has been sent by FEDEX to you. While you may not understand now, someday you will realize that we are truly desirous of returning you to your home and ministry because we care about you. I plan to go to 3ABN tomorrow and will be available to talk with you if you have questions needing clarification.

Walt

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[FEDEX Letter]
May, 4, 2004

Walter Thompson MD
Chairman of 3ABN Board of Directors
- address removed -

Linda Shelton
Three Angel's Broadcasting Network
PO Box 220
West Frankfort, IL 62896

Dear Linda,


A committee representing the 3ABN board of directors has been selected and has met for the purpose of evaluating the present problem at 3ABN relating to your relationship to Danny and to the ministry of 3ABN - and seeking a resolution acceptable to all parties involved. This letter is intended to represent the will of the board.


Let me begin by expressing our gratitude to you for the part you have played at 3ABN for the past nearly twenty years. You have been an important part of the ministry from the beginning – a fact appreciated by us all. Accordingly, this letter is not written with the intent to destroy your home or your part in the ministry, but rather to rehabilitate and restore.


In accordance with this intent, we are offering the following proposal to you. We believe it has the potential of accomplishing the desired objectives, i.e., to save both your home and a place for you in this ministry. It would do so without making the details of this matter known to the full board or others.


Nor is this letter expressing an opinion regarding the nature of your relationship with Dr. Abrahamson. Whether or not this relationship has been immoral or not is not the issue of this document. The facts are that the relationship and your refusal to discontinue it in spite of repeated requests by Danny and our requests, has damaged both your family and 3ABN – a reality we must deal with in wisdom, love and compassion – but deal with, we must.


We are offering you a 30 day leave of absence with pay and full benefits - to begin at the time of receipt of this letter. During this time the following conditions must be met.


You will be relieved of all duties at 3ABN and will not appear at 3ABN other than to obtain items from your immediate office upon personal request from me. You will arrange to leave Southern Illinois at 3ABN expense for the duration. Both you and 3ABN need time to cool off.


You will agree in writing to cease all communication with Dr. Abrahamson, whether direct or indirect, whether by e-mail, telephone, letter or any other, or through Johann or any other third party. We are designating a period of 30 days, but with the intent this must be a life-long decision.


During this time you will not discuss the issues related to your relationship with 3ABN with anyone other than your immediate family, your professional counselors or representatives or members of the board of directors.


Since this time is recommended as a time for reflection and serious rehabilitation we are requesting that you arrange to receive professional help relating to the issues at hand. We are recommending Ron and Nancy Rocky to you. They have agreed to open their home to you and to give you personal help in dealing with the issues at the center of the present problems. It will be private and protected from the public eye such that neither your image nor reputation ought be damaged. Should you choose different professional help, it must be acceptable to this committee.


At the end of 30 days we will reassess the situation and make further recommendations as indicated.


The issues in this proposal are not negotiable. Should they be unacceptable to you – we hope sincerely they will be acceptable – we will proceed promptly with further investigation of the facts regarding the matter at hand. In that case we will need a list of witnesses you would like us to hear. We will offer Danny the same opportunity. Once we have had opportunity to hear the evidence, we will be in a better position to make recommendations to the full board based upon that evidence. Based on the facts we already know, however, we think pursuing such a course would make any future role for you at 3ABN unlikely.


That is why, Linda, we are pleading with you to accept this proposal for healing and restoration. This is God's ministry. He has chosen you to be a part of it. We want you to continue to be a part of it. But in order for that to happen really important things must change.


Sincerely,
Walter Thompson MD
Chairman of the Board of Directors, 3ABN Committee members include Nicholas P. Miller, Bill Hulsey and Kay Kuzma (by invitation)

Your signature here will confirm your agreement with this proposal. Please sign and return copy within 24 hours of receipt of this letter.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 09, 2010, 07:16:04 AM
Before it starts again, and posters start protesting their outrage that 3ABN suggested counselors for Linda or in the alternative that she choose her own that they could also agree to. I would like to add here, that this was due to Linda herself saying she needed help and someone to talk to as she claimed her phone calls with  Dr A, after starting about Nathan progressed to talking to him about her problems at 3ABN and getting counsel from him about her marriage etc.

Linda Shelton:
" Since Dr. Abrahamsen lived 6,000 miles away, and "the problem" involved some high profile people, I felt this was the best option. Typically I do not believe it is proper to speak regularly to people of the opposite sex when one is married. However, I do believe in a crisis situation the rules change. One must get help where one can find it."



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------- Original Message --------
From: Walt Thompson
To: Johann Thorvaldsson
Subject: 3abn
Date: May 2004

...

As you can confirm, I have not expressed any judgments about Dr. Abrahamson other than to say that he is in the wrong for continuing a relationship, even a doctor-patient relationship, that is destroying the very thing he is trying to save. Having said that, a continuation of communication between Europe and Linda will place the board in a place where we must deal with an insubordinate member of the organization. She has been asked on numerous occasions to discontinue the relationship, first by her husband who is also her superior in ministry, by her pastor, by her board chairman, and now by the committee of the board created to seek resolution. Likewise, both you and Dr. Abrahamson have defied our requests to cease communication with Linda. While I can forgive this action on the mistaken belief that it is helping Linda, there comes a point when defiance must be dealt with lest it destroy the whole organization. If you are so concerned about Linda, and I believe you are, you will encourage her to get help here and break off the relationship there. Certainly there are people in America that can give her the help she needs
....


This email and letter were apparently furnished by Linda Shelton and published on the Save 3ABN website and also on BSDA and several other internet forums.

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From: Walt Thompson
To: [Alyssa]
Subject: Letter for Linda
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:43:07 -0500

May, 4, 2004

Walter Thompson MD
Chairman of 3ABN Board of Directors
- address removed -
...

Dear Linda,
...

Since this time is recommended as a time for reflection and serious rehabilitation we are requesting that you arrange to receive professional help relating to the issues at hand. We are recommending Ron and Nancy Rocky to you. They have agreed to open their home to you and to give you personal help in dealing with the issues at the center of the present problems. It will be private and protected from the public eye such that neither your image nor reputation ought be damaged. Should you choose different professional help, it must be acceptable to this committee....
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 09, 2010, 07:43:16 AM
So am I 3-D.  But them I am not anybody that anybody would care about so why should you have to answer my question.
To the contrary,you are somebody, Christ died for you, and  I do care about you, and am not going to post answers to your questions publicly whether you agree with my reasons or not. Sorry.. As to what those questions are, well I think they may be based on things you have assumed and which I didn't say, and would suggest you reread what I wrote again. You are welcome to pm me if you still have questions after doing so. :)
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Pat Williams on July 09, 2010, 08:04:44 AM


By the way 3D..I'm still waiting.
I apologize for that. I have been preoccupied and busy, and I confess it is harder than I thought it would be to locate all. (For example; I am still attempting to track down all the correspondence between Johann Thorvaldsson and Danny Shelton so I can post it in consecutive order) Perhaps you could be more specific as to what it is you have questions about and I could find related posts and emails with that in mind, first. Also, as Johann released or published all, I am sure he has copies, of all the emails, both those between he and DS and those between he and Dr A, and those between he and LS-- all in order. If he supplied them it would be much easier for both of us.

In the meantime, I  did find this already, and Johann's "story" refers to all 3 things which I stated were his only first person accounts, and the rest which he got from Linda. I will wait for a further reply from you before posting more, ok?


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THE STORY OF LINDA SHELTON

By Johann Thorvaldsson

Former 3ABN liaison for Europe

It is a fact that Linda Shelton has been fired - and Danny Shelton has told his version of events to the World audience. He warned us not to listen to rumors, so what are the facts of this heart- breaking experience? Unfortunately Linda Shelton has been judged and dismissed from the establishment she loved and helped build up - on the basis of rumors. Facts that have been twisted, embroidered and presented as real. This is quite a complicated matter. A few weeks ago I was in Southern Illinois, wanting to attend the camp meeting at 3ABN, together with a Norwegian medical doctor - the one Linda has been accused of committing spiritual adultery with. We went there in an attempt to clear up misunderstandings, all caused because my wife and I introduced this doctor to Danny and Linda Shelton. This doctor is also the head elder of the most flourishing conservative SDA church in Norway - and has for several years been a financial supporter of 3ABN. Some of the problems were caused because the 3ABN archives had misspelled the name of this supporter, so Danny was convinced he was an impostor. Later Danny has named him a devil, a demon, or evil spirit, or bad counselor - like he did during the transmission to the whole world on Thursday evening at Camp Meeting. Also during that meeting we were requested to leave the premises of 3ABN, and if we ever showed up again at the meetings the police would be requested to remove us as trespassing private property - and this at meetings where all are invited.

What is our crime? While my wife, Irmgard, and I were staying at 3ABN in December 2003, this doctor came to visit us, both to check Irmgard's illness and to see the studios of the ministry he was supporting and was a great fan of. Linda came to see us, and later she brought her son along, who had problems with drugs and related things. Nathan had been reluctant to see any other doctor, but a lasting friendship between the doctor and this young man was kindled. Many of his patients are young athletes, so he is used todealing with young people. The doctor invited Nathan to come and stay in Norway and receive treatments at his clinic for a month. Nathan brought his girlfriend along, and later Linda and Brenda Walsh spent 3 days there to check on things - and I had a visit with them too while they were there. At that time Nathan had merely been there for 10 days, and I did not recognize him when I saw him. He was a completely transformed person.

So after Linda returned to the States she'd call to find out how it was going with her son. Danny told me himself that he considered that if a married woman talks for more than 10 or 12 minutes with another man on the phone she'd be committing spiritual adultery - so these phone calls first branded Linda as an adulteress. And from there the ball has kept rolling with more and more accusations. Mark Finlay was willing to assist in coming to an understanding, but his offer was unacceptable to the 3ABN lawyer. Both the lawyer and the pastor urged me to stay out of this case and not support Linda. They claimed I'd soon be left out in the cold with no friends at all if I'd continue supporting Linda in her plight.

Can you imagine our Lord Jesus Christ telling me not to come to the aid of this frail woman because I'd be left out in the cold without friends? I have never heard such a statement before coming from people who are supposed to be the spiritual leaders of this great ministry. Is it any wonder that the support of 3ABN is dwindling?

With such men at the helm who make it their business and main concern to condemn Linda, is it any wonder that Linda seeks the support of her close friends - and also calls the doctor who was so kind to her son?  Of course it might have avoided some misunderstandings and confusions if that doctor had been a woman. But what does the Apostle tell us? "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Those two people have been branded before the whole world as adulterers, and you name it. I never dreamt such atrocities could take place at my favorite ministry, 3ABN

Now the woes of Linda Shelton are not hers alone any more. I was fired too, because I supported Linda. Officially it was because I refused to obey orders from my superiors at 3ABN. But I am fortunate that I get my sustentation from the church where I started my ministry more than 50 years ago. Even though I love the ministry of 3ABN, I serve the God of heaven and the God of Truth. Derrell Mundall, the father of Danny Shelton's grandchildren, who has served 3ABN faithfully for many years, has also been fired. What is his crime? He was too close and he knows the truth, and shared his knowledge with others. He supports Linda. He had no other employment when he was dismissed from 3ABN, so pray that he may soon find another fruitful ministry where he can use his talents. He chose truth instead of a steady employment, as so many other believers have done in the past.  Before Derrell was fired he was told that he must remember it was Danny who received the vision from God to build this TV station. Therefore, he was told, he must regard the words of Danny Shelton as being the words of God. Long before Linda's dismissal, Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to help Linda manage after being fired. She was also supposed to interview staff members to find a good reason to fire her, so one wonders what really is behind this upheaval?

Danny mentioned a number of counselors who had helped the board come to the conclusion that she should be dismissed. You can ask Linda, but I don't think she ever talked to most of those counselors. In fact even before her dismissal she felt treated like a criminal when she approached the premises of 3ABN and was not permitted to enter without close supervision. The present general staff at 3ABN is probably not permitted to ask Linda any question. If anyone wants a contact to keep up their close friendship with Linda they have to write their note on a postcard, submit it to the leaders who will forward it to Linda. Such are the present premises of this woman whose ministry has meant so much to thousands of viewers, and who will not see her any more on the screen - as long as the present leadership has it their way.

Pray for 3ABN. Pray for justice. Pray for justice also for Linda.
Miracles still take place.
Christian regards.

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This letter was sent to the owner of the BSDA forum, and he subsequently published it.

Dear Calvin,

I have become aware that your site published Johann Thorvaldsson's article about "The Story of Linda Shelton."

Since I am mentioned in that article, I thought you might be interested in publishing a response to correct the misinformation given about my involvement.

If you need to call me, my # is xxx-xxx-xxxx.

Thank you.
Kay Kuzma

Here is my statement:

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To those who may question my involvement with 3ABN and the circumstances which led up to Linda Shelton leaving 3ABN:

Yes, I was involved in what happened at 3ABN concerning Linda however the internet article in which you read about my involvement titled "The Story of Linda Shelton" by Johann Thorvaldsson, is saturated with the writer's biased personal perceptions and has very little to do with what actually happened. I was there – I know.

Rather than address each falsehood, which would be too time consuming, I will simply address the three major errors concerning me:

Here is what was printed about me: "Long before Linda's dismissal, Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to help Linda manage after being fired. She was also supposed to interview staff members to find a good reason to fire her, so one wonders what really is behind this upheaval?"

Here is what actually happened:

1) I was not brought in early – in fact, I was brought in during the last six weeks after Danny and Linda had been in months of counseling with professionals – with Linda still refusing to follow what the counselors suggested, i.e., unanimously the counselors told her that she would have to give up her relationship with the doctor in Norway who she was spending up to six hours each day talking with.

2) I was not brought in to help Linda "manage" after she was fired – she was never fired. The committee I was on (and later the Board) repeatedly gave her opportunity to talk with them trying to bring resolution and restoration to both her ministry at 3ABN and her marriage. She refused at every point. There was never discussion concerning "firing" Linda when I became involved – only a discussion on how to help her. There was such a concern for Linda's reputation that the entire Board was not initially notified about the situation until it became an absolute necessity to do so. I was on a small committee of two Board members, the 3ABN attorney, and myself. The small committee's discussion centered on how to save Linda for ministry. Linda talked to me one time and refused any further contact I tried to make with her.

3) I was NOT asked by 3ABN to interview staff concerning Linda. Linda, herself, asked me to talk with the staff. She even gave me the specific names of the people she wanted me to talk with. The results from the interviews with the employees Linda suggested weren't flattering to her. When I tried to get back with her, she refused to answer my calls.

The overwhelming error in Mr. Thorvaldsson's account of the events surrounding Linda Shelton's departure from 3ABN gives witness to the fact that his observation was from many thousands of miles away and only receiving his information from the two involved in the duplicity.

Hopefully it has become apparent to you, as I pointed out the error contained in these three lines alone, that this entire article is full of misinformation. If you would like specific answers to any other point, I'll be happy to share. God is good and truth will prevail even though there are those who are trying to stir up controversy.

I believe the most important thing to understand is that eventually the fruit of a person's decisions will become evident. Although I will not comment further about what happened to lead up to Linda's departure from 3ABN, we know that the other man had been to the States and spent time with Linda before she left Danny, and that immediately after she left Danny, the other man was with Linda. A few weeks later they spent time traveling together through Europe.

Please remember, 3ABN is not Danny or Linda's ministry – it is God's, and every day we all see incredible miracles as God is moving

His ministry forward. It's been a very difficult time – as we all love Linda and recognize how much God used her in her role as co-host with Danny. God truly gifted her with the ability to write beautiful songs that have been a tremendous blessing to thousands.

Thanks for remembering 3ABN in your prayers – and thanks for not sharing Mr. Thorvaldsson's article with anyone else – since I know you don't want to be a part of spreading misinformation.

Sincerely,
Kay Kuzma

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From: "Walt Thompson"
To: ....
Subject: Re: 3abn


Dear ....

Thank you for your e mail sharing your frustrations with 3ABN. It is understandable that you may feel frustrated regarding the breakup of Danny and Linda. You are not alone. Had the devil sought a more effective place to point his fatal arrow, he could not have found one. He aimed at its heart, and made a direct hit. However, like the promise in Genesis 3:15, though 3ABN has been wounded, it has risen again, and stronger than ever. Praise the Lord.

Let me summarize some of the events as viewed from my perspective during the past couple years. Perhaps it will allow you to view things a bit differently.

Though we have attempted to keep the leaders of the church attuned to what has been transpiring at 3ABN, we have not said much publicly for Linda's sake. We all still care about Linda, and know she must be hurting terribly.

A little more than two years ago a live television program aired on 3abn from Green Bay, Wisconsin. During that program Linda told of meeting a special person that had changed her life. She did not give the name or the sex of that person, but we later learned that he was listening in Norway. A few months earlier, a doctor visited 3ABN from Norway. He found out about Linda's son being hooked on drugs and told Linda that if he would come to his place in Norway for a month, he would be cured. Arrangements were made and Nathan went there in Feb. 04. While there Linda and one of her closest friends went to visit and spent 3 days with them. During this time Linda and the doctor struck up a relationship that her friend became very concerned about, and eventually came to the place where she decided she needed to speak out. I have heard that testimony. I will not describe it in detail, but it was described as much more than the usual doctor - client relationship. One of the things was that Linda had made arrangements to meet the doctor in Norway to spend 10 days with him touring the pretty places in the country during the following June.

In early March Danny called me. He was very distraught as he told me what Linda was doing. I immediately traveled to 3abn to find out for myself, and for the next two to three months was there for a few days almost every week. During this time I and a small committee of the board had a number of sessions with Linda, encouraging her to break off the relationship that was ruining her home and putting a serious strain on the ministry. Pastor John L. was one of the first to counsel Linda. >From the start, before meeting with Danny and Linda together he warned Linda that what she was doing was wrong, and must stop. He then spent hours counseling the two of them together. I am not sure how many other sessions were had. When I arrived, I arranged for Pastor John, Linda and Danny and I to meet together. We met, talked and prayed. Both Danny and Linda were anointed, and committed to God to do what was right. Linda promised us to cut off the relationship. Not long (I don't remember the length of time, but probably less than an hour) she was secretly on the phone to Norway with the doctor again. We had other sessions with her where she reluctantly made similar agreements, but usually said she was not going to give him up until she was sure Danny would stop interfering in her affairs - as if it was Danny's fault they were having trouble. On one occasion I was able to get the doctor on the phone. I begged him to break of the relationship. He told me he would not. We arranged for Danny and Linda to visit a marriage counselor couple out of state. They were not Adventist, but devout Christians of another faith. They were chosen so that Linda could not claim that they were biased, if Adventist. Danny and Linda spent eight hours with the counselors. They were the one's who told Linda she was committing "spiritual adultery" and that it was wrong and must be stopped at once. She made excuses, said she was doing nothing wrong. They warned her that the way she was going it would soon become physical.

Our committee of the board invited a lady friend of Linda's to sit with us, thinking that, being a woman, she would be able to make Linda comfortable. As soon as she heard Linda's story, she confided to Linda that she was wrong, and needed to correct the problem. Linda requested her to query some of the 3ABN leadership to hear their views. she did this, only to find that Linda used the negative feedback she received as evidence she was not a friend to her cause. Linda would not talk to her again - the same as she had done to the friend that went with her to Norway.

