Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on July 26, 2010, 04:13:46 PM
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... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on. etc etc etc... but Adam also claims he has not talked to your mother, nor ever met Brad, so his source is YOU
That is all 100% false.
So, are you trying to say that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny did not try to convince Alex to drop charges? On what basis are you making this false claim?
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... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on. etc etc etc...
That is all 100% false.
So, are you trying to say that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny did not try to convince Alex to drop charges? On what basis are you making this false claim?
I don't know who all may or may not have talked to Alex. I do know what Pickle is bringing up now is not witness tampering... My clam was based on Pickle's ignorance and incessant need to condemn and vilify such as in his and Joy's previous posts here trying to imply witness tampering was going on.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t004.htm
TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS
Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 1512, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to use intimidation or physical force to threaten another person with intent to influence the testimony of a witness in any Court proceeding.
A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt: First: That the witness was scheduled to be a witness in court; Second: That the person used intimidation/physical force against such witness; and Third: That the person did so knowingly and willfully with the intent to influence the testimony of the witness.
To act with intent to "influence" the testimony of a witness means to act for the purpose of getting the witness to change or color or shade his or her testimony in some way; but it is not necessary to prove that the witness' testimony was, in fact, changed in any way.
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... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on. etc etc etc...
That is all 100% false.
So, are you trying to say that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny did not try to convince Alex to drop charges? On what basis are you making this false claim?
I don't know who all may or may not have talked to Alex. I do know what Pickle is bringing up now is not witness tampering... My clam was based on Pickle's ignorance and incessant need to condemn and vilify such as in his and Joy's previous posts here trying to imply witness tampering was going on.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t004.htm
TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS
Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 1512, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to use intimidation or physical force to threaten another person with intent to influence the testimony of a witness in any Court proceeding.
A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt: First: That the witness was scheduled to be a witness in court; Second: That the person used intimidation/physical force against such witness; and Third: That the person did so knowingly and willfully with the intent to influence the testimony of the witness.
To act with intent to "influence" the testimony of a witness means to act for the purpose of getting the witness to change or color or shade his or her testimony in some way; but it is not necessary to prove that the witness' testimony was, in fact, changed in any way.
I can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented. The most appaling of these was a call made to Alex's church........The fool even left a voice message....
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... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on. etc etc etc...
That is all 100% false.
So, are you trying to say that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny did not try to convince Alex to drop charges? On what basis are you making this false claim?
I don't know who all may or may not have talked to Alex. I do know what Pickle is bringing up now is not witness tampering... My clam was based on Pickle's ignorance and incessant need to condemn and vilify such as in his and Joy's previous posts here trying to imply witness tampering was going on.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t004.htm
TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS
Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 1512, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to use intimidation or physical force to threaten another person with intent to influence the testimony of a witness in any Court proceeding.
A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt: First: That the witness was scheduled to be a witness in court; Second: That the person used intimidation/physical force against such witness; and Third: That the person did so knowingly and willfully with the intent to influence the testimony of the witness.
To act with intent to "influence" the testimony of a witness means to act for the purpose of getting the witness to change or color or shade his or her testimony in some way; but it is not necessary to prove that the witness' testimony was, in fact, changed in any way.
I can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented. The most appaling of these was a call made to Alex's church........The fool even left a voice message....
When you make claims like that, it causes questions, was the call anonymous, did the caller identify him or her self? Did they make a threat? Did they try and influence Alex's testimony? Why are you bringing it up? and why is it relevant in a discussion about witness tampering?
I hope we can all understand that it is not against the law to contact or talk to Alex. It isn't even against the law to ask him to not pursue the case, if that occurred.
What is illegal is to intimidate or use physical force against Alex. Prosecutors, and Courts take witness tampering very seriously, but despite saying all is documented, Adam. There are no witness tampering charges filed related to this case. That allegation only exists in this forum.
Accusing people of crimes is defamation per se. It is character assasination (murder) Sadly Pickle and Joy continue to specialize in that, and as usual the evidence doesn't support their claims.
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I don't know who all may or may not have talked to Alex. I do know what Pickle is bringing up now is not witness tampering...
Hmmm...looks like "Pat" really DOESN'T have a problem with hearsay after all.
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No the call was far from anonymous, and yes they did identify themself. I probably shouldn't discuss anymore than that.
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There are no witness tampering charges filed related to this case. That allegation only exists in this forum.
The same thing was said about the Tommy Shelton allegations, and look where we are now.
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No the call was far from anonymous, and yes they did identify themself. I probably shouldn't discuss anymore than that.
You're right. "Pat" is phishing, and not doing a very good job of hiding it.
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I do know what Pickle is bringing up now is not witness tampering...
Please be specific. In what way were the attempted or actual contacts not attempted witness tampering? please describe in detail how nothing said can possibly be construed to be intimidation.
Otherwise, retract your statement and admit that you either were wrong, or that you don't know for sure.
Besides, how do you know for sure that the only thing that can be called witness tampering is that which is a violation of the law? "I'll give you a cake if you don't testify" should be called witness tampering, but it isn't intimidation or physical force.
But you need to read the entire statute: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1512.html (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1512.html). Once you've read it, outline for us how nothing that was said could possibly be construed as a violation of any of the statute's prohibitions.
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Folks, Robert Pickle needs to first attempt to prove his own ugly accusations of witness tampering crimes against others are true before he asks me to prove him wrong.
(IOW, Please do not be offended as I turn around and walk away, Pickle.)
I do know what Pickle is bringing up now is not witness tampering...
Please be specific. In what way were the attempted or actual contacts not attempted witness tampering? please describe in detail how nothing said can possibly be construed to be intimidation.
Otherwise, retract your statement and admit that you either were wrong, or that you don't know for sure.
Besides, how do you know for sure that the only thing that can be called witness tampering is that which is a violation of the law? "I'll give you a cake if you don't testify" should be called witness tampering, but it isn't intimidation or physical force.
But you need to read the entire statute: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1512.html (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1512.html). Once you've read it, outline for us how nothing that was said could possibly be construed as a violation of any of the statute's prohibitions.
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Folks, Robert Pickle needs to first attempt to prove his own ugly accusations of witness tampering crimes against others are true before he asks me to prove him wrong.
(IOW, Please do not be offended as I turn around and walk away, Pickle.)
That's what cowards usually do when they are confronted. They tuck tail and run.
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Folks, Robert Pickle needs to first attempt to prove his own ugly accusations of witness tampering crimes against others are true before he asks me to prove him wrong.
I started this thread to give you an opportunity to prove that "Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny did not try to convince Alex to drop charges":
... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on. etc etc etc... but Adam also claims he has not talked to your mother, nor ever met Brad, so his source is YOU
That is all 100% false.
So, are you trying to say that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny did not try to convince Alex to drop charges? On what basis are you making this false claim?
Apparently you've found yourself backed into a corner, and rather than admit that you can't prove that it is 100% false, you want me to prove the contrary. But that's another topic for another time.
So let it be crystal clear that you were wrong when you emphatically indicated that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny never attempted to convince Alex to drop charges.
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So let it be crystal clear that you were wrong when you emphatically indicated that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny never attempted to convince Alex to drop charges.
Yes, let it be crystal clear. You are bearing false witness here as I emphatically indicated no such thing.
What I emphatically declared was this.
... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on....
That is all 100% false.
And I will emphatically declare it again:
... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on...
That is all 100% false.
My clam was based on Pickle's ignorance and incessant need to condemn and vilify such as in his and Joy's previous posts here trying to imply witness tampering was going on.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t004.htm
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TAMPERING WITH A WITNESS
Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 1512, makes it a Federal crime or offense for anyone to use intimidation or physical force to threaten another person with intent to influence the testimony of a witness in any Court proceeding.
A person can be found guilty of that offense only if all of the following facts are proved beyond a reasonable doubt: First: That the witness was scheduled to be a witness in court; Second: That the person used intimidation/physical force against such witness; and Third: That the person did so knowingly and willfully with the intent to influence the testimony of the witness.
To act with intent to "influence" the testimony of a witness means to act for the purpose of getting the witness to change or color or shade his or her testimony in some way; but it is not necessary to prove that the witness' testimony was, in fact, changed in any way.
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I don't know that simply asking a person to drop charges or not testify would qualify as tampering. However if that person were threatened directly, or indirectly, with a smear campaign, or other forms of punishment, should they proceed, would that qualify? How about if the person(s) who approached or confronted with requests or demands were turned down and followed up by systematically contacting the friends, family, colleagues, church, employer, potential employer(s), etc, with allegations, facts, rumors, or implications meant to harm or destroy that person's relationships, employment, and standing in the community? Would that be considered tampering, or some other actionable offense?
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So let it be crystal clear that you were wrong when you emphatically indicated that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny never attempted to convince Alex to drop charges.
Yes, let it be crystal clear. You are bearing false witness here as I emphatically indicated no such thing.
What I emphatically declared was this.
... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on....
That is all 100% false.
And I will emphatically declare it again:
... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on...
That is all 100% false.
I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.
When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.
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From what has been related here by Adam, all has been documented. Alex has a very good Lawyer retained, and the Prosecutor is working on his case. I think they are far more informed than Pickle, and far more and qualified than Robert Pickle to determine what qualifies as witness tampering. I am sure they can be trusted to know what is going on and to do their jobs properly and don't need Pickle's assistance in accusing someone of a crime if that is warranted.
I don't know that simply asking a person to drop charges or not testify would qualify as tampering. However if that person were threatened directly, or indirectly, with a smear campaign, or other forms of punishment, should they proceed, would that qualify? How about if the person(s) who approached or confronted with requests or demands were turned down and followed up by systematically contacting the friends, family, colleagues, church, employer, potential employer(s), etc, with allegations, facts, rumors, or implications meant to harm or destroy that person's relationships, employment, and standing in the community? Would that be considered tampering, or some other actionable offense?
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Yes, as you say, Alex has a good lawyer. I am sure the attorney will explore all avenues of potentially actionable items when considering possible civil actions. And yes, I am sure he is far more qualified than Mr. Pickle, you, or me in determining who he will go after for what.
From what has been related here by Adam, all has been documented. Alex has a very good Lawyer retained, and the Prosecutor is working on his case. I think they are far more informed than Pickle, and far more and qualified than Robert Pickle to determine what qualifies as witness tampering. I am sure they can be trusted to know what is going on and to do their jobs properly and don't need Pickle's assistance in accusing someone of a crime if that is warranted.
I don't know that simply asking a person to drop charges or not testify would qualify as tampering. However if that person were threatened directly, or indirectly, with a smear campaign, or other forms of punishment, should they proceed, would that qualify? How about if the person(s) who approached or confronted with requests or demands were turned down and followed up by systematically contacting the friends, family, colleagues, church, employer, potential employer(s), etc, with allegations, facts, rumors, or implications meant to harm or destroy that person's relationships, employment, and standing in the community? Would that be considered tampering, or some other actionable offense?
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So, Pat Williams, you have decided not to stand by your statement that it is 100% false that there has been witness tampering going on, and you're willing to let the prosecutor and Alex's lawyer determine that rather than yourself?
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There has been NO attempted Witness Tampering
Post by Pat Williams » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:53 am UTC
Robert Jude Pickle posted the following on Adventtalk.
Re: Attempted Witness Tampering, Reply #17 on: July 27, 2010, 12:46:42 PM
So, Pat Williams, you have decided not to stand by your statement that it is 100% false that there has been witness tampering going on, and you're willing to let the prosecutor and Alex's lawyer determine that rather than yourself?
As always, he takes things said and twists them and then repeats things with his spin attached. I don't know why he arrogantly insists that people have to bow to his convoluted reasoning and illogical and unsupported arguments, and accusations, but I would like to clarify this for the record. YES, I do stand by my statement that it is 100% false that there has been witness tampering going on Because that is true, and I don't need anybody to determine what I know, or anybody's permission to defend what I know. It is not a crime against, God, man, or country to defend anyone or anything.
It can be a crime to accuse another, according to God, man, and our country. In regards to his defamation per se against others that there has been witness tampering, may be witness tampering, or that there was attempted witness tampering, or any other way he may express his false accusations -- which amount to accusing others of crimes, and even attempting to convict them and pronounce them guilty... I also stand by this statement which is what he is replying to:
From what has been related here by Adam[Alex's room mate], all has been documented. Alex [one of the two accusing TS in the current case] has a very good Lawyer retained, and the Prosecutor is working on his case. I think they are far more informed than Pickle, and far more and qualified than Robert Pickle to determine what qualifies as witness tampering. I am sure they can be trusted to know what is going on and to do their jobs properly and don't need Pickle's assistance in accusing someone of a crime if that is warranted.
More details in the next post.
Late edit- to reflect quoted post again, as my first edit, got reversed here somehow?
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Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
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Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
They sure did.
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Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
They sure did.
"Ugly" is a Southern Illinois term? I wasn't aware of that.
I didn't realize I used the word so often, so out of curiosity I did a search of my own posts here, and found that indeed I have used that word a lot. I have used it in 6 different posts here on the following dates and times. It would appear that I drew your notice here because I did so twice this month...
January 28, 2009, 08:22:07 AM
August 21, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
December 10, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
June 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
July 09, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
July 26, 2010, 05:13:46 PM
Would both of you do me a favor, and mark Tommy and Carol off your list of possible identities? I am neither of them, and doubt either of them would ever come here as it is all so ugly. (:o I said it again! I will have to work on that.)
Shabbat Shalom to both of you.
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Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
They sure did.
"Ugly" is a Southern Illinois term? I wasn't aware of that.
I didn't realize I used the word so often, so out of curiosity I did a search of my own posts here, and found that indeed I have used that word a lot. I have used it in 6 different posts here on the following dates and times. It would appear that I drew your notice here because I did so twice this month...
January 28, 2009, 08:22:07 AM
August 21, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
December 10, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
June 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
July 09, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
July 26, 2010, 05:13:46 PM
Would both of you do me a favor, and mark Tommy and Carol off your list of possible identities? I am neither of them, and doubt either of them would ever come here as it is all so ugly. (:o I said it again! I will have to work on that.)
Shabbat Shalom to both of you.
I have been told that Gerri Lynn and Valerie Shelton use that alot too. HMM Maybe Sam isn't Brad, but you are?
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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That shows some character. Give someone else's names to blame. Or are they it?
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
They sure did.
"Ugly" is a Southern Illinois term? I wasn't aware of that.
I didn't realize I used the word so often, so out of curiosity I did a search of my own posts here, and found that indeed I have used that word a lot. I have used it in 6 different posts here on the following dates and times. It would appear that I drew your notice here because I did so twice this month...
January 28, 2009, 08:22:07 AM
August 21, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
December 10, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
June 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
July 09, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
July 26, 2010, 05:13:46 PM
Would both of you do me a favor, and mark Tommy and Carol off your list of possible identities? I am neither of them, and doubt either of them would ever come here as it is all so ugly. (:o I said it again! I will have to work on that.)
Shabbat Shalom to both of you.
I have been told that Gerri Lynn and Valerie Shelton use that alot too. HMM Maybe Sam isn't Brad, but you are?
This is stupid. Many people use the word ugly alot, it is a common English adjective. Google results: About 80,400,000 results (0.17 seconds)
As far as I know Brad doesn't post here and never has. Brad doesn't believe Alex, but he is his brother and Alex knows him and should know better than that. Now stop phishing as I am not going to answer any more of your questions, nor posts in regards to identities of posters.
In my opinion, which I am entitled to, you are not helping Alex at all with your posts here, especially when you keep lying, such as when you said in support of Bob Pickle's accusations of witness tampering:
"I can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented."
That was a bold faced lie.
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false. Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him. That is what I was referring to when I said to Bob Pickle " More details in the next post." *********************
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Lol... IF that were true? Of course it is true, don't believe it ask your buddy, Brad.
Can't wait for you to address them, Pat. It can be proven it isn't a lie. However, it won't be proven here. As you said the attorneys will figure out what to do.....So please by all means proceed.
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That shows some character. Give someone else's names to blame. Or are they it?
Its one of their sick little mind games to try to get Alex to believe that his family is against him. Those of us in the know have exposed this to him, and it isn't working. BTW, I have little doubt that Brad is being treated the same way.
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So "Pat",
Just because you insinuate you were named that, does not mean we believe you. You seem to think you are pretty smart, but guess what we are NOT falling for it! :ROFL: Especially since you did not show your "name" on here from July 13 until the July 19. That is the same week that TS was in the hospital. :oops:
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Your Right WFJ. The thing is "Pat Williams" is one of the biggest liars on AT. However, he is out to prove other's to be one. I think it's hilarious. The holier than thou act is really getting old.
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Its one of their sick little mind games to try to get Alex to believe that his family is against him. Those of us in the know have exposed this to him, and it isn't working. BTW, I have little doubt that Brad is being treated the same way.
It just proves that Brad's nose is where the money grows and does not realize his brother was first in priority before his next chosen mistakes in life.
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:oops:
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Shabbat Shalom: Do we have a Hebrew scholar here? Perhaps only his barber (her hair dresser) knows.
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
They sure did.
"Ugly" is a Southern Illinois term? I wasn't aware of that.
I didn't realize I used the word so often, so out of curiosity I did a search of my own posts here, and found that indeed I have used that word a lot. I have used it in 6 different posts here on the following dates and times. It would appear that I drew your notice here because I did so twice this month...
January 28, 2009, 08:22:07 AM
August 21, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
December 10, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
June 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
July 09, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
July 26, 2010, 05:13:46 PM
Would both of you do me a favor, and mark Tommy and Carol off your list of possible identities? I am neither of them, and doubt either of them would ever come here as it is all so ugly. (:o I said it again! I will have to work on that.)
Shabbat Shalom to both of you.
I have been told that Gerri Lynn and Valerie Shelton use that alot too. HMM Maybe Sam isn't Brad, but you are?
This is stupid. Many people use the word ugly alot, it is a common English adjective. Google results: About 80,400,000 results (0.17 seconds)
As far as I know Brad doesn't post here and never has. Brad doesn't believe Alex, but he is his brother and Alex knows him and should know better than that. Now stop phishing as I am not going to answer any more of your questions, nor posts in regards to identities of posters.
In my opinion, which I am entitled to, you are not helping Alex at all with your posts here, especially when you keep lying, such as when you said in support of Bob Pickle's accusations of witness tampering:
"I can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented."
That was a bold faced lie.
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false. Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him. That is what I was referring to when I said to Bob Pickle " More details in the next post." *********************
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Pat- You said the following earlier today:
Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling,
He I believe you are reffering to me. Prove that I have said or posted that.
Second. You can post as you wish, but I will not be caught up in games with you. I have proof of everyone who has or has attempted to contact me. That is the bottom line. The proof has been given to the proper people and I am sorry but you are not one of them. I believe this is an attempt to get information and I am making it clear right now. That isn't going to happen.
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Interesting...
Not saying that you are doing this, but it is an old familiar pattern to attempt creating doubts and schisms between a persona non grata and their family and friends.
BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
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I have been told that Gerri Lynn and Valerie Shelton use that alot too. HMM Maybe Sam isn't Brad, but you are [Pat]?
This is stupid. Many people use the word ugly alot, it is a common English adjective. Google results: About 80,400,000 results (0.17 seconds)
As far as I[Pat] know Brad doesn't post here and never has. Brad doesn't believe Alex, but he is his brother and Alex knows him and should know better than that. Now stop phishing as I [Pat] am not going to answer any more of your [Adam, Waiting for Justice, Duane Clem, Tinka etc] questions, nor posts in regards to identities of posters.
In my opinion, which I [Pat] am entitled to, you [Adam] are not helping Alex at all with your posts here, especially when you [Adam] keep lying, such as when you [Adam] said in support of Bob Pickle's accusations of witness tampering:
"I [Adam] can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented."
That was a bold faced lie.
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I [Pat] know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false. Two of the other people he [Bob Pickle]is accusing and libeling, who you [Adam] are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him. That is what I [Pat}was referring to when I [Pat] said to Bob Pickle " More details in the next post." *********************
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Pat- You said the following earlier today:
Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling,
He I believe you are reffering to me.
No, actually I was referring to Bob Pickle. I have added names to the quote above to make it clearer who I was talking about.
Also, to be clear I was not trying to get any information from you. If, in the future, I do wish to know something, I will just ask you, and you can answer or not as you choose at that time. That's the way I roll. ;)
Have a good day.
Prove that I have said or posted that.
Second. You can post as you wish, but I will not be caught up in games with you. I have proof of everyone who has or has attempted to contact me. That is the bottom line. The proof has been given to the proper people and I am sorry but you are not one of them. I believe this is an attempt to get information and I am making it clear right now. That isn't going to happen.
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I have been told that Gerri Lynn and Valerie Shelton use that alot too. HMM Maybe Sam isn't Brad, but you are [Pat]?
This is stupid. Many people use the word ugly alot, it is a common English adjective. Google results: About 80,400,000 results (0.17 seconds)
As far as I[Pat] know Brad doesn't post here and never has. Brad doesn't believe Alex, but he is his brother and Alex knows him and should know better than that. Now stop phishing as I [Pat] am not going to answer any more of your [Adam, Waiting for Justice, Duane Clem, Tinka etc] questions, nor posts in regards to identities of posters.
In my opinion, which I [Pat] am entitled to, you [Adam] are not helping Alex at all with your posts here, especially when you [Adam] keep lying, such as when you [Adam] said in support of Bob Pickle's accusations of witness tampering:
"I [Adam] can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented."
That was a bold faced lie.
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I [Pat] know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false. Two of the other people he [Bob Pickle]is accusing and libeling, who you [Adam] are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him. That is what I [Pat}was referring to when I [Pat] said to Bob Pickle " More details in the next post." *********************
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Pat- You said the following earlier today:
Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling,
He I believe you are reffering to me.
No, actually I was referring to Bob Pickle. I have added names to the quote above to make it clearer who I was talking about.
