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Title: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 20, 2011, 09:37:43 AM
I just got a phone call from a fellow who claimed to be Attorney Jeff Herman. He said that a lawsuit was filed in federal court against 3ABN, and that he was about to head to a press conference about it.
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Post by: Johann on June 20, 2011, 10:41:30 AM
http://www.hermanlaw.com/attorneys/jeff-herman
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Post by: Adam on June 20, 2011, 11:36:07 AM
That is right about 10 am this morning attorneys for plaintiff, Alex Walker, filed their law suit in Chicago Illinois against 3ABN. Sources have told me there was huge media coverage for this event.
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Post by: JustWondering on June 20, 2011, 11:42:32 AM
That is right about 10 am this morning attorneys for plaintiff, Alex Walker, filed their law suit in Chicago Illinois against 3ABN. Sources have told me there was huge media coverage for this event.
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/chibrknews-christian-network-sued-in-child-sex-abuse-case-20110620,0,3558847.story (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/chibrknews-christian-network-sued-in-child-sex-abuse-case-20110620,0,3558847.story)
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 11:49:06 AM
That was fast!
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 11:52:05 AM
Christian network sued in child sex abuse case
   
By Manya Brachear
Tribune reporter
1:37 p.m. CDT, June 20, 2011

An international Christian radio and television network based in West Frankfort and the brother of the network’s founder were named in a federal child sex abuse lawsuit filed in Chicago today.

Three Angels Broadcasting Network, or 3ABN, and the Rev. Tommy Shelton, the brother of the network’s founder Danny Shelton, were named in the complaint filed by plaintiff Alex Walker, 25, of Mattoon.

Walker alleges that Tommy Shelton sexually abused him when he worked as a production assistant at 3ABN in 2001. Walker’s lawyer Jeff Herman of Miami said Shelton commuted to 3ABN from his home in Kentucky for the purpose of abusing Walker, which Herman believes makes the civil suit a federal case.

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Walker originally met Shelton in 1997 during a two-month visit to Virginia, where Shelton served as a pastor. Shelton now faces criminal charges in Virginia tied to those abuse allegations.

A spokeswoman for 3ABN said she had not seen the lawsuit. The network is affiliated with the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

mbrachear@tribune.com
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 11:55:05 AM

A spokeswoman for 3ABN said she had not seen the lawsuit. The network is affiliated with the Seventh Day Adventist Church.


Probably Linda Shelton will be happy not to be listed as a co-founder now.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 20, 2011, 12:27:10 PM
Just wait til Alex enters the "No spin Zone" with Bill O'Reilley off fox news!
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 12:37:24 PM
What is that about?
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Post by: Johann on June 20, 2011, 12:39:46 PM
Who will 3ABN sue now for the attention they get?
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Post by: Adam on June 20, 2011, 12:45:29 PM
Artiste...over the law suit.   Johann....who knows? Hopefully this is a wake up call that change needs to take place! Wonder who their spokeswoman is? Mollie or Dee?
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 01:00:30 PM
Is Alex going to be on Bill O'Reilly?
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Post by: Johann on June 20, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
Is Alex going to be on Bill O'Reilly?

I read that somewhere. Does anyone know when it will be broadcast?

Fox can be viewed on the Internet.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on June 20, 2011, 01:28:36 PM
Ok?!!   I've been saying it.  They paid her to keep quiet and one day they would wish they hadn't!  LOL!!!  I know they wish she could take some of this heat!  LOL!!


Probably Linda Shelton will be happy not to be listed as a co-founder now.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on June 20, 2011, 01:37:29 PM
You can try looking on the Fox site.  Those news shows tend not to have a schedule or a very flexible schedule, allowing last minute changes in favor of the most current news stories.


Is Alex going to be on Bill O'Reilly?

I read that somewhere. Does anyone know when it will be broadcast?

Fox can be viewed on the Internet.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on June 20, 2011, 01:40:51 PM
Probably Linda Shelton will be happy not to be listed as a co-founder now.

Or someone wish they were neither founder nor president nor chairman.
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 02:04:49 PM
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Pastor Jim Gilley Presents Anchors of Truth Series in June: “Thriving Faith in Difficult Times”

This is posted on the 3ABN website, to begin in a couple of days.

"Difficult Times"... possibly a prescient choice of subject for 3ABN?



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Post by: childoftheking on June 20, 2011, 02:17:22 PM
http://www.wgnradio.com/search/dispatcher.front?Query=3abn&target=adv_article

wgn radio and wgn tv are affiliates of the Chicago Tribune.
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 02:21:01 PM
I see that a couple of other internet sites have picked up the story, also.
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Post by: princessdi on June 20, 2011, 02:25:57 PM
Sooooo, is GC...anybody going to put out a statement that 3ABN is and "independent ministry"?  Because this could become a hot mess for GC real quick.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 20, 2011, 02:45:38 PM
Trust me more and more people will find out. Alex is scheduled to do a few interviews in Southern Illinois when he returns home 
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 04:11:27 PM
Sooooo, is GC...anybody going to put out a statement that 3ABN is and "independent ministry"?  Because this could become a hot mess for GC real quick.

I see that the 3ABN website has a complete page under "Seventh-day Adventist", listing the 28 fundamental beliefs of Adventism.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 20, 2011, 04:21:14 PM
Someone wrote me the following:

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I see in the 3ABN world that Elder Ted Wilson is scheduled to be on 3ABN live Thursday July 21 at
8:00 PM CDT.

Doesn't sound like the best of timing, does it?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: vestedinterest on June 20, 2011, 04:24:29 PM
Sources have told me there was huge media coverage for this event.
Hmmm, we must have very divergent sources...
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 04:48:49 PM
Someone wrote me the following:

Quote
I see in the 3ABN world that Elder Ted Wilson is scheduled to be on 3ABN live Thursday July 21 at
8:00 PM CDT.

Doesn't sound like the best of timing, does it?

No, not good timing...

I wonder if Ted Wilson will answer questions about the relation of the Seventh-day Adventist church to 3ABN in regards to the molestation charges.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 20, 2011, 05:06:15 PM
The Chicago Tribune's story now says that 3ABN has issued a statement, that Brad closely supervised Alex, that they believe there is no merit to the claims, and that they intend to vigorously defend their good name.

Why would Brad feel a need to closely supervise Alex? For the same reason that Danny told someone around the early '90's not to let Tommy take a boy out to eat?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 05:15:16 PM
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Christian network sued in child sex abuse case

Tommy Shelton (Fairfax County Police Department photo)

By Manya Brachear
Tribune reporter
6:15 p.m. CDT, June 20, 2011

An international Christian radio and television network based in West Frankfort and the brother of the network’s founder were named in a federal child sex abuse lawsuit filed in Chicago today.

Three Angels Broadcasting Network, or 3ABN, and the Rev. Tommy Shelton, the brother of the network’s founder Danny Shelton, were named in the complaint filed by plaintiff Alex Walker, 25, of Mattoon.

Walker alleges that Tommy Shelton sexually abused him when he worked as a production assistant at 3ABN in 2001. Walker’s lawyer Jeff Herman of Miami said Shelton commuted to 3ABN from his home in Kentucky for the purpose of abusing Walker, which Herman believes makes the civil suit a federal case.

Walker originally met Shelton in 1997 during a two-month visit to Virginia, where Shelton served as a pastor. Shelton now faces criminal charges in Virginia tied to abuse allegations from Walker and another person.

The suit accuses 3ABN of negligence, claiming leaders were aware of the threat Shelton posed to children.

In a statement released by 3ABN, the network said Shelton had no reason to come into contact with Walker, who was closely supervised by his older brother.

“3ABN does not believe that the claims against it have any merit,” the statement said. “We intend to vigorously defend the good name of our organization.”

The network is affiliated with the Seventh Day Adventist Church.

mbrachear@tribune.com

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 05:17:11 PM
So Tommy Shelton had no reason to come into contact with the victim...

What about other victims who have come forward?
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 05:27:57 PM
The story was also picked up by a blog:  "BishopAccountability.org – Documenting the Abuse Crisis".
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Post by: Adam on June 20, 2011, 05:44:37 PM
New Child Sex Abuse Lawsuit Filed Against International Christian Network

 

Suit Says Teen Was Sexually Abused by Network President’s Brother




WHAT

A press conference to announce the filing of a new sex abuse lawsuit against Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN), an international Christian broadcasting network, and the alleged perpetrator, whose brother runs the network

 

WHEN/WHEN

TODAY, June 20, 12:00pm, across the street from the federal courthouse , 219 S. Dearborn, on the post office plaza at the corner of Adams & Dearborn, Chicago

 

WHO

The plaintiff-victim and his attorney, a Miami-based advocate for survivors of sexual abuse who has represented hundreds of victims of childhood sexual abuse

 

DETAILS

JEFF HERMAN, a nationally recognized advocate for survivors of childhood sexual abuse, announces the filing of a new lawsuit against one of the world’s largest Christian broadcasting networks, and the alleged perpetrator, whose brother is the network’s president. 

 

According to the lawsuit, the teenage victim first met the alleged perpetrator, TOMMY SHELTON, in the late 1990s while Shelton was working for the Illinois-based THREE ANGELS NETWORK (3ABN) in Virginia.  In 2001, the boy began working at the network HQ, about the same time that Shelton was removed from a position as a minister in the Church of God religion for allegations that he sexually abused another child.  Shelton returned to the 3ABN headquarters, where his brother, DANNY SHELTON, was president. The suit says that Tommy Shelton began sexually abusing the boy at the 3ABN facility that same year. According to the suit, Danny Shelton was aware of the allegations against his brother, along with earlier allegations from the 1980s that Tommy Shelton molested children at an Illinois church, prior to the boy’s abuse.     

 

Walker v. Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., et al. was filed in Chicago federal court early Monday morning.  Copies of the Complaint will be available at the press event, along with a photo of Tommy Shelton.

 

The plaintiff-victim will appear at the press event and give a brief statement.

 

Tommy Shelton is currently in Virginia, where he is now facing criminal charges for the sexual abuse of a minor.

 

CONTACT

Jeff Herman 305 409 7371, jherman@hermanlaw.com

Jessica Arbour 305 318 5444, jarbour@hermanlaw.com

 

HERMAN, MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, P.A.

18205 Biscayne Blvd., Suite 2218

Miami, FL 33160

(305) 931-2200

www.hermanlaw.com


 

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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 05:47:42 PM
Looking to see the update on Wikipedia.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 05:55:30 PM

New Child Sex Abuse Lawsuit Filed Against International Christian Network

Suit Says Teen Was Sexually Abused by Network President’s Brother

WHAT
A press conference to announce the filing of a new sex abuse lawsuit against Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN), an international Christian broadcasting network, and the alleged perpetrator, whose brother runs the network

WHEN/WHEN
TODAY, June 20, 12:00pm, across the street from the federal courthouse , 219 S. Dearborn, on the post office plaza at the corner of Adams & Dearborn, Chicago

WHO
The plaintiff-victim and his attorney, a Miami-based advocate for survivors of sexual abuse who has represented hundreds of victims of childhood sexual abuse

DETAILS
JEFF HERMAN, a nationally recognized advocate for survivors of childhood sexual abuse, announces the filing of a new lawsuit against one of the world’s largest Christian broadcasting networks, and the alleged perpetrator, whose brother is the network’s president. 

According to the lawsuit, the teenage victim first met the alleged perpetrator, TOMMY SHELTON, in the late 1990s while Shelton was working for the Illinois-based THREE ANGELS NETWORK (3ABN) in Virginia.  In 2001, the boy began working at the network HQ, about the same time that Shelton was removed from a position as a minister in the Church of God religion for allegations that he sexually abused another child.  Shelton returned to the 3ABN headquarters, where his brother, DANNY SHELTON, was president. The suit says that Tommy Shelton began sexually abusing the boy at the 3ABN facility that same year. According to the suit, Danny Shelton was aware of the allegations against his brother, along with earlier allegations from the 1980s that Tommy Shelton molested children at an Illinois church, prior to the boy’s abuse.     

Walker v. Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., et al. was filed in Chicago federal court early Monday morning.  Copies of the Complaint will be available at the press event, along with a photo of Tommy Shelton.

The plaintiff-victim will appear at the press event and give a brief statement.

Tommy Shelton is currently in Virginia, where he is now facing criminal charges for the sexual abuse of a minor.

CONTACT

Jeff Herman 305 409 7371, jherman@hermanlaw.com

Jessica Arbour 305 318 5444, jarbour@hermanlaw.com

HERMAN, MERMELSTEIN & HOROWITZ, P.A.

18205 Biscayne Blvd., Suite 2218

Miami, FL 33160

(305) 931-2200

www.hermanlaw.com

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This says that 3ABN is one of the world’s largest Christian broadcasting networks.  But they have claimed that themselves, in the past, haven't they?
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 06:00:05 PM
Looking to see the update on Wikipedia.

I see the update now.
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Post by: Adam on June 20, 2011, 06:01:52 PM
Sources have told me there was huge media coverage for this event.
Hmmm, we must have very divergent sources...

LOL!!!!!!! Like you knew what was taking place in Illinois from Virginia???
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Post by: Adam on June 20, 2011, 06:41:26 PM
This is updated:



By Manya Brachear
 
Tribune reporter
 
8:15 p.m. CDT, June 20, 2011
An international Christian radio and television network based in West Frankfort in southern Illinois and the brother of the network’s founder were named in a federal child-sex-abuse lawsuit filed in Chicago today.

Three Angels Broadcasting Network, or 3ABN, and the Rev. Tommy Shelton, the brother of the network’s founder Danny Shelton, were named in the complaint filed by plaintiff Alex Walker, of Mattoon.
 
 Walker, now 25, alleges that Tommy Shelton sexually abused him when he worked as a production assistant at 3ABN in 2001. Walker’s lawyer, Jeff Herman, of Miami, said Shelton commuted to 3ABN from his home in Kentucky for the purpose of abusing Walker, which Herman believes makes the civil suit a federal case.

The suit accuses 3ABN of negligence, claiming leaders were aware of the threat Shelton posed to children.

In statement released by 3ABN, the network said Shelton had no reason to come into contact with Walker, who was closely supervised by Walker’s older brother.

“3ABN does not believe that the claims against it have any merit,” the statement said. “We intend to vigorously defend the good name of our organization.”

Walker said he originally met Shelton in 1997 during a two-month visit to Virginia, where Shelton served as a pastor. Shelton now faces criminal charges in Virginia’s Fairfax County tied to Walker’s and another man’s abuse allegations.

According to the civil suit filed Monday, Shelton, a pastor ordained by the Church of God, was suspended by that denomination in 1985 apparently after sexual abuse allegations against him surfaced. He continued to work for Ezra Church of God until the early 1990s.

Shortly after leaving, he started working a variety of jobs for 3ABN, the suit says, eventually moving to Virginia.

After Walker’s brother married Shelton’s daughter, he said, he visited the couple and Shelton in Virginia in 1997. Walker said Shelton abused him on bike rides behind the church where he worked during a two-month time period.

In 2001, Walker said his brother got him a part-time job in the production department of 3ABN in West Frankfort, where Shelton then worked. The abuse continued for a year, according to the suit.

In 2008, Walker went to law enforcement in Virginia, where there is no statute of limitations on sexual abuse allegations. Herman said they would report the allegations in Illinois to federal authorities.

The 3ABN network is affiliated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. A Seventh-day Adventist group called Save-3ABN has created a website demanding transparency and accountability from the network. It has posted numerous letters and documents that indicate the network was aware of allegations against Shelton decades ago.

In response, the network has sued the group for defamation of character and trademark infringement.

