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reddogs

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Where is the harm in liquor or drinking..?
« on: May 21, 2008, 11:20:13 AM »



I never thought about the harm caused to those who sold the 'spirits' as well as those that imbibed, the wrecks at sea where the Captain was 'under the influence' or the lawmakers who have to pass laws to control the damage after the deaths occur from what they allowed. Here are some counsels from Ellen White that seems years ahead of her time...

"...In every phase of the liquor-selling business, there is dishonesty and violence. The houses of liquor-dealers are built with the wages of unrighteousness, and upheld by violence and oppression. Those who deal in liquor, and those who sustain the traffic, are working in co-partnership with Satan. Through this business they are doing a greater work to perpetuate human woe than are men through any other business in the world. Christians cannot use intoxicating liquors, nor connect themselves in the least degree with any business that leads to the degradation and downfall of humanity. {PH132 1.2}


The rum-seller takes the same position as did Cain, and says, "Am I my brother's keeper?" And God says to him, as He said to Cain, "The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto Me from the ground." Gen. 4:9, 10. Liquor-dealers will be held accountable for the wretchedness and misery brought into the homes of those who are weak in moral power, and who fall through temptation to drink. They will be charged with the misery, the suffering, the hopelessness brought into the world through the liquor traffic. They will have to answer for the want and woe of the mothers and children who have suffered for food, and clothing, and shelter, who have buried all hope and joy. He who has a care for the sparrow, and notes its fall to the ground, who "clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is cast into the oven," will not pass by those who have been formed in his own image, purchased with his own blood, and pay no heed to their suffering cries. God marks this wickedness that perpetuates misery and crime. He charges it all up to those whose influence helps to open the door of temptation to the soul. {PH132 2.1}


There are men who have accepted high positions of trust, who have placed themselves under solemn vows to work for the good of the people, but who are untrue to these vows, who are not acting the part of their brother's keeper. They are violating the principles of God's law, and failing to love their neighbour as themselves. Law-makers are permitting breweries to be
planted all over the land, thus defiling the earth, and supplying to public houses that which they know to be a deadly evil. Drinking houses are scattered all over the cities and towns, inviting the traveller to stop and water his horses at the troughs, which are so convenient, and also to come in, and spend his money for a glass of some intoxicating drink. The water in the trough is a blessing to the thirsty horses, but what a curse is the liquor to the man who enters and drinks. The traveller enters the public house with his reason, with ability to walk upright; but look at him as he leaves. The lustre is gone from his eye. The power to walk upright is gone; he reels to and fro like a ship at sea. His reasoning power is paralysed; the image of God is destroyed. The poisonous, maddening draught has left a brand upon him so evil that nature rebels, and refuses to own him. He is the slave of depraved appetite, and instead of coming to his help, to break every yoke, and to let the oppressed go free, his brethren bind him the tighter in his chains. They rob his wife and children of his money, and take away from them a kind and sensible husband and father, by dealing out to him a potion that makes him a madman. He is in slavery, body and soul, and he cannot distinguish between right and wrong. The liquor-dealer has put the bottle to his neighbour's lips, and under its influence he is full of cruelty and murder, and in his madness actually commits murder. {PH132 2.2}


He is brought before an earthly tribunal, and those who legalized the traffic are forced to deal with the results of their own work. They authorised by law the giving to this man of a draught that would turn him
from a sane man into a madman, and now it is necessary for them to send him to prison and to the gallows for his crime. His wife and children are left in destitution and poverty, to become the charge of the community in which they live. Soul and body the man is lost, cut off from earth, and with no title to heaven. {PH132 3.1}


But there is a higher tribunal than that of earth, and in that tribunal the effect is traced to the cause, and the man who put the bottle to his neighbour's lips is charged with the sins of him who committed murder through the influence of the draught that robbed him of his reason. {PH132 4.1}


And are not the rulers of the land largely responsible for the aggravated crimes, the current of deadly evil, that is the result of this liquor traffic? Is it not their duty and in their power to remove this evil?--Yes, it is; and unless they do it, the blood of souls will be found upon their garments. {PH132 4.2}


When a ship is wrecked in sight of the shore, and the people look on, powerless to save, they are shocked and pained beyond measure. They talk of every possible means whereby to save those who are perishing; and even after the ship has gone down, and the lives of all are lost, they still try to think of some means that might have been successful in saving the perishing. But there is a deadly evil in our very land, which is sanctioned by law. Day after day, month after month, year after year, Satan's death-traps are set in our communities, at our doors, at the street corners, everywhere that it is possible to catch souls, that their moral power may be destroyed, and the image of God obliterated, and that they may be sunken in degradation far below the level of the brute. Souls are imperilled and perishing, and where is the active energy, the determined effort on the part of Christians to raise a warning signal, to enlighten their fellow-men, to save their perishing brothers? We are not talking of methods to save those who are dead and lost, but we desire to move upon those who are not yet beyond the reach of sympathy and help. We would present to these souls, who are guilty and polluted, the truth that the blood of Jesus Christ cleanseth from all sin. {PH132 4.3}


Shall souls always have to struggle for the victory, with the dens of temptation open before their very faces? Shall Satan always find agents to tempt those who are weak in moral power? Drawn into these dens of evil, shall he who has resolved to quit drink, be led to seize the glass again, and in the first sip of the intoxicant, put to his lips by the liquor-dealer, find every good resolution overpowered and gone? One taste of the maddening draught, and all thought of the suffering, heart-crushed wife has vanished. The debauched father cares no more that his children are hungry and naked. The law, by legalizing the liquor traffic, gives its sanction to the downfall of the soul, and refuses to stop the traffic that floods the land with evil. Let law-makers consider whether or not all this imperilling of human life, of physical power and mental vigour, is unavoidable. {PH132 5.1}


How many frightful accidents occur through the influence of drink. Some one at an important post fails to give the right signal, or sends an incorrect message, and on come the trains. There is a collision, and hundreds of lives are lost. When the matter is investigated, it is found that the man at the post was drunk.

A steamer at sea meets with disaster, and when the matter is traced to its source, it is found that the engineer was drunk, or that the captain had taken too much liquor at supper. What is the portion of this terrible intoxicant that any man in responsible position can afford to take, and be safe with the lives of human beings? He can be safe only as he totally abstains from drink. He should not have his mind confused with drink. No intoxicant should pass the lips; then if disaster comes, men in responsible places can do their best, and meet their record with satisfaction, whatever may be the issue. {PH132 5.2}
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Johann

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Re: Where is the harm in liquor or drinking..?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 08:46:49 PM »

Should we ever vote for a candidate who uses liquor? Do you ever ask that question? Why not?
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Re: Where is the harm in liquor or drinking..?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 10:06:34 PM »

Should we ever vote for a candidate who uses liquor? Do you ever ask that question? Why not?

I'd suggest that it would be difficult to find a politician who didn't drink at all. Mind you, I might  be wrong and there could be the occasional one, but I reckon they'd  be in the minority.
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Re: Where is the harm in liquor or drinking..?
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2008, 07:04:52 AM »

Should we ever vote for a candidate who uses liquor? Do you ever ask that question? Why not?

What about one that commits adultery with a intern, we really have to apply these things to who we vote for.......
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Re: Where is the harm in liquor or drinking..?
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2008, 07:29:29 AM »

It seems to me like Ellen White has stated something like it being safer to vote for candidates who advocate temperance. This could have applied to a certain instance.  Some years back when I functioned as a Conference temperance director a General Conference Temperance Director asked me to find politicians in our country who supported temperance. When he came to my field we visited those politicians together, supporting them in their temperance endeavors.
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Re: Where is the harm in liquor or drinking..?
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 02:12:38 PM »

I saw a survey once taken among American SDA's and about 40 percent in the survey said they take the occassional drink of wine or beer.  That is pretty high IMO for an SDA.
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Re: Where is the harm in liquor or drinking..?
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2008, 06:06:41 PM »


The greatest responsible position in life is to the heads of the family. No greater devastation is seen anywhere than is caused by alcoholic consumption in the family. Loss of jobs, money, husband and wife breaking up, children going without, and abuse is high. 
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Re: Where is the harm in liquor or drinking..?
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2008, 10:53:18 PM »

Many of those adventists that do take the occasional alcholic drink are social drinkers. They drink at parties etc but do not drink on a regular basis. problem is that some drink to excess at those parties. There has been cases where one has made a fool of himself at the party. One Adventist doctor drank to much and ended up in bed with a fellow nurse he was not married to at his own house. That ended in divorse. Social drinking impairs the judgement just as much as any other time. It is best to stay away from alcohol entirely because of this fact.
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