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guide4him

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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2008, 11:37:05 AM »

For someone who is unable to read minds to discern .... :help:
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2008, 11:49:56 AM »

All of you have been given the truth all along from those who have defended Dannny Shelton and 3ABN and sadly none of you could discern that either.

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: So now we are supposed to discern the news?

"Breaking news! Today in an Asian country there are people mourning over the thing that happened there. There are other people celebrating. And a result prices have gone up on the product. Yet, in an African country prices remained steady on the other product and the populace are showing indifference to the thing that happened in the Asian country."

"What happened in which Asian country, and what is the product?"

"Huh? You don't know? Obviously you don't know how to discern the news."
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2008, 03:11:30 PM »

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Seems no one can find what the good news is

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/3abnDefended/message/142




Message #   Search:    Advanced (Stan Jensen)
3ABN CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!!!     


Re: 3ABN CLEAN AS A WHISTLE!!!!


Is this prophetic? or was there a court action that I am not able to find?




 Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:37 pm




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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2008, 03:13:08 PM »

This appears to be bait. It looks like they're trying to stir up fear and concern. If there was such "great news" out there, don't you think they would have been trumpeting it far and wide?

So this great and wonderful news comes out and the only ones who know about it are on the 3ABN Defended group?  :ROFL:

Sure, and the check was mailed yesterday, too.
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2008, 05:08:57 PM »

Do you think they have been talking to the janitor at 3ABN and got told the whole place is squeaky clean?


In the absence of anything more substantive, I think this just goes in the 'To Be Watched" File.
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2008, 06:02:20 PM »

Do you think they have been talking to the janitor at 3ABN and got told the whole place is squeaky clean?


In the absence of anything more substantive, I think this just goes in the 'To Be Watched" File.


Be interesting to hear from 3ABN supporters exactly what this is suppossed to mean
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2008, 06:43:35 PM »

Do you think they have been talking to the janitor at 3ABN and got told the whole place is squeaky clean?


In the absence of anything more substantive, I think this just goes in the 'To Be Watched" File.


Be interesting to hear from 3ABN supporters exactly what this is suppossed to mean

It's all so exciting that they can't even tell what it is. :dunno:  Must be some news!  :ROFL:

If 3abn was found to be 'sqeaky clean', they would be yelling the evidence from the roof tops.  :scratch: Meanwhile, I'll go back to enjoying a quiet weekend.  :dogwag:
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2008, 06:51:17 PM »

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Whatever the news is that the 3ABN defenders are sitting on at this point, I doubt that it has the ability to magically transform 3ABN into a "squeaky clean" place.

That's for sure Artiste!  :ROFL:

« Last Edit: June 28, 2008, 06:57:22 PM by Chrissie »
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2008, 07:00:35 PM »

the "Squeaky Clean" information must be sitting in the same file as the damaging true information against Linda Shelton. :rabbit:
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2008, 07:53:31 PM »

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Whatever the news is that the 3ABN defenders are sitting on at this point, I doubt that it has the ability to magically transform 3ABN into a "squeaky clean" place.

That's for sure Artiste!  :ROFL:



I must have missed something here. Very likely there is an error.  It looks like you are talking to yourself.
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2008, 07:59:32 PM »

Considering the role that they have played, has anyone here thought to have asked either Bob Pickle or, Gailon Joy know about this?

If so,what was their answer?

If not, what is their answer, as I am asking that here, and am sure others are interested?

I for one would most assuredly like to know and hear their input.

Not unreasonable I am sure, as wouldn't you all here also like to know and understand this and put it in perspective?




Their role in what? I would like to hear their input too, but regarding what? Junebug said there was big news and gave us a link, but I can't find where the news is. At 3abnd they are elated about the news and rejoicing over it, but they don't identify what it is.

Their role in this investigation of 3ABN and the law suit.

I didn't see any announcement of what the news is either.

It seems highly probable that with Gailon and Bob being so involved, and having their fingers in all the pies, so to speak, that they may know the latest news.

If so, they would be the best qualified to let us know what all the rejoicing by the supporters is all about.

Can someone email them?
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2008, 08:04:41 PM »

There has been much speculation on the Internet over the past 48 hours in regard to some major development that has taken place that has proclaimed 3-ABN to be clean, whatever that means.  That is the issue:  No one knows exactly what is supposed to have happened.  In a real way anything that I can say about it is only speculative.

I have made attempts to find out what is going on yesterday and today.  My attempts have failed.  I do not have any authorative knowledge.  In some cases I have not been able to talk to the individual I had attempted to contact.  In other cases no response was given to me.
I was able to discuss some of this speculation with a SDA Attorney, this morning, who attends the same church I attend.  [NOTE:  For those who like to speculate, this was not the female attorney that some of you think has been highly involved.]  My comments here will reflect my thinking as well as some of the comments made to me by that attorney.

The thinking of people who have talked to me about what is being said on the Internet, as well  as how certain Internet posts have been understood is that this major development involved the Internal Revenue Service alleged investigation of 3-ABN.  While that may be accurate, it is also possible that this alleged development involves something not related in any way to the IRS.  As many seem to think that it does involve the IRS, I am going to comment on this alleged development from that standpoint.

First, I have been told that there could be several valid reasons why a major development has occurred and the specifics have not been published at this point.  I do not think that there is any value in speculating on possible reasons and therefore I am not going to comment further on this point.

I think that it would be well to consider the approach that the Internal Revenue Service often takes in an investigation.    While it may launch a criminal investigation [NOTE: I am not alleging that a criminal investigation has been launched against 3-ABN.] it often prefers to change the criminal investigation to a civil case.  It will often prefer to allow a civil case to become a negotiated settlement of the issues.  Once that settlement has been reached the organization is given a clean bill of health as all questions are resolved.

The settlement agreement between the IRS and the organization may be available to the general public.    Or, it may not be made available to the general public and it becomes a confidential document that is restricted in its distribution.  So, if the IRS and 3-ABN have reached a settlement agreement, is it now, or will it become, a public document available to the general public?  [NOTE:  Again, I do not make any claim as to whether or not the IRS has investigated 3-ABN.]

If this major development involves a decision by the IRS in regard to 3-ABN, and it may not, in my opinion the following are the possibilities:

1)   It is possible that the IRS has determined that 3-ABN has done nothing that warrants either criminal or civil sanctions. 

If this is the fact, this is a major development that is likely to have a major effect in the ongoing civil litigation.  I am not going to comment further on this at this time.  But, I will suggest that the importance of a ruling of this nature cannot be underestimated.

2)   It is possible that the IRS has determined that criminal action is not warranted, but civil action will occur. 

This could be a significant development.  But, it would be important in essence saying that mistakes were made but they were mistakes of ignorance and not of criminal intent.

3)   It is possible that the IRS has determined that neither criminal nor civil action is warranted.  Rather a settlement agreement took place. 

This would in essence be a statement to the fact that while mistakes may have made they were simple mistakes more of a type than can be commonly be made as people fill out the complex IRS documents.  In addition, it is likely that the settlement agreement may not allege that mistakes were actually made.  Rather, it may be a simple statement that without acknowledging any fault the IRS and 3-ABN have settled these issues.  A settlement agreement may not be used to assert proof of wrong doing. It may be nothing more than an agreement that resolves the issues.

So, where are we at this point in time?  We are not at any place where a definitive statement can be made.  For possibly valid reasons those with knowledge are not telling us what has happened.  They are telling us to wait and see.  Are they blowing wind?  I do not think so.  I think that a major development has happened.  I do not know what it is.  My post here is speculative.  I am simply waiting for further developments which I hope will tell us what has happened.


 
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2008, 09:10:58 PM »

Oh, there is a reality check in the mail . . . but it isn't addressed to Sam or anyone at 3ABN . . . but will certainly give a clear picture of things . . .

We have been asked to "speculate" on the jubilation of SAM and group.

One is left to conclude that whatever it is that has so many excited about so little is clearly wanton or 3ABN would have already trumpeted the same in an official news release on their own website. Therefore, we will put our ears to the ground and see if we can hear hoof-beats that even begin to justify a handshake, let alone celebration.

1)The bad news is that Remnant has been ordered to produce and so 3ABN has scampered back to court to try once again to obstruct the production.

2)The good news is that at the last minute they filed a belated and wholely inappropriate motion to quash a subpoena to which they are not even parties to in Southern Illinois to prevent the production of the auditors paperwork. But it will be opposed and the law supports the production...that's the bad news.

3) ANd they have filed another motion just before they were to produce documents based on their own stipulation of June 11 requested way back in December 2007. So, we are left with a whole pile of BlackSDA production, Maritime Production and a few odds and ends declared "confidential" and designed to make it look like they are producing, when they are largely non-substantive responses yet again. Still nothing, nadya, nein, regarding the alledged allegations against Linda, to mention just one that we have been waiting for with "baited breathe".
And I would recommend you not "hold your breathe" waiting!!!

4) We have a Rule 11 issue pending that would seem a bit problematic for that new lawyer they are so excited about, Gregory Simpson. And of course that would probably lead to a formal compalint to the bar, but shouldn't be a problem for a man that sits on the ethics committee.

5) Judge Saylor extended the "ALL" Discovery pursuant to our Motion for Extention for another 90 days. Probably won't be the last!!!

I simply must be missing something, and I fear not even the Lord knows what, but there has just not been much good news, except a much bigger legal bill with Simpson charging three hundred ($300) dollars an hour to close all those leaking holes in the dyke!!! Maybe Peter or Hanzel would be more effective and cheaper!!!

Now, if 3ABN is "exonerated" why would they want to continue to block discovery essential to the question of "private inurement" and "director oversight" of the financial affairs? Seems as though they would be happy for us to have all that exonerating documentation; and I doubt we have asked for anything anywhere near the information that the IRS asked to look at.

In fact, Simpson recently addressed the IRS Investigation documentation in a ludicrous effort to prevent us from getting access to those records. They would have to eliminate the "per se" allegations to even get close to calling such records "Irrelevant"; then eliminate allegations relevant to private inurement; and don't forget eliminating the allegations relating to the board of directors, etc. 

And, ANYMAN has made it clear "it isn't addressed to Sam or anyone at 3ABN" so we must conclude the weight of the evidence weighs heavily against anything even close to an "exoneration" of the old Board or Danny Lee Shelton.

Although, one cannot eliminate the possibility that the board let Danny Lee Shelton audit himself and then wrote his own letter to the board "exonerating" all of them. Now that would be news worth a roll in the parking lot, or any available floor. Worthless, but hilarious.

Will keep you posted, but that is the view from here in the bunker!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2008, 11:48:16 PM »

Their role in this investigation of 3ABN and the law suit.

I didn't see any announcement of what the news is either.

It seems highly probable that with Gailon and Bob being so involved, and having their fingers in all the pies, so to speak, that they may know the latest news.

If so, they would be the best qualified to let us know what all the rejoicing by the supporters is all about.

Can someone email them?

Looks like at least one question is answered. But we still don't know what this cryptic news is that we supposed to discern.
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Re: Did you hear the news?
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2008, 03:57:59 AM »

There is plenty of sound in an empty barrel
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