“It’s against our faith to lie,” said Bob Pickle, one of the defendants in that lawsuit. “It’s against our faith to molest children. The idea of no accountability has the potential for making my faith look bad.”


mbrachear@tribune.com

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 20, 2011, 07:23:14 PM
Some of you may want to monitor Save-3ABN.com (http://www.Save-3ABN.com) to check on the counter periodically. It was going at a rate of 1000 or more a day at times I think in 2007, but has been a bit slower since.

But it seems to be clicking along a lot faster now. It was 519330 just a little bit ago, like 10 minutes ago maybe, and is now 519350.
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Post by: Adam on June 20, 2011, 07:30:02 PM
Alex was just on WGN news!
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Post by: vestedinterest on June 20, 2011, 09:09:37 PM
LOL!!!!!!! Like you knew what was taking place in Illinois from Virginia???
Is it very difficult to be antagonistic and contentious all the time, or does it get easier with practice? You amaze me.
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Post by: Bob Pickle on June 20, 2011, 09:12:28 PM
Watch Alex here:

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Post by: princessdi on June 20, 2011, 09:41:28 PM
I have always aid, we are only one story away from being busted out just like the RCC.  All it will take now is a ambitious 20/20 reporter who starts looking into the past practices of the SDA church and abuses, especially child molestation.  That sotry here in northern Cali is still fresh in a lot of people's mind.......
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Post by: Artiste on June 20, 2011, 11:20:00 PM
Some of you may want to monitor Save-3ABN.com (http://www.Save-3ABN.com) to check on the counter periodically. It was going at a rate of 1000 or more a day at times I think in 2007, but has been a bit slower since.

But it seems to be clicking along a lot faster now. It was 519330 just a little bit ago, like 10 minutes ago maybe, and is now 519350.

I just checked the site myself this afternoon.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 21, 2011, 02:46:26 AM
Alex will be doing an interview today on River Radio news. A Radio station that covers Southern Illinois.
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Post by: Johann on June 21, 2011, 03:48:01 AM
This is updated:

By Manya Brachear
Tribune reporter
8:15 p.m. CDT, June 20, 2011
An international Christian radio and television network based in West Frankfort in southern Illinois and the brother of the network’s founder were named in a federal child-sex-abuse lawsuit filed in Chicago today.

Three Angels Broadcasting Network, or 3ABN, and the Rev. Tommy Shelton, the brother of the network’s founder Danny Shelton, were named in the complaint filed by plaintiff Alex Walker, of Mattoon.
- - -
“3ABN does not believe that the claims against it have any merit,” the statement said. “We intend to vigorously defend the good name of our organization.”
- - -
mbrachear@tribune.com

They hatch their studio chicks but are not able to prevent the FOX [TV] from entering the den.
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Post by: tinka on June 21, 2011, 06:59:40 AM
Adam,
Please relate to Alex my heartfelt statement for him.
I am just recuperating and still on pain meds for exploratory surgery to undue cysts and infection for 2 years from bad dental work. Whole face is taking a beating right now but I was shocked when I opened up just now on a better day for me.

First of all the shock is that I have your twin for a grandson, handsome, wholesome, clean cut looking. He is just 15 though and is tops in all sports and looks about 18 in size and maturity.
 I saw you and my heart I do not know if angrier or outburst in tears. Alex, you are a beautiful person, and must by all means feel that all this will come to an end and you have everything going to lead the rest of your life to eternity. It has been a horrible trial and some even worse as some are murdered in body and spirit. You appear to stand and have courage and as bad as it seems now, this post has endured, justifications, cover ups, lies and horrible ness from all directions of disbelief from the denials of the  :horse"eating up all the hay" and where did all that hay go to --nowhere but to the ground and now they will suffer the consequences. They have been warned by few and felt all would be protected by their secondary Hollywood performances as long as they felt they were giving their own style praises to the Lord. Same thing as Cain and Able. God excepted Able but not Cain.
So now their unbelief of this will soon turn to belief...that justice comes around sooner or later.
I am so sad Alex for you or anyone that is triggered like this, but stay courageous and know one thing.... All the rest would not have happened if corruption and misgivings were not in that fold of every kind. So therefore your story is just one aspect of their corruption of many. Do not let this take you far from Jesus as all have trials,traumas, and traps of nets we all seem to fall in some much different and some worse. I am praying for your closure of the worst part. Don't worry now finish it in stride and look to true love and family in the future. It was an experience that will give you the best aid to others. I would hug you if I could but soon it will be behind and then let it be there or your belief in God will be in want as you must believe to bury it with Him as His Grace will help in all things. They could have handled it all differently to aid in your welfare but they chose this route themselves and that is no doubt the work of the devil on their behalf and their stupidity of ignoring. But will the church now take note??? their laxness in tolerating such actions and loyalties??? Remains to be seen! Take care Alex and hope you listen to your elders (smile) we all been there one way or the other lol.
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Post by: Daryl Fawcett on June 21, 2011, 07:54:20 AM
Interesting that you asked that as before reading this I has created a thread asking this over at Maritime.

Sooooo, is GC...anybody going to put out a statement that 3ABN is and "independent ministry"?  Because this could become a hot mess for GC real quick.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 21, 2011, 12:33:47 PM
Both newspapers that cover the West Frankfort are- The Daily American News and the Southern Illinoisan and KFVS12 news have picked up on the story and plan to run it in their news cycle in coming days.
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Post by: Adam on June 21, 2011, 03:45:20 PM
Plaintiff: Alex Walker 
Defendants: Three Angles Broadcasting Network and Tommy Shelton
 
Case Number: 1:2011cv04177
Filed: June 20, 2011
 
Court: Illinois Northern District Court
Office: Chicago         Office
County: Cook
jr,: Robert M. Dow
 
Nature of Suit: Torts - Injury - Other Personal Injury
Cause: 28:1331
Jurisdiction: Federal Question         
Jury Demanded By: Plaintiff         
 
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on June 22, 2011, 07:50:13 AM
Sources have told me there was huge media coverage for this event.
Hmmm, we must have very divergent sources...

LOL!!!!!!! Like you knew what was taking place in Illinois from Virginia???

Watch Alex here:
Here is a link to most of the press conference.  The audio is poor, but it gives an idea of how huge the media coverage was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQxjPHxQdFQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQxjPHxQdFQ)

What evidence is there available that TS was getting paid by 3ABN during the time he worked for the VA church in the nineties?  Was 3ABN really supporting a non-SDA pastor?
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Post by: Artiste on June 22, 2011, 11:37:37 AM
Very nice press conference.

Thanks for the youtube link.
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Post by: Bob Pickle on June 22, 2011, 12:28:39 PM
What evidence is there available that TS was getting paid by 3ABN during the time he worked for the VA church in the nineties?  Was 3ABN really supporting a non-SDA pastor?

An allegation we heard a long time ago, and referred to in our court filings, was that 3ABN sent Tommy $10,000 love gift(s) while he was in Virginia. But 3ABN refused to produce any document before 2001, which kept us from proving or disproving that allegation.

Besides pay, there is also a question of whether 3ABN provided an employee and/or equipment to Tommy to help him start a video ministry in VA.

Here's the press conference embedded here:

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Post by: Adam on June 22, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
Not only that but 3ABN donated one of their buses to the CCOG as well. Isnt that correct, Bob?
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Post by: DARVO on June 22, 2011, 01:55:48 PM
Let's hope it was donated!  Wasn't in VA long before it caught fire on the highway and had to be towed away.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 22, 2011, 02:35:33 PM
Didnt they use the bus for their In Jesus Name ministry?
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Post by: Artiste on June 22, 2011, 03:59:32 PM
Quote

Know of Additional Victims of Tommy Shelton, or of Any Helpful Information?

If you know of additional victims, or any information that you think might be helpful, you may pass it along to:

Herman, Mermelstein, and Horowtiz, P.A.
18205 Biscayne Blvd, Suite 2218
Miami, Florida 33160

(305) 931-2200 (phone)
(305) 931-0877 (fax)

www.hermanlaw.com


I copied this off the Save-3ABN website.
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Post by: princessdi on June 22, 2011, 04:00:06 PM
Wow. I forget how young these guys are.  I still see no statement from GC.
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Post by: Artiste on June 22, 2011, 04:04:18 PM
I think the GC would rather have good relationships with 3ABN since they believe they need something to counteract the SDA progressives.
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Post by: Snoopy on June 22, 2011, 04:08:14 PM
Didnt they use the bus for their In Jesus Name ministry?

Why do you keep posting this?

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Post by: Artiste on June 22, 2011, 05:03:25 PM
Both newspapers that cover the West Frankfort are- The Daily American News and the Southern Illinoisan and KFVS12 news have picked up on the story and plan to run it in their news cycle in coming days.

I've seen several new items online covering the story.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 22, 2011, 05:14:27 PM
Didnt they use the bus for their In Jesus Name ministry?

Why do you keep posting this?

Excuse me? That's the first time I posted this.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on June 22, 2011, 05:17:02 PM
Let's hope it was donated!  Wasn't in VA long before it caught fire on the highway and had to be towed away.
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First person to answer correctly wins* a 3ABN bus* and a lifetime supply* of fire extinguishers!*

Let the games begin... :thumbsup:
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Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Snoopy on June 22, 2011, 06:03:52 PM
Didnt they use the bus for their In Jesus Name ministry?

Why do you keep posting this?

Excuse me? That's the first time I posted this.

I am sorry Adam - I think it is me and a technology problem.  Your posts are not coming through right on my droid.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 22, 2011, 06:56:38 PM
its okay Snoopy have the same issue on my phone. LOL
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 22, 2011, 07:32:53 PM
Didnt they use the bus for their In Jesus Name ministry?

I don't know anything concrete about the bus, but I think I was told something like that, and that the bus wasn't in good shape.

I don't have any information to contradict what I have been told that the bus was not in good shape. That's not the same situation for the piano Tommy got from 3ABN.

According to my source, Danny claimed a piano sold cheap to a family member was a piece of junk that should have gone to the junkyard. The 1998 Form 990 indicates that 3ABN sold a piano that year to someone for $2000. My source thought Tommy must have gotten a really good deal. I highly doubt that anyone from Dunn Loring would say that that piano was a piece of junk, especially since Tommy gave such a lovely public concert on that piano, which concert was taped and distributed.

DARVO or JustWondering, would you care to comment? Was the piano a piece of junk or not? Would $2000 be a fair price or a cheap price for it? How did whatever replaced it at the church compare in quality and/or price?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: DARVO on June 22, 2011, 08:06:33 PM
I'm not a Board member; I don't have concrete info.  I also don't recall a time in the past 15 years any situations where the church accepted donations from 3ABN.  Sorry, can't help much with this one.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 22, 2011, 08:13:07 PM
Quote from: Bob Ellis, Daily American News
3ABN: Allegations are untrue (http://www.dailyamericannews.com/highlight/x898080688/3ABN-Allegations-are-untrue)

By Bob Ellis
Daily American News
Posted Jun 22, 2011 @ 07:30 PM

West Frankfort, Ill. — A local television and radio station, started from humble beginnings and grown into a worldwide ministry airing 24/7, has become involved in and is denying implications in a federal lawsuit. Three Angels Broadcasting Network, based in Thompsonville, has been named in claims of negligence in connection with allegations of sexual abuse of a child by the brother of the network’s founder. A network spokesman emphatically denied the accusations.

The network was named, along with Tommy Shelton, 65, in a federal lawsuit filed in Chicago Monday. Tommy Shelton is the brother of  Danny L. Shelton who, with his wife, Linda, founded the the ministry by building in a small field in Thompsonville more than twenty years ago.

The lawsuit was filed by Alex Walker, now 25, who claims he was sexually abused by Tommy Shelton while Shelton was a 3ABN employee in 2001. Walker’s lawyer claims that Shelton commuted to 3ABN from his home in Kentucky for the purpose of abusing Walker, thus making the civil lawsuit a federal case. In 2001, Walker said his brother got him a part-time job in the production department at 3ABN where Tommy Shelton worked and the abuse continued for a year.

The sexual abuse started in 1997, the lawsuit alleges, at a church in Virginia, where both Walker, then 11, and Tommy attended. Although Tommy Shelton later became pastor of that church, the lawsuit says that he continued his affiliation with 3ABN.

The lawsuit accuses Tommy Shelton of sexual assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress and travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct.

In a statement released to the Daily American by 3ABN, the network said the lawsuit first came to their attention in August of last year when Walker’s attorneys sent a letter claiming that Shelton had sexually abused Walker when he was a teenager.

It would be interesting to know just exactly which allegations the anonymous 3ABN spokesman denied.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 22, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
So, from the 3ABN network spokesman, we get "deny, deny, deny"...

Does anyone remember if the Roman Catholic church started out by denying allegations when their abuse complaints began?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 22, 2011, 09:02:52 PM
We may also note here that Bob Ellis is the former mayor of West Frankfort. He has also appeared on 3ABN at least twice. He is what some would consider a Shelton pal.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 22, 2011, 09:06:09 PM
We may also note here that Bob Ellis is the former mayor of West Frankfort. He has also appeared on 3ABN at least twice. He is what some would consider a Shelton pal.

Very interesting!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on June 23, 2011, 12:12:04 AM
We may also note here that Bob Ellis is the former mayor of West Frankfort. He has also appeared on 3ABN at least twice. He is what some would consider a Shelton pal.

I met Bob Ellis at a 3ABN Camp Meeting in 2003 when his book on 3ABN had just been published. He had earlier given me permission to use some of his material in an article I wrote about 3ABN. He signed the copy of his book which I got at that time.

As far as I recall Bob Ellis had travelled with the Sheltons to Europe.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: HaroldT on June 23, 2011, 06:13:26 AM
Quote from: Bob Pickle
According to my source, Danny claimed a piano sold cheap to a family member was a piece of junk that should have gone to the junkyard.
[/quote
That sale occured while we were building Danny's house. I was standing between Danny and Tommy when they both told me that Danny had sold Tommy the Young Chang piano. The one everyone saw on the set daily. Dan told me that Tommy gave him $3000 for it.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 23, 2011, 10:37:17 AM
We may also note here that Bob Ellis is the former mayor of West Frankfort. He has also appeared on 3ABN at least twice. He is what some would consider a Shelton pal.

More words suggesting problems than suggesting vindication, coming from a "pal."
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 23, 2011, 10:39:04 AM
Quote from: Bob Pickle
According to my source, Danny claimed a piano sold cheap to a family member was a piece of junk that should have gone to the junkyard.
That sale occured while we were building Danny's house. I was standing between Danny and Tommy when they both told me that Danny had sold Tommy the Young Chang piano. The one everyone saw on the set daily. Dan told me that Tommy gave him $3000 for it.

Interesting. So Danny tells you $3000, and 3ABN tells the IRS $2000. Who's telling the truth?

Where did the $1000 difference end up?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 23, 2011, 12:38:07 PM
A lengthier article has been posted at theSouthern.com by the Southern Illinoisian:

"Tommy Shelton accused of sex abuse" (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_fad6b9b2-9c84-11e0-84f7-001cc4c002e0.html)

If anyone gets a copy of 3ABN's statement, please send me a copy.

What do you think of some of the statements in this article? It sounds like 3ABN is uncomfortable admitting that Tommy had an important position at 3ABN, doesn't it?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 23, 2011, 02:14:32 PM
According to the complaint, Alex Walker, is demanding 5,000,000. Anyone know if I'm reading that correctly?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 23, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
Meet Alex Walker's local counsel: James Gay

http://www.jamesgaylaw.com/
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: vestedinterest on June 23, 2011, 02:58:50 PM
According to the complaint, Alex Walker, is demanding 5,000,000,000.  Anyone know if I'm reading that correctly?
Mmmm, $5 Billion seems a bit unlikely, Adam, but not sure where you read it to see if you are reading it correctly.  :dunno:
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 23, 2011, 03:04:28 PM
I appologize added to many 0's. Thanks for correcting me on that.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on June 23, 2011, 03:32:26 PM
Adam,
Please relate to Alex my heartfelt statement for him.
I am just recuperating and still on pain meds for exploratory surgery to undue cysts and infection for 2 years from bad dental work. Whole face is taking a beating right now but I was shocked when I opened up just now on a better day for me.