Meanwhile, all during this time, Linda was spending long hours on the phone with the doctor on international calls using phone cards, credit cards, etc. We have records of those cards and can verify the amount of time spent. Some calls were overheard by Danny when she did not know he was around. Whereas she says that she was discussing her son, the calls were, in fact not about her son, but were very personal. Arrangements were made, and tickets purchased to meet him in Florida. (We have evidence such a meeting did indeed take place) When that was discovered, they planned to meet in Las Vegas, and New York. And as you might expect, Danny was by this time checking things out pretty carefully. One night she came home all cheery. While she and Danny were getting ready for bed, she left to do something else (I have forgotten what). While out, Danny found a sack of things in the closet. Upon opening it, he found a pregnancy test kit. (He is "fixed" so he cannot have more children.) When she found out that he had discovered it, she was at first angry because he had "snooped" in her things, and then told him she had just purchased it to see his reaction. We also have evidence that the doctor had given her an expensive wristwatch. [ http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/actual-watch-pictures.html ]

While this was going on, Linda refusing to give up the doctor, and Danny not willing to live with a third party disrupting things, they began talking divorce. Linda's mother lived in Las Vegas (I think) and Linda began making plans to move there long enough to gain residency status and then was going to get a divorce. Discovering the possibility of getting a divorce through Guan, they jointly agreed. Danny was driven by several factors. One, she was not about to be faithful to him. She was running up huge credit card debts on joint accounts making him responsible for paying them off, and he was concerned about 3ABN and the effect the situation was causing on the ministry. It simply could not continue the way things were going. Though I and the board did not get involved in the marriage, we were very much concerned about the ministry.

All the while, this was taking a real toll on the ministry. Work was not getting done. The employees were pulled in both directions. Finally, I sent Linda a registered letter (she was not answering my e mails or phone calls). In it I told her that we were offering to send her away for counseling to a place and with people mutually acceptable. I told her that if she would not accept our offer and find help to get rid of the doctor, we would have to consider removing her from her positions. She did not respond to my letter.

At camp meeting time (the end of May), we also had a board meeting. On Friday night of camp meeting, the doctor and Johann (our European representative before this all developed) came and sat in the back row. Danny was very uncomfortable with them there, fearful they would make a scene on international television. He asked us to ask them to leave. They refused. They walked out just as the meeting was ending. I and some other people went out after them. When we got outside, Johann grabbed me by the shirt and started to shake me in anger. When other bigger people came to my support, he calmed down, and we all talked together for a half hour or so - I am not sure of the total time. In the meantime, Mark Finley spoke with the doctor. I joined them for a few minutes. While I was with Mark and the doctor, something was said that upset Johann, and he and the doctor left, angry and fast, spinning dirt as they left. Because they had begun to hand out papers of a proposed article they were planning to submit to the local newspaper discrediting 3ABN, we warned them not to come back.

The next day, Sabbath, we got hold of Johann by phone and he agreed to meet with us at a park and talk things out. The doctor was also invited, but he said he had said all he had to say the night before, and refused to come. We spent an hour or two with Johann, going over all of the events until then. Finally, I took him to the hotel where they were staying. We sat in the car and talked for some time. At that time he confessed to me that maybe he was wrong in supporting Linda. We had prayer and parted. The three of them left and returned to Springfield shortly after that.

Linda did not come to the board meeting on Sunday morning. She sent a letter instead. The board considered her letter carefully in light of all that had gone on, and unanimously agreed that she could no longer serve the ministry under these conditions, nor continue to serve on the board. (We have since been accused of refusing to let the doctor and Johann represent her at the board. No such request was ever made, either by voice or by pen.)

Linda did go to Norway for her ten-day vacation with the doctor in June. We know that. There have been many other trips back and forth by both of them since.

Linda said on her web site recently that I had told Johann a year before that I had never accused her of adultery. She was correctly quoting a portion of my statement to Johann, but what she did not bother to say is that I was defending 3ABN against an accusation that we had fired her for adultery. I was merely telling him that it was for defiance of her board that she was let go, not because of adultery, an accusation, it is true, I never stated. As you can see from the few things I have included here, we have had ample evidence to suggest adultery, but it is true, we have not seen the two of them in bed together.

Our position on the board all through this process was to take the high road and not to tell things like this to the public, attempting to protect Linda from even more hurt that she was doing to herself. In all of our public statements, we have tried to be discrete. To protect the ministry from a public confrontation, we also gave Linda a good settlement with the agreement that she would not bad mouth 3ABN. And while she has partially fulfilled her obligation, her "friends" have kept the pot boiling - contrary to her agreement.

She wrote on her web site in March that they were not divorced, that the Guam divorce was being contested. It is interesting to know that this was posted on the web site after (or about the time that) the judge's decision had been made in favor of Danny. It is also interesting that the only reason she filed suit against Danny was to get more money from him than they had agreed upon originally. One might wonder why she would file for a new divorce if it had been Danny that had insisted on it in the first place as she alleges!

Sometime fairly early on during this experience, Linda began to accuse Danny of abusing her. She told people she was afraid to stay home with him for fear he would take his gun and hurt her. On a number of occasions during their discussions she would go off in a huff to stay with her daughter in Springfield (two hours away). On at least one of those occasions, I was on the phone with Danny when she was preparing to leave, and I heard nothing suggesting abuse of any kind. I will admit that at first, Danny was "in her face" an awfully lot trying to get her to stop talking with the doctor. This stopped after their visit with the counselors. We believe that the Dr. advised Linda to use the "abuse" language to justify their relationship - and have good evidence upon which this is based. I believe it was during the GC session in Toronto when abuse was included among the justifications for divorce. If you know Danny at all, one thing he is not, is an abuser. Talk! Perhaps! But certainly not dangerous or physical.

Just to make this letter a bit more complete, let me tell you what I know about Danny's attempt to save Linda for himself - even after the divorce papers were signed. He paid off the remaining debt on her new car, her daughter's car, all of the credit cards, and other joint bills. He bought her interest in the house, helped her move to Southern Illinois, build a porch on her home there, gave her all of the things in their home including things that were really his. (He did these things with money obtained in a loan from a friend.) Over and over again he took her out to eat and did many other things to show how much he really cared for her. In fact, many of the employees and some of us on the board were concerned because of how she was leading him on and keeping him in turmoil. Over and over, she threatened him, saying, that if she was going down, she would bring him and the ministry down with him.

One more thing. Linda has said that she was not censured by her church. The fact is, her church did meet and confidentially went over all of the evidence they had, and wrote an 8 page letter outlining the reason they had to conclude that she was wrong. Rather than drop her from membership, out of concern for her, they agreed do a letter of censure.

As for Danny getting married, let me make a few more comments. Our board has been well informed on all of these things. We were the ones that unanimously let Linda go, as much as we all hated to take that step. We all love her, care about her, and continue to keep her in our prayers. We have also been fully informed about Danny and his new-found friend. I was at 3ABN the day she and her two girls arrived from Florida with all they possessed. I shared some peanut butter and grapes that I had left over as I was about to return home. My heart went out to them. Danny's eventually did too. They are really nice people who have a heart for Jesus and for hurting people. She has had a hard life. (Her twin sister is dead.) There relationship has grown since that day more than a year ago. (Contrary to rumor, there was no relationship going before that!) A number of the staff and some of us on the board advised Danny to "cool it." He tried. But Danny is a people person. He needs people around him. I have concluded that Brandy came to 3abn at the direction of either the devil or the Holy Spirit. I have had no trouble deciding which. I believe God has given Danny just what he has needed to continue to serve that ministry with the power and enthusiasm that is characteristic to him. He loves the Lord supremely, and seeks His guidance in all things. What you see of Danny on television is who he is. He is not a fake. Yes, he is human. He has human tendencies, just like you and I. Just because he is on television does not automatically take away those personal drives.

Before Danny married Brandy, our board met by conference call and went over the evidence again. It was our conclusion based upon the information we have, only some of which I have shared here, that Danny was morally free to re-marry if he wished. We were all concerned about the timing, but did not feel that was a just reason for condemning the action. Those of Church leadership with whom we have shared these things agree with our decision.

In all of the Bible, I have not been able to find a single instance where God had a prophet condemn any one for anything that was not either illegal or immoral. As our board, and leaders of the church, have carefully examined the evidence, we find nothing for which to condemn Danny either. As regarding age difference, I find nothing in the Bible or the SOP that speaks to this issue. You may remember Elder Archo Dart, a General Conference officer doing family counseling during the fifties. He married a patient of mine who was at least 20 years younger when he was in his late 70's. They had an excellent marriage. Teddy, his new wife, loved every minute of their time together - as she told me. They are both dead now.

Linda, in spite of what I have noted above, refuses to acknowledge that what she was doing was wrong - nor is she telling the facts as they happened. It is one thing to forgive and forget, but is altogether something else when one is unable to acknowledge wrong doing. Yes, and I truly would like to know what Jesus would have done differently. As I see it, we gave Linda every imaginable opportunity to remain and work with 3ABN - except for one condition. When she refused, what more is one to do? Jesus was patient with Judas too, but He did not prevent Judas from doing what he did.

For my part, I have asked God for wisdom to guide in all that we have done. I have insisted at every step that we do everything in a way that could never be honestly faulted. I believe God has honored our desire, and blessed the ministry beyond measure because we have tried so hard to be faithful. You may remember that even God lost some of his best friends (Lucifer, Ananias and Saphira and others). It hurts. But sometimes one must act to stop bad things - even when it hurts!

I hope this helps to clear the confusion. NO ONE at 3ABN wanted to get rid of Linda, least of all, Danny. I don't think there are very many people that would condemn Danny for not waiting longer to agree to divorce if they had been there and witnessed the situation. Even God has limits to His tolerance. If you have further questions or need further evidence, please let me know.

Sincerely in Jesus' precious name,
Walter Thompson MD
Chairman, 3ABN Board

( My editing was due to the quotes not being correctly formatted.)
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: GRAT on July 09, 2010, 10:54:43 AM
So am I 3-D.  But them I am not anybody that anybody would care about so why should you have to answer my question.
To the contrary,you are somebody, Christ died for you, and  I do care about you, and am not going to post answers to your questions publicly whether you agree with my reasons or not. Sorry.. As to what those questions are, well I think they may be based on things you have assumed and which I didn't say, and would suggest you reread what I wrote again. You are welcome to pm me if you still have questions after doing so. :)

I don't need to reread what you wrote.  I want you to just simply admit that you went digging around on the internet to get the information on the names of my children and my mother.  That I did NOT post the information here or on any other forum.  You DID say that you knew the names of my children and my mother.  I did not assume that.  Do you need a quote?  Admit that and I will let it go.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on July 09, 2010, 11:35:20 AM
3D, I believe the question was about Johann's involvement in the matter that related to Linda.  It seems that you said he had little involvement, or something, and I asked you if y that is what Danny told you, and then asked if you could prove that.  Again, thank you for responding.
Before it starts again, and posters start protesting their outrage that 3ABN suggested counselors for Linda or in the alternative that she choose her own that they could also agree to. I would like to add here, that this was due to Linda herself saying she needed help and someone to talk to as she claimed her phone calls with  Dr A, after starting about Nathan progressed to talking to him about her problems at 3ABN and getting counsel from him about her marriage etc.

Linda Shelton:
" Since Dr. Abrahamsen lived 6,000 miles away, and "the problem" involved some high profile people, I felt this was the best option. Typically I do not believe it is proper to speak regularly to people of the opposite sex when one is married. However, I do believe in a crisis situation the rules change. One must get help where one can find it."



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------- Original Message --------
From: Walt Thompson
To: Johann Thorvaldsson
Subject: 3abn
Date: May 2004

...

As you can confirm, I have not expressed any judgments about Dr. Abrahamson other than to say that he is in the wrong for continuing a relationship, even a doctor-patient relationship, that is destroying the very thing he is trying to save. Having said that, a continuation of communication between Europe and Linda will place the board in a place where we must deal with an insubordinate member of the organization. She has been asked on numerous occasions to discontinue the relationship, first by her husband who is also her superior in ministry, by her pastor, by her board chairman, and now by the committee of the board created to seek resolution. Likewise, both you and Dr. Abrahamson have defied our requests to cease communication with Linda. While I can forgive this action on the mistaken belief that it is helping Linda, there comes a point when defiance must be dealt with lest it destroy the whole organization. If you are so concerned about Linda, and I believe you are, you will encourage her to get help here and break off the relationship there. Certainly there are people in America that can give her the help she needs
....


This email and letter were apparently furnished by Linda Shelton and published on the Save 3ABN website and also on BSDA and several other internet forums.

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From: Walt Thompson
To: [Alyssa]
Subject: Letter for Linda
Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 21:43:07 -0500

May, 4, 2004

Walter Thompson MD
Chairman of 3ABN Board of Directors
- address removed -
...

Dear Linda,
...

Since this time is recommended as a time for reflection and serious rehabilitation we are requesting that you arrange to receive professional help relating to the issues at hand. We are recommending Ron and Nancy Rocky to you. They have agreed to open their home to you and to give you personal help in dealing with the issues at the center of the present problems. It will be private and protected from the public eye such that neither your image nor reputation ought be damaged. Should you choose different professional help, it must be acceptable to this committee....
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 09, 2010, 02:38:13 PM
Yes, I think they could have. Linda doesn't appear to have done anything with them. Now the styling and look of them is outdated and I doubt they would do very well anymore.

Well if your opinion is correct then the  music videos "that were gaining significant national attention" and "would have done well outside the SDA circles"  can still do well, "George", and should have already been. Linda has the rights to them, and has had that for 6 years now, and has also been receiving the income from selling that CD on her website the entire time. The one you claim "was outselling all the Shelton CDs." Good for her.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 12, 2010, 04:31:24 PM
NO, I didn't, I heard he was very good, though.  He has been to our church, and I wasn't impressed.  LOL!!!!


Oh, and Di if your reading this, did you hear Abraham Jules out of New York! (smile)  I think Jules really picked a good topic for His sermon. combined the whole kit and caboodle on our differance in views and the views of all visitors of all the different religions that were there. I thought that was well chosen.

edited for spelling.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 12, 2010, 05:07:47 PM
NO, I didn't, I heard he was very good, though.  He has been to our church, and I wasn't impressed.  LOL!!!!


Oh, and Di if your reading this, did you hear Abraham Jules out of New York! (smile)  I think Jules really picked a good topic for His sermon. combined the whole kit and caboodle on our differance in views and the views of all visitors of all the different religions that were there. I thought that was well chosen.

edited for spelling.


I thought how he brought out the "eating of unclean" pertaining to giving the gospel to the gentiles and ending up with racism not allowed.  He got pretty hyper in the end but his message I thought very good since all the other denominations were there to hear that understanding where they think and use those verses to eat pork.
What don't you like about him, I am curious.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 13, 2010, 02:50:43 AM

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This letter was sent to the owner of the BSDA forum, and he subsequently published it.

Dear Calvin,

I have become aware that your site published Johann Thorvaldsson's article about "The Story of Linda Shelton."

Since I am mentioned in that article, I thought you might be interested in publishing a response to correct the misinformation given about my involvement.

If you need to call me, my # is xxx-xxx-xxxx.

Thank you.
Kay Kuzma

Here is my statement:

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To those who may question my involvement with 3ABN and the circumstances which led up to Linda Shelton leaving 3ABN:

Yes, I was involved in what happened at 3ABN concerning Linda however the internet article in which you read about my involvement titled "The Story of Linda Shelton" by Johann Thorvaldsson, is saturated with the writer's biased personal perceptions and has very little to do with what actually happened. I was there – I know.

Rather than address each falsehood, which would be too time consuming, I will simply address the three major errors concerning me:

Here is what was printed about me: "Long before Linda's dismissal, Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to help Linda manage after being fired. She was also supposed to interview staff members to find a good reason to fire her, so one wonders what really is behind this upheaval?"

Here is what actually happened:

1) I was not brought in early – in fact, I was brought in during the last six weeks after Danny and Linda had been in months of counseling with professionals – with Linda still refusing to follow what the counselors suggested, i.e., unanimously the counselors told her that she would have to give up her relationship with the doctor in Norway who she was spending up to six hours each day talking with.

2) I was not brought in to help Linda "manage" after she was fired – she was never fired. The committee I was on (and later the Board) repeatedly gave her opportunity to talk with them trying to bring resolution and restoration to both her ministry at 3ABN and her marriage. She refused at every point. There was never discussion concerning "firing" Linda when I became involved – only a discussion on how to help her. There was such a concern for Linda's reputation that the entire Board was not initially notified about the situation until it became an absolute necessity to do so. I was on a small committee of two Board members, the 3ABN attorney, and myself. The small committee's discussion centered on how to save Linda for ministry. Linda talked to me one time and refused any further contact I tried to make with her.

3) I was NOT asked by 3ABN to interview staff concerning Linda. Linda, herself, asked me to talk with the staff. She even gave me the specific names of the people she wanted me to talk with. The results from the interviews with the employees Linda suggested weren't flattering to her. When I tried to get back with her, she refused to answer my calls.

The overwhelming error in Mr. Thorvaldsson's account of the events surrounding Linda Shelton's departure from 3ABN gives witness to the fact that his observation was from many thousands of miles away and only receiving his information from the two involved in the duplicity.

Hopefully it has become apparent to you, as I pointed out the error contained in these three lines alone, that this entire article is full of misinformation. If you would like specific answers to any other point, I'll be happy to share. God is good and truth will prevail even though there are those who are trying to stir up controversy.

I believe the most important thing to understand is that eventually the fruit of a person's decisions will become evident. Although I will not comment further about what happened to lead up to Linda's departure from 3ABN, we know that the other man had been to the States and spent time with Linda before she left Danny, and that immediately after she left Danny, the other man was with Linda. A few weeks later they spent time traveling together through Europe.

Please remember, 3ABN is not Danny or Linda's ministry – it is God's, and every day we all see incredible miracles as God is moving

His ministry forward. It's been a very difficult time – as we all love Linda and recognize how much God used her in her role as co-host with Danny. God truly gifted her with the ability to write beautiful songs that have been a tremendous blessing to thousands.

Thanks for remembering 3ABN in your prayers – and thanks for not sharing Mr. Thorvaldsson's article with anyone else – since I know you don't want to be a part of spreading misinformation.

Sincerely,
Kay Kuzma

This statement by Kay Kuzma, as well as several of the statements made by Dr. Walt Thompson suffer greatly by their lack of memory - and where they make use of that I cannot verify what those people have told me while talking to them on the phone.

While this was going on I had a 45 minute phone conversation with Kay Kuzma where she told me several things which contradict what she says in her statement. Perhaps I should not blame her? Perhaps she was later so influenced by all of the stories she was told by Danny Shelton that she completely forgot what she had said to me on the phone?

