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As indicated by the Supreme Court of the United States, “In order to aid and abet another to commit a crime it is necessary that a defendant 'in some sort associate himself with the venture, that he participate in it as in something that he wishes to bring about, that he seek by his action to make it succeed.” Nye & Nissen v. United States, 336 U.S. 613, 618 (1949) quoting Judge Learned Hand in U.S. v. Peoni 100 F.2d 401, 402 (2d. Cir. 1938).

In the toxic and permissive atmosphere fostered in the 3ABN environs by its leadership, a known homosexual child molester was given a position in 3ABN and involved in children's' programming, which was then televised to an unsuspecting Adventist public.

The public was encouraged to give donations.

When the warning was given to Seventh-day Adventist church leadership, a few halfhearted attempts were made to distance themselves from the media entity, but then a cosmetic change in 3ABN's face appeared to appease SDA leaders, and they continued their mutually beneficial relationship which allowed them to appear in public on TV.

3ABN now trumpets on its website the close involvement it has with the Seventh-day Adventist church by offering 3ABN Study Bibles with Ellen White Comments.

Meanwhile the inevitable occurred, and as a result the child molester is shortly to face some of his accusers in court.  His brother, the revered founder of 3ABN, soon to be featured in a 3ABN-produced documentary delineating the miracles that flowed his way during the founding of 3ABN, apparently will be in court to defend him.

The Seventh-day Adventist church, by its silence, is complicit in allowing unacceptable and criminal behavior, along with its cover-up, at 3ABN.

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You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
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You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!

Good Lord, Junebug are you off your rocker? You say that Artiste has no proof? Well, Junebug where is your proof that Tommy is not a pedophile nor a child molestor?  In all reality, Artiste has more proof then you do!  Talk to a victim sometime and tell me that isn't proof. Unbelievable.

Note: Edited to fix my grammer errors :)
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You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!

Have you considered the idea you could be wrong? You should. You have put a lot on the idea that you know something with so much certainty. Do you really want to find yourself on the side of a pedophile? Seriously? Keep an open mind.
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You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!

Have you considered the idea you could be wrong? You should. You have put a lot on the idea that you know something with so much certainty. Do you really want to find yourself on the side of a pedophile? Seriously? Keep an open mind.
:TY: :goodpost:
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You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
You know, Junebug, I have had enough of this. It's because of people like you that abusers commit their crimes over and over again. You sit there on your pompous rear and declare that to be a fact when you have NO proof of it being the case. Until you know what you're talking about, you'd be best advised to keep your mouth shut. I've had it with you and the whole wad of others who keep spreading this filth. Who do you think you are to be calling all the victims liars? You are nothing but a spineless coward, and are no better than a child molestor yourself.
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You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
You know, Junebug, I have had enough of this. It's because of people like you that abusers commit their crimes over and over again. You sit there on your pompous rear and declare that to be a fact when you have NO proof of it being the case. Until you know what you're talking about, you'd be best advised to keep your mouth shut. I've had it with you and the whole wad of others who keep spreading this filth. Who do you think you are to be calling all the victims liars? You are nothing but a spineless coward, and are no better than a child molestor yourself.

Well said, Duane.  :goodpost:
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation. 

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation. 

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?

Junebug, if you think that means squat, look at it this way - Jesus WAS convicted of a crime he DID not do - no evidence yet he was convicted.

Obviously, you don't know anyone in your life that got away with something wrong...both things happen all the time - someone gets off who is guilty, someone goes to jail that is not guilty. What you said means absolutely NOTHING where truth is concerned. And, if you want to take the time, go look at cases where there was conviction, and see how some of those cases played out....in jail for a short time (hand slap) and as soon as they were out, they did it again, because when it comes to pedophilia, it isn't just a error in judgment, it's a sickness. No one deals with the sickness - and why? Too busy treating it like a regular crime. It's far from regular, and you ought to look a little deeper in to it before you pretend to know anything.
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation. 

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
He is still guilty! There are statements from victims! He has been arrested and charged, and is soon to be on trial! What is your problem?
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation. 

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
He is still guilty! There are statements from victims! He has been arrested and charged, and is soon to be on trial! What is your problem?

There will always be people who live to defend something they think is their salvation, everything is hinged on that one thing in their life, if it were to fall apart, if they were to see it for what it really was/is, THEY could not handle it, that is based in fear and insecurity. It's a problem for many when they invest to heavily. mentally, spiritually and monetarily in something and do not want to be wrong or disappointed. The sad part really is, that TRUTH means nothing when it comes to all those human emotions and fixes they need - and that's why "denial" is such a huge human weakness. God would use that knowledge and grow them past that type of "worship" of some thing, if they would follow His example and examine all things. Now, toss in pride and you are good to go - you may never open your eyes long enough to see truth and then allow it to make you a stronger and better person, let alone christian professing every day to the world the importance of truth and the fact that it's all that matters. Sort of a clash going on there I'd say.
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1. Tommy Shelton has not been convicted in a court of law of any pedophilia or child molestation. 

"All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, " said Christ, "do ye even so to them; for this is the law and the prophets." These words are of the highest importance, and should be our rule of life. But do we carry out this divine principle? Do we, when brought into contact with our fellow beings, deal with them just as we would desire them to deal with us in similar circumstances?
He is still guilty! There are statements from victims! He has been arrested and charged, and is soon to be on trial! What is your problem?

There will always be people who live to defend something they think is their salvation, everything is hinged on that one thing in their life, if it were to fall apart, if they were to see it for what it really was/is, THEY could not handle it, that is based in fear and insecurity. It's a problem for many when they invest to heavily. mentally, spiritually and monetarily in something and do not want to be wrong or disappointed. The sad part really is, that TRUTH means nothing when it comes to all those human emotions and fixes they need - and that's why "denial" is such a huge human weakness. God would use that knowledge and grow them past that type of "worship" of some thing, if they would follow His example and examine all things. Now, toss in pride and you are good to go - you may never open your eyes long enough to see truth and then allow it to make you a stronger and better person, let alone christian professing every day to the world the importance of truth and the fact that it's all that matters. Sort of a clash going on there I'd say.

Not to mention the inability to comprehend simple facts, and a disdain for anyone who DARES expose sin. I'm tired of it. If these people want to keep spreading this garbage, they're gonna get called on it every time. And doing it anonymously, too. How spineless can you get?
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The problem with this, Junebug is that the police also believe there is suffiecient evidence, enough to arrest him.  Also, the state is sort of a lie of omission, and most definitely a sign of denial, is that he said he has not been convicted in a court of law........the ommission was yet.  He is in the process as we speak.

I am not sure why you all are acting like this is a bunch of people just talking out the side of their neck.  He has been arrested and charged with this crime by the proper authrities.


You have no proof of this Artiste.  Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester.  The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
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Obviously, you don't know anyone in your life that got away with something wrong...

Maybe Junebug does know of such folks after all.

Junebug, do the parents of your students know of your persistence in defending an alleged pedophile, even to the point of refusing to say that even if a minor was consenting, that makes no difference?
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On October 13, 2007, Walt Thompson wrote:

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Not long after Linda's departure rumors began circulating around the world by every imaginable means, all of which have had a negative effect upon the ministry. This took on a whole renewed vigor about a year ago when I was told of a man who was about to release a barrage of anti 3abn allegations to church leaders and churches and the public all around the world. Upon learning of this intent, I called the man and spoke for about an hour with him explaining 3abn's position. At the end of the conversation, he continued to tell me that 3abn was wrong, and that he was convinced that the information he had was the truth and that he was deternimed to tell it to the world. He further told me that if the leadership of the church came to 3abn's defense, he would attack them and lay open their sins before the world. Not long after that another man joined in making serious allegations about 3abn employees , determined that we were covering sins, and demanding that we acknowledge them. The attacks by these and others have had a very detrimental effect upon the ministry. When the leaders of the General Conference began to accept the false allegations from these, our accusers, without coming to us to find out the truth of the matters, and decided not to work with 3abn any more until we proved to them that we were in the right, we decided it was time to stand up and defend the ministry that donors like yourself have sacrificed to create, but which was now being threated with extinction . We had sought resolution with our enemies. We next went to ASI seeking their help in discovering truth about the matter. Our opposition then refused to cooperate with ASI attempts to develop a procedure for examining the facts on both sides. The Church had already refused to get involved. Where else does one go for understanding and reconcilliation? It was about this time that we decided to go to the courts of the land in defense, not for our own reputation, or seeking monetary benefit, but to protect this ministry. God has told us in the Bible that He would fight for us as He promised ancient Israel. It is interesting that though He told the Israelites that He would fight for them, they still were required to arm and go into battle with Him.

From http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-127-2.pdf.

Thus, according to Walt, 3ABN sued us because church leaders were taking action.
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