First of all the shock is that I have your twin for a grandson, handsome, wholesome, clean cut looking. He is just 15 though and is tops in all sports and looks about 18 in size and maturity.
 I saw you and my heart I do not know if angrier or outburst in tears. Alex, you are a beautiful person, and must by all means feel that all this will come to an end and you have everything going to lead the rest of your life to eternity. It has been a horrible trial and some even worse as some are murdered in body and spirit. You appear to stand and have courage and as bad as it seems now, this post has endured, justifications, cover ups, lies and horrible ness from all directions of disbelief from the denials of the  :horse"eating up all the hay" and where did all that hay go to --nowhere but to the ground and now they will suffer the consequences. They have been warned by few and felt all would be protected by their secondary Hollywood performances as long as they felt they were giving their own style praises to the Lord. Same thing as Cain and Able. God excepted Able but not Cain.
So now their unbelief of this will soon turn to belief...that justice comes around sooner or later.
I am so sad Alex for you or anyone that is triggered like this, but stay courageous and know one thing.... All the rest would not have happened if corruption and misgivings were not in that fold of every kind. So therefore your story is just one aspect of their corruption of many. Do not let this take you far from Jesus as all have trials,traumas, and traps of nets we all seem to fall in some much different and some worse. I am praying for your closure of the worst part. Don't worry now finish it in stride and look to true love and family in the future. It was an experience that will give you the best aid to others. I would hug you if I could but soon it will be behind and then let it be there or your belief in God will be in want as you must believe to bury it with Him as His Grace will help in all things. They could have handled it all differently to aid in your welfare but they chose this route themselves and that is no doubt the work of the devil on their behalf and their stupidity of ignoring. But will the church now take note??? their laxness in tolerating such actions and loyalties??? Remains to be seen! Take care Alex and hope you listen to your elders (smile) we all been there one way or the other lol.

Tinka:

Thank you for the kind words.  They are most appreciated.  May God continue to bless you. 

Alex L. Walker
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on June 23, 2011, 03:36:40 PM
Watch Alex here:


Just realized how much my "red" hair stood out.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 23, 2011, 07:27:06 PM
A lengthier article has been posted at theSouthern.com by the Southern Illinoisian:

"Tommy Shelton accused of sex abuse" (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_fad6b9b2-9c84-11e0-84f7-001cc4c002e0.html)

If anyone gets a copy of 3ABN's statement, please send me a copy.

What do you think of some of the statements in this article? It sounds like 3ABN is uncomfortable admitting that Tommy had an important position at 3ABN, doesn't it?

One thing the article says is: "While there is no formal affiliation, 3ABN supports the Seventh-day Adventist denomination."

What happened? Does this mean that 3ABN is no longer a member of ASI?

In order to become a member of ASI, you have to fill out an application and get recommendations from your pastor and elder, as I recall. That's kind of formal, isn't it? And ASI's headquarters are in the GC building. Yet the article indicates that 3ABN has no formal affiliation to the Adventist church. Are they no longer members of ASI, then?

According to Schedule O of 3ABN's 2009 Form 990 (http://www.save-3abn.com/media/3abn-form-990-2009-or.pdf), "All officer remuneration is set by action of the Board of Trustees and falls within the remuneration guidelines of the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventists."

So if 3ABN has severed all formal ties with the Adventist Church, it seems that that must have happened after 2009.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on June 23, 2011, 08:05:42 PM
A lengthier article has been posted at theSouthern.com by the Southern Illinoisian:

"Tommy Shelton accused of sex abuse" (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_fad6b9b2-9c84-11e0-84f7-001cc4c002e0.html)

If anyone gets a copy of 3ABN's statement, please send me a copy.

What do you think of some of the statements in this article? It sounds like 3ABN is uncomfortable admitting that Tommy had an important position at 3ABN, doesn't it?

One thing the article says is: "While there is no formal affiliation, 3ABN supports the Seventh-day Adventist denomination."

What happened? Does this mean that 3ABN is no longer a member of ASI?

No, it means absolutely nothing.  Your quoting the reporter as though 3ABN said this.    :o
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 23, 2011, 08:13:52 PM
A lengthier article has been posted at theSouthern.com by the Southern Illinoisian:

"Tommy Shelton accused of sex abuse" (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_fad6b9b2-9c84-11e0-84f7-001cc4c002e0.html)

If anyone gets a copy of 3ABN's statement, please send me a copy.

What do you think of some of the statements in this article? It sounds like 3ABN is uncomfortable admitting that Tommy had an important position at 3ABN, doesn't it?

One thing the article says is: "While there is no formal affiliation, 3ABN supports the Seventh-day Adventist denomination."

What happened? Does this mean that 3ABN is no longer a member of ASI?

No, it means absolutely nothing.  Your quoting the reporter as though 3ABN said this.    :o

Good point.

It's just that that statement is right in the middle of a string of paragraphs that are quotes or paraphrases of what 3ABN said. And it does sound similar to the false assertion made in the lawsuit 3ABN filed against us.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on June 23, 2011, 08:19:34 PM
A lengthier article has been posted at theSouthern.com by the Southern Illinoisian:

"Tommy Shelton accused of sex abuse" (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_fad6b9b2-9c84-11e0-84f7-001cc4c002e0.html)

If anyone gets a copy of 3ABN's statement, please send me a copy.

What do you think of some of the statements in this article? It sounds like 3ABN is uncomfortable admitting that Tommy had an important position at 3ABN, doesn't it?

One thing the article says is: "While there is no formal affiliation, 3ABN supports the Seventh-day Adventist denomination."

What happened? Does this mean that 3ABN is no longer a member of ASI?

No, it means absolutely nothing.  Your quoting the reporter as though 3ABN said this.    :o

Good point.

It's just that that statement is right in the middle of a string of paragraphs that are quotes or paraphrases of what 3ABN said. And it does sound similar to the false assertion made in the lawsuit 3ABN filed against us.
Actually, according to the CBS Chicago article, 3ABN is part of the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination.
Suit: TV Pastor Sexually Assaulted Boy A Decade Ago (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/22/suit-tv-pastor-sexually-assaulted-boy-over-a-decade-ago/)   ???
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on June 23, 2011, 08:26:32 PM
Just wait til Alex enters the "No spin Zone" with Bill O'Reilley off fox news!
Adam, any word on when this is going to happen?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 23, 2011, 10:22:36 PM
Just wait til Alex enters the "No spin Zone" with Bill O'Reilley off fox news!
Adam, any word on when this is going to happen?

I'm not sure.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 23, 2011, 10:28:08 PM
Quote

ADVENTIST NETWORK 3ABN AND FOUNDER'S BROTHER SUED IN CHILD-SEX CASE

POSTED BY
ChatyChaty.com
 
Founder of 3ABN, Danny Shelton [Photo]

An international Christian radio and television network based in West Frankfort in southern Illinois and the brother of the network's founder were named in a federal child-sex-abuse lawsuit filed in Chicago on Monday.

Three Angels Broadcasting Network, or 3ABN, and the Rev. Tommy Shelton, the brother of the network's founder Danny Shelton, were named in the complaint filed by plaintiff Alex Walker, of Mattoon.

Walker, now 25, alleges that Tommy Shelton sexually abused him when he worked as a production assistant at 3ABN in 2001. Walker's lawyer, Jeff Herman, of Miami, said Shelton commuted to 3ABN from his home in Kentucky for the purpose of abusing Walker, which Herman believes makes the civil suit a federal case.

The suit accuses 3ABN of negligence, claiming leaders were aware of the threat Shelton posed to children.

In statement released by 3ABN, the network said Shelton had no reason to come into contact with Walker, who was closely supervised by Walker's older brother.

"3ABN does not believe that the claims against it have any merit," the statement said. "We intend to vigorously defend the good name of our organization."

Walker said he originally met Shelton in 1997 during a two-month visit to Virginia, where Shelton served as a pastor. Shelton now faces criminal charges in Virginia's Fairfax County tied to Walker's and another man's abuse allegations.

According to the civil suit filed Monday, Shelton, a pastor ordained by the Church of God, was suspended by that denomination in 1985 apparently after sexual abuse allegations against him surfaced. He continued to work for Ezra Church of God until the early 1990s.

Shortly after leaving, he started working a variety of jobs for 3ABN, the suit says, eventually moving to Virginia.

After Walker's brother married Shelton's daughter, he said, he visited the couple and Shelton in Virginia in 1997. Walker said Shelton abused him on bike rides behind the church where he worked during a two-month time period.

In 2001, Walker said his brother got him a part-time job in the production department of 3ABN in West Frankfort, where Shelton then worked. The abuse continued for a year, according to the suit.

In 2008, Walker went to law enforcement in Virginia, where there is no statute of limitations on sexual abuse allegations. Herman said they would report the allegations in Illinois to federal authorities.

The 3ABN network is affiliated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. A Seventh-day Adventist group called Save-3ABN has created a website demanding transparency and accountability from the network. It has posted numerous letters and documents that indicate the network was aware of allegations against Shelton decades ago.

In response, the network has sued the group for defamation of character and trademark infringement.

"It's against our faith to lie," said Bob Pickle, one of the defendants in that lawsuit. "It's against our faith to molest children. The idea of no accountability has the potential for making my faith look bad."

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 23, 2011, 10:29:04 PM
A lengthier article has been posted at theSouthern.com by the Southern Illinoisian:

"Tommy Shelton accused of sex abuse" (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_fad6b9b2-9c84-11e0-84f7-001cc4c002e0.html)

If anyone gets a copy of 3ABN's statement, please send me a copy.

What do you think of some of the statements in this article? It sounds like 3ABN is uncomfortable admitting that Tommy had an important position at 3ABN, doesn't it?

One thing the article says is: "While there is no formal affiliation, 3ABN supports the Seventh-day Adventist denomination."

What happened? Does this mean that 3ABN is no longer a member of ASI?

No, it means absolutely nothing.  Your quoting the reporter as though 3ABN said this.    :o

Good point.

It's just that that statement is right in the middle of a string of paragraphs that are quotes or paraphrases of what 3ABN said. And it does sound similar to the false assertion made in the lawsuit 3ABN filed against us.
Actually, according to the CBS Chicago article, 3ABN is part of the Seventh-Day Adventist denomination.
Suit: TV Pastor Sexually Assaulted Boy A Decade Ago (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/06/22/suit-tv-pastor-sexually-assaulted-boy-over-a-decade-ago/)   ???

Wow, so this article states the amount the victim is wanting
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 23, 2011, 10:36:44 PM
Quote

ADVENTIST NETWORK 3ABN AND FOUNDER'S BROTHER SUED IN CHILD-SEX CASE

POSTED BY
ChatyChaty.com
 
Founder of 3ABN, Danny Shelton [Photo]

An international Christian radio and television network based in West Frankfort in southern Illinois and the brother of the network's founder were named in a federal child-sex-abuse lawsuit filed in Chicago on Monday.

Three Angels Broadcasting Network, or 3ABN, and the Rev. Tommy Shelton, the brother of the network's founder Danny Shelton, were named in the complaint filed by plaintiff Alex Walker, of Mattoon.

Walker, now 25, alleges that Tommy Shelton sexually abused him when he worked as a production assistant at 3ABN in 2001. Walker's lawyer, Jeff Herman, of Miami, said Shelton commuted to 3ABN from his home in Kentucky for the purpose of abusing Walker, which Herman believes makes the civil suit a federal case.

The suit accuses 3ABN of negligence, claiming leaders were aware of the threat Shelton posed to children.

In statement released by 3ABN, the network said Shelton had no reason to come into contact with Walker, who was closely supervised by Walker's older brother.

"3ABN does not believe that the claims against it have any merit," the statement said. "We intend to vigorously defend the good name of our organization."

Walker said he originally met Shelton in 1997 during a two-month visit to Virginia, where Shelton served as a pastor. Shelton now faces criminal charges in Virginia's Fairfax County tied to Walker's and another man's abuse allegations.

According to the civil suit filed Monday, Shelton, a pastor ordained by the Church of God, was suspended by that denomination in 1985 apparently after sexual abuse allegations against him surfaced. He continued to work for Ezra Church of God until the early 1990s.

Shortly after leaving, he started working a variety of jobs for 3ABN, the suit says, eventually moving to Virginia.

After Walker's brother married Shelton's daughter, he said, he visited the couple and Shelton in Virginia in 1997. Walker said Shelton abused him on bike rides behind the church where he worked during a two-month time period.

In 2001, Walker said his brother got him a part-time job in the production department of 3ABN in West Frankfort, where Shelton then worked. The abuse continued for a year, according to the suit.

In 2008, Walker went to law enforcement in Virginia, where there is no statute of limitations on sexual abuse allegations. Herman said they would report the allegations in Illinois to federal authorities.

The 3ABN network is affiliated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. A Seventh-day Adventist group called Save-3ABN has created a website demanding transparency and accountability from the network. It has posted numerous letters and documents that indicate the network was aware of allegations against Shelton decades ago.

In response, the network has sued the group for defamation of character and trademark infringement.

"It's against our faith to lie," said Bob Pickle, one of the defendants in that lawsuit. "It's against our faith to molest children. The idea of no accountability has the potential for making my faith look bad."


Nice Article! Wow! A mug-shot of Danny.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 23, 2011, 10:51:02 PM
Did anyone notice that Alex's attorney's mention they are going to file the sex abuse acts committed by Tommy to the Federal authorities?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 23, 2011, 11:00:10 PM
Did anyone notice that Alex's attorney's mention they are going to file the sex abuse acts committed by Tommy to the Federal authorities?

Yes, I noticed that.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 23, 2011, 11:03:29 PM
Did anyone notice that Alex's attorney's mention they are going to file the sex abuse acts committed by Tommy to the Federal authorities?

Yes, I noticed that.
That should be interesting.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 24, 2011, 04:22:25 AM
Nice Article! Wow! A mug-shot of Danny.  :ROFL:

I think that picture is the one that had Linda sitting on the couch below and to the side of Danny. It got cropped, I think, after the divorce.

The link to the ChatyChaty story, and to an apparent mirror, are:

 "Adventist network 3ABN and founder's brother sued in child-sex case" (http://chatychaty.com/index.php/en/latest-news/46-news/1671-3abn-and-founders-brother-sued-in-child-sex-case)

 "Adventist network 3ABN and founder's brother sued in child-sex case" (http://papalinux.info/index.php/en/latest-news/46-news/1671-3abn-and-founders-brother-sued-in-child-sex-case)
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 24, 2011, 04:29:04 AM
A lengthier article has been posted at theSouthern.com by the Southern Illinoisian:

"Tommy Shelton accused of sex abuse" (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_fad6b9b2-9c84-11e0-84f7-001cc4c002e0.html)

If anyone gets a copy of 3ABN's statement, please send me a copy.

What do you think of some of the statements in this article? It sounds like 3ABN is uncomfortable admitting that Tommy had an important position at 3ABN, doesn't it?

There are two editions of the above article, the difference being the headline. The first headline, apparently, was "Lawsuit codefendant 3ABN says claims not merited" (http://thesouthern.com/news/local/article_bbf2668c-9c6c-11e0-affd-001cc4c03286.html).
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: GRAT on June 24, 2011, 07:57:13 AM
Something I noticed in the articles, one says that Alex was supervised by his brother the few weeks he worked in the production department and another says the abuse continued for a year according to the lawsuit.  Just wondering which was correct.  I am in no way trying to say it makes a bit of difference how long Alex worked there.  Just one inappropriate touch from TS was one too many!!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: vestedinterest on June 24, 2011, 09:26:27 AM
I think it has been noted before (ergo, not an original thought) but it would seem that either Brad KNEW his father-in-law had pedophilic tendencies and therefore watched his brother 24/7 both in VA and in ILL, never letting him out of his sight OR he had no reason whatsoever to suspect or anticipate such a horrific thing, and would therefore feel comfortable leaving his brother in his father-in-law's company - "You two go on to the mall!  Alex and I will hit the bike trail and we'll all meet back for dinner" would not raise suspicion normally.
Simply put:
1)BRAD KNEW about TS or
2)BRAD did not stay with his brother 24/7 because there was no probable cause.

I would imagine there are those in VA and in Illinois that would possibly recall seeing Alex without Brad during one of those time periods.  Just sayin'....
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on June 24, 2011, 09:37:38 AM
Something I noticed in the articles, one says that Alex was supervised by his brother the few weeks he worked in the production department and another says the abuse continued for a year according to the lawsuit.  Just wondering which was correct.  I am in no way trying to say it makes a bit of difference how long Alex worked there.  Just one inappropriate touch from TS was one too many!!

I was there a lot longer than a "few weeks".  That will be easily proven.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: GRAT on June 24, 2011, 10:01:29 AM
Something I noticed in the articles, one says that Alex was supervised by his brother the few weeks he worked in the production department and another says the abuse continued for a year according to the lawsuit.  Just wondering which was correct.  I am in no way trying to say it makes a bit of difference how long Alex worked there.  Just one inappropriate touch from TS was one too many!!

I was there a lot longer than a "few weeks".  That will be easily proven.

Thank you Alex, that is what I thought as the "few weeks" seemed to come from a statement from 3ABM.  Keep up your courage and remember that there are a lot of people praying for you. 
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 24, 2011, 10:19:59 AM
Simply put:
1)BRAD KNEW about TS or
2)BRAD did not stay with his brother 24/7 because there was no probable cause.

If Brad was involved in anyway after it came out that Tommy had, according to sources, molested his own adopted son, then it would be pretty hard to say that Brad didn't know.

Even if Brad wasn't involved in confronting Tommy, it seems like a stretch for him to be completely clueless about his wife's brother's situation, especially if Brad spent any time at all growing up around the Ezra Church of God.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on June 24, 2011, 10:38:50 AM
Simply put:
1)BRAD KNEW about TS or
2)BRAD did not stay with his brother 24/7 because there was no probable cause.

If Brad was involved in anyway after it came out that Tommy had, according to sources, molested his own adopted son, then it would be pretty hard to say that Brad didn't know.

Even if Brad wasn't involved in confronting Tommy, it seems like a stretch for him to be completely clueless about his wife's brother's situation, especially if Brad spent any time at all growing up around the Ezra Church of God.

Why would Brad after Tommy's arrest...Tell me on the phone- He has NEVER nor would he EVER leave his son alone with Tommy? Why would Brad... Apologize to me for what Tommy did to me if he didn't believe he did it? Those are some questions that Brad is going to have to answer in court!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on June 24, 2011, 10:45:05 AM
I hope not Artiste.  The allowed a child molestor to work there, twice..........without supervison...apparently. The only thing their affiliation might promote at this point is a possible inclusion in a law suit.....deep pockets.  Whatever perceived threat they see from progressives is no where near the danger they are in supporting an organization who is presently effectively supporting an accused pedophile to the point where they have now opened up themselves and the SDA church name they carry to a lawsuit.  I jes sayin'........  :dunno:



I think the GC would rather have good relationships with 3ABN since they believe they need something to counteract the SDA progressives.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on June 24, 2011, 01:11:02 PM
:-/
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on June 24, 2011, 01:18:44 PM
Something I noticed in the articles, one says that Alex was supervised by his brother the few weeks he worked in the production department and another says the abuse continued for a year according to the lawsuit.  Just wondering which was correct.  I am in no way trying to say it makes a bit of difference how long Alex worked there.  Just one inappropriate touch from TS was one too many!!

I was there a lot longer than a "few weeks".  That will be easily proven.

Thank you Alex, that is what I thought as the "few weeks" seemed to come from a statement from 3ABM.  Keep up your courage and remember that there are a lot of people praying for you. 

GRAT:

Thank you. May God Bless.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 28, 2011, 07:24:34 PM
Yesterday one of Alex's attorneys, Jessica Arbour, moved the court to appear pro hac vice. That motion was granted today.

Also today, another of Alex's attorneys, Adam Horowitz, moved the court to appear pro hac vice.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on June 28, 2011, 08:12:56 PM
Yesterday one of Alex's attorneys, Jessica Arbour, moved the court to appear pro hac vice. That motion was granted today.

Also today, another of Alex's attorneys, Adam Horowitz, moved the court to appear pro hac vice.
Objection! Use of non-English terms.   :dunno:  Is this a good thing? :help:
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on June 28, 2011, 11:36:26 PM
Bob, would you like to speak to us in our own language?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 28, 2011, 11:53:10 PM
Bob do you have a link for this?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Murcielago on June 29, 2011, 12:26:50 AM
A motion to appear Pro Hac Vice is simply a motion by an attorney to practice on a specific case in a jurisdiction in which (s)he is not licensed by the local bar to practice.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 29, 2011, 01:17:28 PM
Bob do you have a link for this?

Not at present. At some point I will.

Maybe Cindy will post all the court filings?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: childoftheking on June 29, 2011, 01:45:21 PM
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/illinois/ilndce/1:2011cv04177/256932/
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 29, 2011, 03:18:37 PM
Meet Adam Horowitz:

Adam Horowitz is recognized among his peers as an aggressive  advocate for survivors of sexual abuse.

In 2009, he was named South Florida’s Most Effective Lawyer in the category of personal injury by the Daily Business Review for his groundbreaking work in the area of sexual abuse litigation.  Adam prevailed in a federal court trial on behalf of a young Native American woman who was raped by a U.S. Army recruiter.  In that case, Elk v. United States, 87 Fed. Cl. 70 (2009),  Adam established a new precedent for Native Americans by using the “Bad Man Clause” of the Fort Laramie Treaty of 1868 to recover pain and suffering damages for the first time in the Treaty’s 150 year existence.

Adam has made countless television appearances and has been quoted extensively on the subject of sexual abuse and exploitation in various media outlets, including the New York Times, Washington Post, Denver Post, Miami Herald, Orlando Sentinel, Palm Beach Post, Jacksonville Times-Union, Pueblo Chieftain, and San Antonio Express-News. 

Adam is admitted to the Florida Bar (2000); U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida (2001); U.S. District Court, Middle District of Florida (2001); U.S. Court of Appeals, Eleventh Circuit (2004); U.S. Tax Court (2005); U.S. Court of Federal Claims (2006); U.S. District Court, District of Colorado (2009); U.S. Court of Appeals, Federal Circuit (2009).  He has been admitted pro hac vice in many states, including Colorado, New York, North Carolina, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, and Washington D.C.

Adam received his Juris Doctorate with honors from the University of Miami School of Law in 2000.  During law school, Adam was the articles editor of the University of Miami Law Review and served on the Moot Court Board.  Adam received his Bachelor of Arts with honors from the University of Miami in 1996.  He is a native of Long Beach, New York.

Prior to joining Herman, Mermelstein & Horowitz, P.A., Adam was a partner at Gilbride, Heller & Brown, P.A. in Miami.

Publications:

“Nelson v. McClatchy Newspapers: What Happens When Freedom of the Press Collides with Free Speech?” 54 University of Miami Law Review 359 (2000).

“The Constitutionality of the Children’s Internet Protection Act,” 13 St. Thomas University Law Review 425 (2000).

Reported Cases:

Malicki v. Doe, 814 So.2d 347 (Fla. 2002); Jarzynka v. St. Thomas University, 310 F.Supp.2d 1256 (S.D.Fla. 2004); Cherry v. Catholic Charities, 815 So.2d 1282 (Fla. 3d DCA 2004); Jarzynka v. St. Thomas University, 323 F.Supp.2d 660 (W.D.Pa. 2004); Lloredo v. RadioShack Corp., 2005 WL 1156030 (S.D.Fla. May 12, 2005); Nielsen v. Archdiocese of Denver, 413 F.Supp.2d 1181 (D.Col. 2006); Elk v. United States, 70 Fed. Cl. 405 (2006); Doe v. Karl G. Faerber, 446 F.Supp.2d 1311 (M.D.Fla. 2006); Doe v. Florida Int’l University Bd. of Trustees, 464 F.Supp.2d 1259 (S.D.Fla. 2006); Doe v. Kolko, 242 F.R.D. 193 (E.D.N.Y. 2006); Kopalchik v. Diocese of Richmond, 645 S.E.2d 439 (Va. 2007); Succar Succar v. Safra Nat’l Bank of New York, 237 Fed.Appx. 526 (11th Cir. 2007); Joseph v. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, 2008 WL 282163 (D.S.D. 2008); Elk v. United States, 87 Fed. Cl. 70 (2009).
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 29, 2011, 03:19:30 PM
Meet Jessica Arbour:


essica Arbour joined the firm as an Associate Attorney in 2009, bringing with her a wealth of knowledge and experience gained from working as a paralegal on more than 1000 clergy sexual abuse cases nationwide.

She has extensive experience in sexual abuse cases involving the worldwide Roman Catholic Church hierarchy.  By way of example, Jessica has an intimate working knowledge of the following Catholic institutions:

Archdiocese of Chicago
Archdiocese of Denver
Archdiocese of Miami
Archdiocese of Portland in Oregon
Archdiocese of San Francisco
Archdiocese of St. Louis
Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis
Diocese of Brooklyn
Diocese of Charleston
Diocese of Cleveland
Diocese of Davenport
Diocese of Fresno
Diocese of Manchester
Diocese of New Ulm
Diocese of Oakland
Diocese of Rockford
Diocese of Sacramento
Diocese of Santa Rosa
Diocese of Springfield
Diocese of St. Cloud
Diocese of Winona
Augustinian Order
Jesuit Order
Christian Brothers Order
Franciscan Sisters
Dominican Sisters
Salesian Brothers
Benedictine Brothers

Jessica has been featured in international media for her work, including CNN, CNN International, Fox News, Mega TV, and news agencies in Mexico, Italy, Costa Rica, and Australia. 

In 2011, Jessica was nominated for the ABA Young Lawyers Division’s Child Advocacy Award for her dedication to the protection of children.

Jessica received her Juris Doctorate from DePaul University College of Law in Chicago, Illinois, in 2009.  She also completed a summer program at Sorbonne Faculty of Law in Paris, France.  Jessica received her undergraduate degree in Political Science from the University of St. Thomas in St. Paul, Minnesota, in 2000.  She also received a Paralegal Certificate from the Minnesota Paralegal Institute in 2002, graduating with a perfect 4.0 GPA.   

Jessica is admitted to the Florida Bar and the U.S. District Court, Southern District of Florida.  She has been admitted pro hac vice in several states, including Colorado, New Hampshire, and Texas.

She is a member of the American Bar Association (ABA), Phi Alpha Delta, a legal fraternity, and Omicron Delta Kappa, a leadership honor society.  She has also achieved the Degree of Special Distinction in the National Forensics League, a speech and debate honor society.  As a college senior, Jessica received the Heart of St. Thomas Community Award for her dedication to the student body of the University of St. Thomas. 

Jessica has been committed to volunteer service since her childhood.  She currently serves on the Board of Directors of Reach Out Community Center in Chicago, Illinois, and has participated in building projects with Habitat for Humanity and Ronald McDonald House. 

Publications:
Balancing Justice’s Other Scales, Minnesota Trial Lawyer Magazine, Spring 2006.

Sins of the Father: Why the Time is Right to Prosecute Pope Benedict XVI for Crimes Against Humanity (originally a law school thesis, now a working draft to be submitted for publication)
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Adam on June 29, 2011, 03:24:51 PM
Bob do you have a link for this?

Not at present. At some point I will.

Maybe Cindy will post all the court filings?

Well your no help, Bob! Lol.  And wonder why Cindy is failing on her obligations? She wasted no time to post PACER documents on your case. Yet, she has not filed ONE I mean ONE regarding this one.  Wonder what's up?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 30, 2011, 05:01:23 AM
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/illinois/ilndce/1:2011cv04177/256932/

Three Angles?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: childoftheking on June 30, 2011, 05:55:24 AM
Does that need to be changed to the correct spelling to be legal?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: GRAT on June 30, 2011, 08:03:45 AM
Now that is funny.  They seem to have way more than three angles!   :ROFL: 
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: childoftheking on June 30, 2011, 08:51:48 AM
Actually when 3ABN first started out they did spell it three angles for awhile. Then there was a new corporation and they spelled it right. The lawyers might have come accross the information for the old corporation. But in dealing with legal matters  you have to make sure all you ri's are dotted and your t's crossed.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on June 30, 2011, 09:10:20 AM
Actually when 3ABN first started out they did spell it three angles for awhile. Then there was a new corporation and they spelled it right. The lawyers might have come accross the information for the old corporation. But in dealing with legal matters  you have to make sure all you ri's are dotted and your t's crossed.
Yes, it is extremely important to dot all of your ri's.   ;D  Did I say that?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: childoftheking on June 30, 2011, 09:13:25 AM
LOL typo!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on June 30, 2011, 10:04:03 AM
Actually when 3ABN first started out they did spell it three angles for awhile. Then there was a new corporation and they spelled it right. The lawyers might have come accross the information for the old corporation. But in dealing with legal matters  you have to make sure all you ri's are dotted and your t's crossed.

I didn't notice a misspelling in the case itself.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on June 30, 2011, 10:05:02 AM
Yesterday one of Alex's attorneys, Jessica Arbour, moved the court to appear pro hac vice. That motion was granted today.

Also today, another of Alex's attorneys, Adam Horowitz, moved the court to appear pro hac vice.
Objection! Use of non-English terms.   :dunno:  Is this a good thing? :help:
A motion to appear Pro Hac Vice is simply a motion by an attorney to practice on a specific case in a jurisdiction in which (s)he is not licensed by the local bar to practice.
Thanks!  Latin is not one of my strongest languages.

Now that is funny.  They seem to have way more than three angles!   :ROFL:

180 degree angle = an about face

45 degree angle = cutting corners

Right angle = 90 degrees; opposite of wrong

270 degrees = a wrong angle?

360 degrees = a complete turn around

Acute angle = 1)less than a right angle and more than zero, 2)Having a rapid onset and a short, severe course

Obtuse angle = 1) somewhere between a right angle and cutting corners, 2) lacking in insight or discernment; "too obtuse to grasp the implications of his behavior", 3) Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.

Reflex angle = 1) somewhere between an about face and a complete turn around, 2) An action that is performed without conscious thought

Others??  Ok, I spent way too much time on this response.   :)
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: GRAT on July 01, 2011, 08:17:19 AM

180 degree angle = an about face

45 degree angle = cutting corners

Right angle = 90 degrees; opposite of wrong

270 degrees = a wrong angle?

360 degrees = a complete turn around

Acute angle = 1)less than a right angle and more than zero, 2)Having a rapid onset and a short, severe course

Obtuse angle = 1) somewhere between a right angle and cutting corners, 2) lacking in insight or discernment; "too obtuse to grasp the implications of his behavior", 3) Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.

Reflex angle = 1) somewhere between an about face and a complete turn around, 2) An action that is performed without conscious thought

Others??  Ok, I spent way too much time on this response.   :)
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Good ones!  :ROFL:  :thumbsup: 
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 01, 2011, 03:49:23 PM
Bob do you have a link for this?

