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[Snoopy]

Yes - it did get really quiet...  Where did everybody go?

Since news of the Remnant disclosures...all is REALLY silent...


ssshhh....

[Fran]

I believe as things get closer to a court date, it will get quieter.  The information received by Bob & Gailon are sensitive to the case/trial.  However, we will hear it after that.  It will be a very sad day.

The information defined to date is plenty for me.  It is hard for me to realize what 3ABN did with eBay.  It was just way too easy to pass up.

I am glad that Linda is getting exonerated from those false accusations.  How can what was taken from her be given back?  It can't!  Once one's character has been stripped it cannot be rebuilt without much work and Faith in God.

All of us have been falsely accused at one time or another.  It is devastating, but we can move, change jobs, or ignore the false accuser.  Linda was destroyed by false accusations given to the world, and has not been given a chance to thrive and survive on her own.  The False accusers remain after several years!  They refuse to allow her to continue in her ministry!  Why do they continue after all these years?  Danny needed to get rid of his competition.

Long ago I learned that you cannot build yourself up by destroying others.  We must allow each of us to be successful.   There is room for all to succeed.  There is no need to destroy anyone.  That is a sin.

[daylily]

Mr Joy,
What did you mean that Mr Fjarli lost the gift of speech?

daylily

[Bob Pickle]

Mr. Fjarli had a stroke, I'm told, that took away his ability to speak.

[Johann]

He needs our prayers!

[daylily]

Oh my! Thanks for that info, Bob. I'm sorry to hear that.

[Wendall]

Who would have thought that the scenarios being played out would be so much in the public eye. Can you say embarrassment for Adventists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the future of our church in the world's eyes will take a major hit when a trial ocurrs. We as Adventists will become front page news.

[irspro]

Who would have thought that the scenarios being played out would be so much in the public eye. Can you say embarrassment for Adventists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the future of our church in the world's eyes will take a major hit when a trial occurs. We as Adventists will become front page news.

Wow, I am disturbed that any sane SDA could think that the foundation of our church is so shaky that an independent or semi-private ministry feebly attempting to leach on organization for credibility and financial support could cause a "hit!" 

Can you name one independent\private blood-sucking ministry that does not have the bottom-line intention of splintering organization in some fashion no matter how well-intentioned ab initio?  Don't advance the feeble argument that organization will not save you!  Decency and order in organization will go much further than disorder statistically more apt to arise in independence which can be fatal!

[bonnie]

Who would have thought that the scenarios being played out would be so much in the public eye. Can you say embarrassment for Adventists. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the future of our church in the world's eyes will take a major hit when a trial ocurrs. We as Adventists will become front page news.

Both want this in the public eye. I don't think adventists get embrarrassed,they win with God was so good and we prevailed satan and all those doing the devils work? Or satan was hard at work to undermine God's work. We just have to keep on??? Something good can come from this.
It may be in the news for a day or two and then poof,gone and NEXT.

[princessdi]

Erra..yeah...ok...Bonnie.  God asked Christians to spread the godpel to all the world....you must have a little credibility for them to listen in the first place.  Some of this in on us.  Being known for religious elitism not being the least of our problems.........   

Anyway, I don't really believe we have that much to lose in the first place....we are already in the "cult" section of many bookstores, can't get shake David Koresh and other offshoots, etc.  Lyning to folk about who we are when conducting Rev. Sems, maybe just a lie of ommission there........We needed some serious public relations long before Danny and his sad story.

[bonnie]

Erra..yeah...ok...Bonnie.  God asked Christians to spread the Gospel to all the world....you must have a little credibility for them to listen in the first place.  Some of this in on us.  Being known for religious elitism not being the least of our problems.........   

I have heard others say that,but I have not found that in my little church. But then I have attended the same church since I was three. It has had it's ups and downs but I have never seen them hide who they were for a Rev seminars.
I had a brief stint going to another church because of our sons and did see varying problems,but not anyone trying to hide who we were for any type of meetings. In fact they were/are very active in the community.

Anyway, I don't really believe we have that much to lose in the first place....we are already in the "cult" section of many bookstores, can't get shake David Koresh and other offshoots, etc.  Lining to folk about who we are when conducting Rev. Sems, maybe just a lie of omission there........We needed some serious public relations long before Danny and his sad story.[/color]

We have to much public relations and not enough personal and honest. Public relations is the tool we use after the fact to smooth the troubled waters.

For me we have much to lose because of the dishonest public relations group.
Whether there is much media attention focused on a trial because of the lawsuit remains to be seen. No one will lose in this and that is what we have to lose. The winner will have won because they were God's chosen,the loser will win because of righteous martyrdom.
The ones that will lose are the ones of both sides that were/are decent sincere people that had some strong concerns pro or con.  They are going to be the causalities in this.

When the dust settles Bob and Gailon will go their merry way and DS and 3ABN will go theirs as will LS. What will be left is alot of animosity and bad feelings.
I am of the firm opinion that the four main players deserve one another.

[Bob Pickle]

And I wish you would quit your griping. You make general statements that you can't back up, but that tend to make people think negatively about this one or that one.

Now how would you feel if someone had come along when your son was going through his situation and repeatedly said, over and over again, that your son and that so-called pastor deserve each other?

I think I know how you would have felt, and I think I know how you would have used your tongue or pen or keyboard to chop them up into little bits for saying something so unkind and stupid.

[bonnie]

And I wish you would quit your griping. You make general statements that you can't back up, but that tend to make people think negatively about this one or that one.

Please be precise Bob, what general statement are you referring to. What statement can't I back up. Would you have this concern if I had included only DS in any negative statement?? I think not.

Now how would you feel if someone had come along when your son was going through his situation and repeatedly said, over and over again, that your son and that so-called pastor deserve each other?

 I know this was not meant to be funny but it almost is. Had that been the worst that was said we would have been very pleased.

I think I know how you would have felt, and I think I know how you would have used your tongue or pen or keyboard to chop them up into little bits for saying something so unkind and stupid.

Have you ever read any of Gailon's posts or taken a close look at your own?

The difference between my sons situation and what is going on here and elsewhere is that the guilt was absolutely irrefutable. Admitted to by the guilty parties. From the courthouse steps the attorney's for the MN conference said
It is their time to be in love. Even with an admission of guilt and knowledge of this man's behaviour for thirty years as pastor ,never an apology or attempt to help in the mess they created to begin with my keeping this man as pastor. But we had the PR. Lot's of it.
What is there besides what was said to PrincessDi that you disagree with. It was not general. When this finally gets settled there will not be a clear winner in this. Neither side, even if  guilt is proved beyond a doubt,will publically acknowledge,apologize and ask those they have hurt for forgivness. Just not going to happen. DS and 3ABN will still be functioning minus a great deal of money, and you will still be Bob doing what Bob does best.

As for the PR Princess Di thought we needed more of, we have plenty,but never totally honest. I have little to no respect for that position. I trust my used car salesman far more.

Is there something else that you felt was unclear

[bonnie]

ADMIN HAT ON

Bonnie, I am not sure what exactly your problem is, but might I suggest you go back to the post you are trying to quote here and note that it was edited by Daryl Fawcett.  So, I cannot imagine what your objective is to re-post content here that has already been edited out, but I think you need to watch yourself.

Additionally, might I remind you that if you have issues with administrative actions here you need to take them up PRIVATELY with the adminstrative staff.

ADMIN HAT OFF




If you have a problem and feel it unkind to say such a thing,tell me how you felt when this was posted

Post edited to remove inappropriate content

I think it makes a mockery out of "respectful discussion" and it may qualify as unkind and stupid,but I did not see you
weighing in with your concerns.

Do you believe the above was abiding by the stated expectations for the forum.
It is quite clear.....3ABN
For respectfully discussing any issues and concerns pertaining to 3ABN Where were your concerns when this was posted along with many similar in contempt and disrespect.??

edited to add last paragraph

[bonnie]

I have no clue what you are talking about. I did not realize daryl had edited a post.
As for the adminstration or their actions I don't think that is what I said.
I asked Bob some questions that apparently was wrong to ask of him