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Title: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 15, 2011, 07:03:25 PM
Someone is seriously considering yet a fourth try at Marriage...is it adultery?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on March 16, 2011, 12:26:34 AM
How many such weddings does it take to fill the cup. . . ?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Snoopy on March 16, 2011, 10:37:16 AM

Would this potential union qualify as an interracial marraige?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on March 16, 2011, 11:55:47 AM
Might what is going on qualify the ministry as undermining the sanctity of marriage, not because it might be interracial, but due to the frequency of divorces and marriages sanctioned by the leadership?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on March 16, 2011, 02:12:11 PM
No, they are not!  Stop it GJ!  LOL!!!
Someone is seriously considering yet a fourth try at Marriage...is it adultery?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Sheba on March 16, 2011, 05:07:46 PM
Ode to Danny Lee


Here's to the moments that are stolen
And stealing is certainly wrong,
But after those moments are stolen
To whom do they really belong?

For if my wife ne'er comes to claim them
And your husband ne're makes a fuss
Let's hold our heads up proudly
And say they belong to us.

For if you had bushels of apples,
And left them alone to rot.
And a neighbor came by and ate them
Would you blame him? Certainly not!

For apples were made to be eaten
And moments were made for delight.
And that's what we'll tell our conscience
If it keeps us awake to night.

unpublicized words known only by me
 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on March 16, 2011, 08:44:11 PM
I like that poem!
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on March 17, 2011, 05:43:30 AM
Hmmmm, Danny is eating all the apples... by the bushel :dunno: I don't think this next one is going into this blindly. and she is a Doctor????  :help:  Maybe they need to get their "wedding" photos taken at the Walmart.... I am sure some on here don't know about these Walmart exhibit photos but neither do the people know any better then to show all their "wares" in public view. Poor souls!!   :rabbit: can't find the right nest......


added around "wares"
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 17, 2011, 07:26:34 PM
How many such weddings does it take to fill the cup. . . ?

I would argue that it is ALREADY FULL!!!

Oh, by the way, Sheba, your gift seems to exceed that of Johann and we look forward to your literations.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 31, 2011, 09:23:36 PM
The March 2011 issue of 3ABN World's cover story was about Yvonne Lewis. Here was one of the pictures from that article, in which Danny looks a bit dreamy eyed.

(http://www.save-3abn.com/images/yvonne-lewis-3abn-world-03-31-11.jpg)
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on March 31, 2011, 10:46:08 PM
GJ, I can't see Danny.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on April 01, 2011, 05:46:29 AM
Princess,
Use the scroll bar just beneath the picture.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on April 03, 2011, 08:11:25 PM
GJ, I can't see Danny.

Working on the production of a video that will give him all the "visibility" he will want...gotta wonder if Danny doesn't dream of Linda...and what it would be like if he simply had done the right thing!!! Yvonne will suffer from "Third Man Theme"...Do you wonder if he will be her last??? For her sake, I hope not, because Danny must still be "Dreaming of Linda".

How much easier life would be...how much less expensive the last six years would have been...and how much better if the governance had changed... but it has not, it will not and justice must be served upon this non-denominational entity!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on April 04, 2011, 06:44:50 AM
(smile) What really caught my attention before I scrolled....is the Dr's. dress  :help: again. and Danny looking dreamily at it???  :help: again!!! and there is conversion somewhere with this outward appearance???

With viewing recently a sketch where DS is singing, he asked to change key and seemed to loose his words but added and lost again. I watched the look on the ones on stage with him and they seem to be dumbfounded to follow him but did their best. I almost felt he was loosing it or something wrong.

Now they are into making Mel famous with the famous and capable background singers. DS seems to be really prodding that along....for some reason!! Is it money???? Background singers although I do like the "Lady Love" couple and the DR. music, they seem to be at DS beckoning duties. Linda still surpasses the theatrical. This is all amazing to watch between "the Robe" Ken Cox series, Doug B and the Howard Brothers which I really enjoy with especially Lyle too.  Yes, the wheat and the tares till the end.....which end???
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on April 04, 2011, 01:56:21 PM
OOoooh duh!! thanks Tinka.....must have been REAL tired when I first looked at this!


Tinka, what is wrong with the Dr.'s dress>  It is not short, low cut, or see through.  A little  busy for me, but a nice dress. 


Princess,
Use the scroll bar just beneath the picture.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on April 05, 2011, 03:39:01 AM
Di,
Look again from the waist down, very very revealing to what is under. Thighs, thighs, and more thighs.  Also can't be more flamboyant then that dress. Even the arrows pointing up make more distinction. Di I am a seamstress and design wedding dresses in my time and that is probably why I instantly see outward appearances of "vanity". I know how to sew with conservative class that is not a displayer of body but beauty that one already has. For a few years have you seen a wedding dress that is not strapless? Dress in a manner that reflects ones true character either good or bad. The outward appearance shows up immediately. You can take a dress and make everything point to the the vitality and glory of ones inner beauty that does not display instant view of body parts. The art is no longer seen much as the earrings and jewelry take away from the beauty of sparkly eyes, shiney healty conservative styled hair and cleanliness of teeth, skin and etc. and yet the gown can be beautifully designed.

Laugh I know you never thought why I liked the Queen of England although she does wear the jewels but the rest of her is immaculate care and complete conservative dress,that everyone can do for public viewing and for way less expensive. and I do know she has been known to take a smoke now and then which since learning that shows flaws of intelligance. I also have a very favorite tv show that I really get much humor out of. I like the BBC and keeping up with appearances. That is right up there past I love "Lucy". then on one side of family is from England so guess it sort of came through a little and other side is Slovenian probably the one that gives me the cooking instinct. (laugh) Since my love has went to rest I finally don't have the desire much anymore.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: GRAT on April 05, 2011, 10:49:42 AM
As a woman, I am appalled that another woman would be so desperate to be married that she would put all common sense aside and be the 4th wife.  Maybe she has some other ulterior motive.  This is an educated woman who should know better.  If someone has been divorced twice the red lights should be flashing in your head no matter what he tells you. 
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Adam on April 05, 2011, 11:41:16 PM
So this is the next Mrs. Danny Lee Shelton to be? Is there confirmation on this or just guessing?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Bob Pickle on April 08, 2011, 10:44:17 AM
It's not supposed to be just guessing. We've heard about it from different directions.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on April 10, 2011, 11:33:06 AM
Adam, can you probe about and get us a date? We'd like to have a presence at the reception...
like wedding crashers but with cameras.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

So this is the next Mrs. Danny Lee Shelton to be? Is there confirmation on this or just guessing?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on April 10, 2011, 04:39:58 PM
GJ, please tell me you would not do this!  LOL!!!  Well, we know now, if all is true, that this will be a very far away,very secret, destination event.  
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on April 10, 2011, 04:46:59 PM
Tinka, praise God that He knows all about His children. This woman is completely covered and you still saw "sexiness" in her dress.  Hate to tell you, but that is not her failing.  I have seen many a dress with this design in many version, I can say what you have suggested has never, ever even occurred to me.  I will continue to "lift" you up before God, if nothing else but to get your mind up from the curb



Di,
Look again from the waist down, very very revealing to what is under. Thighs, thighs, and more thighs.  Also can't be more flamboyant then that dress. Even the arrows pointing up make more distinction. Di I am a seamstress and design wedding dresses in my time and that is probably why I instantly see outward appearances of "vanity". I know how to sew with conservative class that is not a displayer of body but beauty that one already has. For a few years have you seen a wedding dress that is not strapless? Dress in a manner that reflects ones true character either good or bad. The outward appearance shows up immediately. You can take a dress and make everything point to the the vitality and glory of ones inner beauty that does not display instant view of body parts. The art is no longer seen much as the earrings and jewelry take away from the beauty of sparkly eyes, shiney healty conservative styled hair and cleanliness of teeth, skin and etc. and yet the gown can be beautifully designed.

