Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: ex3abnemployee on March 06, 2013, 02:38:43 PM
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They seem to have gone the way of the typewriter, 8 track tapes and other obsolete items.
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Kind of died when Tommy was sentenced. Wonder what happened. Did Stefan forget to pay the bill?
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Could be. It didn't amount to much anyway. They seemed frustrated that their membership never came close to AT.
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Neither membership nor readership came close.
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Goes to show what happens when pinheads try to defend and support a child molestor.
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Think it's down permanently? If it is, what outlet will Danny have? He certainly can't be explicit on the air of all the mud and crimes he wants to accuse people of.
Come to think of it, though, I do recall him falsely accusing me of a crime on February 15, 2007, on the air.
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Do you think the posters of the "other site" have pretty much seen by now what type of person Danny Shelton really is?
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I'm sure at least some have.
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They may just be ashamed of the way things turned out and have shut it down. I mean, who could blame them? Nearly everything they said has now been proven to be false. After so many embarrassing failures, they were probably GLAD to take it off line.
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I know some of you guys got a chuckle out of their allegation that I had lost my family over the 3ABN debacle, when you had been calling our house and my wife or kids had been answering the phone. Such nonsense they'd come up with.
They accused us of just trying to smear Danny and 3ABN, and yet they would try to do that very thing against us. Why? Out of concern about private inurement, child molestation, abuse of power, unbiblical divorce, and deceit? No. They were simply trying to discredit us by destroying our reputations.
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When I go to that site it says, "The website you were trying to reach is temporarily unavailable."
The link shows up as http://box451.bluehost.com/suspended.page/disabled.cgi/_______.com
Seems like their host suspended them for some strange reason.
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Maybe 3ABN cannot afford to keep the sight running!!! It is rather embarrassing, after all!!! And if I were doing budget cuts, they would definitely be the first to go...then, maybe they are "sequestration" victims!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
When I go to that site it says, "The website you were trying to reach is temporarily unavailable."
The link shows up as http://box451.bluehost.com/suspended.page/disabled.cgi/_______.com
Seems like their host suspended them for some strange reason.
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Think it's down permanently? If it is, what outlet will Danny have? He certainly can't be explicit on the air of all the mud and crimes he wants to accuse people of.
Come to think of it, though, I do recall him falsely accusing me of a crime on February 15, 2007, on the air.
He will get his bobbleheads on tv with him while he still can and talk about how God appoints leaders and how it is a sin to oppose that leader.
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When Shelley, Clement, Lomacang and Gilley get on their TV show and start talking about Danny, they sound just like the mormons when they gush about Joseph Smith.
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What about when people like Elder Ted Wilson are on 3ABN with Danny and others?
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When Finley or Wilson Jr go on 3ABN and effectively endorse Danny Lee Shelton they demonstrate a lack of character and pathetic compromise. They are both fully aware that Danny Lee Shelton is an adulterer and provaricater in chief!! They also know Jim Gilley!!!
That same issue now haunts them in their failure to meet the outright rebellion by unions and conferences on Women's Ordination and we will reap the whirlwind with a fury!!!
And they both need to be met HEAD ON with the clear understanding of just where this compromise of principals will lead before it is way too late to recover...but, then, maybe we do not recover!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
What about when people like Elder Ted Wilson are on 3ABN with Danny and others?
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What about when people like Elder Ted Wilson are on 3ABN with Danny and others?
Good question!
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Ted Wilson is a moron. The man knows that Danny Shelton is a crook. He, just like Doug Batchelor and Mark Finley, are politicians that will compromise principle to get exposure.
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You really think so?
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Ted Wilson is a moron. The man knows that Danny Shelton is a crook. He, just like Doug Batchelor and Mark Finley, are politicians that will compromise principle to get exposure.
HERE, HERE!!!! They have failed to meet the largest open rebellion since John Harvey Kellogg!!! And we will reap the whirlwind!!! Get ready to get A LOT SMALLER!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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You really think so?
