Former Fairfax minister arrested for molesting children (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/fairfax/former-fairfax-minister-arrest.html)
Ex-Pastor Accused of Sexual Assault (http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/local/expastor-accused-of-sexual-assault-031810)
Former Dunn Loring Pastor Charged With Sexual Abuse (http://www.fcnp.com/news/6122-former-dunn-loring-pastor-charged-sexual-abuse/)
Ex-Pastor Accused Of Sexual Assault In Va. (http://wjz.com/wireapnewsva/Former.Va.pastor.2.1573075.html)
The video on the second link mentions SDA Church. Sigh.... :hot:
Maggie
Distressing, very, but at least the truth and justice can be done for all involved now, and the proper authorities are taking care of it in the right way. I will be praying for all involved and their families, and yes that does include Tommy.Why is it "distressing?
(Pickle you might want to check out the reporting ethics in those articles you site. At this point the difference is like night and day when compared to you, and they aren't claiming to work for God... )
How many media outlets are going to cover this story before it's over? And how much of this sordid saga will they cover?
It must be pretty hard for him right now. We can remember everyone involved in prayer.
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Former Fairfax minister arrested for molesting children
A Kentucky man who formerly was pastor of a Fairfax County church in the 1990s has been arrested by Fairfax police for allegedly molesting two boys in the mid-1990s, Fairfax police said Thursday.
Shelton. (Fairfax Police)
Tommy Shelton, 64, was the pastor of Community Church of God at 2500 Gallows Rd. in the Dunn Loring area, from 1995 to 2000, police said.
In 2008, two men approached Fairfax police and reported that they had been sexually assaulted by Shelton. One man said he had been molested when he was 12 to 14 years old, and the other man said he was 8 to 9 years old when he was molested, police said.
There is no statute of limitations on such crimes in Virginia.
Police obtained warrants in February charging Shelton with two counts of aggravated sexual battery, two counts of indecent liberties with a minor, and sodomy. Shelton, who now lives in Marion, Ky., surrendered Tuesday to Fairfax police, and was being held in the Fairfax jail Thursday in lieu of $80,000 bond.
-- Tom Jackman
In light of the act that Simpson just admitted that our reporting about Danny's cover up of the Tommy allegations framed the original basis of the lawsuit, I think it affects it quite a bit. If the police had enough evidence to charge, then certainly there was enough evidence for us to report.And don't think that the news media doesn't know about victims in other areas, either.
And the standard is different between the two. The police in Illinois had to work within the statute of limitations. We didn't have to. Neither do the police in Virginia. So we could report on and the police in Virginia could charge for allegations as old as necessary.
As far as whether Tommy is declared guilty or not, time will tell. But there are a lot of potential witnesses that can demonstrate a pattern of conduct spanning decades. That will not bode well for Tommy Shelton, formerly of Kid's Time.
I wonder what Brenda Walsh has to say about all of this now?
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What's The Crime Scene all about? . . .
Crime & Justice . . .
* The Post's Crime Coverage . . .
Former Fairfax minister arrested for molesting children
A Kentucky man who formerly was pastor of a Fairfax County church in the 1990s has been arrested by Fairfax police for allegedly molesting two boys in the mid-1990s, Fairfax police said Thursday.
Shelton. (Fairfax Police)
Tommy Shelton, 64, was the pastor of Community Church of God at 2500 Gallows Rd. in the Dunn Loring area, from 1995 to 2000, police said.
In 2008, two men approached Fairfax police and reported that they had been sexually assaulted by Shelton. One man said he had been molested when he was 12 to 14 years old, and the other man said he was 8 to 9 years old when he was molested, police said.
There is no statute of limitations on such crimes in Virginia.
Police obtained warrants in February charging Shelton with two counts of aggravated sexual battery, two counts of indecent liberties with a minor, and sodomy. Shelton, who now lives in Marion, Ky., surrendered Tuesday to Fairfax police, and was being held in the Fairfax jail Thursday in lieu of $80,000 bond.
-- Tom Jackman
I wonder if someone will bail him out with $80,000 so that he will not have to spend his time in the Fairfax jail until the case has been tried in court? Why should he have to be in jail before the judge has pronounced him guilty or not guilty?
Wonder if the evangelist minglers still want to mingle in their brother off shoots? Wonder why LS had to sign to keep her quiet before the money?
It appears LS knew quit a lot and it was repulsive to her..it appears.
Then there was the difference between LS son and Brandy's girls in treatment....
LS helped build 3abn and it was half hers.
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BTW, did anyone else see the video of the reporter asking Glenn Dryden why he never went to the police? ;D
truth of fact really got your dander up didn't it.
IF Danny does not own it then what's he doing there?? Why doesn' LS share in the loot? Fact is, it's coming down to the wire very shortly. and you keep on trying to protect the whole mess. You should see the signs if your at least smart.
The words "charged" and "accused" in the newspapers should tell everyone that TS has not been pronounced "guilty" by the Courts. So better reserve your pronounced judgments as the Court hasn't made their decision yet. So until they do, TS is innocent of all charges.
In light of the act that Simpson just admitted that our reporting about Danny's cover up of the Tommy allegations framed the original basis of the lawsuit,
Quote from: Bob Pickle link=topic=1801.msg22811#msg22811
But now that Simpson has admitted that the lawsuit was originally based on Danny's cover up of the Tommy allegations, then he has also basically admitted that he did obstruct discovery when he claimed that the Tommy allegations weren't relevant.
Don't be obtuse. We aren't. Your claim that Danny Shelton and 3ABN covered up allegations of sexual abuse of children was just one of the MANY false allegations which you made and which were enumerated in the lawsuit and were defamation per se. You can try and drum up and find allegations against TS to your dying day or judgment day (whichever comes first) but whether they are true or false that doesn't prove one single thing as far as your claims that DS and 3ABN covered them up as far as the lawsuit is concerned, they just aren't relevant!
You are obsessed with the issue and justice? Fine! then let the police and the social workers and Tommy's church handle it, and help them find the truth and do so, that is their job, and it is your moral job to help them, but don't pretend your witch hunt against D.S, and 3ABN helps any children or stops any sexual crimes! It doesn't! They acted on what they knew, not what you claim to!
You are helping NONE, and hurting MANY. And no matter what you argue, the ends just don't justify the means.
The following letter was sent by Pastor Glenn Dryden to 3ABN board chairman Dr. Walter Thompson in May 2003. The reply he received was a threatening letter from 3ABN attorney Mike Riva.
Pastor Dryden
1345 Ezra Street
West Frankfort IL 62896
Dear Pastor Dryden:
Please be advised that I represent Tommy Ray Shelton and have been directed to contact you concerning actions you have taken against him which are slanderous and libelous and calculated to deprive him of his right to earn a living...
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Possible way to win 3ABN critics.
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:04:53 -0600
From: Walt Thompson
Dear Bob,
Thank you for you attempt to understand my sensitivity and that of 3abn administratin and board. We believe we have acted responsibly and wisely, appropriate to the circumstances. While one can always be criticized after the fact and without all of the evidence then available for consideration, often those same critics would have made similar judgments had they been there.
As I recall the events of 2003, I received a call from Brad Thorp from the General Conference telling me of Pastor Dryden's accusations. Brad appropriately told me that it was not his concern, and that it was ours to handle. As I recall, I contacted pastor Dryden and heard his side of the story following which I received the letter that is circulating. I was at 3abn at the time and spoke at length with Danny about the matter. He shared with me the details as he understood them. Whether or not I was aware of what generated the letter at that time, I do not remember. Based upon my understanding that Dryden had had a long standing feud with Tommy over factors unrelated to the above accusations, it did not seem indicated to approach the boys in question directly, having been informed that no case had ever been filed with the courts or legal disposition made. We then discussed the situation with the full board. Given the alleged events had occured many years before, attempts had been made to make things right, and no legal action had been taken, we did not see any reason to pursue the issue further nor to follow through with his recommendations. In my reply to pastor Dryden I merely thanked him for fulfilling his obligation to us. (I will make this one further comment. Whereas there are many accusations on the Internet alledging that Danny cannot be trusted, I disagree. I have known Danny now since the beginning of the ministry. Now more than 23 years. I have been fully appraised of many of the difficulties that he has faced during that time. While Danny sees things from his perspective, as we all do, he is honest and trustworthy. I have found no reason to distrust his reports to me. Yes, there are occasions when after having spoken with both sides of an issue it has been a matter of he said vs she said, but in all situations where I could know the facts, Danny has proven true.)
Subsequently, after this issue has been brought back to the forefront (I think there is only one person who could have known about this and brought it to world wide attentionm, and that person was then on the board and voted with the concensus) I contacted the only person from the Chruch of God that I could find that knew about the situation, and who had been present and witness to the events. (Accept for pastor Dryden's personal accounts, there are apparently no other records of the allegations) The picture that was painted by that leader of the Church was exactly as portrayed earlier by Danny. Dryden was jealous of Tommy and was out to get him - a jealousy that has continued to the present. I was again informed that the DA knew about the allegations and not finding a basis, refused to act against Tommy. I have been informed that the Church of God is a congregational type or organization with different jurisdictions in different states and that there was no higher authority that I could speak with to resolve the issue further. It was not entirely clear to me how that worked. I was also told that one leader pestered Tommy over and over again until Tommy voluntarily gave up his ministerial license. These are the facts as I have been able to sort them out...
I hope this is helpful to you.
I would like to request that you not circulate this letter, but that you merely summarize and varify its contents.
Sincerely,
Walt
You are obsessed with the issue and justice? Fine! then let the police and the social workers and Tommy's church handle it, and help them find the truth and do so, that is their job, and it is your moral job to help them, but don't pretend your witch hunt against D.S, and 3ABN helps any children or stops any sexual crimes! It doesn't!
QuoteI am speaking in a general sense here. Would it be possible to discuss this privately between all of you? Does all this have to be aired for all the world to see?
One way to look at it is that there is a very easy way to shut all of the discussion down regarding Tommy, Danny, and 3ABN. All we need is for Danny to make certain choices, and it's all over.
Thus far he hasn't wanted to do that. I hope he changes his mind soon before it gets any worse.
If Danny makes certain choices, the discussion about Tommy and child molestation charges and keeping other kids safe will shut down? Did I really just read that? This is just about Danny?
And the choice is what?
Maybe I should have worded that better. There may need to be choices made by several others too.
The average person looking on can probably describe what sort of choices need to be made, and what don't need to be made.
If the choices that need to be made had been made long ago, we wouldn't be discussing any of this today.
Quote
Say it like this. It wouldn't just "go away" for the children (now adults) that Tommy molested ...
You are absolutely right.
But if there were some apologies and appropriate steps taken regarding the 3ABN personnel that were involved in deceit and cover up regarding this issue, then while some may have to live with it all to the end of their days, these issues would disappear from such widespread, public scrutiny.
It is the persistant refusal to make amends that drives this public exposure.
And don't think that the news media doesn't know about victims in other areas, either.
On a related note, our good friend Steffan has stated that Tommy Shelton has had NO contact with either of the men involved in the current case. I knw one of them personally, and he has had contact with him for years. Steffan is delusional, and spitting in the wind.
BTW, did anyone else see the video of the reporter asking Glenn Dryden why he never went to the police? ;D
You ignored his request and published his letter. Worse you lied about what he said. He wrote the above (blue italicized text) You reported falsely:
"On November 27, 2006, the 3ABN board chairman, Dr. Walt Thompson, essentially admitted in writing that Danny had been involved in a cover up of these allegations around May of 2003."
What was their work? That they are able to get the $80,000.
Hmm, Ian so your telling me that TS and wife did not work or take any money at the 3abn site. Funny I thought I saw them working on there. and what office did he hold? What was their work? That they are able to get the $80,000. Taking in children, adoptions, foster care which was it. They must have been the volunteers that DS claimed. Right! That really is a biggie for me as I cannot imagine a woman knowing the faults of her husband to go and do such a thing to jeopardize another child??? let alone willfully subjecting her own children for so many years to the possibilities of this let alone the embarrassment. Love nor high water, If there would have even been a whiff of knowing that was a problem as a woman she had responsibility of this. Now I feel she is as guilty for taking in another child and letting this go down. Talk about being angry with this!! this is where I stand no matter what you say. There is no excuse, no room, and no lies here. I see in you no sympathy for victims and ruination of young children. That would come very close to me doing the ultimate. I really do not understand sickos getting on here standing up for this. Believe one thing, when he comes to a jury outside the SDAs the people will not be finding excuses for his guilt. But will deliver. The next in line will be the downfall of the protectors and mam that is what links the whole mess. Unfaithful in one thing ..unfaithful in all. You will see it fall like dominos. unless they chose to stop the public view of this horrific saga and let responsible honest christians take over. But you see a deceiver will not give up his greed until forced. Watch close how it will proceed. Each pattern has its ending....
Thank You Gregory,
That does seem unusually low for that type of crime. ($2,000 range)Seems that most on tv arrested for this conduct have to post maybe $250,000 to million. I figured likewise for most his was high and that was the cash part but thanks for claryfying.
The arrest of TS has nothing to do with 3ABN and Danny Shelton. Half of what you posted is not true!!
God's work will go on no matter what you try to do to stop it. There is NOTHING you can do to stop it. Keep trying--I am here to tell you I serve a STRONG God and you will LOSE in the end if you continue to try to stop 3ABN and the work that is being done there.
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school. Does anyone know if that is a fact?
In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer? He put away his wife and married another. The another he married had been put away.
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school. Does anyone know if that is a fact?
In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer? He put away his wife and married another. The another he married had been put away.
And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.
Bob and Gailon-- Your posts to Junebug again reveal how ignorant you are and how you say the falsest things about people as if you know what you are talking about and actually believe you do.
I know her, and I know from your posts that you are clueless about her...
And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.
Danny said on the air that it was everyone's business, to a point. He said that in 2004. And since in America marriage licenses and divorce records are public record, then your statement is false.
[Bob and Gailon-- Your posts to Junebug again reveal how ignorant you are and how you say the falsest things about people as if you know what you are talking about and actually believe you do.
I know her, and I know from your posts that you are clueless about her...
Then I suppose you could inform everyone what sort of teacher Junebug is.
Now honestly, Cindy, what do you think about a teacher who claims to be a conservative Adventist who can't bring herself to say that even if the minor was "consenting," it was still wrong, Tommy needed to go, and Danny was wrong in covering it all up?
How would you as a parent or grandparent feel if your kids or grandkids were being taught by Junebug?
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school. Does anyone know if that is a fact?
In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer? He put away his wife and married another. The another he married had been put away.
First Grat, you would need to know what if anything was the problem between Brandy and Danny. It is obvious from your post here that you are clueless or you would not have written what you did. You really should imo learn to ask questions and get the facts before judging another, and if you don't have them, learn to keep your mouth shut. And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.
Ian - Why would I need to know the problems between Brandy and Danny when I NEVER said anything about their divorce. You are reading much into what I said that simply was not there. You need to slow down and take a deep breath sometimes and read only what was written. DS Put Away His Wife (Linda) and married a divorced woman (Brandy). So where did I judge anyone? Then in another post you accuse me of "lies and false accusations". Is it a lie that TS was living in Marion Ky and working in a school? Was it a lie that DS divorced LS and married Brandy a divorcee? Maybe you should be the one to learn to "keep your mouth shut" when you don't know what you are talking about.
Bob, I know Lee also, and I know what she meant with her question ( not statement of her belief) to you, and I know she was asking about the age of consent, ...
Are you either going to tell us what he claimed or give us the link to the video, or are you just playing games here?
Are you either going to tell us what he claimed or give us the link to the video, or are you just playing games here?
Ok, Ian. Since you asked so nicely, here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/yffwlbc
Do you think Dryden will share some information at some point about going/not going to the authorities back then? Maybe in the court room?I hope he is forced to answer that at some point. The reporter in the video actually asked that at my suggestion. It really infuriates me that he was such a coward after so proudly stating in that letter that he had information on 6 boys who had been molested. Dryden is the type that just wants to make sure that everything goes through him so he can know what's going on. As recently as 2 days ago he was STILL calling at least one of the victims giving suggestions about what to do. The man disgusts me.
According to a report I found TS was living in Marion KY working in a school. Does anyone know if that is a fact?
In regards to adultery issue, would not DS be a double adulterer? He put away his wife and married another. The another he married had been put away.
First Grat, you would need to know what if anything was the problem between Brandy and Danny. It is obvious from your post here that you are clueless or you would not have written what you did. You really should imo learn to ask questions and get the facts before judging another, and if you don't have them, learn to keep your mouth shut. And no, I am not going to tell you anything about it, it's not your business imo.
Ian - Why would I need to know the problems between Brandy and Danny when I NEVER said anything about their divorce. You are reading much into what I said that simply was not there. You need to slow down and take a deep breath sometimes and read only what was written. DS Put Away His Wife (Linda) and married a divorced woman (Brandy). So where did I judge anyone? Then in another post you accuse me of "lies and false accusations". Is it a lie that TS was living in Marion Ky and working in a school? Was it a lie that DS divorced LS and married Brandy a divorcee? Maybe you should be the one to learn to "keep your mouth shut" when you don't know what you are talking about.
Do you think Dryden will share some information at some point about going/not going to the authorities back then? Maybe in the court room?I hope he is forced to answer that at some point. The reporter in the video actually asked that at my suggestion. It really infuriates me that he was such a coward after so proudly stating in that letter that he had information on 6 boys who had been molested. Dryden is the type that just wants to make sure that everything goes through him so he can know what's going on. As recently as 2 days ago he was STILL calling at least one of the victims giving suggestions about what to do. The man disgusts me.
Bob, I know Lee also, and I know what she meant with her question ( not statement of her belief) to you, and I know she was asking about the age of consent, ...
By her question Lee very clearly indicated that she thought a minor "consenting" could make a difference. No Bible-believing Adventist that I know of would think that a minor "consenting" would make a difference.
Lee has had more than two years, I think, to set the record straight that she did not mean that. She repeatedly refused to do so on BlackSDA, and she has refused to do so anywhere else as far as I am aware of. Correct me if I am wrong.
Do not know who anyone on here is except 4 ...neither Ian except she suggests on posts that she is very close to the "clan" possibly a paralegal or spends her time looking at law and either she or I are off on understanding of how the courts work and their extreme concoctions.
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him [that which is] wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy [is], shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days; And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, [if] the witness [be] a false witness, [and] hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.And those which remain shall hear, and fear, and shall henceforth commit no more any such evil among you.
Bob, I know Lee also, and I know what she meant with her question ( not statement of her belief) to you, and I know she was asking about the age of consent, ...
By her question Lee very clearly indicated that she thought a minor "consenting" could make a difference. No Bible-believing Adventist that I know of would think that a minor "consenting" would make a difference.
Lee has had more than two years, I think, to set the record straight that she did not mean that. She repeatedly refused to do so on BlackSDA, and she has refused to do so anywhere else as far as I am aware of. Correct me if I am wrong.
Bob, I have no idea what was ever said or not said about it in the last few years, nor do I feel the need to go research that. That isn't the point, You asked me, so I answered and corrected your misunderstanding as I long ago was talking to her both before and after the post you refer to and I know what was meant.
This is just as I said, you ask, but don't listen to the answer and just continue claiming and believing what you choose based on your own opinion anyway. Your choice, but it is both ridiculous and not right imo.
Quote from: ianBob, I have no idea what was ever said or not said about it in the last few years, nor do I feel the need to go research that. That isn't the point, You asked me, so I answered and corrected your misunderstanding as I long ago was talking to her both before and after the post you refer to and I know what was meant.
This is just as I said, you ask, but don't listen to the answer and just continue claiming and believing what you choose based on your own opinion anyway. Your choice, but it is both ridiculous and not right imo.
Now I really am moving on, and am getting off this rabbit trail. You can join me, or not..
Then until Lee has the courtesy and conviction to backtrack on her morally reprehensible statement, or somehow explain how the obvious meaning of her words wasn't really what she meant, we'll have to assume that she still believes that if a minor was consenting, that somehow makes a difference.
I would suggest that you inquire of Lee to see if she still staunchly defends Tommy and Danny Shelton. If she does, that in itself would suggest that her moral compass has gone awry.
The words "charged" and "accused" in the newspapers should tell everyone that TS has not been pronounced "guilty" by the Courts. So better reserve your pronounced judgments as the Court hasn't made their decision yet. So until they do, TS is innocent of all charges.
So how did you happen to be talking to the reporter mentioned, Duane?
I am sure that is an interesting part of this story which more than myself is wondering about.
So how did you happen to be talking to the reporter mentioned, Duane?
I am sure that is an interesting part of this story which more than myself is wondering about.
She called some relatives of mine and asked that I call her, which I did.
I will point out that the Biblical standard is in fact found in Matthew 18 where the standard for a witness is two, you and one other. It is also established in Levitical law in the Old Testament.
But, now I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.
Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.
As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?
There is no known trust.. yet...there are filed 990's and there is a Post Nuptial Agreement executed under the direction of Tim Neubauer, counsel for Danny in the Shelton vs Shelton case until appointed an Illinois Judge. There is clearly conflicting information and is now part of a new divorce proceeding. It has clear relevance to the settlement between the parties. It obviously may have relevence in the Shelton vs Shelton pending case as well. And it will certainly go to the issue of credibility.
I can certainly understand how you would be befuddled...I am as well. Why would one, knowing he had a second divorce almost inevitable, so inevitable it required a post nuptial agreement, make even more statements under his seal that clearly conflict with the official record??? And with the first divorce still open???? Profound indeed!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Gailon, the 990 filed with the IRS has a Schedule J, but Part III is blank.
A discussion site in West Frankfort, IL
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G)
A discussion site in West Frankfort, IL
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G (http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G)
It doesn't sound like 3ABN is very well thought of in some quarters.
I notice a reader in Indiana thinks these are false alarms since only two people have complained. I wonder how many victims are needed before a criminal can be convicted?
I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.
Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.
As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter[/font]
Because an anonymous person gave a link to Mr Pickle's website and another anonymous person took a potshot at the Shelton family? There are also many quarters where 3abn and the Sheltons are very well thought of. I am sure George can confirm that.But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.
There's also a recent article on topix about a WF man arrested for allegations of child pornography. They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...
Because an anonymous person gave a link to Mr Pickle's website and another anonymous person took a potshot at the Shelton family? There are also many quarters where 3abn and the Sheltons are very well thought of. I am sure George can confirm that.But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.
There's also a recent article on topix about a WF man arrested for allegations of child pornography. They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...
I have a riddle for you: We have a 2008 IRS Form 990 filed with Illinois and indicates the 48 acres across from Linda’s old Homestead was gifted by 3ABN to Danny Lee Shelton. We have another 990 that does not seem to disclose the Schedule J.
Now we have a Post Nuptial Agreement done by Danny Lee Shelton with Brandy in 2008 that declares that Danny Lee Shelton took the proceeds of the sale of the old homestead to James Gilley and purchased the land for $96,000.
As to the credibility of witnesses, can you explain to me which one is lying?
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter[/font]
There are not enough clues to solve this riddle. There is no way to make any determination about the legal status of most of the line items on a 990. There are however a variety of other ways to report income, land transfers, sales of goods and property, that are legally done using forms that are not required to be made public. Pickle and Joy do not have access to those things and are not likely to gain access.
Any presumption of lying or foul play based on only the bits claimed to be in evidence by Mr Joy is therefore unjustified, unwarranted, and premature, ie; mere surmising and evil surmising at that.
3d
Gailon, the 990 filed with the IRS has a Schedule J, but Part III is blank.
And why don't you explain how this relates to non-compete agreements???
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
They generally don't think very well of that kind of thing in WF either, and despite all the talk on topix and on Mr Pickle's website there are no complaints or allegations filed against Tommy Shelton in Illinois... Nor do I see anything linking the 2 men in Virginia to 3abn...
There are not enough clues to solve this riddle.
But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.
Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.
Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.I agree with you to a point. I've always known this was a personal vendetta issue with Dryden. He's a smooth talker and some who haven't know him for years as I have haven't seen through it yet. But they will.
So now we can pray for all and allow justice to take it's course.
But there HAVE been charges filed in Virginia. That old line is dead and gone now.
Which is as it should be if the charges are legit, and should have been done long ago rather then all the National enquirer reporting by Pickle and the personal vendettas he and Dryden have been engaging in which helped no one.
Could you please explain yourself? Are you trying to say that if the statute of limitations has run out, that it is evil and wrong to protect kids?
And why didn't you, Cindy Ann Conard, report the allegations against Tommy to the authorities, if you really think such was required in this case?
Sounds like my post got your feathers ruffled Mr. Joy. That is too bad because it was sent in good faith. The Lord God of Heaven knows.
But all your blasting of Bible verses will not make DS guilty of adultery, no matter how much you seem to think he has. You can murder a reputation, you can even kill the body, but you will NEVER EVER be able to hurt the soul that knows it is right with the Lord.
Re: Tommy...
Postby Synthian » Thu Mar 25, 2010 6:11 am UTC
Duane asked me the following on adventtalk.
QuoteRe: Tommy Shelton arrested!
« Reply #97 on: Yesterday at 05:21:44 PM »
Ian, am I to understand I'm being accused of changing my story over at your site?
Duane Clem
No, that was not my intention. I may have worded my post badly. If so, I apologize.
When I said:Quote(Why he said anything against Tommy to Pickle when he did is a different story as he started out on BSDA attacking Dryden and Pickle and had actually always defended Tommy up till then.)
I simply meant , it is a different part of the story then the part which I was trying to relate, and a separate issue from the one I was addressing with Odie.
To further clarify. I was explaining to her that 3abn could not have known about you or the letters between yourself and Tommy when Dryden wrote to 3abn in 2003 because the letters were not written until 2005. And I was further attempting to clarify that you never made any statement against Tommy nor made his letter public until you talked to Pickle on BSDA, a week after Tommy retired from 3abn (Dec 31, 2006).
All 3abn would have known about you, if anything, was what others knew, ie; that you had been one of those who had defended Tommy and had to all appearances been his friend all those years.
I was also trying to clarify the following, as the topic was actually about the 2 allegations of child abuse in Virginia, leading to the charges filed against TS there.QuoteNow you say : "it is obvious from the letter he [TS] has a problem in this area" What area area you speaking of? It is certainly not obvious to me he had a problem with child molestation from that letter. Clem was nineteen or twenty , yes a young man, but certainly not a child back in 1984 when the alleged wrong relationship occurred.
If I have portrayed anything inaccurately in what I have posted here in this thread, you are more than welcome to set the record straight on either forum, Duane. I would like to be as accurate as is possible.
...ian
Quote(Why he said anything against Tommy to Pickle when he did is a different story as he started out on BSDA attacking Dryden and Pickle and had actually always defended Tommy up till then.)
To further clarify. I was explaining to her that 3abn could not have known about you or the letters between yourself and Tommy when Dryden wrote to 3abn in 2003 because the letters were not written until 2005.
And I was further attempting to clarify that you never made any statement against Tommy nor made his letter public until you talked to Pickle on BSDA, a week after Tommy retired from 3abn (Dec 31, 2006).
QuoteNow you say : "it is obvious from the letter he [TS] has a problem in this area" What area area you speaking of? It is certainly not obvious to me he had a problem with child molestation from that letter. Clem was nineteen or twenty , yes a young man, but certainly not a child back in 1984 when the alleged wrong relationship occurred.
I hope this is helpful...What would be helpful is for you to stop trying to psycho-analyze everything I write and referring to an email I sent to Tommy which has never been made public. I don't even have a copy anymore. This thread is about Tommy, not me.
I am new to this site, and I would like clarification on 3abn(?)
Danny had the gall to replace Linda, the alleged spiritual adulteress, with Tommy, the alleged pedophile, and allow Tommy to play the piano for Kid's Time.
It's not easy for these guys to come forward and file a complaint and press charges.
I am new to this site, and I would like clarification on 3abn(?) I am only concerned about this situation concerning Tommy Shelton, because Dunn Loring Community Church of God was my home church when I was growing up-60's and early 70's. At that time Jennings Byron Wood was the Pastor. I cannot imagine anything like this occurring with his knowledge. I feel sorry for the young men, both in Illinois and here in Virginia and I hope there have not been any more boys hurt where he has been living since he left Virginia. I feel saddened that a cover up has been done, but unfortunately I am afraid that it is probably not the only one, in any of our Protestant ??? Churches. Sin does not keep itself to only one church. Thankfully, Jesus Christ died for our Sins,BUT that does NOT mean we have to be STUPID and allow pedophiles around our children. ::)
It's not easy for these guys to come forward and file a complaint and press charges.
Has there been any indication that some of them might have thought of doing it?
It's not easy for these guys to come forward and file a complaint and press charges.
Has there been any indication that some of them might have thought of doing it?
Oh, I'm sure a lot of them have thought about it many times over the years.
Now that Tommy has been arrested and may do time, the harassment from the Tommy and Danny defenders may not be as loud as before, and may be less inhibiting.
It was in pursuing some of these questions that a friend and I discovered on August 14, 2006, that Pastor Glenn Dryden of Dunn Loring had sent a letter to Walt Thompson in 2003 when he was pastor of the Ezra Church of God in Illinois. That letter informed Walt Thompson, the 3ABN Board chairman, that Tommy had molested six boys. Dryden got a reply from a 3ABN attorney threatening legal action, "even if the actions did occur." At that point we realized that 3ABN and Danny Shelton had some pretty serious issues, not to mention Tommy.
Wasn't Tommy Shelton on 3ABN accompanying young boys on music programs during that time period?
Danny had the gall to replace Linda, the alleged spiritual adulteress, with Tommy, the alleged pedophile, and allow Tommy to play the piano for Kid's Time.
It seemed to me that he continued to accompany for Kid's Time, including playing with young boys who were soloing, for some time.
EXCITING NEWS!! This Sabbath, March 27 NEW Kids Time Praise programs will begin to air! There will be a NEW program that airs EVERY Sabbath for the next 51 weeks! It has been almost 5 years since we have had any new Praise programs so this is a big "Praise the Lord! Please spread the word! Air Times are: 7am and 5 pm CST (Central Standard Time)
-- Posted by Brenda Walsh on Kids Time on 3ABN -March 23 2010, at 3:33pm
It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.
The only allegations which have ever been mentioned in Illinois that I know of are the ones from the Church of God in the early to mid 80's. One was reported and the police investigated it --it involved nothing physical whatsoever--
and they did not file anything as they claimed they had nothing to proceed with. Dryden spoke of 3 in Illinois only - all at the Church of God there.
The DA allegedly knows about them and has for quite some time and reportedly said there was nothing to proceed with or act on.
Let's start with your repeated misrepresentation and falsehood to the newest member here, and implication that 3abn threatened the Pastor of the Church of God in Virginia in response to his letter to them about TS.
That 3abn's reply to Dryden was to merely thank him for fulfilling his obligation to them, and that the letter from the Attorney ( dated a month later) stated he was representing Tommy Shelton and was concerning actions Dryden had taken against him (Tommy) which were slanderous and libelous and calculated to deprive him of his right to earn a living.
Let's start with your repeated misrepresentation and falsehood to the newest member here, and implication that 3abn threatened the Pastor of the Church of God in Virginia in response to his letter to them about TS.
I never said that 3ABN threatened Dryden.
"The following letter was sent by Pastor Glenn Dryden to 3ABN board chairman Dr. Walter Thompson in May 2003. The reply he received was a threatening letter from 3ABN attorney Mike Riva."http://www.save-3abn.com/glenn-dryden-to-walt-thompson-may-2003.htm
I said that a 3ABN attorney threatened Dryden. And that's precisely how Dryden described it to me: Dryden said he got a reply from a 3ABN attorney writing on behalf of Tommy.
It's a fact that Riva has represented 3ABN in the property tax case and other matters.
-------- Original Message --------
From: Glenn Dryden
To: Bob
Subject: Re: blacksda.com POSTING
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 20:25:25 -0500
Dear Bob,
I am sure we share similar emotions regarding this matter. Perhaps an argument may be made for the criticism you have received regarding the e-mail postings, but I should tell you that they have served to make me comfortable communicating with both you and Mr. Joy and if they serve to put pressure on Danny and Tommy, you may carry the criticism as a badge of commendation.
You should know that I have FAXed to Mr. Joy a copy of Mr. Riva's letter to me dated June 13, 2003, along with excerpts from my reply to Mr. Riva.
....
You may make public my 2003 letter to Dr. Thompson and action items (which were compiled by the congregation of the Ezra Church of God) and may note that the action items were also sent to Mike Riva, Tommy's attorney, with my reply to his letter of June 13, 2003. You may note that I gave you my permission to do so.
...
Pastor Glenn Dryden
Now the question is, who paid the bill for Riva to write that letter? If I had to guess, I'd say 3ABN paid for it, not Tommy.
That 3abn's reply to Dryden was to merely thank him for fulfilling his obligation to them, and that the letter from the Attorney ( dated a month later) stated he was representing Tommy Shelton and was concerning actions Dryden had taken against him (Tommy) which were slanderous and libelous and calculated to deprive him of his right to earn a living.
It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.
There are allegations of sexual misconduct against 3ABN employee(s), and allegations of sexual misconduct on the premises of 3ABN.
The only allegations which have ever been mentioned in Illinois that I know of are the ones from the Church of God in the early to mid 80's. One was reported and the police investigated it --it involved nothing physical whatsoever--
How would you know? How many of the alleged victims have you interviewed?
QuoteDryden spoke of 3 in Illinois only - all at the Church of God there.His 2003 letter referred to 6, not 3
Good! Then let the record show that When 3ABN received the letter from Glenn Dryden they did not in fact threaten him.
You never said, meant or intended to give the impression or to imply that the letter from the Attorney was the reply from 3ABN to Glenn Dryden, right Bob???
It is a fact he was not representing 3ABN when he wrote to the Church of God Pastor in 2003.
It is a fact he represents others also and in this instance he was representing Tommy Shelton as he said.
Further it does not appear you are telling the truth here, for even Dryden said as I just did.
Quote from: BobNow the question is, who paid the bill for Riva to write that letter? If I had to guess, I'd say 3ABN paid for it, not Tommy.
Then you would be wrong. You shouldn't surmise, Bob. Especially without any valid reason to
It is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.
There are allegations of sexual misconduct against 3ABN employee(s), and allegations of sexual misconduct on the premises of 3ABN.
Do not play your word games with me and cause confusion here, Mr Pickle. We are not talking about your unproven infidelity claims against anyone at 3abn who catches your focus. This topic is about Tommy Shelton and allegations of child molestation.
I know of no child molestation victims to interview Mr Pickle.
I do know you yourself posted about Brad Dunning, and I am going by what is documented about that and speaking of that.
If you did your homework there you would not need to ask me for proof of what the police and DA say. You would already know.
Quote from: BobQuoteDryden spoke of 3 in Illinois only - all at the Church of God there.His 2003 letter referred to 6, not 3
That is not my understanding, as three were alleged to be in Virginia and one of them a minor by Dryden himself,but I will leave you to prove that. IF you can.
QuoteQuoteQuoteIt is very telling that despite Pickle looking high and low, there are zero complaints, allegations, or accusations filed or even gossiped about that Tommy Shelton ever molested or abused one single child on 3abn property while employed by 3abn, whether while he was working in the tape archives or whether during his short stint in the position Linda was in before his retirement in Dec 2006, or during any other time he was at 3abn.
There are allegations of sexual misconduct against 3ABN employee(s), and allegations of sexual misconduct on the premises of 3ABN.
Do not play your word games with me and cause confusion here, Mr Pickle. We are not talking about your unproven infidelity claims against anyone at 3abn who catches your focus. This topic is about Tommy Shelton and allegations of child molestation.
My statement was specifically talking about Tommy Shelton, not Tammy, not Tammy, not Danny, not Melody, not anyone else.
QuoteI do know you yourself posted about Brad Dunning, and I am going by what is documented about that and speaking of that.
So you do know of one after all. Why not contact him?
Let's start with your repeated misrepresentation and falsehood to the newest member here, and implication that 3abn threatened the Pastor of the Church of God in Virginia in response to his letter to them about TS.
I never said that 3ABN threatened Dryden.
Good! Then let the record show that When 3ABN received the letter from Glenn Dryden they did not in fact threaten him. They actually did the opposite. 3ABN thanked him for fulfilling his obligation to them.
Good! Then let the record show that When 3ABN received the letter from Glenn Dryden they did not in fact threaten him.
The record does not show that. Further discovery would be required before drawing that conclusion.
But the original point is that Dryden referred to 6 minors in Illinois before he moved to Virginia and discovered the 3 alleged victims (1 minor) there.
Was it about child molestation allegations?
Because he already made his statement 26 years ago and it was already investigated by both the police and the Church of God and resolved then.
It is very difficult to ever pinpoint exactly what you actually are saying at any given time or to consider you in anyway credible or honest when you insist on these kinds of arguments.
But he never reported it as the law required him to?
Did you ever report any of it to either child protection services or law enforcement?
If so, when and where did you do that? and what did they tell you? If not? WHY didn't you?
I am afraid that I have to pursue the same line of questioning. Why wasn't Tommy Shelton turned in to authorities in Illinois? Or if he was, did they do nothing because of the notoriety? Was there a coverup on their part? Does the Shelton Family or 3abn have that much pull in that area to be able to do that? I realize that I don't know all the circumstances or the area government workings. But please fill me in. :help:
... instead of either of you doing what is required and letting the proper authorities handle it? This possibly could have all been resolved way before now.
Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.
Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.
I never said any such thing. The youngest I currently know about is Alex Walker, brother of Brad Walker, Tommy's son-in-law. He's one of the two who went to the authorities in Virginia. And he's far from being 38.
Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.
I never said any such thing. The youngest I currently know about is Alex Walker, brother of Brad Walker, Tommy's son-in-law. He's one of the two who went to the authorities in Virginia. And he's far from being 38.
We really need to keep everyone in prayer: Tommy, his wife, his kids, their families. It's all so embarrassing and devastating. We also need to keep each alleged victim in prayer because this kind of thing can resurrect all the pain and bad memories buried for so long. And we also need to keep Danny and 3ABN in prayer, and everyone else who helped to cover up Tommy's vile deeds.
The Lord is plenteous in mercy and ready to forgive, if we lay our sins and perplexities at the foot of Calvary, and follow the Bible's conditions for receiving the blessing of God.
Niiiiice, have their names been released and made public already, or did you just throw them under the bus?
and so I was referring to you saying the following in this thread (Reply #105 Yesterday at 06:44:22 PM )
"There are quite a few alleged victims from Illinois. I don't know any from Illinois that are younger than 38."
Somehow you failed to mention that this is Brad's adopted brother that came to his parents home as a foster child and then they later adopted. The Walkers have been foster parents to a large number of children and also adopted quite a few of them. You also failed to mention that he was known in his own family as a habitual liar and that at one time, even Glen Dryden said he wasn't credible. Maybe that last statement escaped Dryden's memory.
As for your facade of sympathy to pray for these people....how stupid do you think people are?
After years of emails, phone calls and letters between you, these men and Glen Dryden, you finally succeed in getting charges pressed.
The truth doesn't matter as long as your vendetta's succeed.
Then you have the audacity to come here and ask for prayer for the man and his family that you have worked so hard to "set up"?
The above didn't even address the fact that most people's reaction is "what does this pickle guy have to do with anything"? Of course the answer is that Pickle doesn't have any first hand knowledge of any thing. Pickle doesn't personally know the man he accuses or his family. Pickle doesn't personally know the men he has persuaded to make these charges. Pickle is not a social worker, an attorney, a member of law enforcement or even a reporter. So, what in the world is he doing involved of something of this nature?
ANSWER: His tireless quest to try and bring down Danny Shelton and 3ABN. Yet another person that Pickle has never met, and has no personal knowledge of. He has never even been to 3ABN.
Disgusting, Sam. Very disgusting.Bob Pickle who claims to know all said the youngest alleged victim he knows of is 38, so it is obvious that whatever allegations exist they must all date back to the time 3abn was just being built or started.
I never said any such thing. The youngest I currently know about is Alex Walker, brother of Brad Walker, Tommy's son-in-law. He's one of the two who went to the authorities in Virginia. And he's far from being 38.
We really need to keep everyone in prayer: Tommy, his wife, his kids, their families. It's all so embarrassing and devastating. We also need to keep each alleged victim in prayer because this kind of thing can resurrect all the pain and bad memories buried for so long. And we also need to keep Danny and 3ABN in prayer, and everyone else who helped to cover up Tommy's vile deeds.
The Lord is plenteous in mercy and ready to forgive, if we lay our sins and perplexities at the foot of Calvary, and follow the Bible's conditions for receiving the blessing of God.
Somehow you failed to mention that this is Brad's adopted brother that came to his parents home as a foster child and then they later adopted. The Walkers have been foster parents to a large number of children and also adopted quite a few of them. You also failed to mention that he was known in his own family as a habitual liar and that at one time, even Glen Dryden said he wasn't credible. Maybe that last statement escaped Dryden's memory.
As for your facade of sympathy to pray for these people....how stupid do you think people are? You bring all the dirty innuendo and accusations to the internet and make it public. Then you contact these men from "heresay" that you have worked diligently to get, give them your version of things and all your twisted thinking and information and try to get them to "do the right thing" and come forward. After all there could be some money in it for them..right? Look how much the Catholic church paid out to alleged victims. After years of emails, phone calls and letters between you, these men and Glen Dryden, you finally succeed in getting charges pressed. The truth doesn't matter as long as your vendetta's succeed. Then you have the audacity to come here and ask for prayer for the man and his family that you have worked so hard to "set up"?
The above didn't even address the fact that most people's reaction is "what does this pickle guy have to do with anything"? Of course the answer is that Pickle doesn't have any first hand knowledge of any thing. Pickle doesn't personally know the man he accuses or his family. Pickle doesn't personally know the men he has persuaded to make these charges. Pickle is not a social worker, an attorney, a member of law enforcement or even a reporter. So, what in the world is he doing involved of something of this nature?
ANSWER: His tireless quest to try and bring down Danny Shelton and 3ABN. Yet another person that Pickle has never met, and has no personal knowledge of. He has never even been to 3ABN.
Bob Pickle, if you think that people don't smell the stench of this set up, you are badly mistaken.
Fear of just this sort of thing is why most abuse victims, children and adults, will never come forward and speak of it.Exactly right, George. Unfortunately for Sam, 3d, Nosir, Steffan and all the others, intimidation and threats don't work with me. There's nothing that they can do to keep me quiet, so they'll have to deal with that.
Fear of just this sort of thing is why most abuse victims, children and adults, will never come forward and speak of it.Exactly right, George. Unfortunately for Sam, 3d, Nosir, Steffan and all the others, intimidation and threats don't work with me. There's nothing that they can do to keep me quiet, so they'll have to deal with that.
I think they're just mad because they all look like fools now and they can't seem to do anything to erase it.
It's interesting to me that the 3ABN defenders' response to Tommy Shelton's child molestation charges is to vilify Linda Shelton.
You can tell how desperation has set in as never before. Look at all the old topics they're trying to resurrect. Deter and distract, the same tactics that have been used for years around 3ABN. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Hopefully the board will finally open their eyes and have the courage to deal with this once and for all before 3ABN goes the way of the PTL Club.
The threads on West Frankfort Topix and Benton Topix appear to be gone.Interesting. I wonder if a phone call was made from Thompsonville requesting their removal.
Probably not. I'm guessing communications from legal representation.The threads on West Frankfort Topix and Benton Topix appear to be gone.Interesting. I wonder if a phone call was made from Thompsonville requesting their removal.
I applaud those who have spoken out on this site, who have been victims of TS. I am sorry for what he has has put you thru. No child should have to go thru what you did,especially by someone who represents the Lord Jesus. Please do not give up. TS will be brought to justice. :amen:
I applaud those who have spoken out on this site, who have been victims of TS. I am sorry for what he has has put you thru. No child should have to go thru what you did...
Bob Pickle claimed:
"I have been to 3ABN, and I have first hand knowledge of some things about all of this. Moreover, I have sat in meetings where instruction was given about churches avoiding liability. Therefore, when Walt informed me that he never contacted any of the alleged victims or their families or the two ordaining associations as Dryden invited him to, and that he had instead relied on what Danny told him, even though what Danny told him could not possibly be true, I knew a grave mistake had been made which potentially threatened 3ABN and the Illinois Conference, and I wasn't about to keep quiet about the utter irresponsibility of Danny Shelton in the matter."
Was this a very recent trip, Pickle? Because you were most certainly not there before that! You do not have any personal knowledge of 3ABN! You have never met Danny Shelton! You have never met Dr Thompson, and any meetings you sat in on were not at 3ABN, and you are not a witness to anythingthat was discussed in any meeting at 3ABN! Barely anything has even been said to you about it! and because of your character and actions it is a safe assumption to make that no further answers or explanations will ever be given again to you by anyone at 3ABN.
Bob Pickle claimed:
"I have been to 3ABN, and I have first hand knowledge of some things about all of this. Moreover, I have sat in meetings where instruction was given about churches avoiding liability. Therefore, when Walt informed me that he never contacted any of the alleged victims or their families or the two ordaining associations as Dryden invited him to, and that he had instead relied on what Danny told him, even though what Danny told him could not possibly be true, I knew a grave mistake had been made which potentially threatened 3ABN and the Illinois Conference, and I wasn't about to keep quiet about the utter irresponsibility of Danny Shelton in the matter."
Was this a very recent trip, Pickle? Because you were most certainly not there before that! You do not have any personal knowledge of 3ABN! You have never met Danny Shelton! You have never met Dr Thompson, and any meetings you sat in on were not at 3ABN, and you are not a witness to anythingthat was discussed in any meeting at 3ABN! Barely anything has even been said to you about it! and because of your character and actions it is a safe assumption to make that no further answers or explanations will ever be given again to you by anyone at 3ABN.
I think it seems odd that you would take what Bob Pickle said and assume that he was claiming what you tried to refute. Just very strange to me because that is not what was said.
Was this a very recent trip, Pickle?
You have never met Danny Shelton!
You have never met Dr Thompson, ....
... and any meetings you sat in on were not at 3ABN, and you are not a witness to anythingthat was discussed in any meeting at 3ABN!
Barely anything has even been said to you about it! and because of your character and actions it is a safe assumption to make that no further answers or explanations will ever be given again to you by anyone at 3ABN.
Excuse me mrs53, Tommy Shelton has already been brought to "justice." Complaints were filed, a warrant was issued, he surrendered to the police and was charged and arrested, and will now be able to face his accusers and they and he have the right to a fair trial.
Quote3abn_defender wrote: Excuse me mrs53, Tommy Shelton has already been brought to "justice." Complaints were filed, a warrant was issued, he surrendered to the police and was charged and arrested, and will now be able to face his accusers and they and he have the right to a fair trial.
3ABN_Defender, from your statement that I have quoted above, it is obvious that you have no concept of the meaning of the term justice. Tommy Shelton has not been brought to "justice" he has merely entered into the first step of procedures in the justice system that will lead to him being prosecuted for pedophilia. Since Tommy has been charged and arrested, the District Attorney must believe that there are legitimate grounds to persue prosecution. As far as justice is concerned, it is his victims that deserve retributive justice under the law. Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that punishment, if proportionate, is a morally acceptable response to crime. "Let the punishment fit the crime" is the principle that the severity of penalty for a misdeed or wrongdoing should be reasonable and proportionate to the severity of the infraction. What is a reasonable penalty for victimizing and stealing the innocence of a child? Not one child, but multiple children? Jesus said: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6)
justice definition
jus·tice (jus?tis)
noun
1. the quality of being righteous; rectitude
2. impartiality; fairness
3. the quality of being right or correct
4. sound reason; rightfulness; validity
5. reward or penalty as deserved; just deserts
6.
1. the use of authority and power to uphold what is right, just, or lawful
2. the personification of this, usually a blindfolded goddess holding scales and a sword
7. the administration of law; procedure of a law court - Webster law dictionary
Brought to trial (Redirected from Brought to justice)
Brought to trial means to calendar a legal case for a hearing, or to bring a defendant to the bar of justice. The simplest definition is "the commencement of the trial in a court by formally calling and swearing in of the witnesses to initiate the trial proceedings." However, much like Pro-rata, it has several different, ambiguous meanings and examples used in the law. To bring to trial is when the process is ongoing. Most often, the terms brought to trial, bring to trial, brought to justice and bring to justice refer to the prosecution at trial of alleged war criminals and political prisoners, as well as those accused of treason or misprision of treason, sexual assault, and other infamous crimes
Fifth amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth amendment
'In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
Fourteenth amendment - Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
INNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF
The indictment or formal charge against any person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty.
I realize that you have chosen not to comment on my statement referring to one of Tommy's many victims being a Shelton. Would you also brand him a liar?
Was this a very recent trip, Pickle?
I was by 3ABN in 2008.
You have never met Danny Shelton!
I first met Danny (and Melody) Shelton in 1984. He and I also spoke in person in 2002. Danny and I corresponded in 2006 about some of the allegations floating around, and Danny confirmed that one of the allegations was indeed true, that he was trying to hide his book royalties until after his marital property case was over
You have never met Dr Thompson, ....
Whether it was in 2002 or 2004 or 2006, we were right next to each other at ASI. We also corresponded more than once, and also spoke together more than once on the telephone. Dr. Thompson
I have just stated very clearly several things that I know first hand. I know first hand what Danny and Walt told me, because they told it to me, not to someone else. And the issue has often been what they told me.
Justice?
It may take many years like in a case where "he" forced himself on 8 and 12 year old relatives. Those minors later made various attempts to avoid further contact with "him", including seeking help from parents - to no avail. When it finally dawned on some of them that something was seriously wrong they did not feel they could reveal such secrets to any Seventh-day Adventist pastor. Finally a courageous relative talked to a Lutheran pastor who was very understanding. The pastor demanded of "him" to appear at a meeting where he was confronted with his devilish acts.
"He" replied that he had no idea that he had done anything wrong. "But in case I have done something I should not have done, then I apologize." He had, of course, just done what he needed.
The Lutheran pastor explained that even though he no longer could be sent to prison because the time limit had expired, the words of Scripture, the standard of Christian faith, condemned him as a criminal, just like a murderer. That he had ruined the lives of his own relatives, and therefore "he" was still guilty. The Lutheran pastor told him the only way he could now come to an appeasement with his own family was if he would ask for professional help.
This gave him a slight measure of cure. From then on he - as far as is known - never approached minors, only adults and managed to get their consent beforehand. This, of course, did not satisfy the family and it ruined his home.
When I came to that area some time after this I was the first Seventh-day Adventist pastor who heard what had happened. I talked to the Lutheran pastor and thanked him for what he had done. We enjoyed talking together, also about the Seventh-day Adventist church.
Justice? Cure? Is it possible?
Sister you and I see justice very differently. To me justice is not a "trial by media" (lynch mob mentality) and condemnation and verdicts of guilt only. I know what I meant and referred to, and this is it:
Quotejustice definition
jus·tice (jus?tis)
noun
1. the quality of being righteous; rectitude
2. impartiality; fairness
3. the quality of being right or correct
4. sound reason; rightfulness; validity
5. reward or penalty as deserved; just deserts
6.
1. the use of authority and power to uphold what is right, just, or lawful
2. the personification of this, usually a blindfolded goddess holding scales and a sword
7. the administration of law; procedure of a law court - Webster law dictionary
QuoteBrought to trial (Redirected from Brought to justice)
Brought to trial means to calendar a legal case for a hearing, or to bring a defendant to the bar of justice. The simplest definition is "the commencement of the trial in a court by formally calling and swearing in of the witnesses to initiate the trial proceedings." However, much like Pro-rata, it has several different, ambiguous meanings and examples used in the law. To bring to trial is when the process is ongoing. Most often, the terms brought to trial, bring to trial, brought to justice and bring to justice refer to the prosecution at trial of alleged war criminals and political prisoners, as well as those accused of treason or misprision of treason, sexual assault, and other infamous crimesQuoteFifth amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth amendment
'In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
The above from the bill of rights are applied to each State by the 14th amendment.
QuoteFourteenth amendment - Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
QuoteINNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF
The indictment or formal charge against any person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty.
3-d
He certainly didn't say "he was trying to hide his book royalties until after his marital property case was over" as you claim. That is what you say he said, while the e-mail from him says nothing of the kind!
Sister you and I see justice very differently. To me justice is not a "trial by media" (lynch mob mentality) and condemnation and verdicts of guilt only.
Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that punishment, if proportionate, is a morally acceptable response to crime. "Let the punishment fit the crime" is the principle that the severity of penalty for a misdeed or wrongdoing should be reasonable and proportionate to the severity of the infraction. What is a reasonable penalty for victimizing and stealing the innocence of a child? Not one child, but multiple children? Jesus said: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6)
Re: Tommy...The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally. And, Kay, Danny's first wife, was killed when her van was broadsided, not hit head on.
Post by 3abn_defender » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:01 pm UTC
Sister wrote:QuoteQuote3abn_defender wrote: Excuse me mrs53, Tommy Shelton has already been brought to "justice." Complaints were filed, a warrant was issued, he surrendered to the police and was charged and arrested, and will now be able to face his accusers and they and he have the right to a fair trial.
3ABN_Defender, from your statement that I have quoted above, it is obvious that you have no concept of the meaning of the term justice. Tommy Shelton has not been brought to "justice" he has merely entered into the first step of procedures in the justice system that will lead to him being prosecuted for pedophilia. Since Tommy has been charged and arrested, the District Attorney must believe that there are legitimate grounds to persue prosecution. As far as justice is concerned, it is his victims that deserve retributive justice under the law. Retributive justice is a theory of justice that considers that punishment, if proportionate, is a morally acceptable response to crime. "Let the punishment fit the crime" is the principle that the severity of penalty for a misdeed or wrongdoing should be reasonable and proportionate to the severity of the infraction. What is a reasonable penalty for victimizing and stealing the innocence of a child? Not one child, but multiple children? Jesus said: "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." (Matthew 18:6)
Sister you and I see justice very differently. To me justice is not a "trial by media" (lynch mob mentality) and condemnation and verdicts of guilt only. I know what I meant and referred to, and this is it:
Quotejustice definition
jus·tice (jus?tis)
noun
1. the quality of being righteous; rectitude
2. impartiality; fairness
3. the quality of being right or correct
4. sound reason; rightfulness; validity
5. reward or penalty as deserved; just deserts
6.
1. the use of authority and power to uphold what is right, just, or lawful
2. the personification of this, usually a blindfolded goddess holding scales and a sword
7. the administration of law; procedure of a law court - Webster law dictionary
QuoteBrought to trial (Redirected from Brought to justice)
Brought to trial means to calendar a legal case for a hearing, or to bring a defendant to the bar of justice. The simplest definition is "the commencement of the trial in a court by formally calling and swearing in of the witnesses to initiate the trial proceedings." However, much like Pro-rata, it has several different, ambiguous meanings and examples used in the law. To bring to trial is when the process is ongoing. Most often, the terms brought to trial, bring to trial, brought to justice and bring to justice refer to the prosecution at trial of alleged war criminals and political prisoners, as well as those accused of treason or misprision of treason, sexual assault, and other infamous crimesQuoteFifth amendment
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Sixth amendment
'In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
The above from the bill of rights are applied to each State by the 14th amendment.
QuoteFourteenth amendment - Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
QuoteINNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF
The indictment or formal charge against any person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty.
Sister wrote:QuoteI realize that you have chosen not to comment on my statement referring to one of Tommy's many victims being a Shelton. Would you also brand him a liar?
You have a long history with your posts, so I wouldn't hesitate to brand you a liar, but why would I brand "him" one? I don't even know who this person is or even if he exists or if this even occurred, outside of gossip and slander, or your imagination. I do know "if" this happened, then your person never turned Tommy in when Tommy never attended counseling for being a pedophile as you state the ultimatum was, and I know if push comes to shove that his counselor who knows what he was getting help for could testify to that, and there are zero allegations or complaints filed by your unnamed Shelton, so it appears unlikely your story is true.
I must however express my surprise that you would actually post here under the name of Sister again and think you have any credibility at all after all your boasting about never being identified, and then having Danny confront your husband at the ASI convention about how disappointed he was in you both that you would spread such lies. Even going so far as to you and Johann accusing him of murdering his first wife. When the truth is she was killed instantly when her vehicle was stuck head on by another one, and it's a miracle that their daughter wasn't. Your days of claiming to come and go and observe and report and be a witness even at Shelton family gathering are over and exposed for the lies they were, and your "Unauthorized 3abn history" is in the trash where it deserves to be.
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3-d
Edited to remove inappropriate content. Abide by the rules here, 3D, or don't come back.
My comment. This is a straw man argument and has nothing to do with determining either Tommy's guilt or innocense, although this kind of thing can sure stir up a mob.Justice?
It may take many years like in a case where "he" forced himself on 8 and 12 year old relatives. Those minors later made various attempts to avoid further contact with "him", including seeking help from parents - to no avail. When it finally dawned on some of them that something was seriously wrong they did not feel they could reveal such secrets to any Seventh-day Adventist pastor. Finally a courageous relative talked to a Lutheran pastor who was very understanding. The pastor demanded of "him" to appear at a meeting where he was confronted with his devilish acts.
"He" replied that he had no idea that he had done anything wrong. "But in case I have done something I should not have done, then I apologize." He had, of course, just done what he needed.
The Lutheran pastor explained that even though he no longer could be sent to prison because the time limit had expired, the words of Scripture, the standard of Christian faith, condemned him as a criminal, just like a murderer. That he had ruined the lives of his own relatives, and therefore "he" was still guilty. The Lutheran pastor told him the only way he could now come to an appeasement with his own family was if he would ask for professional help.
This gave him a slight measure of cure. From then on he - as far as is known - never approached minors, only adults and managed to get their consent beforehand. This, of course, did not satisfy the family and it ruined his home.
When I came to that area some time after this I was the first Seventh-day Adventist pastor who heard what had happened. I talked to the Lutheran pastor and thanked him for what he had done. We enjoyed talking together, also about the Seventh-day Adventist church.
Justice? Cure? Is it possible?
Sister...think you have any credibility at all after all your boasting about never being identified, and then having Danny confront your husband at the ASI convention about how disappointed he was in you both that you would spread such lies. Even going so far as to you and Johann accusing him of murdering his first wife.
Taken from 3ABN's Property Tax Case, Danny Shelton, witness, September 23, 2002, as reproduced on the Save-3ABN site:QuoteQ. Good morning, Mr. Shelton.
A. Good morning.
Q. Can you tell us your full name and address for the record this morning?
A.. Danny Lee Shelton. I live at ****************.
And later, while giving testimony as to his work and position at 3ABN:QuoteSuddenly I thought about Moses and the bible
who had been away from the people for 40 years, was 80
years old when he took the call and his previous wife
had been murdered and yet God used him.
I was confused by this.
Where in the Bible does it say that Moses had a previous wife that was murdered?
Sister...think you have any credibility at all after all your boasting about never being identified, and then having Danny confront your husband at the ASI convention about how disappointed he was in you both that you would spread such lies. Even going so far as to you and Johann accusing him of murdering his first wife.
I think we all remember that amazing point when Danny Shelton said in court that Moses' first wife had been murdered. See below.Taken from 3ABN's Property Tax Case, Danny Shelton, witness, September 23, 2002, as reproduced on the Save-3ABN site:QuoteQ. Good morning, Mr. Shelton.
A. Good morning.
Q. Can you tell us your full name and address for the record this morning?
A.. Danny Lee Shelton. I live at ****************.
And later, while giving testimony as to his work and position at 3ABN:QuoteSuddenly I thought about Moses and the bible
who had been away from the people for 40 years, was 80
years old when he took the call and his previous wife
had been murdered and yet God used him.
I was confused by this.
Where in the Bible does it say that Moses had a previous wife that was murdered?
Diane,
3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.
I would like to say I think you have misunderstood.. Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.
Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...
What I am about is 3ABN in this instance. Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that. Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..
~ Cindy
The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
HYPOCRITE! Cindy, I dare you to go back and review everything on your smut site and then see if you can honestly stand by these statements. You certainly have a double standard. You know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
But thank you, as you and your multiple personalities here are just adding fuel to my case.
As for 3D not being able to respond here, I'm willing to bet you will do a superb job of answering for him...wink, wink... ;) ;)
Diane,
3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.
I would like to say I think you have misunderstood.. Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.
Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...
What I am about is 3ABN in this instance. Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that. Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..
~ Cindy
Bite me..
And Snoopy is right.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
HYPOCRITE! Cindy, I dare you to go back and review everything on your smut site and then see if you can honestly stand by these statements. You certainly have a double standard. You know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
But thank you, as you and your multiple personalities here are just adding fuel to my case.
As for 3D not being able to respond here, I'm willing to bet you will do a superb job of answering for him...wink, wink... ;) ;)
Diane,
3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.
I would like to say I think you have misunderstood.. Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.
Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...
What I am about is 3ABN in this instance. Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that. Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..
~ Cindy
Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle?
For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that. Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later
Sometimes, especially when people don't speak clearly there are errors in transcripts. I know there have been several in the lawsuit, that even Pickle brought up. It makes much more sense if you consider that what was being conveyed about Moses was that in his previous *life* he was a *murderer*
Bite me..Quote from: Admin GeorgeIan, foul language and crass references to your nether regions are absolutely forbidden on this forum. You should go wash your mouth out with soap. You will keep a civil tongue when speaking here, or you will not speak here at all. You will not be warned again.
Wiktionary:
bite me Interjection
(idiomatic) An expression of discontent or aggravation to another party.
bite me interjection
* a command, similar to "Go to ..." (i.e. "Leave me alone!" "Go away!" etc.) Note: not considered especially vulgar, but usually considered inappropriate in more formal settings. --online slang dictionary.
Usuage: usually said in reply to an insult.
"your computer is slower than dirt", "bite me"
No, thank you. Did I hit a nerve?
I was tempted to delete this post, but I think I'll leave it here so all can see your true colors.
Toodles...Bite me..
And Snoopy is right.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
HYPOCRITE! Cindy, I dare you to go back and review everything on your smut site and then see if you can honestly stand by these statements. You certainly have a double standard. You know EXACTLY what I am talking about.
But thank you, as you and your multiple personalities here are just adding fuel to my case.
As for 3D not being able to respond here, I'm willing to bet you will do a superb job of answering for him...wink, wink... ;) ;)
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.
But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you. Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.
But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you. Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle?
After all this time, you still don't get it? Call risk management for any school or denomination out there. Ask them, "If I hear that someone has accused someone of child molestation, but the person has never been charged or convicted, I can't be sued if a child gets molested? Or if I do get sued, I can't lose, right?"
Whether Tommy is convicted or acquited is utterly irrelevant as far as Danny Shelton and 3ABN's incompetence in this matter is concerned!
For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that. Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later
The letter I have always referred to is Glenn Dryden's May 2003 letter to Walt Thompson, which invited Walt to contact the alleged victims, their families, and the ordaining organizations. Walt inexcusably failed to contact any of them.
One of those alleged victims was Roger Clem, who came forward before Dryden wrote his letter. When Roger wrote his letter to Tommy is irrelevant.
The allegations against Tommy were made ..years ago. They were reported to the proper authorities. No physical actions ever occured. Tommy appologized to the kids and offered recompence. The DA said there was no case. No restrictions were ever imposed. Tommy is employed by 3abn with full board approval, knowing the facts.
You in fact don't have any idea if they took precautions due to the allegations or not.
Why can't you comprehend that 3ABN did not engage in any cover up, especially of things which were not even known such as the two allegations leading to Tommy's arrest.
You have only Dryden's claim about that.
Whereas you also have the claim thatQuoteThe allegations against Tommy were made ..years ago. They were reported to the proper authorities. No physical actions ever occured. Tommy appologized to the kids and offered recompence. The DA said there was no case. No restrictions were ever imposed. Tommy is employed by 3abn with full board approval, knowing the facts.
The board apparently checked into and verified those facts, ....
... did you ever bother to check with the DA, to check with the authorities and even try to understand the facts from all those years ago in regards to what was reported and why no charges were ever filed?
Did you actually think I was going to answer that?I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.
But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you. Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
Ok, I meant no offense, let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.
Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton) in all the time that you have known him?
Yes___ No____
Did you actually think I was going to answer that?I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.
But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you. Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
Ok, I meant no offense, let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.
Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton) in all the time that you have known him?
Yes___ No____
Yes____ No____
Again, I'm not going to answer that, other than to say that I never said I went on camping trips with him. You're asking questions that I just don't feel the need to answer on the board. BTW, I won't answer over PM, either.Did you actually think I was going to answer that?I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.
But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you. Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
Ok, I meant no offense, let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.
Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton) in all the time that you have known him?
Yes___ No____
Yes____ No____
Yes, I did. Why wouldn't you? Aren't we all interested in the truth here? You jumped in fast enough to reply to sisters claims that an unnamed shelton was molested and claimed he existed as you knew him.
Let me ask you something else here as long as we are on the subject of accusations against TS related to the allegation he's a pedophile.
You were a member of his Church from the time you were about seven yrs old, right? You attended the Church school there where he was, became close as a minor, and were counseled by him, and even went on camping trips with him. You objected to people saying you were molested by him as an adult on BSDA, claiming you had never said that. I understand that, but in all the time while you knew him as a minor, from 7 yrs old till you turned 18, did he ever molest or abuse you?
Again, I'm not going to answer that, other than to say that I never said I went on camping trips with him. You're asking questions that I just don't feel the need to answer on the board. BTW, I won't answer over PM, either.Did you actually think I was going to answer that?I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.
But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you. Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
Ok, I meant no offense, let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.
Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton) in all the time that you have known him?
Yes___ No____
Yes____ No____
Yes, I did. Why wouldn't you? Aren't we all interested in the truth here? You jumped in fast enough to reply to sisters claims that an unnamed shelton was molested and claimed he existed as you knew him.
Let me ask you something else here as long as we are on the subject of accusations against TS related to the allegation he's a pedophile.
You were a member of his Church from the time you were about seven yrs old, right? You attended the Church school there where he was, became close as a minor, and were counseled by him, and even went on camping trips with him. You objected to people saying you were molested by him as an adult on BSDA, claiming you had never said that. I understand that, but in all the time while you knew him as a minor, from 7 yrs old till you turned 18, did he ever molest or abuse you?
...Tommy Shelton was my pastor for many years at the Ezra Church of God in West Frankfort, IL. I began attending with my mother, sister and two brothers around 1974 or so, and my father became a Christian and began coming with us shortly after I graduated from high school in 1984. Tommy and I were never really close until I began attending the Christian school our church operated. Over the next few years, we would spend a lot of time talking, as I was dealing with depression issues and he was counseling me. When the General Assembly of the Church of God in Illinois decided to suspend Tommy's ministerial credentials in 1985, I was one of several who wrote a letter in his defense. I was also questioned by a detective at the West Frankfort Police Department. I had been on a few overnight trips with him, and gave testimony that nothing had happened that would substantiate the allegations being made against him. At the time, this was true...
Diane,
3ABN_defender can't reply here at the moment... for reasons posted elsewhere. I am not sure when or if he will ever be back.
I would like to say I think you have misunderstood.. Not one defender here has said Tommy is either guilty or innocent. That is for the courts to decide, right? What was being defended was his right to a fair trial and to face his accusers and give a defense before being judged. I think all have that right, even though few here have given him that right. I know for a fact he was never questioned once by the Detectives investigating and still hasn't been.
Sadly, you seem to have judged Tommy along with the rest here, but really you don't know all the details nor anything beyond what mostly Bob Pickle and Glenn Dryden have claimed, but if you are so sure and can pronounce Tommy guilty without hearing his defense, or even hearing the proven facts against him as established in a court of law, and not by a Bob Pickle? Then cast that first stone, or light the fire. That's all most of this forum is about anyway. If those stones get cast my way for trying to do and say the right thing, oh well...
What I am about is 3ABN in this instance. Pickle has falsely accused them in all of this and has used the accusations and allegations against Tommy to do that, many of those things he has mixed up or doesn't understand. . For example he's all along claimed that the 3ABN board should have in 2003 questioned one of the people making allegations as he wrote a letter to Tommy in 2003. He claimed Danny knew this and covered it up when he claimed that the allegations were all old. Pickle is wrong, and not just in that. Roger Clem didn't write his letter in 2003, he didn't write it until at least 17 mos later There is more, much more, and some is just lies, but the point is the truth is important for all involved..
~ Cindy
No, no, Cindy. I am not purely taking Bob's word on anything. I have not forgotten that there was an admission of guilt in the form of at least one letter of apology. His family knew, , his brother knew and still allowed him to be far too close to other people's children. I have also not forgotten that initially TS/DS supporters gave that
I am just curious, under what circumstances would you find TS not guilty if he was having sex or any inappropriate sexual behavior with a minor?
I guess I am asking because you said that I didn't know the details, and in my mind, if he has already admitted to this wrong doing, then there are no mitigating circumstances under which he would be found not guilty by the law. Plus having the authorities finding enough reason for arresting and chargin him after their extensive investigation. That is not just Bob's word. Truth is even if he considered the minor as "consenting"(which some of these poor misguided souls do), the law doesn't see it that way. He was the grown up and should have known better.[/color]
Cndy, I have to go with Bob on this one. In Calfiornia I know that teachers, pastors, etc. are responsible as reporting parties, and if it is found out that they didn't report they are in big trouble. If the law is the same in IL, then Danny placed not only the children in jeopardy, but also the careers of the reporting parties that worked at 3ABN. This is far more than some dirty little family secret.
Also, I don't believe you can use the excuse that this is just Bob's or Mr. Dryden's word any more. The authorities have acted on this. If anything, in this case, they are close to being right.
Well even if Danny was a Pastor (he's not) Danny and 3ABN had nothing to report. Nothing occured or happened in their care or under their watch. In fact, not just 3ABN, but no SDA conference Church or membership has any alleged victims of Tommy Shelton, nor complaints filed by any adult on behalf of a minor or child. Nothing.
Pastor Dryden, and Pastor Bob are the ones who claim to have all the facts but never reported it, Diane.
And even weirder as this all originated with Dryden (who sent all to Pickle) even The Church of God which Dryden pastored and where the alleged incidents were supposed to have occured in Virginia didn't have the info.
Pickle posted their board minute report, a meeting about 3 or 4 years after their Pastor (Dryden) had contacted 3ABN about Tommy, and they ( the VA church of God) consulted a lawyer and decided under his advice to treat all their Pastor was saying ( and Pickle was repeating and publishing)as hearsay, until and if they received a statement or complaint from an alleged victim.
I have been looking for that document and where it is filed and can't find it at the moment.
The 2 with the complaints against Tommy now apparently never made a statement or complaint , according to the new report till 2008.
You don't have to answer questions -from me... In any case you already answered my questions, in your email to Bob Pickle which has been published and filed in court, and. I just wanted to know if you were going to change that story now, or if there was cause to, so that all the facts are on the table.And just what is that supposed to mean? You really have a sick mind, you know that?
Ok, but TS was not arrested for having sex with a 19, 20 year old, but for pedophilia. And even in Duane's case, TS was a grown and married pastor, so he was just wrong out of the gate because is all those instances, he should have known better. At the very least, he abused his position of authority. So, Duane still has a point, even if you all want to only address once he became a consenting adult. However, I believe that is part of the issue, right?
I'll tell you what needs to stop. It's you and the rest of your whole wad defending this man. You claim you have never met him or any of the victims. Fine, Then DROP IT! I, for one, am sick and tired of your word games and fact twisting. You're here for one reason and one reason only, and that's to stir the pot. Well, you have your own site where all that kind of bilge seems to be welcome, so go do it there. Your defense of wrongdoing while all the time trying to convince everyone you just "want what's right" is disgusting.Ok, but TS was not arrested for having sex with a 19, 20 year old, but for pedophilia. And even in Duane's case, TS was a grown and married pastor, so he was just wrong out of the gate because is all those instances, he should have known better. At the very least, he abused his position of authority. So, Duane still has a point, even if you all want to only address once he became a consenting adult. However, I believe that is part of the issue, right?
Ok, now I just give up.
Everyone says Tommy's relationship with Duane was wrong on all accounts, even Tommy says that, but it has nothing to do with child molestation nor Tommy being a pedophile. The Duane thing has been used all along to cloud the issues and justify the allegations of child molestation against Tommy and to claim that Tommy admitted he was guilty of child molestation.. It needs to stop! It is a totally separate issue.
Yes he is charged now,but chargedt does not equal being guilty, believe me I know.
I was in an abusive marriage for 20 years and it was hard to escape when I called the police for help and was arrested myself as my husband lied, even when I had all the bruises etc.. My neighbors called and again I was arrested.
I had done Nothing! In one case it was dropped before I ever went to court, in another it was thrown out of court and dismissed at the arraignment.
These things happen.
Now people can jump up and say I was arrested for assault and accuse me all they want, but that doesn't make me guilty. ****************************************
but anyway-- believe as you choose. I have nothing else to say, except if we live in an age where a socalled investigation and charge indicates guilt before the accused is even heard from or a defence allowed and offered,then we have returned to the dark ages and inquisitions. I want no part of it.
Edited to remove inappropriate content.
The apology was to Duane Clem but it wasn't concerning anything which occured when Duane was underage, Duane was 19 or 20, so the apology is not really applicable to the allegation that Tommy is a pedophile or the allegations that he sexualy molested children or minors, or the claim that TS ever admitted to molesting or abusing a minor/child.
The DA said "No case"
I myself have taken a wait and see approach to it all.
I'll tell you what needs to stop. It's you and the rest of your whole wad defending this man. You claim you have never met him or any of the victims. Fine, Then DROP IT! I, for one, am sick and tired of your word games and fact twisting. You're here for one reason and one reason only, and that's to stir the pot. Well, you have your own site where all that kind of bilge seems to be welcome, so go do it there. Your defense of wrongdoing while all the time trying to convince everyone you just "want what's right" is disgusting.Ok, but TS was not arrested for having sex with a 19, 20 year old, but for pedophilia. And even in Duane's case, TS was a grown and married pastor, so he was just wrong out of the gate because is all those instances, he should have known better. At the very least, he abused his position of authority. So, Duane still has a point, even if you all want to only address once he became a consenting adult. However, I believe that is part of the issue, right?
Ok, now I just give up.
Everyone says Tommy's relationship with Duane was wrong on all accounts, even Tommy says that, but it has nothing to do with child molestation nor Tommy being a pedophile. The Duane thing has been used all along to cloud the issues and justify the allegations of child molestation against Tommy and to claim that Tommy admitted he was guilty of child molestation.. It needs to stop! It is a totally separate issue.
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Sorry that happened to you, and I also understand that things get skewed very quickly. However, the difference is that the police reacted immediately, and wrongly in your case. and in the case of TS they took their sweet time to build a case.
About Duane, well he is here and well capable of speaking for himself, he has done an excellent job so far.
What word games? What fact twisting? What defence of wrong doing? Be specific. Answer simple questions for once, Duane!Let's get something straight, Cindy. I do not HAVE to answer any questions from you. The details that I am going to release are already in my statement and elsewhere that I have posted. Furthermore, I really don't give a flip whether you believe me or think I'm credible.
As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view.
I think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.
I think the fact that I am not insulting you, nor accusing you in any way in regards to Tommy , and am , and have, only asked you questions designed to get the facts and the truth and allow you to express that, while you want me and others to shut up and go away, is wrong. You are in a discussion group,and have been for years now, that involves questions and answers!
I think, you are helping none but yourself by doing that.
What do YOU really want, if not the truth? It can't be an apology, nor anything else offered to help you, for you've had that, more than once, from Tommy.
What is your deal?
I was in an abusive marriage for 20 years and it was hard to escape when I called the police for help and was arrested myself as my husband lied, even when I had all the bruises etc.. My neighbors called and again I was arrested.
I had done Nothing! In one case it was dropped before I ever went to court, in another it was thrown out of court and dismissed at the arraignment.
These things happen.
Now people can jump up and say I was arrested for assault and accuse me all they want,
What word games? What fact twisting? What defence of wrong doing? Be specific. Answer simple questions for once, Duane!Let's get something straight, Cindy. I do not HAVE to answer any questions from you. The details that I am going to release are already in my statement and elsewhere that I have posted. Furthermore, I really don't give a flip whether you believe me or think I'm credible.
As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view.
I think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.
I think the fact that I am not insulting you, nor accusing you in any way in regards to Tommy , and am , and have, only asked you questions designed to get the facts and the truth and allow you to express that, while you want me and others to shut up and go away, is wrong. You are in a discussion group,and have been for years now, that involves questions and answers!
I think, you are helping none but yourself by doing that.
What do YOU really want, if not the truth? It can't be an apology, nor anything else offered to help you, for you've had that, more than once, from Tommy.
What is your deal?
I am NOT frightened or intimidated by the prospect of having to testify in court. I have been in court literally hundreds of times and have testified numerous times as well, in both criminal and civil cases. If you or anyone else thinks that I'm going to crumble due to your insinuations that I may appear before a judge, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
You can let Danny know next time the two of you correspond.
I was in an abusive marriage for 20 years and it was hard to escape when I called the police for help and was arrested myself as my husband lied, even when I had all the bruises etc.. My neighbors called and again I was arrested.
I had done Nothing! In one case it was dropped before I ever went to court, in another it was thrown out of court and dismissed at the arraignment.
These things happen.
Now people can jump up and say I was arrested for assault and accuse me all they want,
It must have hurt, Cindy
Thank you for that testimony, Ian.
"Paranoia will destroy ya"What was that about? I just told you I'm not afraid or intimidated. I'm not paranoid, either. I'm just sick of you spouting off when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I'm tired of being silent and sitting by, hoping you'll eventually hush. You obviously aren't going to do that, so now you're going to hear what I think of your nonsense.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
"Paranoia will destroy ya"What was that about? I just told you I'm not afraid or intimidated. I'm not paranoid, either. I'm just sick of you spouting off when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I'm tired of being silent and sitting by, hoping you'll eventually hush. You obviously aren't going to do that, so now you're going to hear what I think of your nonsense.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
BTW, you probably shouldn't be bothering Danny with this stuff anyway. I hear he has his hands full with other matters these days.
Right. ;)"Paranoia will destroy ya"What was that about? I just told you I'm not afraid or intimidated. I'm not paranoid, either. I'm just sick of you spouting off when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I'm tired of being silent and sitting by, hoping you'll eventually hush. You obviously aren't going to do that, so now you're going to hear what I think of your nonsense.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
BTW, you probably shouldn't be bothering Danny with this stuff anyway. I hear he has his hands full with other matters these days.
I am not now, nor have I ever been, in communication with Danny Shelton about this, Duane.
Right. ;)"Paranoia will destroy ya"What was that about? I just told you I'm not afraid or intimidated. I'm not paranoid, either. I'm just sick of you spouting off when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. I'm tired of being silent and sitting by, hoping you'll eventually hush. You obviously aren't going to do that, so now you're going to hear what I think of your nonsense.
1Jo 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Rom 8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
BTW, you probably shouldn't be bothering Danny with this stuff anyway. I hear he has his hands full with other matters these days.
I am not now, nor have I ever been, in communication with Danny Shelton about this, Duane.
Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.Yes. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.
Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.Yes. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.
communication
noun
Definition:
1. exchange of information: the exchange of information between people, e.g. by means of speaking, writing, or using a common system of signs or behavior
2. message: a spoken or written message
3. act of communicating: the communicating of information
4. rapport: a sense of mutual understanding and sympathy
5. access: a means of access or communication.
Hmmm. Didn't say anything about emails or PMs.Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.Yes. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.
Here you go, from Encarta:Quotecommunication
noun
Definition:
1. exchange of information: the exchange of information between people, e.g. by means of speaking, writing, or using a common system of signs or behavior
2. message: a spoken or written message
3. act of communicating: the communicating of information
4. rapport: a sense of mutual understanding and sympathy
5. access: a means of access or communication.
See? Here's the thing. I have posted on the boards for about 3 years now, I have posted a statement and numerous emails and other correspondence. Yet somehow, I'm "hiding from the truth" when I won't answer questions from someone I don't even know, and often who doesn't even have the courage to post their name. Someone who won't identify themselves needn't ask me anything to begin with.
Did you actually think I was going to answer that?I'm posting it because it's the truth, and how do you know whether or not I have heard an accusation from him?The unnamed Shelton in question does exist. I know him personally.
But you didn't hear that accusation from him, nor would you. Are you really posting this to validate Sister's ugly accusation? Please tell me you aren't.
Ok, I meant no offense, let me rephrase that to a simple yes or no question.
Have you ever heard it from him (the allegation that he was sexually molested by Tommy Shelton) in all the time that you have known him?
Yes___ No____
Yes____ No____
Yes, I did. Why wouldn't you? Aren't we all interested in the truth here? You jumped in fast enough to reply to sisters claims that an unnamed shelton was molested and claimed he existed as you knew him.
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What do YOU really want, if not the truth? It can't be an apology, nor anything else offered to help you, for you've had that, more than once, from Tommy, and refused both.
What is your deal?
And by the way, Cindy, I don't ever remember demanding that Danny or anyone else from 3ABN answer questions on the forums, as you so claim. If you find any evidence to the contrary, I'd love to see it.
As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view. I also think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.
Hmmm. Didn't say anything about emails or PMs.Maybe "in communication" just needs to be defined, you know how that is.Yes. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night.
Here you go, from Encarta:Quotecommunication
noun
Definition:
1. exchange of information: the exchange of information between people, e.g. by means of speaking, writing, or using a common system of signs or behavior
2. message: a spoken or written message
3. act of communicating: the communicating of information
4. rapport: a sense of mutual understanding and sympathy
5. access: a means of access or communication.
As long as we are being blunt here. I think the fact that you expect to have everything you say and imply taken as gospel truth while refusing to answer the questions those things cause displays little understanding of anything but your feelings and point of view. I also think the fact that you think you alone have to answer no questions while others do, is blind and misguided.
LOL! Now you see how irritating it is when someone picks apart every little thing you say.
Maybe you'll remember that in the future.
Hey, if you can't stand the heat, ....well, you know the rest.LOL! Now you see how irritating it is when someone picks apart every little thing you say.
Maybe you'll remember that in the future.
oh for pity's sake. Grow up, and take a lesson yourself. At least I have the courtesy to answer you.
Have a good weekend all...
First of all,I want to say how difficult it is to type this. I have been friends with Tommy's kids for a very long time. They are wonderful kids and I really feel sorry for them for all that they are having to go through. I have nothing to gain by writing this, but feel I should, as I was part of the Ezra congregation and my family was impacted by this as well. Some of you on this board don't believe what has happened, but I can tell you that as a teenager who was in this church, and what I was able to see, there is truth to these allegations.
I first started attending Ezra Church of God in 1974. I remember Tommy Shelton coming to my house and inviting my family to church. I was outside playing when this happened. From then, until 1987 I attended the church, except for about a span of a year or so between that time, during the mid-80's when the scandal hit.
I started attending the Ezra Church of God Christian School when I was 13. I was a classmate of Brad Dunning, Duane, Roger, Scott, Ricky, Greg, etc. These guys were my friends also, as we played basketball together, sang together, etc. I knew Ricky since he was about 5 or 6. Greg was one of my best friends.
I also recall the day when Brad stopped going to the school. Around this time I had heard rumors of what might be happening.
I watched as the split of the church took place in mid-80's and watched as my family was shunned by the church as they had sided with the few who believed the accusations were true. Many mean things came my family's way after all this happened. My family was friends with Sherry and others who were against Tommy. We had stopped attending the church for a time, although I myself went back, because of my involvement with different parts of the church at that time, like music and I lived with a family that attended the church as well. I remember well the "nervous breakdown" Tommy had. I also watched as certain teen guys seemed to always be with him, driving with him, pulling up in the same vehicle with him. I would watch as they would just follow behind and go straight back to Tommy's office before evening church service would begin. I even remember the song Tommy wrote during this breakdown called Sometimes I Just Want to go Home. I even remember the lyrics.
For some unknown reason in around 1984 or 85, Tommy bought me a new pair of black shoes. I remember us going up to Payless to get them. I felt good wearing them, because my other shoes were not that great and getting new shoes for me was really unaffordable with me family.
I have been on a trip to a music studio in Flora. I also was offered to drive but declined as I didn't feel comfortable. I remember being at the studio. (Their fridge only had TAB soda). For some reason, I was allowed to miss school to go on this trip.
On the drive back, Tommy asked me a strange question. He asked me if I wanted to ask him some personal questions. This made me feel quite uncomfortable, even at that age. I was not close to anyone, even my parents, so right away did not feel right even saying anything personal. The best thing I could come up with was "Do you think it's ok to have a girlfriend?". After his quick explanation of if it was ok (can't remember the answer), he pressed me once more for personal questions, which I had none I wanted to ask. It just all seemed awkward to me.
I have thus far never spoken of what I am about to write to anyone, but in light of what has come up, I feel I had to bring it up. I didn't feel comfortable discussing that type of thing back then so I remained quiet. I did not want confrontation.
I myself was never a victim. However I was told by one of the guys who has not come forward of what had happened to him. He told me once about something Tommy says to help gain trust. It's a story of David and Jonathan, and how the bible talks about a "special love" between them. Tommy then compares this to him and this guy. He then tells me that after that, Tommy asks for this guy to do something for him. This all took place in the mid 80's, when I was about 15 or 16. I won't go in detail as to what was asked and done further to him, but it is along the lines of Duane's letter.
I am not sure why I stayed with Ezra even after my family left due to the scandal that started. My own family was disappointed in me when they found out that I had started attending there again. I already knew the things against Tommy at this time, but still I stayed, maybe feeling that as long as it never happened to me, then it's ok. The only friends I ever knew attended there. Without going there, I had no friends. I had always had this jealousy at the time that I was never included in anything that the other guys had, like being asked to sing, or participate in things. Maybe it was because I didn't sing good. I played piano, which ironically was inspired to me by Tommy.
As for Danny, well I can only give personal views on him. I didn't really care to much for him, as he did construction on the school and would play basketball with the team during P.E. He was a good shooter though but on a personal level, well he seemed quite demanding and cocky.
I really don't know what to think about all this. Some relief perhaps as I know of victims who have not come forward, many who were my friends. I only hope that something finally gets done so there can be some closure.
I am not religious, and as of now have not intention of being religious, although I have some values. My mind is always in gospel music even though I could never live that lifestyle. But I do hope that the right thing is done. I truly feel that I could have been a victim because there are similarities as to what favors were done for me to gain trust that had also happened to my friends. Tommy is a very convincing individual and knows how to gain trust. As ne who once attended Ezra and a friend of these victims from Ezra, we do need closure.
Does this mean that Tommy cannot stay anywhere else than within the state of Virginia for a while?There is no question that Tommy is extremely talented and has numerous good qualities. This just goes to show how one sin can destroy you and those around you.
I feel bad for Tommy. He and I were together in 6 different countries. You get a special feeling for a person when you travel and eat together, staying at the same quarters, watching 3ABN together where his daughter was singing, and afterward he expressed his happiness that she did so well.
Danny and Linda were traveling as well - and we all had a great time together, most of the time. People came to me requesting to join our company, as I was making our travel plans.
As children,we feel so helpless- the statute of limitations should NEVER RUN OUT on PEDIOPHILES :amen:
The heavenly court has no statute of limitations, but it does have a lenient and generous commutation program that most folks want nothing to do with.
RBF, the naysayers have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. They act all informed and want everyone to think they have some inside information. They're in for a surprise, I can assure them of that.The heavenly court has no statute of limitations, but it does have a lenient and generous commutation program that most folks want nothing to do with.
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." 2 Corinthians 5:10
Thank God He serves justice and not amnesty. He isn't excusing sin or quibbling over dates. He calls sin what it is. Will we?
RBF
RBF, the naysayers have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. They act all informed and want everyone to think they have some inside information. They're in for a surprise, I can assure them of that.
From where I am sitting it appears that you are the one doing that.
RBF, the naysayers have no idea what is really going on behind the scenes. They act all informed and want everyone to think they have some inside information. They're in for a surprise, I can assure them of that.
From where I am sitting it appears that you are the one doing that.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/T3UK0LQHLLBQ6B8Q1
I just had to go set the record straight at the second of those Topix links. There were some flagrant lies being told about one of the victims and I corrected the deceit that was being spread.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/T3UK0LQHLLBQ6B8Q1
Where did the second one go? I clicked on the second link and didn't see the thread.
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TKUESLC5IM4C5FC2G
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Just went over and read the links above. On the second one Cindy is quite abusive as she accuses others of being unchristian. It must take a lot of imagination and rationalization on her part to justify her own actions. It appears that she has been schooled in the theory that if you keep repeating lies often enough you can convince others you are telling the truth... Sorry, Cindy, you need to find a more cleaver way of trying to turn lies into truth.
Cindy
Indianapolis, IN
#33
You guys need to take a chill pill, and stop thinking people are me and calling them that, when they are not.
I didn't post anything you have attributed to me.
I am only posting here to set the record straight and to say I think all the anonymous pots shots and personal attacks are cowardly and the furthermost thing from Christian I can think of.
What that means is I am not going to be in here arguing with any Duane Clem's or Bob Pickles, or any other demon inspired hatemongers.
I will instead pray for all, and you are both included.
Yes, having said that, that means I am leaving this ugliness now.- Good bye.
Does this mean you are going to leave this forum for good, the same way you left the Seventh-day Adventist Church?
I will not be arguing here either. - Good bye.
I will not be arguing here either. - Good bye.Yeah, we all believe that. :ROFL:
Anyone going to start another one?http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TSCE0RTM6HIOCBT68#comments
Anyone going to start another one?http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TSCE0RTM6HIOCBT68#comments
I think you got it a little wrong, Tinka. The thread about the two children being left alone at Chuck e Cheese has been up there at least since February 8 I think. I just hadn't posted a link to it until now. I wanted to see if it would be deleted since I posted the link here. It isn't new. Some of the facts that they got wrong were that she is not a sister to Danny but I think someone said she was a cousin of his. People were indignant about it but it hasn't and isn't likely to hit the national press. Other than church membership, I don't think there is a direct connection with 3ABN.
Did you read all the pages? I think there are 14 of them and about 267 comments.
(corrected spelling)
I have to admit that I had 2 great grandchildren I was keeping an eye on and I was skimming as my husband was reading. It was a shocker as I mostly was going to where I could see the "3abn " words to skip ahead. I did catch quite a bit but not a word for word thing. i did catch that some posters were a little confusing on who it was and great conversation on "where the money was coming from".What I'm referring to has nothing to do with Chuck E. Cheese, I assure you. I didn't even know about that.
But the point I was trying to make before I even saw this or realized this happened or when was --what the public will do with the TS saga and now this!!. I did read tho that DC. mentioned that something was about to happen and we would all know soon. How could it be worse then this? Then I got a black eye (laugh) from...... because I sort of remembered that Alyissa and Melody may have the same complaint that someone posted about and then got blamed for me doing it. of course that was notorized but I have no way of knowing what is true and giving fact on it. All I know is there are many things that can't all be false from many other poster's. Then there was supposed to be somebody else that posted that a gift of a car was given by DS and then given back & the rest of that saga. so many things. I maybe was wrong but am totally right on what the public can do for masacre when something this bad happens. They should have got out while they could and now how far will this go? But thanks for your insight.
Cindy, I think it is pretty sick to label as "demon inspired hatemongers" those who are concerned abut the cover up of child molestation allegations.Well Bob, when the facts aren't on your side, you have to resort to childish name calling or you have no comeback at all. To me, it's the mark of someone with diminished intellectual capacity.
Don't you agree?
Anyone going to start another one?http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TSCE0RTM6HIOCBT68#comments
Anyone going to start another one?http://www.topix.com/forum/city/west-frankfort-il/TSCE0RTM6HIOCBT68#comments
It's gone again.
I've written twice now asking about why the threads are getting deleted, and haven't heard back at all. I couldn't find a phone number. It is supposed to take 7 days before they read what you write. I first wrote them after it got deleted the first time, which has been over a week ago.Let them keep deleting it. There will always be someone to reopen it. No one is scared of Danny anymore.
Supposedly only Topix employees can delete stuff on the forums.
With most people gone, How does he financially keep going? It seems still the "pew money" must be still coming in. Maybe if that comes to halt the so claimed "volunteers" will be gone. I realize now they were never "volunteers" for DS. I think most of us "oldies" don't have ways of finding out the 3abn saga unless they have computer interests. Most I talk to around here do not even have computers let alone know how to get in the posts. They know nothing of this and are contributors. That is just my scenairo of how I think it must be. The "oldies" are the contributors and this is I think what DS counts on, or the board, or the SDA church in their "double back interests of claiming no interests". Very upset with this connection.
Not to mention the fact that the preliminary hearing takes place in a little over 2 weeks, which is going to put all this right back in the news again.With most people gone, How does he financially keep going? It seems still the "pew money" must be still coming in. Maybe if that comes to halt the so claimed "volunteers" will be gone. I realize now they were never "volunteers" for DS. I think most of us "oldies" don't have ways of finding out the 3abn saga unless they have computer interests. Most I talk to around here do not even have computers let alone know how to get in the posts. They know nothing of this and are contributors. That is just my scenairo of how I think it must be. The "oldies" are the contributors and this is I think what DS counts on, or the board, or the SDA church in their "double back interests of claiming no interests". Very upset with this connection.
To be honest I do believe that 3ABN has lost a lot of financial support in recent years. I do not think that is going to improve anytime soon, especially when you have DS at the helm.
Danny needs to realize that his influence on most people is gone. Notice I say "most" because obviously some people are still blindsided by the man. The power of Danny and his regime has become extinct.
Being that Danny is acknowledged as founder of 3ABN by the president and Mollie, many Adventists haven't heard/don't believe the reports about him, and Adventist church leadership personnel support 3ABN by their presence on the network, I don't see how it can be said that his power has become extinct.
I have witnessed otherwise very recently in a city-wide Adventist event for the local churches, reported on favorably in a church division paper.
Being that Danny is acknowledged as founder of 3ABN by the president and Mollie, many Adventists haven't heard/don't believe the reports about him, and Adventist church leadership personnel support 3ABN by their presence on the network, I don't see how it can be said that his power has become extinct.
I have witnessed otherwise very recently in a city-wide Adventist event for the local churches, reported on favorably in a church division paper.
As far as the support for Danny Shelton, that may be so. I believe that will change in the near future after they (3ABN supporters) find out the extent of DS trying to cover up his brother who is an alleged pedophile.
Anymore? Truth be known, he never was all that popular, just tolerated. That tolerance is wearing very thin these days.Being that Danny is acknowledged as founder of 3ABN by the president and Mollie, many Adventists haven't heard/don't believe the reports about him, and Adventist church leadership personnel support 3ABN by their presence on the network, I don't see how it can be said that his power has become extinct.
I have witnessed otherwise very recently in a city-wide Adventist event for the local churches, reported on favorably in a church division paper.
I may also note: That Danny is also not as popular in his hometown anymore either. The fact remains is people are coming to know the true Sheltons.
I've written twice now asking about why the threads are getting deleted, and haven't heard back at all. I couldn't find a phone number. It is supposed to take 7 days before they read what you write. I first wrote them after it got deleted the first time, which has been over a week ago.
Supposedly only Topix employees can delete stuff on the forums.
Wonder if the evangelist minglers still want to mingle in their brother off shoots? Wonder why LS had to sign to keep her quiet before the money?
It appears LS knew quit a lot and it was repulsive to her..it appears.
Then there was the difference between LS son and Brandy's girls in treatment. Then the rigged up fiasco of DNA which should have been no problem at all instead it could have been done properly in right places and excepted in court instead of all the excuses and hangups with sympathizers blind eye to court rules for the 100% without doubt.
LS helped build 3abn and it was half hers. It is now her turn to turn it around along with the stand up of the church. Make it legit under SDA banner. But then again I see what is happening on Hope channel. Some very good but fails in SDA SP message as somethings are portrayed to keep up with the public and their likes.
Wedding rings were added by the people in church manual. Not followed by SP. and there is no excuse, no reason that fits. It's vanity. Not important and a waste of money but yet it gives the go on jewelry to public view. It gives the go on charismatic movement, in music. I did watch one though that they had to be commented on and it was beautiful, solemn, and reverent with some happy music that was properly inspired by their appearance of true worship. I had tears and so proud of them as they appeared better then Gaither in spirituality and true behavior. Even their dress was better at that time as previous seen strapless and gaudy. What happened to woman's apparel in the "pants". Yea, just old stuff. The new age is in. I would like to see in nationally and worldwide view strict appearance of SP. Let them see the difference in the real true worship and forget the portraying of all ones self in song, dress and actions. Forget the gyrations and let the melody flow as that is what turns the heart. SDA do have many singers that can handle this. Some I have to get away from it. Right now I am liking the Rev series that is on. and I do miss LS and her inspirational comments. That is what made 3abn. Not the "stories" as they were told over and over until it was old and began to get doubtful or was LS a better deceiver as sympathizers portray? The fruits and actions of LS just don't portray it ...but they do...hmmmm. (Just personal thoughts) until actions prove wrong. Tommy Shelton was their (first??) mistake to portray on 3abn! Pew money supported him too. Johann, God is not a respector of this and I think TS might be left to his folly but am not going to judge as God knows all cause and sickness. He had the message, he had the light and he had his protector, his brother. It is sad as we see humans bend to outer limits and realize they are now in space but my sympathy is with the victims. Somebody had to do something and it needs to be commended they did it. TS photo looks very sick. You cannot love God and hurt his children just for your own desires. How many people has his brother hurt?
Any updates as to Tommy Shelton's court appearances?Preliminary hearing is still set for Thursday. Should have more news when it's over.
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?I'm sure word is slowly getting around. When I see how upset they get about posts at a place like Topix it tells me how terrified they are about this getting out. Do they have people sitting at computers monitoring ALL the news commentary sites? LOL
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?
One also wonders how long the Seventh-day Adventist church will continue to allow 3ABN to claim its close relationship as the subject spreads through the media.
Boy, the other site sure has gone quiet since the case was sent to the grand jury. I don't think this is the way it went in rehearsal.
They're obviously reading here. I had not much more than posted that when I was slandered again over there. You have to wonder about people who aren't capable of typing a coherent thought after reading something. Anyway, we know they're here. Hi, guys! :wave:Boy, the other site sure has gone quiet since the case was sent to the grand jury. I don't think this is the way it went in rehearsal.
Shock and awe!!!
They're obviously reading here. I had not much more than posted that when I was slandered again over there. You have to wonder about people who aren't capable of typing a coherent thought after reading something. Anyway, we know they're here. Hi, guys! :wave:Boy, the other site sure has gone quiet since the case was sent to the grand jury. I don't think this is the way it went in rehearsal.
Shock and awe!!!
One wonders what is happening to the 3ABN donations as the word gets around through the national media? Would donors not recognize the name and the picture they see in the papers?
One also wonders how long the Seventh-day Adventist church will continue to allow 3ABN to claim its close relationship as the subject spreads through the media.
And keep sending their programs over 3ABN
Do you all know if SDA churches in general who support 3ABN have heard much about the present situation with Tommy Shelton?
I just communicated with a pastor from a large and very active church which has been a "3ABN church" for many years, and he had heard nothing about it.
How was his reaction when you told him?
Duane, Is there somewhere I can go to find more information on the change of the statute(sp) of limitations of child abuse in IL?Yes, but it might take me a bit to find it. I'll get back to you I promise.
thanks,mrst
3ABN
by Breezy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:33 pm UTC
Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN. Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not. Remember this please: it is possible for someone to be falsely accused of a crime and even falsely arrested. We can always afford to wait before forming an opinion to see outcomes of court decisions.
As though 3Abn is going to say they are true?
It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute. This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.
So they are saying that the vicitims are full of the satans spirit?
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This person is no worse than a child molestor themselves.
It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute.
Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN.
Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not.
3ABN
by Breezy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:33 pm UTC
Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN. Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not. Remember this please: it is possible for someone to be falsely accused of a crime and even falsely arrested.
We can always afford to wait before forming an opinion to see outcomes of court decisions.
It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute. This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.
Please before you believe the rumors, check it out as Matthew 18 says, with those at 3ABN. Also please remember that because someone is arrested does not make them automatically guilty. If that were the case, this world would be a whole lot different and a much worse place in which to live for innocent people would suffer unnecessarily.
I long for Jesus to come and rescue us and take us to a place where satan and his evil angels will never live. A place where love and respect, kindness and joy will always be present. I praise the Lord for the good work 3ABN is doing.
Breezy
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Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:41 am UTC
This person is no worse than a child molestor themselves.
by Breezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTCViva le difference!
3abn_defender I'm sorry you were banned. That forum is so hilariously one-sided--they certainly love to use the little red pen against those they "don't like." Hmmm, let's see, what is this called? Oh yes, "prejudice." If you dare say one little work they don't like--out comes the little red pen...
But back to the topic of Tommy Shelton. Yes, he did turn himself in to the authorities when it became known to him that there was a warrant for his arrest.
What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case. The warrant was so full of errors that one wonders if the investigator actually tried to do her job. She not once talked to Tommy or his lawyer, nor did she ever speak to any of the victims. She even stated he was presently teaching school in Kentucky when in reality Tommy hadn't been at that school since 1981 AND the school had been closed for the last 3 years. Interesting Investigator--don't you think? Sounds like she was paid to sit on her tush.
But how did she know to get a warrant? Who was she talking to and believed? Ahhh, that is the million dollar question. Give you only one guess!!
I will say this much. Tommy Shelton will be declared innocent. How do I know this? Well, let's just say I know without a doubt. You all watch (including those with the little red pens) -- you will see Tommy declared INNOCENT.
Shucks!! In that case, I guess you will have to go with plan D--umm, or is it E? Oh, maybe it is Plan-F...Ah well, anything to get DS out of 3ABN right?
Breezy
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It just goes to show that they have so many different lines of defenses that they can't keep them all straight.3ABN
by Breezy » Thu May 13, 2010 4:33 pm UTC
Just a notice to those who may be questioning any recent news concerning 3ABN. Please don't hesitate to phone or email 3ABN and ask if the rumors are true or not. Remember this please: it is possible for someone to be falsely accused of a crime and even falsely arrested.
We can always afford to wait before forming an opinion to see outcomes of court decisions.
It is also possible to have those who are filled with satan's spirit who desire only evil for 3ABN to lie in whatever way they can in order to try to bring 3ABN into disrepute. This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.
Please before you believe the rumors, check it out as Matthew 18 says, with those at 3ABN. Also please remember that because someone is arrested does not make them automatically guilty. If that were the case, this world would be a whole lot different and a much worse place in which to live for innocent people would suffer unnecessarily.
I long for Jesus to come and rescue us and take us to a place where satan and his evil angels will never live. A place where love and respect, kindness and joy will always be present. I praise the Lord for the good work 3ABN is doing.
Breezy
Posts: 153
Joined: Wed Jul 23, 2008 3:41 am UTC
This person is no worse than a child molestor themselves.
But, look at what Breezy posted previously:Quoteby Breezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTCViva le difference!
3abn_defender I'm sorry you were banned. That forum is so hilariously one-sided--they certainly love to use the little red pen against those they "don't like." Hmmm, let's see, what is this called? Oh yes, "prejudice." If you dare say one little work they don't like--out comes the little red pen...
But back to the topic of Tommy Shelton. Yes, he did turn himself in to the authorities when it became known to him that there was a warrant for his arrest.
What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case. The warrant was so full of errors that one wonders if the investigator actually tried to do her job. She not once talked to Tommy or his lawyer, nor did she ever speak to any of the victims. She even stated he was presently teaching school in Kentucky when in reality Tommy hadn't been at that school since 1981 AND the school had been closed for the last 3 years. Interesting Investigator--don't you think? Sounds like she was paid to sit on her tush.
But how did she know to get a warrant? Who was she talking to and believed? Ahhh, that is the million dollar question. Give you only one guess!!
I will say this much. Tommy Shelton will be declared innocent. How do I know this? Well, let's just say I know without a doubt. You all watch (including those with the little red pens) -- you will see Tommy declared INNOCENT.
Shucks!! In that case, I guess you will have to go with plan D--umm, or is it E? Oh, maybe it is Plan-F...Ah well, anything to get DS out of 3ABN right?
Breezy
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Here's the thing to remember: Breezy's boastful post that Tommy would be found "INNOCENT" was before the preliminary hearing. Now, as reality slowly begins to sink in, Breezy says we need to wait and see. I can't wait to see what is said after he is indicted.
This is really a sad thing to know such hatred exists among those who say they follow God and the Bible. Remember there are wolves in sheeps clothing. By their fruits we will know them.
I long for Jesus to come and rescue us and take us to a place where satan and his evil angels will never live. A place where love and respect, kindness and joy will always be present.
Quoteby Breezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTC
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What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case. The warrant was so full of errors that one wonders if the investigator actually tried to do her job. She not once talked to Tommy or his lawyer, nor did she ever speak to any of the victims. She even stated he was presently teaching school in Kentucky when in reality Tommy hadn't been at that school since 1981 AND the school had been closed for the last 3 years. Interesting Investigator--don't you think? Sounds like she was paid to sit on her tush.
QuoteI will say this much. Tommy Shelton will be declared innocent. How do I know this? Well, let's just say I know without a doubt. You all watch (including those with the little red pens) -- you will see Tommy declared INNOCENT.
Breezy
Quoteby Breezy » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:55 pm UTC
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What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case. The warrant was so full of errors that one wonders if the investigator actually tried to do her job. She not once talked to Tommy or his lawyer, nor did she ever speak to any of the victims. She even stated he was presently teaching school in Kentucky when in reality Tommy hadn't been at that school since 1981 AND the school had been closed for the last 3 years. Interesting Investigator--don't you think? Sounds like she was paid to sit on her tush.
Now where did Breezy come up with all of this? Who's filling her ears full?
Why has she stated that a judge didn't approve the warrants when all five felony warrants were signed by a magistrate?
The investigator never talked to Tommy? Did she try, and Tommy simply refused to return her calls?
Why has she stated that a judge didn't approve the warrants when all five felony warrants were signed by a magistrate?
What is interesting about getting warrants in the State of Virginia is that any investigator can get one without a Judge's approval which is what happened in this case.
I spoke to Reverand Jennings B Wood, who was the Pastor prior to Tommy at the Dunn Loring Church of God. I got NOTHING. All he said was that was that "it was a shame that it happened". I am planning on his new church, which is only 45 minutes away,so maybe I can get more info then. Sorry guys.
It's been 37 years since I have seen him- it's lucky he remembered me. :ROFL:
Do you think Pastor Wood might be called to testify in he July trials?
Then I guess he won't talk to me, until after the trials- oh well.....maybe his daughter will..... :scratch:
Distressing, very, but at least the truth and justice can be done for all involved now, and the proper authorities are taking care of it in the right way. I will be praying for all involved and their families, and yes that does include Tommy.
Do you think Pastor Wood might be called to testify in he July trials?
I would assume so. I would also assume he would be included in any civil suite.
Do you think Pastor Wood might be called to testify in he July trials?
I would assume so. I would also assume he would be included in any civil suite.
So the case does not close that soon?
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict. That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.
If he is convicted and goes to prison, a civil suit would be positive in that it might give Tommy an opportunity to take a break from prison in order to attend the civil trial.
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict. That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict. That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.
Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...
You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them? There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case. So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained. I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me. Maybe others are curious too...
Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict. That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.
Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...
You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them? There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case. So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained. I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me. Maybe others are curious too...
Yep. Me too. Sorry, no one is going to give any info here.Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict. That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.
Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...
You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them? There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case. So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained. I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me. Maybe others are curious too...
Sounds like phishing to me... hhmm... ??
( :ROFL: no way to recover??? His employer will pay as he hired the bum knowing the on going episodes. TS will probably lose his clothes too and issued orange or stripped cloth)Even if TS is so lucky to get a "not guilty" verdict. That does not at all declare or foreshadow what a civil suite jury may decide. OJ Simpson is a true example of that.
Some of us are praying for truth and justice and aren't willing to discount verdicts in a court of law, whether of guilt or not guilt as being all about "luck"...
You and others keep mentioning a civil case, or as Joy did, to justice in heaven if not here on earth- almost as if you are prepared to lose??? In any case I find that curious, but am wondering about a civil case. O.J. had money, what would you sue TS for, and how would expenses in a case against him be covered knowing there was no way to recover them?
There are attorneys who take case on a contingency basis, but only if the think they will win and there is money to gain to pay them a percentage out of. My understanding is that TS has spent all his extra and more on the legal case.( and who put TS in that position???)
So what would be the reason to sue or what would be gained.( Victims are owed compensation and the attorneys know how to get it and where)
I am not defending or attacking here, I am just curious as none of this makes sense to me.(That is quite understandable with these commments or questions)
Maybe others are curious too...No others got the picture with their ability of reasoning. It's quite simple understanding -as the lawyer did take the case on the ability to know reasoning where compensation is coming from. Now with boasting of all minglers mingled proudly with evil within, will they still be proud minglers??? Believe me this won't be an OJ case...
I wonder if 3ABN is still sending Tommy money. Think he took his duplication equipment to Virginia?