Same thing goes for Walt Thompson. Both of them have later refused to acknowledge what they told me privately. Is that the Christian thing to do?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 13, 2010, 03:21:07 PM
Well, I had heard he was a very good speaker, and when he came, he saw me before going up to the rostrum, and was very nice and down to earth.  However, when he got into the pulpit, he was this raving ego maniac. The message ended up being all about him.  This was very puzzling as I had heard form everyone what a great speaker he was.  Several told our pastor, who also thought it strange, but he never invited him back  

I thought how he brought out the "eating of unclean" pertaining to giving the gospel to the gentiles and ending up with racism not allowed.  He got pretty hyper in the end but his message I thought very good since all the other denominations were there to hear that understanding where they think and use those verses to eat pork.
What don't you like about him, I am curious.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 13, 2010, 04:32:20 PM
At the end of his sermon at GC I can understand how that would happen with his ending. I am surprised they had him speak then. It was sort of strange though because at the end the camera rested on the people i audience and I noticed them shaking their head and laughing. But I still thought it was a good topic with all other denominations and the understanding of the clean and unclean. But it is obvious you already been there and heard it.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 13, 2010, 05:32:24 PM
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In her search for answers Linda sought counsel from three Christians in the maturity of their lives: a retired pastor and his wife, Johann and Irmgard Thorvaldsson, who were to become her best friends and surrogate parents; and the professional counsel of a respected Christian physician, Dr. Arild Abrahamsen, who would later become a trusted friend. In the midst of this upheaval, she would be in contact with all three of them. Together they would share the information Linda had given them and prayerfully sought for ways to help her: through their combined knowledge of Scripture, Christian experience and medicine. Because of the nature of the accusations against her, the possible mental health issues in regard to her husband and the lack of support from her local church Pastor, Linda felt more secure sharing the confidential details of her ordeal with individuals who were mature both in years and spiritual experience. She related her experiences to them as they unfolded.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 13, 2010, 07:47:23 PM
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Chapter 1
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Based upon her trusting nature, Linda began searching for a possible answer to the riddle of Danny's changing behavior. Knowing there was a history of mental illness within his family, she questioned if that could be the explanation for the sudden shift in  attitude toward her.  She didn't even want to entertain the other possible solution that came to mind so reluctantly:  Danny was lying to her and everyone else, that another woman was intimately involved and he was trying to rid himself of her. Linda chose not to even consider  the possibility that Danny would do anything that could possibly bring harm to the ministry they had built together. Unfortunately her faith in her husband would prove to be unwarranted and both she and others would become  pawns in a dangerous game of deception.





Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 14, 2010, 10:30:20 AM
You know mrst, there were no guns, etc.  However, I think the circumstances of emotional and mental abuse are in play.  WT, 3ABN board, and her own pastor were believing DS accusations, no matter what she did to deny them.  They acted on his accusations, leaving her without a job, home, etc.  What else was she supposed to do.

About the authorities.......well, LS did herself a great disservice by not having proper or maybe even no legal representation during that time..  She signed the gag order, and started to live by those condidtions..............expecting DS to do the same, but he talked about it every chance he got....sigh...............at that point, that would be her only income, and it seems to her thinking her only way to at least survive.  I, personally, would have called a high profile divorce attorney.....Gloria Allred would have been my choice....and got ALL I deserved.  LS did not, and then tried much too late to overturn the Guam quickie divorce.  Sad story.


I still never got an answer as to how Walt Thompson could make LS leave the state. Did he use a gun?, Blackmail? If he used these methods and Linda did not trust the local police, surely she could have gone to the State Police, the State Attorney,the State Representatives, the Governor? Surely DS didn not have all of them in his pocket.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2010, 11:03:37 AM
Yes, definitely a sad story, Di. And it continues. Even today there is continual harassment, but let me not get into that. . . yet. Danny still has a key to her car. And he leaves things in there. . . .

You know mrst, there were no guns, etc.  However, I think the circumstances of emotional and mental abuse are in play.  WT, 3ABN board, and her own pastor were believing DS accusations, no matter what she did to deny them.  They acted on his accusations, leaving her without a job, home, etc.  What else was she supposed to do.

About the authorities.......well, LS did herself a great disservice by not having proper or maybe even no legal representation during that time..  She signed the gag order, and started to live by those condidtions..............expecting DS to do the same, but he talked about it every chance he got....sigh...............at that point, that would be her only income, and it seems to her thinking her only way to at least survive.  I, personally, would have called a high profile divorce attorney.....Gloria Allred would have been my choice....and got ALL I deserved.  LS did not, and then tried much too late to overturn the Guam quickie divorce.  Sad story.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 14, 2010, 11:21:17 AM
About the authorities.......well, LS did herself a great disservice by not having proper or maybe even no legal representation during that time..  She signed the gag order, and started to live by those condidtions..............expecting DS to do the same, but he talked about it every chance he got....sigh...............at that point, that would be her only income, and it seems to her thinking her only way to at least survive.  I, personally, would have called a high profile divorce attorney.....Gloria Allred would have been my choice....and got ALL I deserved.  LS did not, and then tried much too late to overturn the Guam quickie divorce.  Sad story.

Tiger Woods and Danny Shelton both wanted their ex-wives's to agree to not spill the beans on their ex-husbands as a condition for receiving money.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Harley on July 14, 2010, 11:50:07 AM
He does? I am new here but have a question about what you said. I hope that is all right.  What things does he leave in there? Can't she call the police and get him arrested and get her keys back? I would.

Yes, definitely a sad story, Di. And it continues. Even today there is continual harassment, but let me not get into that. . . yet. Danny still has a key to her car. And he leaves things in there. . . .

You know mrst, there were no guns, etc.  However, I think the circumstances of emotional and mental abuse are in play.  WT, 3ABN board, and her own pastor were believing DS accusations, no matter what she did to deny them.  They acted on his accusations, leaving her without a job, home, etc.  What else was she supposed to do.

About the authorities.......well, LS did herself a great disservice by not having proper or maybe even no legal representation during that time..  She signed the gag order, and started to live by those condidtions..............expecting DS to do the same, but he talked about it every chance he got....sigh...............at that point, that would be her only income, and it seems to her thinking her only way to at least survive.  I, personally, would have called a high profile divorce attorney.....Gloria Allred would have been my choice....and got ALL I deserved.  LS did not, and then tried much too late to overturn the Guam quickie divorce.  Sad story.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on July 14, 2010, 11:58:43 AM
I would have my car re-keyed. Doesn't she have a restraining order against this man? I'm sorry, but I would move out of state to get away from him- He's crazy- even if my family is still there, at some point, you have to bite the bullet and just leave for your own sanity.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2010, 12:59:22 PM
Back in 2003 I traveled with Linda, Danny, and Tommy Shelton in Europe. When we got to France Danny told his audience that he always travels on the airplanes with a Swizz army knife in his pocket, and until now he had always managed to get through the security with it - until he met the Danish security.  So now he did not have that special knife any more.

The God-fearing audience was thrilled to hear how this miracle man managed to break the law and get away with it. So it did not take long before his admirers had given him a couple of new similar knives. He promised them he would not get caught again. He even showed them the trick he used not to get caught by security.

So people seemed assured the good lord was on his side and admired the miracle maker. He has a very unique way of getting even the best of people getting excited about his way of doing things and feeling that Danny is exalted above all law and rules because he is proclaiming the truth through his TV network.

At that time even I thought it was just a good joke. Six months later I discovered it was not.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 14, 2010, 01:05:57 PM
Uh, I thought she lived quite a distance from him/3ABN?  He's stalking her?  Why?  Is he also stalking Brandy?  Mercy!  No wonder folks don't know whent hey have gone to far.  Where is the line, people?!!!

Yes, definitely a sad story, Di. And it continues. Even today there is continual harassment, but let me not get into that. . . yet. Danny still has a key to her car. And he leaves things in there. . . .

You know mrst, there were no guns, etc.  However, I think the circumstances of emotional and mental abuse are in play.  WT, 3ABN board, and her own pastor were believing DS accusations, no matter what she did to deny them.  They acted on his accusations, leaving her without a job, home, etc.  What else was she supposed to do.

About the authorities.......well, LS did herself a great disservice by not having proper or maybe even no legal representation during that time..  She signed the gag order, and started to live by those condidtions..............expecting DS to do the same, but he talked about it every chance he got....sigh...............at that point, that would be her only income, and it seems to her thinking her only way to at least survive.  I, personally, would have called a high profile divorce attorney.....Gloria Allred would have been my choice....and got ALL I deserved.  LS did not, and then tried much too late to overturn the Guam quickie divorce.  Sad story.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2010, 01:07:08 PM
I would have my car re-keyed. Doesn't she have a restraining order against this man? I'm sorry, but I would move out of state to get away from him- He's crazy- even if my family is still there, at some point, you have to bite the bullet and just leave for your own sanity.

Still fighting. . .   but somehow the miracle maker manages to drag things out. Nothing is normal in this case.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 14, 2010, 01:11:52 PM
Using the devil's tools to try to do the Lord's work!.  You know that never works! 

You know this does not surprise me.  I know right now of a church leader who has done some unethical, down right illegal stuff, and he has a band of followers just as content with him be shady as they can be!

Back in 2003 I traveled with Linda, Danny, and Tommy Shelton in Europe. When we got to France Danny told his audience that he always travels on the airplanes with a Swizz army knife in his pocket, and until now he had always managed to get through the security with it - until he met the Danish security.  So now he did not have that special knife any more.

The God-fearing audience was thrilled to hear how this miracle man managed to break the law and get away with it. So it did not take long before his admirers had given him a couple of new similar knives. He promised them he would not get caught again. He even showed them the trick he used not to get caught by security.

So people seemed assured the good lord was on his side and admired the miracle maker. He has a very unique way of getting even the best of people getting excited about his way of doing things and feeling that Danny is exalted above all law and rules because he is proclaiming the truth through his TV network.

At that time even I thought it was just a good joke. Six months later I discovered it was not.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2010, 01:17:46 PM
He does? I am new here but have a question about what you said. I hope that is all right.  What things does he leave in there? Can't she call the police and get him arrested and get her keys back? I would.

Welcome, good to see you here, Harley. Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Danny apparently does not do it himself. Who? Private Investigators? No need for a restraining order!!!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 14, 2010, 01:32:35 PM
The Dreamer
Chapter 1
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Linda knew Danny had two uncles that had suffered from mental illness and in searching her memory for additional clues in the Shelton family history, she recalled the stories Danny told about Grandpa Shelton. The one in particular that stood out in her mind was the whipping of his chickens. When Danny first told the story, Linda started to laugh. She could not seriously imagine anyone chasing chickens—with stick in hand ready to inflict justice—for the crime of  having a bad attitude and acting disrespectfully toward their master. The thought was so hilarious, how could it be true?  Who in their right mind would indulge in such ridiculous behavior?  As Linda looked up and saw the serious expression on her husband's face, she stopped laughing and realized this was no joke. Danny was simply recounting a part of the Shelton family history.

At the time she had thought to herself, “Well, everyone has a few quirky relatives”, and dismissed the thought that her husband would ever exhibit the same type of behavior. Later, when she saw Danny whipping the horses they raised, she was astonished to see the Shelton family history repeating itself in her husband, two generations later. Surprised and dismayed by the way he was handling the horses, she tried to gently tease him out of this behavior by calling him “Grandpa Shelton”. Hearing her comment, he laughed. He took pride in being a Shelton and accepted her gentle rebuke as a compliment. Danny felt justified in whipping his horses for having a bad attitude and acting disrespectfully toward him, exactly as he had witnessed Grandpa Shelton whipping his chickens for the same offences.

For Danny ownership was equated with certain rights and privileges. Among which are absolute control, obedience and a total lack of accountability to anyone other than himself. Within his realm, both privately and in the ministry he and Linda had built together,  his motives and behavior were beyond question. If he chose to abuse his horses or his wife, it was his prerogative. He owned them and  possession has its privilege: no accountability and Danny became a law unto himself. Once he removed Linda, there would no longer be that small voice that attempted to  stand in opposition against any potentially unethical choice he was about to implement. Remove Linda and remove the conscience from the administration of 3ABN. Danny’s choice to replace Linda in the administration of 3ABN, his brother, Tommy Shelton, an accused child molester. To replace Linda in the marital bed, a woman younger than his own daughter.





Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 14, 2010, 01:38:54 PM
Ok so one of them, TS, or DS is just crazy.  Johann, You are telling me that Danny is the one who has remarried, and about to be divorced again, but he still is tormenting LS.......Once again, is this what he does to everyone ex-wife?  Is he also stalking Brandy?  Are you all sure Linda is not imagining all of this?  Not that I put it passed Danny, it is a situation over which he thought he had full control and he didn't.  Control freaks almost never get over a thing like that, but still....are you all certain?  This sounds like a Hitchcock thriller...............     :o

Welcome, good to see you here, Harley. Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Danny apparently does not do it himself. Who? Private Investigators? No need for a restraining order!!!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 14, 2010, 02:08:25 PM
Di, I have no first-hand knowledge of Danny Shelton's third marriage. (Yes, Linda was his second.) Brandy is probably far from being as dangerous to him as he thinks Linda still is. I have really no idea what he is doing to Brandy.

I would not believe any normal person could do these things. Things are still being investigated.

Ok so one of them, TS, or DS is just crazy.  Johann, You are telling me that Danny is the one who has remarried, and about to be divorced again, but he still is tormenting LS.......Once again, is this what he does to everyone ex-wife?  Is he also stalking Brandy?  Are you all sure Linda is not imagining all of this?  Not that I put it passed Danny, it is a situation over which he thought he had full control and he didn't.  Control freaks almost never get over a thing like that, but still....are you all certain?  This sounds like a Hitchcock thriller...............     :o

Welcome, good to see you here, Harley. Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Danny apparently does not do it himself. Who? Private Investigators? No need for a restraining order!!!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 14, 2010, 08:14:35 PM
Johann, You are telling me that Danny is the one who has remarried, and about to be divorced again, but he still is tormenting LS.......

Danny and Brandy's divorce was final around June 3, I believe.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Nosir Myzing on July 15, 2010, 06:42:03 AM
Di, I have no first-hand knowledge of Danny Shelton's third marriage. (Yes, Linda was his second.) Brandy is probably far from being as dangerous to him as he thinks Linda still is. I have really no idea what he is doing to Brandy.

I would not believe any normal person could do these things either, nor I hope would any rational being.

 So, you believe Danny drives, 6 !/2 hrs or more  from his place to Linda's to harrass her with this little piddly stuff? Why? Do you think he did so for 6 years while married to Brandy?

This is just bizarre. of course that  window of opportunity can be defined by comparing his schedule, and documenting his activities, with her "reports" so shouldn't be hard to prove or disprove. Even if you claim it isn't him but is a "P.I." instead, do you have a legitimate reason or documentation to support your claim of them doing such illegal activities? Or is this just more surmising and conjecture?

Things are still being investigated.

Dare I ask, by whom?  Are there police reports, Johann? Is this documented anywhere officially? Have you been told there is, or have you seen proof that there is? If not, why not?

Note: I am not asking you to provide any documents or to prove what you say. I am just asking you to answer why you are saying this, and answer with a simple yes or no, and explain.

Before you get outraged or take offense, yes, in asking that, I am presuming you got these reports from Linda based on what was previously reported by you and your own words about it that much of your understanding,claims and reports came via email and phone calls from Linda and others.

I admit that presumption could be wrong in this situation, so if it is , and you have received this information from others, or verified it in any way, Simply say so. - and please explain how you know what you are telling others to be fact, or what makes you believe it to be true. Again, you don't need to post documents, but please, at least, explain yourself.

Because seriously? this whole "sister story", with it's additions from you, reads like those novels and thrillers, Ellen White said to not waste our time on. (not to mention that whole gossip, tale bearing , false witness, and how to solve problems and not handle them part we are all warned about)

And IF what you claim, is true? Contrary to what you say, a restraining order is needed, and would be granted temporarily, pending a further hearing. Has that ever been done or even attempted?

Please answer.

Ok so one of them, TS, or DS is just crazy.  Johann, You are telling me that Danny is the one who has remarried, and about to be divorced again, but he still is tormenting LS.......Once again, is this what he does to everyone ex-wife?  Is he also stalking Brandy?  Are you all sure Linda is not imagining all of this?  Not that I put it passed Danny, it is a situation over which he thought he had full control and he didn't.  Control freaks almost never get over a thing like that, but still....are you all certain?  This sounds like a Hitchcock thriller...............     :o

Welcome, good to see you here, Harley. Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Danny apparently does not do it himself. Who? Private Investigators? No need for a restraining order!!!
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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 15, 2010, 07:42:15 AM
Di, I have no first-hand knowledge of Danny Shelton's third marriage. (Yes, Linda was his second.) Brandy is probably far from being as dangerous to him as he thinks Linda still is. I have really no idea what he is doing to Brandy.

I would not believe any normal person could do these things either, nor I hope would any rational being.
I never claimed any of this was done by a normal person either. Neither will I claim that the person who told me that one of his friends would provide funds to pay for Private Investigators to surround Linda as long as she is alive - that he is normal. But I do believe that he might have - for a change - been telling the truth when he said that.
Do I need to say any more?
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Note: I am not asking you to provide any documents or to prove what you say. I am just asking you to answer why you are saying this, and answer with a simple yes or no, and explain.

Before you get outraged or take offense, yes, in asking that, I am presuming you got these reports from Linda based on what was previously reported by you and your own words about it that much of your understanding,claims and reports came via email and phone calls from Linda and others.

I admit that presumption could be wrong in this situation, so if it is , and you have received this information from others, or verified it in any way, Simply say so. - and please explain how you know what you are telling others to be fact, or what makes you believe it to be true. Again, you don't need to post documents, but please, at least, explain yourself.

Because seriously? this whole "sister story", with it's additions from you, reads like those novels and thrillers, Ellen White said to not waste our time on. (not to mention that whole gossip, tale bearing , false witness, and how to solve problems and not handle them part we are all warned about)

And IF what you claim, is true? Contrary to what you say, a restraining order is needed, and would be granted temporarily, pending a further hearing. Has that ever been done or even attempted?

Please answer.

Welcome, good to see you here, Harley. Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Danny apparently does not do it himself. Who? Private Investigators? No need for a restraining order!!!
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As I stated above I received the most important clue from another person than Linda herself. That explains a lot. A lot that normal persons would never think of.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 15, 2010, 08:01:32 AM
And IF what you claim, is true? Contrary to what you say, a restraining order is needed, and would be granted temporarily, pending a further hearing. Has that ever been done or even attempted?

Please answer.
Ok so one of them, TS, or DS is just crazy. ...............     :o

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What good would a restraining order do when he is having other people doing it for him?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 15, 2010, 10:35:52 AM
The Dream
Chapter 1
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When Danny was growing up in the 1950's, family discipline was based upon the understanding that “to spare the rod, is to spoil the child”. Although the purpose was never to sanction abusive conduct within the home, it’s intent was to show the necessity of strict discipline for the benefit of a child’s character development. Unfortunately, for those with the background of Danny’s father, the above phrase would serve to justify his conduct in the excessive corporal disciplining of his children. This foundation of dysfunction that was passed on to the next generation from Grandpa Shelton and became the framework upon which Danny’s father built his own family disciplinary code. Danny has related to friends how his father, when he disapproved of his children’s actions, would "lift us up by the hair and whip us until we could not talk back to him".


Through observing Grandpa Shelton, young Danny learned by example to seek to rule, and to enforce his dictates through force or manipulation. Without the moral strength to restrain  temper, to correct wrong habits, or to subdue an uncontrolled will, Danny was to follow in the footsteps of his predecessors. Lacking the restraining control of a submissive relationship with God, a flawed intellect can not distinguish the line that divides acceptable discipline and abuse. Through time this division becomes less distinct as it is increasingly violated.  Forms the abuse can take may vary—physical, emotional, verbal or sexual—but the underlying motive is the same: C-O-N-T-R-O-L. In the final six months of their marriage Linda would encounter the full impact of Danny’s years of self-indulgence and his expertise in manipulation of the truth or total fabrication to serve his own desires and purpose.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: sonshineonme on July 15, 2010, 11:23:08 AM
I've seen and experienced first hand what's going on in her house and to her. I've been there. It's been going on steady for almost 6 years now. I've been with her as she has been going through this stuff and also witnessed it. SOMEONE wants her tormented, or wants her to appear crazy. She's not either. She is not easily riled at all, and those that truly know her know that. I think that's one reason it continues like a fly that won't get out of your face. Pushing you and pushing you to swat it.  