Yes I really think so... Doug Batchelor made all that stink about how women's ordination was unbiblical (in his opinion), yet his 'Amazing Facts' clearly has a strong and supportive relationship with 3abn. There is NO WAY he does not know about child molestation at 3abn. Also, every SDA church leader knows that Danny dumped his wife for a younger woman, unbiblically. No one can claim ignorance about 3abn any longer.
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You really think so?
Yes I really think so... Doug Batchelor made all that stink about how women's ordination was unbiblical (in his opinion), yet his 'Amazing Facts' clearly has a strong and supportive relationship with 3abn. There is NO WAY he does not know about child molestation at 3abn. Also, every SDA church leader knows that Danny dumped his wife for a younger woman, unbiblically. No one can claim ignorance about 3abn any longer.
I agree with the Doug Batchelor thing. My understanding is that he has been a long term friend and supporter of Danny Shelton.
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Here is a question: who is the mentor and who is the student???
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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My hunch is that it is more like 'you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.'
Doug Batchelor loves to take his contrary, traditionalist opinions and message and make himself look like this "voice crying in the wilderness." Yet when it comes to his friend, who gives him the opportunity and the stage to proclaim his messages, he turns a deaf ear and blind eye to his moral shortcomings.
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Wow! Last time that other site went down, was it down this long? It's been down 5 days now.
Are they going to make any attempt to resurrect it?
I know Cindy has been online here since it went down. Cindy, will the site be going back up? Why is it down?
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I just thought it was down for good...
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It is still saying this over at that other site:
The website you were trying to reach is temporarily unavailable.
Please check back soon.
If you are the owner of this website, please log in for additional
information or contact us as soon as possible.
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It is still saying this over at that other site:
The website you were trying to reach is temporarily unavailable.
Please check back soon.
If you are the owner of this website, please log in for additional
information or contact us as soon as possible.
As an Adminstrator I will say that the other website appears to be unavailable... and will continue to be so IMO as these arguments and attacks are petty and a waste of time for most since those involved have mostly moved on or have lost sight of how to proceed, or refuse to cast pearls to swine or have dogs turn and rend. .. The good news being a priority, and those with emnity being a mostly ineffectual and losing party not worth the time for those who haven't lost touch. I don't need to tell you the fruits of those on each side , YOU KNOW THEM. Whether you refuse to acknowledge them or not. I, myself, may post here, if allowed, and if any here are interested, as the inclination and spirit moves me--- or not..
Is not, is too, traded arguments and insults are dumb, right? Facts are needed and so is Christian love, imo. The lack of love causes so many to wax cold and be offended... ,The lack of both love and facts has caused so many on both sides to fall by the wayside IMHO. I myself had to recoup and pray for months... This is all soooo sick and negative, Is it helping our brethren? Is it our calling? I don't believe so...
Jesus is coming, bigger troubles are coming, people need to be prepared. Are we so focused on our desires and grievances that we have lost sight of that? I HOPE NOT. <3
We are accountable. I hope and pray we can all stand in that day.
~ Cindy
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Cindy: As an administrator and a person who likes "facts" can you assure me that the defamatory post over on that site will be removed? It is baseless and untrue. And if "truth" is Danny he should know that, because this issue was brought up in discovery and was proven to be a lie. So, when can I expect it to be removed?
•note• yes, there was a letter sent. I'm not denying that. However, there is sworn testimony that the allegation was not true. The supposed "uncle" admitted he lied and even said he didn't have a nephew. The supposed "uncles" mother even stated that it was a lie. So care to take your own advice and only allow facts?
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Hey Cindy... Welcome back!
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Well, I see, Cindy hasn't responded yet. Cindy, Ask Steffan if he has received the email and certified letter I sent to him. Think he will make the 10 day deadline I set? He better, I don't make idle threats.
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Are you all aware that the other site is up and running again?
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Are you all aware that the other site is up and running again?
Yes, hence the above post from Alex.
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I should have known that was the reason why he posted that.
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I should have known that was the reason why he posted that.
No problem :)
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Steffan:
No, I said there was a letter written. NOT AT ALL as Truth said. I have proof that both the "uncle" and mother of the uncle say it's a lie. I have hired an attorney. So keep on posting, buddy.
Also, Steffan, you keep bringing up Virginia? You keep proving that you have NO CLUE what you're talking about. Like I said, keep on posting....you're just hurting yourself.
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I would like to say Thank you to "Truth" and Steffan for doing the right thing and taking down that post.
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Apparently, Danny Shelton didn't like it that Alex complained to BlueHost about that allegedly defamatory post that Steffan finally took down.
Since Steffan didn't fix the problem within 48 hours, BlueHost suspended his account. He therefore moved his website to Amazon, and kept on going. But perhaps Alex's legal threats convinced Steffan to take it down, whereas BlueHost didn't.
At any rate, Danny didn't like it and decided to play tit for tat. BlueHost has an absurd, anti-American, anti-free speech, and ant-First Amendment policy which as enforced says that you can't use a public figure's full name without their permission. So everyone better be careful about saying "Barack Obama" on any internet forum or website hosted by BlueHost.
So I received three Terms of Service complaints from BlueHost saying that I had to remove Danny Shelton's full name within 24 hours, which I did. The three websites in question now are hosted elsewhere.
The real reason I'm saying this is that I just discovered a problem with email being sent to email addresses at this domain. It's now fixed. So if you sent any email to this domain on March 19 or later, you might want to resend it after waiting up to 4 hours.
But it does make you wonder just how involved Danny is on that other site that he would complain to BlueHost so soon after Steffan's site went down.
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Not only that, but who would have known the information that "Truth" posted, unless it was Danny or Molly? None of that was public information. NONE.
So, Danny, if that was you who posted it, then you're aware of the proof that I have that the "uncle" lied. Correct? You're also aware that it was investigated by the Church among others? Right? Where they spoke to the alleged "Uncle" and the "Uncle's" mother and they both said it was not true, correct? The mother even went as far as stating that her son had "issues."
If you are not Danny, I'm curious where you received your information? However, I do appreciate your willingness to take that completely illegal and defamatory post down.
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The evidence clearly shows they are "AFFILIATED" and remain a great source of intelligence from behind the IRON CURTAIN.
Keep up the great work Danny!!! I think it is best described as IMAGE DESTRUCTION!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Not only that, but who would have known the information that "Truth" posted, unless it was Danny or Molly? None of that was public information. NONE.
Quite interesting that "Truth" claimed to know what was on my computer. Am I being spied upon?
There is another possibility. Danny, 3ABN, Hayes, and Simpson all squawked so loudly that we would publish what we had obtained in discovery, even though I still haven't published the emails Melody sent me. And yet "Truth" has revealed in a garbled way what I produced in discovery last summer. Now isn't that how one spells h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e?
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Are you going to publish the emails Melody sent you?
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The evidence clearly shows they are "AFFILIATED" and remain a great source of intelligence from behind the IRON CURTAIN.
Keep up the great work Danny!!! I think it is best described as IMAGE DESTRUCTION!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I just assumed that Danny S. was dictating to them what to say.
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Are you going to publish the emails Melody sent you?
I have no intention to.
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It seems like the former president refused to be seen together with Danny Shelton. What has happened to leadership?
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It seems like the former president refused to be seen together with Danny Shelton. What has happened to leadership?
What has happened to leadership?
Are you referring to our present GC President being seen together with Danny S. on 3ABN?
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Cindy: As an administrator and a person who likes "facts" can you assure me that the defamatory post over on that site will be removed?
NO. I cannot promise you that. I, (speaking only for myself) never remove a post unless it is a violation of the forum rules as posted there, and object to other people doing so...
It is baseless and untrue. And if "truth" is Danny he should know that, because this issue was brought up in discovery and was proven to be a lie. So, when can I expect it to be removed?
Well for what it's worth?
1. I talked to truth when truth originally signed up so I know that individual was not Danny as I was personally acquainted with "truth" for quite some time previous to that.