Laugh I know you never thought why I liked the Queen of England although she does wear the jewels but the rest of her is immaculate care and complete conservative dress,that everyone can do for public viewing and for way less expensive. and I do know she has been known to take a smoke now and then which since learning that shows flaws of intelligance. I also have a very favorite tv show that I really get much humor out of. I like the BBC and keeping up with appearances. That is right up there past I love "Lucy". then on one side of family is from England so guess it sort of came through a little and other side is Slovenian probably the one that gives me the cooking instinct. (laugh) Since my love has went to rest I finally don't have the desire much anymore.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on April 11, 2011, 10:07:14 AM
Like I say Di, It may never occur to you about the dress but being conservative and into dressmaking, I would never consider that dress as an asset to ones own beauty. Yes I can see too much body that is "over the hill" sort of to speak. I suggest she cover it up. It is no different then a 200 pounder set into tight jeans. uggg my worst pet peeves. From behind....ugglllly. Guess the closeness of the picture really set me back as it really does appear there is not even a slip under it. The middle also looks like see through.  I really don't look for those things unless it jumps out. No that is not a good dress for a Christain women. I remember back in the 40's when they called this type of dress. Hotsy Totsy..... :ROFL:
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on April 11, 2011, 12:21:03 PM
Ok, so now you are sounding like my Grandmother in regards to the slip.  She had a problem with women who did not wear slips!  LOL!! 

Anyway, God bless you for allowing the Lord to work with your mind in this area.  Lord knows where you would of been without Him......seeing the suggestion of sex even where there is none.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on April 11, 2011, 01:22:53 PM
Di, I never thought about those things either and wasn't judgemental about others dress. However my husband set me straight about what men think about those things (many of them think it is deliberate, that the women are aware of it and that they are being a tease) and after visiting an amish area with my sister in law and brother in law one day I heard plenty of remarks from the brother in law about their women not wearing slips and how "you could see right through them" and how their dress was supposed to be modest and how immodest it was because they didn't wear a slip. Since then I have always worn a slip. I hadn't even noticed it the whole time we were there but my husband agreed with him.

I doubt wemen even thinik about it that much. I know I didn't. But this week after sitting accross from one of the sisters when she crossed her legs I have just about decided that maybe I should wear slacks to church. I know she was totally unaware of her indescretion. My husband used to talk about a mother and daughter (very prim and proper) who were in his Sabbath School Class and he was afraid to look in their direction because they "sat like farmers" (his words and no disrespecy to farmers).
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Adam on April 16, 2011, 06:51:07 AM
Adam, can you probe about and get us a date? We'd like to have a presence at the reception...
like wedding crashers but with cameras.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

So this is the next Mrs. Danny Lee Shelton to be? Is there confirmation on this or just guessing?

Do you think they would send me an invitation? Danny, Molly, maybe even Cindy? I'd love to attend!
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on April 18, 2011, 05:01:43 PM
The problem, COTK, is that this makes women responsible for the dirty minds of men, instead of men truly and wholly submitting those minds to the Lord and allowing Him to deliver them.  So now women have to go around looking like Lord knows what just in case some man gets turned on by the pattern in her dress, never mind that it is A-line, long and up to the the neck, now it can even be too pretty. 

On judgement day they willnot be allowed to say it was her dress, no more than anybody else blaming someone else for their failings.  It sounds lik Genesis after Adam and Eve ate of the fruit and God came down.  Adam said, "the woman you gave me........".  Eve said, "the serpent........"  It didnt' work with God that day and it won't work on Judgement Day.

So when men have a problem with what women are wearing they ought to think to pray. What do they do when they are at work? Riding down the street and they just happen to have to ride down "the stroll"? When they are in situations with women whose dress they cannot control?  What happens when a women comes to your church inthe best that she has and that might be short, tight, no slip?  This is why they should allow God to help them with this problem, and it is their problem.  That way no matter what a woman is wearing, it is not a problem, because God has cleansed their mind, delivered them from this weakness. 


 
Di, I never thought about those things either and wasn't judgemental about others dress. However my husband set me straight about what men think about those things (many of them think it is deliberate, that the women are aware of it and that they are being a tease) and after visiting an amish area with my sister in law and brother in law one day I heard plenty of remarks from the brother in law about their women not wearing slips and how "you could see right through them" and how their dress was supposed to be modest and how immodest it was because they didn't wear a slip. Since then I have always worn a slip. I hadn't even noticed it the whole time we were there but my husband agreed with him.

I doubt wemen even thinik about it that much. I know I didn't. But this week after sitting accross from one of the sisters when she crossed her legs I have just about decided that maybe I should wear slacks to church. I know she was totally unaware of her indescretion. My husband used to talk about a mother and daughter (very prim and proper) who were in his Sabbath School Class and he was afraid to look in their direction because they "sat like farmers" (his words and no disrespecy to farmers).
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on April 18, 2011, 05:58:08 PM
I don't think it makes a woman responsible for what a man does but life is what it is and I'm just being realistic about the effect it can have. In an ideal world a woman could walk down the street naked (think garden of Eden) and no problem. This ain't Eden.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on April 19, 2011, 03:59:59 AM
I'm not talking about placing the blame but about practical self defense against perhaps rape, murder or even just simple embarassing misunderstandings. This defense is not 100% effective, far from it. There are predators out there that will target a 90 year old woman because she is weak not sexy. There are men out there that might consider a woman wearing a burka to be at fault because she is still a temptation to him.

I'm not ashamed of my gender. I have enjoyed being a wife, mother, sister and daughter. I don't live my life in fear but I don't leave my keys in my car or flash big wads of money around either. This is the real world. Not every man is or will be converted. Not every man controls his actions.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on April 19, 2011, 02:42:07 PM
Those are not the same at all.  Rape is a crime of power more than sex.  And I don't care is a woman is naked......no means no, you can't take a man too far, it is NOT her fault because she was dress nice for the date, and all the other excuses given to blame women for men's lack on control.  Converted or not, even amongst atheist there is rape.  Don't touch what doesn't belong to you(do we not remember being taught this?).  What happen to holding someone responsible for their actions?  Rape is a crime in civil law, not just biblical/religious.  IOW, Amnon would have been convicted by the state for the rape of his sister, Tamar, if they lived today.

Now, don't get me wrong....there ARE women who dress provocatively to get that type of ........uh... attention, but most don't.  That is an entirely different situation dealing with one's self esteem, emotional issues, etc. 

Women could never get dressed in tihe morning trying to figure what which outfit won't turn a man on, including the ones she doesn't even know.  Some like skimpy. Others, a women covered and the "mystery of it all", Still other like something in between all of that. Beleive me,  no matter what women have on, some man finds it attractive.  Far too much koolaid drinking in this area. Every culture that requires that women "cover up" does so, figuring the men will behave themselves, or not be tempted or some such nonsense.  Think about those orthodox LDS members those little girls are covered from day one, yet those nasty buzzards are running around marrying 14 & 15 year olds.




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I'm not ashamed of my gender. I have enjoyed being a wife, mother, sister and daughter. I don't live my life in fear but I don't leave my keys in my car or flash big wads of money around either. This is the real world. Not every man is or will be converted. Not every man controls his actions.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on April 20, 2011, 04:41:10 AM
"Those are not the same at all.  Rape is a crime of power more than sex." Your statement.

"There are predators out there that will target a 90 year old woman because she is weak not sexy." See I agreed with you.

"Beleive me,  no matter what women have on, some man finds it attractive."

"There are men out there that might consider a woman wearing a burka to be at fault because she is still a temptation to him." Again I agree with you.

I am just going by what godly, converted responsible men have told me since I am not a man and I don't have to personally deal with all that testosterone. But I am told that it does make quite a difference. And they were trying to explain it to me not to make excuses for their gender.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on April 20, 2011, 09:03:51 AM
Hmmm,  I don't think that justifications and common sense ever come together on matters of individual choices. There is always a blocked view when it comes to justifications. A person can be completely covered and yet accent their "self estimated contributes". and apart from this,,,,,It is no secret of the designer flaws in M.O's clothes being talked about Nationwide on news many times. I am not the only one that "gasps" at the next design.  The problem is the one that agrees to wears it! I think the designer is playing games with the "defect" of no common sense until it is a joke with much laughter.