And IF what you claim, is true? Contrary to what you say, a restraining order is needed, and would be granted temporarily, pending a further hearing. Has that ever been done or even attempted?

Please answer.
Ok so one of them, TS, or DS is just crazy. ...............     :o

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What good would a restraining order do when he is having other people doing it for him?

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 15, 2010, 11:54:31 AM
I've seen and experienced first hand what's going on in her house and to her. I've been there. It's been going on steady for almost 6 years now. I've been with her as she has been going through this stuff and also witnessed it. SOMEONE wants her tormented, or wants her to appear crazy. She's not either. She is not easily riled at all, and those that truly know her know that. I think that's one reason it continues like a fly that won't get out of your face. Pushing you and pushing you to swat it.   

Thank you, this ought to convince some people that we are not writing fiction, and that Linda herself is not the only source of this information.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 15, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Nosir Myzing, Yes it is all unbelievable and seems to be life imitating art.  however, it is not the first time somethign so bizare was true in this unfortunate situation.  Then about EGW quote about wasting time with false witness, tale bearing, this whole thing was started Danny accusation of a sin that sisn't even exist......."spiritual adultery".

I would not believe any normal person could do these things either, nor I hope would any rational being.

 So, you believe Danny drives, 6 !/2 hrs or more  from his place to Linda's to harrass her with this little piddly stuff? Why? Do you think he did so for 6 years while married to Brandy?

This is just bizarre. of course that  window of opportunity can be defined by comparing his schedule, and documenting his activities, with her "reports" so shouldn't be hard to prove or disprove. Even if you claim it isn't him but is a "P.I." instead, do you have a legitimate reason or documentation to support your claim of them doing such illegal activities? Or is this just more surmising and conjecture?

Dare I ask, by whom?  Are there police reports, Johann? Is this documented anywhere officially? Have you been told there is, or have you seen proof that there is? If not, why not?

Note: I am not asking you to provide any documents or to prove what you say. I am just asking you to answer why you are saying this, and answer with a simple yes or no, and explain.

Before you get outraged or take offense, yes, in asking that, I am presuming you got these reports from Linda based on what was previously reported by you and your own words about it that much of your understanding,claims and reports came via email and phone calls from Linda and others.

I admit that presumption could be wrong in this situation, so if it is , and you have received this information from others, or verified it in any way, Simply say so. - and please explain how you know what you are telling others to be fact, or what makes you believe it to be true. Again, you don't need to post documents, but please, at least, explain yourself.

Because seriously? this whole "sister story", with it's additions from you, reads like those novels and thrillers, Ellen White said to not waste our time on. (not to mention that whole gossip, tale bearing , false witness, and how to solve problems and not handle them part we are all warned about)

And IF what you claim, is true? Contrary to what you say, a restraining order is needed, and would be granted temporarily, pending a further hearing. Has that ever been done or even attempted?

Please answer.

Ok so one of them, TS, or DS is just crazy.  Johann, You are telling me that Danny is the one who has remarried, and about to be divorced again, but he still is tormenting LS.......Once again, is this what he does to everyone ex-wife?  Is he also stalking Brandy?  Are you all sure Linda is not imagining all of this?  Not that I put it passed Danny, it is a situation over which he thought he had full control and he didn't.  Control freaks almost never get over a thing like that, but still....are you all certain?  This sounds like a Hitchcock thriller...............     :o

Welcome, good to see you here, Harley. Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Danny apparently does not do it himself. Who? Private Investigators? No need for a restraining order!!!
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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 15, 2010, 10:06:02 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
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As Linda’s popularity in the ministry continued to increase and Danny’s dwindled in comparison, she would became an increasingly heavy millstone hung upon his ego, an incumbrance that if no longer controllable, would need permanent removal. The only way that could be accomplished was through the denigration of Linda’s character. A charge of adultery would be the ideal solution to rid Danny of his perceived rival. It would ruin her popularity and reputation among the donors, and give Danny the sympathy to put him securely on the throne of 3ABN as an unchallenged ruler of his domain. There was only one problem.  Although Danny tried to nudge Linda in the direction of other men, she was not interested in anyone but her husband. This presented a problem, but not one that was insurmountable. If one was willing to sacrifice the truth and was cunning enough, black could become white, day could become night and Linda could be made to appear an adulteress. Of course it would take time, planning and “friends” that could be persuaded to join in the conspiracy or the naive that could be duped into believing and adding fuel to the fire of deceit.





Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 15, 2010, 10:53:26 PM
"Because seriously? this whole "sister story", with it's additions from you, reads like those novels and thrillers, Ellen White said to not waste our time on. (not to mention that whole gossip, tale bearing , false witness, and how to solve problems and not handle them part we are all warned about)...." No SIR MIZING

And are they so different from your own etchings??? And now you presume to declare these declarations of personal observation "novels and thrillers"? And of course you are innocent of "gossip, tale bearing, false witness..."?

Your very name is a misnomer of jihad designed to indict others while you PURPORT to have the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth...and how fictional the reality is!!!

I certify that the "sister story" is an accurate depiction of the events best described as "The Destruction of Innocense"...don't like it, SUE ME!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Artiste on July 16, 2010, 07:30:03 AM
Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Johann, this is unbelievable!

It sounds like someone is trying to make her or others around her think that she is mentally unbalanced.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Nosir Myzing on July 16, 2010, 07:36:34 AM
Yes, truth is often stranger than fiction, but these people need to get their story straight.
Either Danny was sick of Linda and wanted to get rid of her to the extent that he set her up and conspired against her so he could throw her under the bus, get her fired and divorce her against her will to marry someone else as they claimed before, or he is obsessed with her and can't and won't leave her alone and stalks her while, and despite being married for 6 years to another woman. Which is it?

For the record. The term spiritual adultery originated with the Non adventist Christian marriage counselors Linda and Danny went to, when Danny and Dr T repeated what they said. Those accusing Danny atributed it all to him as it was much more effective to accuse him in the name of condemning 3abn, then to attack the marriage counselors.


Nosir Myzing, Yes it is all unbelievable and seems to be life imitating art.  however, it is not the first time somethign so bizare was true in this unfortunate situation.  Then about EGW quote about wasting time with false witness, tale bearing, this whole thing was started Danny accusation of a sin that sisn't even exist......."spiritual adultery".

I would not believe any normal person could do these things either, nor I hope would any rational being.

 So, you believe Danny drives, 6 !/2 hrs or more  from his place to Linda's to harrass her with this little piddly stuff? Why? Do you think he did so for 6 years while married to Brandy?

This is just bizarre. of course that  window of opportunity can be defined by comparing his schedule, and documenting his activities, with her "reports" so shouldn't be hard to prove or disprove. Even if you claim it isn't him but is a "P.I." instead, do you have a legitimate reason or documentation to support your claim of them doing such illegal activities? Or is this just more surmising and conjecture?

Dare I ask, by whom?  Are there police reports, Johann? Is this documented anywhere officially? Have you been told there is, or have you seen proof that there is? If not, why not?

Note: I am not asking you to provide any documents or to prove what you say. I am just asking you to answer why you are saying this, and answer with a simple yes or no, and explain.

Before you get outraged or take offense, yes, in asking that, I am presuming you got these reports from Linda based on what was previously reported by you and your own words about it that much of your understanding,claims and reports came via email and phone calls from Linda and others.

I admit that presumption could be wrong in this situation, so if it is , and you have received this information from others, or verified it in any way, Simply say so. - and please explain how you know what you are telling others to be fact, or what makes you believe it to be true. Again, you don't need to post documents, but please, at least, explain yourself.

Because seriously? this whole "sister story", with it's additions from you, reads like those novels and thrillers, Ellen White said to not waste our time on. (not to mention that whole gossip, tale bearing , false witness, and how to solve problems and not handle them part we are all warned about)

And IF what you claim, is true? Contrary to what you say, a restraining order is needed, and would be granted temporarily, pending a further hearing. Has that ever been done or even attempted?

Please answer.

Ok so one of them, TS, or DS is just crazy.  Johann, You are telling me that Danny is the one who has remarried, and about to be divorced again, but he still is tormenting LS.......Once again, is this what he does to everyone ex-wife?  Is he also stalking Brandy?  Are you all sure Linda is not imagining all of this?  Not that I put it passed Danny, it is a situation over which he thought he had full control and he didn't.  Control freaks almost never get over a thing like that, but still....are you all certain?  This sounds like a Hitchcock thriller...............     :o

Welcome, good to see you here, Harley. Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Danny apparently does not do it himself. Who? Private Investigators? No need for a restraining order!!!
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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Nosir Myzing on July 16, 2010, 07:57:24 AM
Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Johann, this is unbelievable!

It sounds like someone is trying to make her or others around her think that she is mentally unbalanced.

Maybe, or maybe she needs to call an exorcist?

I am having a very difficult time with this breaking into her car, into her house, Danny obtaining keys to her house over and over when she changes the locks story, and the claim that this has been going on for 6 years and no one can stop it, because Danny has other people do it for him.  I don't believe this for one minute.  Keys need locksmiths, breakins and tresspassing are crimes that the police can investigate and solve, no matter who is doing it. There is no investigation. Just stupid excuses about how nothing can be done. No proof this is even occuring except posters here saying it is.

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There is Johann, living in Europe also,, and reporting what Linda is telling him about this.

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Then there is Joy living on the opposite coast and states away from Linda also claiming "I certify that the "sister story" is an accurate depiction of the events best described as "The Destruction of Innocense". Knowing he can certify nothing except that is what he believes as he also witnessed nothing,, and didn't even come into all this till well over 2 years after Linda and Danny were divorced.

This is a problem in much of this saga. We need real witnesses and testimony and evidence. This he said she said, and here say stuff is for the birds. The unclean birds.


Edited to remove inappropriate content.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on July 16, 2010, 09:47:38 AM
According to the Las Vegas Review Journal, only around 10% of burgularies are solved.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/15490531.html (http://www.lvrj.com/news/15490531.html)

I am having a very difficult time with this breaking into her car, into her house, Danny obtaining keys to her house over and over when she changes the locks story, and the claim that this has been going on for 6 years and no one can stop it, because Danny has other people do it for him.  I don't believe this for one minute.  Keys need locksmiths, breakins and tresspassing are crimes that the police can investigate and solve, no matter who is doing it. There is no investigation. Just stupid excuses about how nothing can be done. No proof this is even occuring except posters here saying it is.


Formatting by Johann
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: sonshineonme on July 16, 2010, 09:49:41 AM
Nosir
You dont deserve proof!!!! If this is how you assimilate the truth when it's put before you no wonder you are so easily duped by ds and others who use you to do their bidding and spew vile all over the place. Dare I say you are what is called an idiot. How dare you just decide everyone who tells you truth you don't want to believe is making it up? Are you that foolish to think people would just make up their witnessed testimony? Maybe because that's all you can do is believe what you are TOLD and have NOTHING else. You are like ds you acuse people of what you do. Make stuff up to deceive yourself into oblivion. I take great offense to being called a liar. You are at least that and more so shew away. We dont need any more of your bs here. You have no real need to know the truth. You are here to cause problems, you live to do that. I feel sorry for you. Get a life, huh?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 16, 2010, 10:36:02 AM
Also lots of break-ins into her house. Nothing of value stolen, but pictures and documents. Now police is investigating. Other pictures and documents will be left behind. Nothing is normal. Seems like he manages to get some locksmith make a new key to her house each time she changes her locks.

Then there are the cars following her. And people following her to church and other places.

Johann, this is unbelievable!

It sounds like someone is trying to make her or others around her think that she is mentally unbalanced.

It has for a long time looked like that is exactly what somebody is trying to do - to do such bizarre things which can hardly be reported, and if you do tell somebody what happened they think you are mentally unbalanced. Seems like this is just what Danny Shelton tries to "plant" so that people do not think that he is. Nosir is a valuable tool in his hands.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 16, 2010, 10:57:59 AM
Yes, truth is often stranger than fiction, but these people need to get their story straight.
Either Danny was sick of Linda and wanted to get rid of her to the extent that he set her up and conspired against her so he could throw her under the bus, get her fired and divorce her against her will to marry someone else as they claimed before, or he is obsessed with her and can't and won't leave her alone and stalks her while, and despite being married for 6 years to another woman. Which is it?

If that question is important to you, you need to ask someone who knows. I do not know all that is going on in his mind.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 16, 2010, 11:36:50 AM
Thing is, I can be both.  DS is about control, that is apparent even in a cursory knowledge of him.  He wanted to get rid of her, but he ended up looking like the bad guy, the plan was to discredit LS, not him.  He seemed to forget that when he put his wife's "business" in the street, his was going with it.  She is still a thorn in his side, becuase you still have this site, and he still sends his supporters to refute the details of a divorce now 6 years, and another wife and divorce, ago.  He interfered with her ability to continue in ministry......IOW, it was not enough for her to be gone, she had to be gone on his terms.  I can see that being the case.

I can also see that LS needs to come to the real world and move on.  She is still in victim mode, and if she is just now calling in authorities there was allt hat time that she was still, kind of enjoying that "attention", maybe even having some hope of restoration in it.  When she really decides to move on and tells DS to do so and really mean it, she won't even need to authorities to help.

Nosir, it makes no difference where the term orignated, DS liked and used it.  Had he kept it where it he first heard it, I would nto know anything about it. 

Now truthfully, there is a such thing, but it is a spiritual term, i.e., the COI and the many times they waudered after the false gods of their neighbors.  It is a unfaithfulness to God.  It is not a term for unfaithfulness in human relationships.  I can see where DS would like to use that term, as subsequently he was also compared to many prophets and those who oppose him to the rebellious COI/Jews.  


Yes, truth is often stranger than fiction, but these people need to get their story straight.
Either Danny was sick of Linda and wanted to get rid of her to the extent that he set her up and conspired against her so he could throw her under the bus, get her fired and divorce her against her will to marry someone else as they claimed before, or he is obsessed with her and can't and won't leave her alone and stalks her while, and despite being married for 6 years to another woman. Which is it?

For the record. The term spiritual adultery originated with the Non adventist Christian marriage counselors Linda and Danny went to, when Danny and Dr T repeated what they said. Those accusing Danny atributed it all to him as it was much more effective to accuse him in the name of condemning 3abn, then to attack the marriage counselors.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2010, 01:36:09 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...
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Throughout their marriage Danny controlled Linda through verbal and emotional manipulation, a lesson he had learned through family example and in previous professional and private relationships. Early in life Danny learned that with knowledge comes power. The more personal  knowledge gained of a person’s past and their weaknesses, the easier it was to control and manipulate them for his own purposes. Instead of turning his study to intellectual or spiritual pursuits, he looked for the weaknesses in an individual and exploited them to his own advantage. By appearing interested and sympathetic he realized that he could persuade people to share their secrets, desires and hidden past experiences with him. Not only prizing control, he also saw loyalty as a requirement of those in his personal and professional associations. Through the exploitation of an individuals weaknesses, with the knowledge of their personal sins and having groomed their loyalty to him, he had everything he needed to set his plans in motion for the removal of Linda.     





Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on July 16, 2010, 06:25:24 PM
Linda should set up survailance tapes around her home and catch whoever is braking into her home. Hire her own PI to see who is following her. Do something positive. MOVE TO THE OTHER END OF THE USA.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: guide4him on July 16, 2010, 10:36:40 PM
Danny Defenders...........

Please DO NOT try to come in and say those problems Linda is having is all false or she is feeding lies to ppl.  You must be getting big bucks to come in and try to cast doubt..




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 17, 2010, 02:00:54 AM
Linda should set up survailance tapes around her home and catch whoever is braking into her home. Hire her own PI to see who is following her. Do something positive. MOVE TO THE OTHER END OF THE USA.

She has now sold the house and moved.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 18, 2010, 10:35:41 AM
And for the record, Danny Lee Shelton is the ONLY fool in the history of Seventh-day Adventistism to define "SPIRITUAL ADULTERY" as a basis for divorce. SO much for being "annointed of the Lord"!!! DId he not read his Bible? This, the purported writer of "Ten Commandments Twice Removed"? Good thing he returned some of those royalties!!!

And now he gets "non-compete" funding!!! Good grief, cannot think of any reason anyone would have a problem of Danny Lee Shelton competing with anyone.!!! He has a hard time finding good counsel!!! Let alone deserving a non-compete "love gift"!!! And now Gilley is doing books with him. Is it worth investigating???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

"For the record. The term spiritual adultery originated with the Non adventist Christian marriage counselors Linda and Danny went to, when Danny and Dr T repeated what they said. Those accusing Danny atributed it all to him as it was much more effective to accuse him in the name of condemning 3abn, then to attack the marriage counselors." No Sir Mizing.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on July 18, 2010, 02:51:16 PM
I would still set up survailance on my home if I were Linda, just to make sure, no one was mess with my home, plus I would get a VERY GOOD WATCH DOG.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 18, 2010, 08:47:46 PM
Good thing he returned some of those royalties!!!

Can you elaborate?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 19, 2010, 07:35:54 PM
Good thing he returned some of those royalties!!!

Can you elaborate?

I would have to go back to "YOUR NOTES" to review the exact process and the amounts...sure you want me to go there???
Could compromise third party sources. But then, one is deceased anyway.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 19, 2010, 09:33:14 PM
Good thing he returned some of those royalties!!!

Can you elaborate?

I would have to go back to "YOUR NOTES" to review the exact process and the amounts...sure you want me to go there???
Could compromise third party sources. But then, one is deceased anyway.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

I'd like to see you elaborate, publicly or privately.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 20, 2010, 07:47:08 AM
It is a good guess that a church board and group of members whose livelyhood is largely dependent on one of the parties in a dispute, will vote in favor of that party in a squabble of this nature. Protests to the contrary don't carry the weight of logic or reason. Pastor Lomacang's letter expresses ample outrage, but fails to refute the suspicion.

Well you have to say that George, next to Johann, you are Linda's right hand man.

I wonder if you would have the nerve to say the above to the members and Pastor of that church and actually look them in the eye when you said it? I somehow doubt it.

edited to add, If I remember correctly 3abn employees were a minority on the board at the time. Is that correct, George. I could ask someone else, but you should know, right?

Last time I saw John Lomacang (Camp Meeting last summer) I looked him straight in the eye, but I have never seen a Seventh-day Adventist minister squirming the way he did at that time, just like he had something terrible on his consicience - which he should have. It will be all right as soon as he admits his wrong doing and asks the good Lord to forgive him his sin. Even his wife asked him to face up to what he has done and get this misunderstanding out of the way, but he refused.

On the same occasion I faced Dr. Walt Thompson and told him that we could work things out as soon as he is willing to be honest. As long as that is not the policy of the people at 3ABN the hope seems to dwindle. When will you be honest?

Made a correction of a spelling mistake.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: ex3abnemployee on July 20, 2010, 07:57:29 AM
Johann, next time you're in the area please get in touch. I would love to meet you in person.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 20, 2010, 08:05:41 AM
Johann, next time you're in the area please get in touch. I would love to meet you in person.

You never know. I know that you have heard of the Wright brothers and their invention which  makes it possible for people to get together. The way some people have argued around here it seems like they never heard of aviation and how it has been possible for me to get all the way from Iceland to Springfield. I can tell you from my own experience that the small airport at Springfield Illinois is quite nice. I have also been to the airport at Marion a few times, but I do not know when the next time will be. So we sing

"The Lord be with you till we meet again. . ."
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 20, 2010, 09:01:22 AM
OK?!!!  She is seemingly way too passive about things that effect her life.  But then again I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here, also, but always too little too late.


Linda should set up survailance tapes around her home and catch whoever is braking into her home. Hire her own PI to see who is following her. Do something positive. MOVE TO THE OTHER END OF THE USA.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 20, 2010, 09:22:07 AM
How can you imagine that we'd reveal to you what Linda does or doesn't do? We have learned that the hard way. On one occasion I sent a member  of BSDA whom I trusted a PM where I revealed to him that Linda would be gone for a convention for a few days. That member lost his head - somehing some people do occasionally - and revealed to all that Linda would not be home on certain days.

Someone read that and broke into her home when he knew she could not be home.

What would happen if we reveal just what kind of measures Linda is making against these attacks? Ceertainly the "criminal" would circumvent it and attempt something else.

Appreciate all the good advise, but we are not telling you all, not even on a PM, all that she is doing. That would be very foolish, to say the least.

OK?!!!  She is seemingly way too passive about things that effect her life.  But then again I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here, also, but always too little too late.


Linda should set up survailance tapes around her home and catch whoever is braking into her home. Hire her own PI to see who is following her. Do something positive. MOVE TO THE OTHER END OF THE USA.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Artiste on July 20, 2010, 09:34:23 AM
OK?!!! ...I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here.

So...princessdi...you think that Linda Shelton is passive-aggressive.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on July 20, 2010, 02:12:24 PM
I  am not asking exactly what Linda is doing, because there are spies on this site, I would just like to know that she is doing something positive to fight back against DS and that she is no longer being a victim.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 20, 2010, 04:16:36 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...

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Subtly at first, than more overtly over the years, Danny’s control over Linda grew. Like many emotionally abused women, Linda did not realize the extent to which her instinct to recognize danger became corrupted. This isn’t meant to imply there were not good times between them, but is that enough to justify a life lived under the control of another human being? Even life under a seemingly benign dictatorship, is still a violation of an individuals autonomy and their God given right of liberty. In the best scenario it is a violation of their humanity, but when the puppeteer pulling the strings is using his power to manipulate the reality of a person’s self worth and to allow the perpetrator the freedom to violate the foundation of their relationship it becomes immoral, unethical and in time it may become criminal.


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on July 20, 2010, 05:12:09 PM
I understand how easily it is to become a victim. When I was growing up, my father taught me to become an independent woman, needing no MAN. When I went to work, I was independent, sure of myself and who I was. When I married, I believed that the man was the head of the household, second only to God. What I did not know, was that the man I married had control issues. Slowly, but surely, he took control of all of my life and his verbal abuse caused me, to become a shell of the woman I had been. It took years, before I was able to believe that I was worth while again and I am still fighting for this control and sometimes it's a daily battle. He is finally going to counseling and has learned within the last 6 months how controling he has been in the 37 years of our marriage. 
Abuse is Abuse- so I know it takes time to no longer be a victim. That's why I wanted to know that Linda was doing something positive, that's all.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 21, 2010, 03:56:16 AM
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In the meantime, I  did find this already, and Johann's "story" refers to all 3 things which I stated were his only first person accounts, and the rest which he got from Linda. I will wait for a further reply from you before posting more, ok?
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This letter was sent to the owner of the BSDA forum, and he subsequently published it.

Dear Calvin,

I have become aware that your site published Johann Thorvaldsson's article about "The Story of Linda Shelton."

Since I am mentioned in that article, I thought you might be interested in publishing a response to correct the misinformation given about my involvement.

If you need to call me, my # is xxx-xxx-xxxx.

Thank you.
Kay Kuzma

Here is my statement:

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To those who may question my involvement with 3ABN and the circumstances which led up to Linda Shelton leaving 3ABN:

Yes, I was involved in what happened at 3ABN concerning Linda however the internet article in which you read about my involvement titled "The Story of Linda Shelton" by Johann Thorvaldsson, is saturated with the writer's biased personal perceptions and has very little to do with what actually happened. I was there – I know.

Rather than address each falsehood, which would be too time consuming, I will simply address the three major errors concerning me:

Here is what was printed about me: "Long before Linda's dismissal, Dr. Kay Kuzma was assigned to help Linda manage after being fired. She was also supposed to interview staff members to find a good reason to fire her, so one wonders what really is behind this upheaval?"

Here is what actually happened:

1) I was not brought in early – in fact, I was brought in during the last six weeks after Danny and Linda had been in months of counseling with professionals – with Linda still refusing to follow what the counselors suggested, i.e., unanimously the counselors told her that she would have to give up her relationship with the doctor in Norway who she was spending up to six hours each day talking with.

2) I was not brought in to help Linda "manage" after she was fired – she was never fired. The committee I was on (and later the Board) repeatedly gave her opportunity to talk with them trying to bring resolution and restoration to both her ministry at 3ABN and her marriage. She refused at every point. There was never discussion concerning "firing" Linda when I became involved – only a discussion on how to help her. There was such a concern for Linda's reputation that the entire Board was not initially notified about the situation until it became an absolute necessity to do so. I was on a small committee of two Board members, the 3ABN attorney, and myself. The small committee's discussion centered on how to save Linda for ministry. Linda talked to me one time and refused any further contact I tried to make with her.

3) I was NOT asked by 3ABN to interview staff concerning Linda. Linda, herself, asked me to talk with the staff. She even gave me the specific names of the people she wanted me to talk with. The results from the interviews with the employees Linda suggested weren't flattering to her. When I tried to get back with her, she refused to answer my calls.

The overwhelming error in Mr. Thorvaldsson's account of the events surrounding Linda Shelton's departure from 3ABN gives witness to the fact that his observation was from many thousands of miles away and only receiving his information from the two involved in the duplicity.

Hopefully it has become apparent to you, as I pointed out the error contained in these three lines alone, that this entire article is full of misinformation. If you would like specific answers to any other point, I'll be happy to share. God is good and truth will prevail even though there are those who are trying to stir up controversy.

I believe the most important thing to understand is that eventually the fruit of a person's decisions will become evident. Although I will not comment further about what happened to lead up to Linda's departure from 3ABN, we know that the other man had been to the States and spent time with Linda before she left Danny, and that immediately after she left Danny, the other man was with Linda. A few weeks later they spent time traveling together through Europe.

Please remember, 3ABN is not Danny or Linda's ministry – it is God's, and every day we all see incredible miracles as God is moving

His ministry forward. It's been a very difficult time – as we all love Linda and recognize how much God used her in her role as co-host with Danny. God truly gifted her with the ability to write beautiful songs that have been a tremendous blessing to thousands.

Thanks for remembering 3ABN in your prayers – and thanks for not sharing Mr. Thorvaldsson's article with anyone else – since I know you don't want to be a part of spreading misinformation.

Sincerely,
Kay Kuzma

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From: "Walt Thompson"
To: ....
Subject: Re: 3abn


Dear ....

Thank you for your e mail sharing your frustrations with 3ABN. It is understandable that you may feel frustrated regarding the breakup of Danny and Linda. You are not alone. Had the devil sought a more effective place to point his fatal arrow, he could not have found one. He aimed at its heart, and made a direct hit. However, like the promise in Genesis 3:15, though 3ABN has been wounded, it has risen again, and stronger than ever. Praise the Lord.

Let me summarize some of the events as viewed from my perspective during the past couple years. Perhaps it will allow you to view things a bit differently.

Though we have attempted to keep the leaders of the church attuned to what has been transpiring at 3ABN, we have not said much publicly for Linda's sake. We all still care about Linda, and know she must be hurting terribly.

A little more than two years ago a live television program aired on 3abn from Green Bay, Wisconsin. During that program Linda told of meeting a special person that had changed her life. She did not give the name or the sex of that person, but we later learned that he was listening in Norway. A few months earlier, a doctor visited 3ABN from Norway. He found out about Linda's son being hooked on drugs and told Linda that if he would come to his place in Norway for a month, he would be cured. Arrangements were made and Nathan went there in Feb. 04. While there Linda and one of her closest friends went to visit and spent 3 days with them. During this time Linda and the doctor struck up a relationship that her friend became very concerned about, and eventually came to the place where she decided she needed to speak out. I have heard that testimony. I will not describe it in detail, but it was described as much more than the usual doctor - client relationship. One of the things was that Linda had made arrangements to meet the doctor in Norway to spend 10 days with him touring the pretty places in the country during the following June.

In early March Danny called me. He was very distraught as he told me what Linda was doing. I immediately traveled to 3abn to find out for myself, and for the next two to three months was there for a few days almost every week. During this time I and a small committee of the board had a number of sessions with Linda, encouraging her to break off the relationship that was ruining her home and putting a serious strain on the ministry. Pastor John L. was one of the first to counsel Linda. >From the start, before meeting with Danny and Linda together he warned Linda that what she was doing was wrong, and must stop. He then spent hours counseling the two of them together. I am not sure how many other sessions were had. When I arrived, I arranged for Pastor John, Linda and Danny and I to meet together. We met, talked and prayed. Both Danny and Linda were anointed, and committed to God to do what was right. Linda promised us to cut off the relationship. Not long (I don't remember the length of time, but probably less than an hour) she was secretly on the phone to Norway with the doctor again. We had other sessions with her where she reluctantly made similar agreements, but usually said she was not going to give him up until she was sure Danny would stop interfering in her affairs - as if it was Danny's fault they were having trouble. On one occasion I was able to get the doctor on the phone. I begged him to break of the relationship. He told me he would not. We arranged for Danny and Linda to visit a marriage counselor couple out of state. They were not Adventist, but devout Christians of another faith. They were chosen so that Linda could not claim that they were biased, if Adventist. Danny and Linda spent eight hours with the counselors. They were the one's who told Linda she was committing "spiritual adultery" and that it was wrong and must be stopped at once. She made excuses, said she was doing nothing wrong. They warned her that the way she was going it would soon become physical.

Our committee of the board invited a lady friend of Linda's to sit with us, thinking that, being a woman, she would be able to make Linda comfortable. As soon as she heard Linda's story, she confided to Linda that she was wrong, and needed to correct the problem. Linda requested her to query some of the 3ABN leadership to hear their views. she did this, only to find that Linda used the negative feedback she received as evidence she was not a friend to her cause. Linda would not talk to her again - the same as she had done to the friend that went with her to Norway.

Meanwhile, all during this time, Linda was spending long hours on the phone with the doctor on international calls using phone cards, credit cards, etc. We have records of those cards and can verify the amount of time spent. Some calls were overheard by Danny when she did not know he was around. Whereas she says that she was discussing her son, the calls were, in fact not about her son, but were very personal. Arrangements were made, and tickets purchased to meet him in Florida. (We have evidence such a meeting did indeed take place) When that was discovered, they planned to meet in Las Vegas, and New York. And as you might expect, Danny was by this time checking things out pretty carefully. One night she came home all cheery. While she and Danny were getting ready for bed, she left to do something else (I have forgotten what). While out, Danny found a sack of things in the closet. Upon opening it, he found a pregnancy test kit. (He is "fixed" so he cannot have more children.) When she found out that he had discovered it, she was at first angry because he had "snooped" in her things, and then told him she had just purchased it to see his reaction. We also have evidence that the doctor had given her an expensive wristwatch. [ http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/actual-watch-pictures.html ]

While this was going on, Linda refusing to give up the doctor, and Danny not willing to live with a third party disrupting things, they began talking divorce. Linda's mother lived in Las Vegas (I think) and Linda began making plans to move there long enough to gain residency status and then was going to get a divorce. Discovering the possibility of getting a divorce through Guan, they jointly agreed. Danny was driven by several factors. One, she was not about to be faithful to him. She was running up huge credit card debts on joint accounts making him responsible for paying them off, and he was concerned about 3ABN and the effect the situation was causing on the ministry. It simply could not continue the way things were going. Though I and the board did not get involved in the marriage, we were very much concerned about the ministry.

All the while, this was taking a real toll on the ministry. Work was not getting done. The employees were pulled in both directions. Finally, I sent Linda a registered letter (she was not answering my e mails or phone calls). In it I told her that we were offering to send her away for counseling to a place and with people mutually acceptable. I told her that if she would not accept our offer and find help to get rid of the doctor, we would have to consider removing her from her positions. She did not respond to my letter.

At camp meeting time (the end of May), we also had a board meeting. On Friday night of camp meeting, the doctor and Johann (our European representative before this all developed) came and sat in the back row. Danny was very uncomfortable with them there, fearful they would make a scene on international television. He asked us to ask them to leave. They refused. They walked out just as the meeting was ending. I and some other people went out after them. When we got outside, Johann grabbed me by the shirt and started to shake me in anger. When other bigger people came to my support, he calmed down, and we all talked together for a half hour or so - I am not sure of the total time. In the meantime, Mark Finley spoke with the doctor. I joined them for a few minutes. While I was with Mark and the doctor, something was said that upset Johann, and he and the doctor left, angry and fast, spinning dirt as they left. Because they had begun to hand out papers of a proposed article they were planning to submit to the local newspaper discrediting 3ABN, we warned them not to come back.

The next day, Sabbath, we got hold of Johann by phone and he agreed to meet with us at a park and talk things out. The doctor was also invited, but he said he had said all he had to say the night before, and refused to come. We spent an hour or two with Johann, going over all of the events until then. Finally, I took him to the hotel where they were staying. We sat in the car and talked for some time. At that time he confessed to me that maybe he was wrong in supporting Linda. We had prayer and parted. The three of them left and returned to Springfield shortly after that.

Linda did not come to the board meeting on Sunday morning. She sent a letter instead. The board considered her letter carefully in light of all that had gone on, and unanimously agreed that she could no longer serve the ministry under these conditions, nor continue to serve on the board. (We have since been accused of refusing to let the doctor and Johann represent her at the board. No such request was ever made, either by voice or by pen.)

Linda did go to Norway for her ten-day vacation with the doctor in June. We know that. There have been many other trips back and forth by both of them since.

Linda said on her web site recently that I had told Johann a year before that I had never accused her of adultery. She was correctly quoting a portion of my statement to Johann, but what she did not bother to say is that I was defending 3ABN against an accusation that we had fired her for adultery. I was merely telling him that it was for defiance of her board that she was let go, not because of adultery, an accusation, it is true, I never stated. As you can see from the few things I have included here, we have had ample evidence to suggest adultery, but it is true, we have not seen the two of them in bed together.

Our position on the board all through this process was to take the high road and not to tell things like this to the public, attempting to protect Linda from even more hurt that she was doing to herself. In all of our public statements, we have tried to be discrete. To protect the ministry from a public confrontation, we also gave Linda a good settlement with the agreement that she would not bad mouth 3ABN. And while she has partially fulfilled her obligation, her "friends" have kept the pot boiling - contrary to her agreement.

She wrote on her web site in March that they were not divorced, that the Guam divorce was being contested. It is interesting to know that this was posted on the web site after (or about the time that) the judge's decision had been made in favor of Danny. It is also interesting that the only reason she filed suit against Danny was to get more money from him than they had agreed upon originally. One might wonder why she would file for a new divorce if it had been Danny that had insisted on it in the first place as she alleges!

Sometime fairly early on during this experience, Linda began to accuse Danny of abusing her. She told people she was afraid to stay home with him for fear he would take his gun and hurt her. On a number of occasions during their discussions she would go off in a huff to stay with her daughter in Springfield (two hours away). On at least one of those occasions, I was on the phone with Danny when she was preparing to leave, and I heard nothing suggesting abuse of any kind. I will admit that at first, Danny was "in her face" an awfully lot trying to get her to stop talking with the doctor. This stopped after their visit with the counselors. We believe that the Dr. advised Linda to use the "abuse" language to justify their relationship - and have good evidence upon which this is based. I believe it was during the GC session in Toronto when abuse was included among the justifications for divorce. If you know Danny at all, one thing he is not, is an abuser. Talk! Perhaps! But certainly not dangerous or physical.

Just to make this letter a bit more complete, let me tell you what I know about Danny's attempt to save Linda for himself - even after the divorce papers were signed. He paid off the remaining debt on her new car, her daughter's car, all of the credit cards, and other joint bills. He bought her interest in the house, helped her move to Southern Illinois, build a porch on her home there, gave her all of the things in their home including things that were really his. (He did these things with money obtained in a loan from a friend.) Over and over again he took her out to eat and did many other things to show how much he really cared for her. In fact, many of the employees and some of us on the board were concerned because of how she was leading him on and keeping him in turmoil. Over and over, she threatened him, saying, that if she was going down, she would bring him and the ministry down with  him.

One more thing. Linda has said that she was not censured by her church. The fact is, her church did meet and confidentially went over all of the evidence they had, and wrote an 8 page letter outlining the reason they had to conclude that she was wrong. Rather than drop her from membership, out of concern for her, they agreed do a letter of censure.

As for Danny getting married, let me make a few more comments. Our board has been well informed on all of these things. We were the ones that unanimously let Linda go, as much as we all hated to take that step. We all love her, care about her, and continue to keep her in our prayers. We have also been fully informed about Danny and his new-found friend. I was at 3ABN the day she and her two girls arrived from Florida with all they possessed. I shared some peanut butter and grapes that I had left over as I was about to return home. My heart went out to them. Danny's eventually did too. They are really nice people who have a heart for Jesus and for hurting people. She has had a hard life. (Her twin sister is dead.) There relationship has grown since that day more than a year ago. (Contrary to rumor, there was no relationship going before that!) A number of the staff and some of us on the board advised Danny to "cool it." He tried. But Danny is a people person. He needs people around him. I have concluded that Brandy came to 3abn atthe direction of either the devil or the Holy Spirit. I have had no trouble deciding which. I believe God has given Danny just what he has needed to continue to serve that ministry with the power and enthusiasm that is characteristic to him. He loves the Lord supremely, and seeks His guidance in all things. What you see of Danny on television is who he is. He is not a fake. Yes, he is human. He has human tendencies, just like you and I. Just because he is on television does not automatically take away those personal drives.

Before Danny married Brandy, our board met by conference call and went over the evidence again. It was our conclusion based upon the information we have, only some of which I have shared here, that Danny was morally free to re-marry if he wished. We were all concerned about the timing, but did not feel that was a just reason for condemning the action. Those of Church leadership with whom we have shared these things agree with our decision.

In all of the Bible, I have not been able to find a single instance where God had a prophet condemn any one for anything that was not either illegal or immoral. As our board, and leaders of the church, have carefully examined the evidence, we find nothing for which to condemn Danny either. As regarding age difference, I find nothing in the Bible or the SOP that speaks to this issue. You may remember Elder Archo Dart, a General Conference officer doing family counseling during the fifties. He married a patient of mine who was at least 20 years younger when he was in his late 70's. They had an excellent marriage. Teddy, his new wife, loved every minute of their time together - as she told me. They are both dead now.

Linda, in spite of what I have noted above, refuses to acknowledge that what she was doing was wrong - nor is she telling the facts as they happened. It is one thing to forgive and forget, but is altogether something else when one is unable to acknowledge wrong doing. Yes, and I truly would like to know what Jesus would have done differently. As I see it, we gave Linda every imaginable opportunity to remain and work with 3ABN - except for one condition. When she refused, what more is one to do? Jesus was patient with Judas too, but He did not prevent Judas from doing what he did.

For my part, I have asked God for wisdom to guide in all that we have done. I have insisted at every step that we do everything in a way that could never be honestly faulted. I believe God has honored our desire, and blessed the ministry beyond measure because we have tried so hard to be faithful. You may remember that even God lost some of his best friends (Lucifer, Ananias and Saphira and others). It hurts. But sometimes one must act to stop bad things - even when it hurts!

I hope this helps to clear the confusion. NO ONE at 3ABN wanted to get rid of Linda, least of all, Danny. I don't think there are very many people that would condemn Danny for not waiting longer to agree to divorce if they had been there and witnessed the situation. Even God has limits to His tolerance. If you have further questions or need further evidence, please let me know.

Sincerely in Jesus' precious name,
Walter Thompson MD
Chairman, 3ABN Board

( My editing was due to the quotes not being correctly formatted.)


It certainly is interesting to read again those two letters. It is still amazing how two professional Christian people are able to produce documents so studded with downright lies and misinformation that it makes me shudder. They forget that I had earlier received much information from my talks with themselves, and now they claimed that this was information I had received from Linda.

How deluded people can get when they get all of their thwarted information from a psychopath telling false stories to protect the false image he has built around himself. False stories about Linda's travels, wrong dates, wrong or twisted information.

And then they sound as if they never heard of the American inventor Graham Bell and his product, except in the case where they give false information about Linda's use of this invention.

Yes, they remind me of a story I heard when I was 12 years old and working after school hours in the office of a businessman. A certain sales manager had a rather loud voice. One day when the owner came by he asked why all this noise behind one of the doors.

- It's the sales manager talking to a customer in a town a couple of hundred miles from here.

- Why isn't he using the phone, then? retorted the owner.

Why all this noise and racket to cover up some evil deeds? Using lies and deception - when Truth remains throughout eternity?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Harley on July 21, 2010, 06:49:57 AM
I  am not asking exactly what Linda is doing, because there are spies on this site, I would just like to know that she is doing something positive to fight back against DS and that she is no longer being a victim.

I agree with you. It doesn't seem like she did much if it is still going on for 6 years. I would ask my friends to follow me and video the other people following me. I would contact my neighborhood watch, as well as the police. (Or form a neighborhood watch). I would put one of those surveillance cameras on my door, so if anyone comes, like a locksmith to try and make a key? Well the police could talk to them and find out who hired them. I don't think Locksmiths are supposed to make new keys for doors unless they know the house belongs to that person.  One time I took the garbage out and the door locked behind me and my baby was inside asleep. I tried to break into my own house but couldn't and didn't want to break a window. I had to call the locksmith from my neighbors house but didn't have an ID when he got there, so we had to call the police, and they opened my door for me, but then needed my ID also. My baby woke up in his crib and was hugging me so they said they could tell I lived there but still had to see my ID.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 21, 2010, 01:57:23 PM
Make that the history of the world........and ITA!  Could not believe that when I first heard...wondering how Danny thought he could make up his own set of circumstances.

And for the record, Danny Lee Shelton is the ONLY fool in the history of Seventh-day Adventistism to define "SPIRITUAL ADULTERY" as a basis for divorce.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 22, 2010, 10:51:39 AM
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Four years before their divorce Danny built Linda the “house of her dreams” and financially gave her the life of a princess, indulging her every desire for “nice things”. At that time he began the big pay off, his way of balancing the scales. If you pay for what you receive, it becomes a simple business transaction, completed  without any moral obligation involved. Both parties benefit, with the price justifying the means. Linda had been paid off, unbeknownst to her, and now Danny could feel free to begin the process of ridding himself of what was no longer a perceived asset for him, only excess baggage weighting him down. By removing what little conscience that remained, in the form of Linda’s input in his life, he would be freed to pursue his desires wherever they would lead him.




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 22, 2010, 01:42:36 PM
Make that the history of the world........and ITA!  Could not believe that when I first heard...wondering how Danny thought he could make up his own set of circumstances.

And for the record, Danny Lee Shelton is the ONLY fool in the history of Seventh-day Adventistism to define "SPIRITUAL ADULTERY" as a basis for divorce.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

At first I did the same as so many others have done,  I admired the man for his accomplishments. One gets so overwhelmed that one loses sight of the moral values ingrained in ones life and Christian philosophy. No wonder some very good friends of Jim Gilley exclaimed recently that their old friend is not the way he used to be. Now he appears to be brainwashed by Danny Shelton
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 22, 2010, 07:56:19 PM
Well, Let's just put it like this.....she and her reputation have taken an enormous amount of abuse at the hands of DS, and those who defend him, int he past six years. She seemingly is still pretty quiet, although I do applaud hew for sticking to Danny's plan...prety much.  However, truly I believe some of the things told by her friends and supporters have to have come from her, and are posted with her knowledge.  SOME! Just SOME not even major information, but just SOME of it.  I think this is her way of striking back by still staying "silent".  I also believe that she is living in a little bit of denial, she hasn't really  "moved on" with her life.  Her friends might not be halping her, but enabling her with their campaign to dethrone DS, and basically some way restoring her to her former life in ministry, without Danny.

Now, what I just said might have very little to do with reality, just a lil  sumpin from the Bood of Princess.  Hehehehe!!
So...princessdi...you think that Linda Shelton is passive-aggressive.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: childoftheking on July 23, 2010, 05:53:40 AM
Danny and his supporters  have claimed (falsely I believe) that this discussion is only about whether Linda is wrong . And it is inferred that anyone who is not defending or is questioning his actions and the actions of 3ABN is doing it because he/she is her supporter who gets information and orders directly or indirectly from her and wants  her back at 3ABN. In other words they make it a power struggle and a “he said-she said” fight that can split the church or harm it. If you buy into this I think you are playing into someone’s hands. As long as she can be cast as the “bad guy” it can be claimed that the treatment of her or of anyone who does not condemn her is because it what is best for 3ABN and for the church. Danny can claim to be the founder and to have made 3ABN prosper. The legend of “The 3ABN story” continues be used to gain and retain followers and funds.  I am not going to go into whether she helped found it or whether she made it prosper or not. I do not care if she is back at 3ABN or not. That is absolutely not relevant to me.

One may be fooled into doing many things that are harmful if one thinks he/she is doing them for a noble cause. Would you aid and abet a criminal? What if the criminal can convince you that he/she is hiding out from an abusive boy friend or relative instead of fleeing the scene of a crime. Could you be tricked into hiding them? I feel that this is what has happened to some of the “defenders“ who may do or say things they otherwise would not do or say.

The breakup of the marriage and the accusations against Linda only served to get my attention and got me started doing some personal investigation. It put the spotlight on Danny.  What he said and what  his defenders said on certain forums did not sit well with me.

I have sometimes posted things I have found about Linda and about others because they are public figures, these things are public records and are items of human interest. Sometimes these tidbits shed a little more light on the whole picture - sometimes they are just interesting.  

If it is only about vindictiveness over a marriage gone bad the spotlight is diverted from Tommy, from Danny and what they have allegedly done. Sympathy is elicited for them. Those who want the truth to come out are cast as villains with evil motives.


(corrected spelling-spacing and to make thoughts clearer)
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on July 23, 2010, 06:27:29 AM
No truer or better said.  :goodpost:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: SDAminister on July 23, 2010, 08:42:42 PM
And for the record, Danny Lee Shelton is the ONLY fool in the history of Seventh-day Adventistism to define "SPIRITUAL ADULTERY" as a basis for divorce. SO much for being "annointed of the Lord"!!! DId he not read his Bible? This, the purported writer of "Ten Commandments Twice Removed"? Good thing he returned some of those royalties!!!

And now he gets "non-compete" funding!!! Good grief, cannot think of any reason anyone would have a problem of Danny Lee Shelton competing with anyone.!!! He has a hard time finding good counsel!!! Let alone deserving a non-compete "love gift"!!! And now Gilley is doing books with him. Is it worth investigating???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

"For the record. The term spiritual adultery originated with the Non adventist Christian marriage counselors Linda and Danny went to, when Danny and Dr T repeated what they said. Those accusing Danny atributed it all to him as it was much more effective to accuse him in the name of condemning 3abn, then to attack the marriage counselors." No Sir Mizing.

Regarding sleeping with someone other than your spouse, which Danny defines as sin he says this in his booklet "The Forgotten Commandment" published in 2001:
Page 12: "In the same sense, we are committing spiritual adultery by willfully breaking God's fourth commandment and keeping another day that has not been instituted or sanctified or made holy by God."
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 24, 2010, 09:55:33 PM
Pardon me for just rolling in laughter at that diagnosis...PASSIVE Repression is more likely
the problem...I have yet to find an aggressive bone in her body!!! If I could find such a
spot, it would have been long since pushed for assertion!!!

Again, perhaps Mr. Gregory could enlighten us, here. He probably has known and dealt
with her passive personality the longest.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

OK?!!! ...I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here.

So...princessdi...you think that Linda Shelton is passive-aggressive.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on July 25, 2010, 06:08:01 AM
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"For the record. The term spiritual adultery originated with the Non adventist Christian marriage counselors Linda and Danny went to, when Danny and Dr T repeated what they said. Those accusing Danny atributed it all to him as it was much more effective to accuse him in the name of condemning 3abn, then to attack the marriage counselors." No Sir Mizing.

Regarding sleeping with someone other than your spouse, which Danny defines as sin he says this in his booklet "The Forgotten Commandment" published in 2001:
Page 12: "In the same sense, we are committing spiritual adultery by willfully breaking God's fourth commandment and keeping another day that has not been instituted or sanctified or made holy by God."

So you see that Danny Shelton used the term Spiritual Adultery long before they went for counseling in Kansas City. But often DS has put his own words into the mouth of someone else. Nosir should know this. DS never claimed in any e-mail he wrote to me that the term had originated with those counselors, nor has that been documented elsewhere, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on July 25, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
GJ, Passive/agressives are rarely "agressive".  Hence adding the "passive".  In fact, the phrase is meant to describe the very subtleness of their actions.  A lot of  the time, they seem as if they are dong very little almost inactive, while dropping the equivalent of nuclear bombs into another life.  Theirs is the kind of behavior that one will see the results, and most will argue that they have done nothing.  Extremely subtle and often directed toward one person and or group.  The targeted person/group, are generally the only ones who can identify the agressive behavior, but often have a difficult time explaining it to those outside of the situation.  They are pretty crafty, I have one in my famil who is pretty good at it.  LOL!!


Pardon me for just rolling in laughter at that diagnosis...PASSIVE Repression is more likely
the problem...I have yet to find an aggressive bone in her body!!! If I could find such a
spot, it would have been long since pushed for assertion!!!

Again, perhaps Mr. Gregory could enlighten us, here. He probably has known and dealt
with her passive personality the longest.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

OK?!!! ...I believe there is a lot more passive/agressive involved here.

So...princessdi...you think that Linda Shelton is passive-aggressive.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2010, 06:13:47 PM
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As Linda expressed it later, “Part of the reason I fell in love with Dan was because I felt he would protect me.” Instead of being protected Linda was enmeshed in the midst of a controlling, co-dependent relationship. Truth or falsehood, ethically right or morally wrong? The distinction was irrelevant, as long as Danny remained in control. Although Linda lived a life of relative luxury, especially when compared to the average worker employed in the ministry, in exchange for material comfort she had forfeited the following: the freedom to make her own decisions, the opportunity to develop her own friendships, and the ability to maintain a healthy self-image and to perceive herself and her life realistically. Although Linda had developed the ability  to interact with people publically and had overcome much of the public shyness of earlier years, she still lived life under Danny’s thumb, subject to his control. Danny knew Linda’s weakness for the finer things of life and exploited it. What Linda perceived as tokens of Danny’s love were in fact his private method of payment to her for his defilement of their marriage vows and served as absolution for his transgressions. He paid the price and that entitled him to live his life as he pleased, unbound from any obligation to Linda.




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 29, 2010, 03:48:41 PM
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Feeling unequipped to help her husband, but believing in the mercy of God to free him from his mental illness, Linda turned in faith to the Great Physician. Laying her concerns for Danny at the foot of the Cross, Linda prayed for the restoration of their relationship and for the spiritual and psychological healing of her husband. She claimed the assurances of the Bible on behalf of Danny, her husband, the only man she loved. She begged God to open His great storehouse of mercy and that Danny would humble himself and be restored in a right relationship with Christ. But deep in her heart an uneasy feeling began to grow. What if  rather than suffering from a mental illness, Danny could be plotting his final betrayal of her? Although this thought came into her mind she did not want to consider it further.

Linda had always been completely faithful to Danny and had never allowed herself to be placed in a position where her martial fidelity could be called into question. She knew that even the appearance of evil could bring dishonor  upon her Lord. In her early twenties she had experienced the pain that infidelity brings to a marriage through the unfaithfulness of her first husband. She loved Danny too much to even entertain the thought of another man in her life, she could never put Danny through the excruciatingly painful ordeal she had experienced. Moreover, she would never allow herself to bring that shame upon her Lord or disgrace the ministry He had given them.







Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on July 30, 2010, 07:06:13 PM
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The hours of verbal harassment were beginning to take their toll upon Linda. She looked up at Danny and it was as if a stranger stood before her, not her beloved husband. She looked into those cold and menacing eyes as he continued accusing her of the greatest possible betrayal of their marriage vows and she was truly afraid of him. The same questions kept pounding in her head over and over again, “WHY?” “How could anyone possibly believe that I could be capable of this horrible sin against God and my husband?” “I have everything a Christian woman could want: a husband I love, the opportunity to minister to millions of people about the tremendous love of our Savior Jesus Christ, and the ministry that we spent so many years building together.” “How could they believe I would do anything to jeopardize the ministry the Lord has given us?”

Suddenly, in the midst of this turmoil, it was as if the universe itself stood still for an instant, and a memory from long ago struggled forth and broke open upon the surface of her mind: THE DREAM. She had not forgotten it, it had never lost it sense of importance, but its relevance had seemed so removed from her daily life. As a child it had frightened her to such a degree, it was just as vivid today as it was when she was six. But why had it been brought to her remembrance now, in the midst of what would become the greatest upheaval of her life? The answer was there before her eyes, the dream had been intended as a warning, a preparation for what she was now experiencing. Later Linda would realize the full significance of the dream and it’s application to her experiences. “In the dream I was in a room with people that I knew and trusted, suddenly it was as if they turned upon me in the most unexplainable manner. As I looked at them, in amazement I saw the tab of a zipper on the forehead of each one. Pulling on the tabs, their bodies came away, like a snake sheds it’s skin, only more quickly and out from each of them jumped a ravenous wolf. Where I had once been surrounded with love and support, I was now being encircled by enemies seeking my destruction,” Linda recalled.




Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: WillowRun on July 31, 2010, 09:48:41 PM
Unzipping people that reveal evil monsters..is pretty creepy....

Thanks for sharing......
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on August 02, 2010, 09:06:14 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...


Quote


Uncovering her face, Linda looked directly into the eyes of her husband. Then her gaze lifted to take in the countenance of John Lomacang. Searching their expressions intently, she attempts to understand the condemnation she sees directed toward her, with no basis in fact to support their reaction.  For a brief instant she no longer sees the faces of those whom she believed loved and supported her, but instead her mind focuses on a familiar image from childhood nightmares, the telltale shadows of the hidden tabs near their foreheads and the strange fire in the eyes of her accusers. Pacing between Linda and John Lomacang, Danny has the gait of a wolf stalking its prey, circling among the sheep waiting for the opportunity to move in for the kill. Shaking her head Linda tries to dismiss these strange images and clear her thoughts, but the truth is becoming too obvious to ignore.



Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on August 03, 2010, 04:16:28 AM
Sister,
These are very vivid moments of the meeting and how it went down, It seems that at that moment is her realization that she had been caged by something not normal, evil and it had opened her eyes to a "fatal attraction".  How horrible. What I cannot understand is that, could she not see or want to believe all that came into her distaste or wonderment?

When you stand back and look at it from an outsider, the facts now show something wrong in every direction of that family. Why was TS allowed, why was Melody allowed (she was portraying herself as Christian singer all the while living other lifestyle), why was Tammy allowed and above all the treatment of LS son allowed and then Alyssa account of trauma. Then the final tale of putting LS out of the intimate room to share.   Why did all the other singers, musicians and other talent start to disappear, and the lifestyle be so extravagant with no results of Action on LS part quickly to protect her assets? other then the fact she also was overpowered, and the same tactics used by older brother on his victims? This would prove the meekness of LS or her true "Sanctification" of belief of the way of Jesus. If her spirit was different then I think she may have acted in self defense but she did not do that and I feel that was a mistake legally and possibly caused by the story of empowerment is correct.  These are horrible traits that show publicly of DS actions. Why could she not have went to someone of good standing of the church other then her environment of Ill.  It seemed to be a "providence "awakening for LS at the meeting if she failed to acknowledge all the above. I would say that the dreams LS had must have been dual application for at least one of them earlier as a child had to be caused by some sort of young trauma and then applied again in later life that came back as she states to you. Of course I am very glad that someone as your self can get the other side of the story direct.  It needs to be told as the other side is obvious by the "horrific actions" enabled by "money power". I think LS was given many warnings. Was it her disbelief of anything so bad? After all she also suspected other women. I am not downing her as I feel very sorry for what she went through. No one is perfect but she had to stop and smell what was brewing with demontic efforts of bringing down also her work. She should have early went for help to protect her part and along the way gave DS a couple of bangs on the head. But she didn't as I do beleive she was afraid of him and then that is another item to put with the rest.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 03, 2010, 03:04:51 PM

Just a thought. The Thorvaldssons weren't on Linda's road, they weren't even on her continent. True, they got letters from her for the most part describing herself as bloody and battered and abused, and Johann interpreted all that any one else tried to say to him or explain to him according to Linda's version, and has decided all are liars except for her.

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?

What a distorted picture of reality this Pat Williams is giving here - like so much else that comes from that source. S/he has no idea what s/he is talking about.

The friendship between Linda and Irmgard started when we were all in Sweden, Linda, Danny, Tommy, Irmgard, and I. So often these distorters of truth are trying to give the impression like there is no way of communication across the Atlantic ocean, as if we still lived in the past.

Several months before Dr. Arild Abrahamsen came to see us at Thompsonville - in the United States of America, so on the same continent - this close friendship was established, and through that friendship we discovered how her husband was closing one avenue after another for Linda, just as if he was preparing to divorce her.

Pat is utterly untrustworthy by making statements about things s/he has no idea. There is no use making statements about things you know nothing about, just to distort and spin things and give a completely wrong impression. That does not serve the cause of TRUTH!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 03, 2010, 03:22:25 PM
What a distorted picture of reality this Pat Williams is giving here - like so much else that comes from that source.

At least Pat's no longer "3ABN_Defender" and thus is less likely to make 3ABN look bad.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Murcielago on August 03, 2010, 03:24:45 PM
It would be interesting to know who those people were. If she was not at work due to being banned from the premises unless escorted, who was interacting with her on the job? Was she even going to church during that time, and interacting with the people there? Who was spending time with her at her home? Who are these witnesses? Were they Danny's family members, his employees, members of his corp administration, his board members, people with programs on his network, people with books to sell on his network, people contracted to his network, family members to any of the above...?


Just a thought. The Thorvaldssons weren't on Linda's road, they weren't even on her continent. True, they got letters from her for the most part describing herself as bloody and battered and abused, and Johann interpreted all that any one else tried to say to him or explain to him according to Linda's version, and has decided all are liars except for her.

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 03, 2010, 03:45:11 PM


Linda lived all her life in the U.S. Johann, as that is the case she had or should have had many friends here... She should have been able to get help here, so your post here causes questions.

You wrote:"When I drove Linda to the airport she was still in fear of what would happen on her return. Not without a reason."

What reason? and how do you know she had reason? And when was this, Johann? And you drove Linda to the airport? Why, where were she and you at? As you live in differnt parts of the world this is strange to me and new and causes questions.

This Pat Williams treats us all like we were babies who have never learned anything in grade school, who know nothing about the world, world travels or communication.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Adam on August 03, 2010, 04:00:23 PM
Pat Willimas also fails to realize I am not bound to stay quiet. I speak for myself and no one else. Pat's new name is "Queen Gossiper."
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Snoopy on August 03, 2010, 08:15:33 PM


 :ROFL: :ROFL:

Sorry, but there is no way I can take "Pat" seriously - the mental image I will always have of him/her now is Pat from SNL!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 03, 2010, 09:00:04 PM
There must certainly be no evidence: no recordings, no phone records, nothing documentary from John Lomacang or Brenda Walsh or anyone else, nothing in either Danny or 3ABN's possession.

If there were, they would have produced it in response to my requests to produce. That's the only logical conclusion.

I heard that in May 2008 when this topic came up at the 3ABN board meeting, when Danny came one vote away from being booted out of there, when Jim Gilley broke the tie, I'm told that the evidence couldn't be found. Of course, some detail in that tale could be off a bit, but that's what I was told.

It would be interesting to know who those people were. If she was not at work due to being banned from the premises unless escorted, who was interacting with her on the job? Was she even going to church during that time, and interacting with the people there? Who was spending time with her at her home? Who are these witnesses? Were they Danny's family members, his employees, members of his corp administration, his board members, people with programs on his network, people with books to sell on his network, people contracted to his network, family members to any of the above...?


Just a thought. The Thorvaldssons weren't on Linda's road, they weren't even on her continent. True, they got letters from her for the most part describing herself as bloody and battered and abused, and Johann interpreted all that any one else tried to say to him or explain to him according to Linda's version, and has decided all are liars except for her.

That is his right, but I wonder what the odds are that everyone involved or who was an actual witness in her church, job, home etc , (those who were  really there) are all liars except for Linda?


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 04, 2010, 02:00:01 PM
That is so cold Snoopy!  LOL!!!   Jes' Wrong!     LOL!!!    :ROFL:



 :ROFL: :ROFL:

Sorry, but there is no way I can take "Pat" seriously - the mental image I will always have of him/her now is Pat from SNL!
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Snoopy on August 04, 2010, 03:47:11 PM
That is so cold Snoopy!  LOL!!!   Jes' Wrong!     LOL!!!    :ROFL:



 :ROFL: :ROFL:

Sorry, but there is no way I can take "Pat" seriously - the mental image I will always have of him/her now is Pat from SNL!


eeeewwwww......it's Paaaaaatttttt......
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on August 06, 2010, 06:50:43 AM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...

Quote

After John Lomacang leaves, Danny sits down next to Linda and puts his arm around her, confused and exhausted she leans her head on shoulder. Finally he breaks the silence and says, “You have no idea what is ahead of you.” Linda turns her head and looks into the eyes of her husband and the determined look on his face. He offered no further explanation and she was unable emotionally to question him further. Much later she would remember this incident and realize that everything that had happened since was a well orchestrated campaign by her husband to remove her from his life and their ministry. With cruel and cold calculation, the man she loved had planned the demise of every aspect of her life that was of importance to her.   





Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 06, 2010, 01:48:40 PM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Continued...

Quote

After John Lomacang leaves, Danny sits down next to Linda and puts his arm around her, confused and exhausted she leans her head on shoulder. Finally he breaks the silence and says, “You have no idea what is ahead of you.” Linda turns her head and looks into the eyes of her husband and the determined look on his face. He offered no further explanation and she was unable emotionally to question him further. Much later she would remember this incident and realize that everything that had happened since was a well orchestrated campaign by her husband to remove her from his life and their ministry. With cruel and cold calculation, the man she loved had planned the demise of every aspect of her life that was of importance to her.   







Now these words can be repeated, and now they apply to Danny Shelton, "You have no idea what is ahead of you!"
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sheba on August 06, 2010, 03:17:33 PM
 ;D    :-X   
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 06, 2010, 03:18:50 PM
Ode to Danny Lee

Here's to the moments that are stolen
And stealing is certainly wrong,
But after those moments are stolen
To whom do they really belong?

For if my wife ne'er comes to claim them
And your husband ne're makes a fuss
Let's hold our heads up proudly
And say they belong to us.

For if you had bushels of apples,
And left them alone to rot.
And a neighbor came by and ate them
Would you blame him? Certainly not!

For apples were made to be eaten
And moments were made for delight.
And that's what we'll tell our conscience
If it keeps us awake at nights.

unpublicized words known only by me


 :sabbath:

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on August 10, 2010, 06:06:24 AM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Concluded.

Quote
   



Later, sitting alone in the dark feeling small and defenseless, Linda places her burdens at the throne of God. Her heart is heavy with grief and she knows His is the only relationship that can impart the protection and peace she needs. Overwhelmed with the avalanche of accusations that threatens to engulf and bury everything she has strived to accomplish in all her years of ministry, she cries out to the Lord. Only He can understand her pain and frustration:

“Hear my cry, O God;
Attend to my prayer.
From the end of the earth I will cry to You.
When my heart is overwhelmed;
Lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
For You have been a shelter for me.
A Strong tower from the enemy.
I will abide in Your tabernacle forever;
I will trust in the shelter of Your wings.”
Psalm 61:1-4 (NKV)

In the midst of constant turmoil and confusion, when every earthly support appears to have been removed from our presence, we are not alone. When those whom we have loved and trusted betray us, there is one who remains steadfast at our side. He is the one who understands our every trial and disappointment, whose heart aches for us in the tenderest sympathy; our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. In the midst of Linda’s crisis, it was the love of Jesus that gave her the courage to persevere. As she lifted her voice in prayer, it was the Lord who gave her the strength to stand fast in the face of her accusers.

For a moment she imagines herself again as small child of six sitting at the feet of her Savior, as a familiar childhood melody fills her thoughts, “Jesus loves, me this I know. For the Bible tells me so...” Exhausted, Linda falls into a deep slumber. A beam of moonlight falls gently across her bed through the open window. In it’s illumination her face takes on the innocence and vulnerability of a child as she lays there quietly, cradled in the love of her Lord and Savior.





End of Chapter 1
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 10, 2010, 08:06:21 AM
Who would know of Linda's loneliness back then? I heard several people at 3ABN talking about this unique talented woman who was making such an impact on the programming at 3ABN. But without her telling us right out we slowly realized how something - or someone - was preventing her from nurturing friendships in her vicinity. There was someone who just did not want her to have any friends with whom she could be confidential. She may not have been a victim of physical violence. Was she a victim of a person who for a while capitalized in using the term "spiritual a. . . ."? Why? He certainly also made known it was spiritual warfare.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Nosir Myzing on August 10, 2010, 09:08:22 AM
The Dream
Chapter 1
Concluded.

Quote
   



Later, sitting alone in the dark feeling small and defenseless, Linda places her burdens at the throne of God. Her heart is heavy with grief and she knows His is the only relationship that can impart the protection and peace she needs. Overwhelmed with the avalanche of accusations that threatens to engulf and bury everything she has strived to accomplish in all her years of ministry, she cries out to the Lord. Only He can understand her pain and frustration:

“Hear my cry, O God;
Attend to my prayer.
From the end of the earth I will cry to You.
When my heart is overwhelmed;
Lead me to the rock that is higher than I.
For You have been a shelter for me.
A Strong tower from the enemy.
I will abide in Your tabernacle forever;
I will trust in the shelter of Your wings.”
Psalm 61:1-4 (NKV)

In the midst of constant turmoil and confusion, when every earthly support appears to have been removed from our presence, we are not alone. When those whom we have loved and trusted betray us, there is one who remains steadfast at our side. He is the one who understands our every trial and disappointment, whose heart aches for us in the tenderest sympathy; our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. In the midst of Linda’s crisis, it was the love of Jesus that gave her the courage to persevere. As she lifted her voice in prayer, it was the Lord who gave her the strength to stand fast in the face of her accusers.

For a moment she imagines herself again as small child of six sitting at the feet of her Savior, as a familiar childhood melody fills her thoughts, “Jesus loves, me this I know. For the Bible tells me so...” Exhausted, Linda falls into a deep slumber. A beam of moonlight falls gently across her bed through the open window. In it’s illumination her face takes on the innocence and vulnerability of a child as she lays there quietly, cradled in the love of her Lord and Savior.



End of Chapter 1


Sister, here's my book review. Your stories are very imaginative but are too biased, partial, overly dramatic, emotional, and sensational to be taken seriously. Sentimental drivel and vilification verging on the cornball and ridiculous such as this will never be published by a legitimate publisher or publishing house within Adventism or without.  Pickle publishing is probably your best and only option. They are also fictionalized accounts designed to murder Danny and 3ABN's reputations and character, while uplifting Linda as some paragon of virtue to the point of idolization which should cause anyone reading to feel uncomfortable and question your motive and intent while also questioning their own in regards to reading your continuing and viscious gossip and libel.   Here's something else for your readers to consider.





Messages to Young People p 272

 "Satan knows that to a great degree the mind is affected by that upon which it feeds. He is seeking to lead both the youth and those of mature age to read story-books, tales, and other literature. The readers of such literature become unfitted for the duties lying before them. They live an unreal life, and have no desire to search the Scriptures, to feed upon the heavenly manna. The mind that needs strengthening is enfeebled, and loses its power to study the great truths that relate to the mission and work of Christ,--truths that would fortify the mind, awaken the imagination, and kindle a strong, earnest desire to overcome as Christ overcame.

Could a large share of the books published be consumed, a plague would be stayed that is doing a fearful work upon mind and heart. Love stories, frivolous and exciting tales, and even that class of books called religious novels,--books in which the author attaches to his story a moral lesson, --are a curse to the readers. Religious sentiments may be woven all through a story-book, but, in most cases, Satan is but clothed in angel-robes, the more effectively to deceive and allure. None are so confirmed in right principles, none so secure from temptation, that they are safe in reading these stories.

The readers of fiction are indulging an evil that destroys spirituality, eclipsing the beauty of the sacred page. It creates an unhealthy excitement, fevers the imagination, unfits the mind for usefulness, weans the soul from prayer, and disqualifies it for any spiritual exercise. " Source:  Bestselling Author - Ellen G. White -
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 10, 2010, 09:20:59 AM
Naw!  Who would've thought!  Jamie, I am shocked at your response!  LOL!!!  Duh?!!!

Now, I do have a quesiton for Sister, though.  Are you still maintaining that you get no information from Linda, or that she is not your source?  Some of these scenarios happen with only Linda and Danny present, and unless this is a really, really sick situation, I know Danny is not your source.  Plus, there are a whole lot of Linda's unexressed thoughts during the scenarios.  I mean at this point, she realy can tell all she wants. So I see nothing wrong with it, except that in the past, especailly during the time of the "gag order", it was maintained that Linda was not the source of any information posted.



Sister, here's my book review. Your stories are very imaginative but are too biased, partial, overly dramatic, emotional, and sensational to be taken seriously. Sentimental drivel and vilification verging on the cornball and ridiculous such as this will never be published by a legitimate publisher or publishing house within Adventism or without.  Pickle publishing is probably your best and only option. They are also fictionalized accounts designed to murder Danny and 3ABN's reputations and character, while uplifting Linda as some pagan of virtue to the point of idolization which should cause anyone reading to feel uncomfortable and question your motive and intent while also questioning their own in regards to reading your continuing and viscious gossip and libel.   Here's something else for your readers to consider.





Messages to Young People p 272

 "Satan knows that to a great degree the mind is affected by that upon which it feeds. He is seeking to lead both the youth and those of mature age to read story-books, tales, and other literature. The readers of such literature become unfitted for the duties lying before them. They live an unreal life, and have no desire to search the Scriptures, to feed upon the heavenly manna. The mind that needs strengthening is enfeebled, and loses its power to study the great truths that relate to the mission and work of Christ,--truths that would fortify the mind, awaken the imagination, and kindle a strong, earnest desire to overcome as Christ overcame.

Could a large share of the books published be consumed, a plague would be stayed that is doing a fearful work upon mind and heart. Love stories, frivolous and exciting tales, and even that class of books called religious novels,--books in which the author attaches to his story a moral lesson, --are a curse to the readers. Religious sentiments may be woven all through a story-book, but, in most cases, Satan is but clothed in angel-robes, the more effectively to deceive and allure. None are so confirmed in right principles, none so secure from temptation, that they are safe in reading these stories.

The readers of fiction are indulging an evil that destroys spirituality, eclipsing the beauty of the sacred page. It creates an unhealthy excitement, fevers the imagination, unfits the mind for usefulness, weans the soul from prayer, and disqualifies it for any spiritual exercise. "
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on August 10, 2010, 12:59:39 PM
A note concerning preparation of this unpublished manuscript:

All the information for this manuscript was obtained in 2008, the research includes hundreds of hours of interviews from numerous individuals. It was written in that same year. The excerpts published here have been done so at my discretion only and have not been authorized by any other individual or groups of persons, including the principle parties discussed within the context of the manuscript.

Sister

Di, the information for this manuscript was obtained after the gag order was over. Obviously, Linda was one of the sources, but many others also contributed information. Since some are directly related to Danny Shelton or may still be connected to 3ABN, they remain anonymous. This manuscript is independent of anything I wrote at BSDA and I have not claimed authorship.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 10, 2010, 01:37:14 PM
Thanks, Sister!  I was just curious if I had it figured correctly.    ;D



All the information for this manuscript was obtained in 2008, the research includes hundreds of hours of interviews from numerous individuals. It was written in that same year. The excerpts published here have been done so at my discretion only and have not been authorized by any other individual or groups of persons, including the principle parties discussed within the context of the manuscript.

Sister
Quote
Di, the information for this manuscript was obtained after the gag order was over. Obviously, Linda was one of the sources, but many others also contributed information. Since some are directly related to Danny Shelton or may still be connected to 3ABN, they remain anonymous. This manuscript is independent of anything I wrote at BSDA and I have not claimed authorship.


format - Johann
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: mrst53 on August 10, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
Sister, I see no problem with the manuscript. It may not be the topic for everyone's reading. I will read it when it is published.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on August 11, 2010, 06:47:26 AM



Jamie.Smith,

This is not a sensational work of fiction, but unfortunately for Linda Shelton it is a part of her life. Unfortunately for Danny Shelton it brings to public view a side of his life that he would rather remain hidden. It does not uplift Linda Shelton as a paragon of virtue, but it does reveal the insidious plot that was executed by Danny Shelton in order to remove her from their marriage and ministry. Linda is the victim here, not Danny. If the truth casts him in an uncomfortable light, is it his own actions that have put him there. Is this a publishable biography? Yes... Possibly a movie script? Yes... It is not the writing that has brought any sensationalism to the events depicted, but the character and actions of Danny Shelton.

Sister


Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 11, 2010, 10:17:12 AM
Sister, is right as far as I am concerned.  Reading this manuscript, "paragon of virtue" are hardly the words I would use to describe Linda.   
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: ex3abnemployee on August 12, 2010, 01:24:34 PM
Sister, is right as far as I am concerned.  Reading this manuscript, "paragon of virtue" are hardly the words I would use to describe Linda.   
Linda has faults, as we all do. I can tell you though, after working at 3ABN when they were both there, there's no comparison between the two.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 12, 2010, 02:19:10 PM
Oh nooooo! I would not put her in the same category as Danny.  He just seems to attrract women who make bad decisions regarding men.  Linda's biggest fault is she needs to forgive Danny(for herself) and move on.


Linda has faults, as we all do. I can tell you though, after working at 3ABN when they were both there, there's no comparison between the two.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 12, 2010, 03:01:57 PM
How do you know she hasn't?

Oh nooooo! I would not put her in the same category as Danny.  He just seems to attrract women who make bad decisions regarding men.  Linda's biggest fault is she needs to forgive Danny(for herself) and move on.


Linda has faults, as we all do. I can tell you though, after working at 3ABN when they were both there, there's no comparison between the two.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 12, 2010, 06:01:24 PM
Oh nooooo! I would not put her in the same category as Danny.  He just seems to attrract women who make bad decisions regarding men.

So when will the next one be? Anyone know?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 12, 2010, 10:09:41 PM
Well, actually, it is more the actions of her friends, but also that she is still into getting back at Danny.  This I get fromthe manuscript.  The tenor is unmistakable.   I enjoy reading it, but after six years it's time to do some forgiving for her own sake. 

I know it sounds weird, but if Danny is as bad as everyone says he is, he is getting some kind of satisfaction from the fact that he still has this effect/impact on Linda's life.  It proves to him that, as far as she is concerend, he is still in control..................She ought to like like he fell of the face of the earth..........

......jes a 'lil sumpin, sumpin from the Book of Princess............


How do you know she hasn't?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 12, 2010, 10:10:38 PM
Now, now, Bob!  LOL!!!

So when will the next one be? Anyone know?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on August 13, 2010, 04:51:14 AM
Now, now, Bob!  LOL!!!

So when will the next one be? Anyone know?

Di,

Because people have the mind and discernment that God blessed us with of keeping Law and morals, It is now placed upon his people to act as the "sin He sees hidden " is brought out.  If we did not have "the Laws", there would be no society, no rules, heathen and whatever befalls. Our emotions of right and wrong are clearly in us the same as God in His Love, anger, mercy, and forgiveness. Mercy and forgiveness is given when mistakes are made. Mercy is not given when Devil possessed humans distribute their vials against others to distroy. We have laws and I am for them even though what is left is being more and more corrupt as it comes closer to Jesus' coming.  What you all are feeling is sympathy for corruption because of vile humans the minute these vile people are caught and start squealing.  Then the Christian sympathy sets in just like the Devil plans for.  Do you believe that God has his own retributions and ways of which we can obviously observe?  Then why do we falter into sympathy as soon as He acts on the Hidden sin taking down innocent people. That is where my sympathy lies, with the victims of vile acts.   I do not believe for one moment that LS hates anyone or DS. She has a right to tell her side on behalf of the people so they can determine if they want to continue to aid and abet this hoax in the SDA church that collects funds and makes mockery among other extraordinary sins of greed, lust and adultery.  What sister is bringing out is a must. Why let the devil keep going with his "jolly" when Jesus brings to light so people can act. Have you read where God can do nothing without human instrument??? That means both ways.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 13, 2010, 11:55:44 AM
Tinka, in all the a"acknowledgement "of Danny's many transgressions, there is still a line we should not cross.  We cannot, and should not try to do the work of the Holy Sprit, to convict and bringt o salvation. 

I know by now that Danny has knowledge of his many trangressions, and it is not upon him to follow the urgings of the Holy Spirit and change his ways.  If Danny chooses not to change, no amount of badgering, name calling, berating of his supporters will do a darn bit of good.  Just makes you[general] un-Christ-like in their handling of the situation.  Dannys transgressiong/faults are very public, so God has allowed that they be exposed...in a very public way....I beleive that.  That carries pretty much it's own consequence.  However, that does not give anyone here the right to "secure" Danny's redemption.  One thing you all might not want to accept, but Danny's redemption, change, restoration, may not be in a public forum.  For all of your "work" you might not, and really lack the authority to see the final outcome.  You really might not get to see Danny pay the price for the things he has done. 

Remember, God is still a compassionate God, and extends to Danny the same compassion He extends to us all when He just doesn't expose ALL of our business to the world.  Christ died for us all....."while we were yet in our sins".  Jesus paid it all for Danny in adnvance, just like the rest of us.