2. I am not privy to discovery info in your case and that's ok, as it is my understanding it's under seal and not to be disclosed. Should you even be discussing it, or attempting to make claims about it which you cannot prove if that's true? especially as you agreed to a lesser amount to settle and to keep quiet? I think not.
3. You can NEVER expect me personally to remove that post. I, personally do not censor info after it's published, What I edit is behavior and how things are said, NOT what is said. Previously you didn't comprehend that and that is why you lost your posting privileges. What I can promise you is this: If you can provide proof and evidence that it's a lie,I will attach it to the post, so that everyone reading it will know that, ok?
•note• yes, there was a letter sent. I'm not denying that. However, there is sworn testimony that the allegation was not true. The supposed "uncle" admitted he lied and even said he didn't have a nephew. The supposed "uncles" mother even stated that it was a lie. So care to take your own advice and only allow facts?
So you admit the accusation exists, but are denying it's validity? That's kinda funny really. Not funny, as in ha ha, but funny, as in strange when you think about it. There have been all kind of accusations against Tommy too, but when they are acknowledged but denied then it's called a cover-up..... Are you engaging in a cover-up, Alex?
Accusations are all that are needed to convict and condemn Tommy and even 3ABN by extension, but when it comes to you, you seem to think denying them is all that is needed to have them removed and cause them to disappear. Duane was the same, Dryden accused Tommy, and it was all good, Dryden accused Duane of the same, and all war broke out. Those accusing 3abn believe every accusation against the Sheltons without proof, but since you've helped in those accusations against 3abn, then 3abn's accuser refuse to judge you and Duane by those same standards. Why is that?
You make unsubstantiated claims above:
there is sworn testimony that the allegation was not true. The supposed "uncle" admitted he lied and even said he didn't have a nephew. The supposed "uncles" mother even stated that it was a lie.
I am really not sure what you are referring to here, but the thing is I can't help but notice how similar your undocumented claims here are to what is actually documented in your case. It's ironic and again double minded and double standards imo. There is sworn testimony your allegations against Tommy are not true, Your Father, Mother, and brother etc all wrote the court and testified about you lying, right?
The thing is, I don't believe you Alex. I'm sorry but I just don't. You make empty claims, but the other side is documented.
and we have published what is available on the other site. i have seen nothing to rebut that yet.
Provide it, and I'll post it but until then? Not happening.
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Cindy: I am not under any restriction to keep quiet. Not sure what you're talking about?
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There is sworn testimony your allegations against Tommy are not true, Your Father, Mother, and brother etc all wrote the court and testified about you lying, right?
~ Cindy, could you please explain how "sworn testimony" about whether or not someone has ever told a lie is the same as saying that particular allegations "are not true"?
I don't think that Alex's mother, father, or brother could ever prove that Alex's allegations against Tommy weren't true, unless they could also prove that Alex was never ever alone with Tommy. And that is asking too much.
Alex's father believed the allegations against Tommy to be credible, even if he didn't believe that Alex's allegations were credible.
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Cindy also ignores the fact that I have evidence from the uncle himself and the mother of the uncle who said it was not true! Cindy this was investigated by church authorities among others! What part of that do you not understand? The accuser himself said he LIED. He does NOT EVEN HAVE A NEICE OR NEPHEW.
I have proof. I have no reason or desire to share that with you.
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Was or wasn't the post removed, or is there another post that needs to be removed? :dunno:
I would like to say Thank you to "Truth" and Steffan for doing the right thing and taking down that post.
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Was or wasn't the post removed, or is there another post that needs to be removed? :dunno:
I would like to say Thank you to "Truth" and Steffan for doing the right thing and taking down that post.
Yes it was removed. I thought this discussion was over, but Cindy felt the need to bring it up again..
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Accusations are all that are needed to convict and condemn Tommy and even 3ABN by extension, but when it comes to you, you seem to think denying them is all that is needed to have them removed and cause them to disappear. Duane was the same, Dryden accused Tommy, and it was all good, Dryden accused Duane of the same, and all war broke out. Those accusing 3abn believe every accusation against the Sheltons without proof, but since you've helped in those accusations against 3abn, then 3abn's accuser refuse to judge you and Duane by those same standards. Why is that?
