Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Sweeper on April 12, 2009, 08:12:07 PM
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OK, I found these from my collection dating close to 5 years ago. So I wanted to share them. God bless her. :amen: :amen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMaGp1fT38 Take Time Out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNeXID-Vm0Q This Year
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJcokIUXpug I Will Not Let You Go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n0JckM8LnA Take The Higher Road
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That was very nice sweeper.
Welcome to Advent Talk! I hope you enjoy your time here. :)
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Praise God!
Linda, you have touched me, and I have grown. Thank you for this blessing I am receiving as I type. :praying: :wave:
Thank you Sweeper! What a great Welcome! :TY:
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Sonshineonme and Fran thanks for the welcome. Glory be to God.
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I am watching and listening to one of these right now. :)
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What a wonderful tribute to the beauty and talented Linda.....Thank you so much for sharing this with us.............God has truly blessed her and it clear...that "By their fruits ye will know them" Linda is such a blessing to me.............and I truly miss her........... :TY: for sharing this.........
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Why are the tears running down my cheeks?, as I listen. We have been there as all songs suggests. I guess you all can surmise, that the Inspiration, hope that spills out the heart of Linda to our personal trials have been lifted coming from Inspiration as no other can from the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that was blessed on LInda to give.
Thank you for putting this on and lighting our way today. I know Inspiration when it is there.
Tinka
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Well, she has a lovely voice. I had not heard her sing before, Danny either. so I looked him up. Both are fair to midland. God bless them!
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Our daughter has her doctorate in music and voice. It means nothing! if you cannot sing with inspiration "given" and portray it to others without bring all recognition to ones self with all the emotional gyrations of hands and eyes to get ones attention to the singer you got the wrong message. Emotions is not a theory to build on. But inspiration on honest melody is. A good SS teacher would know that!!! I was feeling the Inspiration of the words and melody put across in the most honest way. Believe it or not! I see a lot of SDA singers are resorting to that and when they do I usually do not listen. We have been into music all our lives and i know when the wrong motive is live. Emotions are wrong in voting toooooo.
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Uh, Tinka, just for clarifiaction, are you repsonding to my post? I ask because, mine was merely an observation of someone who had never heard with Linda or Danny sing before yesterday. Not a disagreement with anyone else's repsonse to the inspiration of the song. I actually liked the songs, and was impressed with the videos.
And what does voting have to do with anything? This thread is about Sweeper sharing some videos of Linda that he/she also found inspirational and wished to share that with others. I listened and gave my response like everyone else. I believe you have some issues with me of which I am not aware. I sense some animosity in your reponses to me. If you would like to PM me we can discuss, and maybe resolve any perceived issues. I am a strong believere that we can disagree without being disagreeable, especially as christians. What do you think?
Our daughter has her doctorate in music and voice. It means nothing! if you cannot sing with inspiration "given" and portray it to others without bring all recognition to ones self with all the emotional gyrations of hands and eyes to get ones attention to the singer you got the wrong message. Emotions is not a theory to build on. But inspiration on honest melody is. A good SS teacher would know that!!! I was feeling the Inspiration of the words and melody put across in the most honest way. Believe it or not! I see a lot of SDA singers are resorting to that and when they do I usually do not listen. We have been into music all our lives and i know when the wrong motive is live. Emotions are wrong in voting toooooo.
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Uh, Tinka, just for clarifiaction, are you repsonding to my post? I ask because, mine was merely an observation of someone who had never heard with Linda or Danny sing before yesterday. Not a disagreement with anyone else's repsonse to the inspiration of the song. I actually liked the songs, and was impressed with the videos.
And what does voting have to do with anything? This thread is about Sweeper sharing some videos of Linda that he/she also found inspirational and wished to share that with others. I listened and gave my response like everyone else. I believe you have some issues with me of which I am not aware. I sense some animosity in your reponses to me. If you would like to PM me we can discuss, and maybe resolve any perceived issues. I am a strong believere that we can disagree without being disagreeable, especially as christians. What do you think?
Our daughter has her doctorate in music and voice. It means nothing! if you cannot sing with inspiration "given" and portray it to others without bring all recognition to ones self with all the emotional gyrations of hands and eyes to get ones attention to the singer you got the wrong message. Emotions is not a theory to build on. But inspiration on honest melody is. A good SS teacher would know that!!! I was feeling the Inspiration of the words and melody put across in the most honest way. Believe it or not! I see a lot of SDA singers are resorting to that and when they do I usually do not listen. We have been into music all our lives and i know when the wrong motive is live. Emotions are wrong in voting toooooo.
Now this is one interesting post. You mean you never heard LS sing before? You never watched 3abn before? How have you arrived at such opinions concerning them? I could not understand anyone saying, ahh, so, so . I do realize that people if not inspired one way depend on big emotional out put by the singer to arouse emotion another. I merely was stating in round about way that emotions from music, leaders, theories, of ones own preferences to decide likes and dislikes is a real fooler to the real Inspirational gift to help others. For instance, and probably should not open such weakness as example on myself is this. The most beautiful created male tones and emotions that are brought out to leveling my inner most love emotions is brought on by Pavorotti. I completely fall then realize it is the wrong man for me although he draws me. I simply have to reluctantly shut it off. It brings too many false or leading away from my honest for real inner emotions. Real Inspiration that brings you to straight to the Heart with Christ is rare presented by the singer.
