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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Artiste on August 09, 2011, 05:09:08 PM
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The 3ABN website, in promoting their broadcasting of the August ASI meetings, contains the following (emphasis added):
“ASI and 3ABN have been partners since 1984,” says Jim Gilley, 3ABN president and CEO. “Both have contributed to each other’s growth, although ASI has been around a number of years before. Its explosion in growth is very much tied to the exposure they have received on 3ABN.
Do all agree that the growth ASI has had, in the last, say 10 to 15 years, is largely due to 3ABN exposure?
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What kind of exposure? Exposed to whom?
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I would agree that this is a factual statement.
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They tell the story that at first ASI were not interested in 3ABN. Danny and Linda went to an ASI convention to tell their story, but there was no time on the program. The day there was to be a tour turned out to be rainy so they had to cancel the tour. Then they gave Danny and Linda the opportunity to tell their story and that way they gained at interest in 3ABN. That was the beginning, as far as I recall the story as told in one of the books.
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“... although ASI has been around a number of years before. ...
"A number of years." How far can we stretch that? "3ABN is headquartered in the U.S.A., although the U.S.A. has been around a number of years before." Anyone have trouble with that wording?
ASI was founded in 1947, and 3ABN was founded in 1985.
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Has anyone questioned the fundamental statement: "Explosion in [ASI] growth..." as I understand that this premise my be fictional...any facts, numbers or other comments?
I can certainly tell you that ASI in New England has most certainly faded over the past decade and a half.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter, A tea Party Adventist
The 3ABN website, in promoting their broadcasting of the August ASI meetings, contains the following (emphasis added):
“ASI and 3ABN have been partners since 1984,” says Jim Gilley, 3ABN president and CEO. “Both have contributed to each other’s growth, although ASI has been around a number of years before. Its explosion in growth is very much tied to the exposure they have received on 3ABN.
Do all agree that the growth ASI has had, in the last, say 10 to 15 years, is largely due to 3ABN exposure?
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I do know of someone that ASI refused membership to, after they blew the whistle on Danny Shelton's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy. I know of no efforts to make right that egregious breach of Christian ethics.
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I do know of someone that ASI refused membership to, after they blew the whistle on Danny Shelton's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy. I know of no efforts to make right that egregious breach of Christian ethics.
Pickle has brought this up so many times... that it is obvious it sticks in his craw. His " I do know of someone" is himself. He has applied more than once.... and never been accepted...
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"There are none so blind as those who refuse to see... " The good news is that Jesus can fix that problem as long as He is asked and then allowed to...
Open ASI letter in regard to "Linda Shelton's representatives: Pickle, Joy, and Matthews for those who are unacquainted with it:
January 2007 - Why ASI Chose to withdraw from Discussions (http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/january-2007-asi-open-letter.html)
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Open ASI letter in regard to "Linda Shelton's representatives: Pickle, Joy, and Matthews for those who are unacquainted with it:
January 2007 - Why ASI Chose to withdraw from Discussions (http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/january-2007-asi-open-letter.html)
Hey, Sirmizer, care to answer three simple questions? Or will you adamantly refuse to like you did over here: http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,2109.msg32950.html#msg32950 (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,2109.msg32950.html#msg32950)?
1. Why did Harold Lance refuse to allow the ASI investigation to look into the child molestation allegations against Tommy, when Mark Finley had understood that that was one of the issues that 3ABN would investigate?
2. Why did Harold Lance blame us for trying to expand the investigation, when he was trying to narrow the investigation from what it was supposed to cover, according to what Mark Finley and others understood?
3. Why did Harold Lance appear to blame the breakdown in part on a failure by Linda to communicate, when (a) Danny, Walt, and ASI failed to communicate to us for 10 weeks that 3ABN had voted to restrict the investigation to just the Linda issues, and (b) Harold had purposely ignored a question I asked him?
I had asked Harold, I think more than once, if the investigation was going to be restricted to just the Linda issues, would issues related to the evidence against Linda be themselves excluded from investigation. After his statement was issued, I asked him about why he hadn't answered my question, and he told me, "I ignored that question." Why? Because he wanted an agreement on the procedures to be used during the investigation before discussing what procedures to use regarding the evidence against Linda. That answer didn't make sense to me then, and it still doesn't.
That's how I remember it, 4 1/2 years later. I still am of the opinion that it was wrong, uncharitable, and unchristian to accuse Linda of failing to communicate when Danny, Walt, 3ABN, Harold, and ASI had all failed to communicate.
By the way, Sirmizer, regarding your first paragraph, you have your facts wrong ... again.
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I do know of someone that ASI refused membership to, after they blew the whistle on Danny Shelton's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy. I know of no efforts to make right that egregious breach of Christian ethics.
Pickle has brought this up so many times... that it is obvious it sticks in his craw. His " I do know of someone" is himself. He has applied more than once.... and never been accepted...
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"There are none so blind as those who refuse to see... " The good news is that Jesus can fix that problem as long as He is asked and then allowed to...
Open ASI letter in regard to "Linda Shelton's representatives: Pickle, Joy, and Matthews for those who are unacquainted with it:
January 2007 - Why ASI Chose to withdraw from Discussions (http://server1.kproxy.com/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/shhzdcy/s1iwolzo/p1/servlet/redirect.srv/sruj/scyaetcar/skdhdh4qdcoguikky/p1/2007/05/january-2007-asi-open-letter.html)
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It is my opinion that 3ABN was very instrumental in helping to bring ASI from an largely obscure organization, except among the fringe groups, to a well-known mainstream organization. In fact, I think that for most people 3ABN and ASI are virtually synonymous.
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Open ASI letter in regard to "Linda Shelton's representatives: Pickle, Joy, and Matthews for those who are unacquainted with it:
January 2007 - Why ASI Chose to withdraw from Discussions (http://references4links.blogspot.com/2007/05/january-2007-asi-open-letter.html)
Hey, Sirmizer, care to answer three simple questions? Or will you adamantly refuse to like you did over here: http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,2109.msg32950.html#msg32950 (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,2109.msg32950.html#msg32950)?
1. Why did Harold Lance refuse to allow the ASI investigation to look into the child molestation allegations against Tommy, when Mark Finley had understood that that was one of the issues that 3ABN would investigate?
2. Why did Harold Lance blame us for trying to expand the investigation, when he was trying to narrow the investigation from what it was supposed to cover, according to what Mark Finley and others understood?
3. Why did Harold Lance appear to blame the breakdown in part on a failure by Linda to communicate, when (a) Danny, Walt, and ASI failed to communicate to us for 10 weeks that 3ABN had voted to restrict the investigation to just the Linda issues, and (b) Harold had purposely ignored a question I asked him?
I had asked Harold, I think more than once, if the investigation was going to be restricted to just the Linda issues, would issues related to the evidence against Linda be themselves excluded from investigation. After his statement was issued, I asked him about why he hadn't answered my question, and he told me, "I ignored that question." Why? Because he wanted an agreement on the procedures to be used during the investigation before discussing what procedures to use regarding the evidence against Linda. That answer didn't make sense to me then, and it still doesn't.
That's how I remember it, 4 1/2 years later. I still am of the opinion that it was wrong, uncharitable, and unchristian to accuse Linda of failing to communicate when Danny, Walt, 3ABN, Harold, and ASI had all failed to communicate.
By the way, Sirmizer, regarding your first paragraph, you have your facts wrong ... again.
Sirmizer,
So are you going to take forever to answer these questions, like how you took so long to admit (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,2109.msg32971.html#msg32971) that Remnant paid Danny for sales to 3ABN of Danny's booklets published by Pacific Press, booklets Remnant didn't even stock?
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It is my opinion that 3ABN was very instrumental in helping to bring ASI from an largely obscure organization, except among the fringe groups, to a well-known mainstream organization. In fact, I think that for most people 3ABN and ASI are virtually synonymous.
And if so obscure, has it indeed grown to any great prominence beyond it's annual coverage by 3ABN?
Has it's budget grown in tandem with 3ABN's?
And has the annual attendance skyrocketed?
And is the leadership elected by a democratic process? And if so, how?
And has the ASI Missions Board, Inc become other than an ultra-conservative "SMALL" and self-appointed SDA businessman's club with serious political impact upon the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists? And is the 3ABN board a similar "club"?
And does ASI make or break independant ministries with impunity? And does 3ABN try to do the same?
Inquiring minds want to know!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I don't know about it's budget or board, but mainstream organization have become a staple in the exhibit hall at the annual convention, and local church conferences have become very active in the local chapters. I do think that much of this is due to 3ABN making it so well known through coverage of the annual convention and consistent featuring of ASI members and organizations. In shirt, I see 3ABN as the marketing and publicity arm of ASI.
It is my opinion that 3ABN was very instrumental in helping to bring ASI from an largely obscure organization, except among the fringe groups, to a well-known mainstream organization. In fact, I think that for most people 3ABN and ASI are virtually synonymous.
And if so obscure, has it indeed grown to any great prominence beyond it's annual coverage by 3ABN?
Has it's budget grown in tandem with 3ABN's?
And has the annual attendance skyrocketed?
And is the leadership elected by a democratic process? And if so, how?
And has the ASI Missions Board, Inc become other than an ultra-conservative "SMALL" and self-appointed SDA businessman's club with serious political impact upon the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists? And is the 3ABN board a similar "club"?
And does ASI make or break independant ministries with impunity? And does 3ABN try to do the same?
Inquiring minds want to know!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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How long have conference officials been regularly attending ASI conventions?
I recall a convention in particular at which conference officials did attend, even though it meant traveling a distance. If conventions are always held in August, then the year would have been either 1988 or 1989. (Something a little extraordinary happened at that convention which makes it stand out.)
Would 3ABN have had anything to do with ASI being attended by conference officials at that early date, so soon after their launching?
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I remember the '88 or '89 August ASI meeting in Calgary, followed by the next year in Kona...church officials were a regular part of it. The church officials' association with ASI was not a recent development, as far as I could tell.
I had never heard of 3ABN at that time.
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During those few early years that I was a member of ASI, I remember that each year ASI was growing rapidly in its attendance, becoming more of an international organization. Each year the Saturday night fund-raising dinner brought in a much larger amount of donations than the year before.
I still hadn't heard of 3ABN.
I'm thinking that ASI was the entity that helped put 3ABN on the map of Adventism, not the other way around.
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I remember the '88 or '89 August ASI meeting in Calgary, followed by the next year in Kona...
Do you remember which one was the one where those who ate the potato salad, or some similar dish, got ill? At least, that's was the best guess cause of a mystery illness some contracted.
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No, sorry, I don't remember about the potato salad.
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Yes there has been church participation, but during the early years ASI seemed to attract much more of the OCI type. And the church membership at large certainly didn't have the awareness of ASI that they have now. But yes, I agree that ASI was also very much a part of growing 3ABN.
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ASI was well established by the 80's as an active organization for Adventist business people that included liaisons from the SDA church leadership.
The outpost centers and mission projects were the recipients each year for the donations of the Adventist businessmen. The mission people came each year and set up booths hoping to be selected for funding, or merely to network.
Initially, 3ABN was just one of the mission projects that received some of the yearly funding from ASI.
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What was/is the purpose of ASI?
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What was/is the purpose of ASI?
If you are a SDA business woman you should be eligible to join them and enjoy their support.
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As I recall though you may have to have employees to join. Don't remember what the mnimum umber of employees was. Maybe just two. I think they want people who have money though not just self employed.
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As I recall though you may have to have employees to join. Don't remember what the mnimum umber of employees was. Maybe just two. I think they want people who have money though not just self employed.
There are two types of members. A voting member has to have or be a business or ministry with at least one employee, I think. A non-voting member doesn't have to have any employees.
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What was/is the purpose of ASI?
When ASI first began in the 40's, it was an association of self-supporting SDA ministries that began with Madison College, an Adventist self-supporting institution that was near Nashville, Tennessee.
It somehow morphed over time into a "club" of Adventist business people who met yearly at the August meetings, a time chosen so that the whole family could come along before the children started back to school and stay an extra week in a fun place to take their summer vacation.
The acronym ASI stands for Adventist-Laymen's Services and Industries. It originally stood for Association of Seventh-day Adventist Self-Supporting Institutions, thus, ASI. The name was changed in 1979 to better reflect the current membership, while retaining the acronym.
ASI's motto, "Sharing Christ in the Marketplace" reflects that the organization has always had a commitment to the SDA church and mission efforts.
Members shared their experiences during the meetings as laymen in the church, promoting their beliefs through their businesses in various ways, such as providing literature for their clients.
As previously mentioned, they also had a special Saturday night dinner with entertainment at which time donations and pledges were made to be apportioned to worthy mission projects.