The public court documents in Alex's case are posted at 3ABNvJoy.com (http://www.3ABNvJoy.com/).

Funny thing is that I have never heard of anyone getting a cease and desist letter over the use of the letters "3-A-B-N" in that domain name. Not a single cease and desist letter.

But the Danny clones still maintain that 3ABN accomplished all it wanted to accomplish when it bought two domain names from Gailon's bankruptcy estate, despite 16 other functioning Save 3ABN sites, and despite 3ABNvJoy.com.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: childoftheking on July 01, 2011, 05:33:50 PM
The first document refers twice to Tommy Smith. I think they meant to say Tommy Shelton.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: childoftheking on July 01, 2011, 06:28:47 PM
When dealing with people who have no scruples one must take care to be scrupulous.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: youngwarrior on July 02, 2011, 03:53:50 PM
Perhaps I can weigh in on this topic for a bit.  I worked for 3ABN as in engineer in 1989 and the first half of 1990 for a total time of a year and six months.  Alex - I am sorry for what happened to you and have no problem believing you.  Tommy's adopted son was a friend of mine along with Duane Clem, another of Tommy's victims.  At the time I wondered why Duane disliked Tommy.  Now I know.  I also know quite a bit about other things that were and have been going on at 3ABN.  Since leaving the ministry I have tried to stay in touch with what is happening there.  Personally I hope the board, many of the members whom I know, will come to their senses and clean house.  If they don't God will have to.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 03, 2011, 08:04:19 AM
Perhaps I can weigh in on this topic for a bit.  I worked for 3ABN as in engineer in 1989 and the first half of 1990 for a total time of a year and six months.  Alex - I am sorry for what happened to you and have no problem believing you.  Tommy's adopted son was a friend of mine along with Duane Clem, another of Tommy's victims.  At the time I wondered why Duane disliked Tommy.  Now I know.  I also know quite a bit about other things that were and have been going on at 3ABN.  Since leaving the ministry I have tried to stay in touch with what is happening there.  Personally I hope the board, many of the members whom I know, will come to their senses and clean house.  If they don't God will have to.

Keith, how did you find out about Tommy's adopted son being a victim?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: JustWondering on July 03, 2011, 07:15:01 PM
Keith, how did you find out about Tommy's adopted son being a victim?
This comment brings up a pet peeve of mine.  What is the point of including "adopted" when referring to a child when there is no reason to do so?  Have you been in a conversation when talking about a child and someone says, "did you know he is adopted?"  or "she's adopted."

I am asking this as a general question/comment and not just referring to Bob's comment above.  Many times adopted children live their entire lives trying to fit into a family and struggle with feelings that they are second class family members. 

I do not mean to imply that adoption is a negative thing.  I admire a family that adopts a child and believe adoption is a wonderful thing.  Once a child is adopted, they are part of the family, period.  And praise God that we who are Christ followers have been adopted as children of God.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 03, 2011, 08:05:13 PM
Good point.

I was just using the same wording that youngwarrior used. He avoided using the real name, and I followed suit.
Title: "Adopted" son
Post by: vestedinterest on July 03, 2011, 08:12:44 PM
Good Points, J.W. I have thought at times during the course of all this, that perhaps a point was made about RS being "adopted" so as to somehow make the point that although TS is a pedophile, and most certainly inappropriate even with young men who have reached the age of majority, he is, in fact, not to be confused with someone who is incestuous.  However, i don't see the distinction, because in time spent with the family it certainly was never mentioned that the son was adopted - it was known by many, but never seemed to be a topic that merited discussion until it came out that TS had molested him.  Then he seemed to become "the adopted son". But I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on July 04, 2011, 12:57:02 AM
Well I was also adopted and never was reffered as that until I filed this law suit. Now my family waste no time making that point clear. Also Keith thanks for your support and kind words.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gregory on July 04, 2011, 02:47:55 AM
If I understood correctly, a previous comment seemed to me to suggest that an action that was incest if it involved a biological relataive would not be incest if it involved an adopted relative.

I cannot speak to the statute of the either the State of IL or of Virginia, but the law everywhere as I understand it would make the above false.  IOW if it is incest with a biological relative, it would be incest with an adopted relative.  And if it was not incest with a biological relative, it woudl nto be incest with an adopted relative.

NOTE: My comment is general in nature and not to be applied specificlly as I do not have specific personal knowledge.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: vestedinterest on July 04, 2011, 11:19:11 AM
Gregory - I wasn't speaking at all to the legality of such a stance, nor the morality - it would be the same either way, no doubt... I just sensed maybe a distinction was being made from a "damage control" standpoint, as if to say,"well, Rick isn't actually his son..." since I had not heard RS referred to as the "adopted son" before all this came to light.

Alex - Yes, the same seems applicable in your case... I have also seen situations where "THE ADOPTED CHILD" suddenly was cast as an outsider in situations involving inheritance, or when that child became involved with the law or had psychological issues - there are those who would want to make sure everyone knows they are not blood relatives.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Murcielago on July 04, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
It is very possible that the fact he is adopted is a significant factor. The dynamics here are far from simple.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: youngwarrior on July 04, 2011, 02:29:33 PM
Perhaps I can weigh in on this topic for a bit.  I worked for 3ABN as in engineer in 1989 and the first half of 1990 for a total time of a year and six months.  Alex - I am sorry for what happened to you and have no problem believing you.  Tommy's adopted son was a friend of mine along with Duane Clem, another of Tommy's victims.  At the time I wondered why Duane disliked Tommy.  Now I know.  I also know quite a bit about other things that were and have been going on at 3ABN.  Since leaving the ministry I have tried to stay in touch with what is happening there.  Personally I hope the board, many of the members whom I know, will come to their senses and clean house.  If they don't God will have to.

Keith, how did you find out about Tommy's adopted son being a victim?

From several sources on the internet.  At the time I knew RS I had no idea what TS was doing.  As for my use of the term "adopted" I did so because that was the way he was referred to in the articles I read.  At the time I worked with him at 3ABN I knew he was adopted.  It made no difference to me and as far as I know it made no difference to any of the Sheltons I knew.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Murcielago on July 04, 2011, 03:17:14 PM
Actually it did make a difference to a number of the family. It is not an insignificant factor.

Perhaps I can weigh in on this topic for a bit.  I worked for 3ABN as in engineer in 1989 and the first half of 1990 for a total time of a year and six months.  Alex - I am sorry for what happened to you and have no problem believing you.  Tommy's adopted son was a friend of mine along with Duane Clem, another of Tommy's victims.  At the time I wondered why Duane disliked Tommy.  Now I know.  I also know quite a bit about other things that were and have been going on at 3ABN.  Since leaving the ministry I have tried to stay in touch with what is happening there.  Personally I hope the board, many of the members whom I know, will come to their senses and clean house.  If they don't God will have to.

Keith, how did you find out about Tommy's adopted son being a victim?

From several sources on the internet.  At the time I knew RS I had no idea what TS was doing.  As for my use of the term "adopted" I did so because that was the way he was referred to in the articles I read.  At the time I worked with him at 3ABN I knew he was adopted.  It made no difference to me and as far as I know it made no difference to any of the Sheltons I knew.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gregory on July 04, 2011, 04:51:21 PM
O.K.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: vestedinterest on July 04, 2011, 08:01:10 PM
It is very possible that the fact he is adopted is a significant factor.

Except that I have never heard even the faintest rumbling of Tommy's son pursuing any sort of litigation against his dad, have you?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Murcielago on July 04, 2011, 09:20:21 PM
What it may factor into may not be litigation. Litigation may be just one in a series of unpleasant events. This is not at all simple, it is far more complex than any one person or action.

It is very possible that the fact he is adopted is a significant factor.

Except that I have never heard even the faintest rumbling of Tommy's son pursuing any sort of litigation against his dad, have you?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 09, 2011, 08:14:14 PM
I am waiting to get a letter that was written by the son...great addition to my collection of documents and NO IT IS NOT CONFIDENTIAL!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

What it may factor into may not be litigation. Litigation may be just one in a series of unpleasant events. This is not at all simple, it is far more complex than any one person or action.

It is very possible that the fact he is adopted is a significant factor.

Except that I have never heard even the faintest rumbling of Tommy's son pursuing any sort of litigation against his dad, have you?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on July 09, 2011, 09:01:16 PM
I am waiting to get a letter that was written by the son

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter


Will you be posting it here?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 11, 2011, 03:01:40 PM
It would have to be carefully edited as it is best described as "unfit for public consumption"!!! I was hoping it would come into the public record at the trial in Virginia, but that now seems unlikely.

Gailon Arthur Joy

I am waiting to get a letter that was written by the son

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter


Will you be posting it here?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 15, 2011, 06:42:43 PM
Nothing new has been posted in the case since June 29.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Daryl Fawcett on July 20, 2011, 06:09:29 PM
Going about the same speed as the lawsuit was against you and GAJ.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 20, 2011, 08:39:04 PM
If they accepted service, I think they have 60 days to answer the complaint. If not, I think they have 20 days after being served. So things can take awhile.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 22, 2011, 04:58:30 PM
Nothing new has been posted in the case since June 29.

Same.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 29, 2011, 09:29:54 PM
If they were timely served, they would have filed answers by now...unless they had filed a motion to dismiss. Sometime Plaintiff will allow additional time to answer or file a Motion to Dismiss. In the subject case, given the time gaps I must suspect they are operating on stipulated expetentions while they negotiate a settlement of all claims.

In our case we had the ex parte motion to impound and had to answer at the same time. I would not do a Motion to Dismiss as Judge Saylor had been a reporter in his pre-law life and I feared a pre-disposition to be a bit dispositive. It was just TOO MUCH FUN to be dispositive in the first 30 to 60 days. And Bob would not have had the opportunity to acheive his fasinating legal career!!! And as you can see, when it was dismissed, BY THE PLAINTIFF, we took serious exception!!!

And the training school continues as Bob prepares an appeal to the Supreme Court of the United States!!!

So, let the negotiations continue and be assured these guys WILL PAY to get rid of this one...the project to "counteract the counterfeit" is looking a bit counterfeit these days!!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gregory on July 30, 2011, 03:26:09 AM
So, Bob is planning an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.  O.K.

Unfortunately, Bob will not be able to put on his resume that he argued this case before the Supreme Court as that Court does not allow pro se people to argue cases before it.

If the Supreme Court accepts this case, they will appoint an attorney, who is accredited to argue cases before that Court, to argue the case on Bob's behalf.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 30, 2011, 10:42:16 AM
And the point is???

May I point out Certiorari will be the very first hurdle...oral argument on the inter-district issues will have been clearly established or moot.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: vestedinterest on July 30, 2011, 10:58:29 AM


May I point out Certiorari will be the very first hurdle
Not to mention the fact that there may be a writ from the higher court ordering the lower court to send up records for review!! :ROFL:
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 30, 2011, 08:53:15 PM
So, Bob is planning an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.  O.K.

Unfortunately, Bob will not be able to put on his resume that he argued this case before the Supreme Court as that Court does not allow pro se people to argue cases before it.

If the Supreme Court accepts this case, they will appoint an attorney, who is accredited to argue cases before that Court, to argue the case on Bob's behalf.

"See, e.g., SEC v. Sloan, 436 U. S. 103 (1978) (pro se respondent argued, briefed, and prevailed in the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit and this Court)." (http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/US/528/528.US.152.98-7809.html#fn5)

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on July 30, 2011, 09:49:57 PM
Does that mean you can argue a case before the Supreme Court?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gregory on July 31, 2011, 03:56:02 AM
The following is part of one of the citations that Bob provided:
Quote
Held: Neither Faretta 's holding nor its reasoning requires a State to recognize a constitutional right to self-representation on direct appeal from a criminal conviction. Although some of Faretta 's reasoning is applicable to appellate proceedings as well as to trials, there are significant distinctions. First, the historical evidence Faretta relied on as identifying a right of self-representation, 422 U. S., at 812 -817, is not useful here because it pertained to times when lawyers were scarce, often mistrusted, and not readily available to the average person accused of crime, whereas it has since been recognized that every indigent defendant in a criminal trial has a constitutional right to the assistance of appointed counsel, see Gideon v. Wainwright, 372 U. S. 335 . Moreover, unlike the right recognized in Faretta, the historical evidence does not provide any support for an affirmative constitutional right to appellate self-representation. Second, Faretta 's reliance on the Sixth Amendment's structure interpreted in light of its English and colonial background, 422 U. S., at 818-832, is not relevant here. Because the Amendment deals strictly with trial rights and does not include any right to appeal, see Abney v. United States, 431 U. S. 651, 656 , it necessarily follows that the Amendment itself does not provide any basis for finding a right to appellate self-representation. Faretta' s inquiries into historical English practices, 422 U. S., at 821 -824, do not provide a basis for extending that case to the appellate process because there was no appeal from a criminal conviction in England until 1907. Third, although Faretta 's conclusion that a knowing and intelligent waiver of the right to trial counsel must be honored out of respect for individual autonomy, id., at 834, is also applicable in the appellate context, this Court has recognized that the right is not absolute, see id., at 835. Given the Court's conclusion that the Sixth Amendment does not apply to appellate proceedings, any individual right to self-representation on appeal based on autonomy principles must be grounded in the Due Process Clause. Under the practices prevailing in the Nation today, the Court is entirely unpersuaded that the risk of disloyalty by a court-appointed attorney, or the suspicion of such disloyalty, that underlies the constitutional right of self-representation at trial, see id., at 834, is a sufficient concern to conclude that such a right is a necessary component of a fair appellate proceeding. The States are clearly within their discretion to conclude that the government's interests in ensuring the integrity and efficiency of the appellate process outweigh an invasion of the appellant's interest in self-representation, although the Court's narrow holding does not preclude the States from recognizing a constitutional right to appellate self-representation under their own constitutions. Pp. 3-12. Affirmed.

As a sum total, the other citations (not just the one cited) establish:
1) The right of self-representaion is not absolute.
2) A right of self-representaion on the trial level does NOT establish such on the higher levels.
3) Criminal trials may have limited rights of self-representaion where such is allowed in other trials.
4) Courts on all levels may establish rules for self-representaion that limit or prohibit such.
5) Courts on all levels may require pro se persons to have co-counsel who are accredited lawyers.

Under the rules of the U. S. Supreme Court, it never allows a person who is not accredited to practice before it, to argue a case before it.  This means that attornies who have not been admitted to practice before it cannot argure a case before it.  It should be noted that the U.S. Supreme Court is the final decision maker (Subject to the laws of Congress.) of its decisions.  So, any appeal of a decision not to allow someone to argue a case before it must be made to the Court itself.

Yes, pro se person may apply to the U.S. Supreme Court for a Writ of Certiorari. However, when the Court grants such a Writ, it always requests an attorney to argue the case pro bono.  The request of the Court is considered such a honor that law firms are glad to accept and that attorney is appointed.

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on July 31, 2011, 05:38:31 AM
Under the rules of the U. S. Supreme Court, it never allows a person who is not accredited to practice before it, to argue a case before it.

Which rule bars a pro se litigant from arguing?

"Sloan had no formal legal training but orally argued a case in front of the Supreme Court of the United States ...." "After years of litigation, Sloan in 1978 prevailed in the U.S. Supreme Court. Sloan argued the case pro se even though he was not an attorney. ... Sloan won before the U.S. Supreme Court 9-0." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Sloan_(chess_player))

In 2002: "Lorson says that there is still no rule that bars a nonlawyer from arguing before the Court, but that possibility seems ever more remote in the era of Supreme Court specialization." (http://www.anusha.com/amlawyer.htm)

Perhaps the court rarely permits it even though there is no rule barring it.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 03, 2011, 01:52:19 PM
If they were timely served, they would have filed answers by now...unless they had filed a motion to dismiss.

From http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule4.htm (http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule4.htm):

Quote from: F.R.C.P. 4
Rule 4. Summons

...

(d) Waiving Service.

...

(3) Time to Answer After a Waiver.

A defendant who, before being served with process, timely returns a waiver need not serve an answer to the complaint until 60 days after the request was sent — or until 90 days after it was sent to the defendant outside any judicial district of the United States.

So if 3ABN and Tommy accept service, an answer would be required no sooner than 60 days after the request for waiver was sent. If that request was sent on June 20, that would make the deadline August 19.

But I have no idea what is going on, except that nothing new has been added to the docket.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on August 03, 2011, 04:46:41 PM
Well, I'm glad to see your legal career progressing, Bob.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on August 06, 2011, 02:59:50 PM
Well, I'm glad to see your legal career progressing, Bob.

You might want to get off those kneepads...

TS responded to Alex Walker right before Pickle posted, and it was filed the next day. That waiver acknowledging and basically saying I read your complaint, and no you don't have to go to the bother or expense of a summons. says:" I understand a judgement may be entered against me if an answer or motion under rule 12 is not served upon you within 60 days..."

These games  are tiresome... It's kinda like when Alex testified last year that he had never spoken to anyone or talked about being molested before while in court -- as he claimed he wasn't able to. --OR-- as he now claims in his new complaint and lawsuit that he never knew he was a hurting unit before then, ( thus the statute of limitations hasn't expired) so he has recently got into counseling due to this, (but ooops, he testified he was hurt and angry as a child because of being molested before that in court and claimed he had to go to counseling AS A CHILD due to that, while his parents testified, No..)  All of this while we were in possession of a complaint he had made to Pickle years before those court claims  and had been reading Pickle's posts and court filings and claims about him all the years leading up to that and makiing copies of all...

But be gullible, if you choose...



Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 06, 2011, 10:21:05 PM
LOL! You're funny.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on August 06, 2011, 10:24:01 PM
AND THE POINT OF YOUR ACCUSING TONGUE IS??? And you are that anxious to serve time in hades with Tommy Ray Shelton?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Sam on August 07, 2011, 11:27:52 AM
AND THE POINT OF YOUR ACCUSING TONGUE IS??? And you are that anxious to serve time in hades with Tommy Ray Shelton?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

OOOHHHHH  Judge not lest ye be judged......You're mental instabilities are getting the best of you Joy. Try deep breathing...
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on August 08, 2011, 08:51:28 AM
Under the rules of the U. S. Supreme Court, it never allows a person who is not accredited to practice before it, to argue a case before it.

Which rule bars a pro se litigant from arguing?

"Sloan had no formal legal training but orally argued a case in front of the Supreme Court of the United States ...." "After years of litigation, Sloan in 1978 prevailed in the U.S. Supreme Court. Sloan argued the case pro se even though he was not an attorney. ... Sloan won before the U.S. Supreme Court 9-0." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Sloan_(chess_player))

In 2002: "Lorson says that there is still no rule that bars a nonlawyer from arguing before the Court, but that possibility seems ever more remote in the era of Supreme Court specialization." (http://www.anusha.com/amlawyer.htm)

Perhaps the court rarely permits it even though there is no rule barring it.

It's documented fact that you have lost every motion, legal argument, motion for reconsiderations and  appeal that you have filed for the past several years , Pickle, as the court dockets show. Do the words "unmerited" etc mean anything to you? Actually, except for a few 50/50 claimed wins or the original motion asking that all be blanketed in the lawsuit, you have pretty much lost on all accounts even before that.

Perhaps you might file your case, or file anything at all in regards to that and have the Supreme Court  accept it before these arguments amount to anything more than empty words, threats or fantasies, or fruitless "can too, "can not" arguments?

:dunno:
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 08, 2011, 09:39:01 AM
Sirmizer,

A big win for us in the Court of Appeals was the ruling that the Remnant documents were already part of the record on appeal for our second appeal. That was in the latter part of 2009.



Another win early on was when Danny lost his bid to obtain our hard drives.

A huge win was the confidentiality order.

Another win was when the Michigan court enforced our subpoena, and when Remnant lost its appeal.

We consistently won and made progress in the lower court until it became evident that we had a case against 3ABN and Danny's attorneys, since Duffy and Walt asserted that the lawyers had thoroughly investigated 3ABN and Danny's finances, and thus knew or should have known the information in the Remnant docs.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 11, 2011, 01:27:08 PM
Well, I'm glad to see your legal career progressing, Bob.

You might want to get off those kneepads...

TS responded to Alex Walker right before Pickle posted, and it was filed the next day. That waiver acknowledging and basically saying I read your complaint, and no you don't have to go to the bother or expense of a summons. says:" I understand a judgement may be entered against me if an answer or motion under rule 12 is not served upon you within 60 days..."

These games  are tiresome... It's kinda like when Alex testified last year that he had never spoken to anyone or talked about being molested before while in court -- as he claimed he wasn't able to. --OR-- as he now claims in his new complaint and lawsuit that he never knew he was a hurting unit before then, ( thus the statute of limitations hasn't expired) so he has recently got into counseling due to this, (but ooops, he testified he was hurt and angry as a child because of being molested before that in court and claimed he had to go to counseling AS A CHILD due to that, while his parents testified, No..)  All of this while we were in possession of a complaint he had made to Pickle years before those court claims  and had been reading Pickle's posts and court filings and claims about him all the years leading up to that and makiing copies of all...

But be gullible, if you choose...

Now I have time to respond to this. No Sir Myzing, There is a difference between knowing that something happened to you and reporting it, and actually realizing the damages that was caused. So spin that as you may. I will be able to prove exactly what the complaint stated. Make as many copies as you wish....the fact is I will have plenty of witnesses and documentation to prove my case as well.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 11, 2011, 01:29:29 PM
AND THE POINT OF YOUR ACCUSING TONGUE IS??? And you are that anxious to serve time in hades with Tommy Ray Shelton?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

OOOHHHHH  Judge not lest ye be judged......You're mental instabilities are getting the best of you Joy. Try deep breathing...

Here we go again....This coming from someone who post comments from people who can easily be discredited? This coming from someone who made a false allegation concerning me being kicked out of Ezra? Please.

Should I refresh your memory?

You stated:
Could that be because Glen Dryden ran the school at that time and kicked Alex out?
3ABN / Re: Sheltons express support for Tommy's victims
« on: July 28, 2010, 05:25:22 PM »
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 11, 2011, 01:44:00 PM
Well, I'm glad to see your legal career progressing, Bob.

You might want to get off those kneepads...

TS responded to Alex Walker right before Pickle posted, and it was filed the next day. That waiver acknowledging and basically saying I read your complaint, and no you don't have to go to the bother or expense of a summons. says:" I understand a judgement may be entered against me if an answer or motion under rule 12 is not served upon you within 60 days..."


Excellent! Look forward to reading his response.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on August 11, 2011, 08:09:09 PM
"By their fruits ye shall know them"...and you are the greatest of "judges".

I dare to declare that an unrepentant Tommy Ray Shelton is clearly staring hades in the face...but, SAM, still time if you can convert that unrepentant sole!!!

Keep us posted, a/k/a "show me"...

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter, a Tea party Adventitst

AND THE POINT OF YOUR ACCUSING TONGUE IS??? And you are that anxious to serve time in hades with Tommy Ray Shelton?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

OOOHHHHH  Judge not lest ye be judged......You're mental instabilities are getting the best of you Joy. Try deep breathing...
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 18, 2011, 12:26:05 AM
Well, I'm glad to see your legal career progressing, Bob.

You might want to get off those kneepads...

TS responded to Alex Walker right before Pickle posted, and it was filed the next day. That waiver acknowledging and basically saying I read your complaint, and no you don't have to go to the bother or expense of a summons. says:" I understand a judgement may be entered against me if an answer or motion under rule 12 is not served upon you within 60 days..."

These games  are tiresome... It's kinda like when Alex testified last year that he had never spoken to anyone or talked about being molested before while in court -- as he claimed he wasn't able to. --OR-- as he now claims in his new complaint and lawsuit that he never knew he was a hurting unit before then, ( thus the statute of limitations hasn't expired) so he has recently got into counseling due to this, (but ooops, he testified he was hurt and angry as a child because of being molested before that in court and claimed he had to go to counseling AS A CHILD due to that, while his parents testified, No..)  All of this while we were in possession of a complaint he had made to Pickle years before those court claims  and had been reading Pickle's posts and court filings and claims about him all the years leading up to that and makiing copies of all...

But be gullible, if you choose...

Now I have time to respond to this. No Sir Myzing, There is a difference between knowing that something happened to you and reporting it, and actually realizing the damages that was caused. So spin that as you may. I will be able to prove exactly what the complaint stated. Make as many copies as you wish....the fact is I will have plenty of witnesses and documentation to prove my case as well.

Sirmizer: This is what I was talking about.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 18, 2011, 12:27:18 AM
Btw, 3ABN and Tommy both have 10 day's left to respond to the complaint which was filed by me in June. I am sure they will both file a motion to dismiss. I have no doubt those motions will be DENIED!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 18, 2011, 04:48:47 AM
Btw, 3ABN and Tommy both have 10 day's left to respond to the complaint which was filed by me in June. I am sure they will both file a motion to dismiss. I have no doubt those motions will be DENIED!

Alex,

Did 3ABN ever return the waiver of summons? If not, what is happening regarding serving a summons on 3ABN?

According to the docket (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/ilnd-11cv04177/), Tommy has until 8/29. I think that is because 8/28 is a Sunday. If you have to do something by a certain date, and that date falls on a Saturday or Sunday or certain type of holiday, then you have until the next normal business day.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 18, 2011, 06:34:27 AM
Btw, 3ABN and Tommy both have 10 day's left to respond to the complaint which was filed by me in June. I am sure they will both file a motion to dismiss. I have no doubt those motions will be DENIED!

Alex,

Did 3ABN ever return the waiver of summons? If not, what is happening regarding serving a summons on 3ABN?

According to the docket (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/ilnd-11cv04177/), Tommy has until 8/29. I think that is because 8/28 is a Sunday. If you have to do something by a certain date, and that date falls on a Saturday or Sunday or certain type of holiday, then you have until the next normal business day.

As far as I know they have not returned their wavor of summons. Not sure what is happening there. I would expect that Tommy will file a motion to dismiss next week sometime. I believe that 3ABN will likely do the same.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on August 20, 2011, 05:52:55 AM
Well, I'm glad to see your legal career progressing, Bob.

You might want to get off those kneepads...

TS responded to Alex Walker right before Pickle posted, and it was filed the next day. That waiver acknowledging and basically saying I read your complaint, and no you don't have to go to the bother or expense of a summons. says:" I understand a judgement may be entered against me if an answer or motion under rule 12 is not served upon you within 60 days..."

These games  are tiresome... It's kinda like when Alex testified last year that he had never spoken to anyone or talked about being molested before while in court -- as he claimed he wasn't able to. --OR-- as he now claims in his new complaint and lawsuit that he never knew he was a hurting unit before then, ( thus the statute of limitations hasn't expired) so he has recently got into counseling due to this, (but ooops, he testified he was hurt and angry as a child because of being molested before that in court and claimed he had to go to counseling AS A CHILD due to that, while his parents testified, No..)  All of this while we were in possession of a complaint he had made to Pickle years before those court claims  and had been reading Pickle's posts and court filings and claims about him all the years leading up to that and makiing copies of all...

But be gullible, if you choose...

Now I have time to respond to this. No Sir Myzing, There is a difference between knowing that something happened to you and reporting it, and actually realizing the damages that was caused. So spin that as you may. I will be able to prove exactly what the complaint stated. Make as many copies as you wish....the fact is I will have plenty of witnesses and documentation to prove my case as well.

Sirmizer: This is what I was talking about.

Interesting... very...

You said/posted:

Quote
on: August 13, 2011, 10:09:57 AM
Sirmizer: Answer my question's. Geesh.

Btw, it's not a very good reminder than. Especially to yourself, Sirmizer.  :help:

and I replied:

Quote
I am not sure why or how posting "geesh" is necessary???

BUT---
What questions, Alex?  I am sorry, I was not aware you were specifically posting to me or specifically asking me anything.?..?..?...

I still see no questions, Alex... but just so you know? Court is the best way to establish facts imo. Until the court, jury or Judge decides? Truth is, empty claims and boasts mean nothing to me.

We'll see how it turns out, alrighty?



Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 22, 2011, 01:43:02 PM
Well, I'm glad to see your legal career progressing, Bob.

You might want to get off those kneepads...

TS responded to Alex Walker right before Pickle posted, and it was filed the next day. That waiver acknowledging and basically saying I read your complaint, and no you don't have to go to the bother or expense of a summons. says:" I understand a judgement may be entered against me if an answer or motion under rule 12 is not served upon you within 60 days..."

These games  are tiresome... It's kinda like when Alex testified last year that he had never spoken to anyone or talked about being molested before while in court -- as he claimed he wasn't able to. --OR-- as he now claims in his new complaint and lawsuit that he never knew he was a hurting unit before then, ( thus the statute of limitations hasn't expired) so he has recently got into counseling due to this, (but ooops, he testified he was hurt and angry as a child because of being molested before that in court and claimed he had to go to counseling AS A CHILD due to that, while his parents testified, No..)  All of this while we were in possession of a complaint he had made to Pickle years before those court claims  and had been reading Pickle's posts and court filings and claims about him all the years leading up to that and makiing copies of all...

But be gullible, if you choose...

Now I have time to respond to this. No Sir Myzing, There is a difference between knowing that something happened to you and reporting it, and actually realizing the damages that was caused. So spin that as you may. I will be able to prove exactly what the complaint stated. Make as many copies as you wish....the fact is I will have plenty of witnesses and documentation to prove my case as well.

Sirmizer: This is what I was talking about.

Interesting... very...

You said/posted:

Quote
on: August 13, 2011, 10:09:57 AM
Sirmizer: Answer my question's. Geesh.

Btw, it's not a very good reminder than. Especially to yourself, Sirmizer.  :help:

and I replied:

Quote
I am not sure why or how posting "geesh" is necessary???

BUT---
What questions, Alex?  I am sorry, I was not aware you were specifically posting to me or specifically asking me anything.?..?..?...

I still see no questions, Alex... but just so you know? Court is the best way to establish facts imo. Until the court, jury or Judge decides? Truth is, empty claims and boasts mean nothing to me.

We'll see how it turns out, alrighty?




Whatever. I asked you if Tommy was going to represent himself or hire you or Cindy? You failed to answer my question.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 24, 2011, 08:11:22 AM
Since Tommy has filed his waiver for accepting service he has until 5 pm Monday to respond to the Complaint.

3ABN at this point has not returned the waiver.

Is it a surprise that 3ABN is waiting until the last minute?




Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on August 24, 2011, 01:38:47 PM
Since Tommy has filed his waiver for accepting service he has until 5 pm Monday to respond to the Complaint.

3ABN at this point has not returned the waiver.

Is it a surprise that 3ABN is waiting until the last minute?

Would 3ABN get away with not returning the waiver?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 25, 2011, 02:23:35 AM
Since Tommy has filed his waiver for accepting service he has until 5 pm Monday to respond to the Complaint.

3ABN at this point has not returned the waiver.

Is it a surprise that 3ABN is waiting until the last minute?

Would 3ABN get away with not returning the waiver?

Perhaps. Then they will be sent a summons from my attorney's which would require them to respond within 20 days there after.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: SDAminister on August 25, 2011, 02:50:24 PM
Since Tommy has filed his waiver for accepting service he has until 5 pm Monday to respond to the Complaint.

3ABN at this point has not returned the waiver.

Is it a surprise that 3ABN is waiting until the last minute?

Would 3ABN get away with not returning the waiver?

Perhaps. Then they will be sent a summons from my attorney's which would require them to respond within 20 days there after.

Why do you write "attorney's" instead of "attorneys"?

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: vestedinterest on August 26, 2011, 06:52:07 PM
Interesting that you would comment on that.  I have an admin assisstant who uses an apostrophe before just about any "S" that appears at the end of a word... Certainly a flaw in someone who makes their living at that sort of thing. However, in the case of Mr. Walker's entry, it could have been A) a typo B) a grammatical/punctuation error or C) the omission of a word after "attorney's" such as firm, office, desk, etc. It happens.  For example, I noticed one of your posts contained the word campmeeting but when you google the word, it says, "Did you mean camp meeting ?"But since neither you nor Alex make a living as proofers/editors, sometimes mistakes occur.  :dogwag:
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 27, 2011, 11:34:11 AM
3ABN files a motion to dismiss. Their motion can be seen at 3abnvjoy.com. Then look for Walker vs. Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Tommy Shelton.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Snoopy on August 27, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
3ABN files a motion to dismiss. Their motion can be seen at 3abnvjoy.com. Then look for Walker vs. Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Tommy Shelton.


SICK.   SICK.   SICK.   One huge piece of the puzzle is missing from that memorandum - A DENIAL THAT IT HAPPENED!!!

Alex, I am so truly sorry you have to endure this.  You are in my prayers.

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on August 27, 2011, 03:39:09 PM
3ABN files a motion to dismiss. Their motion can be seen at 3abnvjoy.com. Then look for Walker vs. Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Tommy Shelton.

Is it up to the judge to decide at this stage, or what will your lawyer do?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 27, 2011, 09:58:05 PM
3ABN files a motion to dismiss. Their motion can be seen at 3abnvjoy.com. Then look for Walker vs. Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Tommy Shelton.

Is it up to the judge to decide at this stage, or what will your lawyer do?

According to one of the motions by 3ABN's attorney's they will be appearing before the judge on September 7th to argue why it should be dismissed, I am sure my attorney's will be there as well.

If you notice the list of witnesses that Jim Gilley states in his Memo. It's laughable completely.

First, I will have witnesses of former employees myself. Including the former co-founder and Vice President of 3ABN, Linda Shelton, on my witness list. -- I may add that Linda is the one who hired me, and I was hired to help with HER music videos. I will not comment further on that.

Second, their witness list is more to entice than to intimidate.

I would comment on the 115 hours, but will leave that to my attorneys.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 30, 2011, 07:36:57 AM
I spoke to one of my attorneys today. They said that Tommy did not make the deadline for filing yesterday. Actually, he didn't file anything at all. It appears that he loses by default and a default judgment can be placed against him now.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on August 30, 2011, 02:17:16 PM
What does that mean?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 30, 2011, 04:09:58 PM
Basically, Tommy loses. A judgement can be entered against him.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on August 31, 2011, 12:40:36 PM
Judgements can be discharged by bankruptcy. 
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 31, 2011, 01:06:32 PM
Judgements can be discharged by bankruptcy.

That is correct, Artiste.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on August 31, 2011, 02:08:27 PM
Judgements can be discharged by bankruptcy. 

Does that mean you need not keep the law if you are declared bankrupt?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on August 31, 2011, 05:12:12 PM
I spoke to one of my attorneys today. They said that Tommy did not make the deadline for filing yesterday. Actually, he didn't file anything at all. It appears that he loses by default and a default judgment can be placed against him now.

Alex, I'm wondering if 3ABN's motion to dismiss was intended to help Tommy out by getting the case entirely dismissed. You know, another example of 3ABN footing the legal bills for the Shelton gang.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 31, 2011, 05:42:11 PM
Judgements can be discharged by bankruptcy. 

Does that mean you need not keep the law if you are declared bankrupt?

Not necessarily. It's not that easy.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on August 31, 2011, 05:44:59 PM
I spoke to one of my attorneys today. They said that Tommy did not make the deadline for filing yesterday. Actually, he didn't file anything at all. It appears that he loses by default and a default judgment can be placed against him now.

Alex, I'm wondering if 3ABN's motion to dismiss was intended to help Tommy out by getting the case entirely dismissed. You know, another example of 3ABN footing the legal bills for the Shelton gang.

It's possible, but Tommy is not represented by 3ABN's attorneys. I am presuming that Tommy is not going to fight this, as he figures that he will not have to pay that which he does not have.

Which brings me to my next point. It has been stated by a certain "NIKOLAS" on the other site that Tommy is being advised to sue me for court cost if he is found  not guilty. Does Tommy think he is going to get money out of me? 
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on September 01, 2011, 07:35:38 AM
I spoke to one of my attorneys today. They said that Tommy did not make the deadline for filing yesterday. Actually, he didn't file anything at all. It appears that he loses by default and a default judgment can be placed against him now.

Alex, I'm wondering if 3ABN's motion to dismiss was intended to help Tommy out by getting the case entirely dismissed. You know, another example of 3ABN footing the legal bills for the Shelton gang.

It's possible, but Tommy is not represented by 3ABN's attorneys. I am presuming that Tommy is not going to fight this, as he figures that he will not have to pay that which he does not have.

Which brings me to my next point. It has been stated by a certain "NIKOLAS" on the other site that Tommy is being advised to sue me for court cost if he is found  not guilty. Does Tommy think he is going to get money out of me? 


Regarded as two separate cases?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on September 01, 2011, 02:09:55 PM

Which brings me to my next point. It has been stated by a certain "NIKOLAS" on the other site...


You mean the site that says "suspended page/disabled" in the URL?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on September 01, 2011, 03:25:33 PM
LOL!  Because it ain't saying much else!  
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on September 01, 2011, 03:44:02 PM

Which brings me to my next point. It has been stated by a certain "NIKOLAS" on the other site...


You mean the site that says "suspended page/disabled" in the URL?

It is still suspended.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on September 02, 2011, 03:22:00 AM
Still suspended
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 02, 2011, 10:15:54 AM
Wonder if they finally got in trouble for their porn?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 02, 2011, 11:37:48 AM
I just received information that Tommy did file something. I'm waiting for my attorney to email it to me. He is representing himself pro se.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 02, 2011, 11:48:47 AM
Could someone please tell me how to insert a file?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 02, 2011, 11:49:56 AM
Copy of Tommy's reply. Hope this works!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on September 02, 2011, 01:18:43 PM
Interesting how Tommy's now denying what he admitted to last year. That's makes him either a liar then or a liar now or both.

Alex, or anyone else, does 3ABN own any FM, AM, or TV stations around Chicago or anywhere in the Northern District of Illinois? If so, Alex's attorneys ought to know that before the hearing.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Murcielago on September 02, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
I just received information that Tommy did file something. I'm waiting for my attorney to email it to me. He is representing himself pro se.

Pro se? Bob, everyone wants to be just like you. Maybe you could help him out with some tips and pointers along the way.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on September 02, 2011, 03:26:56 PM
Soooo. what is he talking about?  Isn't he on trial for this?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on September 02, 2011, 03:28:52 PM
He's doing a lot of denying in this document.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 03, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
Interesting how Tommy's now denying what he admitted to last year. That's makes him either a liar then or a liar now or both.

Alex, or anyone else, does 3ABN own any FM, AM, or TV stations around Chicago or anywhere in the Northern District of Illinois? If so, Alex's attorneys ought to know that before the hearing.

I believe there is evidence to prove such.

Also to undercovering_truth, I may not be as "savy" at the law as you seem to make yourself appear. However, unlike YOU, I am willing to retract any statment that I make that is inaccurate. Perhaps you should learn a lesson or two.

How do you know what my attorneys and I discuss? Perhaps you are  breaking attorney/client privilige..maybe recording us? Would not be the first time that Danny has done it. You are a liar when you claim I did not speak to my attorney and they informed me that it is possible that a default judgement could be placed against Tommy.

It is also true that there is such a thing as a "grace period" depending upon the judge.

You also claim there is "significant amount of case law to have this whole case thrown out." I would also have you know there is on the contrary as well.

IF and I say IF this is moved to the Southern court, it will be refiled that day. Mark my words.

The court will probably hand down a decision as early as this week.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: youngwarrior on September 03, 2011, 02:09:15 PM
Interesting the Tommy would deny being an employee of 3ABN in 2001.  That would be very easy to discover whether the denial was true or not; subpoena 3ABN's employment records.  I do know that around 2001 Danny and Tommy appeared, as employees of 3ABN, at the East Salem SDA Church in Salem, OR.  I don't remember the date or even the year but the East Salem SDA Church would have those records as well as 3ABN since 3ABN brought their production truck and uplink truck.  One of Danny's nephews ran camera for the shoot.  I will leave the nephew nameless as, to my knowledge, he was not involved in the problems at 3ABN in any way.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on September 04, 2011, 04:00:45 PM
In 2003 Tommy travelled through Europe with Danny and Linda representing 3ABN - and I was along. But I do not know when Tommy was hired.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on September 04, 2011, 09:01:06 PM
Tommy's answer is Best summed up as "Deny Everything and Admit Nothing". Ignorance is suddenly absolutely bliss!!! I wonder if it is "Simpson Inspired" ignorance? Certainly helpful in the development of the case, but Simpson must know there is plenty of evidence that the entire answer, particularly Danny Lee Shelton's Ignorance is easily destroyed by the weight of Danny's own evidence, particularly his various statements and even a recording or two.

So, let me sum it up as "what a blatant set of lies!!!" Let's hang the piece of agnostic pedophilic trash!!!

Keep in mind the answer is a precursor of the answer to the complaint from Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN after the denial of the Motion to dismiss. When there are open issues of facts, the court will move it along to trial. Simpson took a very pathetic stab in the dark, but unfortunately, Tommy's answers develop a basis for a question of material facts.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter



Copy of Tommy's reply. Hope this works!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 06, 2011, 11:40:01 AM
Interesting the Tommy would deny being an employee of 3ABN in 2001.  That would be very easy to discover whether the denial was true or not; subpoena 3ABN's employment records.  I do know that around 2001 Danny and Tommy appeared, as employees of 3ABN, at the East Salem SDA Church in Salem, OR.  I don't remember the date or even the year but the East Salem SDA Church would have those records as well as 3ABN since 3ABN brought their production truck and uplink truck.  One of Danny's nephews ran camera for the shoot.  I will leave the nephew nameless as, to my knowledge, he was not involved in the problems at 3ABN in any way.

Also the certian love gift that was sent to Tommy while he was pastor in Dun Loring.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 06, 2011, 11:41:18 AM
Tommy's answer is Best summed up as "Deny Everything and Admit Nothing". Ignorance is suddenly absolutely bliss!!! I wonder if it is "Simpson Inspired" ignorance? Certainly helpful in the development of the case, but Simpson must know there is plenty of evidence that the entire answer, particularly Danny Lee Shelton's Ignorance is easily destroyed by the weight of Danny's own evidence, particularly his various statements and even a recording or two.

So, let me sum it up as "what a blatant set of lies!!!" Let's hang the piece of agnostic pedophilic trash!!!

Keep in mind the answer is a precursor of the answer to the complaint from Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN after the denial of the Motion to dismiss. When there are open issues of facts, the court will move it along to trial. Simpson took a very pathetic stab in the dark, but unfortunately, Tommy's answers develop a basis for a question of material facts.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter



Copy of Tommy's reply. Hope this works!

Tommy's reply was, well, a good help for me no doubt. LOL.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Snoopy on September 06, 2011, 12:15:45 PM
Tommy's reply was, well, a good help for me no doubt. LOL.

That was my impression, too, Alex.

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on September 06, 2011, 12:36:57 PM

Tommy's reply was, well, a good help for me no doubt. LOL.

I have a notion your lawyer was prepared for this.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 08, 2011, 07:42:56 AM
Attorneys for 3ABN and myself appeared before the judge yesterday. The judge put in an order that my attorneys have 28 days to respond to then motion to dismiss. After that 3ABN has 14 days to respond to that.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Snoopy on September 08, 2011, 03:25:12 PM
What about Tommy?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on September 09, 2011, 06:21:35 AM
What about Tommy?

I am not positive, so I will not comment, don't want the other site making comments like they did last time.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on September 09, 2011, 12:48:28 PM
The order does say, "Defendant Tommy Shelton to file his pro se appearance immediately."
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on October 06, 2011, 06:37:09 AM
We filed a MEMORANDUM by Alex Walker in Opposition to motion to dismiss yesterday.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on October 06, 2011, 05:37:05 PM
Our response that was filed yesterday.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Snoopy on October 06, 2011, 07:36:18 PM
Our response that was filed yesterday.

That is quite a comprehensive response.  Sounds like they have done this before!  What happens next, Alex?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on October 07, 2011, 06:35:42 AM
Our response that was filed yesterday.

That is quite a comprehensive response.  Sounds like they have done this before!  What happens next, Alex?


3ABN has 14 day's to respond.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on October 07, 2011, 08:52:10 AM
Did you all see Alex's motion to strike?

http://www.3abnvjoy.com/ilnd-11cv04177/ilnd-11cv04177-doc-17.pdf
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on October 07, 2011, 10:59:31 AM
Yes, I thought that was a very good response, making important points such as this one:

Quote

The Complaint alleges that 3ABN protected Tommy Shelton rather than protecting children, and even made Tommy Shelton a regular fixture on its children’s programming.

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on October 07, 2011, 11:46:30 AM
The other site still seems confident that the court will 1.) dismiss it. 2.) Move it to the Southern Court.

I believe my attorney's made a good argument as to why neither should take place.

If any of them are more likely it would be the latter.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gregory on October 07, 2011, 06:19:35 PM
My personal opinion is that Alex has retained competent attornies who know very well what they need to  do.

I do not believed that the lawsuit will be dismissed.

If the Court should order a change in venue, I would consider that to be a minor obstacle that would not handicap the plaintiffs in a major way.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on October 08, 2011, 03:17:35 PM
My personal opinion is that Alex has retained competent attornies who know very well what they need to  do.

I do not believed that the lawsuit will be dismissed.

If the Court should order a change in venue, I would consider that to be a minor obstacle that would not handicap the plaintiffs in a major way.

It appears that way.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on October 08, 2011, 07:11:48 PM
So what can 3ABN hope to gain by their motion to dismiss? Even if the federal claim would be dismissed with prejudice, then Alex could just refile in state court. A change in venue really wouldn't mean a whole lot, would it?

But what a blow if their motion gets denied!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on October 09, 2011, 03:17:20 PM
My personal opinion is that Alex has retained competent attornies who know very well what they need to  do.

I do not believed that the lawsuit will be dismissed.

If the Court should order a change in venue, I would consider that to be a minor obstacle that would not handicap the plaintiffs in a major way.

i have just listened to an hour long interview with a prominent mature woman and the mother of two daughters. She has just written a book about her experiences which I mean to get hold of very soon.

This woman was the oldest daughter of a bishop in the Lutheran Church and a great youth leader and very popular. It was not until her father was an old man some dormant memories came to life in this woman who has been a prominent teacher. Suddenly she realizes that her own father has transgressed against her from she was about 5 until she was 16. It was at 16 she suddenly realized that she had the power to chase her drunk father out of her room, and yet her father had brainwashed her to believe that she must never tell anyone what was going on between them, or something terrible would happen to her.  So she dismissed it from her memory.

Years later she agreed to accompany her mature parents on a tour through Canada and the United States when her father yields his demonic force on her once more. Then she starts waking up, also when other women complain to the church what the bishop had done to them from the time he was a young pastor.

When I listened to the story I heard again the story of Danny Shelton, of Tommy Shelton, of Alex, and of Linda Shelton.

Several things from the story of Mrs. Gudrun Ebba sounded almost verbally as if they were taken from posts on that other site where they are defending the actions of Danny and Tommy. People used very similar arguments as documentation that the bishop was innocent.

At an early stage the bishop had called his daughter's friends, and even authorities, warning them that his daughter might have problems giving a true rendering of events she had experienced.

The bishop was an old man when his daughter finally had the courage confronting him with his deeds. He took it all with great smiles asking her not to bring up her biased version of old family grievances.

She did not attend his funeral. . .

This is just from my memory as I heard her telling it. I will get hold of her book which has just been released.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on October 09, 2011, 10:36:52 PM
My personal opinion is that Alex has retained competent attornies who know very well what they need to  do.

I do not believed that the lawsuit will be dismissed.

If the Court should order a change in venue, I would consider that to be a minor obstacle that would not handicap the plaintiffs in a major way.

i have just listened to an hour long interview with a prominent mature woman and the mother of two daughters. She has just written a book about her experiences which I mean to get hold of very soon.

This woman was the oldest daughter of a bishop in the Lutheran Church and a great youth leader and very popular. It was not until her father was an old man some dormant memories came to life in this woman who has been a prominent teacher. Suddenly she realizes that her own father has transgressed against her from she was about 5 until she was 16. It was at 16 she suddenly realized that she had the power to chase her drunk father out of her room, and yet her father had brainwashed her to believe that she must never tell anyone what was going on between them, or something terrible would happen to her.  So she dismissed it from her memory.

Years later she agreed to accompany her mature parents on a tour through Canada and the United States when her father yields his demonic force on her once more. Then she starts waking up, also when other women complain to the church what the bishop had done to them from the time he was a young pastor.

When I listened to the story I heard again the story of Danny Shelton, of Tommy Shelton, of Alex, and of Linda Shelton.

Several things from the story of Mrs. Gudrun Ebba sounded almost verbally as if they were taken from posts on that other site where they are defending the actions of Danny and Tommy. People used very similar arguments as documentation that the bishop was innocent.

At an early stage the bishop had called his daughter's friends, and even authorities, warning them that his daughter might have problems giving a true rendering of events she had experienced.

The bishop was an old man when his daughter finally had the courage confronting him with his deeds. He took it all with great smiles asking her not to bring up her biased version of old family grievances.

She did not attend his funeral. . .

This is just from my memory as I heard her telling it. I will get hold of her book which has just been released.

So people have similar responses to protect themselves when they have transgressed.

That was an amazing story, Johann.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Nosir Myzing on October 10, 2011, 06:10:22 PM
FYI for readers-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_allegation_of_child_sexual_abuse

And another amazing story - this one from Fairfax county Virginia...

http://volokh.com/category/criminallaw/crime-victims-rights/false-accusations/

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/577501.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-life-shaken-by-false-allegations/2011/05/08/AF41Bj3G_gallery.html#photo=1

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on October 10, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
FYI

Child sexual abuse has been reported up to 80,000 times a year, but the number of unreported instances is far greater, because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult. The problem should be identified, the abuse stopped, and the child should receive professional help. The long-term emotional and psychological damage of sexual abuse can be devastating to the child. http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Child+Sexual+Abuse&section=Facts+for+Families

Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on October 10, 2011, 09:10:33 PM
I take it that the examples of false accusations of child molestation posted above are offered in light of the Tommy Shelton situation.

However, I'm not sure what relevance those stories have to the accusations Tommy Shelton is facing since he has already admitted to his actions.   
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Gregory on October 11, 2011, 02:07:59 AM
Here is what Wickipedia has to say about false accusations of child molestation:

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A false allegation of child sexual abuse is an accusation that a person committed one or more acts of child sexual abuse when in reality there was no perpetration of abuse by the accused person as alleged. Such accusations can be brought by the alleged victim , or by another person on the alleged victim's behalf. Studies of child abuse allegations suggest that the overall rate of false accusation is under 10%, as approximated based on multiple studies.[1][2][3][4]

Of the allegations determined to be false, only a small portion originated with the child, the studies showed; most false allegations originated with an adult bringing the accusations on behalf of a child, and of those, a large majority occurred in the context of divorce and child-custody battles.[1][5] They may also have occurred when someone was getting back at someone else, if they get rejected for a promotion (for example) or to cover up an affair in cultures that frown on extramarital sex.

. . .
 
Types of false allegations
 
When there is insufficient supporting evidence to determine whether an accusation is true or false, it is described as "unsubstantiated" or "unfounded".

Accusations that are determined to be false based on corroborating evidence can be divided into three categories:

An allegation that is completely false in that the events that were alleged did not occur; It could be done to get back at a teacher or employer who denied them a grade for coursework, a pay raise or promotion. It could also be done for the purposes of extortion or blackmail.

 An allegation that describes events that did occur, but were perpetrated by an individual who is not accused, and in which the accused person is innocent. When a child makes this type of allegation it is termed "perpetrator substitution";
 
An allegation that is partially true and partially false, in that it mixes descriptions of events that actually happened with other events that did not occur.

NOTE:  The statement that less than 10% are false is accurate.  One would expect that there would be false alligations.  That is what happens in the world in which we live.  Alligations are never 100% true in all cases.  It is important that every allligtion be carefully investigated to determine whether it is true or false, in whole or in part.   But, the per-cent of problematic alligations is small.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on October 11, 2011, 03:05:21 AM
I take it that the examples of false accusations of child molestation posted above are offered in light of the Tommy Shelton situation.

However, I'm not sure what relevance those stories have to the accusations Tommy Shelton is facing since he has already admitted to his actions.   

People in the defence are often blind to certain details.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on October 11, 2011, 06:29:41 AM
FYI for readers-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_allegation_of_child_sexual_abuse

And another amazing story - this one from Fairfax county Virginia...

http://volokh.com/category/criminallaw/crime-victims-rights/false-accusations/

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/577501.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-life-shaken-by-false-allegations/2011/05/08/AF41Bj3G_gallery.html#photo=1


SIR MYZER!!! Why don't you "[censored] out" and let the court decide, huh?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Bob Pickle on October 12, 2011, 04:34:41 AM
I take it that the examples of false accusations of child molestation posted above are offered in light of the Tommy Shelton situation.

However, I'm not sure what relevance those stories have to the accusations Tommy Shelton is facing since he has already admitted to his actions.

Not only did Tommy admit to molesting Alex, but in a public courtroom and in front of the judge and members of the public, Tommy Ray Shelton tried to convince the judge that he was remorseful for molesting Alex.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Artiste on October 12, 2011, 09:35:02 AM
Well that sure sounds like an admission of guilt!
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on October 12, 2011, 12:08:36 PM
I take it that the examples of false accusations of child molestation posted above are offered in light of the Tommy Shelton situation.

However, I'm not sure what relevance those stories have to the accusations Tommy Shelton is facing since he has already admitted to his actions.

Not only did Tommy admit to molesting Alex, but in a public courtroom and in front of the judge and members of the public, Tommy Ray Shelton tried to convince the judge that he was remorseful for molesting Alex.

I do believe there is news articles that prove this too, for those who want to assume we all are liars.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: vestedinterest on October 12, 2011, 05:10:52 PM
FYI for readers-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_allegation_of_child_sexual_abuse

And another amazing story - this one from Fairfax county Virginia...

http://volokh.com/category/criminallaw/crime-victims-rights/false-accusations/

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/577501.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-life-shaken-by-false-allegations/2011/05/08/AF41Bj3G_gallery.html#photo=1
What is your point here, Nosir? If you believe you are enlightening the readers to the fact that sometimes people are falsely accused (yes, and convicted) of crimes they did not commit, most people know that already. If it has direct application to the Tommy Shelton case, I don't get it.Can you connect the dots for me?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Johann on October 15, 2011, 10:49:07 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/14/3207434/diocese-bishop-finn-acknowledges.html

Is that your lawyer at work, Alex?
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: Alex L. Walker on October 17, 2011, 07:11:36 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/14/3207434/diocese-bishop-finn-acknowledges.html

Is that your lawyer at work, Alex?

I'm not sure. 
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on November 07, 2011, 05:24:56 AM
FYI

Child sexual abuse has been reported up to 80,000 times a year, but the number of unreported instances is far greater, because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult. The problem should be identified, the abuse stopped, and the child should receive professional help. The long-term emotional and psychological damage of sexual abuse can be devastating to the child. http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Child+Sexual+Abuse&section=Facts+for+Families
The child should receive their help, if needed, from someone who has actually been sexually abused. Someone who has just read about it or heard lectures needs to stay out of it. They don't know what they're talking about.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on November 07, 2011, 02:15:48 PM
I agree.  So often when, as with most recent cases, the issue is that the perpetrator is denying or just lying about th abuse, the child does not get the help needed, especially in religious circles. The family is convinced to go on as if nothing has happened.  On top of that, these days there are mandated reporters such as doctors, teachers, preachers, even foster parents(from experience I know this).  the child is basically victimze over again by not getting proper help.

Duane, I know it is difficult to believe but there are experienced caring, capable, and godly counselors who can help in this area.  I have met a few being a foster parent.   
 
FYI

Child sexual abuse has been reported up to 80,000 times a year, but the number of unreported instances is far greater, because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult. The problem should be identified, the abuse stopped, and the child should receive professional help. The long-term emotional and psychological damage of sexual abuse can be devastating to the child. http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Child+Sexual+Abuse&section=Facts+for+Families
The child should receive their help, if needed, from someone who has actually been sexually abused. Someone who has just read about it or heard lectures needs to stay out of it. They don't know what they're talking about.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on November 07, 2011, 02:34:39 PM
I agree.  So often when, as with most recent cases, the issue is that the perpetrator is denying or just lying about th abuse, the child does not get the help needed, especially in religious circles. The family is convinced to go on as if nothing has happened.  On top of that, these days there are mandated reporters such as doctors, teachers, preachers, even foster parents(from experience I know this).  the child is basically victimze over again by not getting proper help.

Duane, I know it is difficult to believe but there are experienced caring, capable, and godly counselors who can help in this area.  I have met a few being a foster parent.   
 
FYI

Child sexual abuse has been reported up to 80,000 times a year, but the number of unreported instances is far greater, because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult. The problem should be identified, the abuse stopped, and the child should receive professional help. The long-term emotional and psychological damage of sexual abuse can be devastating to the child. http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Child+Sexual+Abuse&section=Facts+for+Families
The child should receive their help, if needed, from someone who has actually been sexually abused. Someone who has just read about it or heard lectures needs to stay out of it. They don't know what they're talking about.
What's difficult to believe is what you said to me months ago that cuased me to leave in the first place.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on November 07, 2011, 02:41:24 PM
Quote from: princessdi
I have to disagree with you, Duane, it is not like slapping God in the face.  He places "help" for us here on earth all the time.  it is the reason why the Bible puts so much emphasis on encouraging, upholding each other, bearing one another's burdens, and fellowship, while it also says that we have encourage ourselves.  There is a time and season fro everything.  Somethings we work out with God and God alone, others times He sends one of His children who are trained, educated, spiritually gifted and/or a personal testimony to help us.  It seems to me that it is actually you who is dictating to God in which way you will accept His help, limiting His ability to actually help you when He actually has limitless resources.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on November 07, 2011, 02:42:28 PM
Duane!   I am soooo sorry. I didn't realize that I said anything to offend you, let alone have to you leave. I don't even know what it is, but please forgive me.  Why didn't you say anything then?  You know me, if I'm wrong and you check me, I have no problems apologizing, or even recitfying the issue, if possible,.

PM me is you'd like to talk further......Again I sincerely apologize.


I agree.  So often when, as with most recent cases, the issue is that the perpetrator is denying or just lying about th abuse, the child does not get the help needed, especially in religious circles. The family is convinced to go on as if nothing has happened.  On top of that, these days there are mandated reporters such as doctors, teachers, preachers, even foster parents(from experience I know this).  the child is basically victimze over again by not getting proper help.

Duane, I know it is difficult to believe but there are experienced caring, capable, and godly counselors who can help in this area.  I have met a few being a foster parent.   
 
FYI

Child sexual abuse has been reported up to 80,000 times a year, but the number of unreported instances is far greater, because the children are afraid to tell anyone what has happened, and the legal procedure for validating an episode is difficult. The problem should be identified, the abuse stopped, and the child should receive professional help. The long-term emotional and psychological damage of sexual abuse can be devastating to the child. http://aacap.org/page.ww?name=Child+Sexual+Abuse&section=Facts+for+Families
The child should receive their help, if needed, from someone who has actually been sexually abused. Someone who has just read about it or heard lectures needs to stay out of it. They don't know what they're talking about.
What's difficult to believe is what you said to me months ago that cuased me to leave in the first place.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on November 07, 2011, 02:48:14 PM
I DID say something then. Secular counseling has NO place in Christian work, and people who have not been sexually abused have NO business calling themselves sexual abuse counselors. It's no wonder some people have no confidence in the church anymore. We send them right back into the world for "answers." "Oh, this is WAY too big for God. You need a professional."
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on November 07, 2011, 02:56:16 PM
Aaaaaahhhh....Well, I am sorry that I hurt you with that statement, it definitely was not my intent, but to maybe get you to open up to ALL the ways God was sending your healing.  Sometimes we are like the drowning swimmer who fights the one trying to save them.  But I also left out that God knows each and everyone of us, and He knows best how to reach His children, especially ones damaged in such an egregious manner.

I hope this explains my original post, and again I am sorry for any hurt I caused you.  It is never, ever, my intention to revictimize anyone.

Quote from: princessdi
I have to disagree with you, Duane, it is not like slapping God in the face.  He places "help" for us here on earth all the time.  it is the reason why the Bible puts so much emphasis on encouraging, upholding each other, bearing one another's burdens, and fellowship, while it also says that we have encourage ourselves.  There is a time and season fro everything.  Somethings we work out with God and God alone, others times He sends one of His children who are trained, educated, spiritually gifted and/or a personal testimony to help us.  It seems to me that it is actually you who is dictating to God in which way you will accept His help, limiting His ability to actually help you when He actually has limitless resources.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on November 07, 2011, 02:59:07 PM
Ok, I'm sorry, but can't they be both?  I have a very good friend, best friend who is.

And this is my last word on this.  I really don't mean to cause any further harm to you.  I really like you and support you in your fight here.

I DID say something then. Secular counseling has NO place in Christian work, and people who have not been sexually abused have NO business calling themselves sexual abuse counselors. It's no wonder some people have no confidence in the church anymore. We send them right back into the world for "answers." "Oh, this is WAY too big for God. You need a professional."
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on November 07, 2011, 03:01:30 PM
Ok, I'm sorry, but can't they be both?
A secular counselor and a Christian counselor? No, they can't.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on November 07, 2011, 03:07:47 PM
No, that is not what I meant. I meant can't they be a professional counselor and a christian.  Which probably makes this particular situation a huge misunderstanding.   

Ok, I'm sorry, but can't they be both?
A secular counselor and a Christian counselor? No, they can't.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: ex3abnemployee on November 07, 2011, 03:11:57 PM
Not if they use non Biblical techniques and advice, no.
Title: Re: 3ABN sued over child molestation!
Post by: princessdi on November 09, 2011, 03:20:07 PM
Well, you always have to be careful and extremely specific in the choosing of counselors for any reason.  None of the christian counselors I know use no biblical techniques, etc. 

One of the more excellent ones I know has a grief counseling group on PhoneFaith weekly.  It is very good.......will eventually deal with all types of loss.

Not if they use non Biblical techniques and advice, no.