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No, I had never heard either sing before, and I only watched 3ABN a few times for only a few minutes since Linda left, and i became aware that you can access them online. The network has never been part of our cable then satellite packages. I followed the linkin this thread to Linda's videos and then looked for Danny on YouTubbe(so I could killtwo birds with one stone), and heard him singing a song with one of his most darling granddaughters. She was simply adorable. What I heard from both of them was alright.
Tinka here is the thing. It doesn't have to do for me what it does for you. We are two different people, with two different testimonies, as it were. Soemthings will touch us both, others will touch one or the other. That is all good, it is allowed. This is one instance in which we don't even have to disagree, just understand and appreciate the movement of the Holy Spirit in someone's life through song. That is beautiful to me. Music is very much relative to one's taste and preferences, like food, colors, flowers, clothes.
BTW, I reaaly like Pavorotti my self. Watched one of those pledge week concerts with The Three Tenors(Spanish singers Plácido Domingo and José Carreras and the Italian singer Luciano Pavarotti)....It was beautiful! I love listening to them, and many others of other genres.
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Princessdi,
I can't speak for Tinka but she may be feeling somewhat as I do about music. A person may sing like a lark but I certainly can make a difference to me whether I know the singer really means what he/she is singing. And there again the singer may absolutely mean what they are singing but be fooling themself that they are living what they are singing. Anyone can sear his/her conscience. That means Danny, Linda, me, you-anyone.
And if Pavorotti or anyone was stirring feelings in me toward him that belong only to my husband I guess it would be having a wrong effect. Anyway, my taste doesn't run to opera at all. Never did. Doesn't turn me on. Used to like to hear Danny/Linda sing but that was when I bought into the whole "miracle story". Since then I have seen too many things that were presented as miracles that didn't pan out and weren't so miraculous. In fact things that seemed just a little bit on the shady side to me. (not based on interet "gossip" just on observation)
But I hear what you are saying. Always enjoy hearing your thoughts.
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Does anyone know whether that is Linda's daughter with her on "Take the Higher Road"?
Thanks for the links....the songs did bring tears to my eyes.
:amen:
Blessings,
Maggie C.
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Childoftheking
(Laugh) If I could understand the words I probably would not even listen. but I have a keen ear on melody and harmony. The male tones of Pavoratti, is so uniquely masculine and romantic to hit my button. I listen to some Bochelli, the new and younger blind Italian singer. He is good but still not the tone of the Pavoratti. My daughter did the opera to get her degree in 5 languages but only does mostly Christian. She did do one cd whith her husband on some really old time music for her grandma and me. I just call it happy music. But in her gardens while working outside she has speakers to the outside of her house and when she plays the opera even the birds come to sing. so I know for sure that melody is attractive to birds and they don't care what the words are. But back to the opera, and what people have to do to be in it and mostly what horrible stories that the opera demands of ones life to portray in acts and singing and going to the concerts takes all ones being to be in that position to be the best in all the world. The only thing I can imagine from it is the melody of sound Created of God in his gift of music. I hope beyond that I can just hear that Heavenly music that will be beyond all melody heard.
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Oh yes, most definitely! One singing testimony is most powereful! Not sure if I could stand not singing like a lark, I am most sesitive to of, sharp and flat note, being musically trained on piano(very early in life) and in a recording choir for many years. However, I do know that whenever someone sings for God, somebody will be touched, but if that song comes out of their own experience, there is hardly a person in earshot that is not touched.
Princessdi,
I can't speak for Tinka but she may be feeling somewhat as I do about music. A person may sing like a lark but I certainly can make a difference to me whether I know the singer really means what he/she is singing. And there again the singer may absolutely mean what they are singing but be fooling themself that they are living what they are singing. Anyone can sear his/her conscience. That means Danny, Linda, me, you-anyone.
And if Pavorotti or anyone was stirring feelings in me toward him that belong only to my husband I guess it would be having a wrong effect. Anyway, my taste doesn't run to opera at all. Never did. Doesn't turn me on. Used to like to hear Danny/Linda sing but that was when I bought into the whole "miracle story". Since then I have seen too many things that were presented as miracles that didn't pan out and weren't so miraculous. In fact things that seemed just a little bit on the shady side to me. (not based on interet "gossip" just on observation)
But I hear what you are saying. Always enjoy hearing your thoughts.
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Alyssa walks with her mother from the house. The snapshots Linda is looking at are of Nathan and Alyssa when they were small children.
Posting those links seem like an answer to prayers.
Princessdi,
I can't speak for Tinka but she may be feeling somewhat as I do about music. A person may sing like a lark but I certainly can make a difference to me whether I know the singer really means what he/she is singing. And there again the singer may absolutely mean what they are singing but be fooling themself that they are living what they are singing. Anyone can sear his/her conscience. That means Danny, Linda, me, you-anyone.
And if Pavorotti or anyone was stirring feelings in me toward him that belong only to my husband I guess it would be having a wrong effect. Anyway, my taste doesn't run to opera at all. Never did. Doesn't turn me on. Used to like to hear Danny/Linda sing but that was when I bought into the whole "miracle story". Since then I have seen too many things that were presented as miracles that didn't pan out and weren't so miraculous. In fact things that seemed just a little bit on the shady side to me. (not based on interet "gossip" just on observation)
But I hear what you are saying. Always enjoy hearing your thoughts.
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" ALL MUSIC SHOULD BE TO THE GLORY OF GOD" Johann Sebastion Bach
Averred by Gailon Arthur Joy
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I believe Linda will bring joy and blessings to many as she preaches her Sabbath Sermon today
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I agree!! She has three great messages planned for this weekend.
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Where can we find Linda's schedule? I haven't checked in a week, but her website hasn't been updated since Jan. 2008
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Linda doesn't post her schedule for obvious reasons.
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Linda spoke at a women's ministry retreat in Washington recently.
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WA State or WA DC?
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WA State or WA DC?
WA State
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Well, this is the same state that banned Trust fund for a year, or until they put the money back into the required to cover the trust funds. I don't have the exact totals on hand, but it was a sum of + $13,000,000 (Million). However, 3ABN had only $ + 7,000,000 (Million), Oops, there is $ + 6,000,000 (Million) missing in the account.
I believe this is part of the trust funds 3ABN was "Borrowing" from. That was one state! I wonder what the toll is in each of the other states. It appears Washington is making wiser decisions about who they trust! They definitely are siding with Linda as I see it.
If I were making the decisions, Linda would be at all women's retreats! If it were up to me I might ask Linda and Cinda to come; however nix Brenda! A lot has been revealed in these years.
I believe I started telling as many people as possible about the Trust Fund problems at 3ABN in 2004. Because of the documents revealing these irregularities, I also reported them to the IRS because of the Trust Funds and the eBay sales from 1998-2002. You know, those sales that do not exist? I finally figured out where they were! Without a doubt, 3ABN went global selling items in the US. I have even revealed where the sales were located at eBay. New information re-affirms that I was right.
Would I choose Linda to preach and do seminars? You bet your bottom dollar I would! She has revealed who her leader is. She follows the Savior! I also know who controls all of this other evil going on under the leadership of Danny Shelton.
Many times Danny has been compared to Moses and David. Moses did not get to go into the promised land! David was not allowed to build the temple, lost his son, his kids were very corrupt! David got to see all of this before he died. David is in that grave to this day. Moses did get to go to heaven because he repented and was forgiven. David's continued sins kept him in his grave after a horrible life. Well he did get Bathsheba. That is something I guess. However, she was not God's choice for his life. God just had to deal with him in other ways. He had the plans but it was given to another. So I believe it is time for Danny to retire and turn the operation over to a true man of God. One that will be able to go into the promised land and build God's temple. A man not a killer, adulterous person such as Moses and David were. (Moses killed, but was he an adulterous man? Could this be why God took him? Far too deep for me.)
Well, off my soap box for now, I am back to my lurking mode.
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You make a good point, Fran. I agree with you ~ if it were up to me, I would also have Linda at all women's retreats. There are so many abused women that need encouragement & help in "reading the red flags" around them that are hard to see when a person is in the midst of a troubled marriage. Linda has a sweet and caring way about her that leads people to their Lord and Saviour!
I am working with my pastor to have her come as a guest speaker and I hope that there are others of you that will encourage your pastors to let Linda preach at the 11:00 O'Clock hour in your church. Her message of hope is needed for each of us!!! If you need her contact information, you may send me a PM. God bless you!!
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I found these comments on *******. It seems to be that the Danny defenders aren't the ones moving on. When I see Danny in the spotlight again, I wish that he would tell us that he has repented and that is why he is moving on. Danny and his defenders are still trying to intimidate and hurt Linda. So sad.:(
"by Sunny on Sun May 31, 2009 5:44 am UTC Has Linda repented? That is all I can think of when I saw her and her Doctor friend sitting at the 3abn campmeeting. She must be there to ask forgiveness for all the lies and damage that she has done to 3abn through her spokespeople. If that isn't why she was there that would leave only one other alternative. She was there to disrupt by her presence. But, surely not when her supporters say she has taken the "high road" and "just wants to get on with her life." I have a few other thoughts on the subject.
1. Didn't she realize that she was incriminating herself by showing up with the doctor when she claims they had no relationship?
2. Didn't she realize that those people that were at campmeeting have already made up their minds who and what they want to support?
If she was looking to disrupt by getting attention, she certainly misjudged the situation. With well over a thousand people there about 4 or 5 came up and talked to her. It's been 5 years...everyone else has moved on..why can't she?
"by Echo on Sun May 31, 2009 8:54 pm UTC
Stan wrote:
Glad to see that she is back there with her friend.
Stan... Why in the world would you be "Glad" that LS is back there with her friend when it is obviously not to mend fences but to disrupt? Those who attended the 3abn campmeeting were likely doing so to get a blessing, not to be a part of some stupid soap opera episode.Echo "
Edited to remove reference to ...ian's website.
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I am so proud of her! She is free to go where she pleases and with whom she pleases. She is single and can be with anybody! Why shouldn't she show up with the doctor? She did not commit adultery, Danny did!
She is not a liar, Danny is! She did not steal 3ABN blind! Danny did.
She has not said a bad thing about 3ABN! Yet, Danny has trashed her to bits! God has protected her.
Linda did nothing to 3ABN! Danny did it all by his own self!
Linda,
You go girl!
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So did any of these Danny Defenders mention that Linda was there with Arild AND Johann? If not, why not? More attempts at slander?
Sunny doesn't sound that bright to think that Linda appearing at 3ABN Camp Meeting with Arild and Johann means she had a relationship with Arild 5 years ago. But if we use that logic, then if Danny appeared at the same camp meeting with Brandy, it would prove that he also had a relationship with her 5 years ago, BEFORE the divorce.
But what can we expect from folks who seem to think that Linda's talking on the telephone was a worse sin than Tommy's alleged child molestation.
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Oh, I am so sorry I did not go! I would have loved to see all three and give them the welcome they deserve!
I don't usually go to the smut sight, but I did and posted! I will probably be deleted!
I am so proud of them. Back they went to face their false accusers! I am surprised they did not get banned by the local Danny patrol!
I would have loved to see what Brenda did! She is the one that should be hiding her head with Danny and Walt plus others!
Did anybody get a picture?
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Surely if Linda and the doctor had a 'relationship' beyond friendship they would have taken things a few steps
further way before this - technically I think both would be free to do so.
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Fran, I was just to the "other site" and saw that what you wrote was deleted. :oops: Maybe you could post the "garbage" here so we can see what they can't allow others to see.
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So, Sunny says "4 or 5" people came up and talked to Linda? How many would be willing to guess that this is most likely a gross understatement?
Also, I wonder how Linda "incriminated" herself by showing up with the doctor? What crime did she commit?
Why did it upset so many that Linda was there to start with? If there were "well over a thousand" there, why did 3 people create such unrest? It appears that certain attendees were focused on other people rather than God.
But....these are just observations. ;)
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DC,
That number has been corroborated by four other individuals. They are all referencing her contacts within the facility itself. If she made contacts outside the 3ABN property is not known. Might she have staked out a watch post in an area hotel where she could ambush attendees to the Campmeeting, it is reasonably possible, though no one has made that accusation.
It is interesting to note, in regards to your second question, more than once while attending two of the weekends services, Dr. Abrahamson (sp?) was observed sitting next to Linda, but then moving one seat away from her. There was no obvious reason for such an action so one is left to draw their own conclusions. Did he move because he realized that his actions belied his claims in regards to an inappropriate relationship with Linda? Possibly, but no one, save himself, knows for sure.
Your third question evidences your own bias. You ask, "[] why did 3 people create such unrest?" I don't think you are naive, nor lacking in intellectual capabilities, rather you approach this situation for a hyper-emotional point of view. I wonder if you would ask the same question if the scenario had been the appearance of three gang members at the funeral of a member of a rival gang whom they had killed in a drive by shooting.
The answer to your question is obvious. Linda, arguably, could be the source of origin for the accusations made publicly by the GAJ/RP Consortium. Even if she is not, she held the influence necessary to put their endeavors on ice. Additionally, if she did attempt to put a stop to their efforts, and they refused, she still had a moral obligation to distance herself from their work, and she did not. Their direct connection to the efforts (Johann's being the most public via his postings) to vilify 3ABN, Danny Shelton, the Board of Directors, and numerous other dedicated Christians involved in the work of God automatically makes them a disruptive presence at 3ABN Campmeeting. I truly do not believe that truth is lost on you.
Your last statement is curious. You wonder why the presence of these three individuals would be disruptive and then you appear to answer your own question. They drew peoples attention away from the messages being shared with the attendees and to themselves. In essence, they knew all eyes would be on them. This calls into question their motives. They are intelligent, they knew what the result would be, so why would they intentionally take action that would draw minds and hearts away from the message of God's love?
anyman
So, Sunny says "4 or 5" people came up and talked to Linda? How many would be willing to guess that this is most likely a gross understatement?
Also, I wonder how Linda "incriminated" herself by showing up with the doctor? What crime did she commit?
Why did it upset so many that Linda was there to start with? If there were "well over a thousand" there, why did 3 people create such unrest? It appears that certain attendees were focused on other people rather than God.
But....these are just observations. ;)
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anyman,
It might be good for the people to get used to seeing Linda again as she would be the better take over as DS and Brandy crumble in their bread ($$).
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It is interesting to note, in regards to your second question, more than once while attending two of the weekends services, Dr. Abrahamson (sp?) was observed sitting next to Linda, but then moving one seat away from her. There was no obvious reason for such an action so one is left to draw their own conclusions. Did he move because he realized that his actions belied his claims in regards to an inappropriate relationship with Linda? Possibly, but no one, save himself, knows for sure.
So based on that logic, I guess I have had an "inappropriate relationship"...??... with any man I have ever sat next to in church...??...??? Or is that actually considered "spiritual adultery"?? Hey - maybe that is what "spiritual adultery" really is!! It means sitting next to a member of the opposite sex in church!!
Uh-oh.
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When a person has been publicly humilated it is often healing to return to the scene of one's trauma. Just to be able to return with one's head up, facing those who caused his or her pain and forgiving them can do much to help one deal with post traumatic stress. (as in Corrie TenBoom's book) Obviously Linda did not try to make an uproar. Why in the world are the worst possible motives always attributed to her when her actions do not bear that out. Reminds me of the paranoia of the Jim Jones, Jonestown minset.
And why do they always think she can control everyone else's actions. She can't control mine. My focus for one has always been just to determine the truth. If the facts and documentation had borne out the accusations against her, believe me I would have posted it.
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anyman, someone in Florida told me that the rumor was that Walt Thompson's son was let go for an inappropriate relationship, though they also said they weren't sure because kids will talk and don't always get their facts straight.
Now if Walt Thompson's son's conduct has always been stellar and beyond reproach, then I might more easily buy into the idea that anyman is truly concerned about the impropriety of two people sitting next to each other around four years after Danny allegedly gave Linda grounds for remarriage after he allegedly engaged in OS outside of wedlock.
Maybe that's another reason why Danny wanted the lawsuit dismissed, come to think of it. Would he really want Pickle pro se asking him questions about OS on the witness stand? Not that I would want to do that. But he did put the general topic into the lawsuit.
Let's get the facts straight: Danny's failure to deny the OS allegations suggests that Danny around four years ago gave Linda the moral right to sit next to any man she chose to sit next to.
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If this was a public meeting where the public was invited and all there are claiming to be God's children who love everyone then why would only 3 or 4 people speak to her. Was that showing the real character of those attending and those who were in charge?
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Since they were being watched so closely perhaps they were afraid of being fired or their reputations trashed if they greeted Linda. Not that that sort of thing has happened before of course.
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If this was a public meeting where the public was invited and all there are claiming to be God's children who love everyone then why would only 3 or 4 people speak to her. Was that showing the real character of those attending and those who were in charge?
I was think the same thing, GRAT, but I couldn't articulate it as well as you did.
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The True character of all of 3ABN was showing!
Where was forgiveness? Danny and Brandy and the board should have greeted them with open arms! They should have invited Linda to sing! Danny was sheltered and allowed to be the true adulterer in this situation. He was allowed to be on TV and never repent!
Linda came with greetings to members there. Where was 3ABN with their forgiveness. Linda did not cause all this mess! Danny did!
3ABN is not Gods vessel of forgiveness at all! Never has been! They are still breaking people, not healing for sure. They showed me they lack true Christianity. I truly see them being downright evil!
May God use his power to continue to reveal the hatred and evilness of 3ABN, Danny, Brandy and Danny's followers!
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The Bible teaches us about the prodigal son. One son left home and took money with him. Years passed and he decided to come home. The father killed the fatted calf and had a big feist! He celebrated the return of His son.
Why wasn't Linda, the doctor, and Johann accepted with open arms? Did they have a celebration? No, all they can do after 5 years is still spread hate and lies! I am so disgusted it is unread!
This is like stabbing me on the heart because I am undone buy the courage of all three of them. They are exhibits of Christ! Linda, Johann, and the doctor have broken my heart with love for their fellow man. I praise God he accepts them as they are, and knows they are innocent of any wrong doing what so ever! They are the true example of my Jesus. :amen:
Then there is 3ABN. Out to save a dying world! NOT! They are too worried about who sat by whom for how long.
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For several days I have not had access to the Internet. I find it interesting now to find an account of our visit to the 3ABN Camp meeting. It is not surprising that some of the information given is not accurate. Who would expect truthfulness from those quarters?
Dr. Walter Thompson came to us twice and told us we were welcome, and he even added the second time that we were always welcome. So we may come back less than 5 years form now. He also wanted to know if we had any special reason to be there. We told him it was now five years since we had been at a 3ABN Camp Meeting, and that we had returned to "celebrate".
Walt admitted that 3ABN had encountered serious difficulties. We told him that such a ministry will meet difficulties as long as they spread falsehood, because the Lord cannot add His blessings to such untruthfulness. I told Walt that I know the Lord will some day show him what honesty is.
Anyman tries to inform you how many people spoke to Linda. Was he watching us all the time? I can tell you that we were watching Danny Shelton for quite a while, and would you believe it that more than twice as many people came to talk to Linda during that time than those who wanted to talk to Danny.
Linda and I ran into Pastor John Lomacang as well. Soon after his wife joined us. I reminded them I had been at 3ABN when they first arrived, and I had thought of them as such a nice couple, until. . . They remembered our first meeting, and Mrs. Lomacang tried to assure us they still were a nice couöle. John said something about things being very complicated. He seemed so disturbed he wanted to disappear, but his wife insisted on staying and hearing more. It was such a surprise to her that Linda had never been given the opportunity to defend herself against all the false accusations leveled at her, neither by the board nor the church. She wanted to know why? Linda told her how Danny had ordered her to stay away because it would be of no use to her, since they had all the answers anyhow. This was too much for John, and he finally managed to get his wife away so she would not be exposed to more. Truth can hurt when it hits in a sore spot.
Quite enlightening!!!
Linda warned one of those who wanted to talk to her that Mollie was watching intently, so it might endanger her employment. But that did not deter this person from wanting to talk to Linda.
It was encouraging meeeting people right there at the 3ABN Camp Meeting who had watched the whole drama right from the beginning, people who stated that the speed with which Linda was expelled with what looked like vengeance, showed clearly that someone had an agenda against her which was not honorable.
On my way home I was pondering why some of those people in high positions had so long been telling lies. The words of another wife to someone still in a high position at 3ABN were ringing in my ear. In spite of the welcome by Walt she said clearly and loudly that Linda with all of her lies was not welcome. What lies? Has any of them ever been able to point out a single lie that Linda has uttered? Thus far I have never had them point at anything she has said that is not true, nor have they succeeded in proving it.
Is there an excuse? Yes there is, provided you have a greater belief in expediency than in following the example and teachings of Jesus Christ. Those who tell the truth may loose what they like to keep.
John Lomacang might well have lost his job if he had stuck to the truth rather than defending his boss.
Dr. Walter Thompson might not be the chairman of the board now if he had not defended his president.
Millions have lost their lives because the Words of Christ meant more to them than following their church leaders. Scripture refers to the time we are approaching as the time of trouble. It tells us that there might well be trouble in ministries we have loved and admired. Do we worship God or the ministries?
Some might still be hiding. It was dark outside when we went to the car. Suddenly I heard a voice out of the darkness, but did I hear right? Then it was repeated: "Johann!" It was a clear call. I looked into the shadow and as my eyes got used to the dark I saw a whole family standing there. There was one of those men I had not always agreed with while I was working for 3ABN, but I know he was a kind man. I know he has devoted his whole life, his knowledge, his energy, to what he believed was a true ministry, and which is still proclaiming a great deal of the Advent Message for today. There we stood and embraced each other in the dark. The father, the mother, and then also the children.
- You want to see Linda too, don't you? Yes, they sure did, and so they moved in the darkness to the car where Linda was, and each of them embraced Linda whom they had not talked to for more than five years. Just like Nicodemus they came out in the dark. That whole family escaped the count of the reporter cited elsewhere.
Are you still asking if the visit to the 3ABN Camp Meeting five years later was worth the trouble? Thank God, it was!
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Thank you Johann for your view of the visit. :goodpost: I guess what bothered me was the crowing about how unwelcoming "all but 3 or 4 people" were. Should have known that that was not the whole truth or even part truth. Glad to know that there were people there who were honestly seeking God's will.
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Thank you, Johann, for that report. I have a huge amount of respect for what you all did!
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Johann;
Your version lifts my heart! So I would guess that there are many that have no clue what really happened! I am so proud of the three of you! You are a true man of God!
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It was an amazing encounter! I understood one of those who ventured meeting Linda admit she was one of very few in her local church who believed Linda got expelled for a reason. That changed when she met Linda. Now she was going back home rejoicing with the whole church in the knowledge Linda is innocent of the false accusations. Now she wants to tell the whole world of her discovery. She rejoiced in her discovery and thanked God she'd come to Camp Meeting to learn the truth was the opposite of what she'd thought until now. I pointed out to this lady that God does not fail, it is only man who fails. It was worth our trip to see how this lady now rejoices in the Lord.
Thank you Johann for your view of the visit. :goodpost: I guess what bothered me was the crowing about how unwelcoming "all but 3 or 4 people" were. Should have known that that was not the whole truth or even part truth. Glad to know that there were people there who were honestly seeking God's will.
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Thank you, Fran. We have all reason to rejoice in the Lord and thank Him for His goodness, even though none of us really deserve it.
Johann;
Your version lifts my heart! So I would guess that there are many that have no clue what really happened! I am so proud of the three of you! You are a true man of God!
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Thats all good to hear, Johann. Sometimes it is therapeutic for a person who has experienced a bad trauma to go back to the scene of it and put it into a perspective that diminishes its impact. It sounds like this was one of those experiences. I'm glad you were there too.
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Here is a response I received from a friend in Oregon, who also gave me permission to post it:
Dear Johann: Once a "culture" of deceit has been laid down, those involved in the culture tend to hold fast to a style that tolerates and in fact encourages deception. Have you noticed in your long life how this happens?
That's why it's absolutely imperative that in our Christian walk, we stand for the truth, though in the short term it may hurt us personally. In the longer haul, honestly will set a standard that the earnest people, including our children, will try to match or surpass. If we can encourage such behavior, we surely give a wonderful gift to our church and God.
We are all watching and praying that the culture that 3ABN has tolerated and at times encouraged will be replaced by something better and more Christ-like.
E. S.
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Talking to some people in that hall told me you might be right. I was told by one individual that he was so set on being neutral that he did not want to hear any rumors from Linda. Linda was standiing there next to us. He was afrraid that if he heard anything from her it would be impossible for him to be "neutral".
This reminds me of a book I received the other day as a token of appreciation by our local conference because I still preach in our churches 10 years after my retirement. The title of that book is, The Apocalyptic Vision and the Neutering of Adventism. Are we erasing our relevancy?
A neutral stand could be the greatest danger of Adventism today. Is this the danger of 3ABN too?
Since they were being watched so closely perhaps they were afraid of being fired or their reputations trashed if they greeted Linda. Not that that sort of thing has happened before of course.
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Now that I have read both versions, I am inclined to go with what Johann posted here over the other version I have read from the "other side" so to speak.
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Talking to some people in that hall told me you might be right. I was told by one individual that he was so set on being neutral that he did not want to hear any rumors from Linda. Linda was standiing there next to us. He was afrraid that if he heard anything from her it would be impossible for him to be "neutral".
This reminds me of a book I received the other day as a token of appreciation by our local conference because I still preach in our churches 10 years after my retirement. The title of that book is, The Apocalyptic Vision and the Neutering of Adventism. Are we erasing our relevancy?
A neutral stand could be the greatest danger of Adventism today. Is this the danger of 3ABN too?
I hardly think "neutral" is a word most would use to describe 3ABN , it's programming, teachings or supporters...
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I wish it didn't always have to be all about Linda, Johann.
I didn't get to attend this spring, and I don't know what you were all three celebrating, but I would have preferred to have heard about the ten commandments mesages and the music. I would have loved to read here about how you all went there to worship and about the blessings you received and what the holy spirit emphasized or taught you during those programs, and about the fellowship together about that.
Maybe that's just me.
But I do think we all sometimes need to be reminded of what is most important:
The heart of worship (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeAwBmb_x28&feature=PlayList&p=B9ABFC7393ED4906&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12)
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A "ministry" that did what they did to LS, and it was done publicly, has NOTHING to say about the Ten Commandments or anything else that I want to hear except "We were wrong" and give a very public confession and apology.
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I wish it didn't always have to be all about Linda, Johann.
Perhaps you should address that to your buddy "Sunny" at the smut site as she is the one who "broke the news" of the campmeeting guests...
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Why can't we call that site "the other site" rather than "the smut site'?
Calling it "the smut site" sounds so gross and unchristian to me.
And Snoopy, for the record, unless you are posting as an admin, which should be clearly labelled so as to not cause any confusion, I am posting to you as a member to a member, not as a member to an admin.
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Why can't we call that site "the other site" rather than "the smut site'?
Calling it "the smut site" sounds so gross and unchristian to me.
And Snoopy, for the record, unless you are posting as an admin, which should be clearly labelled so as to not cause any confusion, I am posting to you as a member to a member, not as a member to an admin.
Why don't you call it what you want, as will I. There is enough garbage over there to start a landfill. However, I see that you have been an active contributor there, so perhaps that is the source of your sensitivity.
And Daryl, for the record, if I were posting as an admin it would have been perfectly clear to you. Thus, I am currently posting to you as a member. Now, for the difference...:
ADMIN HAT ON
Might I offer the suggestion that you refamiliarize yourself with the forum rules, which, by the way, HAVE changed since you were part of administration.
ADMIN HAT OFF
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Your third question evidences your own bias. You ask, "[] why did 3 people create such unrest?" I don't think you are naive, nor lacking in intellectual capabilities, rather you approach this situation for a hyper-emotional point of view. I wonder if you would ask the same question if the scenario had been the appearance of three gang members at the funeral of a member of a rival gang whom they had killed in a drive by shooting.
anyman
Well, there you are, Anyman, in all your PRESUMPTUOUS glory defining 3ABN as the center of Adventist Gangland....and who is the God FAther???? Danny Lee Shelton of course!!! And how many were packing nine irons???
By the way, WHO WAS SHOT??? Why the Godfather, of course.
And guess who shows up for the funeral??? Would you beleive the ex was there to check the pulse and make sure the corpse was really the God Father??? After all, she has a substantial interest in the ESTATE of the Godfather!!!
Most notably, it was nice of ANYMAN to so clearly define the character of the DANNY WORSHIPPING CROWD as ignorant shunning ex christians!!!
I thank you for the enlightenment and for confirming my deepest, darkest suspicions!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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One of the things I heard when we were there is that the majority of the present Camp Meeting visitors are new 3ABN viewers who do not know the past history of 3ABN, in particular the events of 2004. Could this be true?
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We just listened to a CD of Linda's on this Sabbath morning. What a blessing! It is too bad that those who listen to 3ABN don't have that privilege anymore.
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This means we need to get louder so new viewers will hear. In Texas we would say, "It's lime to head um up and head um out!" May the cattle drive begin sooner than later!
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Don't know if anyone has posted this yet but this is the first time I have seen it. This surely brought back some memories:
http://www.khba.com/raysofhope.html
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Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I downloaded it to share!
Linda is the REAL DEAL! She is so much more than a singer!
What a blessing she is to me! She was meant to be on TV "counteracting the counterfeit" and taking the "TRUE Gospel to the lost and dying world!" I Wish I could watch her instead of 3ABN the NOT channel!
I am so excited!
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Thanks so much for sharing! I didn't know it was out there. How refreshing to hear her voice and thoughts.
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(smile) How super! Refreshing and now It appears Hope channel is carrying this?? Was not sure if that is what is was saying. That will be the ultimate proof of where the people stand as they put LS on their listening and watching priorities. Hope channel would be wise to have her featured on programming.
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It may be only channel KHBA UHF Cahnnel 39 in Spokane that is carrying her Rays of Hope as a local production rather than Hope Channel but it looks like to me that KHBA carries 3ABN at 39.1 and Hope Channel at 39.2, just being accurate. Now how long will it be before 3ABN puts the pressure on them to drop her or have they already tried to pressure KHBA over it? Worth watching and if they do that should be documentable.
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Thanks for the link! As soon as I heard her voice again, it was like Instant Soothing to my soul!
All the best, Linda! :wave:
maggie
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNeXID-Vm0Q
I enjoyed this too, It probably has already been posted but for anyone who hasn't seen it. Linda Shelton sings "Take the Higher Road". Search for "Linda Shelton" and find also on youtube "Take Time Out" "I Will Not Let You Go" and "This Year".
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Today, Brenda Walsh came on 3ABN and I had to turn the TV off!
I went to Channel 39 at the link above. I clicked on the locally produced programming. I went and listened to all of Linda's Programs and downloaded them. What a Sabbath Day's blessing I received. You can tell by what she says that she is the real deal. Jesus shines through her all the way!
Along with Rays of Hope they produce Empowered! It was with Mabel Dunbar. I got those too! I had a wonderful Sabbath!
I went back to 3ABN when David Asscherick came on preaching about, guess what? DO NOT COMMIT ADUTERY.
It was powerful. I have to say that 3ABN was not listening at all! David spoke loud and clear enough for anyone to hear. It was part of a 10 Commandment program, but not this years. Mike Tucker had the adultery commandment this year. It was all watered down with tangents entirely away from the adultery commandment. Mike is not one to make waves anywhere! I was disgusted with his presentation.
Now David A said some really good things! He was so clear and descriptive as he always is. I had my grandson listen. I wanted him to hear that sex was invented by God and belongs only within a marriage. He hit on sexual deviants and all sorts of thing that equate adultery.
Then I thought about 3ABN's founder, adulterer, liar, and thief. Then I sort of got sick. When will the board act on what God is telling them? Board Members seem to be gutless with spineless back bones, as well as non-Christians!
The 3ABN's board are a lot like La Sierra's board in allowing evolution to be taught! Now 3ABN condemned them for teaching evolution. Yet 3ABN, allows adultery, theft, lies, character assassination, and allowed divorce and remarriage without Biblical grounds. They even participated in many of these acts. They stand on a pile of crap and condone all of it.
Must be a sickness! Really it is just evil.
What else can I say?
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They do it for the money as long as they can get a way with it. Many SDA feel what they do not know will not be held accountable.
It is sort of not looking at the ingredients and go ahead and eat it because it taste so good.
But low and behold they will be accountable not for all they did but what they did not do!!!!!
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Oh I like that, GJ!!!!
" ALL MUSIC SHOULD BE TO THE GLORY OF GOD" Johann Sebastion Bach
Averred by Gailon Arthur Joy
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When we entered a home one Sabbath afternoon recently they were watching 3ABN.
- There is some very good preaching here on 3ABN, said the husband who was watching the Cox program.
- But 3ABN has never approached the challenging and deeply spiritual programs you heard daily since what's her name left. What is her name? said the wife.
- Do you mean Linda Shelton?, I suggested.
- Right, it was Linda. She made the whole difference between 3ABN and the other channels we get. Do you know how she is now and what she is doing?
She was delighted to know that Linda is well, and is accepting preaching appointments as 3ABN seems not to make hindances on her way any more. I told her what happened at Gospel Outreach.
- Did they do that? That sure is not the Christian way to do things. How can they be preaching the Gospel?
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I have just received this notice from a friend at Walla Walla:
Linda Shelton will be here Oct. 25-27 for Sharathon fund raising with Dan Matthews in connection with Blue Mountain Television. Pray for success!
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I am happy to hear that 3ABN is no longer hindering Linda Shelton in her speaking appointments and, I assume, also her singing appointments.
Wouldn't be nice to see her on one of the music programs of Hope TV. I am thinking of one in particular, however, I can't think of the name of that one at the time of posting this.
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Wouldn't be nice to see her on one of the music programs of Hope TV. I am thinking of one in particular, however, I can't think of the name of that one at the time of posting this.
Would it be "My Story, My Song"? I'd LOVE to see her on there!
Blessings,
Maggie C.
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Yes, that's the one I was thinking of, and yes, it would be nice to see her on there. :thumbsup:
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Linda has a new message on her website. I wish her well.
http://www.lindashelton.org/
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I hadn't checked Linda's website for awhile, so thank you for letting us know about the update. God is in charge and He will make things right for Linda in His time.
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Harassment
You'd think things are settling down?
Not quite. Linda is still subject to continual harassment, and I wonder who is behind that?
Frequent visits by some "friendly" burglar who steals no valuables, only papers and documents and pictures. Damages furniture. Also destroys flowers in the garden etc.
Almost seems insane.
Now the police has started investigating and friends are helping by watching, jotting down license numbers of suspicious vehicles, etc. Setting hidden traps, etc. Soon they might discover who is doing it, or who is doing it for whom. Have any idea? In the beginning the police wasn't interested, because nothing valuable was stolen, but now they see it is getting serious having such things happening in the neighborhood.
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What pics or documents would be of any value five years later? I mean, if Danny's focus is still on his failed marriage to Linda, that maybe really saying something about why Brnady might be gone.......This just can't be........it is just too unreal.......makes absolutely no sense at all.
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Preaching
When Linda moved to Springfield about five years ago the local church received her with open arms, made her feel welcome and used her to sing, teach and preach. That was too much for 3ABN. They released John Stanton from his regular tasks at 3ABN and had the conference president place him as the new pastor in Springfield. John wasted no time before he visited the members telling them he had been asked by the president to curb the activities of Linda Shelton in the local church. I also heard him say that Linda was a liar.
Fortunately for Linda there is another Seventh-day Adventist church in Springfield under a different and friendlier conference, who welcomed Linda to fellowship with them, and I know she loves to be together with them. They sing together, and on a recent Sabbath Linda preached there to one of the loveliest audiences imaginable. I think there has developed great mutual love and understanding.
Now five years later John Stanton has left Springfield, and what is happening? "His" former church is no longer under his dominion, and now a group of families from that church are coming to Linda's home. Some of them now dare stating openly that they had never abandoned her in their hearts. So now they are again scheduling her to preach in their own church. What a change!!!
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Praise the Lord for that, Johann! There are some things Danny Shelton cannot control.
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Harassment
You'd think things are settling down?
Not quite. Linda is still subject to continual harassment, and I wonder who is behind that?
Frequent visits by some "friendly" burglar who steals no valuables, only papers and documents and pictures. Damages furniture. Also destroys flowers in the garden etc.
Almost seems insane.
Now the police has started investigating and friends are helping by watching, jotting down license numbers of suspicious vehicles, etc. Setting hidden traps, etc. Soon they might discover who is doing it, or who is doing it for whom. Have any idea? In the beginning the police wasn't interested, because nothing valuable was stolen, but now they see it is getting serious having such things happening in the neighborhood.
With all that has gone on for all this time, the above actions are proof of the charactistics of the 3abn agendas. Not surprising at all. Just a couple of things on the emails telling of DS actions lets one know that "he is off the wall". and how about Brenda???? Something still pretty fishy there. Maybe Brandy smelt the fish.