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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Adam on January 21, 2011, 04:39:13 PM
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Sources have told me that the law suit against Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN should be filed as early as next week. My understanding is this will be filed in Chicago, Illinois.
Jeff Anderson will lead the charge in the objective along with Sarah Odegaard. They will be working with the attorney's from Manly and Stewart of California; John C. Manly (head atty) Vince W. Finaldi, and Michael Reck.
Should be interesting.
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Intimate, huh? Sounds interesting!! Nothing better than a good, intimate lawsuit...
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Sources have told me that the law suit against Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN should be filed as early as next week. My understanding is this will be filed in Chicago, Illinois.
Jeff Anderson will lead the charge in the objective along with Sarah Odegaard. They will be working with the attorney's from Manly and Stewart of California; John C. Manly (head atty) Vince W. Finaldi, and Michael Reck.
Should be interesting.
Please keep us up to date. :australia:
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Snoopy, I have been told that a case of this multitude is un-precedented especially when you have attorney's of this multitude involved.
Who will 3ABN have on their side? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Danny Shelton have? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Tommy Shelton have? Greg Simpson?
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Sarah's last name seems to be Danish and means deserted farm, but not an uncommon name in Denmark.
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So, it is your understanding that the filing of an intimate lawsuit against an alleged pedophile is imminent?
Snoopy, I have been told that a case of this multitude is un-precedented especially when you have attorney's of this multitude involved.
Who will 3ABN have on their side? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Danny Shelton have? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Tommy Shelton have? Greg Simpson?
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So, it is your understanding that the filing of an intimate lawsuit against an alleged pedophile is imminent?
Snoopy, I have been told that a case of this multitude is un-precedented especially when you have attorney's of this multitude involved.
Who will 3ABN have on their side? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Danny Shelton have? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Tommy Shelton have? Greg Simpson?
Are you referring to the confessed pedophile, Tommy Shelton? Or, are you referring to someone else connected with 3ABN who is alleged to be a party to pedophilia?
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So, it is your understanding that the filing of an intimate lawsuit against an alleged pedophile is imminent?
Snoopy, I have been told that a case of this multitude is un-precedented especially when you have attorney's of this multitude involved.
Who will 3ABN have on their side? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Danny Shelton have? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Tommy Shelton have? Greg Simpson?
Are you referring to the confessed pedophile, Tommy Shelton? Or, are you referring to someone else connected with 3ABN who is alleged to be a party to pedophilia?
Snoopy, I would say yes it is. Also replying to SDAminister he is correct. In a civil suit the plea deal is admissible in court. Many are not aware of this; however, it is seen as an admission and can be entered into court whether or not the judge accepted the deal or not. So, I believe the term "alleged pedophile" is used wrong when speaking of him. I believe the term "confessed pedophile" is more appropriate. Especially in the eyes of the civil court.
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So, it is your understanding that the filing of an intimate lawsuit against an alleged pedophile is imminent?
Snoopy, I have been told that a case of this multitude is un-precedented especially when you have attorney's of this multitude involved.
Who will 3ABN have on their side? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Danny Shelton have? Greg Simpson alone? Who will Tommy Shelton have? Greg Simpson?
Are you referring to the confessed pedophile, Tommy Shelton? Or, are you referring to someone else connected with 3ABN who is alleged to be a party to pedophilia?
I was referring to any pedophile, alleged or otherwise, against whom apparently an intimate lawsuit is to be filed imminently, allegedly involving Tommy Shelton and possibly Danny Shelton and 3ABN, allegedly.
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Things have been said over on the other forum that are absolutely not true. I want to know how many people actually take what is said over there at it's face value? One certain person who is close to me has read over there and has recently asked me questions about their lies.
I'm just curious how many believe the trash posted over there?
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Things have been said over on the other forum that are absolutely not true. I want to know how many people actually take what is said over there at it's face value? One certain person who is close to me has read over there and has recently asked me questions about their lies.
I'm just curious how many believe the trash posted over there?
I don't go 'over there', so don't have any idea what is posted.
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FYI... The title of the un-edited OP was "Law suit is Intimate".
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Things have been said over on the other forum that are absolutely not true. I want to know how many people actually take what is said over there at it's face value? One certain person who is close to me has read over there and has recently asked me questions about their lies.
I'm just curious how many believe the trash posted over there?
That is what makes is a "smut site", Alex!! Remember the porn??
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You mean there is activity on the other site? Everytime I check they haven't posted in days......
Things have been said over on the other forum that are absolutely not true. I want to know how many people actually take what is said over there at it's face value? One certain person who is close to me has read over there and has recently asked me questions about their lies.
I'm just curious how many believe the trash posted over there?
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Actually a bit behind schedule...I thought it would most likely be mid January but timing is everything when developing a propagating a major claim for public consumption and notoriety!!!
We had a big win leaving nearly 30,000 foreclosures in the past three years reversable...and it came from the Mass Supreme Judicial Court, but was swaloowed by shootings in Phoenix. To develop several classes we will need to locate and mail questionnaires to thousands of victims for improper foreclosure procedures, in many cases by parties who did not own both the mortgage deed and/or the mortgage note. Yu[, just plain old contrived and fraudulent assignments to the benefit of servicers and trustees with no equitable interest and must disgorge foreclosure titles and thousands in fees for plaintiffs in the class. Good coverage would have made it easier to identify many victims but Phoenix buried it into a back-ground event.
Good media coverage is an essential element to brining out many new victims to joinder a complaint.
Wish you the best and I assume you will have to verify the complaint in the very near future. Make sure we get a copy to share with our little peice of the world and whomever I can convince to post and read the thing. this SHOULD finally be a solid basis for eliminating and permanently retiring Danny Lee Shelton, but don;t count on it!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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It appears that recent turn of events, may have pushed the filing date back a bit. However, these recent turn of event's are very positive for us, not so much for 3ABN and DS.
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Hi Alex,
Sounds like they might move to possible settlement. The way they been pouring it on at 3abn would be such a reproach or embarrassment to all their bragging talk if made public. I Hope for the best outcome for you.
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Hi Alex,
Sounds like they might move to possible settlement. The way they been pouring it on at 3abn would be such a reproach or embarrassment to all their bragging talk if made public. I Hope for the best outcome for you.
Just some suggestions, but....
"Perhaps" it would be better to not count on chickens before they hatch, or announce their arrival before they arrive?
"Perhaps" it would be good to consider all sides and scenarios, as in, maybe this all could clear or vindicate 3ABN as far as these allegations are concerned, in addition to considering or proposing that it will or could be an embarrasment, or reproach to them, or maybe find them at fault?
"Perhaps" and I do believe this, we should pray for ALL, and that it is the best outcome for ALL, not just one. Because, "Perhaps" God has a plan and knows all and the beggining and the end, and knows what is best for all? "Perhaps" we should pray for His will in Jesus name, rather than for our own or for him to bring our will about.
"Perhaps we should acknowledge that He is in control, and NOTHING happens without his permission, and give thanks to Him for all things according to His will, and give Him the glory in all, rather than focussing on or making it about someone else rather than ourselves, or casting the blame on the shortcomings or failures of man, or any earthly institution or office when we don't get our way, or things don't go as we think they should?
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"Perhaps" it would be good to consider all sides and scenarios, as in, maybe this all could clear or vindicate 3ABN as far as these allegations are concerned, in addition to considering or proposing that it will or could be an embarrasment, or reproach to them, or maybe find them at fault?
Perhaps you should get your head out of the sand. After all the evidence that has come out the last 4 years, for you to suggest such a thing is, how shall we put it, downright weird.
- What could ever happen that would vindicate Danny Shelton using a 3ABN phone on company time to try to silence Glenn Dryden?
- What could ever happen that would vindicate Mike Riva's sending that infamous letter to Dryden, saying that even if the actions did occur, the statute of limitations had run out, so shut up or we will sue you?
- What could ever happen that would vindicate Greg Simpson attempting to call documents from Dunn Loring confidential, as if Tommy's pedophilia is a trade secret of 3ABN?
- What could ever happen that would vindicate Walt Thompson's extreme negligence whereby he never contacted any of Tommy's alleged victims as Dryden suggested?
- What could ever happen that would vindicate Danny's failure to tell the elementary school principal and/or the local church pastor that convicted sex offenders and/or known pedophile Tommy Shelton was/were on the premises?
- What could ever happen that would vindicate Danny and 3ABN suing us in retaliation for our blowing the whistle about their cover up of Tommy's pedophilia, and then refusing to pursue their alleged claims on that point?
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Hi Alex,
Sounds like they might move to possible settlement. The way they been pouring it on at 3abn would be such a reproach or embarrassment to all their bragging talk if made public. I Hope for the best outcome for you.
Just some suggestions, but....
"Perhaps" it would be better to not count on chickens before they hatch, or announce their arrival before they arrive?
"Perhaps" it would be good to consider all sides and scenarios, as in, maybe this all could clear or vindicate 3ABN as far as these allegations are concerned, in addition to considering or proposing that it will or could be an embarrasment, or reproach to them, or maybe find them at fault?
"Perhaps" and I do believe this, we should pray for ALL, and that it is the best outcome for ALL, not just one. Because, "Perhaps" God has a plan and knows all and the beggining and the end, and knows what is best for all? "Perhaps" we should pray for His will in Jesus name, rather than for our own or for him to bring our will about.
"Perhaps we should acknowledge that He is in control, and NOTHING happens without his permission, and give thanks to Him for all things according to His will, and give Him the glory in all, rather than focussing on or making it about someone else rather than ourselves, or casting the blame on the shortcomings or failures of man, or any earthly institution or office when we don't get our way, or things don't go as we think they should?
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The interpretation of events by 3ABN might convince a majority of ardent vievers. Will it also convince a jury or a judge?
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This is getting intense! Oh my. If what I have been told is accurate. 3ABN is in a sling. My oh my.
Pat Williams, go blow smoke up someone else's tail. We could careless about your garbage.
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Pat Williams or who ever you are,
My sympathy is for any victim that has had to live through admitted cruel acts administered to the stealing of the youthful and their identity for self gratification.
Believe me the wisest thing they can do is settle now or damage the church big time and ruin for someone else to take over and run the thing. This is one big fact. Who ever runs it and ran it to this breaking point is no ones fault but the ad mistration they now have. How can anyone deny this - is there really no legal documents to prove anything?? Sure there is and God knows like you say and he also states that eventually the sins will be found out and so they are.
...and you already can count cause The chicken already laid the eggs!! Say, since we are talking chicken eggs--do you know how you can tell a hen egg from a rooster egg?? I sure can & I know quite a bit about how to tell all what the profits are too so it is very important to count the chickens eggs before they hatch--so many hens and so many roosters......lol when you count the chickens you prepare way ahead of time so in parallel ....these notorious lawyers are definitely counting the "laid eggs" or they wouldn't be involved. Just a common sense thing you know. They are not in it to be made fools by pedophiles.
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Hi Alex,
Sounds like they might move to possible settlement. The way they been pouring it on at 3abn would be such a reproach or embarrassment to all their bragging talk if made public. I Hope for the best outcome for you.
Just some suggestions, but....
"Perhaps" it would be better to not count on chickens before they hatch, or announce their arrival before they arrive?
"Perhaps" it would be good to consider all sides and scenarios, as in, maybe this all could clear or vindicate 3ABN as far as these allegations are concerned, in addition to considering or proposing that it will or could be an embarrasment, or reproach to them, or maybe find them at fault?
"Perhaps" and I do believe this, we should pray for ALL, and that it is the best outcome for ALL, not just one. Because, "Perhaps" God has a plan and knows all and the beggining and the end, and knows what is best for all? "Perhaps" we should pray for His will in Jesus name, rather than for our own or for him to bring our will about.
"Perhaps we should acknowledge that He is in control, and NOTHING happens without his permission, and give thanks to Him for all things according to His will, and give Him the glory in all, rather than focussing on or making it about someone else rather than ourselves, or casting the blame on the shortcomings or failures of man, or any earthly institution or office when we don't get our way, or things don't go as we think they should?
Who is this person? Seriously. Do you have no brain?
It has been stated that Tommy's plea agreement is admissible in the Civil Trial. Let's be clear here; in a civil trial you only have to show the "majority of the evidence." Attorney's have stated 51%. They conclude that Tommy's admission of guilt will cover nearly 50% of that evidence. This is a shew win for the victim's attorney's.
You can play word Games "Pat Williams", but the truth is what is done in the dark will soon come to light. DLS will be held accountable and will the pirate club which consist of Walt Thompson and the rest of the "do nothing" people.
Greg Simpson has a fight on his hand. Are you sure he can tackle it? Um.... I don't think so. The best thing 3ABN and Danny Shelton could have done was settled with the victims. They chose the hard road.
Now use your brain the good Lord gave you, and quit spouting off nonsense.
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Pickle and Joy moved to compel Rule 26(a)(1) materials and for sanctions on December 14, 2007. (Docket #35).3 On December 18, 2007, 3ABN moved for a protective order to ensure that disclosure of trade secret and confidential information would be appropriately limited. (Docket #40). ...
While the above-discussed motions were pending, Pickle served his written requests for production of documents on 3ABN and Shelton in late November and early December 2007.
That was pp. 8 and 9. Anyone care to explain how late November and early December 2007 are after December 14 and 18, 2007?
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It appears to me that Simpson has the same kind of faulty calender as I discovered in the reasoning of 3ABN now several years ago. And their "truth" seems to be based on this kind of faulty reasoning. Are they hoping no one discovers these discrepancies?
Pickle and Joy moved to compel Rule 26(a)(1) materials and for sanctions on December 14, 2007. (Docket #35).3 On December 18, 2007, 3ABN moved for a protective order to ensure that disclosure of trade secret and confidential information would be appropriately limited. (Docket #40). ...
While the above-discussed motions were pending, Pickle served his written requests for production of documents on 3ABN and Shelton in late November and early December 2007.
That was pp. 8 and 9. Anyone care to explain how late November and early December 2007 are after December 14 and 18, 2007?
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Johann my dear friend:
Do you believe their discrepancies have finally been discovered or soon shall be?
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Will they ever?
Johann my dear friend:
Do you believe their discrepancies have finally been discovered or soon shall be?
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pirate club
How fitting of a coin! There really are "pirates" in all walks of life. They take whatever, however, whenever and are under a leader. Only a leader like that attracts the same characteristics. I am still sad that it had to be on the SDA ship of recognition, but where else could the devil take such a treasure. But what they forget is this ship will go through in the end with the right guidence from the helm. Yes SDA will take a blow from this. So no matter what DS thinks he is doing his actions did totally different as the programing is used to gain assets and to cover. Isn't that what happened to Judas?
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When?
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Are we familiar with this scripture?
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”
—2nd Corinthians 11:13-15
And
"Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves (Matt. 7:15).
Am I correct that Danny Shelton considers himself a Prophet? I do know some refer to him as the "anointed one." The truth is he's a vicious viper no better than the serpent in the Garden of Eden!!!!!
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Here is another one that just settled...only thing that bothers me is the phrase..."church officials were please"...when I see that I immediately suspect that litigation counsel sold out the victims!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Del. diocese settles priest abuse claims for $77M
By KASEY JONES Associated Press
(AP) - Lawyers involved with the Delaware Catholic Diocese of Wilmington's $77 million settlement with nearly 150 alleged victims of sexual abuse say the church's agreement to release unredacted documents is a historic step toward making sure it doesn't happen again.
And lawyers for the alleged victims say they'll post the documents on the Internet.
The diocese agreed Wednesday to settle the lawsuits, which claimed child sexual abuse by dozens of diocesan and religious order priests dating to the early 1960s. Attorney Thomas Neuberger, who represented 99 of the 146 alleged victims, says they will each receive $530,000 on average.
Diocese attorney Anthony Flynn says church officials are pleased with the settlement.
2011-02-03 08:19:33 GMT
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Might other victims settle for a similar settlement?
Here is another one that just settled...only thing that bothers me is the phrase..."church officials were please"...when I see that I immediately suspect that litigation counsel sold out the victims!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Del. diocese settles priest abuse claims for $77M
By KASEY JONES Associated Press
(AP) - Lawyers involved with the Delaware Catholic Diocese of Wilmington's $77 million settlement with nearly 150 alleged victims of sexual abuse say the church's agreement to release unredacted documents is a historic step toward making sure it doesn't happen again.
And lawyers for the alleged victims say they'll post the documents on the Internet.
The diocese agreed Wednesday to settle the lawsuits, which claimed child sexual abuse by dozens of diocesan and religious order priests dating to the early 1960s. Attorney Thomas Neuberger, who represented 99 of the 146 alleged victims, says they will each receive $530,000 on average.
Diocese attorney Anthony Flynn says church officials are pleased with the settlement.
2011-02-03 08:19:33 GMT
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Something seems to be boiling these days. Will we soon find out what it is?
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Something seems to be boiling these days. Will we soon find out what it is?
Indeed! Something is definitely cooking and the kitchen is getting HOT!
The Batters are in the dugout and the opposition team is in the field! The umpire is behind home plate and if you listen carefully you can hear him say "Let's play ball!"
It's almost game time! Won't be long.
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How does this affect the Joy & Pickle one, or does it?
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Something seems to be boiling these days. Will we soon find out what it is?
Indeed! Something is definitely cooking and the kitchen is getting HOT!
The Batters are in the dugout and the opposition team is in the field! The umpire is behind home plate and if you listen carefully you can hear him say "Let's play ball!"
It's almost game time! Won't be long.
We have been hearing that for quite awhile now...
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Something seems to be boiling these days. Will we soon find out what it is?
Indeed! Something is definitely cooking and the kitchen is getting HOT!
The Batters are in the dugout and the opposition team is in the field! The umpire is behind home plate and if you listen carefully you can hear him say "Let's play ball!"
It's almost game time! Won't be long.
We have been hearing that for quite awhile now...
Dear Snoopy,
You are correct. However, due to recent events there was a delay. I cannot go into the details of that, but to say one key witness has been added or will soon be added to both the criminal and civil cases. I am not at liberty to reveal their identity as it could cause sever consequences for them.
It is safe to say that it is likely this will be filed this week. Possibly the next day or two. It is in the process that they call "Review Status". Meaning qualified attorney's are reviewing it. After that is complete the plaintiffs (myself and the other victim) will have the opportunity to review it. After that is complete it goes to he final step which is it's filing! Trust me we are keenly aware that time is running out towards the end of the month when one un-named agreement will expire.
The final steps are in the works and it is now not a matter of weeks, but days.
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Dear Snoopy,
You are correct. However, due to recent events there was a delay. I cannot go into the details of that, but to say one key witness has been added or will soon be added to both the criminal and civil cases. I am not at liberty to reveal their identity as it could cause sever consequences for them.
It is safe to say that it is likely this will be filed this week. Possibly the next day or two. It is in the process that they call "Review Status". Meaning qualified attorney's are reviewing it. After that is complete the plaintiffs (myself and the other victim) will have the opportunity to review it. After that is complete it goes to he final step which is it's filing! Trust me we are keenly aware that time is running out towards the end of the month when one un-named agreement will expire.
The final steps are in the works and it is now not a matter of weeks, but days.
I just got a more complete version of what's going on and I see what you mean - only days now. It will be interesting to see what happens next.
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Still waiting with suspense. . .
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I'm still waiting to view the complaint. Hopefully tomorrow.
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Silent night. . .
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Still waiting..... :-\
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Still waiting..... :-\
Here is the patience of the Saints. . .
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Still waiting..... :-\
Here is the patience of the Saints. . .
Don't expect much, but panic has probably set in, not only in Illinois, but Maryland as well!!!
I will bet they are doing some last minute negotiations...but the time-clock is ticking...tick, tick, tick, tick, tick...ka-bo-o-o-m!!!
They are up against Statute of limitations and cannot afford to slip up, so, some intense week-end discussions will be needed to make any serious headway... it would be easier negotiating settlement disputes between Israelies and Palestinians.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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it would be easier negotiating settlement disputes between Israelies and Palestinians.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Almost impossible?
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It will require the participation of a lot of players contributing to any serious settlement negotiation just as it did for the IRS case. But, the demand is substantially larger and will require the cooperation of the insurers, directors and perhaps some outside contributors in the ASI Mission Board or others.
There is a large incentive to same both the church and 3ABN from the embarrassment of the revelations that would inevitably become major headlines.
I can assure you, if it down to just DLS and the board, this would not settle.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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When will there be some substantial news regarding this?
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Good question. I'd like to know that too.
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:dunno: Has to be soon! There is no time to waste.
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:dunno: Has to be soon! There is no time to waste.
Right!
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So if a settlement is reached and it includes a silencer (can't remember the legal term) will we even hear about it?
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So if a settlement is reached and it includes a silencer (can't remember the legal term) will we even hear about it?
It seems like a settlement was at attempted right from the beginning. You never know how far they get. Who knows?
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And if there is a settlement will 3ABN deny that there was one and hide the details such as how much they had to pay to settle?
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And if there is a settlement will 3ABN deny that there was one and hide the details such as how much they had to pay to settle?
Anyone has the freedom to guess, I suppose.
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Is there any way we can know if this is going to ever be over? We don't watch that station any more, so we won't know if they say so.
Harold.
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Given the title of the OP, it appears this entire thread was a bit premature.
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The chances are that if settlement talks are occurring, which is possible, that any settlement could include a gag agreement. That means NO ONE will know if a settlement has been reached.
It is also possible that we could know a settlement was reached, but it would state and "undisclosed amount given to the plaintiffs."
Chances are there will be a gag stipulation and none of us will know.
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And if there is a settlement will 3ABN deny that there was one and hide the details such as how much they had to pay to settle?
If there is a gag stipulation added, 3ABN will have and can observe the right to keep the settlement details private.
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I just don't feel that it is moral for them to keep covering things up and buying people's silence.
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Would a gag order on the victims in the civil case "gag" them or prevent them from testifying in the criminal case? And is that what is being attempted?
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Would a gag order on the victims in the civil case "gag" them or prevent them from testifying in the criminal case? And is that what is being attempted?
I suppose the only way we will ever know is if we notice the criminal case has been dropped.
I just don't feel that it is moral for them to keep covering things up and buying people's silence.
In a way this reminds me of why Martin Luther was protesting and what led to the Reformation. The pope was attempting to sell a silence by heaven.
Would a gag order buy such silence by heaven and keep 3ABN clear in the Final Judgment?
And if there is a settlement will 3ABN deny that there was one and hide the details such as how much they had to pay to settle?
If there is a gag stipulation added, 3ABN will have and can observe the right to keep the settlement details private.
Also in the final judgment?
The chances are that if settlement talks are occurring, which is possible, that any settlement could include a gag agreement. That means NO ONE will know if a settlement has been reached.
It is also possible that we could know a settlement was reached, but it would state and "undisclosed amount given to the plaintiffs."
Chances are there will be a gag stipulation and none of us will know.
Given the title of the OP, it appears this entire thread was a bit premature.
How will we ever know?
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Is there any way we can know if this is going to ever be over? We don't watch that station any more, so we won't know if they say so.
Harold.
Isaiah 47:5
“Sit in silence, go into darkness, queen city of the Babylonians; no more will you be called queen of kingdoms.
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Child of the King asked:
Would a gag order on the victims in the civil case "gag" them or prevent them from testifying in the criminal case?
Again, that would be goverened by the law of the State in which the criminal action took place. However, there are past examples of a civil agreement reached in which the parties agreed to a so-called "gag order" and then one of the victims was asked to testify in a criminal hearing or trial. In several of those examples the victim refused to testify and the charges in the criminal hearing/trial were dropped.
Why? Clearly the judge could have ordered the person to testify under the penalty of law whlich would generally have meant "contempt of court" sentence to jail. Prosecutors and judges do not often want the publicity of an attempt to send a victim to jail for the refusing to testify.
So, ultimately it will probably be up to the people who settle the case as to whether or not they testify in a criminal trial.
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One might ask: Why would a vistim refuse to testify in a criminal hearing/trial? Well, let us look at what might be the objectives of each party.
The defendent in a civil case has the objective of settleing that civil case as well as wanting to evade a criminal trial. To accomplish both objectives, the defendent will want to persuade the plaintiff to not participate in any further action, either civil or criminal. The plaintiff will likely have as one objective the desire to move on with their life and put this all behind them as far as is possible.
This may mean that both parties do not want a criminal trial. The defendent certainly will not want such. The plaintiff can not move on with their life during a trial. There is publicity of all of the details. There is the cross-examination under oath. Even the monst honest plalintiff will likely make some statement of fact that is in error and will be so exploited by the defense. In a criminal trial the vistim is often re-victimized.
All it takes is a financial settlement for the victim to say: Well, with this, I can move on with my life. That is what I want to do. Who can blame them for doing such? I cannot.
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So what it boils down to is if Tommy Shelton might be able to be completely free because a gag order through a deal in the civil case would prevent the victims from testifying for the prosecutor in the criminal case - is that what you are saying Gregory?
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Johann: No, I am NOT saying that a deal in a civil case would prevent a victim in testifying in a criminal case. I am saying that a victim might want to move on with their life and refuse to testify in a criminal proceeding. In such a case the prosecutor and the judge might not want to re-vistimize the victim by sending them to jail for refusing to testify.
There is a difference between prevented from testifying and refusing to testifying. in the first the person cannot testify and in the second the person could testify but does not.
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The hypothetical scenario described sounds to me a bit like a Mafia figure offering a witness a sum of money in exchange for not testifying. I think there are statutes criminalizing such attempts to tamper with witnesses.
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The hypothetical scenario described sounds to me a bit like a Mafia figure offering a witness a sum of money in exchange for not testifying. I think there are statutes criminalizing such attempts to tamper with witnesses.
Very important!
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Bob: There is nothing hypothetical about my comments. That has happened. That has happened more than once. The news media has reported it.
The bottom line is: No one wants to re-victimize a victim by sending them to jail for refusing to testify.
Victims often want to move on withtheir lives. They often do not want to be involved in a criminal trial.
If you think that my situation was hypothetical, you simply are unaware.
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Bob said:
The hypothetical scenario described sounds to me a bit like a Mafia figure offering a witness a sum of money in exchange for not testifying. I think there are statutes criminalizing such attempts to tamper with witnesses.
Yes, Bob, in your situation there would be criminal statutes that would allow for a criminal trial. But, your scenerio does not match the actual situations that have occured.
In the cases that have occured, the person is a victim--which is much more than a mere witness. No one wants to re-victimize a person who is already a victim.
In my case, the settlement comes in relation to a civil trial. As a settlement of a civil trial, the settlement agreement will be written by smart attornies that will make if very hard to prove that a criminal trial has been obstructed.
You will recall that the issue is NOT that the victim is prevented from giving testimony at the criminal trial, it is that the victim does not want to give testimony and so refuses to do so. Under those conditions, it is not likely that one can prove that a witness was tampered with. The attornies who write such agreements are smart and know what they are doing.
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O.K. Bob, let us say that a prosecutor in a criminal trial of TS choses to attempt to force Victim MJ to testify against MJ's wishes:
So, the prosecution calls MJ as a witness. An early order of business will likely be for the prosecutor to address the judge and request permission to treat MJ as a "hostile witness." Let us say that the judge grants that request. Do you have any idea as to how a jury will react to the prosecutor treating MJ as a hostile witness? Do you have any idea as to how doing such will potentially affect tlhe decision that the jury will make as to the guilt of TS?
Do you know what it means for an attorney who calls a witness to recieve permission from the judge to treat that person as a "hostile witness?"
The bottom line is that the jury who witnesses such will likely believe that the hostile witness is not telling the whole truth and that is only the beginning. The defense will exploit that to the maximumn possible.
The jury will potentially think that there is an "out of control" prosecutor who is manipulating the system to force a reluctant victim to testify against the defendant beyond what it truth. The defense will exploit that into sympathy for the defendant.
No none wants to be in this situation in a trial. It simply helps the defendant.
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NOTE: I want to be very clear: I am not suggesting in any of my posts that those who have chagred TS with crimes are either attempting to gain a financial advantage from TS, or that they would refuse to testify against TS in a criminal trial.
I am saying that I consider it to be unlikely that they would face criminal sanctions if they refused to testify against TS in a criminal trial.
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Gregory, I said that I thought there were statutes criminalizing attempts to tamper with witnesses. It is the perpetrators and their lawyers who would then be involved in potentially criminal activity, not the victims.
At what point is a lawyer who is trying to persuade a victim of child molestation to not testify against the perpetrator selling his soul for ill-gotten gain?
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Bob, and what I said was that the attornies are smart and you are unlikely to have a "tampering with a witness" charge sustained if a victim refuses to testify.
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Bob, and what I said was that the attornies are smart and you are unlikely to have a "tampering with a witness" charge sustained if a victim refuses to testify.
Attornies who stoop to such reprehensible conduct are not smart. It is never smart to sell one's soul to do evil, since one is jeopardizing living forever on streets of gold for such a paltry sum.
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Do you think the Seventh-day Adventist church is also culpable in the coverup that 3ABN has been perpetrating?
If they have been participating in the settlement, as Gailon suggested, they would also benefit from the victims' silence, since they appear to be using 3ABN increasingly, not less than before.
As a platform for some Advent Review regular contributors, for example.
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What benefit would the Adventist Church obtain by not having Church of God pastor Tommy Shelton convicted?
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I'm not sure what your question is asking.
It looks to me like the SDA church likes the availability of the 3ABN media platform, at least to some degree.
Covering up 3ABN's faults allows them to continue on with their use of 3ABN without looking bad to the public.
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I believe Gregory is point on with his comments. It is very possible the victims can or might agree to not testifying against Tommy if such a stipulation is added to the agreement.
Who would blame them? Also, no judge or prosecutor is going to punish them (the victims) for choosing not to testify against TS.
I for one would be for such an agreement if it was worked out.
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Let me be clear: I believe it would be in the victims best interest to accept a settlement in exchange for their testimony against TS.
Also these ideas come from myself, and no one else. I am not saying that this is what is going to happen, as I have no knowledge if there is even negotiations taking place.
I am just saying that the victims should consider accepting such an agreement!
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Then I would imagine that there will continue to be new victims.
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Ahem. Good catch.
Let me be clear: I believe it would be in the victims best interest to accept a settlement in exchange for their testimony against TS.
Also these ideas come from myself, and no one else. I am not saying that this is what is going to happen, as I have no knowledge if there is even negotiations taking place.
I am just saying that the victims should consider accepting such an agreement!
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Ahem. Good catch.
Let me be clear: I believe it would be in the victims best interest to accept a settlement in exchange for their testimony against TS.
Also these ideas come from myself, and no one else. I am not saying that this is what is going to happen, as I have no knowledge if there is even negotiations taking place.
I am just saying that the victims should consider accepting such an agreement!
Excuse me?
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I am not suggesting what the plaintiffs might do.
I would not blame them for any decision that they might make.
I do not believe that such a stipulation would need to be entered into a written document.
I can immagine some people simply wanting to move on with their lives. A criminal trial of TS would be very stressful on anyone testifying for the prosecution.
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I'm not sure what your question is asking.
It looks to me like the SDA church likes the availability of the 3ABN media platform, at least to some degree.
Covering up 3ABN's faults allows them to continue on with their use of 3ABN without looking bad to the public.
Covering up 3ABN's faults is not the same as letting an admitted, non-Adventist pedophile off the hook.
The issue under discussion is whether an admitted, non-Adventist pedophile will have to stand trial if a settlement is reached, not whether 3ABN's faults will be covered up or not.
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Let me be clear: I believe it would be in the victims best interest to accept a settlement in exchange for their testimony against TS.
Also these ideas come from myself, and no one else. I am not saying that this is what is going to happen, as I have no knowledge if there is even negotiations taking place.
I am just saying that the victims should consider accepting such an agreement!
Of course they should consider it.
And they should also consider how many people right now are rotting in prison, thinking they ended up there because they didn't have enough money to buy their way out of having to pay for their crimes, thinking it isn't fair that rich folks can get away with all kinds of stuff simply because they have money.
And they should consider the protests sweeping various countries and toppling regimes because the have nots are fed up with the corruption of the haves.
And they should consider ALL Tommy's victims and their families, particularly the ones who hesitated to or decided not to come forward because it was no use, since Tommy was going to get off once again like he always has. They should read the pain in the letters of Moms in Pain #1 and #2, and consider all the hurt and broken dreams and pain and heartache Tommy has caused, and ask themselves if they really want to let Tommy off the hook without any consequences whatsoever, all for the love of filthy lucre.
And then Danny will be able to say once again that he's been totally vindicated, since Tommy never went to trial, and was never convicted, for Tommy's victims decided to not go into court and repeat their lies and slander against man of God Tommy Shelton. So Danny can say he was right in threatening Dryden and suing us and covering it all up since there never was anything to it, because the victims themselves knew they were lying, and all the victims ever wanted was money.
Danny has already pulled this kind of thing twice, remember? The IRS is muzzled by federal law, so Danny can repeat his lies unhindered about total vindication, and not one discrepancy or infraction found. Linda was muzzled to the point that she couldn't even defend herself at her own church trial, while Danny was free to repeat all his lies to anyone he wanted.
Also recall how Danny and his cronies operate, that they talk behind people's backs, and you often never really know who they said what to. That's what Brenda Walsh and Walt Thompson have done.
And if that kind of thing happens, and the victims get wind of it, and they decide they need to defend their reputations, then they can be punished for doing so if they violate the agreement. Like the fellow with the creationist museum who had a dispute over some dinosaur bones with someone, settled with him, and then felt he had to defend his reputation. The judgment he ended up having to pay was supposed to cause the closure of his museum, even after auctioning off various fossils to try to pay the bill, since he couldn't raise enough money.
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Fossil find could lead to ruin of Crosbyton museum owner (http://lubbockonline.com/stories/011308/loc_236235759.shtml)
Creation museum selling mastodon skull (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22717687/)
Fortunately, the skull sold for enough that Taylor was able to keep his museum open. So my previous post was incorrect. I had read the story I think before the auction finished and the sale was made. See the references linked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Blanco_Fossil_Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Blanco_Fossil_Museum).
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Mr. Gregory;
It is clear you have not examined an adversarial witness!!!
Remember that to get a complaint before the court they must file an information. In the subject case the victims must have signed complaints and given affidavits. Then, with a probable cause hearing completed, there was a move to the Grand Jury for an Indictment and with that more testimony on the record. All of these statements can be introduced at trial and can be the basis for a trial on the merits, despite the unwillingness of a plaintiff to testify. Those statements introduced to a jury by simply requiring a victim to read them into the record, a victim “testifies” and may subject him to a perjury case if he in any way alters his testimony…AND I WOULD PROSECUTE A PERJURY CASE WITH IMPUNITY.
Juries are savvy enough to know when the “peace and dignity of the state” has been violated by a sold out victim. And in Virginia, given the tea party movement, the inappropriate utilization of a false prosecution for private enrichment would be seen as a recovery opportunity!!!
I reject the premise that we should EVER allow victims to settle for money and walk away from the criminal indictment and conviction!!! That would allow perpetrators to “fix” criminal cases and would result in a victim using a criminal process for personal enrichment without the proper pursuit of justice.
In fact, this maneuver would not be “good faith” and would leave the state holding the bag for the cost of a prosecution and could entitle them to assess costs to the enriched victims for the bad faith prosecution used by both disreputable counsel and a reprobate victim. Given the clear position of the Chief Judge in this case, do not bet he will treat such a maneuver with indifference or fear of Mr., Gregory’s purported jury paranoia’s.
While I would expect such a proposal from your “peace-nik theology” that will avoid every conflict in pursuit of peace and safety, it does not serve the best interests of society and avoids accountability. I reject the theology that calls for peace and safety and encourages vacating accountability and is why people like Tommy Ray Shelton still walk free to exploit even more victims. Do you really want that probability on your head, or is there simply no social conscience allowed in the pursuit of peace and safety?
As for you, Alex, given your religious background and given your duty to man and God, it is reprehensible for you to consider such an option and allow this predator to avoid accountability in exchange for 20 pieces of silver!!!
Given that I can comfortably state that I have reliable alternative confirmation that there are “defending” parties that would clearly prefer that this civil case be settled rather than litigated in the very public court system, I will also point out that some “defending parties” will need considerable time to determine the level of their potential liability in this case with the new and old information now available to them. It is unlikely that a structured settlement will be agreed to and funded prior to a criminal case presentation and therefore is likely a moot issue, win or lose.
In fact, a criminal conviction will likely enhance the civil settlement as much information will be presented that is not yet available to the pending defendants. I would propose that those revelations to most certainly come into the record at trial will result in the filling of the pants of several 3ABN directors and their insurers. Remember that Adventist Risk Management will have a serious interest to assess any liability of denominational representatives to the 3ABN board over the years.
I trust my point is clear, I have nothing but contempt for those who would even consider a short-cut and the taking of 20 pieces of silver and resulting in the failure to bring accountability to a sexual predator that has evaded punishment and accountability these many years, largely with the help of brother Danny Lee Shelton, et al. Do you wish to now join the enablers?
I trust the answer is: Nay Never, and you will stand for principal first!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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In the citation below I will cite portions of Gailon’s comments and I will place my comment in brackets with my initials. E. G. [ xxxxx—GM]
Mr. Gregory;
It is clear you have not examined an adversarial witness!!!
[I may not have examined an adversarial witness in Federal (or State) Court. But, that does not negate the truth of what I said could happen. As you probably know, it has happened and it has been well reported by the media—GM.]
Remember that to get a complaint before the court they must file an information. In the subject case the victims must have signed complaints and given affidavits. Then, with a probable cause hearing completed, there was a move to the Grand Jury for an Indictment and with that more testimony on the record. All of these statements can be introduced at trial and can be the basis for a trial on the merits, despite the unwillingness of a plaintiff to testify. Those statements introduced to a jury by simply requiring a victim to read them into the record, a victim “testifies” and may subject him to a perjury case if he in any way alters his testimony…AND I WOULD PROSECUTE A PERJURY CASE WITH IMPUNITY.
[I do not argue what you say above and I have never stated otherwise. A trial could go forward without the cooperation of the plaintiffs. That could happen. However, you are not the prosecutor. The decision above is neither yours nor mine to make. It often does not go forward when the plaintiffs do not cooperate—GM.]
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I reject the premise that we should EVER allow victims to settle for money and walk away from the criminal indictment and conviction!!! That would allow perpetrators to “fix” criminal cases and would result in a victim using a criminal process for personal enrichment without the proper pursuit of justice.
[I have never advocated the above. I did not advocate the above in my posted comments. I simply stated what could and does happen—GM.]
In fact, this maneuver would not be “good faith” and would leave the state holding the bag for the cost of a prosecution and could entitle them to assess costs to the enriched victims for the bad faith prosecution used by both disreputable counsel and a reprobate victim. Given the clear position of the Chief Judge in this case, do not bet he will treat such a maneuver with indifference or fear of Mr., Gregory’s purported jury paranoia’s.
[Yes, the State would end up holding the bag for the costs. As you probably know, it is highly unlikely that the State would attempt to charge the plaintiffs for the costs. As to the judge: The judge does not decide whether or not to prosecute—GM.]
While I would expect such a proposal from your “peace-nik theology” that will avoid every conflict in pursuit of peace and safety, it does not serve the best interests of society and avoids accountability. I reject the theology that calls for peace and safety and encourages vacating accountability and is why people like Tommy Ray Shelton still walk free to exploit even more victims. Do you really want that probability on your head, or is there simply no social conscience allowed in the pursuit of peace and safety?
[Come on Gailon, you do not know my theology. It has never been characterized as “peace-nik” by anyone who knows me. In stating what could happen (and you know that I am correct.) I said nothing about theology. Theology does not enter into the decision of the State as to whether or nto to prosecute. You mischaracterize my theology—GM.]
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Given that I can comfortably state that I have reliable alternative confirmation that there are “defending” parties that would clearly prefer that this civil case be settled rather than litigated in the very public court system, I will also point out that some “defending parties” will need considerable time to determine the level of their potential liability in this case with the new and old information now available to them. It is unlikely that a structured settlement will be agreed to and funded prior to a criminal case presentation and therefore is likely a moot issue, win or lose.
[It may very well be true. But, does not change the truth of my statement of what could happen—GM.]
In fact, a criminal conviction will likely enhance the civil settlement as much information will be presented that is not yet available to the pending defendants.
[I agree with you. However, such, in my thinking supports the desire to settle by the defendants—GM.]
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I trust my point is clear, I have nothing but contempt for those who would even consider a short-cut and the taking of 20 pieces of silver and resulting in the failure to bring accountability to a sexual predator that has evaded punishment and accountability these many years, largely with the help of brother Danny Lee Shelton, et al. Do you wish to now join the enablers?
[You may have contempt for them. But, have you ever walked in their shoes. As I posted. Some may simply want to put it all behind them and get on with their lives. Getting on with their lives may be more important than sending TS to prison—GM.]
[As to your question about joining the enablers, come on Gailon, you know better than that. Stating an opinion as to what could happen is not becoming an enabler—GN.]
I trust the answer is: Nay Never, and you will stand for principal first!!!
[Stating an opinion, whether correct or incorrect, is simply that, an opinion of a possible outcome in a legal proceeding—GM.]
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Principles vs. Possibilities?
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The enablers, Mr Gregory, would be the victims that allowed Tommy Ray Shelton to, once again, evade accountability.
We have a judge that has denied a plea bargain because it did not include jail time...a preosecutor who has now gone
to great lengths to prepare for a trial on the merits, many witnesses that have agreed or been called to testify, and
the victims, who were the parties to press the issue, now want their 20 peices of Silver and move on, without regard
to their civic and social responsibilities?
I thought that the victims and their counsel would have more principles than that!!!
I have no question that the potential defendants and their "current counsel" have every interest in avoiding a head on
civil litigation case and would greatly benefit from a comprehensive and global resolution through a structured settlement,
but that does not absolve the victims of the duty to see Tommy Ray Shelton have accountability...after all, we all well
know that he will not shoulder the first farthing of any structured settlement, but rather various directors, insurers and
contributors.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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It seems according to the previous posts here that the tolling agreement ends today?
It does not appear that a lawsuit has been filed by the deadline despite the posts announcing a big announcement, and the posts by Alex claiming he was waiting to read the copy of the complaint last week.
Surely the alleged complaint wouldn't even have been drafted if a settlement was in the works?
That said, I think all the what if's, surmising, and ire here is uncalled for at best, and premature at the least.
Alex is one of the complainants and party to both the criminal and the "alleged" civil case, or "settlement".
He's the one to ask. He is the one to answer.
A simple answer here would be helpful. You do not have to elaborate if you do not choose to. Of course you do not have to supply a simple answer either, but that will cause more questions and doubts about you I am thinking.
Alex, are you still wanting to proceed with and testify against Tommy in the criminal case as you have so often posted here? OR, have you changed your mind?
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Someone just pointed out to me that the previous posts I am referring to may not be known to all as they are spread out over different threads. To eliminate confusion, or to allow those who haven't read all here to catch up. The referred to posts are below.
Expect a huge announcement or (press release) in the coming weeks. :)
Let's not forget this either:
"In the event this matter proceeds towards litigation, we will not only be seeking substantial monetary compensation. We will also be seeking injunctive relief in the form of a mandatory broadcast announcement, on 3ABN, of Pastor Shelton's past sexual abuse of children, along with the creation of a staffed, toll free telephone line for all information regarding such to be reported by 3ABN patrons."
One could wonder if Jim Gilley is preparing this as we speak? It appears it's going to happen. :)
This announcement will come as early as two weeks from now. No later than the end of January. :)
I guess we will know something within two weeks...??
That is correct. At least that is what I am being told. I should have more news as of tomorrow. :)
Sources have told me that the law suit against Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN should be filed as early as next week. My understanding is this will be filed in Chicago, Illinois.
Jeff Anderson will lead the charge in the objective along with Sarah Odegaard. They will be working with the attorney's from Manly and Stewart of California; John C. Manly (head atty) Vince W. Finaldi, and Michael Reck.
Should be interesting.
It appears that recent turn of events, may have pushed the filing date back a bit. However, these recent turn of event's are very positive for us, not so much for 3ABN and DS.
Hi Alex,
Sounds like they might move to possible settlement. The way they been pouring it on at 3abn would be such a reproach or embarrassment to all their bragging talk if made public. I Hope for the best outcome for you.
Just some suggestions, but....
"Perhaps" it would be better to not count on chickens before they hatch, or announce their arrival before they arrive?
"Perhaps" it would be good to consider all sides and scenarios, as in, maybe this all could clear or vindicate 3ABN as far as these allegations are concerned, in addition to considering or proposing that it will or could be an embarrasment, or reproach to them, or maybe find them at fault?
"Perhaps" and I do believe this, we should pray for ALL, and that it is the best outcome for ALL, not just one. Because, "Perhaps" God has a plan and knows all and the beggining and the end, and knows what is best for all? "Perhaps" we should pray for His will in Jesus name, rather than for our own or for him to bring our will about.
"Perhaps we should acknowledge that He is in control, and NOTHING happens without his permission, and give thanks to Him for all things according to His will, and give Him the glory in all, rather than focussing on or making it about someone else rather than ourselves, or casting the blame on the shortcomings or failures of man, or any earthly institution or office when we don't get our way, or things don't go as we think they should?
Who is this person? Seriously. Do you have no brain?
It has been stated that Tommy's plea agreement is admissible in the Civil Trial. Let's be clear here; in a civil trial you only have to show the "majority of the evidence." Attorney's have stated 51%. They conclude that Tommy's admission of guilt will cover nearly 50% of that evidence. This is a shew win for the victim's attorney's.
You can play word Games "Pat Williams", but the truth is what is done in the dark will soon come to light. DLS will be held accountable and will the pirate club which consist of Walt Thompson and the rest of the "do nothing" people.
Greg Simpson has a fight on his hand. Are you sure he can tackle it? Um.... I don't think so. The best thing 3ABN and Danny Shelton could have done was settled with the victims. They chose the hard road.
Now use your brain the good Lord gave you, and quit spouting off nonsense.
Will this be filed before the tolling agreement runs out next month?
OK - I give. A statute of limitations tolls. What in the world is a "tolling agreement"? Are you suggesting the statute of limitations runs out in March?
That is correct, Snoopy. The tolling agreement halted the statue of limitations. So, assuming this is correct they have no choice, but to file by the end of February.
Check on the URL Below if you want a clear explaination of a Tolling Agreement and how it can benefit both parties.
http://www.ehow.com/about_6391028_legal-definition-tolling-agreement.html
Gregory:
I am no familiar completely with the tolling agreement. I do know that I did sign one, under the advice of my attorney's. I'm not completely aware of it's value. Thanks for the link.
Feb 14-15
Something seems to be boiling these days. Will we soon find out what it is?
Indeed! Something is definitely cooking and the kitchen is getting HOT!
The Batters are in the dugout and the opposition team is in the field! The umpire is behind home plate and if you listen carefully you can hear him say "Let's play ball!"
It's almost game time! Won't be long.
We have been hearing that for quite awhile now...
Dear Snoopy,
You are correct. However, due to recent events there was a delay. I cannot go into the details of that, but to say one key witness has been added or will soon be added to both the criminal and civil cases. I am not at liberty to reveal their identity as it could cause sever consequences for them.
It is safe to say that it is likely this will be filed this week. Possibly the next day or two. It is in the process that they call "Review Status". Meaning qualified attorney's are reviewing it. After that is complete the plaintiffs (myself and the other victim) will have the opportunity to review it. After that is complete it goes to he final step which is it's filing! Trust me we are keenly aware that time is running out towards the end of the month when one un-named agreement will expire.
The final steps are in the works and it is now not a matter of weeks, but days.
I'm still waiting to view the complaint. Hopefully tomorrow.
Still waiting..... :-\
When will there be some substantial news regarding this?
:dunno: Has to be soon! There is no time to waste.
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In fact, a criminal conviction will likely enhance the civil settlement as much information will be presented that is not yet available to the pending defendants. I would propose that those revelations to most certainly come into the record at trial will result in the filling of the pants of several 3ABN directors and their insurers. Remember that Adventist Risk Management will have a serious interest to assess any liability of denominational representatives to the 3ABN board over the years.
Interesting, interesting. So a criminal conviction would likely result in a larger civil settlement.
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Someone just pointed out to me that the previous posts I am referring to may not be known to all as they are spread out over different threads. To eliminate confusion, or to allow those who haven't read all here to catch up. The referred to posts are below.
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Who are you trying to help in case such negotiations are actually taking place? Has Mr. Simpson, the 3ABN attourney, authorized this posting of yours?
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Excellent question, Johann.
Yesir Myzing, would you care to answer that question?
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Who are you trying to help in case such negotiations are actually taking place? Has Mr. Simpson, the 3ABN attourney, authorized this posting of yours?
Excellent question, Johann.
Yesir Myzing, would you care to answer that question?
Don't be absurd. No one needs authorization to try and get to the truth by commenting on or for questioning public posts and claims, or for merely quoting posts for informational purposes.
FYI:
Re: Tommy...
Post Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:28 pm UTC
Bob Pickle
Re: Law suit is Imminent
« Reply #94 on: Today at 01:02:19 PM »
Quote from: Gailon Arthur Joy on Yesterday at 09:50:45 PM
In fact, a criminal conviction will likely enhance the civil settlement as much information will be presented that is not yet available to the pending defendants. I would propose that those revelations to most certainly come into the record at trial will result in the filling of the pants of several 3ABN directors and their insurers. Remember that Adventist Risk Management will have a serious interest to assess any liability of denominational representatives to the 3ABN board over the years.
Interesting, interesting. So a criminal conviction would likely result in a larger civil settlement.
No one but an idiot would fall for this line of thinking, imo... First "Adventist risk management", has nothing to do with employees, volunteers, officers or board members of independent ministries like 3ABN despite the bellicose blusters of Gailon Joy. The denomination never appointed nor hired any of them in that capacity, nor is it liable for them in that capacity, even if fault existed, which it doesn't.
Joy and Pickle, as usual, have missed the point.. A larger civil settlement, or any settlement from 3ABN or DS at all doesn't appear possible based on what has been made known and posted-- if that is even correct, and so much isn't.
If Alex and Adam have been telling the truth, then the tolling agreement regarding the filing of a civil case against 3ABN(including DS and the board) expires today, well before a criminal conviction or exoneration in the criminal case in VA is even possible as that case hasn't even commenced. That means no lawsuit can be filed against 3ABN after this. (After this includes after a "criminal conviction" --which itself is very doubtful.) And the fact is, if 3ABN hasn't settled since Alex and Dennis sent their letter of demand in July or August of 2010 demanding a settlement by the end of that month, and they didn't, and if they still haven't up till the end of the "alleged" tolling agreement today, and no civil case has been filed? Well sorry,3ABN accusers, but wishful thinking isn't reality, and the chances of 3ABN ever paying it's accusers money are... well... let's put it this way, they really are not good...
Seriously? You'd really rather question me about this than Alex? If so? I think you need to examine your focus and priorities...
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Tommy Defender/Yesir Mizing,
What evidence do you have that a tolling agreement expires today?
What evidence do you have that that would mean a lawsuit has to be filed by today?
What is the civil statute of limitations in IL?
What evidence do you have that Risk Management would not cover denominational employees on 3ABN's board?
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Tommy Defender/Yesir Mizing,
What evidence do you have that a tolling agreement expires today?
What evidence do you have that that would mean a lawsuit has to be filed by today?
Are you blind? The ONLY evidence posted about this is from Adam, Alex and All of you here. Are you saying that all of that as is quoted above in post 93 is lies, or is not evidence, Robert Jude Pickle? Look again. Others will I am sure.
What is the civil statute of limitations in IL?
You , imo, act as if you know all and you are the expert, so you educate us Robert Jude Pickle. Make sure to include "tolling agreements" and how that figures into it...
What evidence do you have that Risk Management would not cover denominational employees on 3ABN's board?
Again, you act as if you are the know it all and expert who can question all, so you tell us how conference insurance and risk management covers denominational employees in their private and independent acts and activities outside of their denominational employment, and appointments. If you have a link or reference I am sure all would like to see it to educate themselves.(including myself) If not, stop being absurd and pretending all have to prove their stand and claims except yourself...
I've wasted enough time here. Answer for others if you can. I'm not going to waste my time replying further, as in my experience it only spirals downward, and gets more futile and childish where you are concerned.
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This is ridiculous. There was no specific date given on the expiration of any "tolling agreement."
It's also ridiculous to say that there is no law suit pending, or any negotiations taking place.
It's also ridiculous to ask anyone to comment on things that you know they cannot.
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It is great having the GREAT SURMIZER back...and now we must make our case so the Master himself can see it in plain English!!! Or is it a mere waste!!! Because regardless of how logical and clear it is, well shall we say that he will have tremendous time SURMIZING the issues with any clarity!!!
Let's start with this: Greg Simpson has a fight on his hand. Are you sure he can tackle it? Um.... I don't think so. The best thing 3ABN and Danny Shelton could have done was settled with the victims. They chose the hard road.
Yes GREAT SURMIZER, it is your counsel that broke and ran for the hills, sharing his information with key players that must be included in any comprehensive and global structured settlement. And then to try one last time to prevent the inevitable publicity holocaust just in a nick of time, but forgot to bring his wallet, or should I say 3ABN and the Directors wallets. I am privileged to know that Manly and Anderson do not manage cases with less than eight figure potential. And eight figures (THATS TENS OF MILLIONS) it must be, but Simpson does not have those resources at his disposal at this moment.
Now, one would demand, and we will provide, point by point and day by day the basis for this outstanding value to a "non-denominational ministry" with serious financial stresses already evident as they beg nearly every break for more "love gifts".
Of course, do I not recall that your cabal once asserted that 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton had no liability on these matters? Well, we will not only revisit the history that lead to resounding liability but how they managed to involve the Illinois Conference, the Lake Union, the North American Division and even the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists and the immutable ASI and the ASI Mission Board. But, do you really want to hear it?
Coming one installment at a time, want it or not…and then we will propose how we get to a Comprehensive Global Structured Settlement!!! But none for you, Sir Mizer!!!
Great having you back, really builds the EGO to have a couple of great sparing partners.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Now, Mr Gregory,
Let’s go back and look at the results of your pacifist “victim” advocacy.
Let’s look at Linda Sue Shelton:
You repeatedly, and in tandem with the now “sainted” but disbarred Attorney Cindy, encouraged victim Linda take the “high road” and not get involved in litigation, an opportunity made available by DLS vs Joy, and later the absolutely outrageous conduct of 3ABN directors in Walla Walla, Washington.
She was assured that if she took the “high road” and avoided litigation she could rebuild a ministry in the church… a church in which, once blacklisted by the powerful ASI Mission Board, you are persona non-grata. Did you not consider this part of the equation in your victim advocacy?
Linda is now six years older, and facing retirements without a career or a retirement account, facing retirement with only her social security and her memories. She is now past the statute of limitations for all the 3ABN issues, the outrageous conduct of the Directors in Washington and is unlikely to recover much from DLS and his crafty financial find my money games. And rumor has it there are those determined to discourage even a book!!!
Yes, she is now a victim, not only of the perpetrators but those peaceniks “victim” advocates who filled her head with fear of the unknown and the value of pacifist inactivity guaranteed to leave her a loser and DLS a successful and unchallenged perpetrator. Accountability fades and DLS continues his shenanigans unchallenged, taking Linda’s legacy without a second thought.
Now, you would advocate the victims of Tommy Ray Shelton’s virulent activity protected by Danny Lee Shelton and the assets of 3ABN simply take their 20 pieces of silver and move on, once again vacating the accountability for Tommy Ray Shelton.
Yes, it is always easier to avoid conflict and seek “peace and safety” but in the process, there is and will be a social and community cost that is in-estimatible. And a delayed battle inevitably has a higher cost to society. It is why we have had the Stalins, Hitlers and Yamamoto’s and a cost of nearly 60 Million lives because we did not stop Hitler at the Rhine in 1936.
I reject as unprincipled the idea that victims take the money and run and let the tyrants live on. Stop them here and now!!! And forget “peace in our time”…it is impossible until the second coming and we are to be the “CHURCH MILITANT”, not the church pacifist!!!
I am frequently asked, “whose side is Gregory on???” and I can only reply that “I do not believe even he knows!!!”
And that is the view from here!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Seriously? You'd really rather question me about this than Alex? If so? I think you need to examine your focus and priorities...
You stated certain things as absolute facts, and it is clearly appropriate to question you as to those assertions, particularly since you, not Alex, made them.
Yet you refuse to give your evidence in support of your assertions, because, in all likelihood, you have none.
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Gailon said:
She was assured that if she took the “high road” and avoided litigation she could rebuild a ministry in the church… a church in which, once blacklisted by the powerful ASI Mission Board, you are persona non-grata. Did you not consider this part of the equation in your victim advocacy?
As to Linda, you clearly do not have the full story. As to what the full story is, at this time it still remains private between she and those who know and is not for publilcation.
Gailon said:
Now, you would advocate the victims of Tommy Ray Shelton’s virulent activity protected by Danny Lee Shelton and the assets of 3ABN simply take their 20 pieces of silver and move on, once again vacating the accountability for Tommy Ray Shelton.
Gailon, I advocate neither that they take the money aren run, nor that they go to trial. That is their decision and I have not advocated what they should do. I simply stated what could happen and you know that I tell the truth.
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Mr. Gregory,
I have heard enough of the whole story and seen sufficient (or was that insufficient) results that I can clearly appreciate why it "is not for publication". ut, let us be certain that it will make a great story in time!!! As far as I am concerned, it was a fine example of treachery!!!
My point remains that the "fear" of purportedly making people "victims" again by fulfilling the societal requirement for accountability results in the victim being victimized by the timid counselor and remains uncompensated for the damages, but most importantly, leaves the perpetrator unaccountable and assuming he can ALWAYS get away with it...and becomes a repeat offender. Your position has facilitated just such a result and your "victim advocacy" is designed to keep victims as victims and not victorious in their need to hold the miscreants accountable and I would recommend you abandon the concept.
THAT is the NET RESULT of psychotherapeutic victimology, better known as liberal pablum, and should be abandoned!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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As for you, Alex, given your religious background and given your duty to man and God, it is reprehensible for you to consider such an option and allow this predator to avoid accountability in exchange for 20 pieces of silver!!! ...
I trust my point is clear, I have nothing but contempt for those who would even consider a short-cut and the taking of 20 pieces of silver and resulting in the failure to bring accountability to a sexual predator that has evaded punishment and accountability these many years, largely with the help of brother Danny Lee Shelton, et al. Do you wish to now join the enablers?
I trust the answer is: Nay Never, and you will stand for principal first!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
A question to consider: If a TS supporter had made a similar statement to one of the victims, would they be accused of witness intimidation?
The enablers, Mr Gregory, would be the victims that allowed Tommy Ray Shelton to, once again, evade accountability.
We have a judge that has denied a plea bargain because it did not include jail time...a preosecutor who has now gone
to great lengths to prepare for a trial on the merits, many witnesses that have agreed or been called to testify, and
the victims, who were the parties to press the issue, now want their 20 peices of Silver and move on, without regard to their civic and social responsibilities?
I thought that the victims and their counsel would have more principles than that!!!
I have no question that the potential defendants and their "current counsel" have every interest in avoiding a head on
civil litigation case and would greatly benefit from a comprehensive and global resolution through a structured settlement, but that does not absolve the victims of the duty to see Tommy Ray Shelton have accountability...after all, we all well know that he will not shoulder the first farthing of any structured settlement, but rather various directors, insurers and contributors.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
How did this start as a hypothetical scenario and turn into what sounds like statements of fact (i.e. ...the victims... now want their 20 peices of Silver and move on, without regard to their civic and social responsibilities?)? Where is the evidence that the victims have no regard to their civic and social responsibilities? Please cease your attack of the victims!
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It is clear you must just keep wondering whether the scenario is fact or fiction, but,
MY POSITION IS UNWAVERING ON THE PRINCIPLE...and it will be a very cold day in hades before I change my mind and would bet that MOST citizens of any repute would subscribe to the very clear philosophy.
If the expression of this most fundemental of principles is considered an "attack on the victims", I so declare it to be, but my guess is the victims would claim to have more principles than you care to grant them.
The question will remain open and undetermined at this point as to the principles of their attorneys!!! But, my guess would be the value of a formal conviction outweighs the value of a rushed settlement quite considerably.
In the interim, you are left to keep "just wondering" !!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I would suggest we allow the victims to make up their own minds on the matter. I am confident they are well capable of doing so!!!!
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I would suggest we allow the victims to make up their own minds on the matter. I am confident they are well capable of doing so!!!!
No surrogate decisions???
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A question to consider: If a TS supporter had made a similar statement to one of the victims, would they be accused of witness intimidation?
There are statutes criminalizing certain attempts to "encourage" a witness not to testify against a criminal. I have never heard of any statutes criminalizing attempts to encourage a witness to testify against a criminal.
So in our society, the two are not the same, probably much to the chagrin of the Mafia, and probably much to the chagrin of Danny Shelton.
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I would suggest we allow the victims to make up their own minds on the matter. I am confident they are well capable of doing so!!!!
On matters of principle the victims can most certainly "make up their own minds" but the principle does not change. Victims can elect to adopt and make the principles a part of their lives or they can reject them. After all, everyone has their price. And most lawyers are readily for sale for the right price!!!
However, like it or not, WE do not have to accept, approve or in any way condone the abandonment of principle from perpetrators or victims.
But, at the end of the day, the victims have to live with THEIR DECISION, we just get to protest and petition.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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A question to consider: If a TS supporter had made a similar statement to one of the victims, would they be accused of witness intimidation?
There are statutes criminalizing certain attempts to "encourage" a witness not to testify against a criminal. I have never heard of any statutes criminalizing attempts to encourage a witness to testify against a criminal.
So in our society, the two are not the same, probably much to the chagrin of the Mafia, and probably much to the chagrin of Danny Shelton.
GREAT POINT!!! Here, here!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Seems like there is a very important issue in a decision made in this case:
Danny Shelton appears to be using money to quite an extent to silence his opponents. If he and his cohorts manage to to silence the victims in such an important case, then he has won the case as both he and his admirers might then be saying:
- See we won! There actually was no case. We are innocent. There are no victims!
Is this what the victims want?
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Quoting an answer which was posted to this.
Seems like there is a very important issue in a decision made in this case:
Danny Shelton appears to be using money to quite an extent to silence his opponents. If he and his cohorts manage to to silence the victims in such an important case, then he has won the case as both he and his admirers might then be saying:
- See we won! There actually was no case. We are innocent. There are no victims!
Is this what the victims want?
"The author of this post is offbase here. First there is not evidence one that DS has ever used money to silence any opponent. But moving on... They seem to have forgotten that most of us here while understanding why TS accepted the initial plea bargain in the criminal case, did not agree with it. Most, but not all, while having every sympathy, and while understanding his reasons; the expense and extreme inconvenience of having to live out of state and not being able to return home while the case drug out. Medical crisis of a life threatening nature for both he and his wife, and his ongoing health problems where it was, and is still, unclear if he will even live to see the end of the case. The huge amount of money it had already taken, and the additional amount it would still take to mount a proper defense -- causing him to have to put up his home , to lose his retirement, leaving him without means or a way to support or provide for his family after it was all over, whether he was convicted or vindicated... still thought the better choice was to go to trial. I was talking to a dear friend yesterday and she, like me, still believes that. We are called to walk by faith rather than by sight, and we should never walk in fear, for that brings torment, and God, who is love, pefect love, casts out all fear, right?
Tommy, it is apparent believes that too now. Alex posted about him being offered another plea bargain, but Tommy would not accept it, one of our members here shared that Tommy has rejected all plea bargains offered and he is intent on defending himself and seeing this through to the end now.
He is trusting in God to make all known and bring His will about, trusting in God to establish the truth and expose the lies and bring true justice for all. Trusting in God to preserve his and his wife's health, and see them through this and to continue to provide for their needs in the future. That is my prayer too, I believe if we step out in faith trusting in God he will take our hand and lead, and even carry us close to his heart when we feel too weak to continue but are still clinging to him and holding on. He is an awesome God.
Anyway, if anyone is not wanting to go to trial or to testify here, it is not the accused. It is not those who have defended 3ABN or Danny. Point the finger where it belongs ---> at the accusers. It is they who have offered, and are still offering excuses and reasons for why they might not testify. Yet there is NO settlement, and no agreements or conditions saying they can't. I have done searches for any civil case filed, I first searched Chicago as Adam claimed it would be filed there, and Alex claimed he was waiting to read the complaint, then I searched nationwide, but despite the threats of a lawsuit if 3ABN didn't pay them money, and the alleged end of the tolling agreement which they claimed determined the lawsuit HAD TO BE FILED by the end of Feb, as of this AM, none are filed. NONE.
Danny bought them off, or is trying to? NOT. 3ABN didn't approach them and try to make any deals! It is they who approached 3ABN and DS 6 mos ago saying[size=150] "pay us or else"[/size]. And for 6 mos, 3ABN hasn't accepted any deal. If 3ABN had agreed it would already have been a done deal, but obviously they haven't as now the tolling agreement has come to an end, and the criminal trial is due to begin in a few weeks, and no civil case has been filed despite there being no settlement made, so let's call things what they are. Attempted extortion, and cold feet on the part of the accusers whose bluff has been called.
Accusers,who know they are in deep doo doo. Accusers who's subsequent testimony impeaches their first testimony, and who waxed eloquent in their victim impact statements when they thought the plea bargain a done deal and themselves and that beyond being questioned or examined, but now are gonna be called to account for the lies they added to the rest. In Alex's case, he went from claiming Tommy "only touched me", and all incidents were on bike rides, to a very graphic and sick accusation that went far beyond that which was allegedly in the Church of God kitchen. He added that he was groomed by TS while he was growing up and Tommy involved himself in his family and life. His family, both parents, and brother have already said this is a lie, and that Alex and Tommy were never even in the same state, nor around one another then, and that Tommy was never part of their lives much more, Tommy was never around Alex and never part of Alex's life. He said he had to go to counseling for his anger issues from being molested by Tommy when a child, his family says No, his counseling was about his other ongoing issues and anger all predating the one summer he was actually around Tommy. He claimed he was left alone by his brother with Tommy at various times that summer, they say no we never did that, so that can't be true. He added another accusation claiming Tommy was instrumental in getting him a job at 3ABN another summer so he could further molest him. But he did not work with Tommy, and Tommy did not get him the job, and all testimony from all rebuts this. Even Linda Shelton who Alex claimed would testify and help him, as reported by Adam- won't.
His family already gave statements about him having a history of threatening to sue others while actually never doing so, trying to get money , and a history of hurting others to benefit by it. His mom said the same to the Judge and how hard it was for her to have to say anything. His Dad stated he believed that Alex was led by 3ABN's accusers to think he could get money for making his false accusations and that is the only reason he was involved, yet now, the accusers are finding fault with Alex and don't understand why it is being suggested by Adam that he would take money and not want to, or refuse to, or be forbidden to, testify or go to trial? Answer: There is no agreement about that, or dictating that. No settlement at this time. That's just excuses, and damage control. Alex always wanted money and never wanted to go to trial. Wake up.
Alex, imo, has reason to not want this to go to trial, while Tommy has every reason to want it to...
May God's will be done here.
(documentation for every peice of evidence repeated here is in this thread for those who want to review all)"[/quote]
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Yesir Myzing, I have a question for you.
Quoting an answer which was posted to this.
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"The author of this post is offbase here. First there is not evidence one that DS has ever used money to silence any opponent.
Is the person who wrote this ignorant or a liar? Please answer.
Anyone who has followed the Danny Shelton corruption scandal knows that Danny used 3ABN money to silence Linda Shelton using a one-way gag order.
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And my reply to Cindy's post:
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Ayuh, and Amen to "May God's will be done here". I may copy the previous post over there...
Mr Joy appears to be banking on 8 figure payoffs and big name attorneys according to his post there, and is maybe hoping this will impress some and intimidate others? Regardless, God is in control. Joy posted:
Let's start with this: [quoting Adam]Greg Simpson has a fight on his hand. Are you sure he can tackle it? Um.... I don't think so. The best thing 3ABN and Danny Shelton could have done was settled with the victims. They chose the hard road. Yes GREAT SURMIZER, it is your counsel that broke and ran for the hills, sharing his information with key players that must be included in any comprehensive and global structured settlement. And then to try one last time to prevent the inevitable publicity holocaust just in a nick of time, but forgot to bring his wallet, or should I say 3ABN and the Directors wallets.
It appears there has been no payoff or settlement then, doesn't it? (Actually, it's a fact, there is NOT.) I personally don't believe 3ABN would ever even agree to settle due to false accusations. I understand that many settle as it's often less expensive then litigation, but I happen to think and believe money shouldn't rule over principle. If 3ABN settled, I'd have to bow out of any further discussions or defense of them, but as I said I don't believe they would do that and I'd be very surprised.shocked, and disappointed if that ever becomes necessary.
Mr Joy continues:
I am privileged to know that Manly and Anderson do not manage cases with less than eight figure potential. And eight figures (THATS TENS OF MILLIONS) it must be, but Simpson does not have those resources at his disposal at this moment.
The thing is, I don't happen to put much stock in this, or to believe Manly and Anderson are thinking this case is gonna bag tens of millions, as Joy does. Somebody (??) obviously paid big bucks to retain Manly and Anderson, which they obviously accepted, but they seem to have bigger fish to fry imo, and have passed the case on so to speak.
The deal about Alex and Dennis' Attorneys is that first they had John Manly- big name lawyer specializing in child molestation cases, from California, then according to Pickle:
Meet Jeff Anderson and Associates, PA, the law firm who it is my understanding will be handling the case in Illinois against Danny Shelton and 3ABN. http://andersonadvocates.com/default.aspx
and alex explained in response:
Just to be clear: Jeff Anderson and his associates was retained by my attorney's at Manly and Stewart. They will be working along side John Manly from California and his staff.
They will be representing Myself and the other victim in our case against Danny Shelton and 3ABN.
Anderson is from Pickle's state, Minnesota, and also involved in high profile cases against the Vatican etc and specializing in child molestation cases mostly, but is not as big or well known as Manly. He obviously wasn't as expensive either, as somebody (?) paid Manly the big bucks so that he could afford to retain Jeff Anderson and assoc, and still make a profit...
Anderson also declined to take on the case personally and passed it on so to speak.
I went to Jeff Anderson's website above and although he has a stellar list of Attorneys with excellent credentials and case histories, he passed the case on to the only peon on his staff, and the lowest on the totem pole. According to his site she graduated 2 years ago and although she has good educational references, she has no experience as far as case histories listed there. If she had, they'd list them, I'm sure...
Quote from: Alex L. Walker on December 23, 2010, 02:26:32 PM
This announcement will come as early as two weeks from now. No later than the end of January. Smiley
Quote from: Chrissie on January 01, 2011, 09:04:00 AM
Sounds like it won't be such a 'Happy New Year' for some?
I'm afraid not. Jeff Anderson has assigned Sarah Odegaard one of his attorney's to get the case together.
Here is her Bio:
A passionate advocate for survivors of sexual abuse, Sarah graduated with honors from the University of Minnesota Law School. During law school, Sarah served as a judicial extern for the Honorable Sandra L. Margulies in the California Court of Appeal. She also worked as a summer associate at a preeminent plaintiff’s firm in San Francisco and as a student attorney in the University of Minnesota Law School Civil Litigation Clinic.
Between college and law school, Sarah worked as an AmeriCorps member at Admission Possible, a Twin Cities-based non-profit that helps low income students earn admission to and succeed in college. Sarah graduated with honors from Macalester College, earning a Bachelor of Arts in Urban Studies and Economics.
Sarah Odegaard Bar Admissions:
Minnesota, 2010
California, 2009
U.S. District Court Northern District of California, 2009
U.S. District Court District of Minnesota, 2010
I'm not putting her down, I am sure she is well educated, and qualified. I am just saying she lacks experience, and in my opinion, you don't assign a rookie to an important case. It appears the case against Tommy, and 3ABN is not as noteworthy or on as grand a scale as Joy claims, and would like it to be, at least in the eyes of the attorneys retained, but each is entitled to their own opinion. /quote
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Yesir Myzing, I have a question for you.
Quoting an answer which was posted to this.
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"The author of this post is offbase here. First there is not evidence one that DS has ever used money to silence any opponent.
Is the person who wrote this ignorant or a liar? Please answer.
Anyone who has followed the Danny Shelton corruption scandal knows that Danny used 3ABN money to silence Linda Shelton using a one-way gag order.
While anyone who is in business or understands business law or has an ounce of intelligence or bothers to ask anyone who does knows that Non-Disparagement Provisions in Separation Agreements are common practice, and are forced on none and it was the board who was instrumental in severing Linda's employment and for making the very generous agreement with their ex employee and board member, and it has not stopped her from taking Danny to court and from saying anything she chooses there while trying to gain more money, nor from saying whatever she likes to Johann or any other who repeat it all ad nauseum... Nor did it stop Pickle and Joy from trying to add her as a co- litigant in the lawsuit against them while claiming she was one of the main sources of their accusations and libel.... Moving on and leaving Pickle again to his petty off topic arguments...
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Yesir Myzing, you sure do a lot of surmising, thus proving that your username is a lie.
I asked you a very specific question: Is the person you quoted from a liar or ignorant? Please answer!
Danny Shelton used 3ABN money to muzzle Linda Shelton, and told her that she would have to return all the payments she had already gotten if she wanted to defend herself at the church trial John Lomancang was orchestrating. Meanwhile, the non-disparagement clause didn't muzzle Danny.
How dare Danny Shelton stoop so low as to forbid his soon-to-be ex-wife from saying anything negative about him, using 3ABN money to do it.
Danny Shelton should do the right thing and repay 3ABN for the fair market value of muzzling Linda from saying anything negative about him personally.
And he should repay 3ABN for his share of the lawsuit against us. It is wrong for him to use 3ABN money to try to muzzle us using a lawsuit in which he is a party as an individual, not as president.
How many millions of dollars has Danny Shelton siphoned away from 3ABN for his own personal benefit?
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I'm not putting her down, I am sure she is well educated, and qualified. I am just saying she lacks experience, and in my opinion, you don't assign a rookie to an important case. It appears the case against Tommy, and 3ABN is not as noteworthy or on as grand a scale as Joy claims, and would like it to be, at least in the eyes of the attorneys retained, but each is entitled to their own opinion.
Yesir Myzing, the case against admitted pedophile Tommy Ray Shelton has been fairly well laid out for a long time. What risk could there possibly be in allowing a new attorney to handle a bit of the work?
On the other hand, why did Duffy hand off the case against us to Hayes and then Simpson?
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I would suggest we allow the victims to make up their own minds on the matter. I am confident they are well capable of doing so!!!!
No surrogate decisions???
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As I stated they are very capable of making their own decisions! I am sure their attorney's will advise them in what is in the best interest for them.
As for the statue of limitations- has no one thought maybe such an agreement was extended? This talk of the statue having ran out is just stupid.
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As I stated they are very capable of making their own decisions! I am sure their attorney's will advise them in what is in the best interest for them.
As for the statue of limitations- has no one thought maybe such an agreement was extended? This talk of the statue having ran out is just stupid.
Wow! I never thought I would see myself type this, but I agree with Nosir Myzing. You are the one who said a lawsuit had to filed by the end of February because the tolling agreement would expire.
You are also the one who started this thread on January 21 - that a lawsuit is intimate imminent. Yet now you are hollering because there is no lawsuit, but instead settlement talks, and people are calling you on it.
You also appear to know an awful lot about this case even though you are not a party to it, "Adam". Things that make you go hhmm...
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As for the statue of limitations- has no one thought maybe such an agreement was extended?
Why would it need to be? To my knowledge, in Illinois, it's 10 years after someone turns 18, at the earliest. Somehow I recall that Alex isn't that old, and won't be for some time.
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Let me correct a misconception that only years of wisdom and working as a consultant to more than a dozen lawfirms has become etched in stone...lawfirms are not non-profits, nor are they social workers and they will usually sell the client on what they want the client to do, regardless of the clients best interest, but definitely to the benefit of the lawfirms bottom line.
Any Attorney will usually include a second opinion clause in their contracts or at the very least suggest that a client have another attorney look at the contract or settlement offer before they sign it. This is designed as a disarming tactic to make the client believe they do have the clients best interest at heart, when in reality the firm's cash-flow and time clock are the primary considerations...as a rule, the faster you achieve a settlement the more money per hour the firm makes.
Want to see a lawfirm go ballistic???...Take the firm up on the second opinion option and tell them they want a second opinion before they sign any agreement...most lawyers will be sweating bullets and praying the client does not upset the apple cart with a second opinion. I have even seen lawyers through the client under the bus and set themselves up for malpractice claims the minute they realize their own credibility is at stake. On just recently went to malpractice counsel because the Closing atty forgot to include the past due taxes on a settlement statement and the client signed a waiver to FNMA, the foreclosed property owner. This resulted in a second opinion that noticed the atty, who represented the bank, had included a fee of $500 to represent the buyer and included buyers title coverage. A review of the line of title opened up another can of worms when it was clear that the party that actually owned the loan was not the party that foreclosed, meaning she did not have a clear title. The $2,700 in past due taxes became a secondary issue...I can assure you, the closing attorney wishes he had been bright enough to simply pay for the error (had a $5,000 deductible on his errors and omissions coverage) and save himself loads of problems from a suite for unfair and deceptive, breach of fiduciary duty, defective title and a host of additional charges to deal with, not to mention a bar complaint for conflict of interest undisclosed to the client.
So, Adam, don't count on that capability because it is based upon the purity of "clients best interest" and the soundness of the advise given...one is left to carefully weigh the issues, including the ramifications of settling way too early and playing enabler for a miscreant pedophile!!!
Then also, we must consider that we all must ultimately be accountable to our creator, regardless of the legal advise!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
As I stated they are very capable of making their own decisions! I am sure their attorney's will advise them in what is in the best interest for them.
As for the statue of limitations- has no one thought maybe such an agreement was extended? This talk of the statue having ran out is just stupid.
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And the best part...it isn't even his own money...the best utilization of OPM I have ever seen, particularly in the world of Adventism...PT Barnum said it nicely...there is a sucker born every minute.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Seems like there is a very important issue in a decision made in this case:
Danny Shelton appears to be using money to quite an extent to silence his opponents. If he and his cohorts manage to to silence the victims in such an important case, then he has won the case as both he and his admirers might then be saying:
- See we won! There actually was no case. We are innocent. There are no victims!
Is this what the victims want?
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And the best part...it isn't even his own money...the best utilization of OPM I have ever seen, particularly in the world of Adventism...PT Barnum said it nicely...there is a sucker born every minute.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Seems like there is a very important issue in a decision made in this case:
Danny Shelton appears to be using money to quite an extent to silence his opponents. If he and his cohorts manage to to silence the victims in such an important case, then he has won the case as both he and his admirers might then be saying:
- See we won! There actually was no case. We are innocent. There are no victims!
Is this what the victims want?
Ah - effective OPM utilization results in an infinite ROOPI...!! I guess just about anybody can be bought...
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From Sir Mizers post #114:
"Alex, imo, has reason to not want this to go to trial, while Tommy has every reason to want it to...
May God's will be done here."
So, SIr Mizer, apparently someone had let you in on the entire case file, given you access to all the evidence to be presented at trial, further given you a synopsis of the fine criminal case law arguments, a quickie brief on the rules of evidence and apparently even allowed you a "look see" at the attorneys' work product and YOU have determined that the Chief Judge of the Circuit Court in Virginia is a blithering idiot!!!
Get it through that thick skull with blinders...TOMMY RAY SHELTON IS GOING TO JAIL if he goes to trial. The evidence is so overwhelming the Judge declined a plea bargain and pushed the State into a trial on the merits, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO JAIL-TIME AS PART OF THE PLEA!!!
Read between the lines, chief of SURMIZING, not even Jerry Spence could nullify this jury...given the weight of the evidence and the "records", medical and otherwise...shall we suggest that he show up with his dop kit and tooth brush at the sentencing???
I am actually embarrassed for YOU!!! I have never seen you quite this DELUSIONAL!!!
I must ask, did you let Danny Lee Shelton at your ISP again??? Only DLS could be this blindly delusional!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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This gets more comical. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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This gets more comical. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Agreed. Thanks for contributing!!
It is looking like this thread was started just to get attention, or maybe money.
Credibility is being called in to question...
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Here comes da judge!!! Tick, tick, tick!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Here's the quote of the post that started this thread back in January.
Any further updates?
Sources have told me that the law suit against Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN should be filed as early as next week. My understanding is this will be filed in Chicago, Illinois.
Jeff Anderson will lead the charge in the objective along with Sarah Odegaard. They will be working with the attorney's from Manly and Stewart of California; John C. Manly (head atty) Vince W. Finaldi, and Michael Reck.
Should be interesting.
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Key members of the litigation team are chasing down and questioning Irish Arch Bishops to develop proof that the Irish Catholic Church exported Pedophilic Priests to the United states. Those nine figure cases naturally take precedence over mid eight figure cases.
However, be careful what you wish for...they will all be back soon and the news cycle is excellent as well...Japan is back page news, Lybia is no news at all, the first phase of the budget battle is much ado about nuttin!!! And they could follow on Mitch Garabedian's recent filing against the Christian Summer Camp of Senator Scott Brown fame (Brown, a victim, is not a plaintiff). So, it is prime time for D-day, H-hour and I predict a launch by the Flamboyant John Manly and the Justice seeking Jeff Anderson within the next ten days...but then 3ABN could make a last ditch shot at a settlement, but doubt they have the will or common sense to pursue such a logical tact.
I would bet that litigation is inevitable and imminent. As to the content it will most likely be very similar to the LA Archdioces claims which include racketeering claims. And Ken Denslow that has found it essential to slander Linda at the NAD level will soon wish he had shut his mouth, plugged his ears and put on blinders...but alas, he is not INNOCENT but emminently guillty of being a co-conspirator...some fools never learn to shut their mouth or voice oputlandish accusations...careful Mr Denslow (not worthy of the title "elder") as those who live in glass homes should not throw stones!!!
With at least two to launch, one must wonder just how many other victims will jump on the proverbial band-wagon, real and imaginary. within the first year. I know of at least 22 with alleged claims and we were not convinced we had found all the victims. And Denslow still thinks it is all Linda's fault...LOOK IN THE MIRROR and then dig out that BJ Christiansen file...wake up and smell the roses!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Here's the quote of the post that started this thread back in January.
Any further updates?
Sources have told me that the law suit against Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN should be filed as early as next week. My understanding is this will be filed in Chicago, Illinois.
Jeff Anderson will lead the charge in the objective along with Sarah Odegaard. They will be working with the attorney's from Manly and Stewart of California; John C. Manly (head atty) Vince W. Finaldi, and Michael Reck.
Should be interesting.
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And Ken Denslow that has found it essential to slander Linda at the NAD level will soon wish he had shut his mouth...
Interesting!
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Any more details regarding this?
And Ken Denslow that has found it essential to slander Linda at the NAD level will soon wish he had shut his mouth...
Interesting!
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Are you looking for details on parties??? Yes, Jackson, your old Union President chose VERY POORLY...Denslow will definitely be impacted. He lives in a see no evil, hear no evil, but say what you want administrative role that simply closed his eyes, plugged his ears and spoke without serious authority.
If he is being prepped for a Union Office, I would suggest they send him back to pastoral duties...in Siberia!!! Of course, the Russians can be a bit tougher on Racketerring than we are...but who's counting!!!
Is that what you were looking for???
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Tipping off 3ABN to the IRS criminal investigation was unwise.
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Tipping off 3ABN to the IRS criminal investigation was unwise.
Who tipped who off to what??
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Tipping off 3ABN to the IRS criminal investigation was unwise.
Did Ken Denslow do that?
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Time to pack it up and go home!!! The battle... and the war...is over; Now we must turn guns into plow shares and get on with life...c'est la vie!!!
Gailon Arthur joy
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I take it something definitive has occurred?
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Oh c'mon, GAJ! Don't do the cliffhanger thing again! :rabbit:
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Time to pack it up and go home!!! The battle... and the war...is over; Now we must turn guns into plow shares and get on with life...c'est la vie!!!
Gailon Arthur joy
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Even though you have posted things that I did not agree with, I can say "you are able to hang your head high after that statement'
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By the way, if anyone was watching HOPE TV last weekk-end, they got to see the real Stan. He was in an interview segment.
GM
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Meaning?????
Time to pack it up and go home!!! The battle... and the war...is over; Now we must turn guns into plow shares and get on with life...c'est la vie!!!
Gailon Arthur joy
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Meaning?????
Time to pack it up and go home!!! The battle... and the war...is over; Now we must turn guns into plow shares and get on with life...c'est la vie!!!
Gailon Arthur joy
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Guess we have to wait 30 more days to see what happens.
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Ok?!!!
Oh c'mon, GAJ! Don't do the cliffhanger thing again! :rabbit:
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By the way, if anyone was watching HOPE TV last weekk-end, they got to see the real Stan. He was in an interview segment.
GM
Thanks
I am frankly amazed at how many people saw that, Hope Channel has a huge following.
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Hmmm, they do? I wonder why? Could it be they cater to the people's liberal desires? Of course we are now in the progressive atmosphere! Especially the Gaither act a likes. Drumming heart strings, rocking to and fro, Jive, handclapping for their own performing, jazz and whatever clicks their clicker. strapless attire, their bubbles, bangles, beads, rings and things and pants and banshee hair cuts men and women, dyed hair, locks bleached accentuated by red highlights from the flashing studio lighting , flirting it world wide for the signal against the Holy Spirit that gave direction with no confusion to the voice of the remnant. Some good things but very little here and there but the extent is serving its last day liberalism of mans own desires and opinions. Even to the fact that this would happen. Problem is Adventist no longer accept the SOP in bigger circles. It is amazing to watch what I read. That is why I am a believer of EGW being a messenger. The foundation is being destroyed by the liberal evolutionist and these ungodly "self" opinionated "food for the worms" individuals.
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Tinka, please take this in the loving christian love it is being given and think and pray about this before you respond.
The problem is not them, whatever they are or are not wearing, their hairstyle color or lack thereof. It is not the rhythm of the music, nor the demonstrative manner of the singer/preacher. There is, however, a serious problem when the enemy can so distract our attention with the "outward appearances"(something that is not a priorty to God. See below.), that we miss whatever blessing God has in store for us through word or song. It is something like rebellion, telling God that you[general] will only hear Him if it comes in this certain package. We place our own spiritual growth, as well as those to whom we are witnessing, in jeopardy when we place so much focus upon the superficial.
1.1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
Hmmm, they do? I wonder why? Could it be they cater to the people's liberal desires? Of course we are now in the progressive atmosphere! Especially the Gaither act a likes. Drumming heart strings, rocking to and fro, Jive, handclapping for their own performing, jazz and whatever clicks their clicker. strapless attire, their bubbles, bangles, beads, rings and things and pants and banshee hair cuts men and women, dyed hair, locks bleached accentuated by red highlights from the flashing studio lighting , flirting it world wide for the signal against the Holy Spirit that gave direction with no confusion to the voice of the remnant. Some good things but very little here and there but the extent is serving its last day liberalism of mans own desires and opinions. Even to the fact that this would happen. Problem is Adventist no longer accept the SOP in bigger circles. It is amazing to watch what I read. That is why I am a believer of EGW being a messenger. The foundation is being destroyed by the liberal evolutionist and these ungodly "self" opinionated "food for the worms" individuals.
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Princess,
It is obvious that some have concerns about the striking down of Creation, but that is not the only foundational striking down of the SDA "organizational" church that the devil hits. What is plain to view with no conscience at all is "Lifestyle" that also is important that I yak about. Creation is very easy for believers to syphon out immediately, its the creepy, crawly things that squeeze in every inch left open and then these great so called TV nationwide SDA or 3abn channels exploit the evil within. I look at it like giving wrong signals to the weaker until it cost them their souls. Creation, Lifestyle, Insipid dishes,State of the dead, Commandments, Anger against the SOP, all have their deadly accounts well acknowledged in the years of observance. Again, I totally understand the reasonable writings of EGW. We have two observances here. The Bible claim is to avoid all appearances of evil and the people act with "keeping up with appearances." Pretty simple to me. Of course I have studied all the books, underlined, outlines and found nothing out of context by what context she was writing in. I felt it my responsibility to understand the last message given for the foundation if I intended to live with Jesus in Eternity. It is my nature to know everything about the One that Created me. It is also amazing that her style that convinced me was the same as the Bible was written. In the end of studying that thorough of EGW, I found all in exact sequence of the most revealing circles that came together for truth and matching the Bible. I am quite thankful for those truths. Just listened to Ken Cox on his 144,000. I thought he started out well with a verse that EGW started out and then it went into another possible version about the 12 personalities. I am sure some of that is right in a round about way but I prefer to look closer to the Story of Redemption book where it gives no confusion leading into that particular doctrine of 144,000. I really was not looking for the issue as always taught not to go there. But after all the years it took and looking at sequence, fact and history it came floating in clear as a bell. so Jesus and I have an understanding that he will not let me believe a lie but give it to me straight if I search. I am confident of truth and that is why I have a lot to say about the trampling and disregard for it displayed nationwide and worldwide. The most amazing thing after the Holy Spirit opened up one word understanding of verbage to me that I read for years over and over knowing something I was not seeing and then finally it was shown...and the rest matched.
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I am confused. On January 21 we were told that a lawsuit was going to be filed, perhaps as early as the following week.
That was followed later by a post from GAJ which metamorphicly told us the time had come to turn our swords into plows.
Does anyone know what is really happening?
Or is all of the information comming from those who read tea leaves and commulnicate with crystal balls?
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It is perhaps customary for settlement negotiations to occur before a lawsuit is filed, which of course could delay the lawsuit being filed. By such a delay the plaintiffs could come out ahead by saving litigation expense, and the defendants could come out ahead by avoiding some ugly publicity, if a settlement is reached without filing suit.
Of course, only those personally present during negotiations would know everything going on, but even they might not know the private, unspoken stratagems within one or another attorney's mind, particularly that of an attorney on an opposing side. So for those further removed, there will always be a degree of uncertainty.
Judging from the following, perhaps one might conclude that Gailon's assessment was premature:
Meaning?????
Time to pack it up and go home!!! The battle... and the war...is over; Now we must turn guns into plow shares and get on with life...c'est la vie!!!
Guess we have to wait 30 more days to see what happens.
If it's not a done deal yet, then it's not all over yet.
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I have a notion this could be the best explanation available right now
It is perhaps customary for settlement negotiations to occur before a lawsuit is filed, which of course could delay the lawsuit being filed. By such a delay the plaintiffs could come out ahead by saving litigation expense, and the defendants could come out ahead by avoiding some ugly publicity, if a settlement is reached without filing suit.
Of course, only those personally present during negotiations would know everything going on, but even they might not know the private, unspoken stratagems within one or another attorney's mind, particularly that of an attorney on an opposing side. So for those further removed, there will always be a degree of uncertainty.
Judging from the following, perhaps one might conclude that Gailon's assessment was premature:
Meaning?????
Time to pack it up and go home!!! The battle... and the war...is over; Now we must turn guns into plow shares and get on with life...c'est la vie!!!
Guess we have to wait 30 more days to see what happens.
If it's not a done deal yet, then it's not all over yet.
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It is perhaps customary for settlement negotiations to occur before a lawsuit is filed, which of course could delay the lawsuit being filed. By such a delay the plaintiffs could come out ahead by saving litigation expense, and the defendants could come out ahead by avoiding some ugly publicity, if a settlement is reached without filing suit
Any yahoo reading here knows you guys were talking about a guaranteed 8 or 9 figure settlement with lawyers of this caliber and claiming that they didn't take a case for less than that and knows that litigation costs aren't near so expensive... so to be fair one one should also consider that the plaintiffs could have filed months ago and wonder why they haven't if they have evidence and a strong case ?? and why Adam posted they need 30 more days???
Also to be equally fair one must consider that the defendants could come out ahead by saving litigation expense, and the plaintiffs could avoid some ugly publicity if a settlement is reached without filing suit. Do try to at least appear to be unbiased,and fair, Robert....
Of course, only those personally present during negotiations would know everything going on, but even they might not know the private, unspoken stratagems within one or another attorney's mind, particularly that of an attorney on an opposing side. So for those further removed, there will always be a degree of uncertainty.
Judging from the following, perhaps one might conclude that Gailon's assessment was premature:
And judging by what you posted, one might conclude that you wouldn't know if his assessment is premature or what's going on either, Robert, so we should probably wait and see what happens before speaking further, right?
Meaning?????
Time to pack it up and go home!!! The battle... and the war...is over; Now we must turn guns into plow shares and get on with life...c'est la vie!!!
Guess we have to wait 30 more days to see what happens.
If it's not a done deal yet, then it's not all over yet.
True, so why don't you just wait and see what happens with the rest of us, Robert?
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May 17th is the deadline. Either a day of gloom for some, or a day of victory for others. :)
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Or a day to begin yet another delay.
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Or a day to begin yet another delay.
Doubtful.
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Or a day to begin yet another delay.
Yup.
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You are already assured that will be a day of celebration for millions of people. It happens to be the national holiday of Norway, celebrated like July 4 in USA.
May 17th is the deadline. Either a day of gloom for some, or a day of victory for others. :)
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Or a day to begin yet another delay.
Doubtful.
I would hope so. But then, I'm not privy to the attorneys' strategy, so I don't know. At this point it wouldn't surprise me if there was another delay, but I would hope there wouldn't be another delay.
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Gregory, I am with you. I came here today to ask the meaning of all these riddles, but you had already posted this. GJ gave his riddle, then cut and ran. What is going on?!
I am confused. On January 21 we were told that a lawsuit was going to be filed, perhaps as early as the following week.
That was followed later by a post from GAJ which metamorphicly told us the time had come to turn our swords into plows.
Does anyone know what is really happening?
Or is all of the information comming from those who read tea leaves and commulnicate with crystal balls?
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Maybe one should call Jim Gilley and Danny Shelton? They may have answers as to the hold up!
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Maybe one should call Jim Gilley and Danny Shelton? They may have answers as to the hold up!
That is absurd. Like they are really going to answer a caller's questions about the "pending litigation".
People want to know what is going on, so if you have information you want to share then do so. But quit with the games. I recently removed an entire thread you started because you did not follow through on your own commitment to provide proof.
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Maybe one should call Jim Gilley and Danny Shelton? They may have answers as to the hold up!
That is absurd. Like they are really going to answer a caller's questions about the "pending litigation".
People want to know what is going on, so if you have information you want to share then do so. But quit with the games. I recently removed an entire thread you started because you did not follow through on your own commitment to provide proof.
I have no information, Snoopy. I will publish the proof that I have when I'm able. What is absured is some people have things to do besides "time limits" given by certain moderator's. ;)
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Maybe one should call Jim Gilley and Danny Shelton? They may have answers as to the hold up!
That is absurd. Like they are really going to answer a caller's questions about the "pending litigation".
People want to know what is going on, so if you have information you want to share then do so. But quit with the games. I recently removed an entire thread you started because you did not follow through on your own commitment to provide proof.
I have no information, Snoopy. I will publish the proof that I have when I'm able. What is absured is some people have things to do besides "time limits" given by certain moderator's. ;)
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No one is forcing you to post here, Adam. But if you want to continue to do so you will learn to exercise some respect. I have only asked you to provide proof for your claims. If you have a problem with that, go to the smut site.
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The answer to your dilemma is found in the last sentence...question is, did I under-estimate the will of 3ABM to survive??? OR did I mis-understand the level and purpose of negotiations extended with an agreement to extend the SOL?
In other words, are the extensions to facilitate real negotiations...or simply strategy to get past at least the first verdict in State of Virginia vs Tommy Ray Shelton? It is typical to hold off on civil cases until you have a criminal conviction...strengthens value and provides invaluable experience and on the recorded evidence, res judicata, if the state wins.
Publication of settlement terms or the initiation of a Racketeering claim can have profound impact in that the list of victims has a tendency to grow and given the VERY CLOSE affiliation between 3ABN/ASI and the Seventh-day Adventist management, they likely see opportunity to stir the greed of SDA victims to build an ever growing client base for other civil violations, pedophile, sexual harassment and Lord only knows where it could end. But clearly calculated to be profitable by Manly and Anderson. I have already spoken to my concerns here and why a comprehensive settlement now could save hundreds of millions in the future. Short sightedness is not an option here!!!
In other words, is the target a comprehensive settlement with all the potential parties or simply buying time to enhance the underlying civil case... and is the target simply the 3ABN wallets, or is it the bigger $250 Million ten year prize???
ie: are we all being duped by Manly and Anderson as they prepare to pick the collective wallets???
If so, then we have to dig in our heels and stand firmly against the storm, denying these man-eaters every red nickel and literally steeling ourselves to conduct a war of attrition that burns them at every turn!!!
I, for one, will sign onto that battle as the very life and future of the Seventh-day Adventist church could be at stake!!! And it is long since past the time when we can allow open and notorious sin to co-exist in the Laodicean Church with those of honest and noble heart. It must be challenged, the parties called to redemption and if they decline they must be separated from the body of Christ as prescribed in Matthew 18, and it must be done sooner than later to avoid the liabilities that can come with implicit endorsement.
So, Stanley, old boy, it is time to gird the armor and prepare for a battle we have never before had to face as a church, and hypocrisy cannot be ignored, cannot be blindly tolerated to suit your political purpose, but must be faced and redeemed or we must cut out the cancer NOW!!! After all, we are the Church Militant and have no time for peace and safety!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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However, be careful what you wish for...they will all be back soon and the news cycle is excellent as well...Japan is back page news, Lybia is no news at all, the first phase of the budget battle is much ado about nuttin!!! And they could follow on Mitch Garabedian's recent filing against the Christian Summer Camp of Senator Scott Brown fame (Brown, a victim, is not a plaintiff). So, it is prime time for D-day, H-hour and I predict a launch by the Flamboyant John Manly and the Justice seeking Jeff Anderson within the next ten days...but then 3ABN could make a last ditch shot at a settlement, but doubt they have the will or common sense to pursue such a logical tact.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Here's the quote of the post that started this thread back in January.
Any further updates?
Sources have told me that the law suit against Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN should be filed as early as next week. My understanding is this will be filed in Chicago, Illinois.
Jeff Anderson will lead the charge in the objective along with Sarah Odegaard. They will be working with the attorney's from Manly and Stewart of California; John C. Manly (head atty) Vince W. Finaldi, and Michael Reck.
Should be interesting.
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According to Adam, something is supposed to happen by May 17...
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So, Mr Gregory, "Tea Leaves and crystal balls"? How about the Bible, The Gift of Prophecy and just keeping your ear to the ground, not to mention a few loaded and prying questions? And then act, decisively!!!
Is that to be taken as a direct insult or simple ignorance from a well heeled source of process information? Actually, let me be very politically incorrect and declare "Me Tonto...hear many horses coming...and if we don't get blow the tracks we are about to get hit with a train headed directly at us!!!"
So, Mr Gregory, do you hear them coming? Do you want to hear them coming? And do you intend to tear up the tracks and set mine fields or let them just blow us over on their way through?
And therein lies the difference between you and I...I am going to blow the tracks and set mines, set up archers and draw the sword and prepare to fight to the last man!!! That is an English-Scotch-Welch tradition...NEVER, NEVER, EVER, GIVE UP!!!
I mean what I said and I said what I mean!!! And dare YOU doubt it???
My guess is the concept just simply evades you...
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I am confused. On January 21 we were told that a lawsuit was going to be filed, perhaps as early as the following week.
That was followed later by a post from GAJ which metamorphicly told us the time had come to turn our swords into plows.
Does anyone know what is really happening?
Or is all of the information comming from those who read tea leaves and commulnicate with crystal balls?
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And that is what we understood about April 15, but there seemed to be confusion regarding the delay of the criminal case that was moved from March to may and June. Apparently you are better informed than Manly and Anderson... It is clear that Simpson must have come back with serious money but with terms that were un-palatable to the Plaintiff's counsel or it would have settled. What I will tell you here and now is that the terms will not be workable until after at least the first criminal conviction. In other words there will not be any serious final deal until a conviction is on the record and the record has been fully exposed in the criminal trial. Guaranteed, Manly will have an observer at the trial taking notes as fast as his little fingers will type or script.
And publicity is critical to perpetuating the agenda!!! These man-eaters have your church, my church and the entire church in their sites...in other words, they want our assets!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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According to Adam, something is supposed to happen by May 17...
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I do not like posting on this thread, because I get the blame for information that changes suddenly. However, I have been told that mediation talks are possible in either Minnesota or Illinois as early as next week. Now lets remember the new deadline for any SOL that is in place is May 17. It appears both partys are trying to work something out. Again I am going on info relayed to me.
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Post away any way Adam.
Must be a bit frustrating when you post info that changes, that you have no control over.
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There are no absolutes in the world of law other than the rule that there are no absolutes. Both parties can promise a good fight, but neither can guarantee a win. The rules will change midstream, new evidence will surface, delays will be arranged, evidence and witnesses will be compromised, new evidence and witnesses will surface... The legal morass is a nebulous conundrum at best. It is what it is.
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Please keep posting, Adam!
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Please keep posting, Adam!
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You know....I stll get a chuckle when its assumed that Alex and I have a secret relationship. The fact of the matter is Alex lives an hour from me, and has for sometime, since December I believe. Yes we was roomates, but Cindy and Company like to make it more.....Its funny really. Even if it was true so what? Cindy and Co. Defend a man who has admitted to having homosexual desires.....to the point of doing it with minors. Makes no sense. Anyway I appreciate the courteous request for me to continue posting. I may not be accurate all of the time, but I do try!
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I do not like posting on this thread, because I get the blame for information that changes suddenly. However, I have been told that mediation talks are possible in either Minnesota or Illinois as early as next week. Now lets remember the new deadline for any SOL that is in place is May 17. It appears both partys are trying to work something out. Again I am going on info relayed to me.
Adam,
Please accept my sincerest apologies for any of my posts that have made you feel responsible for bad info. I understand the situation you are in and appreciate your efforts to keep us informed.
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Thank you Snoopy. I am also sorry for any post that was disrespectful to you or to others. Recently I experienced a loss in my family that has changed my attitude and outlook on things. Even my attitude towards Tommy. He is a human just like the rest of us. While I do not agree with what he has done in the past, and stand firm that consequences need to be paid- there will be no more posts of hate or attacks from me. I will continue to post the information given me, and will continue to stan on the side of victims, but in a different tone and attitude.
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Praise the Lord, Adam, for God's grace and how He helps us grow day by day.
I had noticed how the tone of your posts had changed.
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Thank you, Bob!
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So, what you are telling us is that 3ABN et al is trying to buy it's way out of another DLS mess, right??? And just what will this cost the officers and DIRECTORS? If there is mediation, usually you set high's and lows which means we now know the range of mediation.negotiation. So what is the range?
Arthur
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So, what you are telling us is that 3ABN et al is trying to buy it's way out of another DLS mess, right??? And just what will this cost the officers and DIRECTORS? If there is mediation, usually you set high's and lows which means we now know the range of mediation.negotiation. So what is the range?
Arthur
I have no information on that.
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In the Seattle area a church musician was just arrested for molesting young boys. In 2000 he was charged but the people who made the accusations decided not to follow through and press charges so it was dropped. Now 11 years and who knows how many more victims later he is accused again and has admitted such. Sad. Courage to the victims of TS to stand up and face him and save others from his sickness!
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Forget mediation talks-out of the question now. Guess we all know what that means?
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SIRMYZING has been questioning when this thing is going to happen. Let's just say......you will find out soon. Soon as in Oh, let's say First of next week?:)
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Now, Adam, what if things change yet again?
But post away any way!
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Now, Adam, what if things change yet again?
But post away any way!
Not going to happen, Bob! I'm sure about this one.
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Thank you Snoopy. I am also sorry for any post that was disrespectful to you or to others. Recently I experienced a loss in my family that has changed my attitude and outlook on things. Even my attitude towards Tommy. He is a human just like the rest of us. While I do not agree with what he has done in the past, and stand firm that consequences need to be paid- there will be no more posts of hate or attacks from me. I will continue to post the information given me, and will continue to stan on the side of victims, but in a different tone and attitude.
My sympathies for your loss, Adam. I am approaching the one year anniversary of losing my mom and it really has me messed up.
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Thank you Snoopy. I am also sorry for any post that was disrespectful to you or to others. Recently I experienced a loss in my family that has changed my attitude and outlook on things. Even my attitude towards Tommy. He is a human just like the rest of us. While I do not agree with what he has done in the past, and stand firm that consequences need to be paid- there will be no more posts of hate or attacks from me. I will continue to post the information given me, and will continue to stan on the side of victims, but in a different tone and attitude.
My sympathies for your loss, Adam. I am approaching the one year anniversary of losing my mom and it really has me messed up.
Thanks, Snoopy! It has been a rough time, but thank God for his Strength!
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Seems like Tuesday is long awaited day- just in time for 3Abn campmeeting! Got to love attorneys who know the right time to proceed! Expect media coverage! And the war begins.....
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Has anything changed with the criminal trials, Adam?
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Seems like Tuesday is long awaited day- just in time for 3Abn campmeeting! Got to love attorneys who know the right time to proceed! Expect media coverage! And the war begins.....
Waiting to see what happens, Adam!
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“Denominational leaders have been astounded at the quality of speakers 3ABN has attracted,” says 3ABN president, Jim Gilley.
I noticed this quote by Gilley on the campmeeting page...although it looked like a usual 3ABN lineup to me.
In any case, shame on whatever denominational leaders that have expressed this opinion!
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Nothing has changed as far as the criminal trials- as of now. Seems like everything is a go. However expect a suprise Tuesday!
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Day after tomorrow?
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Yep!
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The international news these days is filled with stories connected with the sexual problems of Domenique Strauss-Kahn, the man in charge of the International Monetary Fund. Today Greece says his moral problems might const that country a lot of money.
Moral problems of individuals can cause a great financial loss for many these days.
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Eventually all will come to justice. You would think they should be scared at the judgement. But... if not seemingly they crossed the line long ago and now the next is try to pay their way out. Not pretty when the church is on line. But many tried to warn in this saga of 3abn. So the broad picture is the devil will take it to its limits. as I expected. unless.....repentance!
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Anytime now, and the suspence builds!
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Waiting in awesome suspense
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And the deed is done. After many years of covering up and protecting and aiding a pedophile- justice is in site.
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Can you elaborate?
And the deed is done. After many years of covering up and protecting and aiding a pedophile- justice is in site.
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Yes, explain please!
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And the deed is done. After many years of covering up and protecting and aiding a pedophile- justice is in site.
Adam, was it filed in Chicago as you had originally thought?
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Nope. Benton, Il.
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What was filed?
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Is it a secret?
Was it sealed or something?
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I can't imagine John Manly or Jeff Anderson wanting any case to be sealed.
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Can we have some more explanation?
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Nope. Benton, Il.
Any idea what changed, Adam? I think I recall you saying at one time that it would be filed in Chicago.
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Really, Adam? So, do you know the settlement sum, the terms and conditions?
Give us the whole story...
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Now, Adam, what if things change yet again?
But post away any way!
Not going to happen, Bob! I'm sure about this one.
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And the deed is done. After many years of covering up and protecting and aiding a pedophile- justice is in site.
Adam, I am trying to locate the case - can you provide a case number?
Thanks!
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And the deed is done. After many years of covering up and protecting and aiding a pedophile- justice is in site.
Adam, I am trying to locate the case - can you provide a case number?
Thanks!
Hey - no worries! I'll just call the courthouse tomorrow and get the case number!!
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And the deed is done. After many years of covering up and protecting and aiding a pedophile- justice is in site.
Adam, I am trying to locate the case - can you provide a case number?
Thanks!
Hey - no worries! I'll just call the courthouse tomorrow and get the case number!!
Others have been searching too. There is reportedly nothing on PACER. I, myself, searched this morning on two different free websites under the names of the plaintiffs and the defendants, as well as all cases filed since 5/1/2011 - and found nothing.
In case it is just a delay in filing and still to be filed (?) here are those links so anyone interested can keep track.
Chicago (Cook County District court)
http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.org/?section=CASEINFOPage&CASEINFOPage=2400
Benton (Franklin County )
http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_search.jsp?court=IL028015J
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Even without inside information, it should be easy to deduce that 3ABN would never accept any agreement unless it was to avoid litigation costs. Logically any such settlement would be nowhere near your 8 or 9 figure predictions. This is frequently the case with threatened lawsuits, as insurance companies don't want to pay the higher cost. Usually they contain a disclaimer about not being guilty or admitting guilt. Even Attorneys may advise a settlement even when their client is innocent, based on the amount of evidence. Of course if there is little or no evidence then there is no reason to settle... In any case > Adam posted this:
Re: Law suit is Imminent
« Reply #184 on: May 12, 2011, 01:48:14 PM »
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Forget mediation talks-out of the question now. Guess we all know what that means?
and this:
Re: Law suit is Imminent
« Reply #190 on: May 13, 2011, 03:22:13 PM »
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Seems like Tuesday is long awaited day- just in time for 3Abn campmeeting! Got to love attorneys who know the right time to proceed! Expect media coverage! And the war begins.....
Really, Adam? So, do you know the settlement sum, the terms and conditions?
Give us the whole story...
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Now, Adam, what if things change yet again?
But post away any way!
Not going to happen, Bob! I'm sure about this one.
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so how much are the pew people going to pay out. :hot: ??
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An open statement from Alex L. Walker- will be released on this subject in the coming days.
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Changes in legal counsel are being made. More info to come.
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which side might be changing?
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the victims.
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the victims.
So they just filed a complaint on the 17th and now they are changing counsel?
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You hear many strange things before your ears drop off.
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The old counsel is out and new counsel is soon to be announced. That is all I can say at this point.
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Expect new attorney announcement as early as Monday.
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The old counsel is out and new counsel is soon to be announced. That is all I can say at this point.
I thought Adam (receiving info from his source, Alex) was claiming the agreement had been extended regarding the SOL deadline until May 17? If that was true (it appears much he reports isn't) then what can either old or new counsel do after that date has passed?
Looking forward to the open statement about all this which Adam claims will be made by ... Alex Walker
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But what about the high profile of these first attorneys being the best in all the states and also their other high profile cases? Are the new better? Why would another step up to replace them?
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Sir Mizer,
You have an excellent background to understand the concept of tolled statute of limitations, Right?
There was clearly a difference of opinion on this ridiculous issue with some of the counsel selected. The issue in predatory pedophilia cases was first resolved by Mitch Garabedian in his case against several priests in the Boston Arch Diocese and was decisively won!!!
Properly managed by competent counsel who can deal with the statute of limitations issues, well, shall we say there are a number of other potential victims that could be added to the claim.
A careful re-assessment of counsel to manage this case needs to be made to get maximum impact. Counsel that is not afraid of imaginary SOL issues would be a big addition.
Maybe your dad should consider a "TELL ALL" book...might be a much bigger hit and could be an excellent witness for the plaintiffs. Just surmising, of course!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
The old counsel is out and new counsel is soon to be announced. That is all I can say at this point.
I thought Adam (receiving info from his source, Alex) was claiming the agreement had been extended regarding the SOL deadline until May 17? If that was true (it appears much he reports isn't) then what can either old or new counsel do after that date has passed?
Looking forward to the open statement about all this which Adam claims will be made by ... Alex Walker