Also, to be clear I was not trying to get any information from you. If, in the future, I do wish to know something, I will just ask you, and you can answer or not as you choose at that time. That's the way I roll. ;)
Have a good day.
Prove that I have said or posted that.
Second. You can post as you wish, but I will not be caught up in games with you. I have proof of everyone who has or has attempted to contact me. That is the bottom line. The proof has been given to the proper people and I am sorry but you are not one of them. I believe this is an attempt to get information and I am making it clear right now. That isn't going to happen.
Thank you for clarifying. You are welcome to ask me what you wish and I will try to answer. Some things I will not be able to answer. Just as the other day when I told you I could not respond to the allegations that were posted.
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Also, to be clear I was not trying to get any information from you. If, in the future, I do wish to know something, I will just ask you, and you can answer or not as you choose at that time. That's the way I roll. ;)
Have a good day.
With all your rolling around, it has completely left you with no reasoning of your character flaws. The above Black quote shows that you are overbearing, overpowering, demanding wishes and just who do you think you are or what importance are you that anyone has to answer your demand on your timing. You definitely have the same traits and a chip off the ole block. This is no doubt the traits that have run 3abn. Something gives you your huge ego, defineable, character traits that cloud and follow the "Shelton" perverse family. You know how Blessed LS was to be out of that "rolling in mire" clan! You hit the nail right on the head, that you all can't stand on your own two feet as individuals for right or wrong as you are led and your mouth lets everyone know it. Try standing up and get out of "rolling in the mire" " till you roll off a cliff like the pigs did. Your obnoxious "roll" is bragging out big time of your inability of reasoning abilities. Like your "good day" cliche, it is sarcastic and juvenile and so are you.
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alex, It's best you don't answer to any of their posts. It could be a fatal mistake. Have you noticed the more you post the more they come back with.
It's your business to do what you want but their tactics are obvious.
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There has been NO attempted Witness Tampering
Post by Pat Williams » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:53 am UTC
You would be hard pressed to prove that, and you have refused to try, from what I recall.
Brad doesn't believe Alex, ....
How do you know that Brad doesn't believe Alex? How do you know? Even if he were to say that he doesn't believe Alex, how do you know that he doesn't?
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false.
Which conversation are you referring to? Are you privy to a recording of it? If not, how can you say that you know?
Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him.
Which two people are you talking about? How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex?
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There has been NO attempted Witness Tampering
Post by Pat Williams » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:53 am UTC
You would be hard pressed to prove that, and you have refused to try, from what I recall.
I am back from my hiatus/mandatory vacation here, and am admittedly attempting to play catch up, but this is a strange accusation to me. If you are accusing people of witness tampering, Mr Pickle, then the burden of proof is on you. I can not see where you have given any evidence or support for your accusations here, but I do see where you refused to give that:
I started this thread to give you an opportunity to prove that "Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny did not try to convince Alex to drop charges":
... It is being claimed there is witness tampering going on. etc etc etc...
So, are you trying to say that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny did not try to convince Alex to drop charges? On what basis are you making this false claim? Apparently you've found yourself backed into a corner, and rather than admit that you can't prove that it is 100% false, you want me to prove the contrary. But that's another topic for another time.
Brad doesn't believe Alex, ....
How do you know that Brad doesn't believe Alex? How do you know? Even if he were to say that he doesn't believe Alex, how do you know that he doesn't?
How do I know? Brad is known to those "who know him" by his character and his actions and words as a good man, and despite Adam's accusations and the posts here, he isn't known as a liar by any who know him. But because of all that, he was asked about the posts here and his answer was quoted:
and I quote again:
“I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT BELIEVE ALEX’s STATEMENT”
Also stated,
"Alex is lying again, I have never talked with any lawyer nor had anything documented from my conversation with Alex"
There is no reason not to accept his testimony, and none has been offered as evidence by you, or by any other accuser here...
But even if he hadn't answered the questions caused by Alex's friend, Adam's attacks of him, and your own here on this forum?? The fact that Alex questioned and implied then outright posted here, that he thought Sam was Brad, and the fact that his friend Adam (who is in his confidence), came on here and asked Pat: " If Sam isn't Brad, are you?" should cause any rational logical person to understand that they both understand that Brad doesn't believe Alex, otherwise they would have no reason to falsely surmise that Sam, and or Pat ( who don't believe Alex) are Brad, or even imply or ask that Those who comprehend that can see that this is just a facetious argument being made by you to discredit and undermine those you are attacking.
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false.
Which conversation are you referring to? Are you privy to a recording of it? If not, how can you say that you know?
A recording? Well that would be illegal and inadmissible now wouldn't it, Mr Pickle? (How many times have you came on here claiming that, or jumped up in court claiming that in regards to Linda Shelton's conversations with Dr Arild Abrahamsson? )A better question would be since you are claiming witness tampering has been going on, and you, Joy, and Alex' "friend, Adam brought it all up here to begin with... "Are you privy to a recording of any conversation? If not, how can you say, or post as if you know?"
But no, I am not privy to any recorded conversation, but Adam brought up a written conversation, claiming it was documented (It was) and he apparently was privy to it, as he quoted from it publicly here on this forum. YOU made accusations here publicly against the individual who was talking to Alex. You falsely accused that individual publicly, so... Yes, it became necessary for that individual after being asked about it in order to answer and rebut your false accusations to share a photo copy- pdf file of that discussion, and yes, I have seen that. Again a better question would be, " Are you privy to that conversation? For you were the one accusing and condemning the individual, and if you aren't privy to it, then you have even less excuse to accuse them.
Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him.
Which two people are you talking about? How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex?
Well, Mr Pickle, even though you are asking Pat, I can answer this myself, as a group of us asked them about your claims, and Adam's. About both of your claims here on this forum, and the claims by Alex and Adam that all was documented, and so we all got answers from them in reply to that.
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex"
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
Again, a better question would be "How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex? And, why would you accuse them of witness tampering, or even trying to get Alex to drop charges (which is not witness tampering) without any proof or evidence of even that?
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
??? Wow, that is somewhat amusing.
** I wasn't aware of that either.
Alex, do you really have a cousin named Jamie Smith? My niece has a cousin named Jamie Smith also. He lives a few blocks from me, but is no blood relation to me, maybe he is related to you? Small world...
I looked up "jamie Smiths, and then "alex walkers" and found this group:
Are you Alex Walker? (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2259525287&v=wall) and it cracked me up, but then again, I am easily amused. ;)
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
??? Wow, and somewhat amusing.
** I wasn't aware of that either.
Alex, do you really have a cousin named Jamie Smith? My niece has a cousin named Jamie Smith also. He lives a few blocks from me, but is no blood relation to me, maybe he is related to you? Small world...
Give it up. We've told Alex what you're up to.
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
??? Wow, and somewhat amusing.
** I wasn't aware of that either.
Alex, do you really have a cousin named Jamie Smith? My niece has a cousin named Jamie Smith also. He lives a few blocks from me, but is no blood relation to me, maybe he is related to you? Small world...
I looked up "jamie Smiths, and then "alex walkers" and found this group:
Are you Alex Walker? (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2259525287&v=wall) and it cracked me up, but then again, I am easily amused. ;)
Give it up. We've told Alex what you're up to.
As if you would know...
I trust Alex has a brain and is able to think for himself, so what ever...
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How do you know that Brad doesn't believe Alex? How do you know? Even if he were to say that he doesn't believe Alex, how do you know that he doesn't?
Which conversation are you referring to? Are you privy to a recording of it? If not, how can you say that you know?Which two people are you talking about? How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex?
Answer to Robert Pickle, as turn about is fair play.
How do you know Brad does believe Alex? How do you know? Since he says that he doesn't believe Alex, why would you imply that he does?
Which conversations are you referring to? Are you privy to a recording of it? If not, how can you say that you know?
Which people are you talking about? [ Since you already said they were Brad Walker, Danny Shelton, Brenda Walsh and Trent Chance] How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex? And why would you accuse them of witness tampering if you have no evidence?
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Yes, I do have a cousin named Jamie Smith (by marriage.) I think I heard recently that they divorced though.
Second again: You keep bringing up the conversation with Trent. Yes, that was documented. What about my conversation with Brad? I did not use wiretapping to record our conversation. IF I wanted too all I would have to do is drive 15 minutes to the Indiana State line to do so. Trust me I was smart about how I went about that one. ;)
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Pat- There is evidence of every attempt that has been made to contact me. As I stated the right people have it.
By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.
You posted that Brenda said this:
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
You also said that Danny said this:
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar.
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
??? Wow, and somewhat amusing.
** I wasn't aware of that either.
Alex, do you really have a cousin named Jamie Smith? My niece has a cousin named Jamie Smith also. He lives a few blocks from me, but is no blood relation to me, maybe he is related to you? Small world...
I looked up "jamie Smiths, and then "alex walkers" and found this group:
Are you Alex Walker? (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2259525287&v=wall) and it cracked me up, but then again, I am easily amused. ;)
Give it up. We've told Alex what you're up to.
As if you would know...
I trust Alex has a brain and is able to think for himself, so what ever...
Yes he does. And he knows you're trying to make him think his family is against him. Sorry, not working.
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Yes, I do have a cousin named Jamie Smith (by marriage.) I think I heard recently that they divorced though.
Second again: You keep bringing up the conversation with Trent. Yes, that was documented. What about my conversation with Brad? I did not use wiretapping to record our conversation. IF I wanted too all I would have to do is drive 15 minutes to the Indiana State line to do so. Trust me I was smart about how I went about that one. ;)
I think you may have me confused with your room mate and friend,Adam,and 3ABN's accuser, Bob Pickle who you contacted in 2007, and then gave your statement to 6 mos later. Way before Tommy's arrest. That's how we knew about you,btw. Robert Pickle made your name and statement public! How would Pickle and Adam even know about your conversation with Trent, or your conversation with your brother, Brad, and bring it up in public if you didn't tell them??? Go back, look at the posts. I never brought anything up once about all this, neither did one other defender of 3ABN! Those you talked to did.. and those you talked to are 3ABN's accusers! I didn't even know about any of this until they brought it up here. I only went and asked those being accused by them ( Your brother, Brad, Danny, Trent, and Brenda) about all this after the 3ABN accusers here brought it up to condemn and accuse them because apparently you are talking to them and not keeping your mouth shut with them as you tell all others you have been "ordered to do".
You, imo, need to separate from 3ABN's accusers, and stop telling them things and then telling 3ABN's defenders: "Some things I will not be able to answer." when you have not only answered 3ABN's accusers, but witnessed the fact that they publicize it and accuse and condemn 3ABN with all that you tell them. You don't bother to correct anything, but in fact seem alright with it all, even with Adam's hateful accusations against your own brother.. You need to stop saying: "The proof has been given to the proper people and I am sorry but you are not one of them." when it comes to 3ABN's defenders while not saying that to 3ABN's accusers unless your real purpose here is to condemn and bring down 3ABN and try to destroy 3ABN's ministry.
You have a case, I understand that,and I even respect that, but it is against Tommy Shelton, not 3ABN! That means you shouldn't be talking to the 3ABN accusers and confiding in them and assisting them in accusing 3ABN, unless that is your goal in addition to accusing Tommy. Are you trying to bring 3ABN down? Either way it's obvious you are talking to the 3ABN accusers, but they aren't part of your case, and they aren't "the proper people" either, Alex. That means you should be telling them the same thing you tell those defending 3ABN: " I can't talk about it!" What is your goal here? Think,about that, and pray, please!
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Yes, I do have a cousin named Jamie Smith (by marriage.) I think I heard recently that they divorced though.
Second again: You keep bringing up the conversation with Trent. Yes, that was documented. What about my conversation with Brad? I did not use wiretapping to record our conversation. IF I wanted too all I would have to do is drive 15 minutes to the Indiana State line to do so. Trust me I was smart about how I went about that one. ;)
I think you may have me confused with your room mate and friend,Adam,and 3ABN's accuser, Bob Pickle who you contacted in 2007, and then gave your statement to 6 mos later. Way before Tommy's arrest. That's how we knew about you,btw. Robert Pickle made your name and statement public! How would Pickle and Adam even know about your conversation with Trent, or your conversation with your brother, Brad, and bring it up in public if you didn't tell them??? Go back look at the posts. I never brought anything up once about all this. Those you talked to did..I didn't even know about any of this until they brought it up here. I only went and asked those being accused ( Brad, Danny, Trent, and Brenda) about all this after the 3ABN accusers here brought it up because apparently you are talking to them and not keeping your mouth shut with them as you tell all others you have been "ordered to do".
You, imo, need to separate from them, and stop telling them things and then telling others: "Some things I will not be able to answer." when you have not only answered them, but they publicize it and you seem alright with it. You need to stop saying: "The proof has been given to the proper people and I am sorry but you are not one of them." While you talk to them.
You have a case, I understand that,and I even respect that, but that means you shouldn't be talking to the 3ABN accusers and confiding in them and assisting them in accusing 3ABN, unless that is your goal in addition to accusing Tommy. Are you trying to bring 3ABN down? Either way it's obvious you are talking to the 3ABN accusers, but they aren't part of your case, and they aren't "the proper people" either, Alex. That means you should be telling them the same thing you tell those defending 3ABN: " I can't talk about it!"
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I do not tell "3abn accusers" everything either. I do not tell them anymore than I am willing to tell anyone else. I do not control what Adam post. He is free to do as he wishes. Do I agree with everything? No, but he has the right to do so.
If you talked to my brother did he deny the following:
1. That he sated he was sorry for what happened to me and that he felt guilty?
2. That he has never left (his son) alone with Tommy nor would he ever?
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How do you know that Brad doesn't believe Alex? How do you know? Even if he were to say that he doesn't believe Alex, how do you know that he doesn't?
Which conversation are you referring to? Are you privy to a recording of it? If not, how can you say that you know?Which two people are you talking about? How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex?
Answer to Robert Pickle, as turn about is fair play.
How do you know Brad does believe Alex? How do you know? Since he says that he doesn't believe Alex, why would you imply that he does?
Which conversations are you referring to? Are you privy to a recording of it? If not, how can you say that you know?
Which people are you talking about? [ Since you already said they were Brad Walker, Danny Shelton, Brenda Walsh and Trent Chance] How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex? And why would you accuse them of witness tampering if you have no evidence?
Good Lord. Why on earth would someone call and appologize if he didn't believe him? Why would he say that he felt guilty that it happened to Alex if he didn't believe him? Seriously. Why would he say that he has never, nor would he ever leave his son alone with Tommy, if he didn't think Tommy was a pervert?
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There has been NO attempted Witness Tampering
Post by Pat Williams » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:53 am UTC
You would be hard pressed to prove that, and you have refused to try, from what I recall.
Brad doesn't believe Alex, ....
How do you know that Brad doesn't believe Alex? How do you know? Even if he were to say that he doesn't believe Alex, how do you know that he doesn't?
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false.
Which conversation are you referring to? Are you privy to a recording of it? If not, how can you say that you know?
Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him.
Which two people are you talking about? How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex?
Liar.
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There has been NO attempted Witness Tampering
Post by Pat Williams » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:53 am UTC
You would be hard pressed to prove that, and you have refused to try, from what I recall.
I am back from my hiatus/mandatory vacation here, and am admittedly attempting to play catch up, but this is a strange accusation to me. If you are accusing people of witness tampering, Mr Pickle, then the burden of proof is on you.
Why evade the point? Pat stated unequivocally that there was no attempted witness tampering going on, and I asked if that meant that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny had not contacted or attempted to contact Alex in order to try to persuade him to drop charges. If that's what Pat meant, then he/she should back up what he/she said. But I don't think that's possible.
Brad doesn't believe Alex, ....
How do you know that Brad doesn't believe Alex? How do you know? Even if he were to say that he doesn't believe Alex, how do you know that he doesn't?
How do I know? Brad is known to those "who know him" by his character and his actions and words as a good man, and despite Adam's accusations and the posts here, he isn't known as a liar by any who know him.
Does Brad deny that he has ever been unfaithful to his wife? I would be glad to have the rumor against him refuted that he was caught having an affair. Not every rumor is true, and it would be great if that rumor was false.
However, if that rumor is true, then it cannot be said that Brad is a good man, and that he is honest. He made vows before God that he would be true to his wife, and if he violated those vows his trustworthiness is in doubt.
I repeat: I hope that that rumor is not true at all. On the other hand, if Brad tried to persuade Alex to let a sexual predator and a pedophile off the hook, then Brad has lost his moral compass, in my opinion.
By the way, did Tommy ever make advances toward Brad?
But even if he hadn't answered the questions caused by Alex's friend, Adam's attacks of him, and your own here on this forum?? The fact that Alex questioned and implied then outright posted here, that he thought Sam was Brad, and the fact that his friend Adam (who is in his confidence), came on here and asked Pat: " If Sam isn't Brad, are you?" should cause any rational logical person to understand that they both understand that Brad doesn't believe Alex, otherwise they would have no reason to falsely surmise that Sam, and or Pat ( who don't believe Alex) are Brad, or even imply or ask that Those who comprehend that can see that this is just a facetious argument being made by you to discredit and undermine those you are attacking.
You've missed the point entirely. Danny has known for a long time that Tommy is a sexual predator and a pedophile. That hasn't kept Danny from using unethical means to defend Tommy. If Danny can do that, then theoretically others could too. Thus, just because Brad allegedly tried to persuade Alex to drop charges doesn't mean that Brad doesn't believe Alex. The same could be true of Sam and yourself, whether Sam or yourself are Brad or not.
YOU made accusations here publicly against the individual who was talking to Alex. You falsely accused that individual publicly, so... Yes, it became necessary for that individual after being asked about it in order to answer and rebut your false accusations to share a photo copy- pdf file of that discussion, and yes, I have seen that.
What PDF? Where did that come from? Who prepared it? How do you know it's authentic and accurate?
Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him.
Which two people are you talking about? How do you know whether or not they tried to contact Alex?
Well, Mr Pickle, even though you are asking Pat, I can answer this myself, as a group of us asked them about your claims, and Adam's. About both of your claims here on this forum, and the claims by Alex and Adam that all was documented, and so we all got answers from them in reply to that.
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex"
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
You have to remember that both Danny and Brenda have proven that they will lie, and so their word alone cannot be used to settle anything. It's unfortunate but true.
But even if their alleged statements above were true, which is in doubt, neither statement contradicts my statement which you are complaining about.
Thank you for admitting that both Brad and Trent contacted Alex. Are you willing to admit that they also tried to convince Alex to drop charges?
Thank you for also admitting that Danny never said that he had never tried to contact Alex, and thus that Pat misspoke.
... and 3ABN's accuser, Bob Pickle ....
I respectfully request that you not call me "3ABN's accuser." It makes it sound like 3ABN defends pedophilia, private inurement, malicious prosecution, abuse of process, and out and out lies.
I personally would like to see the wrongdoing separated as far as possible from 3ABN. When it comes to malicious prosecution and abuse of process, that is difficult to do. But certainly please refrain from connecting the defense of admitted pedophile Tommy Shelton with 3ABN, as far as possible.
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There has been NO attempted Witness Tampering
Post by Pat Williams » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:53 am UTC
You would be hard pressed to prove that, and you have refused to try, from what I recall.
I am back from my hiatus/mandatory vacation here, and am admittedly attempting to play catch up, but this is a strange accusation to me. If you are accusing people of witness tampering, Mr Pickle, then the burden of proof is on you.
Why evade the point?....You've missed the point entirely.....
NO, I am afraid it is you who have missed the point entirely. ( as in whoosh... right over your head) You accuse anyone of a crime, sin, or whatever as you do and have done? Then you need to provide evidence to support your claims or prove it. Making other accusations instead of that, or condemning others apart from that, when you are called to explain and prove all things? Well, that doesn't change anything, or make you any less accountable, or any less required to do so. That's just diversionary, evasive and less than honest. Many of us can see it, and it's "ugly", but it's better to face that here than before the throne of God...
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The exact same thing could be said about all the trash and lies you have spread about Alex and I.
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There has been NO attempted Witness Tampering
Post by Pat Williams » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:53 am UTC
You would be hard pressed to prove that, and you have refused to try, from what I recall.
I am back from my hiatus/mandatory vacation here, and am admittedly attempting to play catch up, but this is a strange accusation to me. If you are accusing people of witness tampering, Mr Pickle, then the burden of proof is on you.
Why evade the point?....You've missed the point entirely.....
NO, I am afraid it is you who have missed the point entirely. ( as in whoosh... right over your head) You accuse anyone of a crime, sin, or whatever as you do and have done? Then you need to provide evidence to support your claims or prove it. Making other accusations instead of that, or condemning others apart from that, when you are called to explain and prove all things? Well, that doesn't change anything, or make you any less accountable, or any less required to do so. That's just diversionary, evasive and less than honest. Many of us can see it, and it's "ugly", but it's better to face that here than before the throne of God...
Defending Child pedophila is ugly too, Pat! Nothing more sick.
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The exact same thing could be said about all the trash and lies you have spread about Alex and I.
I have at least provided information, (names,quotes, and links...)
You have provided nothing except empty claims, and "lol", "liar liar" "shut up!" "you don't deserve an answer" "coward" "lol" " I don't even know who you are!" " meddler and liar" "You will get no answers from me" "shut up!" and such...
So be it! Let the readers decide for themselves.
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The exact same thing could be said about all the trash and lies you have spread about Alex and I.
I have at least provided names,quotes, and links. You have provide nothing except "lol" and "liar liar" "coward" and " a meddler and liar" and such. So be it. Let the readers decide for themselves.
Yeah, quotes from proven liars.
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Why evade the point?....You've missed the point entirely.....
NO, I am afraid it is you who have missed the point entirely. ( as in whoosh... right over your head) You accuse anyone of a crime, sin, or whatever as you do and have done? Then you need to provide evidence to support your claims or prove it. Making other accusations instead of that, or condemning others apart from that, when you are called to explain and prove all things? Well, that doesn't change anything, or make you any less accountable, or any less required to do so. That's just diversionary, evasive and less than honest. Many of us can see it, and it's "ugly", but it's better to face that here than before the throne of God...
You can ignore the points if you want to. But it doesn't make you look good.
First of all, the second point I referred to that Jamie missed entirely had to do with the fact that Jamie's reasoning was flawed. Even if Brad is anonymously attacking Alex, it doesn't necessarily mean that Brad doesn't believe that Alex is telling the truth. Brad could believe that Alex is telling the truth, and be attacking him anyway. Jamie is going to have to come up with better logic than what he used.
Second of all, my first point still stands. You emphatically made an absolute, unequivocal statement that you cannot prove, and I called you on it. You stated that there was no attempted witness tampering going on, which statement I understand to be a denial that Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny have contacted or attempted to contact Alex to persuade him to drop charges. But since you cannot prove your statement to be true, you never should have made it.
Remember, you aren't God. You do not have absolute knowledge. Therefore, you should avoid making such exaggerated claims.
Especially since I have in my possession a communication from one of the individuals I named which clearly shows that there was an attempt to persuade Alex to drop charges using false information. It would be interesting to investigate just who was the source of the false information.
But since you won't let some of this die, let me ask you, are Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny thinking about suing me?
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Bob Pickle stated:
Does Brad deny that he has ever been unfaithful to his wife? I would be glad to have the rumor against him refuted that he was caught having an affair. Not every rumor is true, and it would be great if that rumor was false.
However, if that rumor is true, then it cannot be said that Brad is a good man, and that he is honest. He made vows before God that he would be true to his wife, and if he violated those vows his trustworthiness is in doubt.
I repeat: I hope that that rumor is not true at all. On the other hand, if Brad tried to persuade Alex to let a sexual predator and a pedophile off the hook, then Brad has lost his moral compass, in my opinion.
By the way, did Tommy ever make advances toward Brad?
Care to fill us in Pat since you seem to be acquainted with him?
Also you failed to answer this as well:
Thank you for admitting that both Brad and Trent contacted Alex. Are you willing to admit that they also tried to convince Alex to drop charges?
Again, you ignored the question. We're waiting...........
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The exact same thing could be said about all the trash and lies you have spread about Alex and I.
I have at least provided names,quotes, and links. You have provide nothing except empty claims, and "lol", "liar liar" "coward" and " a meddler and liar" "shut up!" and such... So be it! Let the readers decide for themselves.
You entirely and utterly failed to support your false claim that there had been no attempts made to persuade Alex to drop charges. No names, no quotes, no links to anything that could be considered credible evidence.
But I have communications in my possession from one of the individuals I named which shows that there were such attempts, using indisputably false information. And I'm not too happy about it, to tell you the truth. I think it would be good if the author contacted me privately and sought to make amends. The gospels teach us to do that, you know.
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Bob Pickle stated:
Does Brad deny that he has ever been unfaithful to his wife? I would be glad to have the rumor against him refuted that he was caught having an affair. Not every rumor is true, and it would be great if that rumor was false.
However, if that rumor is true, then it cannot be said that Brad is a good man, and that he is honest. He made vows before God that he would be true to his wife, and if he violated those vows his trustworthiness is in doubt.
I repeat: I hope that that rumor is not true at all. On the other hand, if Brad tried to persuade Alex to let a sexual predator and a pedophile off the hook, then Brad has lost his moral compass, in my opinion.
By the way, did Tommy ever make advances toward Brad?
Care to fill us in Pat since you seem to be acquainted with him?
Also you failed to answer this as well:
Thank you for admitting that both Brad and Trent contacted Alex. Are you willing to admit that they also tried to convince Alex to drop charges?
Again, you ignored the question. We're waiting...........
So, you are very publicly and apart from and in addition to your case against TS standing with Bob against your brother, and (or) against 3ABN now, Alex?
Just let us know, so we know how to reply to you please.
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I believe Alex has answered that question Pat. It is YOU who fails to listen. I am not Alex, nor am I invovled in the current case, so I have no problems posting as I chose. I don't have a dog in this fight. That does not at all mean Alex supports it or don't. :wave:
Alex said this, just incase you failed to read it:
I do not tell "3abn accusers" everything either. I do not tell them anymore than I am willing to tell anyone else. I do not control what Adam post. He is free to do as he wishes. Do I agree with everything? No, but he has the right to do so.
Also why doesn't Alex have the right to stand against his brother? Give me one good reason. His brother is standing against him. I'm sure your not complaining about that!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The exact same thing could be said about all the trash and lies you have spread about Alex and I.
I have at least provided information, (names,quotes, and links...)
You have provided nothing except empty claims, and "lol", "liar liar" "shut up!" "you don't deserve an answer" "coward" "lol" " I don't even know who you are!" " meddler and liar" "You will get no answers from me" "shut up!" and such...
So be it! Let the readers decide for themselves.
LOL. You're still trying to get info from me.
Yes, you've provided information. The problem is, its false information.
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Bob Pickle stated:
Does Brad deny that he has ever been unfaithful to his wife? I would be glad to have the rumor against him refuted that he was caught having an affair. Not every rumor is true, and it would be great if that rumor was false.
However, if that rumor is true, then it cannot be said that Brad is a good man, and that he is honest. He made vows before God that he would be true to his wife, and if he violated those vows his trustworthiness is in doubt.
I repeat: I hope that that rumor is not true at all. On the other hand, if Brad tried to persuade Alex to let a sexual predator and a pedophile off the hook, then Brad has lost his moral compass, in my opinion.
By the way, did Tommy ever make advances toward Brad?
Care to fill us in Pat since you seem to be acquainted with him?
Also you failed to answer this as well:
Thank you for admitting that both Brad and Trent contacted Alex. Are you willing to admit that they also tried to convince Alex to drop charges?
Again, you ignored the question. We're waiting...........
So, you are very publicly and apart from and in addition to your case against TS standing with Bob against your brother, and (or) against 3ABN now, Alex?
Just let us know, so we know how to reply to you please.
No, Pat. I have one objective and I am sure we will all agree that is enough. Having said that I will defend myself against any allegation (if I can) even if they come from my brother.
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Well, Well, Pat Williams has lockjaw now.
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Alex, it is the most common and expected thing for them to deal with matters like this by finding every way possible to attack and try to completely destroy the victim(s) of the family "problems." What the original molester did was not enough if you are still around, have friends, family, and are able to function. Until you are completely finished, they are not done with you. That is all you, or any victim can expect.
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Ok, so Huh? And who is Pat...I thought she was a man.........and what is her tie to this particular sage?
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I might be mistaken but somewhere along the post I think that 3-d took that new name of Pat. so might that still be Cindy ? :ROFL:
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I find it funny that when they get the answers they demand or they get the answers they don't like all these defenders vanish, until they come up with something brilliant to say. Or maybe they have to get it approved by their regime leader.
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ooooooookay! Gurl, I have to admit, I am just truly confused on this thread......LOL!!!
I might be mistaken but somewhere along the post I think that 3-d took that new name of Pat. so might that still be Cindy ? :ROFL:
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Di, the Jamie Smith name and the Pat Williams are all the same posters. Don't know why they did that cause their lingo and agenda is all the same.
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Ok, so my memory is coming back.......Pat is 3D, I remember that from last week. now. 3D is Jamie, too? You all don't have rules against multiple usernames? Makes you all look like Sybil.
Di, the Jamie Smith name and the Pat Williams are all the same posters. Don't know why they did that cause their lingo and agenda is all the same.
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Jamie Smith was Nosir Myzing. They still might be the same person. :hot:
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Ok, so my memory is coming back.......Pat is 3D, I remember that from last week. now. 3D is Jamie, too? You all don't have rules against multiple usernames? Makes you all look like Sybil.
Di, the Jamie Smith name and the Pat Williams are all the same posters. Don't know why they did that cause their lingo and agenda is all the same.
lol of lol, Do you know how many times I wanted to put "Sybil" on here for all the characters coming from one person??? and you did it!! That shows I am not the only one that thinks some ways..sometimes..lol Yes, the one especially is like "Sybil" even in her verbage. She needs help!!
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Hmmm... so it seems we all understand that folks are known by their fruits. I, myself think many here sound just like one another and say the same things,, but know they are not the same individual. That's me...
I also seem to recall several quotes from EGW, stating that in heaven and in the world made new, we will only take our characters with us, and that Adam and Eve had that opportunity to develop such, but basicly blew it, and because of the eternal covenant, that is what we have the chance here to develop and that we are all given the grace of God and his mercy to develop, and that through out eternity those who have faith and represent Christ due to being recreated in His image will all represent him and have His same fruits, and His ways and His thoughts will be theirs, not because they are Him, or are the same person, but all due to Him to the glory of God almighty, and because one person, Jesus Christ enabled them and loved them enough to make that possible and give them that opportunity.
Maybe? Just maybe, folks here should be more concerned about love and fruits, and the methods used here and whether what is done and said is right or wrong according to Christ and his Father, rather than in who a particular individual is, or is not on this earth???
We are not accountable for what others say and do, but we are accountable for what we do and say in reply, and we are accountable for how we treat them, and all, because Although all not all will be saved, Jesus loved and died for each one, and took their sins upon himself and payed the price for them. If we can't identify with why Jesus loved and died for his enemies taking the punishment that we all have earned, than how can we identify ourselves with him? How can we say we are His? How can we say we represent Him in this world, much less expect to represent him elsewhere in all worlds and throughout creation?
I'm just saying... The arguments and claims here are petty to me when considered in the grand scheme and plan of God Almighty and not worth the attention they are being given. To me right and wrong, and truth and lies, and who Jesus Christ is and how He is identified are much more important. Again, that is me..
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To me right and wrong, and truth and lies, and who Jesus Christ is and how He is identified are much more important. Again, that is me..
If I take this at face value we are fully in agreement. But to me it seems like your main concern has been to twist and turn whatever is wrong and whatever is a lie to make it appear as if it is the real truth. That, to me, does not seem to be the work of a true Christian. So there are religions are very much different. I happen to be a Seventh-day Adventist Christian who believes in following my Lord Jesus Christ in TRUTH and sincerity, and you and I would be much more in accord with each other if I could trace a desire in your regular writing to head in that direction.
Let's try to approach each other and let the Lord lead in our lives. . .
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To me right and wrong, and truth and lies, and who Jesus Christ is and how He is identified are much more important. Again, that is me..
If I take this at face value we are fully in agreement. But to me it seems like your main concern has been to twist and turn whatever is wrong and whatever is a lie to make it appear as if it is the real truth. That, to me, does not seem to be the work of a true Christian. So there are religions are very much different. I happen to be a Seventh-day Adventist Christian who believes in following my Lord Jesus Christ in TRUTH and sincerity, and you and I would be much more in accord with each other if I could trace a desire in your regular writing to head in that direction.
Let's try to approach each other and let the Lord lead in our lives. . .
We can try.. But from my POV where we differ is that you make claims about who you are, while I don't. I don't need you to determine whether I have a true desire, Johann, and I don't care about whether you do determine that I do or not. Nor do I presume to judge your heart and mind in return.That isn't mine to judge unless something escapes and is revealed by your own words and acts. Whether you belong to Jesus and are God's is his to decide, not mine..... My words and how I treat others and judge them speak for myself and that I can and will be judged by, as will you... So I leave it to others to determine what is Christian and what is not, and whether they think I am a Seventh-day- Adventist Christian or not, by my posts and words, while knowing and accepting that Christ alone truly judges and will be the final decision. As far as truth goes, well that is determined by the facts, not by a crowd and not by empty claims and testimonies about our own self righteousness, or justifications, right?
I get tired of all this and so am going elsewhere to refresh.
laters...
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Just maybe, folks here should be more concerned about love and fruits, and the methods used here and whether what is done and said is right or wrong according to Christ and his Father, rather than in who a particular individual is, or is not on this earth???
Thus, you should have no problem expressing genuine support of admitted pedophile Tommy Shelton's victims rather than attacking them. Expressing support would be fruit and love.
I'm just saying... The arguments and claims here are petty to me when considered in the grand scheme and plan of God Almighty and not worth the attention they are being given. To me right and wrong, and truth and lies, and who Jesus Christ is and how He is identified are much more important. Again, that is me..
Jesus does not condone attempted witness tampering. He doesn't condone Danny Shelton's deceptive cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton. He doesn't condone the insinuated threats made to try to convince the victims to drop charges.
Such things are by no means petty in the grand scheme. After all, eating a mere piece of fruit was a super big deal in Eden. In fact, if a requirement God has given appears petty, then that makes it all the more important, because disobedience in an easy and simple matter is all the more inexcusable and grave.
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."
What are you referring to amd talking about?
The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that, so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this, stink to high heaven!
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Jamie and Pat, it was a lot more enjoyable around here when you two were gone, so take a hint. No one here is going to take into account anything either of you say, as you have both been exposed as liars. Anonymous liars, but liars nonetheless.
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Jamie and Pat, it was a lot more enjoyable around here when you two were gone, so take a hint. No one here is going to take into account anything either of you say, as you have both been exposed as liars. Anonymous liars, but liars nonetheless.
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By the way Jamie I will post on any forum I so choose. As I said I have one objective and that is this case, so quit trying to tie me in to everything else. That is all I have to say about this anymore. It's your choice to chose to listen or ignore.
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."
What are you referring to amd talking about?
The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that, so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this, stink to high heaven!
You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.
This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:
By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.
You posted that Brenda said this:
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.
You also said that Danny said this:
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar
As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.
Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.
* The red is my responce to their statements.*
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This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.
Remember, this whole thing started out of a desire to protect 3ABN and the Illinois Conference from liability due to Danny Shelton's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy.
Search through http://www.Save-3ABN.com/ (http://www.Save-3ABN.com/) and pinpoint what criticisms exist there against 3ABN in contrast to concerns about Danny's choices. Post what you find, with dates if possible.
Of course, at some point, it became hard not to implicate more than just Danny in wrongdoing, particularly after the board decided to sue Adventist church members in order to shut them up.
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."
What are you referring to amd talking about?
The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that, so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this, stink to high heaven!
You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.
This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:
By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.
You posted that Brenda said this:
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.
You also said that Danny said this:
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar
As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.
Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.
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Why don't we consider both Danny Shelton and Brenda Walshes answers in light of the questions actually asked of them , those being in regard to their contacting or attempting to contact you and intimidate and or physically threaten you and try to force you to change your testimony which is witness tampering? Why don't we consider their answers in light of the questions asked of them in regards to Bob Pickle's claims that they were trying to get you to drop charges? Why don't we consider them in light of your roommate and friend's personal claims that he could testify that they did contact you and that it is documented when they never even attempted to do so? Why don't we consider that neither Pickle nor Adam has a reason or call to make any such claims against them unless you told them that? And why don't all here, as well as myself look at the arguments you just made above and consider whats said, and whether they admit it or or not acknowledge that your answers are evasive and not responsive to the allegations against others made on your behalf? Accusations most likely instigated and caused by yourself and your words to them? Why don't we all acknowledge that you can say, i don't always agree with Adam, and have, but have so far never posted any disagreement, and although you claim you aren't with Pickle, that you sought him out a year before the Prosecutor and State of VA filed charges against TS, and claim you NEVER did so and only talk to him through attorneys, yet here you are, in a forum owned by Pickle and parked on his server and dedicated to accusing 3ABN and finding them guilty, but claim you are just here innocently and didn't know that?
As I said, it stinks.
You and your buddy do not need to be here to seek justice, and indeed will never find it here, nor will you ever be taken seriously by one single 3ABN supporter while you are here aligned with and supporting 3ABN's enemies. You are known by your friends and what side you stand on.
ADMIN HAT ON
Your continued "cc: other forum" references are not necessary, nor are they welcome here, as any who have been reading here long enough know you are referencing Cindy and Steffan's smut site. And for our new members who don't know about the smut site, they don't need to find it here.
ADMIN HAT OFF
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Or, you could simply [censored] out.
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BTW Jamie, Tommy plead guilty
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OK?!! I am just not understanding why come they don't get that!
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."
What are you referring to amd talking about?
The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that, so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this, stink to high heaven!
You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.
This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:
By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.
You posted that Brenda said this:
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.
You also said that Danny said this:
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar
As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.
Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.
* The red is my responce to their statements.*
Why don't we consider both Danny Shelton and Brenda Walshes answers in light of the questions actually asked of them , those being in regard to their contacting or attempting to contact you and intimidate and or physically threaten you and try to force you to change your testimony which is witness tampering? Why don't we consider their answers in light of the questions asked of them in regards to Bob Pickle's claims that they were trying to get you to drop charges? Why don't we consider them in light of your roommate and friend's personal claims that he could testify that they did contact you and that it is documented when they never even attempted to do so? Why don't we consider that neither Pickle nor Adam has a reason or call to make any such claims against them unless you told them that? And why don't all here, as well as myself look at the arguments you just made above and consider whats said, and whether they admit it or or not acknowledge that your answers are evasive and not responsive to the allegations against others made on your behalf? Accusations most likely instigated and caused by yourself and your words to them? Why don't we all acknowledge that you can say, i don't always agree with Adam, and have, but have so far never posted any disagreement, and although you claim you aren't with Pickle, that you sought him out a year before the Prosecutor and State of VA filed charges against TS, and claim you NEVER did so and only talk to him through attorneys, yet here you are, in a forum owned by Pickle and parked on his server and dedicated to accusing 3ABN and finding them guilty, but claim you are just here innocently and didn't know that?
As I said, it stinks.
You and your buddy do not need to be here to seek justice, and indeed will never find it here, nor will you ever be taken seriously by one single 3ABN supporter while you are here aligned with and supporting 3ABN's enemies. You are known by your friends and what side you stand on.
cc: other forum
Jamie said:
Why don't we consider both Danny Shelton and Brenda Walshes answers in light of the questions actually asked of them , those being in regard to their contacting or attempting to contact you and intimidate and or physically threaten you and try to force you to change your testimony which is witness tampering?
As I stated before obviously Brenda does not tell the truth, so how can she be trustworthy? That was a bold face lie that she has never met me and that she is surprised I know her name. Her responce speaks for itself, Jamie. As far as Danny saying he has NEVER communicated with me that is a lie as well. I am not going to comment on any form of witness tampering that may or may not occurred. Sorry.
Jamie said:
Why don't we all acknowledge that you can say, i don't always agree with Adam.
I have made it clear that I do not agree with all of his analysis. You chose to ignore that.
Jamie said:
and although you claim you aren't with Pickle, that you sought him out a year before the Prosecutor and State of VA filed charges against TS, and claim you NEVER did so and only talk to him through attorneys, yet here you are, in a forum owned by Pickle and parked on his server and dedicated to accusing 3ABN and finding them guilty, but claim you are just here innocently and didn't know that?
Again I'm not going to discuss this with you. I have made it clear that I am not in any shape or form involved in this case against 3ABN or Danny. Quit lying. The only reason I'm on here is because of your slanderous acts that I was made aware of. That is the only reason I'm here. Again I'm not going to discuss anymore with you as I have nothing to prove to you. Get over it.
Jamie said:
You and your buddy do not need to be here to seek justice, and indeed will never find it here, nor will you ever be taken seriously by one single 3ABN supporter while you are here aligned with and supporting 3ABN's enemies. You are known by your friends and what side you stand on.
Your right I am not on here to seek justice as I think it's already being done. Quit playing me as ignorant. Do you really think I care what 3ABN supporters think? Absolutely not. I have no ties to 3ABN nor do I care about them. Get that through your head.
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Forget these two clowns, Alex. You don't owe them any explanations. They just cant accept the fact that Tommy is an admitted child molestor and no one is intimidated by Danny anymore.
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Forget these two clowns, Alex. You don't owe them any explanations. They just cant accept the fact that Tommy is an admitted child molestor and no one is intimidated by Danny anymore.
You are correct.
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Di,
Apparently they don't get it because their apples, oranges, and limes of "Sybil" character are fighting their selves to which can claim the whole tree.
Williams, by all means the correct analysis of "character building" is to follow instructions of God's Word. You use wrong applications that only fit your multiple characters. It is very evident the instructions do not get past your rules and dense weeds. Your following your own corrupt self perfection developing a "fruitloop" the tree just can't grow. It is more then obvious once you sprout...
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:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Di,
Apparently they don't get it because their apples, oranges, and limes of "Sybil" character are fighting their selves to which can claim the whole tree.
Williams, by all means the correct analysis of "character building" is to follow instructions of God's Word. You use wrong applications that only fit your multiple characters. It is very evident the instructions do not get past your rules and dense weeds. You following your own corrupt self perfection developing a "fruitloop" the tree just can't grow. It is more then obvious once you sprout...
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While we are considering, why don't we consider what might qualify as witness tampering. Would threatening (by direct or indirect means) to launch a campaign to discredit someone in their family, their circle of friends, their community, their church, and/or their job qualify? And what if that campaign were launched? Would that qualify? What if their job was threatened? What if someone took measures to try to make that person lose their job? Would that count? Would attempts to isolate that person in the context of friends, family and community qualify?
Why don't we consider both Danny Shelton and Brenda Walshes answers in light of the questions actually asked of them , those being in regard to their contacting or attempting to contact you and intimidate and or physically threaten you and try to force you to change your testimony which is witness tampering? Why don't we consider their answers in light of the questions asked of them in regards to Bob Pickle's claims that they were trying to get you to drop charges? Why don't we consider them in light of your roommate and friend's personal claims that he could testify that they did contact you and that it is documented when they never even attempted to do so? Why don't we consider that neither Pickle nor Adam has a reason or call to make any such claims against them unless you told them that? And why don't all here, as well as myself look at the arguments you just made above and consider whats said, and whether they admit it or or not acknowledge that your answers are evasive and not responsive to the allegations against others made on your behalf? Accusations most likely instigated and caused by yourself and your words to them? Why don't we all acknowledge that you can say, i don't always agree with Adam, and have, but have so far never posted any disagreement, and although you claim you aren't with Pickle, that you sought him out a year before the Prosecutor and State of VA filed charges against TS, and claim you NEVER did so and only talk to him through attorneys, yet here you are, in a forum owned by Pickle and parked on his server and dedicated to accusing 3ABN and finding them guilty, but claim you are just here innocently and didn't know that?
As I said, it stinks.
You and your buddy do not need to be here to seek justice, and indeed will never find it here, nor will you ever be taken seriously by one single 3ABN supporter while you are here aligned with and supporting 3ABN's enemies. You are known by your friends and what side you stand on.
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This is just disgusting. Lies, lies, and more darn lies..........
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Why don't we consider their answers in light of the questions asked of them in regards to Bob Pickle's claims that they were trying to get you to drop charges?
Jamie, not to belittle you, but you might want to consult a dictionary as to the definition of "or," for you seem to have trouble understanding the typical meaning of that word. Until then, please refrain from misconstruing what I said.
... although you claim you aren't with Pickle, that you sought him out a year before the Prosecutor and State of VA filed charges against TS, ....
Are you sure you got your time line right?
You and your buddy do not need to be here to seek justice, and indeed will never find it here, nor will you ever be taken seriously by one single 3ABN supporter while you are here aligned with and supporting 3ABN's enemies.
Sounds like spin to me.
Why don't we just impose an outright ban on all enemies of 3ABN, and only allow discussion from enemies of child molestation, adultery, private inurement, deception, kickbacks, threatening non-Adventist preachers, firing whistleblowers, and taking your brother to court when that brother requested the opportunity to sit down and discuss concerns, as well as discussion from the friends of such perversities? Would that suit your fancy?
What percentage of "3ABN supporters" approve of such perversities?
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What if their job was threatened? What if someone took measures to try to make that person lose their job? Would that count?
Good question. Anyone know?
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So, Bob, your questions/accusations of witness tampering did not include threats of any kind? Simply asking them to not to testify does not count as tampering.
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Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.
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I'm a hairstylist...well...retired hairstylist...........LOL!!!
Shabbat Shalom: Do we have a Hebrew scholar here? Perhaps only his barber (her hair dresser) knows.
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."
What are you referring to amd talking about?
The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that, so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this, stink to high heaven!
You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.
Wellll then,your mouthpiece, Adam, as Samuel Thomas has and he knows even less about Danny and 3abn than you do.
This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:
By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.
You posted that Brenda said this:
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.
Now you are using pickle tactics. Let's examine this. Do you mean that you met Brenda back when you were 11 or 12 and helped your brother off and on one summer at 3abn? So that was about 12 years ago when you were just a kid and we all know Brenda meets thousands of kids every year, all over the world. So if this is when Brenda met you I hardly think you could call her a liar when 12 years later she doesn't remember Alex Walker as a kid. Now what would something that Brenda has no memory of have to do with her calling you now and intimidating you? You are lying and you know it.
You posted that Brenda said this:
You also said that Danny said this:
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar
Same deal here. It is possible that at the time you helped your brother, when you were a kid, you may have met Danny. Do you honestly think he would remember that? Give me a break! And, again, what would that have to do with him intimidating you now? You don't seem to understand that leaving out key details to make a situation something that it isn't, is a lie.
As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.
Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.
* The red is my responce to their statements.*
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My advice is to ignore all these anonymous trolls who are just phishing. They deserve NO explanations about anything.
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No, Sam. You are a liar again. First of all I was not 11 or 12 when I worked at 3ABN (shows how much you know.)It was also longer than one summer. And it was by far 12 years ago. I am surprised 3ABN does not keep better logs than that.
Truth of the matter is according to your own time line; Brad was still living in the state of Virginia so explain to me how that was possible? Again your facts are dead wrong.
As you said Sam:
You don't seem to understand that leaving out key details to make a situation something that it isn't, is a lie.
Danny and Brenda are lying end of story. I have not just "met" Danny and Brenda. That's all the responce your getting.
Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you? :help: As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)
Your right, Duane. Sam just helped prove that they are an uninformed liar.
One more thing Sam are you willing to admit that you lied about Glenn Dryden kicking me out of Ezra? I think an apology will suffice.
Sam, I will not be responding to you anymore. In my book you are nothing but subhuman garbage.
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There ya go, Duane! And to be fair, I am still wondering how folks got not only Danny, but Brandy and her child to take a paternity test. I would not have dignified that one with even the slightest acknowledgement. Folks to ask anything they want, doesn't mean you have to waste your breath answering them.
My advice is to ignore all these anonymous trolls who are just phishing. They deserve NO explanations about anything.
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This is for Sam, 3D, and Pat:
We are many and you are few,
we listen to the crap you spew.
Don’t think we aren’t up to speed,
on truth and lies as you deceive.
You spout out lines of twisted tales,
like politicians or car sales.
You change what we would like to hear,
while your treachery has no fear.
You are what’s wrong in every way,
no longer care ‘bout what you say.
You paint your picture so distorted,
you change the story not reported.
The words come out but do not say,
the truth behind what you portray.
You bend the facts for your own gain.
How is it that you feel no pain?
LIAR!!!
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My advice is to ignore all these anonymous trolls who are just phishing. They deserve NO explanations about anything.
ok, clue one, Clem! When people are rebutting the lies here and giving information they are not seeking any information from those of you who consistently refuse to give any. So basically? Give up the lies. They aren't working, and they make you look not just deceptive, but silly.
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."
What are you referring to amd talking about?
The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that, so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this, stink to high heaven!
You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.
Wellll then,your mouthpiece, Adam, as Samuel Thomas has and he knows even less about Danny and 3abn than you do.
This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:
By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.
You posted that Brenda said this:
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.
Now you are using pickle tactics. Let's examine this. Do you mean that you met Brenda back when you were 11 or 12 and helped your brother off and on one summer at 3abn? So that was about 12 years ago when you were just a kid and we all know Brenda meets thousands of kids every year, all over the world. So if this is when Brenda met you I hardly think you could call her a liar when 12 years later she doesn't remember Alex Walker as a kid. Now what would something that Brenda has no memory of have to do with her calling you now and intimidating you? You are lying and you know it.
You posted that Brenda said this. You also said that Danny said this:
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar
Same deal here. It is possible that at the time you helped your brother, when you were a kid, you may have met Danny. Do you honestly think he would remember that? Give me a break! And, again, what would that have to do with him intimidating you now? You don't seem to understand that leaving out key details to make a situation something that it isn't, is a lie.
As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.
Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.
* The red is my responce to their statements.*
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I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.
When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.
Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.
But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.... Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you? :help: As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)
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I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.
When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.
Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.
But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.... Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you? :help: As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)
I do not tell "3abn accusers" everything either. I do not tell them anymore than I am willing to tell anyone else. I do not control what Adam post. He is free to do as he wishes. Do I agree with everything? No, but he has the right to do so.
I am not going to comment on any form of witness tampering that may or may not occurred. Sorry.
So there you have it?
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Sam,... In my book you are nothing but subhuman garbage.
This is for Sam, 3D, and Pat:
We are many and you are few,
we listen to the crap you spew
Don’t think we aren’t up to speed,
on truth and lies as you deceive.
You spout out lines of twisted tales,
like politicians or car sales.
You change what we would like to hear,
while your treachery has no fear.
You are what’s wrong in every way,
no longer care ‘bout what you say.
You paint your picture so distorted,
you change the story not reported.
The words come out but do not say,
the truth behind what you portray.
You bend the facts for your own gain.
How is it that you feel no pain?
LIAR!!!
Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that's why I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....
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I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.
When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.
Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.
But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.... Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you? :help: As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)
Taking portions of my conversation with Trent isn't going to work either. At that point no I didn't communicate with Bob on a regular basis honestly it's none of your business how much I talk to him anyway. I am not commenting on this subject matter because I have been advised not too if you can't accept that then that's your problem. Next time you talk to Trent be sure to tell him that the comment that he left on my facebook page has been recovered as well. :) He will know what I mean.
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I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.
When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.
Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.
But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.... Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
Have I ever said that Danny or Brenda was trying to intimidate me? No, again your a liar.
(even if they have do you think I would tell you? :help: As I have stated everything is documented and given to the proper people.)
What exactly does that mean? What two conversations are you referring too? You only have access to one. How do you know for sure the other one verifies that? You have no clue. You do not have the conversation between Brad and myself and I know that for a fact. So again quit lying.
I previously said this and I stick by it. I am not going to comment on anything that has to do with the pending case so quit phishing. Oh, and Jamie you and Trenton Chance have pretty similar typing abilities. :dunno:
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Sam,... In my book you are nothing but subhuman garbage.
This is for Sam, 3D, and Pat:
We are many and you are few,
we listen to the crap you spew
Don’t think we aren’t up to speed,
on truth and lies as you deceive.
You spout out lines of twisted tales,
like politicians or car sales.
You change what we would like to hear,
while your treachery has no fear.
You are what’s wrong in every way,
no longer care ‘bout what you say.
You paint your picture so distorted,
you change the story not reported.
The words come out but do not say,
the truth behind what you portray.
You bend the facts for your own gain.
How is it that you feel no pain?
LIAR!!!
Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that's why I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....
I would like to know where Sam gets his proof to his insults and accusations.
He proved himself to be an uninformed liar. He lied about how old I was when I worked at 3ABN. He also lied about me being kicked out of Ezra not to mention the many other lies he has told against me. Yet I am the liar.
Yes, anyone who has to hide themselves yet attack me anonymously IS subhuman garbage in my book. One can't help but to wonder what does he/she have to hide? As I have proven I am not intimidated by any of you all.
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I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.
When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.
Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.
But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....
"... so your only source for this lie ...." What lie? Be specific. Quote exactly what I said, and then point out exactly what was a lie in what I said.
Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?
Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.
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Oh, and Jamie you and Trenton Chance have pretty similar typing abilities. :dunno:
Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?
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I am not bearing false witness. Any statements I have made regarding attempted witness tampering were referring to Brad, Trent, Brenda, and/or Danny attempting to convince Alex to drop charges. Your declaring that my statements are 100% false indicate that what I was referring to was false, and thus my statement was accurate.
When someone suggests to a potential witness that his testifying against a known sexual predator and pedophile could have bad consequences to the witness himself, that someone should perhaps consult an attorney to see if he or she did or did not violate the statute. At least one or two of the above individuals are alleged to have done that.
Simply asking them may not be a violation of the statute, but my understanding is that there was intimidation or threats involved.
But Danny and Brenda haven't even talked to Alex about the case and the other two's conversations are recorded and verify they didn't do so,and they deny such also, so your only source for this lie has to be Alex, but even he doesn't seem to want to say such or back you....
"... so your only source for this lie ...." What lie? Be specific. Quote exactly what I said, and then point out exactly what was a lie in what I said.
That has already been done more than several times in this topic. I don't plan on taking a ride on his merry go round and rehash all. If Robert Pickle doesn't remember or know what he said. He needs to reread his own posts and the replies to them, his meaning was quite clear and his accusations are still identified in his posts and remain unproven and false.
Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?
Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.
Alex and Adam they have said over and over that all is documented... yet here is Robert Pickle "essentially" admitting he doesn't even know what he has been talking about and has no basis or evidence to support any of his false accusations. His lack of knowledge is not my problem. The bottom line here is that if Mr Pickle has not seen and does not know the content of any conversations already then he had no business accusing anybody of witness tampering and of using intimidation and threats. Look at him. He has the burden of proving his own claims but refuses to acknowledge that or to be accountable and yet tries to demand that of me.
Oh, and Jamie you and Trenton Chance have pretty similar typing abilities. :dunno:
Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?
He wouldn't and he isn't. You are the one who came on here accusing him falsely. Why don't you leave him alone and out of it? Your desire to condemn any and all in your jihad continues to be despicable, and puts you in a very bad light in the eyes of many even though you apparently can't see or comprehend that.
Good-bye.
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Ok! As if I wasn't confused enough.......Who the heck is Trenton Chance?
Bob, I have to ask this question. When you mention people that are only known to those you are seeking to provoke in some way, shape or form, are you looking to drag that person into this increasingly sordid mess? Somehow show up, and mix it up with the rest of you? I'm jes askin'.......... :dunno:
3D, alex, why are you al leaving? I know you don't want to post on board, but could one or even both of you PM me to explain further? It would go a long way on clearing up some of my confusion.
Oh, and Jamie you and Trenton Chance have pretty similar typing abilities. :dunno:
Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?
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Ok! As if I wasn't confused enough.......Who the heck is Trenton Chance?
He is one of Tommy Shelton's nephews, and is about the same age as Alex. He and Alex had a conversation on facebook right after Tommy was arrested. He was basically asking Alex what had happened and asking him to think about all. All was said in a Christian and caring and concerned manner, but Pickle is now attacking him and accusing him of trying to intimidate and threaten Alex and of witness tampering. It's ridiculous and false, as many of Pickle's accusations are... Trent has nothing to do with all this and is just a nice young kid, but apparently Bob wants to throw him under the bus along with all the other innocents and uninvolved people he has done that to in his war with 3ABN and DS.
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Thanks Jamie! Yeah, that bus throwing is a problem.
Ok so Alex, you told Bob about this conversation on FB, and gave your permission for the personal contact/conversation to be discussed here?
He is one of Tommy Shelton's nephews, and is about the same age as Alex. He and Alex had a conversation on facebook right after Tommy was arrested. He was basically asking Alex what had happened and asking him to think about all. All was said in a Christian and caring and concerned manner, but Pickle is now attacking him and accusing him of trying to intimidate and threaten Alex and of witness tampering. It's ridiculous and false, as many of Pickle's accusations are... Trent has nothing to do with all this and is just a nice young kid, but apparently Bob wants to throw him under the bus along with all the other innocents and uninvolved people he has done that to in his war with 3ABN and DS.
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That has already been done more than several times in this topic.
I don't recall anyone pointing out what you are talking about. Your unwillingness to quote what you are complaining about is evidence that you are trying to misrepresent what was actually said.
If Robert Pickle doesn't remember or know what he said.
I remember quite well what I said. It was your attempt to mischaracterize what I said that led me to ask you to quote what you are claiming is a lie.
He needs to reread his own posts and the replies to them, his meaning was quite clear and his accusations are still identified in his posts and remain unproven and false.
What I said was 100% accurate.
Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?
Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.
Alex and Adam they have said over and over that all is documented... yet here is Robert Pickle "essentially" admitting he doesn't even know what he has been talking about and has no basis or evidence to support any of his false accusations.
You're the one who is making an explicit statement based on alleged recordings, which implies that you have heard (or seen?) those recordings. My question to you was based on my not knowing how you could have any access whatsoever to such recordings.
If Alex or an attorney documented a phone call, that isn't a recording, and that doesn't mean you have access to it. So 'fess up: Do you have access to recordings or not? Were you prevaricating when you spoke as if you have had access to recordings?
Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?
He wouldn't and he isn't. You are the one who came on here accusing him falsely.
I think your side has already admitted that Trenton contacted Alex to try to persuade him to drop charges, so he is already involved, and saying so is not accusing him falsely.
The question is whether or not Trenton is posting here.
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Ok! As if I wasn't confused enough.......Who the heck is Trenton Chance?
He is one of Tommy Shelton's nephews, and is about the same age as Alex. He and Alex had a conversation on facebook right after Tommy was arrested. He was basically asking Alex what had happened and asking him to think about all. All was said in a Christian and caring and concerned manner, but Pickle is now attacking him and accusing him of trying to intimidate and threaten Alex and of witness tampering. It's ridiculous and false, as many of Pickle's accusations are... Trent has nothing to do with all this and is just a nice young kid, but apparently Bob wants to throw him under the bus along with all the other innocents and uninvolved people he has done that to in his war with 3ABN and DS.
Nice young kids do not defame those concerned about a pedophile with bogus accusations. It is not Christian to defame those concerned about a pedophile with bogus accusations of crime. If Trenton truly is a Christian, he will promptly seek to make amends for his defamatory conduct.
How do you know it was on facebook? Did Alex say that somewhere?
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That has already been done more than several times in this topic.
I don't recall anyone pointing out what you are talking about. Your unwillingness to quote what you are complaining about is evidence that you are trying to misrepresent what was actually said.
If Robert Pickle doesn't remember or know what he said.
I remember quite well what I said. It was your attempt to mischaracterize what I said that led me to ask you to quote what you are claiming is a lie.
He needs to reread his own posts and the replies to them, his meaning was quite clear and his accusations are still identified in his posts and remain unproven and false.
What I said was 100% accurate.
Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?
Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.
Alex and Adam they have said over and over that all is documented... yet here is Robert Pickle "essentially" admitting he doesn't even know what he has been talking about and has no basis or evidence to support any of his false accusations.
You're the one who is making an explicit statement based on alleged recordings, which implies that you have heard (or seen?) those recordings. My question to you was based on my not knowing how you could have any access whatsoever to such recordings.
If Alex or an attorney documented a phone call, that isn't a recording, and that doesn't mean you have access to it. So 'fess up: Do you have access to recordings or not? Were you prevaricating when you spoke as if you have had access to recordings?
Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?
He wouldn't and he isn't. You are the one who came on here accusing him falsely.
I think your side has already admitted that Trenton contacted Alex to try to persuade him to drop charges, so he is already involved, and saying so is not accusing him falsely.
Pickle is wrong. Nobody said that but Robert Pickle. He has a less than honest habit of putting his words in others mouths to find fault with them and argue and accuse. Which makes it virtually impossible to have conversations with the man.
The question is whether or not Trenton is posting here.
No, he's not. To the best of my knowledge he has never even read here and I am not going to help Pickle in his ongoing persecution and victimization of others and will not speak about him further to Pickle who owes him an apology, but will never admit to that. The only reason I am answering this post is for the sake of others, so they are not confused or misled by Robert Pickle.
Finis
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Ok! As if I wasn't confused enough.......Who the heck is Trenton Chance?
He is one of Tommy Shelton's nephews, and is about the same age as Alex. He and Alex had a conversation on facebook right after Tommy was arrested. He was basically asking Alex what had happened and asking him to think about all.
I think your side has already admitted that Trenton contacted Alex to try to persuade him to drop charges, so he is already involved, and saying so is not accusing him falsely.
So Jamie, you're admitting that Trent asked Alex "to think about it all," but you maintain that this carefully worded admission doesn't mean that Trent was trying to persuade Alex to drop charges? Are you really sure? Don't you think the average person would equate the two?
And why wouldn't Alex be willing to make amends for his defamatory statements regarding someone concerned about the conduct of admitted pedophile Tommy Shelton, if he really is a Christian?
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Ok, Bob, so you are saying that Trenton not only ask Alex about his pressing charges, but defamed him in what way.
And why isn't Alex bringing out this conversation? Bob, he asked you to bring it up?
Edited for "color"! Hehehehe!! ;D
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That has already been done more than several times in this topic.
I don't recall anyone pointing out what you are talking about. Your unwillingness to quote what you are complaining about is evidence that you are trying to misrepresent what was actually said.
If Robert Pickle doesn't remember or know what he said.
I remember quite well what I said. It was your attempt to mischaracterize what I said that led me to ask you to quote what you are claiming is a lie.
He needs to reread his own posts and the replies to them, his meaning was quite clear and his accusations are still identified in his posts and remain unproven and false.
What I said was 100% accurate.
Where can I can get a hold of the recordings you refer to? Have you personally listened to those recordings? Or are you referring to a transcription that you've read? If so, who made that transcription?
Seems I've asked something along these lines before and someone declined to answer. I suspect you will decline and that that will support the idea that you've never read or heard any recordings, contrary to what you've suggested.
Alex and Adam they have said over and over that all is documented... yet here is Robert Pickle "essentially" admitting he doesn't even know what he has been talking about and has no basis or evidence to support any of his false accusations.
You're the one who is making an explicit statement based on alleged recordings, which implies that you have heard (or seen?) those recordings. My question to you was based on my not knowing how you could have any access whatsoever to such recordings.
If Alex or an attorney documented a phone call, that isn't a recording, and that doesn't mean you have access to it. So 'fess up: Do you have access to recordings or not? Were you prevaricating when you spoke as if you have had access to recordings?
Why would Trenton want to get all mixed up in this mess?
He wouldn't and he isn't. You are the one who came on here accusing him falsely.
I think your side has already admitted that Trenton contacted Alex to try to persuade him to drop charges, so he is already involved, and saying so is not accusing him falsely.
Pickle is wrong. Nobody said that but Robert Pickle. He has a less than honest habit of putting his words in others mouths to find fault with them and argue and accuse. Which makes it virtually impossible to have conversations with the man.
The question is whether or not Trenton is posting here.
No, he's not. To the best of my knowledge he has never even read here and I am not going to help Pickle in his ongoing persecution and victimization of others and will not speak about him further to Pickle who owes him an apology, but will never admit to that. The only reason I am answering this post is for the sake of others, so they are not confused or misled by Robert Pickle.
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Answer my question.
What exactly does that mean? What two conversations are you referring too? You only have access to one. How do you know for sure the other one verifies that? You have no clue. You do not have the conversation between Brad and myself and I know that for a fact. So again quit lying. What other conversation besides Trents are you referring to?
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Ok, Bob, so you are saying that Trenton not only ask Alex about his pressing charges, but defamed him in what way.
And why isn't Alex bringing out this conversation? Bob, he asked you to bring it up?
I am not bringing it up because I have been advised not too. I have not asked anyone to do such a thing either.
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Ok, Bob, so you are saying that Trenton not only ask Alex about his pressing charges, but defamed him in what way.
And why isn't Alex bringing out this conversation? Bob, he asked you to bring it up?
I am not bringing it up because I have been advised not too. I have not asked anyone to do such a thing either.
Did Trenton Chance tell you about the nasty comment that he left on my facebook page that initiated the conversation between him and myself? That comment was later deleted but has since been restored. I am not even going to go into detail what that comment stated but it was far from good Christian manner.
I will also mention that was NOT the only facebook contact that I received on the current case either. The son of a local business owner in West Frankfort (I have been told is either a good friend of the Sheltons or is a relative) also contacted me on this subject. That conversation was also nasty and slanderous and has been documented.
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Gotcha Alex! It is as I thought. More than a few have learned not to divulge information anyway asscoiated with 3ABN it's employees, officers, families(no matter the promises of secrecy), unless you are ready for it to be posted to the world wide web. ;D
I am not bringing it up because I have been advised not too. I have not asked anyone to do such a thing either.
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Ok, Bob, so you are saying that Trenton not only ask Alex about his pressing charges, but defamed him in what way.
And why isn't Alex bringing out this conversation? Bob, he asked you to bring it up?
Edited for "color"! Hehehehe!! ;D
Di, the defamatory part I was thinking of when I write what I wrote wasn't about Alex.
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I don't know that simply asking a person to drop charges or not testify would qualify as tampering. However if that person were threatened directly, or indirectly, with a smear campaign, or other forms of punishment, should they proceed, would that qualify? How about if the person(s) who approached or confronted with requests or demands were turned down and followed up by systematically contacting the friends, family, colleagues, church, employer, potential employer(s), etc, with allegations, facts, rumors, or implications meant to harm or destroy that person's relationships, employment, and standing in the community? Would that be considered tampering, or some other actionable offense?
If that is the case then they are all guilty as charged.
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Wonder what Brad Walker has to say to all of this? You all fly off the handle at Alex when his name is mentioned wondering why Alex is allowing such attacks on his brother. However, you all keep your lying mouths shut when Brad allows such filth.
So tell us:
1. Does Brad deny his conversation with Alex even though it has been documented? Where he clearly apologized to Alex, and showed concern about his own son's well-being?
2. Does Brad deny his affair with Tammy Larson?
3. Does Brad deny flying out to Illinois when he lived in Virginia when allegations was surfing against his and Alex's own brother? Where he clearly stated his intent was to have him institutionalized because he needed help? Yet, he defends his pedophile father in law and claims he is innocent?
4. Is Brad Walker only defending his pedophile father in law because he is married to a Shelton and another Shelton writes his checks?
5. Has Tommy Shelton made advances towards Brad at any point?
Shall I continue? If so I will be back. :wave:
I do not believe any of these questions are unfair. You want answers start giving them as well.
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."
What are you referring to amd talking about?
The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that, so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this, stink to high heaven!
You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.
Wellll then,your mouthpiece, Adam, as Samuel Thomas has and he knows even less about Danny and 3abn than you do.
This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:
By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.
You posted that Brenda said this:
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.
Now you are using pickle tactics. Let's examine this. Do you mean that you met Brenda back when you were 11 or 12 and helped your brother off and on one summer at 3abn? So that was about 12 years ago when you were just a kid and we all know Brenda meets thousands of kids every year, all over the world. So if this is when Brenda met you I hardly think you could call her a liar when 12 years later she doesn't remember Alex Walker as a kid. Now what would something that Brenda has no memory of have to do with her calling you now and intimidating you? You are lying and you know it.
You posted that Brenda said this:
You also said that Danny said this:
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar
Same deal here. It is possible that at the time you helped your brother, when you were a kid, you may have met Danny. Do you honestly think he would remember that? Give me a break! And, again, what would that have to do with him intimidating you now? You don't seem to understand that leaving out key details to make a situation something that it isn't, is a lie.
As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.
Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.
* The red is my responce to their statements.*
It's funny Sam when you get caught in your web of lies that you high tell it and run for a few weeks. Then you poke your head back in and spout off at the mouth again, and show that you really are not very intelligent.
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Sam,... In my book you are nothing but subhuman garbage.
This is for Sam, 3D, and Pat:
We are many and you are few,
we listen to the crap you spew
Don’t think we aren’t up to speed,
on truth and lies as you deceive.
You spout out lines of twisted tales,
like politicians or car sales.
You change what we would like to hear,
while your treachery has no fear.
You are what’s wrong in every way,
no longer care ‘bout what you say.
You paint your picture so distorted,
you change the story not reported.
The words come out but do not say,
the truth behind what you portray.
You bend the facts for your own gain.
How is it that you feel no pain?
LIAR!!!
Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that's why I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....
There is plenty of evidence to back this up. However, someone hiding like you, Sam, and 3D probably couldn't understand anyway.
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My advice is to ignore all these anonymous trolls who are just phishing. They deserve NO explanations about anything.
ok, clue one, Clem! When people are rebutting the lies here and giving information they are not seeking any information from those of you who consistently refuse to give any. So basically? Give up the lies. They aren't working, and they make you look not just deceptive, but silly.
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I have to address something right here and now. I am getting sick of reading this same old line "about the character and testimony of the victims." None of you know the character of the victims. Have you ever met them?
I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim. He is an outstanding citizen in his community and is truely involved in his church. Don't believe me? Come to where he lives and ask people, if they know Alex Walker. You will hear nothing but good from them.
So quit attacking someones "character" that you know nothing about.
Why don't you attack Tommy's character? This may sound hateful and frankly I don't care. You all are deluded. Keep defending your admitted child predator. Just remember what the Bible says. -------------------
You know what I pray one day, none of your children are abused. Why? Mostly, because of the hurt that would be caused to them. Secondly, because you fools probably wouldn't believe them.
You all are sick and need Jesus !!!
My prayer is that you find him before it is everlasting to late!
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" I can testify to the fact that Alex's character is nothing like you claim."
What are you referring to amd talking about?
The truth is no one defending 3ABN was attacking Alex or his character, Adam, and no one defending 3abn even mentioned him by name or even accused him. NOT ONCE. Not one was doing so in any post you are replying to here. It was you who came here and brought him up and made his character and case an issue illiciting questions and answers from those you accused on his behalf. He claims you say as you choose, so do you, but it is obvious that you argue and present only what he tells you, as you aren't involved or a witness in his case, and haven't even met those you accuse and condemn and attack on his behalf.. Even here in this current discussion, no one mentioned Alex, but you came flying in to defend him and accuse and find fault with others. It's ridiculous as far as I am concerned. This is a forum against DS and 3ABN, yet here you and Alex are, and claim that attacking 3ABN and DS is not your purpose or agenda for being here.. It's NOT believable, sorry because Alex approached Bob Pickle according to Bob, and according to Alex he never filed a complaint or report against Tommy Shelton with law enforcement, which he should have done if his purpose was legit. Instead of giving them a report he gave it to Bob Pickle... and claims he didn't even know there was a case against Tommy Shelton until a reporter approached him after Tommy's arrest claiming he was a complaintant.I can quote him about that if you or he want to dispute that, so what are he and you doing here in a forum and posting against DS abd 3ABN, and attacking those defending them if your issue is Tommy Shelton and child abuse within the Church of God? IMO- IMHO, you and your arguments and protests and accusations about all this, stink to high heaven!
You are a liar. That's all I have to say about that. I have never once posted anything about Danny Shelton or 3ABN. So quit lying. I am not here to attack 3ABN or Danny Shelton nor have I.
Wellll then,your mouthpiece, Adam, as Samuel Thomas has and he knows even less about Danny and 3abn than you do.
This is the only thing that I have posted in regards to Danny Shelton or anyone associated with 3ABN:
By the way Brenda Walsh DOES know who I am. It is also a lie for her to say she has never met me. That's all I'm going to say about that.
You posted that Brenda said this:
Brenda Walsh said "I have never met Alex, nor have I have talked with him, written him, or communicated with him in any way shape or form! What is interesting is how he even knows my name!!"
Brenda is lying here because she does know who I am and yes she has met me.
Now you are using pickle tactics. Let's examine this. Do you mean that you met Brenda back when you were 11 or 12 and helped your brother off and on one summer at 3abn? So that was about 12 years ago when you were just a kid and we all know Brenda meets thousands of kids every year, all over the world. So if this is when Brenda met you I hardly think you could call her a liar when 12 years later she doesn't remember Alex Walker as a kid. Now what would something that Brenda has no memory of have to do with her calling you now and intimidating you? You are lying and you know it.
You posted that Brenda said this. You also said that Danny said this:
Danny Shelton simply said " I have never talked to Alex" Ask Danny to define never. If he is saying it in the literal sense of the meaning than he too is a liar
Same deal here. It is possible that at the time you helped your brother, when you were a kid, you may have met Danny. Do you honestly think he would remember that? Give me a break! And, again, what would that have to do with him intimidating you now? You don't seem to understand that leaving out key details to make a situation something that it isn't, is a lie.
As far as the last part of your post; I cannot discuss that. I have that same conversation you apparently have (between Trent and myself) as does my attorneys. I will not discuss that any farther.
Now I am done here. I do not have anything to prove to you anyway.
* The red is my responce to their statements.*
Rebutting the lies, by posting some of your own? :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Oh my no wonder the world is in the sick shape it is in. If that is your definition of "rebutting" someone needs help! :help:
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Jamie posted earlier Alex's responce to this that Trenton Chance said.
Trenton said:
I'm going to have to advise you to start thinking for yourself and don't let others (Pickle, etc) think for you. You don't need legal counsel. Tommy is the one who got arrested. If anything you should do your best to remove any damage you may have done and back out of this before Tommy does die at the hands of injustice.
Do you know how many thousands of people love Tommy Shelton? Do you know how many people are completely nuts of those thousands? Who knows what mess you may end up in. Lawyers want a case that can get attention and cash. It's their job. That's a no brainer. Pickle is out for blood - that... that is pure evil.
This was Alex's responce:
As I stated, I am cooperating with the police. I have no reason not too. All I can say is that yes, something did happen. I'm not sure what you are meaning by damages that I have done.
Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
I thought it to be only fair to allow everyone to see what prompted that explanation.
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Jamie posted earlier Alex's responce to this that Trenton Chance said.
Trenton said:
I'm going to have to advise you to start thinking for yourself and don't let others (Pickle, etc) think for you. You don't need legal counsel. Tommy is the one who got arrested. If anything you should do your best to remove any damage you may have done and back out of this before Tommy does die at the hands of injustice.
Do you know how many thousands of people love Tommy Shelton? Do you know how many people are completely nuts of those thousands? Who knows what mess you may end up in. Lawyers want a case that can get attention and cash. It's their job. That's a no brainer. Pickle is out for blood - that... that is pure evil.
This was Alex's responce:
As I stated, I am cooperating with the police. I have no reason not too. All I can say is that yes, something did happen. I'm not sure what you are meaning by damages that I have done.
Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
I thought it to be only fair to allow everyone to see what prompted that explanation.
Sounds like a threat to me.
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It's more then a threat, it is degrading, intimidation, devouring, and downright evil. and who is the lovers of TS???? is this person have any sanity? Alex you cannot parley with the devil and keep your strength up. That is the point of this and their agenda. It comes natural to them and quite alarming to you. It's the way Satan does it.
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So you all read that the same way I did? If that isn't a threat tell me what is?
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Trenton actually wrote that to you Alex? And you have a copy of it?
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Trenton actually wrote that to you Alex? And you have a copy of it?
Yep and yes I do, as does my attorneys.
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My advice is to ignore all these anonymous trolls who are just phishing. They deserve NO explanations about anything.
ok, clue one, Clem! When people are rebutting the lies here and giving information they are not seeking any information from those of you who consistently refuse to give any. So basically? Give up the lies. They aren't working, and they make you look not just deceptive, but silly.
I have told no lies, troll. Lay off the attitude till you learn to pull it off better.
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Trenton actually wrote that to you Alex? And you have a copy of it?
Yep and yes I do, as does my attorneys.
Not very smart at all on his part.
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It's more then a threat, it is degrading, intimidation, devouring, and downright evil. and who is the lovers of TS???? is this person have any sanity? Alex you cannot parley with the devil and keep your strength up. That is the point of this and their agenda. It comes natural to them and quite alarming to you. It's the way Satan does it.
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As usual you couldn't be any more wrong in your judgement of this person. Here is a little more of what he said:
I'm just begging you to look at the facts and the facts are this sickly
elderly man doesn't need to go to jail. His family loves him and those of
us who have known him are entire lives have never experienced anything
strange or out of the ordinary.
Please... do what is truly the right thing.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Sounds like a young man trying to encourage another young man to tell the truth.
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It's more then a threat, it is degrading, intimidation, devouring, and downright evil. and who is the lovers of TS???? is this person have any sanity? Alex you cannot parley with the devil and keep your strength up. That is the point of this and their agenda. It comes natural to them and quite alarming to you. It's the way Satan does it.
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As usual you couldn't be any more wrong in your judgement of this person. Here is a little more of what he said:
I'm just begging you to look at the facts and the facts are this sickly
elderly man doesn't need to go to jail. His family loves him and those of
us who have known him are entire lives have never experienced anything
strange or out of the ordinary.
Please... do what is truly the right thing.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Sounds like a young man trying to encourage another young man to tell the truth.
Sam-
It sounds like someone needs to encourage YOU to tell the truth Sam. I have told the truth if you can't accept that than tough (censored). So back off you sub-human liar.
I believe you owe me an appology for the numerous lies you have told. I'm waiting... I am willing to forgive you as long as you man-up and admit you was an uninformed liar.
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My advice is to ignore all these anonymous trolls who are just phishing. They deserve NO explanations about anything.
ok, clue one, Clem! When people are rebutting the lies here and giving information they are not seeking any information from those of you who consistently refuse to give any. So basically? Give up the lies. They aren't working, and they make you look not just deceptive, but silly.
I have told no lies, troll. Lay off the attitude till you learn to pull it off better.
lol subhuman garbage I tell you Duane.
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It's more then a threat, it is degrading, intimidation, devouring, and downright evil. and who is the lovers of TS???? is this person have any sanity? Alex you cannot parley with the devil and keep your strength up. That is the point of this and their agenda. It comes natural to them and quite alarming to you. It's the way Satan does it.
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As usual you couldn't be any more wrong in your judgement of this person. Here is a little more of what he said:
I'm just begging you to look at the facts and the facts are this sickly
elderly man doesn't need to go to jail. His family loves him and those of
us who have known him are entire lives have never experienced anything
strange or out of the ordinary.
Please... do what is truly the right thing.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Sounds like a young man trying to encourage another young man to tell the truth.
That whole conversation makes me sick to my stomach and I want to throw up!! The "sickly elderly" man needs to pay for the damage he has done to the young men who were boys when he, TS, murdered who they were and changed forever who they would be. I am also sick of that "He who is without sin.......being misused. This is NOT one young man trying to encourage another to tell the truth. The other young man already has and TS has admitted his guilt. End of story!!
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It's more then a threat, it is degrading, intimidation, devouring, and downright evil. and who is the lovers of TS???? is this person have any sanity? Alex you cannot parley with the devil and keep your strength up. That is the point of this and their agenda. It comes natural to them and quite alarming to you. It's the way Satan does it.
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As usual you couldn't be any more wrong in your judgement of this person. Here is a little more of what he said:
I'm just begging you to look at the facts and the facts are this sickly
elderly man doesn't need to go to jail. His family loves him and those of
us who have known him are entire lives have never experienced anything
strange or out of the ordinary.
Please... do what is truly the right thing.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Sounds like a young man trying to encourage another young man to tell the truth.
Sounds manipulative to me. Who taught Trent to be manipulative like that? Danny? Someone else?
Which Sheltons have known him their entire lives and have never experienced anything strange or out of the ordinary? Which Sheltons honestly didn't know that Tommy was a pedophile, a sexual predator preying on boys and young men? Which Sheltons didn't know that Tommy was a practicing homosexual cheating on his wife? After all the years of allegations and cover ups, more than 3 years after Save3ABN was launched, which Sheltons were still ignorant and clueless in March 2010?
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It's more then a threat, it is degrading, intimidation, devouring, and downright evil. and who is the lovers of TS???? is this person have any sanity? Alex you cannot parley with the devil and keep your strength up. That is the point of this and their agenda. It comes natural to them and quite alarming to you. It's the way Satan does it.
edited to add s
As usual you couldn't be any more wrong in your judgement of this person. Here is a little more of what he said:
I'm just begging you to look at the facts and the facts are this sickly
elderly man doesn't need to go to jail. His family loves him and those of
us who have known him are entire lives have never experienced anything
strange or out of the ordinary.
Please... do what is truly the right thing.
"He who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Sounds like a young man trying to encourage another young man to tell the truth.
Judgements are based on facts and documents that normal people go by. You do not read well the copy of what was said. Those words were issued and well understood the many angles it imposed maliciously to the victims. Your word's of "begging" tells the "love" of your life!!!!!
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Jamie posted earlier Alex's responce to this that Trenton Chance said.
Trenton said:
I'm going to have to advise you to start thinking for yourself and don't let others (Pickle, etc) think for you. You don't need legal counsel. Tommy is the one who got arrested. If anything you should do your best to remove any damage you may have done and back out of this before Tommy does die at the hands of injustice.
Do you know how many thousands of people love Tommy Shelton? Do you know how many people are completely nuts of those thousands? Who knows what mess you may end up in. Lawyers want a case that can get attention and cash. It's their job. That's a no brainer. Pickle is out for blood - that... that is pure evil.
This was Alex's responce:
As I stated, I am cooperating with the police. I have no reason not too. All I can say is that yes, something did happen. I'm not sure what you are meaning by damages that I have done.
Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
I thought it to be only fair to allow everyone to see what prompted that explanation.
Sounds like a threat to me.
It doesn't sound like a threat to me because I know Trent and he isn't like that. I can't imagine him threatening anybody. I have read the whole conversation now, and that is why I think he was just trying to say all of the people who know and love Tommy can't all be crazy. I think the part about ending up in a mess was warning him to think because of all of the people here who hate Tommy and Pickle being out for blood . Alex wouldn't tell Trent what happened but was saying he never wrote a statement for the police of filed charges and didn't know about anything until a reporter came to his door. I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about. Anyway, I never met Tommy, but I do know Trent so wanted to say this. I hope I can say this and don't get called names because I took this a different way.
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It doesn't sound like a threat to me because I know Trent and he isn't like that. I can't imagine him threatening anybody. I have read the whole conversation now, ....
Have you read the message that Trent deleted?
... and that is why I think he was just trying to say all of the people who know and love Tommy can't all be crazy. I think the part about ending up in a mess was warning him to think because of all of the people here who hate Tommy and Pickle being out for blood .
And who said Pickle is out for blood? Have you read the false, defamatory things Trent said about Pickle?
Alex wouldn't tell Trent what happened but was saying he never wrote a statement for the police of filed charges and didn't know about anything until a reporter came to his door.
A reporter showed up at his door? How did the reporter know who he was, and where he lived? When was this?
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Jamie posted earlier Alex's responce to this that Trenton Chance said.
Trenton said:
I'm going to have to advise you to start thinking for yourself and don't let others (Pickle, etc) think for you. You don't need legal counsel. Tommy is the one who got arrested. If anything you should do your best to remove any damage you may have done and back out of this before Tommy does die at the hands of injustice.
Do you know how many thousands of people love Tommy Shelton? Do you know how many people are completely nuts of those thousands? Who knows what mess you may end up in. Lawyers want a case that can get attention and cash. It's their job. That's a no brainer. Pickle is out for blood - that... that is pure evil.
This was Alex's responce:
As I stated, I am cooperating with the police. I have no reason not too. All I can say is that yes, something did happen. I'm not sure what you are meaning by damages that I have done.
Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
I thought it to be only fair to allow everyone to see what prompted that explanation.
Sounds like a threat to me.
It doesn't sound like a threat to me because I know Trent and he isn't like that. I can't imagine him threatening anybody. I have read the whole conversation now, and that is why I think he was just trying to say all of the people who know and love Tommy can't all be crazy. I think the part about ending up in a mess was warning him to think because of all of the people here who hate Tommy and Pickle being out for blood . Alex wouldn't tell Trent what happened but was saying he never wrote a statement for the police of filed charges and didn't know about anything until a reporter came to his door. I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about. Anyway, I never met Tommy, but I do know Trent so wanted to say this. I hope I can say this and don't get called names because I took this a different way.
You just proved yourself to be a liar too. You "think" to much obviously. Prove that I said such nonsense. What I said is I did not know Tommy was arrested until I talked to a reporter. I did talk to the police back in 2007 or 2008 and gave them my statement(no, it may not have been written but they sure heard my story). She (the reporter) never came to my door! Never said I was going to sue the prosecutor either. It is none of your business why I hired attorneys.
Quit being like Sam and tell the whole truth. It makes you look less than intelligent. You just like Sam proved yourself to be another uninformed liar.
You brought this up so it's your duty to prove them or you can be like the rest spout off at the mouth then run and hide!
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It doesn't sound like a threat to me because I know Trent and he isn't like that. I can't imagine him threatening anybody. I have read the whole conversation now, ....
Have you read the message that Trent deleted?
... and that is why I think he was just trying to say all of the people who know and love Tommy can't all be crazy. I think the part about ending up in a mess was warning him to think because of all of the people here who hate Tommy and Pickle being out for blood .
And who said Pickle is out for blood? Have you read the false, defamatory things Trent said about Pickle?
Alex wouldn't tell Trent what happened but was saying he never wrote a statement for the police of filed charges and didn't know about anything until a reporter came to his door.
A reporter showed up at his door? How did the reporter know who he was, and where he lived? When was this?
I am sure that he/she has not read that comment so its a lie to say that he/she has read the "whole conversation." It's just another anonymous subhuman liar.
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Alex, Why are you calling me a liar and subhuman? That is what I was afraid of and why I wasn't posting here before. I am not trying to be mean to you. It's just I do know Trent. I don't know why what I said about him made you mad at me. It is true I do think, but not too much I think. ;) I did not remember right about the door part. I am very sorry. You told him you got called by a reporter. Maybe you are right that why you hired attorneys is not my business, but I didn't say anything about you hiring attorneys. I don't like being called a liar when I am not lying. I did read the whole discussion. I didn't get it from Trent or talk to him about this. I was asking somebody else I know about all this and they answered the questions they knew about. They gave me a copy of the discussion that's how I read it all. I will ask and see if I can post it all because they won't come here and do it. I do know you said this part that I was talking about. That shouldn't make you mad.
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.
As far as the trial, I do not know much. I have not been communicated
with since the arrest. Let me say this, and it is nothing different then what
I told Brad, so I think I can say it.
I did call the detective from fair fax county two years ago. I never pressed
formal charges; actually I never pressed them at all. I had no idea that
Tommy was going to be arrested until after it happened.
I want to make that point crystal clear. That I did communicate with the
police detective, but never met her, nor did I write or file any charges or
statements to her, but the phone conversations.
I have hired attorneys, who are looking into the case, but this has been
since the charges were brought. Honestly, I was advised that it was in my
best interest to get legal counsel so that is what I did. To be honest with
you, how I learned of Tommy’s arrest was a news reporter who called me.
Like I said, I never pressed formal charges. However, I feel compelled to
cooperate with the police.
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Alex, Why are you calling me a liar and subhuman? That is what I was afraid of and why I wasn't posting here before. I am not trying to be mean to you. It's just I do know Trent. I don't know why what I said about him made you mad at me. It is true I do think, but not too much I think. ;) I did not remember right about the door part. I am very sorry. You told him you got called by a reporter. Maybe you are right that why you hired attorneys is not my business, but I didn't say anything about you hiring attorneys. I don't like being called a liar when I am not lying. I did read the whole discussion. I didn't get it from Trent or talk to him about this. I was asking somebody else I know about all this and they answered the questions they knew about. They gave me a copy of the discussion that's how I read it all. I will ask and see if I can post it all because they won't come here and do it. I do know you said this part that I was talking about. That shouldn't make you mad.
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.
As far as the trial, I do not know much. I have not been communicated
with since the arrest. Let me say this, and it is nothing different then what
I told Brad, so I think I can say it.
I did call the detective from fair fax county two years ago. I never pressed
formal charges; actually I never pressed them at all. I had no idea that
Tommy was going to be arrested until after it happened.
I want to make that point crystal clear. That I did communicate with the
police detective, but never met her, nor did I write or file any charges or
statements to her, but the phone conversations.
I have hired attorneys, who are looking into the case, but this has been
since the charges were brought. Honestly, I was advised that it was in my
best interest to get legal counsel so that is what I did. To be honest with
you, how I learned of Tommy’s arrest was a news reporter who called me.
Like I said, I never pressed formal charges. However, I feel compelled to
cooperate with the police.
Then you need to learn how to read Mrs. Harley:
My definition of "formal charges" is what an ordinary person would consider. They never asked me if I wanted to press charges as most police agencies do. However, I gave them my statement and obviously they thought that was enough! No, at that point I had never met her (the detective) in person. Where do I say that I am going to sue the prosecutor in that? Where does it say the reporter came to my door? Does it not say that I am cooperating with law enforcement? Yes, I was unaware of Tommy's arrest until I received a few phone calls one of those being from the reporter.
Again, you say you read the whole discussion. Your lying again I know for a fact that you did not see the deleted comment Trent wrote that has since that time been recovered.
Did you get this from the same person who claims that they talked to my mother? After I had given you her information to do it yourself? If so, Mrs. Harley you need a better source of information!!
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Harley,
It is impossible to take people at face value and think you know them no more then you can claim that TS and DS is not guilty no matter how much you "think" or take notice of just face value. One does not ever being a christian want to believe the worst but when the evidence is there and you still don't except it because of "love of face value" there is extreme problem that you do not listen or read the examples of Biblical experiences. You end up as a human sympathizer that Satan uses the most against Christians. You must realize that none of this would be on here to talk about in dismay and deceivement if there was no documents, victims of many telling the same story that each did not know of each other. So it is evident that your sympathies are based on face value not accepting what sickness is in the mind or hearts that only God knows and brings to light the "Devil's folly" within the biggest and worse situations of all "Worldwide SDA religion" but the "tree grew" and black, molded "nuts" that nobody can eat is everywhere fallen and it does appear always that the majority is wrong.... No wacky hanky panky, no smacky lacky.
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Alex, Why are you calling me a liar and subhuman? That is what I was afraid of and why I wasn't posting here before. I am not trying to be mean to you. It's just I do know Trent. I don't know why what I said about him made you mad at me. It is true I do think, but not too much I think. ;) I did not remember right about the door part. I am very sorry. You told him you got called by a reporter. Maybe you are right that why you hired attorneys is not my business, but I didn't say anything about you hiring attorneys. I don't like being called a liar when I am not lying. I did read the whole discussion. I didn't get it from Trent or talk to him about this. I was asking somebody else I know about all this and they answered the questions they knew about. They gave me a copy of the discussion that's how I read it all. I will ask and see if I can post it all because they won't come here and do it. I do know you said this part that I was talking about. That shouldn't make you mad.
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.
As far as the trial, I do not know much. I have not been communicated
with since the arrest. Let me say this, and it is nothing different then what
I told Brad, so I think I can say it.
I did call the detective from fair fax county two years ago. I never pressed
formal charges; actually I never pressed them at all. I had no idea that
Tommy was going to be arrested until after it happened.
I want to make that point crystal clear. That I did communicate with the
police detective, but never met her, nor did I write or file any charges or
statements to her, but the phone conversations.
I have hired attorneys, who are looking into the case, but this has been
since the charges were brought. Honestly, I was advised that it was in my
best interest to get legal counsel so that is what I did. To be honest with
you, how I learned of Tommy’s arrest was a news reporter who called me.
Like I said, I never pressed formal charges. However, I feel compelled to
cooperate with the police.
Then you need to learn how to read Mrs. Harley:
My definition of "formal charges" is what an ordinary person would consider. They never asked me if I wanted to press charges as most police agencies do. However, I gave them my statement and obviously they thought that was enough! No, at that point I had never met her (the detective) in person. Where do I say that I am going to sue the prosecutor in that? Where does it say the reporter came to my door? Does it not say that I am cooperating with law enforcement? Yes, I was unaware of Tommy's arrest until I received a few phone calls one of those being from the reporter.
Again, you say you read the whole discussion. Your lying again I know for a fact that you did not see the deleted comment Trent wrote that has since that time been recovered.
Did you get this from the same person who claims that they talked to my mother? After I had given you her information to do it yourself? If so, Mrs. Harley you need a better source of information!!
No, it was not the same person. I hope you can understand me, Alex. I am not accusing you. I am not trying to argue with you. I am sorry you are trying to do that with me. I am sorry I made you mad. I don't think it is good to try to talk when people are mad or being upset and calling names, so I won't. I am not ever going to argue with you either. I don't like that. I am still going to ask if I can post the discussion so people can know by themselves what was said. I think I need to because you keep calling me a liar about it. I think if people are talking, they need to know what they are talking about. That is all I will do or say here about all this from now on.
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Alex, Why are you calling me a liar and subhuman? That is what I was afraid of and why I wasn't posting here before. I am not trying to be mean to you. It's just I do know Trent. I don't know why what I said about him made you mad at me. It is true I do think, but not too much I think. ;) I did not remember right about the door part. I am very sorry. You told him you got called by a reporter. Maybe you are right that why you hired attorneys is not my business, but I didn't say anything about you hiring attorneys. I don't like being called a liar when I am not lying. I did read the whole discussion. I didn't get it from Trent or talk to him about this. I was asking somebody else I know about all this and they answered the questions they knew about. They gave me a copy of the discussion that's how I read it all. I will ask and see if I can post it all because they won't come here and do it. I do know you said this part that I was talking about. That shouldn't make you mad.
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.
As far as the trial, I do not know much. I have not been communicated
with since the arrest. Let me say this, and it is nothing different then what
I told Brad, so I think I can say it.
I did call the detective from fair fax county two years ago. I never pressed
formal charges; actually I never pressed them at all. I had no idea that
Tommy was going to be arrested until after it happened.
I want to make that point crystal clear. That I did communicate with the
police detective, but never met her, nor did I write or file any charges or
statements to her, but the phone conversations.
I have hired attorneys, who are looking into the case, but this has been
since the charges were brought. Honestly, I was advised that it was in my
best interest to get legal counsel so that is what I did. To be honest with
you, how I learned of Tommy’s arrest was a news reporter who called me.
Like I said, I never pressed formal charges. However, I feel compelled to
cooperate with the police.
Then you need to learn how to read Mrs. Harley:
My definition of "formal charges" is what an ordinary person would consider. They never asked me if I wanted to press charges as most police agencies do. However, I gave them my statement and obviously they thought that was enough! No, at that point I had never met her (the detective) in person. Where do I say that I am going to sue the prosecutor in that? Where does it say the reporter came to my door? Does it not say that I am cooperating with law enforcement? Yes, I was unaware of Tommy's arrest until I received a few phone calls one of those being from the reporter.
Again, you say you read the whole discussion. Your lying again I know for a fact that you did not see the deleted comment Trent wrote that has since that time been recovered.
Did you get this from the same person who claims that they talked to my mother? After I had given you her information to do it yourself? If so, Mrs. Harley you need a better source of information!!
No, it was not the same person. I hope you can understand me, Alex. I am not accusing you. I am not trying to argue with you. I am sorry you are trying to do that with me. I am sorry I made you mad. I don't think it is good to try to talk when people are mad or being upset and calling names, so I won't. I am not ever going to argue with you either. I don't like that. I am still going to ask if I can post the discussion so people can know by themselves what was said. I think I need to because you keep calling me a liar about it. I think if people are talking, they need to know what they are talking about. That is all I will do or say here about all this from now on.
Just so you know you told another lie too.
In your last post you said this:
but I didn't say anything about you hiring attorneys.
Which in fact is another lie. Earlier you said this:
I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out,
What discussion are you reffering too? If you are reffering to the discussion between me and Trent then by all means post it! It won't prove half the stuff your spouting off.
Are you willing to admit that you have not seen the "whole conversation" as you claim?
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Alex, Why are you calling me a liar and subhuman? That is what I was afraid of and why I wasn't posting here before. I am not trying to be mean to you. It's just I do know Trent. I don't know why what I said about him made you mad at me. It is true I do think, but not too much I think. ;) I did not remember right about the door part. I am very sorry. You told him you got called by a reporter. Maybe you are right that why you hired attorneys is not my business, but I didn't say anything about you hiring attorneys. I don't like being called a liar when I am not lying. I did read the whole discussion. I didn't get it from Trent or talk to him about this. I was asking somebody else I know about all this and they answered the questions they knew about. They gave me a copy of the discussion that's how I read it all. I will ask and see if I can post it all because they won't come here and do it. I do know you said this part that I was talking about. That shouldn't make you mad.
As far as me talking to Bob Pickle, yes, I have talked to Bob. However, not
to the extent that people think I have.
As far as the trial, I do not know much. I have not been communicated
with since the arrest. Let me say this, and it is nothing different then what
I told Brad, so I think I can say it.
I did call the detective from fair fax county two years ago. I never pressed
formal charges; actually I never pressed them at all. I had no idea that
Tommy was going to be arrested until after it happened.
I want to make that point crystal clear. That I did communicate with the
police detective, but never met her, nor did I write or file any charges or
statements to her, but the phone conversations.
I have hired attorneys, who are looking into the case, but this has been
since the charges were brought. Honestly, I was advised that it was in my
best interest to get legal counsel so that is what I did. To be honest with
you, how I learned of Tommy’s arrest was a news reporter who called me.
Like I said, I never pressed formal charges. However, I feel compelled to
cooperate with the police.
Then you need to learn how to read Mrs. Harley:
My definition of "formal charges" is what an ordinary person would consider. They never asked me if I wanted to press charges as most police agencies do. However, I gave them my statement and obviously they thought that was enough! No, at that point I had never met her (the detective) in person. Where do I say that I am going to sue the prosecutor in that? Where does it say the reporter came to my door? Does it not say that I am cooperating with law enforcement? Yes, I was unaware of Tommy's arrest until I received a few phone calls one of those being from the reporter.
Again, you say you read the whole discussion. Your lying again I know for a fact that you did not see the deleted comment Trent wrote that has since that time been recovered.
Did you get this from the same person who claims that they talked to my mother? After I had given you her information to do it yourself? If so, Mrs. Harley you need a better source of information!!
No, it was not the same person. I hope you can understand me, Alex. I am not accusing you. I am not trying to argue with you. I am sorry you are trying to do that with me. I am sorry I made you mad. I don't think it is good to try to talk when people are mad or being upset and calling names, so I won't. I am not ever going to argue with you either. I don't like that. I am still going to ask if I can post the discussion so people can know by themselves what was said. I think I need to because you keep calling me a liar about it. I think if people are talking, they need to know what they are talking about. That is all I will do or say here about all this from now on.
Just so you know you told another lie too.
In your last post you said this:
but I didn't say anything about you hiring attorneys.
Which in fact is another lie. Earlier you said this:
I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out,
I will try and explain. I was not lying. I was not talking about you hiring attorneys. I don't know if you ever saw an attorney in California. I was just told you said that is what you were going to do. I was told you said you were going to sue because your name got released. I was thinking that is how the reporter knew to contact you? If you say you didn't say these things than you say you didn't. I am not trying to argue or say to you that you are lying. I am not going to say the other people were lying either. How can I decide that. There are two different stories. That is all. I didn't know you had a different story till now. I am not going to say anything else here because it's getting worse. I can't keep trying to explain things because people keep accusing me wrong. Now Tinka is trying to argue and accuse me about things I didn't say either. About things I never said. I don't think this place or the way people talk and treat each other is good for anybody. I'm sorry I said anything at all now. I can tell that it is not wanted or needed here.
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Are you willing to admit that you have not seen the "whole conversation" as you claim?
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Now Tinka is trying to argue and accuse me about things I didn't say either. About things I never said. I don't think this place or the way people talk and treat each other is good for anybody. I'm sorry I said anything at all now. I can tell that it is not wanted or needed here.
Do you know what the word accusations mean applying to you and where do you make your statement valid when I am writing in general terms? I was speaking in general facts. This is what happens when all is presumed as in your post to Alex. You admitted all presuming of heresay instead of reading actual copies. Do you know how easy it is to rearrange a copy of something after the original?? But yet claim accusations against you!! I was simply stating that "one" cannot take people at face value. You are a total presumer. Now that is an accusation using the word "You".
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Are you willing to admit that you have not seen the "whole conversation" as you claim?
Alex I have seen the whole discussion from Facebook between you and Trent that took place in private messages back and forth. That is what I said. That is what I meant. If there was some comment somewhere else that wasn't included? Than no, I wasn't saying I saw that, because I didn't know about it. If you think it should be included? Than you should let people see it. If you wanted to, you could also show people your discussion with Trent, and what you both said. Now can you please stop being mad, and bugging me about this? I did read it, but I don't want to talk about it anymore. This is not healthy to me.
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I just want it to be clear that I never stated I was flying out to California to see an attorney about suing the prosecutor. That is a bold face lie from someone. The thing is you are just as guilty as them for repeating it, Harley.
I have hired attorneys out of California and New York and someone may end up being sued but it won't be the prosecutor.
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Jamie posted earlier Alex's responce to this that Trenton Chance said.
Trenton said:
I'm going to have to advise you to start thinking for yourself and don't let others (Pickle, etc) think for you. You don't need legal counsel. Tommy is the one who got arrested. If anything you should do your best to remove any damage you may have done and back out of this before Tommy does die at the hands of injustice.
Do you know how many thousands of people love Tommy Shelton? Do you know how many people are completely nuts of those thousands? Who knows what mess you may end up in. Lawyers want a case that can get attention and cash. It's their job. That's a no brainer. Pickle is out for blood - that... that is pure evil.
This was Alex's responce:
As I stated, I am cooperating with the police. I have no reason not too. All I can say is that yes, something did happen. I'm not sure what you are meaning by damages that I have done.
Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
I thought it to be only fair to allow everyone to see what prompted that explanation.
Sounds like a threat to me.
It doesn't sound like a threat to me because I know Trent and he isn't like that. I can't imagine him threatening anybody. I have read the whole conversation now, and that is why I think he was just trying to say all of the people who know and love Tommy can't all be crazy. I think the part about ending up in a mess was warning him to think because of all of the people here who hate Tommy and Pickle being out for blood . Alex wouldn't tell Trent what happened but was saying he never wrote a statement for the police of filed charges and didn't know about anything until a reporter came to his door. I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about. Anyway, I never met Tommy, but I do know Trent so wanted to say this. I hope I can say this and don't get called names because I took this a different way.
Well well, the return of Harley. Do you realize the Bible says we will be held accountable for every idle word? That includes what we post anonymously on internet boards.
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I just want it to be clear that I never stated I was flying out to California to see an attorney about suing the prosecutor. That is a bold face lie from someone. The thing is you are just as guilty as them for repeating it, Harley.
I have hired attorneys out of California and New York and someone may end up being sued but it won't be the prosecutor.
I told you I don't want to argue. You keep arguing. I asked you to stop bugging me and talking about it because I don't want to talk about it anymore. You keep bugging me and talking to me about it. Now you are calling me a liar again, but you left part out Alex. I said: "I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all, and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about." I was wrong and I mispoke when I said prosecutor". I am sorry! Alex what I thought I was told was that there were two different things you said at different times to your family. That is why I thought that. Here is what was said to me: "a family member stated that Alex told them that he was going to sue the detective for revealing his name as one of the victims. He also told three other family members that he was going to California to talk with a lawyer to see how he could get out of this case with Tommy Shelton and said he did not want to be involved."
I don't know why they would lie. I didn't know you were going to call your family liars until you answered. I told you I wasn't calling you a liar. I told you I am not calling them liars. I don't know!You need to talk to them. Not me! You keep calling me a liar too, and I am not a liar and I have not been lying! So I am not talking to you anymore. You can just Kiss ma grits from now on.
P.S.
I have to edit my post because I forgot. Here is all the discussion I said I read, because I did read it all. I don't lie! The person I got it from said I could post it because it will help people know who is lying about others I also got told that my coming here was wrong. It was, because I just feel hate here. So I am leaving again, and I will try not to even read here like I did before.
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It doesn't sound like a threat to me because I know Trent and he isn't like that. I can't imagine him threatening anybody. I have read the whole conversation now, and that is why I think he was just trying to say all of the people who know and love Tommy can't all be crazy. I think the part about ending up in a mess was warning him to think because of all of the people here who hate Tommy and Pickle being out for blood . Alex wouldn't tell Trent what happened but was saying he never wrote a statement for the police of filed charges and didn't know about anything until a reporter came to his door. I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about. Anyway, I never met Tommy, but I do know Trent so wanted to say this. I hope I can say this and don't get called names because I took this a different way.
Well well, the return of Harley. Do you realize the Bible says we will be held accountable for every idle word? That includes what we post anonymously on internet boards.
It also includes your every idle word, Duane Clem. It includes every sharp tongued insult and personal attack and all the mean name calling and bitter judgments you post here and say elsewhere against others.
I am sure you realize the bible says this also:
Psa 15:
A psalm of David. Who may worship in your sanctuary, Lord? Who may enter your presence on your holy hill?
Those who lead blameless lives and do what is right, speaking the truth from sincere hearts.
Those who refuse to slander others or harm their neighbors or speak evil of their friends.
Those who despise persistent sinners, and honor the faithful followers of the Lord and keep their promises even when it hurts.
Those who do not charge interest on the money they lend, and who refuse to accept bribes to testify against the innocent. Such people will stand firm forever. .
Ps 64
1
O God, listen to my complaint.
Do not let my enemies' threats overwhelm me.
2
Protect me from the plots of the wicked,
from the scheming of those who do evil.
3
Sharp tongues are the swords they wield;
bitter words are the arrows they aim.
4
They shoot from ambush at the innocent,
attacking suddenly and fearlessly.
5
They encourage each other to do evil
and plan how to set their traps.
"Who will ever notice?" they ask.
6
As they plot their crimes, they say,
"We have devised the perfect plan!"
Yes, the human heart and mind are cunning.
7
But God himself will shoot them down.
Suddenly, his arrows will pierce them.
8
Their own words will be turned against them, destroying them.
All who see it happening will shake their heads in scorn.
9
Then everyone will stand in awe,
proclaiming the mighty acts of God,
realizing all the amazing things he does.
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It doesn't sound like a threat to me because I know Trent and he isn't like that. I can't imagine him threatening anybody. I have read the whole conversation now, and that is why I think he was just trying to say all of the people who know and love Tommy can't all be crazy. I think the part about ending up in a mess was warning him to think because of all of the people here who hate Tommy and Pickle being out for blood . Alex wouldn't tell Trent what happened but was saying he never wrote a statement for the police of filed charges and didn't know about anything until a reporter came to his door. I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about. Anyway, I never met Tommy, but I do know Trent so wanted to say this. I hope I can say this and don't get called names because I took this a different way.
Well well, the return of Harley. Do you realize the Bible says we will be held accountable for every idle word? That includes what we post anonymously on internet boards.
It also includes your every idle word, Duane Clem. It includes every sharp tongued insult and personal attack and all the mean name calling and bitter judgments you post here and say elsewhere against others.
I am sure you realize the bible says this also:
Psa 15:
A psalm of David. Who may worship in your sanctuary, Lord? Who may enter your presence on your holy hill?
Those who lead blameless lives and do what is right, speaking the truth from sincere hearts.
Those who refuse to slander others or harm their neighbors or speak evil of their friends.
Those who despise persistent sinners, and honor the faithful followers of the Lord and keep their promises even when it hurts.
Those who do not charge interest on the money they lend, and who refuse to accept bribes to testify against the innocent. Such people will stand firm forever. .
Ps 64
1
O God, listen to my complaint.
Do not let my enemies' threats overwhelm me.
2
Protect me from the plots of the wicked,
from the scheming of those who do evil.
3
Sharp tongues are the swords they wield;
bitter words are the arrows they aim.
4
They shoot from ambush at the innocent,
attacking suddenly and fearlessly.
5
They encourage each other to do evil
and plan how to set their traps.
"Who will ever notice?" they ask.
6
As they plot their crimes, they say,
"We have devised the perfect plan!"
Yes, the human heart and mind are cunning.
7
But God himself will shoot them down.
Suddenly, his arrows will pierce them.
8
Their own words will be turned against them, destroying them.
All who see it happening will shake their heads in scorn.
9
Then everyone will stand in awe,
proclaiming the mighty acts of God,
realizing all the amazing things he does.
I think you need that passage more than most. The lies you have told will not be forgotten by God.
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I think we all need to step back and pray before before we make our comments on any statements made. I know I am outsider and I don't have the emotional involvement that all of you do,but I have noticed that sometimes the comments are taken out of context and then everyone gets angry. I know some of those from the other side can be nasty, but maybe some are actually trying to make sense out of this mess too, just like we are. This is trully a mess that we all have to wonder why God allowed it to happen in the first place and allowed it to continue as long as it did.
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Let the church say....... AAAAAAMEN! Thank you mrst53! I glad I am not the only one.
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I just want it to be clear that I never stated I was flying out to California to see an attorney about suing the prosecutor. That is a bold face lie from someone. The thing is you are just as guilty as them for repeating it, Harley.
I have hired attorneys out of California and New York and someone may end up being sued but it won't be the prosecutor.
I told you I don't want to argue. You keep arguing. I asked you to stop bugging me and talking about it because I don't want to talk about it anymore. You keep bugging me and talking to me about it. Now you are calling me a liar again, but you left part out Alex. I said: "I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all, and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about." I was wrong and I mispoke when I said prosecutor". I am sorry! Alex what I thought I was told was that there were two different things you said at different times to your family. That is why I thought that. Here is what was said to me: "a family member stated that Alex told them that he was going to sue the detective for revealing his name as one of the victims. He also told three other family members that he was going to California to talk with a lawyer to see how he could get out of this case with Tommy Shelton and said he did not want to be involved."
I don't know why they would lie. I didn't know you were going to call your family liars until you answered. I told you I wasn't calling you a liar. I told you I am not calling them liars. I don't know!You need to talk to them. Not me! You keep calling me a liar too, and I am not a liar and I have not been lying! So I am not talking to you anymore. You can just Kiss ma grits from now on.
P.S.
I have to edit my post because I forgot. Here is all the discussion I said I read, because I did read it all. I don't lie! The person I got it from said I could post it because it will help people know who is lying about others I also got told that my coming here was wrong. It was, because I just feel hate here. So I am leaving again, and I will try not to even read here like I did before.
If you are still reading, I would like to apologize to you, Harley. I am sorry for what you just went through. It's always been hard to try and discuss anything here and so I especially appreciated your efforts to try and be patient and your attempts to explain in the face of so much misunderstanding and mis communication and downright evil judgments and assumption (Nods in Tinka's direction and Alex and Clem) ) I also understand how our patience can run out even though we may express that a bit differently. (lol) Thank you for posting the Facebook file. Please go with God, and may he bless you and lead you.
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Thank You and hopefully this will be all over soon and peace to all concerned.
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Thank You and hopefully this will be all over soon and peace to all concerned.
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Here is all the discussion I said I read, because I did read it all.
Harley, notice that the first FaceBook message in the PDF you attached to your post refers to comments Trent had already made. Trent neglected to give you those comments. You might want to ask him why.
Secondly, you have posted publicly the false, defamatory statements that Trent made about me. I object to the dissemination of those false statements. They constitute defamation per se, in my opinion. Please delete those comments, and ask Trent to apologize and make amends. It is really stupid for Sheltons to make such false, defamatory statements in the middle of litigation.
Third, Trent stated:
All I see is fear - fear that the case will be hampered by you speaking the truth instead of speaking exactly what they tell you to speak. That's sad.
I know how it works... been there
What does that mean? Has Trent been in trouble with the law? Or does this refer to his mother's involvement with eBay and a possible IRS criminal investigation into that involvement?
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I think we all need to step back and pray before before we make our comments on any statements made. I know I am outsider and I don't have the emotional involvement that all of you do,but I have noticed that sometimes the comments are taken out of context and then everyone gets angry. I know some of those from the other side can be nasty, but maybe some are actually trying to make sense out of this mess too, just like we are. This is trully a mess that we all have to wonder why God allowed it to happen in the first place and allowed it to continue as long as it did.
I certainly don't appreciate the efforts by the Danny clones to smear the victims of admitted pedophile Tommy Shelton, but I do think we should refrain from calling people subhuman garbage.
Since Jesus referred to Herod as being "that fox," a term like that might be permissible.
Intentionally making a false statement would be telling a lie. I don't think an honest mistake qualifies.
"Be ye angry and sin not." So we should be cautious when we feel hot and bothered.
But even if a victim or a victim's friend uses injudicious words, that does not justify the efforts of the Danny clones to paint the victims as being liars or unchristian.
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Please delete those comments, and ask Trent to apologize and make amends.
Alternatively, rather than delete those comments, Trent can come here and retract what he said.
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If you are still reading, I would like to apologize to you, Harley. I am sorry for what you just went through. It's always been hard to try and discuss anything here and so I especially appreciated your efforts to try and be patient and your attempts to explain in the face of so much misunderstanding and mis communication and downright evil judgments and assumption (Nods in Tinka's direction and Alex and Clem) ) I also understand how our patience can run out even though we may express that a bit differently. (lol) Thank you for posting the Facebook file. Please go with God, and may he bless you and lead you.
LOL
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It is readily apparent that Trent persistently was trying to get Alex to tell him what happened. Why? I do not recall asking Tommy's victims to tell me in detail exactly what Tommy did. Is it normal for someone to ask such questions as Trent asked?
I think Trent was working for someone, that someone was getting him to try to get Alex to drop charges, and to try to get Alex's story in detail. Who could that someone be?
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I just want it to be clear that I never stated I was flying out to California to see an attorney about suing the prosecutor. That is a bold face lie from someone. The thing is you are just as guilty as them for repeating it, Harley.
I have hired attorneys out of California and New York and someone may end up being sued but it won't be the prosecutor.
I told you I don't want to argue. You keep arguing. I asked you to stop bugging me and talking about it because I don't want to talk about it anymore. You keep bugging me and talking to me about it. Now you are calling me a liar again, but you left part out Alex. I said: "I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all, and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about." I was wrong and I mispoke when I said prosecutor". I am sorry! Alex what I thought I was told was that there were two different things you said at different times to your family. That is why I thought that. Here is what was said to me: "a family member stated that Alex told them that he was going to sue the detective for revealing his name as one of the victims. He also told three other family members that he was going to California to talk with a lawyer to see how he could get out of this case with Tommy Shelton and said he did not want to be involved."
I don't know why they would lie. I didn't know you were going to call your family liars until you answered. I told you I wasn't calling you a liar. I told you I am not calling them liars. I don't know!You need to talk to them. Not me! You keep calling me a liar too, and I am not a liar and I have not been lying! So I am not talking to you anymore. You can just Kiss ma grits from now on.
P.S.
I have to edit my post because I forgot. Here is all the discussion I said I read, because I did read it all. I don't lie! The person I got it from said I could post it because it will help people know who is lying about others I also got told that my coming here was wrong. It was, because I just feel hate here. So I am leaving again, and I will try not to even read here like I did before.
I do not at all appreciate that being posted with it including my photo. You could have at least edited that out!! Again this conversation does not prove most of what you claim. Your information is based on hearsay you yourself admit that.
You claim my family said those lies. Prove it then. You have already admited that you never contacted them even after I made their information available to you. You keep saying "I think" or "I was told."
Even if I did say those things, which I did not, what impact does that really have at all? None. Now if you could find where I have said I was never molested by Tommy and I was only out for money as some have mentioned then you have some fighting room.
The truth is you cannot find such a thing. I have told the truth and whether you choose to believe it or not will not cause me to lose sleep at night.
Harley you interjected yourself and opened your own self to criticizm when you posted down right lies. If you expected doing so would not result in a response from me; You was wrong.
It is readily apparent that Trent persistently was trying to get Alex to tell him what happened. Why? I do not recall asking Tommy's victims to tell me in detail exactly what Tommy did. Is it normal for someone to ask such questions as Trent asked?
I think Trent was working for someone, that someone was getting him to try to get Alex to drop charges, and to try to get Alex's story in detail. Who could that someone be?
You are correct, Bob. You did not.
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You may not see the point immediately, but this discussion reminds me of a conversation I had several years ago with a black friend of mine. He startled me by saying something like this,
- If you really want to hurt your black friends then get up in the pulpit and say, "I just love the black people!"
Like it did with me it may take you a while to understand this. So I leave it at that.
In this discussion some who consider themselves sober thinkers with hearts filled with love for humanity may have done the same thing to victims. . . I leave it at that for now.
Some years back I got hold of the book WHEN LOVE HURTS.
I think we all need to step back and pray before before we make our comments on any statements made. I know I am outsider and I don't have the emotional involvement that all of you do,but I have noticed that sometimes the comments are taken out of context and then everyone gets angry. I know some of those from the other side can be nasty, but maybe some are actually trying to make sense out of this mess too, just like we are. This is trully a mess that we all have to wonder why God allowed it to happen in the first place and allowed it to continue as long as it did.
I certainly don't appreciate the efforts by the Danny clones to smear the victims of admitted pedophile Tommy Shelton, but I do think we should refrain from calling people subhuman garbage.
Since Jesus referred to Herod as being "that fox," a term like that might be permissible.
Intentionally making a false statement would be telling a lie. I don't think an honest mistake qualifies.
"Be ye angry and sin not." So we should be cautious when we feel hot and bothered.
But even if a victim or a victim's friend uses injudicious words, that does not justify the efforts of the Danny clones to paint the victims as being liars or unchristian.
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I just want it to be clear that I never stated I was flying out to California to see an attorney about suing the prosecutor. That is a bold face lie from someone. The thing is you are just as guilty as them for repeating it, Harley.
I have hired attorneys out of California and New York and someone may end up being sued but it won't be the prosecutor.
I told you I don't want to argue. You keep arguing. I asked you to stop bugging me and talking about it because I don't want to talk about it anymore. You keep bugging me and talking to me about it. Now you are calling me a liar again, but you left part out Alex. I said: "I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all, and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about." I was wrong and I mispoke when I said prosecutor". I am sorry! Alex what I thought I was told was that there were two different things you said at different times to your family. That is why I thought that. Here is what was said to me: "a family member stated that Alex told them that he was going to sue the detective for revealing his name as one of the victims. He also told three other family members that he was going to California to talk with a lawyer to see how he could get out of this case with Tommy Shelton and said he did not want to be involved."
I don't know why they would lie. I didn't know you were going to call your family liars until you answered. I told you I wasn't calling you a liar. I told you I am not calling them liars. I don't know!You need to talk to them. Not me! You keep calling me a liar too, and I am not a liar and I have not been lying! So I am not talking to you anymore. You can just Kiss ma grits from now on.
P.S.
I have to edit my post because I forgot. Here is all the discussion I said I read, because I did read it all. I don't lie! The person I got it from said I could post it because it will help people know who is lying about others I also got told that my coming here was wrong. It was, because I just feel hate here. So I am leaving again, and I will try not to even read here like I did before.
If you are still reading, I would like to apologize to you, Harley. I am sorry for what you just went through. It's always been hard to try and discuss anything here and so I especially appreciated your efforts to try and be patient and your attempts to explain in the face of so much misunderstanding and mis communication and downright evil judgments and assumption (Nods in Tinka's direction and Alex and Clem) ) I also understand how our patience can run out even though we may express that a bit differently. (lol) Thank you for posting the Facebook file. Please go with God, and may he bless you and lead you.
Really? Where is the appology to Duane, Roger, the other victim in Virginia, and myself for your sides false assumptions and evil judgements?
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I think we all need to step back and pray before before we make our comments on any statements made. I know I am outsider and I don't have the emotional involvement that all of you do,but I have noticed that sometimes the comments are taken out of context and then everyone gets angry. I know some of those from the other side can be nasty, but maybe some are actually trying to make sense out of this mess too, just like we are. This is trully a mess that we all have to wonder why God allowed it to happen in the first place and allowed it to continue as long as it did.
I certainly don't appreciate the efforts by the Danny clones to smear the victims of admitted pedophile Tommy Shelton, but I do think we should refrain from calling people subhuman garbage.
Since Jesus referred to Herod as being "that fox," a term like that might be permissible.
Intentionally making a false statement would be telling a lie. I don't think an honest mistake qualifies.
"Be ye angry and sin not." So we should be cautious when we feel hot and bothered.
But even if a victim or a victim's friend uses injudicious words, that does not justify the efforts of the Danny clones to paint the victims as being liars or unchristian.
I will try to refrain from using that term. My point is these people are attacking me anonymously meaning they have no identity. In my view that is less than human.
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Jamie posted earlier Alex's responce to this that Trenton Chance said.
Trenton said:
I'm going to have to advise you to start thinking for yourself and don't let others (Pickle, etc) think for you. You don't need legal counsel. Tommy is the one who got arrested. If anything you should do your best to remove any damage you may have done and back out of this before Tommy does die at the hands of injustice.
Do you know how many thousands of people love Tommy Shelton? Do you know how many people are completely nuts of those thousands? Who knows what mess you may end up in. Lawyers want a case that can get attention and cash. It's their job. That's a no brainer. Pickle is out for blood - that... that is pure evil.
This was Alex's responce:
As I stated, I am cooperating with the police. I have no reason not too. All I can say is that yes, something did happen. I'm not sure what you are meaning by damages that I have done.
Yes, I do realize that Tommy is loved by many. Like I also stated, I do not communicate with Bob on a regular basis.
I thought it to be only fair to allow everyone to see what prompted that explanation.
Sounds like a threat to me.
It doesn't sound like a threat to me because I know Trent and he isn't like that. I can't imagine him threatening anybody. I have read the whole conversation now, and that is why I think he was just trying to say all of the people who know and love Tommy can't all be crazy. I think the part about ending up in a mess was warning him to think because of all of the people here who hate Tommy and Pickle being out for blood . Alex wouldn't tell Trent what happened but was saying he never wrote a statement for the police of filed charges and didn't know about anything until a reporter came to his door. I think Alex said to someone that he was going to see a lawyer in California and try to get out of it all and was going to sue the prosecutor for giving his name out, so that is the mess Trent was trying to talk about. Anyway, I never met Tommy, but I do know Trent so wanted to say this. I hope I can say this and don't get called names because I took this a different way.
My first impression of you was dead wrong. I thought you was a person who was just trying to figure out things like many here. You have proven yourself to be no better than Cindy, 3D, Sam, and the rest of Danny's regime.
You have chosen your agenda, and you like the other regime members have already came to your own conclusions. No need to even try to persuade you of anything anymore. Hasta la vista!!
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And he was soooo right, Johann, that and "I have friends who are black " when accused of being racist...........tips us off to the real motives each and everytime!!
You may not see the point immediately, but this discussion reminds me of a conversation I had several years ago with a black friend of mine. He startled me by saying something like this,
- If you really want to hurt your black friends then get up in the pulpit and say, "I just love the black people!"
Like it did with me it may take you a while to understand this. So I leave it at that.
In this discussion some who consider themselves sober thinkers with hearts filled with love for humanity may have done the same thing to victims. . . I leave it at that for now.
Some years back I got hold of the book WHEN LOVE HURTS.
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And he was soooo right, Johann, that and "I have friends who are black " when accused of being racist...........tips us off to the real motives each and everytime!!
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And he was soooo right, Johann, that and "I have friends who are black " when accused of being racist...........tips us off to the real motives each and everytime!!
You may not see the point immediately, but this discussion reminds me of a conversation I had several years ago with a black friend of mine. He startled me by saying something like this,
- If you really want to hurt your black friends then get up in the pulpit and say, "I just love the black people!"
Like it did with me it may take you a while to understand this. So I leave it at that.
In this discussion some who consider themselves sober thinkers with hearts filled with love for humanity may have done the same thing to victims. . . I leave it at that for now.
Some years back I got hold of the book WHEN LOVE HURTS.
Oddly enough, I have a former pastor that used to do just that. If there were black people in the congregation, he would make it a point to say how "great it is to have our black friends with us" today. His wife is just as bad about it, only she would do it while teaching in children's church.
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And he was soooo right, Johann, that and "I have friends who are black " when accused of being racist...........tips us off to the real motives each and everytime!!
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Is that a representation of Danny and Linda??
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Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that's why I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....
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The Penquins are my husband pushing me into the water and my husband laughing about it :ROFL:
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Oh O, Mrst53 time to reverse that a little with some cool strategies. :cat:
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Harley, Pat, Jamie,
It shouldn't take this long for Trent to come here and retract the false, defamatory statements he made. What's going on?
Who was Trent working for when he asked Alex those questions? Tommy, Danny, one of their lawyers, who?
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Wow, where is the evidence and proof to acompany the insults and accusations? As usual there is none. Every time I think it can't get worse it does.... and no one here appears to care or object.... it's hateful and pathetic., but you all seem to think the ends justify the means, They don't! It only gets uglier and uglier here, and that's why I have to leave here for good. wipe.. wipe... and walking away, sadly-- but in a determined and convicted mode....
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I have been told that Carol Shelton, wife of Tommy, is suppose to go in next week and have a pace maker put in. Remember her in your prayers.
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I have been told that Carol Shelton, wife of Tommy, is suppose to go in next week and have a pace maker put in. Remember her in your prayers.
:amen:
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
They sure did.
"Ugly" is a Southern Illinois term? I wasn't aware of that.
I didn't realize I used the word so often, so out of curiosity I did a search of my own posts here, and found that indeed I have used that word a lot. I have used it in 6 different posts here on the following dates and times. It would appear that I drew your notice here because I did so twice this month...
January 28, 2009, 08:22:07 AM
August 21, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
December 10, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
June 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
July 09, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
July 26, 2010, 05:13:46 PM
Would both of you do me a favor, and mark Tommy and Carol off your list of possible identities? I am neither of them, and doubt either of them would ever come here as it is all so ugly. (:o I said it again! I will have to work on that.)
Shabbat Shalom to both of you.
I have been told that Gerri Lynn and Valerie Shelton use that alot too. HMM Maybe Sam isn't Brad, but you are?
This is stupid. Many people use the word ugly alot, it is a common English adjective. Google results: About 80,400,000 results (0.17 seconds)
As far as I know Brad doesn't post here and never has. Brad doesn't believe Alex, but he is his brother and Alex knows him and should know better than that. Now stop phishing as I am not going to answer any more of your questions, nor posts in regards to identities of posters.
In my opinion, which I am entitled to, you are not helping Alex at all with your posts here, especially when you keep lying, such as when you said in support of Bob Pickle's accusations of witness tampering:
"I can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented."
That was a bold faced lie.
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false. Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him. That is what I was referring to when I said to Bob Pickle " More details in the next post." *********************
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I just read this part of what Pat Williams said. It is the above portion that is in blue.
Pat, why would I lie about my own cousins names? I do in fact have a cousin by marriage who's name is Jamie Smith. My aunts daughters name is also Pat Williams. If you do not believe me ask your confident Brad. If he says no, then that proves he is in fact a liar.
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I was just rereading that bilge from Facebook and noticed something. Trent referred to me as "Clem." Know of anyone else who calls me that? I won't mention any names, but their initials are Jamie Smith.
Now he'll have to get someone else to sign in as Jamie Smith and say they're not Trent.
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.......And they were both just all the way wrong......racist to their po' little white hearts. God bless 'em. They just could not help it! LOL!!!
Oddly enough, I have a former pastor that used to do just that. If there were black people in the congregation, he would make it a point to say how "great it is to have our black friends with us" today. His wife is just as bad about it, only she would do it while teaching in children's church.
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I don't know, Snoop. Do they say that all the time. Well, I have heard Danny say crazy things.......and I also have it on good authority that they regular use racist names.
The thing is you just talk about your friends. Not my black friend, Jewish friend, Hispanic/Mexican friend. A frien is a friend. If you are in a position where you have to differeniate your friends by race/cultures, that is really problematic. I never make that distinction when talking about my friends.
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Is that a representation of Danny and Linda??
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.......And they were both just all the way wrong......racist to their po' little white hearts. God bless 'em. They just could not help it! LOL!!!
I know. It was almost as if they were thinking, "I'd better mention that these people are black. Someone might not notice." ;D
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LOL!!! :ROFL:
I know. It was almost as if they were thinking, "I'd better mention that these people are black. Someone might not notice." ;D
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To do that just shows their ignorance. I would never do that! because that is what I yell about from both sides. Forget the "color coding" Blood is all the same. , fight the same, patriots the same, Americans the same. At least we Americans are not called the "wild ones". and we better be in this together folks.
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Exactly. I've been to several black churches, and not once has someone said, "Well, it's good to have one of our white friends here today." LOL
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I seem to remember someone in my family being at an evangelistic meeting where the evangelist pointed out that there was a little salt amidst all the pepper.
I wouldn't take offense if a black preacher said that.
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I seem to remember someone in my family being at an evangelistic meeting where the evangelist pointed out that there was a little salt amidst all the pepper.
I wouldn't take offense if a black preacher said that.
I wouldn't take offense to it, I just think it's senseless.
I have an uncle who is full blooded Mexican. I never introduce him as my "Mexican uncle." He's just my uncle. I have friends who are Black, Hispanic, Asian, Australian, Canadian, etc. They're just my friends. They don't need adjectives.
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I visited the other site and posed the question about Tommy's health since they seem to know about him and I have yet to get a reply. Guess they don't know about his health or they think I am a spy for this site. All I wanted to do was pray for him. Guess they don't trust me. Maybe I need to call Pastor Wood and see if he knows.
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I visited the other site and posed the question about Tommy's health since they seem to know about him and I have yet to get a reply. Guess they don't know about his health or they think I am a spy for this site. All I wanted to do was pray for him. Guess they don't trust me. Maybe I need to call Pastor Wood and see if he knows.
I registered for an account over there a week ago. They have refused to accept it. I have been told they did the same thing to Duane. They say their site is "un-bias" but they won't allow people who disagree with them to state their opinions.
This is the email I received:
Your account is currently inactive and will need to be approved by anadministrator before you can log in. Another email will be sent when thishad occured. Your password has been securely stored in our database and cannot beretrieved. In the event that it is forgotten, you will be able to reset itusing the email address associated with your account. Thank you for registering.
I have never received the second email. :-\Oh, well!
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Alex,
I don't know, they don't reply very often to posts, so maybe they haven't gotten back to looking at your email...., but then again.. maybe not... they don't usually have any replies to what I say, except for Cindy. What you recieved was my next to last email before I was accepted... maybe you will still be accepted..... but don't hold your breath.........
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I used to shop at a grocery store that employed a "coupon nazi". She evidently didn't have much of a life outside of her job at the store. Her whole identity seemed to be wrapped up in what little authority she had there. If you were on her "good list" she would bend the rules for you. If she didn't like you she could be very spiteful.
That store is no longer in business. But I learned a lesson by shopping there. Some people don't play fair.
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These sectarian cult leaders are not bound by federal, state or local laws. At least they don't believe they are. A cult leader will surround themself with people who tell them what they want to hear and agree with their statements and actions without question. A cult leader knows themself to be exempt from laws. They also think and believe themselves to be immune from ever being charged of a crime.
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
They sure did.
"Ugly" is a Southern Illinois term? I wasn't aware of that.
I didn't realize I used the word so often, so out of curiosity I did a search of my own posts here, and found that indeed I have used that word a lot. I have used it in 6 different posts here on the following dates and times. It would appear that I drew your notice here because I did so twice this month...
January 28, 2009, 08:22:07 AM
August 21, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
December 10, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
June 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
July 09, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
July 26, 2010, 05:13:46 PM
Would both of you do me a favor, and mark Tommy and Carol off your list of possible identities? I am neither of them, and doubt either of them would ever come here as it is all so ugly. (:o I said it again! I will have to work on that.)
Shabbat Shalom to both of you.
I have been told that Gerri Lynn and Valerie Shelton use that alot too. HMM Maybe Sam isn't Brad, but you are?
This is stupid. Many people use the word ugly alot, it is a common English adjective. Google results: About 80,400,000 results (0.17 seconds)
As far as I know Brad doesn't post here and never has. Brad doesn't believe Alex, but he is his brother and Alex knows him and should know better than that. Now stop phishing as I am not going to answer any more of your questions, nor posts in regards to identities of posters.
In my opinion, which I am entitled to, you are not helping Alex at all with your posts here, especially when you keep lying, such as when you said in support of Bob Pickle's accusations of witness tampering:
"I can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented."
That was a bold faced lie.
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false. Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him. That is what I was referring to when I said to Bob Pickle " More details in the next post." *********************
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I just read this part of what Pat Williams said. It is the above portion that is in blue.
Pat, why would I lie about my own cousins names? I do in fact have a cousin by marriage who's name is Jamie Smith. My aunts daughters name is also Pat Williams. If you do not believe me ask your confident Brad. If he says no, then that proves he is in fact a liar.
Why would you lie? Many reasons are possible..who knows why... INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT REMOVED. YOU WILL KEEP A CIVIL TONGUE IN YOUR MOUTH OR YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK HERE AGAIN. POSTER BANNED. but the main question for me here is why are you quoting a post by Adam and getting all bent out of shape about being called a liar? He said it not you, right?
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I was just rereading that bilge from Facebook and noticed something. Trent referred to me as "Clem." Know of anyone else who calls me that? I won't mention any names, but their initials are Jamie Smith.
Now he'll have to get someone else to sign in as Jamie Smith and say they're not Trent.
Uh, no.. You are confused and off base AGAIN. That is what happened with adam and Alex...
Move along people, nothing to see...
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I was just rereading that bilge from Facebook and noticed something. Trent referred to me as "Clem." Know of anyone else who calls me that? I won't mention any names, but their initials are Jamie Smith.
Now he'll have to get someone else to sign in as Jamie Smith and say they're not Trent.
Uh, no.. You are confused and off base AGAIN. That is what happened with adam and Alex...
Move along people, nothing to see...
Having delusions of relevancy again, Jamie?
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BTW, Pat, I find it strange that two of you changed your names to Alex's Cousin's names.
Alex has a cousin named Patty Williams, and Jamie Smith.
Speaking for myself. IF that is true, and I am sorry, but I doubt that it is, but IF that is true, then I wasn't aware of that. I can assure you I was not named after Alex' cousin.
Well to be honest you have to save your edits for them to take effect.
I noticed that "Pat" uses the word ugly a lot. Maybe that is a Southern IL term, but I know that CS and TS used to use that word quite often.
They sure did.
"Ugly" is a Southern Illinois term? I wasn't aware of that.
I didn't realize I used the word so often, so out of curiosity I did a search of my own posts here, and found that indeed I have used that word a lot. I have used it in 6 different posts here on the following dates and times. It would appear that I drew your notice here because I did so twice this month...
January 28, 2009, 08:22:07 AM
August 21, 2009, 12:43:55 PM
December 10, 2009, 08:50:26 PM
June 03, 2010, 03:28:19 PM
July 09, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
July 26, 2010, 05:13:46 PM
Would both of you do me a favor, and mark Tommy and Carol off your list of possible identities? I am neither of them, and doubt either of them would ever come here as it is all so ugly. (:o I said it again! I will have to work on that.)
Shabbat Shalom to both of you.
I have been told that Gerri Lynn and Valerie Shelton use that alot too. HMM Maybe Sam isn't Brad, but you are?
This is stupid. Many people use the word ugly alot, it is a common English adjective. Google results: About 80,400,000 results (0.17 seconds)
As far as I know Brad doesn't post here and never has. Brad doesn't believe Alex, but he is his brother and Alex knows him and should know better than that. Now stop phishing as I am not going to answer any more of your questions, nor posts in regards to identities of posters.
In my opinion, which I am entitled to, you are not helping Alex at all with your posts here, especially when you keep lying, such as when you said in support of Bob Pickle's accusations of witness tampering:
"I can testify to the fact that everyone of those people have tried to contact Alex. And everything has been documented."
That was a bold faced lie.
Yes, one conversation was and is documented, and that's how I know Pickle's witness tampering allegations are 100% false. Two of the other people he is accusing and libeling, who you are claiming you can testify about, and are further saying that there is documentation about have never talked to Alex ever, or even tried to contact him. That is what I was referring to when I said to Bob Pickle " More details in the next post." *********************
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I just read this part of what Pat Williams said. It is the above portion that is in blue.
Pat, why would I lie about my own cousins names? I do in fact have a cousin by marriage who's name is Jamie Smith. My aunts daughters name is also Pat Williams. If you do not believe me ask your confident Brad. If he says no, then that proves he is in fact a liar.
Why would you lie? Many reasons are possible..who knows why... INAPPROPRIATE CONTENT REMOVED. YOU WILL KEEP A CIVIL TONGUE IN YOUR MOUTH OR YOU WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK HERE AGAIN. POSTER BANNED. but the main question for me here is why are you quoting a post by Adam and getting all bent out of shape about being called a liar? He said it not you, right?
You are stupid. Yes I wrote it. He was quoting a post about what Pat Williams said, you twit.
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BTW Jamie, haven't you heard? Tommy admitted it. He said he's guilty. He AGREES with Alex and the other victim. He says they're right.
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Jamie Smith I was told about your slanderous comment that has been edited out. I am not going to sit quiet and let a coward like you post such filth. Be advised that any more comments such as that will be dealt with swiftly and appropriately in accordance with state and federal laws. That is not a threat; that is a promise. Watch and see....
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Sybil,
Are you sure your other one shouldn't be posting here. I finally went back into some old threads, just to see who Cindi really is. Yep, thats enough to really shake your boat to float. I see the minute someone does not answer your intimidating, and threatening advise and tautings you get "rolling" down the same hill. Try your other character. The problem you get into is changing which one to open with and which one to end with. You still need :help: as I see your mother can't do it.
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Sybil! LOL!!! Ooops! Sorry! now, now, Tinka. Is that nice?
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lol, Di, it is not nice what they do on here at all. I really do not get the feeling that these defenders are even stable enough to figure out what is for real. There stuff is so confusing that their confusion is confusioned :ROFL:....
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Now, the folks at this site and their supporters say that many of them are annonymouse because they are afriad of Danny's retribution.............LOL!!!....oooops!..........sorry! So, what is the excuse for the other side? Danny must be please as punch with them.
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lol,
somebody pm me as I do not know what I missed. lol, it must have been bad .
Hope it isn't over my made up words that I like to do now and then...
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......and PM me, too. Now that it is gone, I can't for the life of me remember what I typed. LOL!!!
Seriously, though, if it was against policy, I do apologize.
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The worst of crimes are crimes against children. Tommy Shelton is the worst of offenders. Let's all pray that his sentence matches the severity of his crime. Pray that Jesus give wisdom to judge and jury that can keep other children safer by permanently imprisoning this hater of youth and innocence.
Pray also that the people who have tried to subvert justice can be exposed for their cruelty and callousness.
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Horsethief, The depth of your feelings make me wonder if you are another victim or the parent of a victim.
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The worst of crimes are crimes against children. Tommy Shelton is the worst of offenders. Let's all pray that his sentence matches the severity of his crime. Pray that Jesus give wisdom to judge and jury that can keep other children safer by permanently imprisoning this hater of youth and innocence.
Pray also that the people who have tried to subvert justice can be exposed for their cruelty and callousness.
:TY: :goodpost: :praying:
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You have a good point, COTK. One that is still very hurt and extremely angry. I will definitely also keep them in myh prayers.
Horsethief, The depth of your feelings make me wonder if you are another victim or the parent of a victim.
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Anyone here recall how Danny Shelton back around 1999/2000 was showering attention upon his 2nd cousin named Crystal who was 17, 18 years old?
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Anyone here recall how Danny Shelton back around 1999/2000 was showering attention upon his 2nd cousin named Crystal who was 17, 18 years old?
You mean the one he gave a car for services rendered. Interesting how he explained that to Linda...
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Anyone here recall how Danny Shelton back around 1999/2000 was showering attention upon his 2nd cousin named Crystal who was 17, 18 years old?
You mean the one he gave a car for services rendered...
Exd 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 21:8 ... all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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That was mentioned Horsethief,
Can you bring the rest to light? or state the facts of it?
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Exd 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Rev 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 21:8 ... all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Remember that the next time you talk about Alex.
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You have a good point, COTK. One that is still very hurt and extremely angry. I will definitely also keep them in myh prayers.
If so, it's totally understandable. I can tell you from experience that it's not something you can easily deal with.
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OK... If I go down that road then it takes us off topic and then we'll never get back to it. Fact does remain that Danny Shelton has condoned and endorsed the behavior of his older brother by trying to subvert justice. A fact which has now got him named in civil litigation.
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OK... If I go down that road then it takes us off topic and then we'll never get back to it. Fact does remain that Danny Shelton has condoned and endorsed the behavior of his older brother by trying to subvert justice. A fact which has now got him named in civil litigation.
The day of reckoning is finally at hand! Won't be long! ;D
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Yes, totally understandable. It is part of the process. I am praying that they don't get stuck at the anger stage, and move, in God's time, to forgiveness.....for their own sake.
Horsethief, families of the offenders are often in just as much denial as the offender themselves. Just like any other addiction, family members can be the offenders most reliable enablers. It is sad, because when this happens, no one(victims, offenders, families) do not receive the healing and restoration needed.
*****ALSO, I want to state that by forgiveness, I dont' mean that we forget or even condone in any way TS actions. But the forgiveness of God. He acknowledges our sins, does not condone them, we even still have to suffer the natural consequences that our sins bring with them, but chose to forgive us......"while we were yet in our sins"*****
If so, it's totally understandable. I can tell you from experience that it's not something you can easily deal with.
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"Life is not accountable to us.
We are accountable to life."
Accountability will soon be in the forefront.
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OK... If I go down that road then it takes us off topic and then we'll never get back to it. Fact does remain that Danny Shelton has condoned and endorsed the behavior of his older brother by trying to subvert justice. A fact which has now got him named in civil litigation.
Horsethief, ahaa--Maybe I sort of figured out why you might use the name of horsethief. Your stealing away the :horse: s and feed that they so long enjoyed for corruption by your knowledge as a witness of much in the whole saga of 3abn. Just a stab of in the dark but the thought came to me.
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3ABN will have to go insurance shopping after civil litigation is finished. It's highly unlikely any insurer will want to take them on after this...
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Does 3ABN have insurance that will cover this litigation?
3ABN will have to go insurance shopping after civil litigation is finished. It's highly unlikely any insurer will want to take them on after this...
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What litigation?
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Bob
You made me chuckle..You know --it's what the lawyers are there for..aren't they? the ones behind the victims.
OH and Mercy la go, I changed to Dishnet.
I go on line to check out the menu of my favorites the old favorites in evangelists.
I even switch on for a moment to see if 3abn is really on and yes it was..My fist encounter was this bleached Blondie who looked familiar but just couldn't place her and it did not show or did I stay on long enough to see who she was talking too but paused for a moment trying to remember who this was. The voice was familiar and then the other said the name and guess who. Shelly Q. :ROFL: :ROFL: what happened to her style in appearance and her religious way of talking. :ROFL: :ROFL:
Switched off and then later that day switched on to see ..OH NO.. :ROFL: Molly with the Egyptian spikes all over her heavy puggy face. :ROFL: :ROFL:. Yea, its been a lot of years and it is now so obvious. Danny this and Danny that and Danny again and Danny Danny Danny. What is this a love fest going on. Who is Shelly trying impress and Oh my. Then there is Brenda.. should have stayed on to see the new developments. Switch off. Just watch the menu of others. :help: is needed.
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What litigation?
There is no litigation yet, but a warning has been served to the appropriate parties.
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Molly with the Egyptian spikes all over her heavy puggy face. :ROFL: :ROFL:. Yea, its been a lot of years and it is now so obvious. Danny this and Danny that and Danny again and Danny Danny Danny.
But why would Mollie want to glorify Danny Shelton after he covered up the child molestation allegations against Tommy? A man like that should not be praised.
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:ROFL:
Who knows....First the money then the clothes.....oooppss :help: :ROFL:
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What litigation?
There is no litigation yet, but a warning has been served to the appropriate parties.
Given that Linda and Danny still haven't split up all their property, and all the stall tactics Danny used in his lawsuit against us, I wonder what sort of stall tactics Danny et. al. are going to attempt? Whoever sent that warning, do they know how to deal with crafty, sneaky, underhanded stall tactics?
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What litigation?
There is no litigation yet, but a warning has been served to the appropriate parties.
Given that Linda and Danny still haven't split up all their property, and all the stall tactics Danny used in his lawsuit against us, I wonder what sort of stall tactics Danny et. al. are going to attempt? Whoever sent that warning, do they know how to deal with crafty, sneaky, underhanded stall tactics?
I would assume so, and I can guarantee they are fully prepared for such schemes.
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What litigation?
There is no litigation yet, but a warning has been served to the appropriate parties.
Given that Linda and Danny still haven't split up all their property, and all the stall tactics Danny used in his lawsuit against us, I wonder what sort of stall tactics Danny et. al. are going to attempt? Whoever sent that warning, do they know how to deal with crafty, sneaky, underhanded stall tactics?
I would assume so, and I can guarantee they are fully prepared for such schemes.
They better be well prepared for all kinds of sneaky, deceptive tricks. Danny seems to tend to hire attorneys who could use a bit of help in the honesty and ethics category.
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But why would Mollie want to glorify Danny Shelton after he covered up the child molestation allegations against Tommy? A man like that should not be praised.
Shelly Q. was the one that was doing the most glorifying of course along with "spikes".
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What litigation?
There is no litigation yet, but a warning has been served to the appropriate parties.
Given that Linda and Danny still haven't split up all their property, and all the stall tactics Danny used in his lawsuit against us, I wonder what sort of stall tactics Danny et. al. are going to attempt? Whoever sent that warning, do they know how to deal with crafty, sneaky, underhanded stall tactics?
I would assume so, and I can guarantee they are fully prepared for such schemes.
They better be well prepared for all kinds of sneaky, deceptive tricks. Danny seems to tend to hire attorneys who could use a bit of help in the honesty and ethics category.
From what I hear about John Manly, I don't think they'd better try any funny business with him.
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Danny & Co. have no hope against John Manly. They will have to settle and they will do it quickly to avoid as much embarassment as possible...
Still, however this plays out, 3ABN's name will be forever linked to child molestation.
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Danny & Co. have no hope against John Manly. They will have to settle and they will do it quickly to avoid as much embarassment as possible...
Still, however this plays out, 3ABN's name will be forever linked to child molestation.
No matter what may happen in this pending "possible" suit, 3ABN's name is gone along with their reputation. I believe that John Manly, Vince Finaldi, and Michael Reck (the three attorney's representing the victims) records speak for themselves.
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:ROFL: :ROFL: spikes :ROFL: :ROFL: pudgy :ROFL: :ROFL: bleached blondie :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Thanks for mentioning what I was thinking...
bleached blondie appears more fake as bleaching ... oops time goes on.
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:ROFL: It's more then that...It's .. now Farah Fawcett!!! replica :ROFL: The make up artist doesn't got the eyes quite right tho. But I am sure they are working on it. The eye make up was spooky don't you think? Drooping throu slits from old age I guess. Wonder if they could do a job on me too? People have said I look like Myrle Streep or Sally Fields mix. Maybe they could get me back somehow to the good ole day of youth. :ROFL: But now I am almost all white but a creamy white from being a blond. and purely my own natural self. Too afraid of doing anything in case it all falls out. Being old age is bad enough. But no hair when I have lots of it?? No bleached job for me. I love natural hair and a classic look. No spikes for me unless your the Queene of Egypt. :ROFL:
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What does "spikes" & "hair color" got to do with witness tampering?
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It's shows the depth of character and actions of those who consistently intimidate and harass the victims or do their thing of getting across their points of theory or "innocence" whether they are the actual poster or not. They are all in the same "clan" and opposition. It is the outward appearances that coincide with the inner oblivion of character. The outward appearance shows the "flaky" side of character that is presenting a huge (Funnyproblem) of self preservation and extends to the preservation of the DS "clan". Mirror, Mirror on the wall. Who is fairest of them all. ( Some of us on here seem to feel their looks are deceiving). What are they portraying their selves to be. Movie stars? Did they witness tamper? or didn't they? These types of oddities are unstable for me to think all is well.
The posts on here show that happened as they tried to get victims over and over to answer their concocted questioning in hopes a word would be misused for their benefit. Their appearances coinside with their actions and I think it is quite funny other then their intimidation's. and I am sure it is a woman thing as women pick out the first signs of "discernment" in woman things. But maybe ---Does Horsethief enjoy looking at "Farrah"? or at M "spikes" :dunno: :ROFL: Ask PrincessDi the hairdresser what her take might be if she seen the "replica".
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Now, Tinka, on the rare occasion I find myself watching 3ABN I do fine that they have "stylist" issues. Long ago I offered to go and help them out.......LOL!!! havent' seen Molly.....what are Egyptian Spikes? That "semi-Farah look" is back, i guess in honor of Farah Fawcett.
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Tinka... I wouldn't even take the time to respond. Not with someone who compares danny shelton to the Biblical David...
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Now, Tinka, on the rare occasion I find myself watching 3ABN I do fine that they have "stylist" issues. Long ago I offered to go and help them out.......LOL!!! havent' seen Molly.....what are Egyptian Spikes? That "semi-Farah look" is back, i guess in honor of Farah Fawcett.
IF you can picture hair that outlines the face combed forward all around (sides, bangs, all the same length and then separated to look like spikes separated evenly all around the round face. I thought it looked hilarious. You mostly see that on old Egyptian photos with straight bangs across and black hair to accentuate the "spikey" look. Ridiculous. and SQ is now looking like Farrah. That is why I did not recognize her and couldn't remember who she was and was just trying to place her voice.
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Witness intimidation
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Witness intimidation involves witnesses crucial to court proceedings being threatened in order to pressure or extort them not to testify. The refusal of key witnesses to testify commonly renders a case with inadequate physical evidence void in a court of law. This is a significant problem that has many lawmakers considering tough penalties for intimidating a witness; in the state of Kansas, it is a criminal misdemeanor, or, if found to be aggravated, a felony.
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WITNESS TAMPERING
Talking to a witness, hoping for them to lie, or change their opinion, about what really happened.
Retrieved from "http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/witness_tampering"
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Hmmm, guess I used the wrong word in the wrong place. But I still mean the same messing around and how is that??
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Have mercy! I can just imagine. I know they have some styling issues......LOL!!! Now, now, Tinka, don't be hatin' on SQ's new look. Her man might like that look! LOL!!!
IF you can picture hair that outlines the face combed forward all around (sides, bangs, all the same length and then separated to look like spikes separated evenly all around the round face. I thought it looked hilarious. You mostly see that on old Egyptian photos with straight bangs across and black hair to accentuate the "spikey" look. Ridiculous. and SQ is now looking like Farrah. That is why I did not recognize her and couldn't remember who she was and was just trying to place her voice.
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Hmmm, her man might be thinking "fantasy" :ROFL: