Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on May 26, 2009, 10:43:56 AM
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Someone told me that millions of dollars have gone to Russia over the years. They thought it was possible that Danny was squirreling away some of that money into secret accounts.
One way Danny could make sure that no one can accuse him of doing something with the money being sent to Russia like he did with the money being sent to Remnant is to make sure that there is a full accounting of all the money being sent to Russia.
The problem is that 3ABN's auditors each year report that they can't figure out what sort of affect the Russian expenditures have on 3ABN's financial statements, since 3ABN "does not report its investment in" the Russian branch. The auditors note year after year that they believe this to be a violation of GAAP.
So, given 3ABN's intentional departure from GAAP as it pertains to money sent to Russia, a departure brought to their attention many times by the auditors, what likelihood is there that something questionable is going on, like what was going on with Remnant?
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You know, I have been wondering about that for a while now. It would be interesting to find out what type of accounting requirements 3ABN Russia must abide by and if there are any publicly available reports such as there are in the U.S. Right now, I do not have the time available to research this.
Fran - any ideas?
In the meantime, I think it would be a good question to post to the Illinois Attorney General. I can do that.
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Someone told me that millions of dollars have gone to Russia over the years. They thought it was possible that Danny was squirreling away some of that money into secret accounts.
One way Danny could make sure that no one can accuse him of doing something with the money being sent to Russia like he did with the money being sent to Remnant is to make sure that there is a full accounting of all the money being sent to Russia.
The problem is that 3ABN's auditors each year report that they can't figure out what sort of affect the Russian expenditures have on 3ABN's financial statements, since 3ABN "does not report its investment in" the Russian branch. The auditors note year after year that they believe this to be a violation of GAAP.
So, given 3ABN's intentional departure from GAAP as it pertains to money sent to Russia, a departure brought to their attention many times by the auditors, what likelihood is there that something questionable is going on, like what was going on with Remnant?
There you go again Pickle--"Someone told me" so it just must be true. Well, it isn't true. But it sure smacks of you trying to find anything and everything you possibly can to try to bring God's work and workers down--and if one place fails, such as the negative DNA test, then you must go to the next plan--what is it by now? Plan Z? I think there is a name for what you are doing: Harassment. I don't believe that it is legal to harass people.
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Someone told me that millions of dollars have gone to Russia over the years. They thought it was possible that Danny was squirreling away some of that money into secret accounts.
One way Danny could make sure that no one can accuse him of doing something with the money being sent to Russia like he did with the money being sent to Remnant is to make sure that there is a full accounting of all the money being sent to Russia.
The problem is that 3ABN's auditors each year report that they can't figure out what sort of affect the Russian expenditures have on 3ABN's financial statements, since 3ABN "does not report its investment in" the Russian branch. The auditors note year after year that they believe this to be a violation of GAAP.
So, given 3ABN's intentional departure from GAAP as it pertains to money sent to Russia, a departure brought to their attention many times by the auditors, what likelihood is there that something questionable is going on, like what was going on with Remnant?
There you go again Pickle--"Someone told me" so it just must be true. Well, it isn't true. But it sure smacks of you trying to find anything and everything you possibly can to try to bring God's work and workers down--and if one place fails, such as the negative DNA test, then you must go to the next plan--what is it by now? Plan Z? I think there is a name for what you are doing: Harassment. I don't believe that it is legal to harass people.
It's illegal in heaven and earth to molest children even if they are consenting. Were you aware of that, Junebug? Were you aware that it was morally reprehensible for Danny Shelton to cover up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton?
And note, I did not say the thing about Russia must be true. But given the fact that the auditors have noted this problem over and over again, and given the fact that Danny Shelton laundered hundreds of thousands of dollars of 3ABN money through Remnant into his own pockets, the question needs to be asked, and 3ABN needs to answer it. Where is the accounting for how all the money was spent that went over to Russia?
I do not believe that private inurement and child molestation and unbiblical divorce and perjury are God's work.
Given the circumstances, is it appropriate to call Danny Shelton "God's worker"?
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Someone told me that millions of dollars have gone to Russia over the years. They thought it was possible that Danny was squirreling away some of that money into secret accounts.
One way Danny could make sure that no one can accuse him of doing something with the money being sent to Russia like he did with the money being sent to Remnant is to make sure that there is a full accounting of all the money being sent to Russia.
The problem is that 3ABN's auditors each year report that they can't figure out what sort of affect the Russian expenditures have on 3ABN's financial statements, since 3ABN "does not report its investment in" the Russian branch. The auditors note year after year that they believe this to be a violation of GAAP.
So, given 3ABN's intentional departure from GAAP as it pertains to money sent to Russia, a departure brought to their attention many times by the auditors, what likelihood is there that something questionable is going on, like what was going on with Remnant?
There you go again Pickle--"Someone told me" so it just must be true. Well, it isn't true. But it sure smacks of you trying to find anything and everything you possibly can to try to bring God's work and workers down--and if one place fails, such as the negative DNA test, then you must go to the next plan--what is it by now? Plan Z? I think there is a name for what you are doing: Harassment. I don't believe that it is legal to harass people.
It's illegal in heaven and earth to molest children even if they are consenting. Were you aware of that, Junebug? Were you aware that it was morally reprehensible for Danny Shelton to cover up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton?
And note, I did not say the thing about Russia must be true. But given the fact that the auditors have noted this problem over and over again, and given the fact that Danny Shelton laundered hundreds of thousands of dollars of 3ABN money through Remnant into his won pockets, the question needs to be asked, and 3ABN needs to answer it. Where is the accounting for how all the money was spent that went over to Russia?
I do not believe that private inurement and child molestation and unbiblical divorce and perjury is God's work.
Given the circumstances, is it appropriate to call Danny Shelton "God's worker"?
Mr. Pickle, do you ever READ or try to comprehend what others write on here? Or are you so into your own agenda that you cannot see beyond your own glasses? YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE of anyone at 3ABN, including Danny Shelton of "laundering hundreds of thousands of dollars of 3ABN money through Remnant." YOU HAVE NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE AT ALL. You have NEVER SHOWN ANY HERE. SHOW IT if you have it.
You KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT SIR. You have tunnel vision with a one-track mind. You seem to feel very free to accuse blindly without any evidence. SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE. If you don't show it, then it is time to STOP.
I will no longer converse with you Mr. Pickle. You are pitiful really--your accusations are all based on fluff--clouds--nothing that any court would take seriously. Go ahead Snoopy and contact the AG--do you think 3ABN cares? THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, including Danny Shelton. So it is no problem for you to contact anyone about them.
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Mr. Pickle, do you ever READ or try to comprehend what others write on here? Or are you so into your own agenda that you cannot see beyond your own glasses? YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE of anyone at 3ABN, including Danny Shelton of "laundering hundreds of thousands of dollars of 3ABN money through Remnant." YOU HAVE NO PROOF OR EVIDENCE AT ALL. You have NEVER SHOWN ANY HERE. SHOW IT if you have it.
We have repeatedly demonstrated that Danny Shelton funneled between $749,000 and $809,000 through Remnant between 2005 and 2007. That is derived from Remnant's IRS Form 990 filings and was originally posted in the last half of 2007 at http://www.save-3abn.com/danny-shelton-remnant-hides-royalties.htm (http://www.save-3abn.com/danny-shelton-remnant-hides-royalties.htm). You have to add the 2007 amount to what that page shows in order to come up with $749,000 to $809,000. You haven't seen that yet?
As far as what the documents from Remnant say, I would be happy to share that. But you will first have to get Danny Shelton to give me permission to do that, since the Plaintiffs designated those documents as confidential, wrongly I believe.
Now, do you think Danny is going to give me permission?
You KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT SIR. You have tunnel vision with a one-track mind. You seem to feel very free to accuse blindly without any evidence. SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE. If you don't show it, then it is time to STOP.
Are you asking me to show the evidence that you think that if the minor was consenting, that somehow makes child molestation Okay?
I will no longer converse with you Mr. Pickle.
Since when were you interested in conversing anyway? You appear to have an agenda.
THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, including Danny Shelton.
Junebug, what makes you tick? You blast others and thus come across like you care about moral values, but then you make statements like this which suggest that you could care less about true biblical morality.
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Go ahead Snoopy and contact the AG--do you think 3ABN cares? THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, including Danny Shelton. So it is no problem for you to contact anyone about them.
Why thank you, Junebug. I already did.
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I have been asking where the consolidated financial statements were! Russia is not the only country that is missing. All of their out of country offices should have separate statements and the 3ABN is supposed to prepare the consolidated financial statements! Period.
This has never happened because of Danny's character!
I have always wondered how all this happened to Danny. How did it progress? What caused it to become public to all of Adventists?
Today I saw how sin always happens.
Look and see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_Msrdg3Hk
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Someone told me that millions of dollars have gone to Russia over the years. They thought it was possible that Danny was squirreling away some of that money into secret accounts.
One way Danny could make sure that no one can accuse him of doing something with the money being sent to Russia like he did with the money being sent to Remnant is to make sure that there is a full accounting of all the money being sent to Russia.
The problem is that 3ABN's auditors each year report that they can't figure out what sort of affect the Russian expenditures have on 3ABN's financial statements, since 3ABN "does not report its investment in" the Russian branch. The auditors note year after year that they believe this to be a violation of GAAP.
So, given 3ABN's intentional departure from GAAP as it pertains to money sent to Russia, a departure brought to their attention many times by the auditors, what likelihood is there that something questionable is going on, like what was going on with Remnant?
There you go again Pickle--"Someone told me" so it just must be true. Well, it isn't true. But it sure smacks of you trying to find anything and everything you possibly can to try to bring God's work and workers down--and if one place fails, such as the negative DNA test, then you must go to the next plan--what is it by now? Plan Z? I think there is a name for what you are doing: Harassment. I don't believe that it is legal to harass people.
It's illegal in heaven and earth to molest children even if they are consenting. Were you aware of that, Junebug? Were you aware that it was morally reprehensible for Danny Shelton to cover up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton?
And note, I did not say the thing about Russia must be true. But given the fact that the auditors have noted this problem over and over again, and given the fact that Danny Shelton laundered hundreds of thousands of dollars of 3ABN money through Remnant into his own pockets, the question needs to be asked, and 3ABN needs to answer it. Where is the accounting for how all the money was spent that went over to Russia?
I do not believe that private inurement and child molestation and unbiblical divorce and perjury are God's work.
Given the circumstances, is it appropriate to call Danny Shelton "God's worker"?
Polly want a cracker? :ROFL:
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Polly want a cracker? :ROFL:
LOL! I like that! With all the repetion of assumption and doodoo that you do... Polly want a cracker? :ROFL:
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Fran, that youtube video is exactly how Satan works to catch us in his snare. Thanks for the reminder.
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Hope everyone watched the opening night of campmeeting at 3abn. The Shelton and Gilley families did congregational songs and then the 5 Shelton siblings did a song. Pastor CD Brooks had the sermon and it was fantastic. You could see all the audience shots and the place was packed. Unusual for a wednesday night. By Sabbath it will be standing room only!
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It was very sad when I read that many, many Adventist will fall at the end. You know the unjust ones. The unjust is stated in Vol. 5. The ones that attend the church faithfully but do not know what they are lacking until too late. All of a sudden facing judgement they have horror. (Never be a follower. Especially when there is hardly no standing room!!)
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Sam, I watched it and it was wonderful. I have been blessed for having watched it. For those who did not hear Elder Brooks please try to hear it at another time. You will rejoice that you did.
Tinka, It is very sad to read negative talk about the Lord's work. You didn't even hear Elder Brooks message or you would not have said what you did. Would you have said the same thing when the followers of Jesus Christ all came together to hear His message? Standing in the judgement may find you in horror at hearing your own words against the Lord and His Kinsmen.
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Donna,
I have nothing to say negitive about CH Brooks. In fact there is no sermon that is not wonderful. Read my post again. Nothing neg about Brooks. You put that in yourself. I just do not understand the connection and will not watch 3abn. I will not be led to go there until all is cleared of deceivement. Your statement put DS a kinsman of God. You got to be kidding!!
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I believe that those who read what both you and I wrote and heard Elder C. D. Brooks will understand and especially that we are all blessed to have the Lord as our Kinsman.
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Donna,
Everyone can always go to God as a Kinsman, but never on our terms but His. and the word is always if, if you follow him, if you love him, if you serve him, if you believe in Him. if you trust Him. And why not on His terms as He is our Creator. It takes choice in the whole matter. I am a little week in all things but know the rules with no ifs and ands about it. I just try each day and and cannot see how people can live with cover up when God sees all. A believer would have to be almost ignorant in the mind or something wrong mentally to do cover up and still claim innocent. You know one is wrong!! EGW says that when many people see and many people can detect wrong you need to head in that direction if your head does not make good discision. (Not exatly in those words but implying that)
I watch all the good speakers but not on DS turf. I hope that Hope channel takes over. I just was able to get it and now enjoying it.
I have been completely out of SDA programing on tv for a couple of years time. Were you saying Brooks the father or the son was speaking? I used to have the 3abn dish and paid for it when it was turned off from viewing.
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Hope everyone watched the opening night of campmeeting at 3abn. The Shelton and Gilley families did congregational songs and then the 5 Shelton siblings did a song. Pastor CD Brooks had the sermon and it was fantastic. You could see all the audience shots and the place was packed. Unusual for a wednesday night. By Sabbath it will be standing room only!
What does this have to do with the Topic. And Bob is always being accused of changing the subject, is this not your tactic or are you just trying to slip in a commercial for their campmeeting? :hamster:
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I have been wondering about all these "Holy is Danny" people. Could it be because they are with Danny in the "Big Black Hole" safe trying to get out without getting caught red handed as Danny did?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_Msrdg3Hk
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I have been wondering about all these "Holy is Danny" people. Could it be because they are with Danny in the "Big Black Hole" safe trying to get out without getting caught red handed as Danny did?
You know Fran, I've looked back and for some odd reason I'm not finding where anyone said Danny was or is holy. Could you show me where you found where someone said this? I don't know ??? where to find it--I've looked and looked. Unless you can show me where someone who supports 3ABN said this, I'm afraid your "wondering" is incorrect. I certainly don't know anyone who supports 3ABN who thinks Danny is Holy. :dunno:
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Fran,
Since YouTube appears to be a reliable source for analogy or metaphor, this one might be accurately titled "The Way to Tear Down a Ministry by "Rob"bert"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyqk8YuZpI
- anyman
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It wasn't false information that Linda was abruptly and entirely removed from 3ABN. And that we know from just being viewers of 3ABN. And that attempts to stifle Linda's ministry came from those involved at 3ABN. And now Danny is back going strong in public view, along with Brandy. So disgusting. God can still bless His Word as it goes out, but that doesn't mean we have to accept the wrongs that are done at 3ABN. I also watch Hope and LLBN. What a blessing they are.
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Tinka,
I can see why you may be confused. Since you did not quote what was said and the context of each is omitted we only have how you as an individual chose to understand and present them for your own benefit and/or agenda. I am sorry but we see too much of that and it really isn't acceptable except by the very few who do that.
I have heard Elder C.D. Brooks speak for many years and did not know he had a son who spoke also. Actually I was not talking about the speaker alone but about the whole 2 hours of programing. All was spiritually uplifting.
Tinka
Re: The Russian problem
« Reply #12 on: Today at 01:05:09 AM »
(Never be a follower. Especially when there is hardly no standing room!!)
Reply #16 on: Today at 08:04:03 AM »
EGW says that when many people see and many people can detect wrong you need to head in that direction if your head does not make good discision. (Not exatly in those words but implying that)
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Donna,
When I have to prove something official I can, I have the whole White Estate Library on my computer plus read each book cover to cover and underlined and summarized each with in the book and can reach anything when I want to quote at any time. I also know when a quote is misdone or worded wrong from immediate usage when important. It would do no good on here as I have already learned as then it starts a whole different thing on the usage of EGW and I mostly refrain from giving those downers of her the opportunity. So you won't see but abbreviated comment so that they can come back on me just like you just did. It is not long before each poster has defined their belief, where they are at and can discern which side they protect with closed eyes and ears. The Reformers often and as much as they can mix the quotes to their own beliefs.
I do not have my own agenda when my own agenda was to further the work of the message through 3abn with donations and then to see what rolls out of it from there much to my dismay and anger.
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Hey Anyman
This must be your training video to prepare your crew to spread falsehoods so quickly! Amazing! However, I am not into that! So, you guys continue on perfecting the task!
All the evidence is out there for the world to see! You guys refuse to read the writing on the wall! Y'all still think Danny is still the king. It makes me wonder what he is blackmailing you for!
I have been reading and reading. "Pride goeth before the fall!" Watch out! Make sure it doesn't fall on you!
Fran,
Since YouTube appears to be a reliable source for analogy or metaphor, this one might be accurately titled "The Way to Tear Down a Ministry by "Rob"bert"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPyqk8YuZpI
- anyman
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You know Fran, I've looked back and for some odd reason I'm not finding where anyone said Danny was or is holy. Could you show me where you found where someone said this? I don't know ??? where to find it--I've looked and looked. Unless you can show me where someone who supports 3ABN said this, I'm afraid your "wondering" is incorrect. I certainly don't know anyone who supports 3ABN who thinks Danny is Holy. :dunno:
Really? Looked and looked? According to the times on the posts, assuming you had begun your research at the instant Fran posted, you would have had only 1 hour, 4 minutes and 30 seconds to "look and look."
You could earn big bucks as a researcher with skills like that.
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Just doing some figuring here. At present, there are 14664 posts on AdventTalk. Junebug says she "looked and looked" for someone saying Danny is holy.
Now then. There was a total of 3870 seconds in elapsed time between when Fran posted and Junebug responded. That means Junebug had .26 seconds to review each post. That's almost 4 posts per second! (That is, or course, assuming that AdventTalk was the only forum she researched.)
We truly have a "human search engine" among us!
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This might be a reasonable post if it weren't out of whack.
1. Junebug would have only had to search through the posts of those who support/defend 3ABN since that is where one might find someone making a comment like the one Fran used and Junebug challenged.
Now let's just for arguments sake say that half of all posts were written by those attacking and half by those defending. That would mean she would have had to search only 7,332 posts. Now this would mean that she had .53 seconds to review each post.
However, you need to take another 69 posts off the total she had to review, as she knew she did not use the phrase. So now the total is 7,263 which would have given her, again, .52 seconds per post.
2. We all know that the balance of posting is certainly balanced to the attackers side. So, conservatively, let's take 2,000 off the total she had to review. Now we are at 5,263. Now she has .72 seconds to review each post.
3. Let's take off a reasonable amount for the very short 1 - 3 sentence posts, another 1,000. So now there are 4,263 posts to look at, now it's .91 seconds per post.
4. Now toss in the fact that Junebug probably has read all of the posts by the defenders more than once and is probably familiar with a number of them and we are probably down to 100 posts that she would have had to review to refresh her memory. So, she would have had 39 seconds for each post, leaving her enough time to go get a nice frozen confection from the freezer and return to write her post to Fran.
- anyman
Just doing some figuring here. At present, there are 14664 posts on AdventTalk. Junebug says she "looked and looked" for someone saying Danny is holy.
Now then. There was a total of 3870 seconds in elapsed time between when Fran posted and Junebug responded. That means Junebug had .26 seconds to review each post. That's almost 4 posts per second! (That is, or course, assuming that AdventTalk was the only forum she researched.)
We truly have a "human search engine" among us!
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This is hilarious!
I never said anyone said Danny was Holy! That is what "I" said! You guys are defending a liar! It is one of his cherished sins! How can I say that? Because he repeatedly lies!
You guys think he is exempt from the ten commandments! He has been lying and cheating so long he even believes his own lies.
Now, let's get back to the reason we are here!
Why aren't there any financial statements from Russia, Australia, and all the other facilities run by 3ABN? You have done your Delbert run, but now you need to get back to the topic and tell us why the financial statements are still missing? Why is there no accounting for those facilities! I believe there needs to be an accounting as soon as possible. Why would Danny hide that from the financial statements for all these years.
In my opinion, Danny found a black hole to take from! Yet you guy's hold him above accountability! You guys are beyond help. Surely you must be drawing from the same Black Hole, or Danny has something to blackmail you for! That is my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_Msrdg3Hk
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Sam, I watched it and it was wonderful. I have been blessed for having watched it. For those who did not hear Elder Brooks please try to hear it at another time. You will rejoice that you did.
Tinka, It is very sad to read negative talk about the Lord's work. You didn't even hear Elder Brooks message or you would not have said what you did. Would you have said the same thing when the followers of Jesus Christ all came together to hear His message? Standing in the judgement may find you in horror at hearing your own words against the Lord and His Kinsmen.
HA! Are you KIDDING? If he is going to teach me to act like some of you folks I don't want anything to do with it.
By the way, Donna - nice hair. You too, Cindy.
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I will no longer converse with you Mr. Pickle. You are pitiful really--your accusations are all based on fluff--clouds--nothing that any court would take seriously. Go ahead Snoopy and contact the AG--do you think 3ABN cares? THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG, including Danny Shelton. So it is no problem for you to contact anyone about them.
:huh:
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Someone told me that millions of dollars have gone to Russia over the years. They thought it was possible that Danny was squirreling away some of that money into secret accounts.
Any more information on this?
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Ok so is Russia all that safe for money laundering? Why not the Cayman Islands or some other location known for keeping funds "offshore"?
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Ok so is Russia all that safe for money laundering? Why not the Cayman Islands or some other location known for keeping funds "offshore"?
I didn't realize there had ever been allegations of money laundering, given the definition of the term. When did that come up?
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Well now, maybe I used the wrong word. Let's just say to hide money(that is basically what is being said, right?)....either one....I thought places like the Cayman Islands were the way to go for most..........I might be wrong.
I actually think I said that, because it is money that is still being used, it's just that the trail is being hidden, so that an accurate accounting/audit cannot be done by IRS, other financial and/or judicial authorities.
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Well now, maybe I used the wrong word. Let's just say to hide money(that is basically what is being said, right?)....either one....I thought places like the Cayman Islands were the way to go for most..........I might be wrong.
I actually think I said that, because it is money that is still being used, it's just that the trail is being hidden, so that an accurate accounting/audit cannot be done by IRS, other financial and/or judicial authorities.
I understand what you mean, but that is not money laundering. I think it is important to be careful with the accusations we make here.
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Ok not a problem, Snoopy. :-) It is good to be clear.....perfectly transparent.......