"Self" is in total control of the overriding of "common sense". and that is the way I look at this Dr. and DS. He doesn't realize he has no scruples either. "Keeping up with appearances" comes in the form of good or bad... but at least the Dr. is not a dancer as previous or is she???
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on April 20, 2011, 12:12:15 PM
Tinka, I believe to be earnest and honest in all things.  I appreciate the fact that you allow the Lord to work with you.  I will pray for your continued progress on this thing we call the "christian journey".   


Hmmm,  I don't think that justifications and common sense ever come together on matters of individual choices. There is always a blocked view when it comes to justifications. A person can be completely covered and yet accent their "self estimated contributes". and apart from this,,,,,It is no secret of the designer flaws in M.O's clothes being talked about Nationwide on news many times. I am not the only one that "gasps" at the next design.  The problem is the one that agrees to wears it! I think the designer is playing games with the "defect" of no common sense until it is a joke with much laughter.

"Self" is in total control of the overriding of "common sense". and that is the way I look at this Dr. and DS. He doesn't realize he has no scruples either. "Keeping up with appearances" comes in the form of good or bad... but at least the Dr. is not a dancer as previous or is she???
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: guide4him on April 23, 2011, 05:59:26 PM
This has been an interesting discussion. Thanks for the different directions this has taken. My take is I thought the dress was too tight and the design was embarrassing to look atz(both in flashy and striped).  When I looked at Linda I never about her dress while she was sitting on the porch. Her clothes were not tight nor designed inappropriately. I didn't get much of a chance to view last Mrs. Danny so can't say much about her taste in clothes. I do look at clothes in design, color, style women are wearing when watching our leaders on TV, whether it is Hope Channel, 3ABN, LLBN or BMTV.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on April 24, 2011, 08:10:19 AM
Yes, when there are no distractions your focus is on the words of Holy Spirit given by a wholesome servant of the Lord. In fact when that happens you can't even recall what they had on.  So,, the way I look at it, the distractions are put there for a reason. a probably person that likes to be seen and the rest is a job but their self is always noticable or heard first.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: christian on May 17, 2011, 01:01:13 AM
 I bet you Queen Ester was one fine sexy dressed lady, though she was modest too. And that Michelle Obama is sharp and pretty the prettiest first lady ever in the White House. Boy, I just drooled all over myself as I looked at Danny's next wife to be. Honestly some folks are just plain and simple sick in the head, they can see the heart from the outside based on dress, please give me a break. ----I am back after a month in Kenya I really enjoyed myself, I heard pastor baker vice president of the GC speak, very good message. ---Hello folks I have really missed you especially, Tinka, and Princess,---I can see everything is about the same as I left it (smile)
Tinka, I believe to be earnest and honest in all things.  I appreciate the fact that you allow the Lord to work with you.  I will pray for your continued progress on this thing we call the "christian journey".   


Hmmm,  I don't think that justifications and common sense ever come together on matters of individual choices. There is always a blocked view when it comes to justifications. A person can be completely covered and yet accent their "self estimated contributes". and apart from this,,,,,It is no secret of the designer flaws in M.O's clothes being talked about Nationwide on news many times. I am not the only one that "gasps" at the next design.  The problem is the one that agrees to wears it! I think the designer is playing games with the "defect" of no common sense until it is a joke with much laughter.

"Self" is in total control of the overriding of "common sense". and that is the way I look at this Dr. and DS. He doesn't realize he has no scruples either. "Keeping up with appearances" comes in the form of good or bad... but at least the Dr. is not a dancer as previous or is she???
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on May 17, 2011, 03:15:40 AM
 :ROFL: Drooling is mostly a sign of lost self mental and physical control. It is evident your from "somewhere" other then "here" mind and body. Check out the best dressed first lady on "Walmart moments in the white house" in your search engine or closed down thread on "Discussions". and that is not from me but from people of "common sense". Also since you've been gone the "killing of police" rapper has been invited to the white house and now your drooling lady that has caused your insanity of sexual abnormalities is addressing the young kids to dance their fat off with the rapper rock music. No doubt birds of feather flock together. Now read thread "Advent talk and Reality (no joke) under Discussions. Why don't you go bug the J-witnesses on their Posts.  Maybe you and Danny could share and stop your mental drooling. You could not possibly have Jesus on your mind and call yourself Christian unless your mama needs to rename you.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Bob Pickle on May 17, 2011, 07:14:44 AM
Boy, I just drooled all over myself as I looked at Danny's next wife to be.

Huh?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Artiste on May 17, 2011, 12:31:43 PM
I think someone was using a little sarcasm? (Not to imply that the lady in question was not worth drooling over...)
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: christian on May 26, 2011, 05:06:30 AM
Christian


Your stating that Tinka wishes she had a tall body with all of it showing up below the belt line? I do  not think any woman wants that body.

Obviously you are a lady and dont know what men want, howbeit please provide me with the quote where I said "Tinka wishes she had a tall body with all of it showing up below the belt line."  As for the President and his wife I believe they are one of the nicest looking couples to have been in the White House ( I mean Black House now) since it was built. have you seen the pictures of the previous Presidents and their wives? I can bet that if Danny marries that lady it will be his last marriage because you know what they say "once you go black you don't go back!
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on May 26, 2011, 02:41:20 PM
See now, Christian, ALL of this post is jes wrong!  Be nice.......and apologize.........In fact, I though there was already a "MOD" warning  on this thread.   

Ok question, is the woman in the picture supposed to be black?  LOL!!!  Wait let me go and look!  if so, this adds a whole new dimension to comments made, I was just talking about the dress itself............have mercy!


Obviously you are a lady and dont know what men want, howbeit please provide me with the quote where I said "Tinka wishes she had a tall body with all of it showing up below the belt line."  As for the President and his wife I believe they are one of the nicest looking couples to have been in the White House ( I mean Black House now) since it was built. have you seen the pictures of the previous Presidents and their wives? I can bet that if Danny marries that lady it will be his last marriage because you know what they say "once you go black you don't go back!
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: christian on May 26, 2011, 11:39:14 PM
The darker the berrie the sweeter the juice, that is what I have been told LOL. Sometimes humor is the best way to deal with people who obviously have certain bents that even they don't know they have. --- I think one poster said it best anyone who would marry sometone who has been married four times should take a very close look a the person, obviously its not all the other persons fault. Unitl i see or hear openly that Danny is marrying or married to thsi lady I will assume it is not true.
See now, Christian, ALL of this post is jes wrong!  Be nice.......and apologize.........In fact, I though there was already a "MOD" warning  on this thread.   

Ok question, is the woman in the picture supposed to be black?  LOL!!!  Wait let me go and look!  if so, this adds a whole new dimension to comments made, I was just talking about the dress itself............have mercy!


Obviously you are a lady and dont know what men want, howbeit please provide me with the quote where I said "Tinka wishes she had a tall body with all of it showing up below the belt line."  As for the President and his wife I believe they are one of the nicest looking couples to have been in the White House ( I mean Black House now) since it was built. have you seen the pictures of the previous Presidents and their wives? I can bet that if Danny marries that lady it will be his last marriage because you know what they say "once you go black you don't go back!
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on May 28, 2011, 07:02:09 AM
straight talk...the darker the berrie...(rotten)
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on May 28, 2011, 05:32:18 PM
Tinka, I am sure you did not mean to infer that all black women are "rotten", and the darker the more "rotten" did you?  If not please rephrase so we can understand your point.  After all no matter the ethnicity of the woman is not the point, it is that it is Danny's 4th marriage.  So far there is nothing wrong that anyone knows of with the women herself. 

straight talk...the darker the berrie...(rotten)
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on May 28, 2011, 05:47:40 PM
 :ROFL:   I think it is terrible when one can not understand straight talk because of wandering away from straight sense and using sexual slang to get their point across for their own minds that use what I call gutter talk.

God created a berrie for fruit and my straight talk is of talking of a real berry beautiful tasty berry that when it starts to go beyond its ripness and change of color to dark dark it is finally rotten.

My husband and I had wonderful dates going berry picking in July and making shortcakes, jelly and pies in the freezer. They only last so long until they are too done, too ripe and turn darker cause they are done, rotten  or dried up.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on May 28, 2011, 06:04:09 PM
I am glad you clarified that you were not making a racial slur Tinka. Because I was confused about your meaning too and if it had been a racial remark it would have been very offensive.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: amazinggrace on May 28, 2011, 06:38:05 PM
Dr. Yvonne Lewis practices acupuncture and other Oriental medicine which are based on occult beliefs and practices.  Bottom line, she's involved with spiritualism, perhaps unknowingly.
 
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on May 28, 2011, 06:44:21 PM
I just hate those slang comparisons and my mind does not refer or think to those types of separating of races let alone to what was implied by the implyer. Pretty bad as far as I am concerned. He is the one that needs to be jumped on for his conotations of disgusting references.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on May 28, 2011, 06:58:20 PM
amazinggrace,  I heard her speech on all that too.  I think I got it now....DS must have a mind and thoughts like Christian. They need  :help: or maybe accupuncture on top of their heads.  :ROFL:   ???  :scratch:  :dunno:    :ROFL:
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Artiste on May 28, 2011, 10:01:27 PM
Dr. Yvonne Lewis practices acupuncture and other Oriental medicine which are based on occult beliefs and practices.  Bottom line, she's involved with spiritualism, perhaps unknowingly.

Acupuncture is a scientifically validated medical treatment.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on May 29, 2011, 02:46:38 AM
Dr. Yvonne Lewis practices acupuncture and other Oriental medicine which are based on occult beliefs and practices.  Bottom line, she's involved with spiritualism, perhaps unknowingly.
 

Seems like she said in her story that she discarded acupuncture.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: amazinggrace on May 29, 2011, 11:29:48 AM
That's good if she has.  Acupuncture is based on Chinese occult beliefs.  Do some research on it.  One good book is Manuel Vasquez's The Mainstreaming of the New Age, chapter 10, "Traditional Chinese Medicine, Including Acupuncture."  Just because it may "work" does not make it safe.  Hypnotism "works" too, but it is highly dangerous and places the subject under the control of other forces.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Artiste on May 29, 2011, 11:58:54 AM
Not true, ag!  What are your scientific and research backgrounds for making such a statement?

It's been said, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: amazinggrace on May 29, 2011, 02:50:01 PM
Anyone who has done any reading on acupuncture knows that it is based on Chinese Taoist (pagan) belief of a universal energy force called the qi (chi) that permeates all nature and involves the yin (negative, dark, female) and the yang (positive, light, male) which are supposed to be balanced.  This yin/yang qi force is supposed to flow through the human body on meridians.  If there is a blockage or congestion of this force, then acupuncture is supposed to break the blockage and allow the chi force to flow and the yin/yang to balance. 

Artiste, do you seriously believe this?

Here are some quotes you can easily find on the web:

"The Nei-ching, which is to this day the classic text of acupuncture theory and practice, is based on Eastern religious theories concerning the nature of the universe.  All of nature and the universe (including man) is eternally existing as vibrations of impersonal, polarized energy called Yin and Yang.  The key to spiritual, mental, and physical well-being, according to this Taoist dualism, is to balance the positive and negative aspects of this energy.  Acupuncturist Dr. Stephen Thomas Chang, founder of theTao Foundation in San Francisco.... explains: 'The Nei Ching states that 'the entire universe is an oscillation of the forces of Yin and Yang.'... In terms of medicine, the interaction of Yin and Yang is the basis of the energy pervading and activating the body, and an imbalance in the relative amounts of Yin and Yang energy is seen as the root of all pathology.'   

"Acupuncture is based on Chinese religious theories, including Taoist philosophy and Yin Yang dualism.  Chinese practitioners speculated that this invisible energy flowed along unseen paths called meridians.  'For health to be maintained the 'ch'i must flow without hindrance and the skill of the acupuncturist lies in his ability to free the meridians so that there is an even energy flow.  This is done by the light insertion of needles of pure copper, silver or gold into the flesh at specific points along the lines of the meridians.' (The Encyclopedia of Alternative Medicine and Self-Help, p. 21)"


"The qi is an Eastern name for the universal energy supposedly flowing through the body.  A fact sheet on the meaning of the 108 moves in Tai Chi, put out by the Taoist Tai Chi Society in the U.S., states that the 36 major and minor yang channels in the body are the 'Celestial Deities' while the yin elements in the body are the '72 Terrestrial Deities.' ... The statement goes on to say that the 'full 108 symbolized the harmonious balance of the yin and the yang and therefore lead to health.  The union of all yin and yang elements represent the return to the holistic and undifferentiated state of the Tao."

Is any of this Biblical or Christian? Isn't it strange that God revealed a wealth of information about disease, its cause and cure to Ellen White, but made no mention of yin, yang, chi, meridians, acupuncture, etc.

Acupuncture and other Eastern alternative therapies are based on pagan occult beliefs and should be shunned by Christians.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on May 29, 2011, 04:41:47 PM
Well, paganism has made use of many of the God-given powers in nature and in the human being. Does that void the wonderful creative powers which our Creator has bestowed in human nature?

Yes, it might be dangerous to use the ying and yang theories as formulated in some cultures, but does that invalidate the Great Controversy theme we see in the fight between good and evil as portrayed so vividly in the writings of Ellen White - and in Scripture?

Acupuncture activates the electric currents God has placed in our nerve system. If I'm not mistaken modern medicine makes use of the same nerves to send and measure currents through our bodies. Ellen White speaks vividly about those electric currents in our bodies which can be used to convey health and healing to our ailing limbs and organs. Does that mean we should discard her admonition to us?

The same parts of our bodies can be used to destoy us and lead us to depart from the divine or to heal us with divine power and bring us salvation through Jesus Christ to make our thinking more like His.

There are Christian physicians who have gained a greater knowledge of how these electric currents  travel through our nerve system by studying how they are influenced by the needles the Chinese have been using through many centuries, and they do this without having anything to do with pagan religion.  Neither the needles nor the nerves are pagan in themselves.

Did someone suggest Christians should never ride in a car because the pagans were the first ones who used the wheel?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: amazinggrace on May 29, 2011, 05:08:26 PM
Johann, the yin and yang theory is not the "good vs. evil" worldview that Christians have.  It is that there is no evil, only opposites that need to work together in harmony.  The qi (chi) has nothing to do with the nervous system in our bodies.  It is a metaphysical energy force which pervades everything in the universe which is pantheism (remember Kellogg?). 

When Manuel Vasquez interviewed Professor Xinnong, a world-renowned acupuncturist professor at the International Acupuncture Center, Mr. Vasquez asked Professor Xinnong if "he could identify the meridians in western medical, physiological or anatomical terms.  He said No.  He said they were mystical and there was no way of identifying them in western medical terms."  The Mainstreaming of the New Age, p. 135

Anyone who believes that acupuncture is a valid and safe way of healing needs to do some serious study into this subject before defending it.  Go to Amazon.com and order the book The Mainstreaming of the New Age or just read some articles online. 
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on May 29, 2011, 05:22:03 PM
Ok tinka, I am sure youare doing the very best you can here, to rectify the situation.  Just stay away from the analogies to other ethnicities and the color of rotting fruit and you will be alright.  this thing is so deep seeded in you at this point, you can't help yourself.  God bless you!
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: amazinggrace on May 30, 2011, 03:47:53 AM
"These Satanic agents claim to cure disease.  They attribute their power to electricity, magnetism, or the so-called 'sympathetic remedies,' while in truth they are but channels for Satan's electric currents.  By this means he casts his spell over the bodies and souls of men." Evangelism, p. 609

This is why acupuncture "works" - the patients are placing themselves under the power of spiritualism.