You seem to forget the fact that Tommy ADMITTED in court that he was guilty of the charges. And no, it was NOT "all good" when Dryden accused Tommy. I have always maintained that Dryden needed to keep his nose completely out of this.
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There is sworn testimony your allegations against Tommy are not true, Your Father, Mother, and brother etc all wrote the court and testified about you lying, right?
~ Cindy, could you please explain how "sworn testimony" about whether or not someone has ever told a lie is the same as saying that particular allegations "are not true"?
I don't think that Alex's mother, father, or brother could ever prove that Alex's allegations against Tommy weren't true, unless they could also prove that Alex was never ever alone with Tommy. And that is asking too much.
Alex's father believed the allegations against Tommy to be credible, even if he didn't believe that Alex's allegations were credible.
Bob, isn't it true that you spoke to my father, Deon Walker, and he told you he believed the allegations against Tommy was credible? He also told you this before Tommy was arrested? True?
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There is sworn testimony your allegations against Tommy are not true, Your Father, Mother, and brother etc all wrote the court and testified about you lying, right?
~ Cindy, could you please explain how "sworn testimony" about whether or not someone has ever told a lie is the same as saying that particular allegations "are not true"?
I don't think that Alex's mother, father, or brother could ever prove that Alex's allegations against Tommy weren't true, unless they could also prove that Alex was never ever alone with Tommy. And that is asking too much.
Alex's father believed the allegations against Tommy to be credible, even if he didn't believe that Alex's allegations were credible.
Bob, isn't it true that you spoke to my father, Deon Walker, and he told you he believed the allegations against Tommy was credible? He also told you this before Tommy was arrested? True?
Alex, I talked with your dad, maybe in 2007, definitely before the end of 2008, from what I recall. Yes, he did think that the allegations against Tommy were credible. It was old stuff around there, not a surprise to him. He did believe that Tommy was a child molester.
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Thank you, Bob.
I ask you these questions to say and ask this: Are you aware that there are other people who my parents have said that to? I know of several. My parents clearly believed Tommy was a pedophile. They never hid that and even spoke freely about it. I mean after all why else would have my dad told you that? My parents, without a doubt, believed Tommy had an interest in little boys.
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I see that "Truth" is living in a fantasy world to this day. In spite of the denials, Tommy Shelton did plead guilty to the charges against him. I know for a fact that he is guilty of sexual abuse. I really don't need a court to determine that. In fact, after examining Tommy's deposition and hearing details of his allegations, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Tommy DID molest Alex. There are details that only Tommy and the victims know that were revealed in the deposition. Sorry to disappoint, "Truth", but Tommy Shelton DID commit the acts he is accused of. Condemn me to Hell all you want, but the real truth will and has prevailed.
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Truth I assume you are talking about Kimberly Irving correct? IF what you say is true why did Tommy have her represent him at his deposition?
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Anyone have a copy of Tommy's July 2010 guilty plea that we can post? Either post it here or send it to me so that I can post it. Maybe then "Truth" will stop insisting that the Washington Post got it wrong when it said that Tommy pled guilty.
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"Truth" seems to have a comprehension problem. When someone pleads "guilty" that are admitting, "Yes, I did what I am being accused of." Nevertheless, whether Tommy ever admits it or not, I can tell you for a fact that he IS guilty of sexual abuse.
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"Truth" is undoubtedly Danny Shelton or someone VERY close. Danny first of all your facts stink. You are correct Alice D. did leave her husband not because she was with another man, as you say....but because James D who was the principle of Ezra Christian School was having an affair with a STUDENT who attended Ezra. Why don't you get your facts straight, before you get yourself into trouble. This is another example of the same thing I had to threaten you with to make you delete your absolute lies on the other site.
Like I told you then and I will tell you now...KEEP IT UP! You must love legal battles, huh, Danny "Truth"?
Furthermore, I think it is disgusting of you to bring their divorce into this. But that is your MO isn't it? So why should I be surprised. I mean after having faced two questionable divorces yourself it seems odd that you would open that can of worms. Unbelievable.
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LOL. "Truth" seems to have anger issues. It comes out in the vile, hateful posts on the "other site."
I was at Danny's house because Carol called me over there to try and calm Tommy down. He was upset and laying in the floor after one of the accusations had been made. Danny knows this is true. He was even in the room part of the time and was asking questions about it. He can deny it of course, but it doesn't make it untrue.
Alice did not "leave her husband and kids for another man." As far as I know, she didn't even meet her present husband until years later. I will be notifying her of the slanderous post about her.
Say what you want about me. It won't affect me one bit. I know the truth and so does God. No one else really matters. Have a good day! :wave:
Truith, if you need someone to talk to about your anger let me know. Maybe I can recommend someone.
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LOL! For someone who wants to be called "Truth" you certainly are getting angry when truth is spoken. The event happened just as I stated. If I'm lying, Danny, Tommy, Catol or whoever can refute it publicly. Since I post under my real name and you hide behind a computer screen, it's abundantly clear to anyone reading who is truthful and who is angrily denying it.
Your anger is understandable to a degree. You tried for well over a year to tell us Tommy was innocent, then he admits his guilt in court even going so far as to say "I am remorseful." One cannot be remorseful for something they did not do. Then you said 3AbBN would never settle with Alex, and they did. All on a site that is dwarfed by Adventtalk. You're especially angry at me becausee I still had emails anda letter from from Tommy in which he again admits to what he did. Most of all, you're angry because your intimidation is completely useless against me. Get used to it. That will never change. :)
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Truith, if you need someone to talk to about your anger let me know. Maybe I can recommend someone.
Do you think "Truth" needs counseling? ;)
Anyone know where we can find clips of Tommy's depo where he claims that if he answers simple questions, I think including questions about Danny, that he could become criminally liable?
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I see that "Truth" manifests a lot of inside knowledge about Tommy's cases, but yet tries to deny that Tommy pled guilty in July 2010 by saying that his Alford plea in early 2012 did not admit to any wrong doing.
Looks like intentional deception, if you ask me, to accuse me of being wrong about the July 2010 plea by only talking about the early 2012 plea. I think "Truth" should change his/her screen name, but then, a liar wouldn't care if their screen name was dishonest.
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It must be insanely frustrating to try to argue with someone who just won't get angry. Lol
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And no, I don't believe ANYONE needs counseling. The Bible is very clear that we are not to use secular counselors.
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Interesting how "Truth" claims that the affidavits wouldn't hold up in court. How would "Truth" even know?
Remember the days long ago when, was it Bystander?, on BlackSDA.com one of the Danny clones said they thought that the courts wouldn't permit us to do mush discovery to speak of. Well, so much for that legal opinion. The magistrate in southern Illinois told us the day before Simpson filed for dismissal that 3ABN had opened up a can of worms, and it was a very large can of worms. We were entitled to do a lot of discovery when defending ourselves.
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It makes you wonder what exactly struck a nerve with "Truth" in those affidavits. Something certainly has. I have not seen Alice's affidavit but every word in mine is 100% fact. If "Truth" is not Danny, Carol or Tommy, then "Truth" was not present when the conversation took place and has nothing relevant or factual to add to the discussion. Of course, we don't know who "Truth" is because they are a coward. Sad existence indeed.
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"Truth", you should know about "talking smack" after trashing Alex, Bob, Gailon, me and now Alice. You are a huge hypocrite. Your anger is clouding your judgment. Sad. I'm the SO over cowards like you who hide behind a screen name. Not worth my time. Sorry to disappoint you. Lol
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Just noticed something. It's interesting that it came out I had seen Danny in a restaurant AND the grocery store. That means I've been discussed yet again. Ahhhh, it's heartwarming to have so many loving fans. :cool: