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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on August 26, 2010, 07:48:14 PM
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Perhaps last Wednesday, August 18, Jim Gilley, reported to be 3ABN's current CEO and president, received a demand letter from some attorneys representing molestation victims of Tommy Shelton, offering to negotiate a settlement without litigation.
The letter made clear that the offer to negotiate a settlement without litigation was only available until September 10, and that if a settlement was not reached within 30 days, the chances of settling after that were pretty slim.
So the big question now is, What will 3ABN do? Will they take these attorneys up on their offer? Or will they fight it tooth and nail?
I wish there was a way to poll 3ABN's donors to see which choice they would prefer. After all, it will be donor money that gets spent either way. Which route would be a better use of donor funds?
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IF I was Jim Gilley, I would say "Danny, it's been fun, but I'm outta here."
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It appears that some believe there is no case against 3ABN.
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It appears that some believe there is no case against 3ABN.
Yes, but, I find it hard to believe that attorneys such as John Manly would take a case if he wasn't confident he would win. The man has a reputation that is incredible. So, obviously, yes, there has to be a case. 3ABN is in a sling, so the defenders need to realize that.
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3ABN is in a sling because the leader of this cult and his followers believe that laws don't pertain to him.
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horsethief :amen: :goodpost:
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I voted in case any want to know 3 checks 1. Respond before time 2. Settle in 30 days and 3. 3abn leaders pay up. simple vote according to documents of "guilty", it needs to be over and done-- with compensation. and no if or ands about it. and I hope the victims can get some comfort and peace from justice. Most important is giving the victims the thought and feeling that the majority of people do not condone and do care of what nasty devilish acts that sickos can cause others and that justice will put them away. and from there hope their lives can come together as someone stood up for the right and good of the afflicted
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Anyone who wants to can change their vote by deleting it and then voting again.
You may choose up to four choices, from what I recall.
When might the media pick the story up? Anyone know?
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12 more days until 3ABN's deadline is over to respond to John C. Manly. One must wonder will they? Will Walter Thomson now realize that he should have listened to Pastor Dryden? It will be interesting to see......
Bob, I know that the attorney's for the victims are anxious to take this to the media....
Time's running out!
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12 more days until 3ABN's deadline is over to respond to John C. Manly. One must wonder will they? Will Walter Thomson now realize that he should have listened to Pastor Dryden? It will be interesting to see......
Bob, I know that the attorney's for the victims are anxious to take this to the media....
Time's running out!
Actually, NO ONE should be listening to Glenn Dryden.
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Actually, NO ONE should be listening to Glenn Dryden.
From a legal liability standpoint, Walt Thompson and Danny should have listened.
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Actually, NO ONE should be listening to Glenn Dryden.
From a legal liability standpoint, Walt Thompson and Danny should have listened.
From a Christian standpoint. Glenn Dryden should have never sent the letter.
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Ok so I just saw this thread Friday and did not have time to respond. Now what exactly is it they wasn 3ABN to do about TS? Besides being Danny's brother, and an employee.........I am not sure what they can do. I am asking for clarity as I dont' really to read here everyday, and you do miss somethings when you come a little alte to the discussions.
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Di,
Tommy's victims want 3ABN to negotiate a settlement. If 3ABN refuses, their lawyers say they're going to file suit against 3ABN.
It was this kind of scenario that I was concerned about in late 2006. By Tommy coming back to 3ABN to work, and by Danny covering everything up, Danny was putting 3ABN in jeopardy.
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Got it! Yeah, that was a bad move.
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Di,
Tommy's victims want 3ABN to negotiate a settlement. If 3ABN refuses, their lawyers say they're going to file suit against 3ABN.
It was this kind of scenario that I was concerned about in late 2006. By Tommy coming back to 3ABN to work, and by Danny covering everything up, Danny was putting 3ABN in jeopardy.
Not to mention the fact that some abuse happened on 3ABN property.
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My attorney's have informed me so far they have not heard anything from President Jim Gilley.
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Di,
Tommy's victims want 3ABN to negotiate a settlement. If 3ABN refuses, their lawyers say they're going to file suit against 3ABN.
It was this kind of scenario that I was concerned about in late 2006. By Tommy coming back to 3ABN to work, and by Danny covering everything up, Danny was putting 3ABN in jeopardy.
Not to mention the fact that some abuse happened on 3ABN property.
Uh oh. They're in trouble.
My attorney's have informed me so far they have not heard anything from President Jim Gilley.
How long does Jim usually take to respond to letters?
Some lawyers make a lot of money. Would any of these lawyers be interested in donating to 3ABN?
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How will this affect the dismissed lawsuit against you and Joy that you are appealing, or is it were appealing?
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I hate these quotes. Edited to fix it....
I am going to quote part of the Demand letter that was sent to President Gilley:
"Our clients are benefitted by having full documentation of many of the allegations, witnesses and written statements. We are in possession of all these materials."
It goes on to say,
"In my 20 years of experience as a trial lawyer, I can count on one hand the amount of times I have accepted a case as well- documented as this. Both of our clients are both well spoken, credible, and extremely sympathetic If you doubt me, I urge you to obtain the transcript from their testimony in the criminal matter."
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I hate these quotes. Edited to fix it....
I am going to quote part of the Demand letter that was sent to President Gilley:
"Our clients are benefitted by having full documentation of many of the allegations, witnesses and written statements. We are in possession of all these materials."
It goes on to say,
"In my 20 years of experience as a trial lawyer, I can count on one hand the amount of times I have accepted a case as well- documented as this. Both of our clients are both well spoken, credible, and extremely sympathetic If you doubt me, I urge you to obtain the transcript from their testimony in the criminal matter."
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That kinda blows all the talk we're hearing from the other site about "oh, it will be thrown out" completely out of the water, doesn't it?
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How will this affect the dismissed lawsuit against you and Joy that you are appealing, or is it were appealing?
We still have two appeals going. One is fully briefed and the other isn't briefed at all. The second appeal got hung up because Attorneys Greg Simpson and John Pucci refuse to return the sealed bank statements that Christine Parizo unlawfully took from the federal courthouse in Worcester, MA.
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"This offer will expire at the close of buiness on September 10, 2010. After that point, we will initiate the filing of a formal lawsuit in Illinois, against 3ABN, Danny Shelton, Pastor Shelton, and other culpable parties."
"In the event we cannot reach a settlement within the next 30 days, the future prospects of successfully resolving this case are, in short, dim."
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"This offer will expire at the close of buiness on September 10, 2010. After that point, we will initiate the filing of a formal lawsuit in Illinois, against 3ABN, Danny Shelton, Pastor Shelton, and other culpable parties."
"In the event we cannot reach a settlement within the next 30 days, the future prospects of successfully resolving this case are, in short, dim."
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The Sheltons do NOT like to be spoken to in this manner. I wonder if they think they can "hang tough" and then this will just go away.
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The second appeal got hung up because Attorneys Greg Simpson and John Pucci refuse to return the sealed bank statements that Christine Parizo unlawfully took from the federal courthouse in Worcester, MA.
It seems to me that this item would be interesting to the media as part of the story.
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Are attorneys Greg Simpson and John Pucci part of the original team that worked for Garwin McNeilus? Or somebody else?
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Are attorneys Greg Simpson and John Pucci part of the original team that worked for Garwin McNeilus? Or somebody else?
You're thinking of Gerald Duffy of Minneapolis.
Pucci is local counsel in Massachusetts.
Simpson used to work for Duffy's firm. Why did he leave? Because of how our case was going? Because Duffy needed to distance himself as far as possible from our case? I don't know.
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More from the letter:
"3ABN's behavior constitutes an ongoing conspiracy of silence that enabled and protected pastor Shelton- it continues to this day. After abusing children in multiple states, 3ABN and Danny Shelton brought Pastor Shelton home to work as a programming director for 3ABN. In 2003, 3ABN was again warned about Pastor Shelton's abuses by Pastor Glen Dryden. In response, 3ABN did nothing. In fact, 3ABN kept Pastor Shelton employed under the guise of being a safe and wholesome representative for a number of years."
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More from the letter:
"3ABN's behavior constitutes an ongoing conspiracy of silence that enabled and protected pastor Shelton- it continues to this day. After abusing children in multiple states, 3ABN and Danny Shelton brought Pastor Shelton home to work as a programming director for 3ABN. In 2003, 3ABN was again warned about Pastor Shelton's abuses by Pastor Glen Dryden. In response, 3ABN did nothing. In fact, 3ABN kept Pastor Shelton employed under the guise of being a safe and wholesome representative for a number of years."
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And there goes the "Danny didn't know" defense.
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If you take a look at page 29 of 3ABN's 2009 Form 990 (http://www.save-3abn.com/media/3abn-form-990-2009-or.pdf), you'll find that 3ABN paid Tommy $8,246 in 2009.
Now Linda got booted out of there in 2004 for talking too long on the telephone to a doctor in Norway, a "sin" called "spiritual adultery" by Danny Shelton, but Tommy molests boys and 3ABN still is having Tommy do work for it. Even though Jim Gilley allegedly took over in 2007.
But payments to Tommy were down from the $12,130 paid in 2008.
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Really?! Tommy Shelton was still being paid by 3ABN in 2009?
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I went back and found a letter I had received from Walt Thompson in Dec '08. I will quote two sentences from it that I thought were timely. "As Chairman of this board, I must accept responsibility for any wrongdoing that might occur here. I take my role seriously." Then later in the letter "Please rest assured that we have no thoughts of cover-up of evil of any kind." Wonder if he has changed his tune?
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Another quote:
"In December of 2006, again Glen Dryden warned 3ABN that Pastor Shelton was still abusing children. At that point, Pastor Shelton failed to appear at a 3ABN broadcasting event in Florida, citing health reasons. Then, instead of reporting him to the authorities, making the information public and reaching out to uncover and aid other victims, 3ABN saw fit to broadcast a tribute to Pastor Shelton where he was interviewed by his brother Danny Shelton. During that tribute show, Pastor Shelton was praised as a good Christian brother...a person of integrity. 3ABN stated it had nothing but good things to say adding it appreciated his Christian experience and Christian walk with the Lord.
No mention was made of the sexual abuse that Pastor Shelton admitted to and that 3ABN condoned. In fact, the only reason cited for his early retirement was health reasons. Pastor Shelton was told that "God was going to be with him." Even these new allegations of sexual abuse of children were not enough to force Danny Shelton and 3ABN to take any permanent action against Pastor Shelton, since as Danny Shelton put it during the broadcasts, "we are telling our viewers that you are not gone...we want you to come back and be with you as often as you can."
Shelton's sexual abuse of chilren is known to a multitude of persons associated with your oganization including among others:
Danny Shelton- Founder and former President and Ceo, and present consultant.
Walter Thompson- Chairman of the Board of Directors."
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That is heavy.
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One can only speculate on why so much physical "heart trouble". The heart and brain don't work together. Hmm.
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Another quote:
"In December of 2006, again Glen Dryden warned 3ABN that Pastor Shelton was still abusing children. At that point, Pastor Shelton failed to appear at a 3ABN broadcasting event in Florida, citing health reasons. Then, instead of reporting him to the authorities, making the information public and reaching out to uncover and aid other victims, 3ABN saw fit to broadcast a tribute to Pastor Shelton where he was interviewed by his brother Danny Shelton. During that tribute show, Pastor Shelton was praised as a good Christian brother...a person of integrity. 3ABN stated it had nothing but good things to say adding it appreciated his Christian experience and Christian walk with the Lord.
No mention was made of the sexual abuse that Pastor Shelton admitted to and that 3ABN condoned. In fact, the only reason cited for his early retirement was health reasons. Pastor Shelton was told that "God was going to be with him." Even these new allegations of sexual abuse of children were not enough to force Danny Shelton and 3ABN to take any permanent action against Pastor Shelton, since as Danny Shelton put it during the broadcasts, "we are telling our viewers that you are not gone...we want you to come back and be with you as often as you can."
Shelton's sexual abuse of chilren is known to a multitude of persons associated with your oganization including among others:
Danny Shelton- Founder and former President and Ceo, and present consultant.
Walter Thompson- Chairman of the Board of Directors."
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The purpose of the televised tribute was simple. It was designed to stick a thumb in the eye of each of Tommy's accusers. This was Danny's way of saying, "See, I'm still in control, so you'd better keep quiet."
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After 3ABN's reprehensible televised tribute to child molester Tommy Shelton, one retired church official wrote Walt Thompson and told him he was outraged.
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Another quote:
"We believe that, along with the underlying sexual abuse, the actions and deliberate inaction by 3ABN constitutes actionable behavior in Illinois. Furthermore, 3ABN's actions have subjected it to civil liability to Pastor Shelton's victims including our clients. Specifically, we intend to file a civil suit against 3ABN including, among others, causes of action for Childhood Sexual Abuse; Failure to Report Childhood Sexual Abuse; Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress' Negligent Infliction of Emotional Distress; Negligent Hiring and Negligent Supervision; Fraud; and Misrepresentation of a Felony."
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"... Negiligent Supervision ...."
What do you mean, "negligent supervision?" Don't you know that Danny Shelton himself is reported to have told a 3ABN employee in 1991 or earlier, "Don't let Tommy eat lunch with so and so," so and so being a young, male 3ABN employee?
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"Our clients are benefitted by having full documentation of many of the allegations, witnesses and written statements. We are in possession of all these materials."
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"In my 20 years of experience as a trial lawyer, I can count on one hand the amount of times I have accepted a case as well- documented as this. ..."
Mighty sobering.
Just think what it would have been like if Danny Shelton had had that good of a case against us. As it was, I got the distinct impression that if Simpson was required to show me where Gailon or I had said what their complaint alleges that we said, he couldn't have done it.
You know, like where we allegedly said that Danny used the company jet for personal trips. The closest thing I could find for that one was where I quoted Administrative Law Judge Barbara Rowe from the 3ABN property tax case where she referred to that kind of thing. But Danny sued me, not Judge Barbara Rowe.
Even so, it is a matter of record that Danny Shelton used the company jet to go get marriage counseling in 2004, and in connection with his personal, private lawsuit against Gailon and myself. So he did use the company jet for personal purposes.
But I still don't know where I said so prior to his filing suit against us. And my quote of Judge Barbra Rowe doesn't really count.
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Another quote:
"As a result of the childhood sexual abuse perpetrated on them, our clients have and will continue to suffer a lifetime of trauma, physical and psychological damage. In addition to the compensatory damages for the harm, we believe that the facts are so egregious in this case that a significant award of special and punitive damages will be awarded. Please know that we have the ability and full intention of pursuing this award by ALL available means."
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Another quote:
"In the event this matter proceeds towards litigation, we will not only be seeking substantial monetary compensation. We will also be seeking injunctive relief in the form of a mandatory broadcast announcement, on 3ABN, of Pastor Shelton's past sexual abuse of children, along with the creation of a staffed, toll free telephone line for all information regarding such to be reported by 3ABN patrons."
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Well that should provide some interesting responses from 3ABN viewers.
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It will also be interesting to see how 3ABN responds to this.
It also seems that 3ABN is getting a taste of their own litigation medicine.
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Good point, Daryl.
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Now a few weeks ago, I was stating that no one has a right to "demand" public repentence from DS or 3ABN. At that time, it could go either way, and like the rest of us DS and 3ABN could have repented while enjoying the fact that God is God who doesn't put your business in the street. However........
Free will palys a part in everything. If DS and 3ABN decide not to settle and go to litigation, they are in essence choosing to bring ALL to the light, including apologies and repentence. You all might just get your wish. I feel badly for them , but they definitely have brought a great deal of this, well all of it on themselves.......sigh
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Now a few weeks ago, I was stating that no one has a right to "demand" public repentence from DS or 3ABN. At that time, it could go either way, and like the rest of us DS and 3ABN could have repented while enjoying the fact that God is God who doesn't put your business in the street. However........
Free will palys a part in everything. If DS and 3ABN decide not to settle and go to litigation, they are in essence choosing to bring ALL to the light, including apologies and repentence. You all might just get your wish. I feel badly for them , but they definitely have brought a great deal of this, well all of it on themselves.......sigh
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Seeing today is September 8th, does anybody know the actual deadline date?
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Seeing today is September 8th, does anybody know the actual deadline date?
Sept. 10 is my understanding.
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The letter made clear that the offer to negotiate a settlement without litigation was only available until September 10, and that if a settlement was not reached within 30 days, the chances of settling after that were pretty slim.
So 3ABN has until Friday to agree to negotiate without litigation.
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So 3ABN has until Friday to agree to negotiate without litigation.
It's almost Friday in this part of the World.
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It's almost noon on Friday in this part of the world.
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Hey, Daryl, you could call up 3ABN and ask them what they're going to do. Or someone else could.
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I predict they will ignore it, hoping it goes away.
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I predict they will ignore it, hoping it goes away.
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Someone else can. :cat:
Hey, Daryl, you could call up 3ABN and ask them what they're going to do. Or someone else could.
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And, Bob, you would expect them to say anything else but "it's none of your business?" Please tell me that is the only answer you know you should expect.
Hey, Daryl, you could call up 3ABN and ask them what they're going to do. Or someone else could.
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And, Bob, you would expect them to say anything else but "it's none of your business?" Please tell me that is the only answer you know you should expect.
Hey, Daryl, you could call up 3ABN and ask them what they're going to do. Or someone else could.
It most certainly IS the donors' business.
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Good night Danny, Molly, Shelly, Brenda, John and Walt...
Hope you stay away from the children...
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It will be interesting to see, now that it appears that 3ABN has responded to the demand letter, what their strategy will be.
In what seems to be a humorous twist, the hunter is now the hunted. And if those placing demands upon 3ABN have any smarts at all, they'll have a number of aces up their sleeves, ready to play when the time is right. Perhaps 3ABN will drag it all into court at their attorney's behest. That is what insincere attorney's do best, milk their clients for as many billable hours as possible. I got a feeling their attorney just told 3ABN the retainer for his services just went up---a lot!
It will be interesting to see who will tell the truth in all of this. Will folk at/around 3ABN suddenly "get religion" and find their backbone and be honest? Or, will they continue to be the limp, wet noodles they have been to this point?
There's a sword in the air, but it ain't hovering over Battle Creek.....
...except you repent, you shall all likewise perish," Luke 13:3
SDAminister
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It will be interesting to see, now that it appears that 3ABN has responded to the demand letter, what their strategy will be.
In what seems to be a humorous twist, the hunter is now the hunted. And if those placing demands upon 3ABN have any smarts at all, they'll have a number of aces up their sleeves, ready to play when the time is right. Perhaps 3ABN will drag it all into court at their attorney's behest. That is what insincere attorney's do best, milk their clients for as many billable hours as possible. I got a feeling their attorney just told 3ABN the retainer for his services just went up---a lot!
It will be interesting to see who will tell the truth in all of this. Will folk at/around 3ABN suddenly "get religion" and find their backbone and be honest? Or, will they continue to be the limp, wet noodles they have been to this point?
There's a sword in the air, but it ain't hovering over Battle Creek.....
...except you repent, you shall all likewise perish," Luke 13:3
SDAminister
Wow! You must be very closely connected to this, SDAminister! Sounds like you have access to insider information! Just don't trade on it...hahaha!
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"Hundreds of sex abuse victims have come forward in Belgium with harrowing accounts of molestation by Catholic clergy that reportedly led to at least 13 suicides and affected children as young as two, a special commission said Friday. ..."
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/09/10/world/AP-Church-Abuse-Belgium.html?_r=1
A revolution is coming at 3ABN, and you won't believe who will be the most surprised. Watch for it......
SDAminister
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How sin sick can someone be? And yet others covered it up. they were just as bad. I feel so sorry for these kids- only Jesus Christ can heal this type of hurt and at this point they probably want nothing to do with any type of religion :praying:
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A revolution is coming at 3ABN, and you won't believe who will be the most surprised. Watch for it......
SDAminister
Many are curious.
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"Hundreds of sex abuse victims have come forward in Belgium with harrowing accounts of molestation by Catholic clergy that reportedly led to at least 13 suicides and affected children as young as two, a special commission said Friday. ..."
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/09/10/world/AP-Church-Abuse-Belgium.html?_r=1
A revolution is coming at 3ABN, and you won't believe who will be the most surprised. Watch for it......
SDAminister
:huh:
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This article should clear up every question that anyone has ever had about 3ABN and was afraid to ask.
http://cpedia.com/wiki?q=Shelton&guess_ambig=Native+American+heritage+depicting+ (http://cpedia.com/wiki?q=Shelton&guess_ambig=Native+American+heritage+depicting+)
According to this page, DS is apparently also linked to the Beverly Hills 90210 TV show.
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Not the most unbiassed report I have ever read. :D
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OK?!! This must be something like Wikepedia or something.
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Not the most unbiassed report I have ever read. :D
There are a number of inaccuracies and gaps in this repport.
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Agreed-not the most unbiased- where is this site based? How do they get their info? Like Wikepedia- anyone can add?
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I'm famous again. Oh yay.
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Is it possibly an accurate reflection of what is out there? Is it a good representation of the public's perception? It definitely provides some interesting reading.
http://www.cpedia.com/info/ (http://www.cpedia.com/info/)
Welcome to Cpedia (alpha) — the automated encyclopedia from Cuil.
Traditionally, search engines have returned a list of references in response to a query — ten blue links. Cpedia changes this.
A natural way for people to receive information is a report — a summary of the topic. Current search results are more analogous to receiving a bibliography than a sourced report.
For each query, Cpedia algorithmically summarizes and clusters the ideas on the web and uses this to generate a report. We do the heavy lifting of removing all the repetition, so that unique and novel content surfaces. Just as Wikipedia uses the effort of a large number of people to edit a topic, we combine all the documents written about an idea on the web to generate one article.
There are many surprising relationships on the web… but one warning, not everything people say on the web is true.
Are you ready to read the Web?
If you thought the other article was interesting. Check these out.
http://www.cpedia.com/search?q=3abn (http://www.cpedia.com/search?q=3abn)
http://www.cpedia.com/search?q=Tommy+Shelton (http://www.cpedia.com/search?q=Tommy+Shelton)
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Quite an unreliable source. It states that my wife, Irmgard, did things she never could have done. Wonder who has fed them this information?
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Quite an unreliable source. It states that my wife, Irmgard, did things she never could have done. Wonder who has fed them this information?
What did they say about your wife? I just looked at the two links and do not see her name.
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Quite an unreliable source. It states that my wife, Irmgard, did things she never could have done. Wonder who has fed them this information?
What did they say about your wife? I just looked at the two links and do not see her name.
I found that when I typed my own name at the top, Johann Thorvaldsson
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Sure is quiet. Calm before the storm? :hot: Any idea when the storm may hit?
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Haven't heard. It would be nice to know.
Anybody else heard anything?
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Haven't heard. It would be nice to know.
Anybody else heard anything?
Yes, notably quiet. Actually kind of nice for a change.
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Nice comment, Adam, but not much information...
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3ABN's attorney's have probably told Danny and his co-conspirators to keep their mouths shut.
After this is done, we probably won't hear much more from Danny or his people. Who would want to hire them in the SDA church when it is known that they tried to silence Tommy's victims?
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Now, Horsethief, you have said something right there! ITA!!!
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When this is all over and Molly Steenson sends out her resume to an SDA conference office. Or when Clement Murray applies for a pastoral position at a new church, or when John Lomacang decides it's a good time to transfer.
Will their potential new employers be unaware of why they no longer are at their former positions?
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Nice comment, Adam, but not much information...
I know, I know, but not much information is being released.
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I would think so. These people are not ordinary pastors, or whatever it is Molly is. People will know when they inquire why they are no longer at 3ABN. JL has been there a might long time. They don't seem to transfer in the normal time. We also tend to keep pastors longer here in California.
When this is all over and Molly Steenson sends out her resume to an SDA conference office. Or when Clement Murray applies for a pastoral position at a new church, or when John Lomacang decides it's a good time to transfer.
Will their potential new employers be unaware of why they no longer are at their former positions?
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What I mean, Di, as I probably should have indicated, will other conferences want these people working for them after it's known that they attempted to help cover up child molestation crimes?
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Is Molly SDA? I thought I had read somewhere that she is of another denomination (I cannot recall which).
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Is Molly SDA? I thought I had read somewhere that she is of another denomination (I cannot recall which).
You find the information on the 3ABN website that Molly and her husband were Pentecostal. Seems like her husband as a pastor there for about 20 years before they became SDA. It appears like Molly launched the doctrine that since Danny was given a vision from God that he would build a TV station that made him a prophet and therefore every word that proceeded from Danny's mouth was as if uttered by God himself. And therefore all should follow and obey his orders.
In the wake of this Danny would often refer to the time he received the vision. . .
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Was it actually said that Danny was a prophet?
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Well, now, horsethief, we do not have a good track record there. you know we have pastors serving who are womanizers, abusers, etc. It is might hard to fired from the SDA church.....I had said I wanted to work for the local conference, because it seemed like a recession proof job........LOL!!
What I mean, Di, as I probably should have indicated, will other conferences want these people working for them after it's known that they attempted to help cover up child molestation crimes?
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How will this affect the dismissed lawsuit against you and Joy that you are appealing, or is it were appealing?
We still have two appeals going. One is fully briefed and the other isn't briefed at all. The second appeal got hung up because Attorneys Greg Simpson and John Pucci refuse to return the sealed bank statements that Christine Parizo unlawfully took from the federal courthouse in Worcester, MA.
Pickle's accusations above are false and his and Joy's last arguments about the above issue were overruled yesterday in the District court. The following information and documents were provided on the other forum:
... It's about time, eh? ;) The lawsuit filed by 3ABN and DS against Robert Pickle and Gailon Joy in Massachusetts is finally over.
To clarify though, for those who may not understand. All is not over. Only the Massachusetts case is. There is still a related and ongoing appeal case which Pickle and Joy filed in the U.S. Court of Appeals, protesting against the dismissal of the lawsuit against them, and asking for the Appeal Court to overrule that decision. (Ummm... yeah, they want to continue being sued, as they don't have any grounds to take 3abn to court otherwise, and as they wish they could...)
Since it's been so long...
To review: 2 yrs ago (October of 2008) 3ABN ( having already received all the meaningful relief they thought could possibly be achieved when filing the lawsuit in April 2007 ) filed a motion for the dismissal of the Massachusetts District Court lawsuit against Robert Pickle and Gailon Joy for their slander/libel/defamation. 3ABN's motion for dismissal was granted based on their reasoning, despite the arguments against that raised by and filed by Pickle and Joy.
Quoting the Court docket:Case called, Counsel and dft's pro-se appear for status conference, Court hears arguments of counsel re: motion to dismiss, Court rules granting 120 Motion to Dismiss without prejudice; The Court orders dismissal with conditions stated on the record, Any renewed claims brought by plaintiff shall be brought in this division in the District of MA. as ordered on the record, Court orders all confidential documents returned, All subpoenas are ordered moot, Records in possession of Mag. Judge will be returned, Court orders any motion for costs to be filed by 11/21/08. Order of dismissal to issue
Quoting the Judge on record:
"THE COURT: All right. Here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to grant the motion. I'm going to dismiss it without
prejudice and with some conditions, which include the condition
that any claims brought by the plaintiffs, based on the same
facts and circumstances or -- or -- or nucleus of operative
events may only be brought in the Central Division of
Massachusetts, but let me be more formal about that.
The motion for voluntary dismissal is granted. I
order that this lawsuit be dismissed without prejudice. I make
no finding of any kind as to the merits or lack of merits of
any of the claims or factual defenses set forth in the
pleadings, and I'm dismissing the claim principally based on
the representation by the plaintiff that there is no longer any
purpose for the litigation, because plaintiffs do not believe
that they can accomplish -- or achieve any meaningful relief
based on the facts and circumstances as they now exist,
including, but not limited to, the bankruptcy of one of the
defendants.
I am imposing this dismissal with the condition that
any claim or claims brought by plaintiffs based on the same or
similar facts and circumstances may only be brought in the
Central Division of the District of Massachusetts, so that if
this lawsuit in some ways comes back to life, it will be in
front of me, and I'll have all the facts and circumstances at
my disposal at that point and can make such orders as I think
are just under the circumstances.
I will order that all materials produced in discovery
that were designated as confidential under the confidentiality
and protective order issued in this case on April 17th will be
returned, as set forth in that order.
Destruction of the documents will only be permitted if
consistent with the terms of the order; and similarly, any
photocopying or other copying of any such materials will only
be permitted if permitted under that order.
Any pending third-party subpoenas are deemed moot, and
the party will -- any party having issued such a third-party
subpoena will take reasonable steps to notify the recipient of
the subpoena that the lawsuit has been dismissed, and the
subpoenas are no longer in effect.
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The dismissal of the lawsuit was granted, "without prejudice" way back in November or 2008. --- pending the motion for costs which Pickle and joy filed and then filed again after that was denied. [all their motions, arguments, protests , and requests for reconsideration, asking for reimbursement and monies were denied]
Yet, Pickle and Joy belabored the point, and quibbled endlessly about the dismissal of the lawsuit, arguing anything and everything, till now when they are out of gas...
So that's what this latest decision means. It means that finally, at least in the district court, Pickle and Joy are done. There are no more pending issues and arguments left for that court to decide, and nothing further which can or should be filed there. Pickle and Joy are finally done wasting that court's and 3ABN's time and money(actually the Donor's donated funding) with their ad hominem attacks, and their frivolous, petty, unsupported and desperate, unrelated, irrelevant [without legal precedent or standing] arguments, and motions.
[Every one of which -without exception- they have been ruled against and lost during the past 2 years!]
Now they can file their appeal brief, and all can move on, and again I say, "IT"S ABOUT TIME".
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
CIVIL ACTION NO. 07-40098-RWZ
THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK, INC.,
an Illinois Non-Profit Corproation,
and DANNY LEE SHELTON, Individually
v.
GAILON ARTHUR JOY
and ROBERT PICKLE
[size=150]ORDER[/size]
October 19, 2010
ZOBEL, D.J.
This case began as a straight forward trademark infringement action with claims
for defamation and interference with business by a non-profit corporation, Three Angels
Broadcasting Network, Inc. (“Network”), and its founder and president Danny Lee
Shelton. The primary business of Network is to operate and manage a Christian
television and radio broadcast ministry. Although, according to the complaint, plaintiff
Shelton, is a member of the Seventh Day Adventist faith, Network is nondenominational
and is not affiliated with any specific church. Defendants, who are pro
se, are also members of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. This straight forward case
rapidly degenerated into a discovery morass accompanied by a series of ad hominem
attacks on plaintiff and his counsel and, eventually, on the district judge initially
assigned to this case.
One issue which has occupied considerable time of the court revolved around
defendants’ efforts to obtain, and keep, plaintiff Shelton’s personal financial records at
MidCountry Bank in Minnesota. Defendants sought these records with a subpoena
issued by the Federal District Court in Minnesota which ordered them to be sent under
seal to Magistrate Judge Hillman who, by reference from the District Judge, was
managing the discovery in the case. Plaintiffs moved for a confidentiality order which
was allowed. (Docket # 60.)
When, on October 23, 2008, plaintiffs moved to dismiss the case voluntarily,
they included a request that the MidCountry Bank records be returned to them. The
district judge, after a hearing on October 30, 2008, orally allowed the motion to dismiss
with conditions and ordered all confidential records to be returned to plaintiffs. A
written order was docketed on November 3, 2008. Defendants filed a notice of appeal
on November 13, 2008. Magistrate Judge Hillman returned the records to plaintiffs.
On December 9, 2009, more than a year after defendants’ notice of appeal from
the order of dismissal, defendants moved to designate as part of the record and
forward to the Court of Appeals the MidCountry Bank documents (Docket # 204). On
December 18, 2009, they moved for an order to plaintiffs to return them to this court
(Docket # 210). Magistrate Judge Hillman denied both motions on January 29, 2010,
and defendants filed objections to both rulings on February 3, 2010 (Docket # 229).
Because the case was pending in the Court of Appeals, this court failed to rule on the
objections.
Upon consideration of the parties’ briefs, the objections are overruled.
Magistrate Judge Hillman’s orders, while entered well after dismissal of the case, are
properly considered part of pretrial discovery and, as such, may be reconsidered by the
district judge only if clearly erroneous or contrary to law, 28 U.S.C. § 636 (b)(1)(A).
The magistrate judge committed no error. Contrary to defendants’ assertion, brevity,
even extreme brevity, does not mean, nor suggest impropriety on the part of the judge.
The fact that defendants paid for the copying of these records does not confer
ownership on them and until a ruling by the magistrate judge that defendants were
entitled to these documents, plaintiff Shelton’s right to this private information trumped
defendants’ right to see and distribute them.
Defendants’ objections to the Magistrate Judge orders (Docket # 229) are
overruled.
DATE October 19, 2010
/s/Rya W. Zobel
RYA W. ZOBEL
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
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Oh, Pat Williams comes out of the hiding! :hot: ??? That was posted here why?
Pat thought you wasn't going to post here anymore? Oh, yeah, that's right, Cindy says the same thing....then you end up making yourselves into liars....be gone foul spirit..
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How will this affect the dismissed lawsuit against you and Joy that you are appealing, or is it were appealing?
---> Pacer Court Docket:
236 Filed & Entered: 02/26/2010
Terminated: 05/10/2010
Motion for Leave to File
Docket Text: MOTION for Leave to File under Seal Exhibits A & B for Doc. #234 by Gailon Arthur Joy, Robert Pickle.(Pickle, Robert)
245 Filed & Entered: 04/01/2010
Terminated: 05/10/2010
Motion for Leave to File
Docket Text: MOTION for Leave to File Two Supplemental Exhibits: (a) Warrants for the Arrest of Tommy Shelton, and (b) Press Release Issued by Fairfax County Police Department by Gailon Arthur Joy, Robert Pickle. (Attachments: # (1) Exhibit H, # (2) Exhibit I)(Pickle, Robert)
Filed & Entered: 05/10/2010
Order on Motion for Leave to File
Docket Text: Judge Rya W. Zobel: ENDORSED ORDER entered denying [236] Motion for Leave to File Document ; denying [245] Motion for Leave to File Document, these documents are irrelevant to the issues on appeal
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Does anyone recall this:
Pat Williams-
on: August 09, 2010, 11:24:43 PM
Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that'swhy I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....
What happen Pat, cough cough *Cindy* cough cough, have trouble telling the truth?
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How will this affect the dismissed lawsuit against you and Joy that you are appealing, or is it were appealing?
We still have two appeals going. One is fully briefed and the other isn't briefed at all. The second appeal got hung up because Attorneys Greg Simpson and John Pucci refuse to return the sealed bank statements that Christine Parizo unlawfully took from the federal courthouse in Worcester, MA.
Pickle's accusations above are false and his and Joy's last arguments about the above issue were overruled yesterday in the District court. The following information and documents were provided on the other forum:
Pat, you are either ignorant of the facts or a bald faced liar. One statement is 100% accurate.
- There are two appeals going.
- One is fully briefed and the other isn't briefed at all.
- Judge Saylor ordered that the MidCountry Bank records be returned to the party that produced them, which was MidCountry Bank.
- The MidCountry records have never been returned to MidCountry.
- Christine Parizo therefore unlawfully took the MidCountry records from the courthouse, since they were supposed to be returned to MidCountry.
- The lower court is without authority to eliminate material from the record during an appeal.
- Pucci and Simpson refuse to return them.
- The new order from the lower court did not alter Judge Saylor's original order.
The new judge is legally prohibited from altering Judge Saylor's original order because she lacks jurisdiction to do that since the case is under appeal.