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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on June 18, 2008, 10:51:16 AM
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Yes, they've hired two more lawyers in Illinois to handle an aspect of the lawsuit against Joy and Pickle, if their names on the filings mean that they've been retained. Guess that makes nine now. Plus two in the bankruptcy, I think.
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Yes, they've hired two more lawyers in Illinois to handle an aspect of the lawsuit against Joy and Pickle, if their names on the filings mean that they've been retained. Guess that makes nine now. Plus two in the bankruptcy, I think.
9 lawyers being paid to crush two little pro-se guys in a slam-dunk case. You must be really scary.
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Well, I think they may need more attorneys. The ones they have can't even get a subpoena done effectively. :ROFL:
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Yes, they've hired two more lawyers in Illinois to handle an aspect of the lawsuit against Joy and Pickle, if their names on the filings mean that they've been retained. Guess that makes nine now. Plus two in the bankruptcy, I think.
9? Name them. Of course the 2 in bankruptcy don't count since Joy is the one to pull that shenanigan.
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Yes, they've hired two more lawyers in Illinois to handle an aspect of the lawsuit against Joy and Pickle, if their names on the filings mean that they've been retained. Guess that makes nine now. Plus two in the bankruptcy, I think.
9? Name them. Of course the 2 in bankruptcy don't count since Joy is the one to pull that shenanigan.
Begging you pardon, SAM, but I don't recall 3ABN being part of the bankruptcy. I do recall their outrageous conduct that got them sued!!! My guess it is not the last time.
As to the naming them all:
John P. Pucci pucci@fierstpucci.com, christine@fierstpucci.com,
J. Lizette Richards richards@fierstpucci.com
Gerald Duffy gerryduffy@sbgdf.com
William Christopher Penwell chrispenwell@sbgdf.com
Jerrie M. Hayes jerriehayes@sbgdf.com
Kristin L. Kingsbury kristinkingsbury@sbgdf.com
Gregory Simpson GregSimpson@sbgdf.com
Charles L Philbrick of Holland and Knight, LLP
Jennifer White of Holland and Knight, LLP
Is that clarity enough for the blind side????
Gailon Arthur Joy
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A question for those 3ABN defenders who have been explaining in various threads why so many lawyers are needed by 3ABN:
Since the basis of your explanations are that different states as well as different issues require lawyers in different locales, why is it that Gailon Joy and Bob Pickle are able to handle all these different areas and issues, just the two of them, pro se?
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That's a good question that Artiste just asked here.
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A question for those 3ABN defenders who have been explaining in various threads why so many lawyers are needed by 3ABN:
Since the basis of your explanations are that different states as well as different issues require lawyers in different locales, why is it that Gailon Joy and Bob Pickle are able to handle all these different areas and issues, just the two of them, pro se?
Oh Yeah!! :oops: Waitin' for the answer to THAT ONE!!! :goodpost: :thumbsup:
GrammieT ;D
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Will we get a real response to that question?
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Lawyers aren't licensed to practice everywhere. The ones in MN had to get permission before they could practice in MA, for example. In doing so I believe that the 2 in MA sponsored the 4 from MN.
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Yes, the legal system regarding lawyers and stuff is so complex.
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Yes, the legal system regarding lawyers and stuff is so complex.
Yes, being created by lawyers and all.
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Yes, the legal system regarding lawyers and stuff is so complex.
Quite so, Darryl, which is why our respondent/defendant pro seattorneys need more than our very much needed pecuniary support. If we believe in the justice of their cause, and many of us do, we should petition heaven on their behalf to help them present an affective, powerful response given battery of lawyers arrayed against them.
Someone has said that there is the law, and there is justice. And we all know that down here they are not synonymous!
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Yes, the legal system regarding lawyers and stuff is so complex.
Quite so, Darryl, which is why our respondent/defendant pro seattorneys need more than our very much needed pecuniary support. If we believe in the justice of their cause, and many of us do, we should petition heaven on their behalf to help them present an affective, powerful response given battery of lawyers arrayed against them.
Someone has said that there is the law, and there is justice. And we all know that down here they are not synonymous!
Every time "our respondent/defendant pro se attorneys" start another action (and from what I have read here on this forum within the last 24 hours there will be many, many more ) they add more lawyers to the battery arrayed against them. I don't know if it is wisdom to have a NON MULTUM, SED MULTA (just for you, Eduard) legal strategy...it just might work. I believe in prayer and discuss things with God on a daily basis, but isn't creating a plethora of situations that further stretch the resources and energy of the two pro se attorneys rather like praying the following?
:praying: Dear Department of Petitions, please give the arsonists the strength and resources to fight the many fires they are starting.
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Every time "our respondent/defendant pro se attorneys" start another action (and from what I have read here on this forum within the last 24 hours there will be many, many more ) they add more lawyers to the battery arrayed against them. I don't know if it is wisdom to have a NON MULTUM, SED MULTA (just for you, Eduard) legal strategy...it just might work. I believe in prayer and discuss things with God on a daily basis, but isn't creating a plethora of situations that further stretch the resources and energy of the two pro se attorneys rather like praying the following?
:praying: Dear Department of Petitions, please give the arsonists the strength and resources to fight the many fires they are starting.
Ummmmm........no, I don't think so. ???
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:praying: Dear Department of Petitions, please give the arsonists the strength and resources to fight the many fires they are starting.
Surely, we don't want another 'Battle Creek' at 3abn?
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3ABN and Danny sued. They hired lawyers who have trouble getting their facts straight. They have been fighting tooth and nail to keep us from getting documents.
"... with liberty and justice for all."
The American dream is for all, not just for the rich and powerful. Not just for those who can hire an army of attorneys.
"Justice for all."
"For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all." "For all."
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I don't think I read anywhere that Gailon and Bob were planning to "start another action". There could very well be a plethora of cases springing up against DS/3ABN that Gailon and Bob are not party to at all. Why blame them for that?
And I'm not sure I agree that GAJ/BP have "started any action" at this point. As I recall, Danny and 3ABN sued them, so they didn't start that one. And as for the BK case, Gailon has every right to fight back against DS/3ABN injecting themselves into a case they were not a party to in the first place.
Every time "our respondent/defendant pro se attorneys" start another action (and from what I have read here on this forum within the last 24 hours there will be many, many more ) they add more lawyers to the battery arrayed against them. I don't know if it is wisdom to have a NON MULTUM, SED MULTA (just for you, Eduard) legal strategy...it just might work. I believe in prayer and discuss things with God on a daily basis, but isn't creating a plethora of situations that further stretch the resources and energy of the two pro se attorneys rather like praying the following?
:praying: Dear Department of Petitions, please give the arsonists the strength and resources to fight the many fires they are starting.
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From the eBay Sales Conrtoversy? thread:
"They will need far more than they have now to take care of all the issues that lay ahead"
Gailon Arthur Joy (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,565.msg8677.html#msg8677)
Did I misunderstand the intent of this reply, Gailon? It appeared to me to be a reference that you intended to bring more actions (suits/countersuits/subpoenas/etc.) that would cause 3abn to have to hire even more attorneys.
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From the eBay Sales Conrtoversy? thread:
"They will need far more than they have now to take care of all the issues that lay ahead"
Gailon Arthur Joy (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,565.msg8677.html#msg8677)
Did I misunderstand the intent of this reply, Gailon? It appeared to me to be a reference that you intended to bring more actions (suits/countersuits/subpoenas/etc.) that would cause 3abn to have to hire even more attorneys.
Considering the stones that have been rolled I wonder if there is an avalanche hanging over someone's head. I wonder if there are actions being considered by a number of people other than Gailon and Bob. Could Gailon be referencing actions other than his own?
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From the eBay Sales Conrtoversy? thread:
"They will need far more than they have now to take care of all the issues that lay ahead"
Gailon Arthur Joy (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,565.msg8677.html#msg8677)
Did I misunderstand the intent of this reply, Gailon? It appeared to me to be a reference that you intended to bring more actions (suits/countersuits/subpoenas/etc.) that would cause 3abn to have to hire even more attorneys.
Considering the stones that have been rolled I wonder if there is an avalanche hanging over someone's head. I wonder if there are actions being considered by a number of people other than Gailon and Bob. Could Gailon be referencing actions other than his own?
Could be an avalanche is hanging over more than one head here, unbeknownst to them.
I looked for recent posts by Gailon to see if he had already explained his references in other topics here, but he was gone for the last 2 weeks from this forum.
If he would reply here no one would be forced to speculate further, or wonder any more.
Rosa
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It appeared to me to be a reference that you intended to bring more actions (suits/countersuits/subpoenas/etc.)
Kind of silly to consider subpoenas in the same case to be more actions.
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From the eBay Sales Conrtoversy? thread:
"They will need far more than they have now to take care of all the issues that lay ahead"
Gailon Arthur Joy (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,565.msg8677.html#msg8677)
Did I misunderstand the intent of this reply, Gailon? It appeared to me to be a reference that you intended to bring more actions (suits/countersuits/subpoenas/etc.) that would cause 3abn to have to hire even more attorneys.
Considering the stones that have been rolled I wonder if there is an avalanche hanging over someone's head. I wonder if there are actions being considered by a number of people other than Gailon and Bob. Could Gailon be referencing actions other than his own?
Could be an avalanche is hanging over more than one head here, unbeknownst to them.
I looked for recent posts by Gailon to see if he had already explained his references in other topics here, but he was gone for the last 2 weeks from this forum.
If he would reply here no one would be forced to speculate further, or wonder any more.
Rosa
:welcome: to Advent Talk, Rosa.
I don't believe that anyone is being forced to speculate.
We're just discussing things.
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Could be an avalanche is hanging over more than one head here, unbeknownst to them.
Rosa
Really, Rosa?
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I don't think I read anywhere that Gailon and Bob were planning to "start another action". There could very well be a plethora of cases springing up against DS/3ABN that Gailon and Bob are not party to at all. Why blame them for that?
And I'm not sure I agree that GAJ/BP have "started any action" at this point. As I recall, Danny and 3ABN sued them, so they didn't start that one. And as for the BK case, Gailon has every right to fight back against DS/3ABN injecting themselves into a case they were not a party to in the first place.
:praying: Dear Department of Petitions, please give the arsonists the strength and resources to fight the many fires they are starting.
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I don't see where Bob and/or Gailon have 'started anything' either. Was it not DS/3abn who commenced this action?
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Many many others see the suit as the consequences to GAJ/BP for their actions in broadcasting malicious and slanderous accusations.
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Many many others see the suit as the consequences to GAJ/BP for their actions in broadcasting malicious and slanderous accusations.
I'm assuming the many others would be those at the 3ABN compound?
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Is what Joy/Pickle say really malicious, slanderours or is it truth? Only time and the court will be able to determine.
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Many many others see the suit as the consequences to GAJ/BP for their actions in broadcasting malicious and slanderous accusations.
I\'m assuming the many others would be those at the 3ABN compound?
I am one of the many who are not of the 3ABN compound, as you put it.
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Many many others see the suit as the consequences to GAJ/BP for their actions in broadcasting malicious and slanderous accusations.
Malicious:
1. full of, characterized by, or showing malice; malevolent; spiteful: malicious gossip.
2. Law. vicious, wanton, or mischievous in motivation or purpose.
Slanderous:
1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.
I have seen no evidence that these men started this out of malice. Yes, heated emotions have become involved as the threats and taunts have been thrown around here and previously on BSDA. But the escalation has been as the process has continued, and was not the motivation for the intial disclosures. Their initial motivation, from what I saw, was to right what they saw as a terrible wrong that had been done in God's name.
Whether what they have posted is slanderous remains to be seen.
This is not a popularity contest. The person with the most votes doesn't win. It boils down to truth. Did Linda commit adultery? Did Danny do the things he has been accused of. So your opinion and my opinion, though we have a right to them, really are worth very little in the final analysis. 3ABN's soul count means nothing.
The jury awaits...
God help them.
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I know that Danny Shelton's first accusations against his wife could not be true. He accused her of having gone to Florida to spend a certain time with this Norwegian doctor who had been treating her son. It so happened that both my wife and I had spent several days at the home of this physician in Norway exactly at the time when Danny was accusing him of being together with Linda in Florida. Common sense tells you that it is impossible for a person to be in Norway and in Florida at the same time. So there is absolutely no doubt that Danny Shelton was issuing a false statement in order to get rid of his wife, because he stated also that he now had reason to divorce her.
A month later I flew to 3ABN to testify on Linda's behalf - together with the Norwegian physician - and that made Danny so angry that he called us publicly evil spirits and threatened to have us arrested by police if we did not disappear.
Does this indicate he wanted to know the truth? Or that he was trying to hide it?
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I know that Danny Shelton's first accusations against his wife could not be true. He accused her of having gone to Florida to spend a certain time with this Norwegian doctor who had been treating her son. It so happened that both my wife and I had spent several days at the home of this physician in Norway exactly at the time when Danny was accusing him of being together with Linda in Florida. Common sense tells you that it is impossible for a person to be in Norway and in Florida at the same time. So there is absolutely no doubt that Danny Shelton was issuing a false statement in order to get rid of his wife, because he stated also that he now had reason to divorce her.
A month later I flew to 3ABN to testify on Linda's behalf - together with the Norwegian physician - and that made Danny so angry that he called us publicly evil spirits and threatened to have us arrested by police if we did not disappear.
Does this indicate he wanted to know the truth? Or that he was trying to hide it?
The evidence is that Danny Shelton was looking for any excuse to get out of his marriage to Linda.
Why would that be, I wonder?
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I know that Danny Shelton's first accusations against his wife could not be true. He accused her of having gone to Florida to spend a certain time with this Norwegian doctor who had been treating her son. It so happened that both my wife and I had spent several days at the home of this physician in Norway exactly at the time when Danny was accusing him of being together with Linda in Florida. Common sense tells you that it is impossible for a person to be in Norway and in Florida at the same time. So there is absolutely no doubt that Danny Shelton was issuing a false statement in order to get rid of his wife, because he stated also that he now had reason to divorce her.
A month later I flew to 3ABN to testify on Linda's behalf - together with the Norwegian physician - and that made Danny so angry that he called us publicly evil spirits and threatened to have us arrested by police if we did not disappear.
Does this indicate he wanted to know the truth? Or that he was trying to hide it?
The evidence is that Danny Shelton was looking for any excuse to get out of his marriage to Linda.
Why would that be, I wonder?
I'm sorry Artiste, that is not evidence, that is an opinion. Actually 2. Your's, based on Johann's...
There is a huge difference.
Yes it is he said, he said, but what does the real tangible hard copy evidence say? Have you asked for, or looked at, or considered it?
...ian
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Since when is experience an opinion?
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Ian,
I am disappointed in your post for the reason that Elder Johann is speaking as a witness and not stating a opinion.
If you were really interested in the truth, you wouldn't have responded like that.
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Ian,
I am disappointed in your post for the reason that Elder Johann is speaking as a witness and not stating a opinion.
If you were really interested in the truth, you wouldn't have responded like that.
Actually Daryl, I watched a recording of that May 2004 3abn Campmeeting program and sent a copy of it along to Bob. It is my recollection that Danny Shelton said there were demons present, not evil spirits...but I could be mistaken.
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So, let me get this straight.
a noted very well respected and honored Physician who if I understand correctly is also and Elder in his home church and former staunch supporter of 3ABN plus a very well respected Minister who had formerly been very supportive of 3ABN are demons just because Danny Shelton says so.
And Jim Gilley made the statement during the early part of the 10 commandments weekend that whatever Danny Shelton says you can be sure he is telling the truth. He is an honorable man.
Yep got it. :help: :rabbit:
Johann and Ariel(spelling?) if I misstated the statement when I was describing you two as I understand it please correct me.
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And Jim Gilley made the statement during the early part of the 10 commandments weekend that whatever Danny Shelton says you can be sure he is telling the truth. He is an honorable man.
Did Jim Gilley really say that? Does he believe that?
Do the 3ABN defenders here believe that?
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I watched a recording of that May 2004 3abn Campmeeting program and sent a copy of it along to Bob. It is my recollection that Danny Shelton said there were demons present, not evil spirits...but I could be mistaken.
Now, Nettie, could you please explain to all of us befuddled folks just what difference between "demons" and "evil spirits" you find so significant? :huh: :dunno:
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And Jim Gilley made the statement during the early part of the 10 commandments weekend that whatever Danny Shelton says you can be sure he is telling the truth. He is an honorable man.
Did Jim Gilley really say that? Does he believe that?
Do the 3ABN defenders here believe that?
Heard it with me own two little ears... I believe he made strong emphasis to the fact of Danny being an honest person. Don't recall the details. And here we thought Jim Gilley was going to do some house cleaning.Whether he believes what he says he sure made sure the stockholders in the pews believed what he said.
The 3ABN defenders can speak for themselves.
Of course even though I heard it myself this is only my opinion and evil surmising and twisting of the facts.
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I'm sorry Artiste, that is not evidence, that is an opinion. Actually 2. Your's, based on Johann's...
There is a huge difference.
Yes it is he said, he said, but what does the real tangible hard copy evidence say? Have you asked for, or looked at, or considered it?
...ian
Have you looked at and considered the evidence? Have you actually spoken with Johann to confirm what you are alleging? Have you personally gone over his evidence, or are you just surmising and rumoring that what he has is not evidence? Are you doing exactly what you are trying to accuse others of doing? Are you exactly what you are accusing others of being?
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And Jim Gilley made the statement during the early part of the 10 commandments weekend that whatever Danny Shelton says you can be sure he is telling the truth. He is an honorable man.
Did Jim Gilley really say that? Does he believe that?
Do the 3ABN defenders here believe that?
Heard it with me own two little ears... I believe he made strong emphasis to the fact of Danny being an honest person. Don't recall the details. And here we thought Jim Gilley was going to do some house cleaning.Whether he believes what he says he sure made sure the stockholders in the pews believed what he said.
The 3ABN defenders can speak for themselves.
Of course even though I heard it myself this is only my opinion and evil surmising and twisting of the facts.
Unfortunately, I was correct in my prediction:
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=15221&view=findpost&p=214050
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From the eBay Sales Conrtoversy? thread:
"They will need far more than they have now to take care of all the issues that lay ahead"
Gailon Arthur Joy (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,565.msg8677.html#msg8677)
Did I misunderstand the intent of this reply, Gailon? It appeared to me to be a reference that you intended to bring more actions (suits/countersuits/subpoenas/etc.) that would cause 3abn to have to hire even more attorneys.
We have not and do not intend to bring any other suites against 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton, Exclusively.
However, some victims have retained other counsel and are looking at collateral claims that have nothing to do with Massachusetts. Some of those are more serious than others, but are likely to lead to substantial awards if litigated. With any sense, 3ABN simply negotiates resolutions and pays handsomely to bring silence to those claims as expediantly as possible.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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How do things like that relate to the lawsuit against you and Bob Pickle?
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To the degree that we have supporting documentation and statements to support those actions or at least to steer others to the direction of the great mines of information available, that sums it up. I doubt that there would be any basis for us to be parties, but again, 3ABN can save a lot of time and money by resolving them before they become fires. They know better than we where the smoke is, but they must take a more progressive attitude to resolve the issues and dowse them with water rather than let them smolder.
The marriage issue smoldered until the fanned flames of a remarriage re-kindled the old issues into a firestorm. They have a serious public relations problem that a little evidence would have resolved quickly and efficiently, but would rather go behind Linda's back and destroy her reputation with inuendo and slander. This form the THREE ANGELS messenger!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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With any sense, 3ABN simply negotiates resolutions and pays handsomely to bring silence to those claims as expediantly as possible.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Perhaps this is how the 3ABN/IRS issue was handled.
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With any sense, 3ABN simply negotiates resolutions and pays handsomely to bring silence to those claims as expediantly as possible.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Perhaps this is how the 3ABN/IRS issue was handled.
Time and the truth will be relevant at the right time.
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Wonder if...well time will tell.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Inappropriate sentence removed. - Daryl Fawcett, Administrator.
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With any sense, 3ABN simply negotiates resolutions and pays handsomely to bring silence to those claims as expediantly as possible.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Perhaps this is how the 3ABN/IRS issue was handled.
Time and the truth will be relevant at the right time.
I just loved the way that Gregory has fallen all over himself to brown-nose himself out of being added to this case. Wonder if...well time will tell.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon Arthur Joy
Wonder if... the worm has turned?
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With any sense, 3ABN simply negotiates resolutions and pays handsomely to bring silence to those claims as expediantly as possible.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Perhaps this is how the 3ABN/IRS issue was handled.
Time and the truth will be relevant at the right time.
I just loved the way that Gregory has fallen all over himself to brown-nose himself out of being added to this case. Wonder if...well time will tell.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon,
I was getting a little confused. Gregory semed to leave the impression in his post that you agreed with his "analysis" of the law case. I wasn't seing in his long post anything but OBFUSCATION, and MISDIRECTION, and was wondering how you could agree with him on such "expert opinions" coming from someone uninformed and lacking expertise to make legal pronouncements and to assess a case. He seemed to have reached a tentative conclusion on the suit, and I was wandering how could this happen given that you are not even done with the discovery phase because of the very desperate efforts made by Danny Shelton's attorneys to keep you away from evidence that would prove that you were right. You know, I HATE when people play on both sides of the fence.
Eduard
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With any sense, 3ABN simply negotiates resolutions and pays handsomely to bring silence to those claims as expediantly as possible.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Perhaps this is how the 3ABN/IRS issue was handled.
Time and the truth will be relevant at the right time.
I just loved the way that Gregory has fallen all over himself to brown-nose himself out of being added to this case. Wonder if...well time will tell.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon,
I was getting a little confused. Gregory semed to leave the impression in his post that you agreed with his "analysis" of the law case. I wasn't seing in his long post anything but OBFUSCATION, and MISDIRECTION, and was wondering how you could agree with him on such "expert opinions" coming from someone uninformed and lacking expertise to make legal pronouncements and to assess a case. He seemed to have reached a tentative conclusion on the suit, and I was wandering how could this happen given that you are not even done with the discovery phase because of the very desperate efforts made by Danny Shelton's attorneys to keep you away from evidence that would prove that you were right. You know, I HATE when people play on both sides of the fence.
Eduard
Our side of the fence is very expensive and time consumming. There are few men or women of character that want to play regardless of the price. There are few that have the strength of character or are battle hardened enough to handle the "stress".
But a time is coming when this battle is nothing compared to the great conflict, politically and legally that will be poured upn the heads of Seventh-day Adventists, or at least the Remnant that has the fortitude and spiritual connection that is so neccasary to get through that conflict. It is sson approaching and we must all examine ourselves to see if we have the characters that are neccasary to walk away from all the comforts of life, even means of earthly support and cling to the Rock of Our Salvation.
That is the real test and therefore, what we have seen demonstrated in these not so complicated issues should be an opportunity for us to reflect upon where we stand and do we have the Rock Foundation essential to survive that crisis on the Right Side of the Fence.
My Perspective.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Time and the truth will be relevant at the right time.
I just loved the way that Gregory has fallen all over himself to brown-nose himself out of being added to this case. Wonder if...well time will tell.
Gailon Arthur Joy
I really do not think that there is any need for me to do anything to prevent myself from being added as a defendant to the lawsuit. I am advised that such, without my permission, would not be an easy task to accomplish at this point in time. It simply is not something that I need to worry about.
Further, I am told that it is not necessary. I am informed that any competent 3-ABN attorney could easily obtain any information that they wanted from me in a simple deposition, if they know the right questions to ask me, and that is an "if." As I am not a licensed attorney the legal doctrine of "attorney-client" privilege does not cover any conversations that people may have had with me. One might ask if there is any other kind of confidentiality that would prevent me from responding to questions in a deposition. That might exist and it might not. In any case, I am informed that it would not cover any question directed to me in which the owner of the confidentiality had discussed that issue with others either in a pubic or a private manner. Let me give an example: Let is say that Bob an I had a private conversation as to whether or not GAJ was being funded by a 3-ABN Board member who wanted to become the new CEO after Danny left. If Bob were to discuss that conversation with me either publicly or privately it would be considered by the Court to be a waiver of any confidentiality by Bob. Under those circumstances, 3-ABN would likely be fully allowed to depose me and the court would require me to reveal what Bob had told me about GAJ's funding source.
NOTE: The above is an illustrative example and is not based upon any fact. Bob has never informed me that GAJ is being funded by a 3-ABN Board member and I have no reason to think that GAJ is so funded.
Folks, I am informed that if 3-ABN were to depose me and if they knew enough to ask the right questions I would have to answer any question that I was asked and primarily because the important issues have been discussed either publicly or privately with people under circumstances in which immunity could not now be claimed.
Why am I making this public statement? Because of Gailon's post about me. Some posts I will ignore. Others, at least after a time, I will respond. It should be noted that some of my responses may embarrass people.
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Time and the truth will be relevant at the right time.
I just loved the way that Gregory has fallen all over himself to brown-nose himself out of being added to this case. Wonder if...well time will tell.
Gailon Arthur Joy
I really do not think that there is any need for me to do anything to prevent myself from being added as a defendant to the lawsuit. I am advised that such, without my permission, would not be an easy task to accomplish at this point in time. It simply is not something that I need to worry about.
Further, I am told that it is not necessary. I am informed that any competent 3-ABN attorney could easily obtain any information that they wanted from me in a simple deposition, if they know the right questions to ask me, and that is an "if." As I am not a licensed attorney the legal doctrine of "attorney-client" privilege does not cover any conversations that people may have had with me. One might ask if there is any other kind of confidentiality that would prevent me from responding to questions in a deposition. That might exist and it might not. In any case, I am informed that it would not cover any question directed to me in which the owner of the confidentiality had discussed that issue with others either in a pubic or a private manner. Let me give an example: Let is say that Bob an I had a private conversation as to whether or not GAJ was being funded by a 3-ABN Board member who wanted to become the new CEO after Danny left. If Bob were to discuss that conversation with me either publicly or privately it would be considered by the Court to be a waiver of any confidentiality by Bob. Under those circumstances, 3-ABN would likely be fully allowed to depose me and the court would require me to reveal what Bob had told me about GAJ's funding source.
NOTE: The above is an illustrative example and is not based upon any fact. Bob has never informed me that GAJ is being funded by a 3-ABN Board member and I have no reason to think that GAJ is so funded.
Folks, I am informed that if 3-ABN were to depose me and if they knew enough to ask the right questions I would have to answer any question that I was asked and primarily because the important issues have been discussed either publicly or privately with people under circumstances in which immunity could not now be claimed.
Why am I making this public statement? Because of Gailon's post about me. Some posts I will ignore. Others, at least after a time, I will respond. It should be noted that some of my responses may embarrass people.
For the record, you could be added at any time, given specific facts regarding your early defense of Linda and your analysis. All of this would clearly open up any "privilege" issues as there has been far too much said both publicly and semi-privately regarding the early marriage issues.
You have not been added by this side so far as the weight of the evidence in contention can be brought in without you. Why Danny did not add you, particularly when he made it clear he was suing four people and you were one of the four, is open to speculation, like it or not. There may have been made a definite decision to try and limit the scope of the case early on by counsel. We have good information that the board refused to move forward on the brother, despite the fact that he was originally proposed to be a party plaintiff. It is also likely that your credentials may have been a bit too far for even the 3ABN board.
Or it could possibly be that your careful, clear effort to walk the fence also made a clear difference.
And by the way, our refusal to use the standard gamebook approach to this particular case was for very specific strategic reasons, all of which I believe you were aware of. Those "plays" can be rolled out at any time and will be done in their good time. But, the ripeness of certain claims needs to be firmly established and we are most nearly there.
SO, banter on and we will use our own gamebook as it is appropriate. The heavy artillery will be rolled out in time when it can be used to the best benefit of all the parties, and when it is clear just how "flakey" some of the "parties" can be. You have certainly played a decisive roll in that process and we thank you for it. It has been claritive, to say the least.
Gailon Arthur Joy