This is a rhetorical quesetion:  Each one take a moment and think.........What has God not exposed to anyone about my life?   What secret, darling sin does He see in me and not expose while I am here demanding the condemnation of my brother in Christ because his was a public sin?

IOW, and in plain english, you[general] don't get to be mean, rude or discourteous, because you are responsible for your own actions.  "He made me do it", just doesn't work at all.   You all might not want to admit this, but in spite of the shady dealing in past years, God is still showing 3ABN and Danny some favor.  Just as He did David.  We have no real choice but to go with God's call.  God continues to use 3ABN to bring many to salvation.  3ABN is God's ministry....in spite of Danny.  Danny is God's child.....in spite of his faults/sins. 

Linda can tell her story all she wants, but she needs to tell it from the prespective of one being "restored".  She actually started along that road when she poke at one of the churches not far from here,  Somewhere she has gotten off the road.


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Di,

Because people have the mind and discernment that God blessed us with of keeping Law and morals, It is now placed upon his people to act as the "sin He sees hidden " is brought out.  If we did not have "the Laws", there would be no society, no rules, heathen and whatever befalls. Our emotions of right and wrong are clearly in us the same as God in His Love, anger, mercy, and forgiveness. Mercy and forgiveness is given when mistakes are made. Mercy is not given when Devil possessed humans distribute their vials against others to distroy. We have laws and I am for them even though what is left is being more and more corrupt as it comes closer to Jesus' coming.  What you all are feeling is sympathy for corruption because of vile humans the minute these vile people are caught and start squealing.  Then the Christian sympathy sets in just like the Devil plans for.  Do you believe that God has his own retributions and ways of which we can obviously observe?  Then why do we falter into sympathy as soon as He acts on the Hidden sin taking down innocent people. That is where my sympathy lies, with the victims of vile acts.   I do not believe for one moment that LS hates anyone or DS. She has a right to tell her side on behalf of the people so they can determine if they want to continue to aid and abet this hoax in the SDA church that collects funds and makes mockery among other extraordinary sins of greed, lust and adultery.  What sister is bringing out is a must. Why let the devil keep going with his "jolly" when Jesus brings to light so people can act. Have you read where God can do nothing without human instrument??? That means both ways.
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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 13, 2010, 02:12:02 PM
Linda can tell her story all she wants, but she needs to tell it from the prespective of one being "restored".  She actually started along that road when she poke at one of the churches not far from here,  Somewhere she has gotten off the road.

This could not be true if Linda is not orchestrating attacks on Danny.

It would be nice if Danny would come clean and FINALLY 'fess up on his income and assets so that Linda and Danny's marital property could be divided properly. Last I knew, their case was still not settled, even after six years, and yet another divorce for Danny.

But even though this be the case, if Linda isn't orchestrating attacks on Danny, then it would be unfair to say she's gotten off the road.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Emma on August 13, 2010, 02:37:53 PM
Linda can tell her story all she wants, but she needs to tell it from the prespective of one being "restored".  She actually started along that road when she poke at one of the churches not far from here,  Somewhere she has gotten off the road.

This could not be true if Linda is not orchestrating attacks on Danny.

It would be nice if Danny would come clean and FINALLY 'fess up on his income and assets so that Linda and Danny's marital property could be divided properly. Last I knew, their case was still not settled, even after six years, and yet another divorce for Danny.

But even though this be the case, if Linda isn't orchestrating attacks on Danny, then it would be unfair to say she's gotten off the road.

In a general sense Bob, I do not think getting off the road to recovery is measured by refraining from attacking the ex.  That is a negative measure....real recovery will see positive measures,  making a life for the new self, not looking back....I speak from some personal experience in saying this, though I am in no way comparing my past to Linda's.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: childoftheking on August 13, 2010, 03:36:16 PM
If people have to have led perfectly sinless lives themselves before they can deal with open sin in the church, especially open sin by leaders there should never have been any church board meetings, nor any disfellowshiping and some of the things Paul in the Bible said about dealing with sin in the church are wrong.

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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Artiste on August 13, 2010, 04:25:25 PM

God is still showing 3ABN and Danny some favor.  Just as He did David.  


I think we have heard the comparisons of Danny Shelton with David before...by the Danny sympathizers.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 13, 2010, 04:50:03 PM
I am not saying she is orchestrating anything.  I don't believe she is quite capable of such a thing.  But then again.......there is a thin line between love and hate..........But no, I don't believe she is orchestrating anything even close to an attack.  However, she is cooperating with those who wish to destroy Danny because of his wrongs to her and in other matters.  So there is now some anger there, that brings me back to the passive agressive side of this.  She would not orchestrate anything close to an attack, but she will and is lending all the info she can to those who will.

Remember, I am the one who said initially she should have hired someone like Gloria Allred and went on some talk shows making sure she got enough money to throw Danny and 3ABN that 250k back in scandalous faces......ooops!  Did I say that out loud?  LOL!!!!  At any rate, she could write a book, or something like that. 

This way it seems she is still buying into the idea of being restored to 3ABN, but just to be clear, those are just my guts feelings........the same gut feelings that told me that Danny was cooking up something aginst Linda because he had something going on the side.........Voila!  Brandy!    This keeps Linda from truly moving on as she should.  I even believe that he has blocked her ability to do ministry.......in the same circle where she is known.  At some point she might think that God may be "enlarging her ministry territory" and try some different circles.  Circles where Danny's carefully worded phone calls carry no weight.

Linda can tell her story all she wants, but she needs to tell it from the prespective of one being "restored".  She actually started along that road when she spoke at one of the churches not far from here,  Somewhere she has gotten off the road.

This could not be true if Linda is not orchestrating attacks on Danny.

It would be nice if Danny would come clean and FINALLY 'fess up on his income and assets so that Linda and Danny's marital property could be divided properly. Last I knew, their case was still not settled, even after six years, and yet another divorce for Danny.

But even though this be the case, if Linda isn't orchestrating attacks on Danny, then it would be unfair to say she's gotten off the road.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 13, 2010, 04:55:23 PM
Naw, see I heard Moses, John the Baptist, etc.   LOL!!!

I only used David in the respect that in spite of his many, many,many transgression, God consider him a "man ofter His own heart".  We can't understand that, really, can we?  If David were here today, and did any one of those the many things he did wrong, he would not be in leadership, and most probably a site like this would be in existence dedicated to sitting him down.........It makes you think, because God never removed David, or even Solomon, from their thrones "whilst they were yet in their sins".  And we know that Solomon went a long way..........


God is still showing 3ABN and Danny some favor.  Just as He did David.  


I think we have heard the comparisons of Danny Shelton with David before...by the Danny sympathizers.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 13, 2010, 04:57:03 PM
If people have to have led perfectly sinless lives themselves before they can deal with open sin in the church, especially open sin by leaders there should never have been any church board meetings, nor any disfellowshiping and some of the things Paul in the Bible said about dealing with sin in the church are wrong.

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Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 13, 2010, 05:00:33 PM
Why don't we suggest the GC remove the accounts of their sins, repentance and why David was so much i favor with God - from the Scripture? Do we need those accounts if we do not want to take them at face value?

Naw, see I heard Moses, John the Baptist, etc.   LOL!!!

I only used David in the respect that in spite of his many, many,many transgression, God consider him a "man ofter His own heart".  We can't understand that, really, can we?  If David were here today, and did any one of those the many things he did wrong, he would not be in leadership, and most probably a site like this would be in existence dedicated to sitting him down.........It makes you think, because God never removed David, or even Solomon, from their thrones "whilst they were yet in their sins".  And we know that Solomon went a long way..........


God is still showing 3ABN and Danny some favor.  Just as He did David. 


I think we have heard the comparisons of Danny Shelton with David before...by the Danny sympathizers.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 13, 2010, 06:59:59 PM
Naw, see I heard Moses, John the Baptist, etc.   LOL!!!

I only used David in the respect that in spite of his many, many,many transgression, God consider him a "man ofter His own heart".  We can't understand that, really, can we?  If David were here today, and did any one of those the many things he did wrong, he would not be in leadership, and most probably a site like this would be in existence dedicated to sitting him down.........It makes you think, because God never removed David, or even Solomon, from their thrones "whilst they were yet in their sins".  And we know that Solomon went a long way..........

Both David and Solomon reaped a lot of heartache and bitter tears for their sins. But consider: Out of 40 years of reign, how many great transgressions did David commit? The one with Bathsheba and Uriah was a vile one. David had a loyal convert to Judaism slain as part of a cover up. It cost him dearly. But it was one sin during 40 years of reign.

King Saul was different. Within 2 years after he took the throne, he was departing from God, and when he started rebelling against God, he never stopped or repented, as far as the record tells us.

David confessed and repented. So did Solomon. Saul never did.

Danny should be like David, but I have yet to hear him say, "I have sinned," when anyone has told him, "Thou art the man."
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: christian on August 14, 2010, 02:28:27 AM
Naw, see I heard Moses, John the Baptist, etc.   LOL!!!Yes we can understand the statement (about David) when it is taken in it proper context. The pronunciation of God that David was a man after his "own heart" had nothing to do with Gods acceptance  of the many transgressions that David committed. It was only that David never lead the children in open rebelion against God. He would even qualify that statement by saying except in the Matter of Uriah, so there would be no confusion. Please do not apply the same standard to Danny Shelton it in no way applies. Often a statement is repeated so many times it stands on its own without investigation. YES WE CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND THE STATEMENT FROM GOD IF TAKEN IN PROPER CONTEXT.

I only used David in the respect that in spite of his many, many,many transgression, God consider him a "man ofter His own heart".  We can't understand that, really, can we?  If David were here today, and did any one of those the many things he did wrong, he would not be in leadership, and most probably a site like this would be in existence dedicated to sitting him down.........It makes you think, because God never removed David, or even Solomon, from their thrones "whilst they were yet in their sins".  And we know that Solomon went a long way..........


God is still showing 3ABN and Danny some favor.  Just as He did David.  




I think we have heard the comparisons of Danny Shelton with David before...by the Danny sympathizers.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on August 14, 2010, 05:26:06 AM
Christian,

and your point is well said about correct understanding of "after God's own and "open sin" . This is why the public and on here that so much controversy is from  "open sin" right out in view within the SDA and now called in my book "off shoots".

and Di, I cannot justify David's actions and go do as David did ...or shall we go dancing naked in the streets too of course after "God's own heart"! :ROFL:

But never do we want consequences such as Absalom. That is one story that was so heart wrenching next of course to the Father giving up Jesus on the Cross for our Salvation and the "Passion of the Christ" details of which EGW made it more viewable in imgination then the movie. David paid the price with Absalom. DS mind maybe too far on other side to even think that he sins. Btw, I heard that he has had a couple of heart operations and bad health himself like TS. I did not know that until a few days ago. and now TS wife too. Hearts and minds must not be working together! :dunno:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 14, 2010, 08:22:25 AM
This way it seems she is still buying into the idea of being restored to 3ABN, but just to be clear, those are just my guts feelings........the same gut feelings that told me that Danny was cooking up something aginst Linda because he had something going on the side.........Voila!  Brandy!    This keeps Linda from truly moving on as she should.  I even believe that he has blocked her ability to do ministry.......in the same circle where she is known.  At some point she might think that God may be "enlarging her ministry territory" and try some different circles.  Circles where Danny's carefully worded phone calls carry no weight.[/color]

Linda can tell her story all she wants, but she needs to tell it from the prespective of one being "restored".  She actually started along that road when she spoke at one of the churches not far from here,  Somewhere she has gotten off the road.


What indicates she has gotten off the road? Linda is either preaching or having a general lesson study somewhere every Sabbath at the moment.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on August 14, 2010, 10:46:42 AM
Is that what Linda wants to do???---is preach??
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 14, 2010, 01:33:41 PM
It was preaching that got Linda into trouble. When I first came to 3ABN, staff members were talking about her spiritual and inspiring devotionals and what an asset she was to the ministry. That seemed to be too much for her husband, who kept reminding his viewers that he was the one who received the vision. She had to leave. . .
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 16, 2010, 10:45:20 AM
Exactly!!!  That's what I'm talking about, Emma!

In a general sense Bob, I do not think getting off the road to recovery is measured by refraining from attacking the ex.  That is a negative measure....real recovery will see positive measures,  making a life for the new self, not looking back....I speak from some personal experience in saying this, though I am in no way comparing my past to Linda's.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Johann on August 20, 2010, 04:50:26 AM
Is that what Linda wants to do???---is preach??

Why not?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: tinka on August 20, 2010, 05:51:56 AM
Bible worker or To teach,  or Inspirational talks is talent that LS  has but are we talking "Ordained preaching" futuristic plans. --If so and if that was the upcoming plan on 3abn inch by inch "that she was wanting" then I believe that was trouble coming. Not because she was better then DS (of which she was) but I think other factors even though DS has done what he has --he still probably goes by first foundations of SDA. No women "preachers" although it is a pick of rules of what he does go by. I said much on posts about it and so has DB. No I do not believe either that women's place is in "Ordaining women preachers". If they did their work properly where their place should be they would not have time to take on or trying what is better that a "man's position" that can be more effective for his role. IF a women did all that was given her to do in Biblical references of the most importance and biggest job our children and taking care of husbands home needs would not be in the situations or turmoil they are today as a whole.  Did I not read where LS's son felt neglected? Her daughter abused. IF all duties of home came first, one might have realized much of what was going on in the home.  But mistakes are made as we live each day.  Hmmmm

Actually, when I have heard women preachers, I sit not even hearing them but trying to figure out what type of personality and character they are and whether I can believe anything where they are coming from. Why are they trying to take this on and what importance are they seeking. It never occurs to me that possibly or maybe they are really a good Christian with "called" agendas. and that is because I know what the Bible  says gives as examples.  Will you be called to be a Queen, Governor, or what ever?  or did you just hear a cow bellow somewhere>  Did they prepare the Sabbath meal or give their time to practice their preaching, did they get the family clothes ready for Sabbath or did everyone have to fend for their selves including small children. Just thoughts but my thoughts are strictly of a mother and my families immediate needs of preparation and training and not a father. I like being a woman of responsibilities, I like my role of giving, helping and accomplishments and then watch my children take it from there. I love to see their confidence after their accomplishments. Have 6 children and all of them accuse each other of being just like mom>>>>(smile). I love them all. Did I need to preach ?....I did in the right way for those who know me. My audience was my family, my friends, and my neighbors and letting them know how much I loved all by actions in unclaimed benevolence.
and Johann I truly believe your a good man and preacher or you would not have had that dream of "guidance".  Many good women have been the result of a very good men. We are very important.(smile)  Here is just a thought that just came. "Feminine is genuine".   I don't like people preaching that I just can't get a "handle" on.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 20, 2010, 10:39:59 AM
Ok people, you have given soooo much to work with here...........

Johann, if you are saying that we are not following the examples given us in the Bible about what and what not to do, you are correct.  It is just as we have not learned from to them at all.

Bob, there are far too many Psalms where David was pleading with God to forgive him.....they were not all from that one sin(which was actually several sins, adultery, lying, murder, etc), even though that one was definitely the worst.  Remember, David was a womanizer the entire time.  Michal was somewhat justified in her rebuke of her husband when he dance before the Ark, however, it was the wrong time.  Those are feelings she expressed that had been mounting for a long time about David and his many, many, many women.   He was defintiely out there chasing down women all along.

Christian,  I believe David to be an excellent comparison, because if he were alive today, would there be a site like this one dedicated to his demise?  WE, would only see his actions, as we only see Danny's actions.  So while David did not lead the people into rebellion the "spiritual adultery" to which they often fell, leaving them in bondage and slavery to some other country, he was still not the moral leader that they needed.  God favored David inspite of his sins and blessed the nation.  God knew David's heart.  IOW, there was someone else who maintained God's favor with sins even more greivous than Danny's, I have not heard that he murdered anyone yet,  It makes my point about God still savign and reaching people through 3ABN, in spite of Danny's sins.    



Naw, see I heard Moses, John the Baptist, etc.   LOL!!!Yes we can understand the statement (about David) when it is taken in it proper context. The pronunciation of God that David was a man after his "own heart" had nothing to do with Gods acceptance  of the many transgressions that David committed. It was only that David never lead the children in open rebelion against God. He would even qualify that statement by saying except in the Matter of Uriah, so there would be no confusion. Please do not apply the same standard to Danny Shelton it in no way applies. Often a statement is repeated so many times it stands on its own without investigation. YES WE CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND THE STATEMENT FROM GOD IF TAKEN IN PROPER CONTEXT.

I only used David in the respect that in spite of his many, many,many transgression, God consider him a "man ofter His own heart".  We can't understand that, really, can we?  If David were here today, and did any one of those the many things he did wrong, he would not be in leadership, and most probably a site like this would be in existence dedicated to sitting him down.........It makes you think, because God never removed David, or even Solomon, from their thrones "whilst they were yet in their sins".  And we know that Solomon went a long way..........


God is still showing 3ABN and Danny some favor.  Just as He did David.  




I think we have heard the comparisons of Danny Shelton with David before...by the Danny sympathizers.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: horsethief on August 20, 2010, 06:22:46 PM
A better comparison might be Danny to R. Kelly & Tommy to Michael Jackson.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 24, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
Horsetheif, What do you know about R. Kelly?!!!  LOL!!  Also, that comparison to Danny is not lost on me, either.  Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: ex3abnemployee on August 24, 2010, 06:24:59 PM
Horsetheif, What do you know about R. Kelly?!!!  LOL!!  Also, that comparison to Danny is not lost on me, either.  Care to elaborate?
I actually have to defend Danny here. He can sing MUCH better than R. Kelly. :ROFL:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: Sister on August 24, 2010, 06:43:40 PM
Horsetheif, What do you know about R. Kelly?!!!  LOL!!  Also, that comparison to Danny is not lost on me, either.  Care to elaborate?
I actually have to defend Danny here. He can sing MUCH better than R. Kelly. :ROFL:

And he has more successfully hidden his indiscretions from public view and a court of law...  Is that why Mollie and Company keep declaring him a godly man? :dunno: Or is Mollie just waiting for Danny to be hauled away and to step up and take Gilleys place, with Hal at her side? That is the "vision" the Lord gave her so many years ago and now she is so close, she can almost taste it.

Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: ex3abnemployee on August 24, 2010, 06:55:17 PM
Horsetheif, What do you know about R. Kelly?!!!  LOL!!  Also, that comparison to Danny is not lost on me, either.  Care to elaborate?
I actually have to defend Danny here. He can sing MUCH better than R. Kelly. :ROFL:

And he has more successfully hidden his indiscretions from public view and a court of law...  Is that why Mollie and Company keep declaring him a godly man? :dunno: Or is Mollie just waiting for Danny to be hauled away and to step up and take Gilleys place, with Hal at her side? That is the "vision" the Lord gave her so many years ago and now she is so close, she can almost taste it.


Now, that IS an interesting thought. She's sorta the Nancy Pelosi of 3ABN anyway, isn't she?
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: horsethief on August 25, 2010, 11:26:57 AM
Molly's in on it too. She's done for.
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: princessdi on August 25, 2010, 01:13:50 PM
Oh man, Duane, Now I gots to question your musical taste.......   LOL!!!

I actually have to defend Danny here. He can sing MUCH better than R. Kelly. :ROFL:
Title: Re: Excerpts from an unpublished manuscript
Post by: horsethief on August 29, 2010, 09:29:49 PM
No need to respond to a 3BN adherent... not worth my time.