Even an old Life magazine article on acupuncture commented on a visit to an acupuncture center: "In a case are tonic tablets of Dr. Wu's own prescription - 'We only selected precious materials as deer's horn and seal's kidney.'  Somehow, the spell begins to work even on a stranger.  It sems less like a hospital than a visit to your friendly neighborhood sorcerer.  There is no antiseptic mystique to unsettle patients here, just the practical atmosphere of a working magic shop.  A life-size brass sentinel stands at the door, its frame pitted with 720 acupuncture points with such Chinese names as 'Heavenly Window' and 'Sea of Energy'.".......

The article continues: "  'You must understand, acupuncture comes from a different concept of life,' whispered Dr. Harel. 'The Chinese believe there is a universal energy, called chi, which travels through the human body in 12 pathways or meridians.  We believe that illness is caused by interruptions in that flow of energy.  Disease means imbalance, and the Chinese found the way to restore balance - by stimulating with needles.' "

God revealed to Ellen White that disease is caused by violating the laws of health and can be restored by proper diet, rest, exercise, use of water, temperance, sunshine, fresh air and trust in God.  This is based on true medical science, not Chinese mystical pagan concepts involving pantheism.  Just because some Christian doctors have been duped into becoming involved in acupuncture does not make it right or safe.  These doctors are deceived.  Dr. Kellogg, a highly intelligent man, was also deceived by pantheistic theories and eventually left the SDA church.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on May 30, 2011, 03:59:30 AM
I was not saying that the philosophy used in connection with acupuncture is Christian, nor am I advocating acupuncture. Please don't say that I am saying what I am not.

I fully realize the danger if we follow in the footsteps of Dr. Kellogg and others. But does that mean we should dump ourselves in the ditch on the other side of the road. You are using quotations from the writings of Ellen White avoiding those where she says something quite different.

It seems to me the Seventh-day Adventist Church made a great mistake when some of their missionaries to China declared ancient Chinese values, knowledge, and traditions, as worthless trash in comparison with Western Capitalism, which to them seemed divine. I noticed the same thing when I came to West Africa as a missionary, that some of our ardent former missionaries had taught that Northern European traditions equaled Christian behavior. The natives bought the idea and were baptized because the Europeans were wealthy and cultivated, so they were certain they would achieve wealth as well if they joined our prosperous church. They soon discovered that my salary as a missionary of this wealthy SDA church was much higher than their earnings.

Some Christian missionaries carried the ideas to the third world that much of what the Westerners do is good because we put Christian labels on it. But whatever those people have associated with a "yin" or "yang" label is evil, especially if they use the terms their own people understand when they explain it.  

We are told that pagan Rome worshipped the sun. Is it advocating pagan theories that we should let the rays of the sun enter our homes? Does it  make us more devout Christians if we refuse to let the benefits of anything ever used or mentioned by unbelievers or pagans help us?

What does Jesus Christ say about this? Or the apostle Paul?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on May 30, 2011, 05:06:57 AM
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The brain nerves which communicate with the entire system are the only medium through which Heaven can communicate to man and affect his inmost life. Whatever disturbs the circulation of the electric  currents in the nervous system lessens the strength of the vital powers, and the result is a deadening of the sensibilities of the mind.
Testimonies For The Church 2:347.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on May 30, 2011, 05:17:29 AM
Just because evil powers use these electric currents does that mean they must not be used for good?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: christian on May 30, 2011, 05:28:19 AM
So what I am hearing is this? Danny is evil thus the woman that he reported to be interested in marrying is evil wearing suductive clothing and using acupunture which is evil. If we keep this up if she wasnt planning to marry him she will be now. Back up a minute, we dont really know this lady she could be the sweetest lady you ever want to meet. And even if Danny is being control by evil spirits she could be used for his salvation. Come on folks lets lay off the lady we really dont know her and sometimes we have to be carefull, No, really all the time we have to be careful not to judge. Shoot the Adventist Hospitals use all kinds of stuff much much worse than acupuncture yet we definitly do not tell people not to go to the hospital. 
Just because evil powers use these electric currents does that mean they must not be used for good?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: amazinggrace on May 30, 2011, 05:50:40 AM
The quote "We believe that illness is caused by interruptions in the flow of energy" is from Dr. Harel, an acupuncturist.  I don't believe this.  Again, acupuncture has nothing to do with the electrical currents in the nervous system.  It is based on the "mystical" [spiritualsim] chi, a pantheistic energy force that pagans believe instead of believing in a personal God. It is Satan's counterfeit to the truth.  Please do some research on this.

"When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God?... To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them."  Isa. 8:19, 20

"No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, ad I do not want you to be participants with demons.  You cannot drink of the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons."  I Cor. 10:20,21

"What do righteousness and wickedness have in common?  Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?  What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?...... Therfore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord.  Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."  2 Cor. 6:14, 15, 17

The pagan religious beliefs of the chi and the yin and the yang are not neutral cultural traditions of the Chinese.  They are PANTHEISTIC, a demonic philosophy which totally negates the personal Godhood of God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. 

There are no Ellen White quotes which in any way support acupuncture or anything close to that.  Read Evangelism pp. 602-609 and see if there is anything that would remotely support acupuncture or any other Oriental mystical healing practices.  She gives strong warnings spiritualistic healing practices. 

Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on May 30, 2011, 07:01:43 AM
The quote "We believe that illness is caused by interruptions in the flow of energy" is from Dr. Harel, an acupuncturist.  I don't believe this.  Again, acupuncture has nothing to do with the electrical currents in the nervous system.  It is based on the "mystical" [spiritualsim] chi, a pantheistic energy force that pagans believe instead of believing in a personal God. It is Satan's counterfeit to the truth.  Please do some research on this.

Yes, you are right, up to a point. Acupunture had nothing to do with the electrical currents in the nerve systems to the knowledge of the ancient Chinese, so they explained it in terms their people could understand at that time. In prehistoric times what did they know about electricity? But how about today?

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The term “acupuncture” is sometimes used to refer to insertion of needles at points other than traditional ones, or to applying an electric current to needles in acupuncture points.[4][5]  Acupuncture dates back to prehistoric times, with written records from the second century BCE.[6]  Different variations of acupuncture are practiced and taught throughout the world.[7] - Wikipedia

Some apply the electric current without the use of needles. So your statement that it has nothing to do with electric current is not true.

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"When men tell you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God?... To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them."  Isa. 8:19, 20


Here you presume something based on what?

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"No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, ad I do not want you to be participants with demons.  You cannot drink of the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons."  I Cor. 10:20,21
What does this have to do with our discussion?

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"What do righteousness and wickedness have in common?  Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?  What harmony is there between Christ and Belial?...... Therfore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord.  Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you."  2 Cor. 6:14, 15, 17


In my country the pagan Vikings used herbs as medicine which they undoubtedly associated with their pagan beliefs. Am I therefore touching the unclean when I use some of the same herbs to relieve my cold sore?

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The pagan religious beliefs of the chi and the yin and the yang are not neutral cultural traditions of the Chinese.  They are PANTHEISTIC, a demonic philosophy which totally negates the personal Godhood of God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.


I could say similar things about my Viking ancestors. Quite a few of them even immigrated to North America. But even now I am learning what herbs they were using to heal their prostates. And medical exams show that some of what they did more than a thousand years ago was superior to what they do at Loma Linda today. Should I discard their methods because the Vikings did not believe in Jesus Christ?

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There are no Ellen White quotes which in any way support acupuncture or anything close to that.  Read Evangelism pp. 602-609 and see if there is anything that would remotely support acupuncture or any other Oriental mystical healing practices.  She gives strong warnings spiritualistic healing practices.  

And you evaluate acupuncture because it is nowhere mentioned in the writings of Ellen White? Is that your criteria? Let me state that I have never been treated by acupuncture, nor do I have plans of recommending it to others.

What is my concern is that we use the right reasons to make our decisions.

Even if the ancient Chinese had no knowledge of electricity and applied their pagan terms to what they were doing, does not mean there is no electricity involved. And some physicians today are using electric currents to verify what could be wrong with a patient. They might even use the same nerves as used in acupuncture. We still have them in our bodies, the way God created us, don't we?

I have very little medical knowledge, but I have a notion there could be a similarity to the way hospitals are measuring your heart impulses with EKG machines? Would it prevent you from having a heart scan if you discovered some Chinese, Muslims, Hindus, or people of other persuations are connecting their use of the EKG to yang or yin or budda or what have you - and that they might have done this before hospitals in the Western World were using this equipment?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: amazinggrace on May 30, 2011, 07:55:07 AM
The electrical (nervous) system in anatomy and referred to by Ellen White is NOT the same as the chi energy, meridians, and yin/yang in acupuncture.  Manuel Vasquez wrote: "Perhaps the best definition of the meridians and the collaterals is one that Will Baron (who has a certificate in acupressure) gave me during a personal interview.  'They are,' he said, ' a mystical [spiritualistic] energy system that allegedly co-exists with the anatomical nervous system.' " In other words, the meridians and the chi are supposed to exist in addition to the nervous system, not be the same as the nervous system.
 

I can use the sunshine, herbs and other gifts from God, whether pagans use them or not, because they originate from God and are true.  The belief that there exists a universal energy force called the "chi" that travels through the human body on "meridians" and involves the "yin/yang" (which involves the belief that good and evil do not exist) - this belief does not originate with God and is not true.  It originates with the devil and that is why I reject it.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: amazinggrace on May 30, 2011, 09:04:19 AM
Johann, you quoted from Wikipedia about some acupuncturists applying electricity to their needles in acupuncture and then said that this shows that some apply the electric current without the use of needles, which is not what the article said. 

Then you said my statement about acupuncture having nothing to do with the electric current is not true.  I said that acupuncture has nothing to do with the electric currents in the nervous system of the body, not about acupuncturists using electricity in some of their needles.  What I said was true.

The only possible relationship with acupuncture and the true nervous system of the body is that the insertion of needles would irritate nerve endings, but this would have nothing to do with the cure of disease.

If anything, acupuncture would involve "Satan's electric currents" (Evangelism, p. 609), not the true electric currents of the nervous system. 
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on May 30, 2011, 05:24:56 PM
Right, and let's not forget that the first problem was that "the woman"(I am not sure it was this woman) was black........LOL!!!

So what I am hearing is this? Danny is evil thus the woman that he reported to be interested in marrying is evil wearing suductive clothing and using acupunture which is evil. If we keep this up if she wasnt planning to marry him she will be now. Back up a minute, we dont really know this lady she could be the sweetest lady you ever want to meet. And even if Danny is being control by evil spirits she could be used for his salvation. Come on folks lets lay off the lady we really dont know her and sometimes we have to be carefull, No, really all the time we have to be careful not to judge. Shoot the Adventist Hospitals use all kinds of stuff much much worse than acupuncture yet we definitly do not tell people not to go to the hospital. 
Just because evil powers use these electric currents does that mean they must not be used for good?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Adam on May 30, 2011, 06:18:16 PM
I'd like to know who started this rumor? It appears from Cindy and Co. this is all lies?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: christian on May 31, 2011, 12:35:12 AM
Uh, I aint trying to get nothing started but, she did say the berry being dark means "rotten". Now everyone knows that a dark berry doesn't mean rotten so exactly what is she saying? Its like saying a brown car means rusty. Tinka ain't as stupid as she plays sometimes, she knew (I believe) exactly what she was saying. Aka, the queen of England is define but the lovely Michelle Obama is trashy, even though Michelle ain't all wrinkled up and wearing 1000,00 dollar jewelry, still Tinka thinks she can't hold a candle to the queen, why? But Jaquelyn Kennedy is the most pretty ever but Michelle is like so ugly, why? I stand by my saying the darker the berry the sweeter the juice and their is nothing immoral about that saying. 
Tinka, I am sure you did not mean to infer that all black women are "rotten", and the darker the more "rotten" did you?  If not please rephrase so we can understand your point.  After all no matter the ethnicity of the woman is not the point, it is that it is Danny's 4th marriage.  So far there is nothing wrong that anyone knows of with the women herself. 

straight talk...the darker the berrie...(rotten)
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on May 31, 2011, 05:21:15 AM
It is amazing when one is so far gone that they do not understand "straight talk". There is no room in a Christians mind to waste --evil thoughts comparing "berries" to "humans" just so they can go into their "sexual slangs " and think it real cute. Then come up with all the justified garble of me trying to cover up a "slang of your evil thoughts" when they are yours and not mine. That is why I put it if few words "straight talk" English talk, one word meaning what the English dictionary means. Berry a fruit, not a human being. How stupid can one get? People that think and talk and act this way should not be in doubt where they are headed. But then --too ignorant to know any different of trash talk... and Christian your a trash talker and your character is defined and some on here not far behind as they lean which ever way the wind blows  and they never understand "straight talk" or they could understand the first time what people are posting instead of asking over and over.  Their mind is set, sealed and focused on one thing and never really listen to anyone else but their own sick conclusions usually ending up in "sexual conotations".I have never used slang talk, words of disgust, or swear my whole life. Never a word and people, and my children that know me can tell you that about me. It was never allowed from any family members. Not that they can state what I can away from the house. but that was the rules.  I can discern a persons ignorance immediately by the language and actions they use. So many of the post from different supposedly Adventist on here is most shocking to me and therefore my comments to exploit. But...probably most wasted time as unstableness seems to get worse and worse. I have many other faults but speech, racism, work ethics, are not my downfalls. Hmmm, could be comments made up front.....!! and probably because I am a very worry wort for all including my own sins that I try to search out daily.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on May 31, 2011, 10:38:49 AM
That is why I asked her what she meant, by letting her know how it sounded.  Everyone knows that ALL berries are not dark when they are rotten, and that some berries are just dark(blueberries, black berries) by nature. So the analogy used was weak at best.  This is why I pray constantly for people. 

Some things are just so deep seeded they are hard to see within ourselves.  This applies both to racism itself and for those who have been scarred by it.  One doesn't realize how racist their statements( even they themselves)are, and the second looks for racism, sometimes where it doesn't exist.  I don't want to fall into the second category, because I have also lived in mixed or predominently white neighborhoods being raised middle/upper middle class and just feel it is counter productive.  I(and you) know it when I see it(no matter how subtle), but I also know it is not always intentional, or I just give the person the benefit of the doubt.  As I did with Tinka, I repeated what she she said as it was heard, and she basically tried her best to recant it. well it ended up more like an explanation of why she said it.  That thing is now between her and God.  Conviction and conversion as the work of the Holy Spirit. 

At the end of the day, my relationship with God requires that I see and love ALL as my brothers and sisters in Christ, You know that thing is not about faith with people we like....right?   


Uh, I aint trying to get nothing started but, she did say the berry being dark means "rotten". Now everyone knows that a dark berry doesn't mean rotten so exactly what is she saying? Its like saying a brown car means rusty. Tinka ain't as stupid as she plays sometimes, she knew (I believe) exactly what she was saying. Aka, the queen of England is define but the lovely Michelle Obama is trashy, even though Michelle ain't all wrinkled up and wearing 1000,00 dollar jewelry, still Tinka thinks she can't hold a candle to the queen, why? But Jaquelyn Kennedy is the most pretty ever but Michelle is like so ugly, why? I stand by my saying the darker the berry the sweeter the juice and their is nothing immoral about that saying. 
Tinka, I am sure you did not mean to infer that all black women are "rotten", and the darker the more "rotten" did you?  If not please rephrase so we can understand your point.  After all no matter the ethnicity of the woman is not the point, it is that it is Danny's 4th marriage.  So far there is nothing wrong that anyone knows of with the women herself. 

straight talk...the darker the berrie...(rotten)
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on June 01, 2011, 06:25:55 AM
That is why I asked her what she meant, by letting her know how it sounded. (Why would you have to ask me what I meant when I was very simply using English language counteracting "trash talk" used by Christian that basically all stood up for because lack of trained English wording to someone that reads very carefully for correct understanding. I knew Christian was doing trash talk)  Everyone knows that ALL berries are not dark when they are rotten, and that some berries are just dark(blueberries, black berries) by nature. (Now you got it here --as dark can be any color after the vibrant peak of use  while not comparing it to humans. Tell me- have you ever tasted too old of berries? I have. but you still continue your mind in gutter by comparing berries to humans simply because Christian first came up with the obnoxious post and you all went with it instead of letting the "counteraction" "straight talk" of trash talk settle in)  I should not have had to explain that)  So the analogy used was weak at best. No, it is not weak only to your lack of understanding (Your prayer should take you away from surmising other peoples thoughts. while trash talk is used to accuse others what Christian first stated. My mind does not think in trash talk)  
Some things are just so deep seeded they are hard to see within ourselves. (You can state that again for yourself.)   This applies both to racism itself and for those who have been scarred by it.  One doesn't realize how racist their statements ( even they themselves)are, and the second looks for racism, sometimes where it doesn't exist.  I don't want to fall into the second category, because I have also lived in mixed or predominently white neighborhoods being raised middle/upper middle class and just feel it is counter productive.  I(and you) know it when I see it(no matter how subtle), but I also know it is not always intentional, or I just give the person the benefit of the doubt. (No, you did not give me the benefit of the doubt as you immediately used your "trash thoughts" like Christian has --to not even begin to understand my counter action to his obnoxious post. You should have had the same feelings when Christian posted what he posted but no it was instant racism, and surmising my thoughts were like the both of you) As I did with Tinka, I repeated what she she said as it was heard, (you should not have been listening to your thoughts but reading what my counteraction of trash talk was)  and she basically tried her best to recant it. (Now there is more surmising again wouldn't you say cause my exact post was to counter act the "sexual connotations used to compare berries with humans to suit ones obnoxious thoughts) well it ended up more like an explanation of why she said it.  That thing is now between her and God. (Yes it is and he knows beyond doubt that I took great offense to posters evil comparisons for the juice of the berry to human sex and others lack of intelligent use of English.)   Conviction and conversion as the work of the Holy Spirit.  

At the end of the day, my relationship with God requires that I see and love ALL as my brothers and sisters in Christ, You know that thing is not about faith with people we like....right?  You need to read and study more instead of , games. You know it takes more time to post in the manner of off the wall language then just to use what we were taught in school. and I know you went just like I did. So why go into the difference? You are the same American as me.
Uh, I aint trying to get nothing started ( you always start it with your trash talk)  but, she did say the berry being dark means "rotten". ( Try a few dark strawberries and get educated.   Now everyone knows that a dark berry doesn't mean rotten so exactly what is she saying? (You need education in nature)Its like saying a brown car means rusty. (How stupid is this talk)Tinka ain't as stupid as she plays sometimes, she knew (I believe) exactly what she was saying. Yes, I knew exactly to counteract your trash talk)  Aka, the queen of England is define but the lovely Michelle Obama is trashy, ( laugh you must have caught the Walmart scene)  even though Michelle ain't all wrinkled up (has nothing to do with wrinkles, it has to do with morals as least to public view)  and wearing 1000,00 dollar jewelry, still Tinka thinks she can't hold a candle to the queen, why? (cause it takes class and not style and her style is humerus and I think her stylest has pulled one on her and she just don't get it or she would not be the talk of the town in laughter each time of appearing)  But Jaquelyn Kennedy is the most pretty ever but Michelle is like so ugly, why? ( don't think you could have gotten Jackie K. into the peacock bow on the back end.   I stand by my saying the darker the berry the sweeter the juice and their is nothing immoral about that saying. ( The darker the strawberry the moldier it is and that is a fact of English language and natural ending of a strawberry. and that is plain enough for anyone! and I just don't see to use this analogy with human women but a disgusting place of evil minded people.)  THUS, the darker the berry....rotten(STRAIGHT TALK) or just plain english words to get the attention of not using sexual of humans to berries and it went straight over your heads into surmizing evil of postings from Christian...the christian now that is a  :ROFL:.  
Tinka, I am sure you did not mean to infer that all black women are "rotten", and the darker the more "rotten" did you?  If not please rephrase so we can understand your point.  After all no matter the ethnicity of the woman is not the point, it is that it is Danny's 4th marriage.  So far there is nothing wrong that anyone knows of with the women herself.  

straight talk...the darker the berrie...(rotten)
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on June 01, 2011, 07:41:44 AM
I try not to be political. However Tinka's opinion what she thinks others think of the first lady has kind of gone unchallenged. Might I say that I see nothing wrong with Michelle Obama's style or deportment. She might be a little informal and she seems not to be so impressed by pomp and ceremony but that is her right and her style (I believe that the root work of pompous is pomp is it not?). That is not her thing and she seems to me to be a breath of fresh air. She seems very genuine and I admire that. I also admire the way she has shielded her daughters from publicity.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: GRAT on June 01, 2011, 09:02:09 AM
Oh My My Tinka - I was educated in American Schools, after 3rd grade all Adventist, and I have never heard the English language used in the way you write.  Sometimes I have to read what you say two or three times and still don't get what you are trying to say.  And I am not stupid!!  One of the problems with communicating this way is that you can't see the other persons face.  Face to face give you a lot of clues as to what the other person means, is it serious or a joke ect.  You may not realize it but you come across, to me at least, as judgmental and like you have a direct line to the Holy Spirit as to what is right and wrong because you have read all of Mrs. Whites writings.  A person can not have a conversation of give and take with someone like that.
  AS to Mrs. Obama, have you never had a picture of yourself taken that you wished you could destroy?  Are you sure that that "@Walmart" picture has not been photo-shopped?   I am not a big fan of our President but have always thought of Michelle as a very classy lady.  So she doesn't dress like you, is that a crime against humanity? 
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on June 01, 2011, 08:02:32 PM
 :ROFL: Grat You are so right! In school English was my favorite subject and always made A's and the harder it was the better I liked it. It has ended up that I weigh each word as I read but the strangest thing happening is because I think I have typed for so many years that I know exactly what is happening to me as I type many times faster keeping up with thoughts. OLD AGE SETTING IN. Also my spelling is going terrible as I am resorting back to spelling in just phonics or how it sounds and many times have to go to dictionary now when I want to write something legal or where it matters. When I find the correct spelling it just don't seem right at times but it is. I know you won't believe this either but I have actually edited. Seems I have no problem reading but when I go to type I discover many phrases are put in backwards from verbs to nouns or nouns to verbs. So I acknowledge everything your saying. I am hitting the delete botton now more then the words get typed. So maybe I should just quit looking at Advent Talk.  It is my only outside links for sometime now but quickly I see much failing me maybe cause so much stress but....your right and I still I believe that my reading is ok yet but still can't believe some of the junk or sagas that take place and trash talk that comes on here. Oh well, I still hope to be renewed...someday. and trauma and stress are very great in my life right now. I am hanging on to the promises as it is every bit all I have left.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on June 02, 2011, 11:26:55 AM
Thank you, Grat!!!  No, you are not stupid!  I thought I was because I also have to read Tinka's post several times to get her meaning, and I did very well in English all through school, even helping others with their papers through college, to this day where I proof papers for friends and family all the time.

Fact is, when I first came across one of your posts, Tinka, I asked you if English was your first language and/or where you were from orginally, do you remember that?  So, that is why I asked you about the "berry" comment.  I really didn't believe you meant for the comment to say what it seemed to say.  No need for you to get defensive, I really was giving you the benefit of the doubt. 

Oh My My Tinka - I was educated in American Schools, after 3rd grade all Adventist, and I have never heard the English language used in the way you write.  Sometimes I have to read what you say two or three times and still don't get what you are trying to say.  And I am not stupid!!  One of the problems with communicating this way is that you can't see the other persons face.  Face to face give you a lot of clues as to what the other person means, is it serious or a joke ect.  You may not realize it but you come across, to me at least, as judgmental and like you have a direct line to the Holy Spirit as to what is right and wrong because you have read all of Mrs. Whites writings.  A person can not have a conversation of give and take with someone like that.
  AS to Mrs. Obama, have you never had a picture of yourself taken that you wished you could destroy?  Are you sure that that "@Walmart" picture has not been photo-shopped?   I am not a big fan of our President but have always thought of Michelle as a very classy lady.  So she doesn't dress like you, is that a crime against humanity? 
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on June 03, 2011, 05:39:53 AM
Really? I find the same problem with reading Di's post too. Could it be our age creeping in? :ROFL:
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on June 03, 2011, 05:54:54 AM
Tinka, I can read Di's fine. Yours are a little iffy. I thought English must not be your first language. The phrasing is difficult for me to decipher. But keep posting and don't get discouraged.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on June 03, 2011, 10:36:35 AM
childoftheking,
About 2 years ago I had to have some dental work and had a couple of implants bonegrafs and I went to a unversity to have it done thinking while the professors were there all would be rightly done. When I had main surgeries many mistakes were made by students and have endured much pain and pressure all this time and eye seems to bulge now from the pressure. They denied any wrong doing and told me to get another dr outside for any side effects. My nose and face is numb. Severe headaches, and pressure. I cannot focus well now and my balance is not good and have fallen a few times. Had to get help so went to a main state clinic and other university to show that infection has been for 2 years. I am having surgery on June 13 th hopefully to get it all corrected to remove infection 3 teeth and cists from prolonged non treatment on their part. It now will be lawyers (had no choice cause they had my money and I now need it to get fixed) and more mess. Having to deal with much and the worst is living without my husband. I am thankful for my belief and knowing there is God.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on June 03, 2011, 11:17:02 AM
Sounds miserable. I hope your health problems can be fixed. Did your husband pass away? I am so sorry it if that happened. I know you  have been going through a lot but I guess I didn't realize you had lost him. I must have missed reading about that if you posted it.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on June 03, 2011, 11:53:08 AM
Yes, on Feb 9 he went to take a bath that eve as we worked on my invention that very day. He was an engineer on most everything and told me my idea would work. at 9:30 I wanted to ask him a question and really thought he was taking pretty long and as I opened the door I was in horror and really have not come out of it yet. I pounded and pounded to revive him. But my daughter who is a nurse told me it was instant as the two gashes of face from falling never bleed.  Jesus took him gently as he could. In an instant and he never knew and he never suffered but I know he is sealed with Jesus. He gave all his life to anyone he could, was faithful and loved and befriended everyone even when his whole life work they took. I know that his belief could not be shook and surely Jesus knew too.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on June 03, 2011, 03:06:19 PM
That must have been difficult because you had no warning. Still, you can be thankful because he probably didn't suffer.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: GRAT on June 03, 2011, 09:39:13 PM
So sorry Tinka, sounds like you have had just about more than a person can take.  Will be praying for your surgery, that is goes well and is successful.  Keep posting as it is good for all our brains to work a little harder.   :puppykisses:
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Adam on June 03, 2011, 09:53:18 PM
 :goodpost:
So sorry Tinka, sounds like you have had just about more than a person can take.  Will be praying for your surgery, that is goes well and is successful.  Keep posting as it is good for all our brains to work a little harder.   :puppykisses:
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Adam on June 03, 2011, 09:54:27 PM
Tinka: I pray the Lord's blessings on you. Sorry to hear about your husband! I consider you a true friend, as we have communicated on this forum or through PM. You are an inspiration to me! May God Bless you!
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: princessdi on June 05, 2011, 11:48:56 PM
Tinka, you know that we disagree on most things here an din life in general, but you also know that you are in my prayers.  We have had quite a bit of loss in my family also. It is never easy.  I also add your issues with you surgery, and that all will be well with you soon.  God's continued love, comfort, and healing to you and your family.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: tinka on June 06, 2011, 04:45:23 AM
Thank you to all for prayer and care. It's been a long trial in many ways. I look forward to feeling better after the surgery.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: christian on June 13, 2011, 04:30:37 AM
Tinka, you know that we disagree on most things here an din life in general, but you also know that you are in my prayers.  We have had quite a bit of loss in my family also. It is never easy.  I also add your issues with you surgery, and that all will be well with you soon.  God's continued love, comfort, and healing to you and your family.
Princess, as always being the princess you are. We all have problems in this life but we have to focus on the blessings the Lord has given us. I know that God love all even the African that is living on the street with only one set of cloths, God loves them. And because the bible makes it abundantly clear that "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth on Him should not perish." Loving everyone is the theme of the Bible, no matter what their differences in opinion might be, we cannot judge the heart. Tinka, you are in my prayers that your surgery will go well. 
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: childoftheking on June 13, 2011, 04:41:00 AM
And christian, might I say that God loves all - even the king in his castle or the executive in  his penthouse who thinks he is better than others and doesn't feel his need of God even though some of the most humble are much closer to the kingdom of heaven than they.

Your use of the word even sticks me. As if you thought being African or homeless made him "less than" although he was loved by God "anyway". Reminds me of the song we used to sing "Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world. Red or yellow, black or white - All are precious in His sight. Jesus loves the little children of the world."

Equally! And then when they get older are they not still loved? Equally?
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: christian on June 15, 2011, 01:24:53 AM
And christian, might I say that God loves all - even the king in his castle or the executive in  his penthouse who thinks he is better than others and doesn't feel his need of God even though some of the most humble are much closer to the kingdom of heaven than they.

Your use of the word even sticks me. As if you thought being African or homeless made him "less than" although he was loved by God "anyway". Reminds me of the song we used to sing "Jesus loves the little children. All the children of the world. Red or yellow, black or white - All are precious in His sight. Jesus loves the little children of the world."

Equally! And then when they get older are they not still loved? Equally?
I was not trying to imply that God's love was less for them or that they were less in my eye sight. I was speaking from my own experience with the poverty that I have witness. Sometimes it leads one to ask the question where is God? But the bible makes it clear that God loves all. even Jesus himself seemed rejected of God a man of sorrow and of grief. And yes, God loves even the richest man in the castle or the executive or the millionaire too. But some countries and cultures seem to bear a greater burden of suffering and sorrow than others, it is from this light that I am speaking.
Title: Re: Wedding Bells In the Air
Post by: Johann on October 02, 2011, 09:26:04 AM
This has been waiting for quite a while.

Johann, you quoted from Wikipedia about some acupuncturists applying electricity to their needles in acupuncture and then said that this shows that some apply the electric current without the use of needles, which is not what the article said. 
I see that our communication is going in differrent directions. The quote from Wikipedia does not state that some apply the electric current without the use of needles. This was a statement I added because I know of people who are not using acupuncture as such, but are using the same channels to measure the currents in the body and then using modern electronic equipment to discover the faults - or sickness - that is in the body. The first person I met who did this was not a physician but an engineer with the Army Corps of Engineers who used this method to discover a large cancerous cyst in her own body. This was later removed.


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Then you said my statement about acupuncture having nothing to do with the electric current is not true.  I said that acupuncture has nothing to do with the electric currents in the nervous system of the body, not about acupuncturists using electricity in some of their needles.  What I said was true.
I am not an expert but what I said is based on what experts who are handling this with modern electronic equipment are telling me. So we have information based on different sources.
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The only possible relationship with acupuncture and the true nervous system of the body is that the insertion of needles would irritate nerve endings, but this would have nothing to do with the cure of disease.
You are right, and I do not know of any people using these "currents" to cure diseases, but merely to diagnose the malady and thereafter cure it with other acceptable methods.
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If anything, acupuncture would involve "Satan's electric currents" (Evangelism, p. 609), not the true electric currents of the nervous system. 


Acupuncture might well be used as a tool in the hands of Satan, but that does not prevent the (evil?) needles of the acupuncturist from touching the true electric currents which God has placed in our system.