Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: guide4him on December 30, 2008, 08:44:39 PM
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This came in the mail from Gospel Outreach
"The Gospel Outreach Adventures in Missions video program will not be aired on 3ABN in 2009. After Gospel Outreach's 14 years of continuous broadcasting with cordial relations, we were informed that our contract for 2009 has been denied--apparently due to personal issues.
At Gospel Outreach we have always been unclear how much the 3ABN broadcast generates in revenue. This denial of viewing opportunity will perhaps reveal how much our $46,800,00 expense yearly on 3ABN impacts our incoming donations. It may be possible that this amount will be used more profitably elsewhere.
We are sorry for the inconvenience. You can still view Adventures in Missions on Hope. LLBN and SAFE networks. See the scheduling in the monthly newsletter. We are planning to be on video network streaming soon, and will announce when this is completed, so you will be able to access Adventures in Missions from your own computer."
This announcement brings up some questions and issues.
One question is "Did 3ABN/Danny Shelton make a mistake in denying GO a new contract?"
Another question is, "Now that GO is not under contract with 3ABN anymore will GO air that program of Dan Matthews interviewing Linda Shelton?"
Remember last Spring when three 3ABN BOD contacted GO and threatened GO if they aired the Walla Walla City church Sabbath afternoon program that featured Dan Matthews, Linda Shelton and various local artists, that they would deny future air time. From what I understand GO was not intimidated. But they withheld airing the program until the time the Lord gives them the OK to do so. Looks to me that the time is now.
Just my humble opinion.
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That's very interesting but certainly not surprising. It will be interesting to see how this impacts GO's financial results.
Wouldn't it be cool if we could get the word out to potential donors to support GO instead of 3ABN...
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Sam;
Read the above, and please think about what I said about your ministry!
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This might be a good time for other ministries to withdraw from 3ABN and use the other TV channels exclusively
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When Linda Shelton participated at their fund raising meetings some time ago the board of 3ABN tried to get the director of Gospel Outreach to stop Linda from participating. GO still went ahead, hoping to collect around $90.000 for their work. They received over $200.000, and there were strong indication people gave more because Linda took part in the program. But Danny Shelton has not forgiven them for using Linda. . . Who says the issue is outdated? When will his hatred come to an end?
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I call this development utterly unethical and an abuse of power.
Whether or not GO had Linda Shelton participate should not make one bit of difference as far as their contract goes.
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If that is the main reason why 3ABN did what they did in not renewing their contract with GO, then I agree completely that Linda Shelton's participation shouldn't have made one bit of difference.
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The first questions that came to mind mind were;
Is Gospel Outreach a member of ASI?
If so, do they receive funding from ASI?
If so, will their funding be dropped like Mable Dunbar's was for working with Linda?
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Mable Dunbar and Gospel Outreach will get my donations from now on. Thanks for the enlightenment! I will copy and paste this and send it on my SDA friends.
This came in the mail from Gospel Outreach
"The Gospel Outreach Adventures in Missions video program will not be aired on 3ABN in 2009. After Gospel Outreach's 14 years of continuous broadcasting with cordial relations, we were informed that our contract for 2009 has been denied--apparently due to personal issues.
At Gospel Outreach we have always been unclear how much the 3ABN broadcast generates in revenue. This denial of viewing opportunity will perhaps reveal how much our $46,800,00 expense yearly on 3ABN impacts our incoming donations. It may be possible that this amount will be used more profitably elsewhere.
We are sorry for the inconvenience. You can still view Adventures in Missions on Hope. LLBN and SAFE networks. See the scheduling in the monthly newsletter. We are planning to be on video network streaming soon, and will announce when this is completed, so you will be able to access Adventures in Missions from your own computer."
This announcement brings up some questions and issues.
One question is "Did 3ABN/Danny Shelton make a mistake in denying GO a new contract?"
Another question is, "Now that GO is not under contract with 3ABN anymore will GO air that program of Dan Matthews interviewing Linda Shelton?"
Remember last Spring when three 3ABN BOD contacted GO and threatened GO if they aired the Walla Walla City church Sabbath afternoon program that featured Dan Matthews, Linda Shelton and various local artists, that they would deny future air time. From what I understand GO was not intimidated. But they withheld airing the program until the time the Lord gives them the OK to do so. Looks to me that the time is now.
Just my humble opinion.
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Gospel Outreach is one of my favorite programs. I am just glad that we can view it on HOPE an LLBN. Actually, I hardly ever watch 3ABN anymore. So sad that things are going the way that they are. And this probably belongs on another thread, but the 3ABN defenders who were saying that there were not many viewers on Adventtalk better look at their list of viewers. When I have gone to that site, there is only one guest and no members viewing and that guest was me. I usually see members and guests on this site.
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The first questions that came to mind mind were;
Is Gospel Outreach a member of ASI?
If so, do they receive funding from ASI?
If so, will their funding be dropped like Mable Dunbar's was for working with Linda?
Good questions, Fran, and yet they lead to another serious question: To what extend does the Seventh-day Adventist Church depend on the same financial sources as ASI and 3ABN? Do we trust more in money than in our Creator?
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Since that is the only conceivable reason they are punishing such a noble ministry, I believe it is high time to return the unsanctified favor...Linda Shelton and others damaged should file appropriate damage claims and take the 3ABN Board and its miscreeant directors, et al to the cleaners. And again, I, for one, shall be happy to offer my services for free to any lawsuite against these less than honorable pharisees!!!
This is a board and management that so self righteous, THEY STILL HAS NOT LEARNED THE TRUE SOURCE OF THEIR PROBLEMS...IT IS FROM WITHIN...they can pour all the money from their personal fortunes they can muster, it will not keep hypocrisy from ultimately faltering. Just too many self made landmines for them to continue unscathed. Their time is not afar off.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
If that is the main reason why 3ABN did what they did in not renewing their contract with GO, then I agree completely that Linda Shelton's participation shouldn't have made one bit of difference.
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Johann;
This has long been the norm within the Adventist Church. From the church board to the General Conference Executive committee! Those that pay for the project get the power. Many with big bucks give big, but never let go of it. They hang on until it does what they want and not what is voted.
I have sat on boards where one member never came until there was something they opposed or wanted. Then they give their speeches about their thoughts. Everyone sat there and finally say, "Yeah, I guess that would be OK!" Then again there are some that let the money go the minute it hits the plate! They were rich, faithful, and spiritual and still let the money go and let God do His will.
I live on a fixed income, but I sent the balance I had left to Mable Dunbar's Polly's Place and Gospel Outreach. Be careful, there is another Gospel Outreach out there that is somebody that left the Adventist church.
This is the correct link I think! http://www.goaim.org/ (Gospel Outreach Adventures in Missions). I left a message of why I was giving.
My next donations go to the legal fund and Linda Shelton's ministry and Hope TV as always!!
Mable Dunbar donations to Polly's Places can donate at http://www.pollysplacenetwork.com/home.
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SAM, over the years I've read the accusation that DS uses 3ABN as a carrot or stick in his personal matters, that he hires, fires, gives contracts, or takes them away based on how low they bow to him personally. This is more proof that those accusations are correct.
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This is a personal vengeance and its only relevance to 3ABN is DS' use of the ministry as a weapon against GO for working with his ex-wife, IMO. Is the 3ABN board playing a game of Limbo? The object of the game is "how low can you go?"
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It seems a shame to use the Lord's tools to satisfy one's one vengeances, especially when the Lord Himself says "Vengeance is Mine"...
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I wonder who else got the great heave ho?
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If that is the main reason why 3ABN did what they did in not renewing their contract with GO, then I agree completely that Linda Shelton's participation shouldn't have made one bit of difference.
Under what circumstances did 3abn have the right to threaten GO's future air time if they should air the feature with Linda? Under what circumstances should Linda Shelton's participation "have made one bit of difference"? The answer is none whatsoever. If 3abn is willing to threaten to do the unethical then why should we doubt whether they would act out the same lack of ethics? We either treat people fairly, impartially and with brotherly kindness in the church or we are not Christians. Are we on the same team or not?
While Neville Chamberlain and so many other time-serving politicians gently appeased Hitler and rejoiced in his promises of peace, Winston Churchill had long before identified Hitler as a liar and a thug whose promises were worthless. Furthermore, in Mein Kampf, Hitler clearly revealed his malignant hatred for the Jews. Yet, when news of German atrocities began to leak out of eastern Europe, many, duped by the apparently impressive accomplishments of Hitler's early years and having bought into his image as a German Messiah, could not bring themselves to accept the reality of those reports. Are we repeating history? The evidence is in. Let us not be afraid of calling evil what it is. Danny Shelton/3ABN may maintain a sanctimonious appearance but Jesus warns us, "Judge not according to the appearance but judge righteous judgment." John 7:24
Back to lurk mode,
RBF
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That is nothing when this all started, they made each and every show retape the shows with Linda in them. That kind of vindictiveness is what sent up the first red flag for me.
Under what circumstances did 3abn have the right to threaten GO's future air time if they should air the feature with Linda? Under what circumstances should Linda Shelton's participation "have made one bit of difference"? The answer is none whatsoever. If 3abn is willing to threaten to do the unethical then why should we doubt whether they would act out the same lack of ethics? We either treat people fairly, impartially and with brotherly kindness in the church or we are not Christians. Are we on the same team or not?
While Neville Chamberlain and so many other time-serving politicians gently appeased Hitler and rejoiced in his promises of peace, Winston Churchill had long before identified Hitler as a liar and a thug whose promises were worthless. Furthermore, in Mein Kampf, Hitler clearly revealed his malignant hatred for the Jews. Yet, when news of German atrocities began to leak out of eastern Europe, many, duped by the apparently impressive accomplishments of Hitler's early years and having bought into his image as a German Messiah, could not bring themselves to accept the reality of those reports. Are we repeating history? The evidence is in. Let us not be afraid of calling evil what it is. Danny Shelton/3ABN may maintain a sanctimonious appearance but Jesus warns us, "Judge not according to the appearance but judge righteous judgment." John 7:24
Back to lurk mode,
RBF
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The first questions that came to mind mind were;
Is Gospel Outreach a member of ASI?
If so, do they receive funding from ASI?
If so, will their funding be dropped like Mable Dunbar's was for working with Linda?
Does anyone know if Fran received answers to any of these questions?
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Good greif! If you want to talk to me just say so! You have been gone for such a long time. I see your name and my heart melts with a desire to talk! Oh yes, how would anyone here know if anyone answered me or not since it is not posted publicly? How does it feel to want to know something? I am just too tired to go into it right now, but maybe in another time and place?
The first questions that came to mind mind were;
Is Gospel Outreach a member of ASI?
If so, do they receive funding from ASI?
If so, will their funding be dropped like Mable Dunbar's was for working with Linda?
Does anyone know if Fran received answers to any of these questions?
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CPAATTY here doesn't sound like the same CPAATTY from BSDA. I think irspro here is CPAATTY from BSDA.
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I think you are right, Bob. I think our CPAATTY may have multiple personalities. And I am not convinced our CPAATTY is a CPA or an attorney.
CPAATTY here doesn't sound like the same CPAATTY from BSDA. I think irspro here is CPAATTY from BSDA.
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Can't be! So what? I was having such fun.
I don't have a clue who is who or what is what! I could care less who was who at BSDA or here. My name is Fran folks. Nothing, more nothing less.
I will post what I want, when I want, and everyone else can blow their nose for a while or run for the hills!
Those who chose to deceive others and use them, suck period!
Just call me Fran the abused, again! When you look for me, I will be the one with a big U on the forehead!
CPAATTY here doesn't sound like the same CPAATTY from BSDA. I think irspro here is CPAATTY from BSDA.
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As I do not want to further disrupt what is being discussed about this in another thread, I looked for and discovered this thread, therefore, I am going to post the following here that I read at another site:
I would agree with all you have explained here, but add that according to my understanding part of the problem with Linda being on the platform, which caused the GO/3ABN board members concern was due to the fact that the program was to be recorded and broadcast by 3ABN. I know that 3ABN provided free air time to Gospel Outreach in addition to their contracted time but do not know if this was one of those times. They were within their rights to broadcast or not broadcast anyone they choose, especially an employee they had let go.
I also think Johann was somewhat confused, or maybe I am, but I thought the fundraiser LS participated in was a different one broadcast on the Hope channel??
The Hope channel can of course broadcast or not broadcast anyone they choose also.
Can anybody speak to that here, especially Johann?
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This note from GO makes it clear. It does not mention technical problems but "personal issues."
This came in the mail from Gospel Outreach
"The Gospel Outreach Adventures in Missions video program will not be aired on 3ABN in 2009. After Gospel Outreach's 14 years of continuous broadcasting with cordial relations, we were informed that our contract for 2009 has been denied--apparently due to personal issues.
At Gospel Outreach we have always been unclear how much the 3ABN broadcast generates in revenue. This denial of viewing opportunity will perhaps reveal how much our $46,800,00 expense yearly on 3ABN impacts our incoming donations. It may be possible that this amount will be used more profitably elsewhere.
We are sorry for the inconvenience. You can still view Adventures in Missions on Hope. LLBN and SAFE networks. See the scheduling in the monthly newsletter. We are planning to be on video network streaming soon, and will announce when this is completed, so you will be able to access Adventures in Missions from your own computer."
This announcement brings up some questions and issues.
One question is "Did 3ABN/Danny Shelton make a mistake in denying GO a new contract?"
Another question is, "Now that GO is not under contract with 3ABN anymore will GO air that program of Dan Matthews interviewing Linda Shelton?"
Remember last Spring when three 3ABN BOD contacted GO and threatened GO if they aired the Walla Walla City church Sabbath afternoon program that featured Dan Matthews, Linda Shelton and various local artists, that they would deny future air time. From what I understand GO was not intimidated. But they withheld airing the program until the time the Lord gives them the OK to do so. Looks to me that the time is now.
Just my humble opinion.
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This may answer - at least partly - the question Daryl Fawset raises. As far as I recall there were three 3ABN board members who tried to talk GO out of using Linda. I did talk to one of those three some time after this happened, and he did not deny what they had done. He further said he thought Linda and I should appear before the board of 3ABN trying to make an appeal to the board of reconsidering. He further told me that his health did not permit him to take part in the next board meeting. We have not received any invitations since then.
When Linda Shelton participated at their fund raising meetings some time ago the board of 3ABN tried to get the director of Gospel Outreach to stop Linda from participating. GO still went ahead, hoping to collect around $90.000 for their work. They received over $200.000, and there were strong indication people gave more because Linda took part in the program. But Danny Shelton has not forgiven them for using Linda. . . Who says the issue is outdated? When will his hatred come to an end?
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I have been away from this forum for a long time due to heath issues which are being corrected.
Checking out the last note someone mentioned that 3ABN charges nothing to GO. This is a false statement. From my sources they did have to pay. They pay large sums of money to each program or station that airs GO. So the attitude was "not using 3ABN to air GO program probably saved them a lot of money". Looks to me that $46,800.00 is not free.
"This denial of viewing opportunity will perhaps reveal how much our $46,800,00 expense yearly on 3ABN impacts our incoming donations. It may be possible that this amount will be used more profitably elsewhere." GO magazine.
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3ABN is not free!
In fact, some people pay far more to produce infomercials! Remnant's programming is that exactly! Push those books. Push the EGW iPods! $399.00! 3ABN does everything to get every body's money. What do they do with it! They charge people to be on the air. So they aren't producing much!
I saw 3ABN with all the BIG ones on 3ABN telling how 3ABN is greater than the Adventist church. They say they will never leave the truth to teach evolution, but yet the denomination allows our institution to teach untruths! They reassured viewers that they would never let that happen at 3ABN!
Then they mentioned that all the church wants to do is control like they did with 3ABN years ago! But NO, Danny knew the church would lead to weakening the foundations of our faith! Sick, sick, sick!
I see zero where they are spreading the gospel to a dying world! They only are a money mongers. They keep the foundational truths! Yet they have Danny the adulterer and the thief! Oh, but they are so HOLY. What a crock! Sorry folks. They really are evil! The liars of the faith! I am so sick of Danny's and his crew's lies!
I will never send them one cent.
This Sabbath I had a surprise visit from a couple that I knew before they got married. I have a lot of experience in grants and loans for education. The two met and fell in love. He was frantic to get to the college she attended. He was wild not knowing what to do!
I sat down with him and filled out all the paperwork for the college to get him a grant and scholarships for the school year. It was late summer and he just knew the paper work would not be in time for the start of the up coming semester. They got there and he was accepted that day! He made it to school a few days before the year began. When ever they are in town they always come by to see me.
This time they came in and told me a story that astounded them. They were traveling through Indiana and Illinois and stayed at a motel or hotel. They needed a garbage bag so they both went to the desk. They were telling them they did not want any services for the Sabbath because they were Seventh-day Adventist. Then the lady went crazy talking very, very bad about Danny Shelton. He was everything dirty in the book! She said she was a relative and knew exactly who Danny was and he was NOT a Christian at all!
The couple didn't even mention 3ABN! They do not even own a TV! They were shocked that the words "Seventh-day Adventist" sent her off on such a tangent. They also did not like her language. I laughed! I told the couple that the lady was right on! They said they had heard some bad things about the finances and about him committing adultery! It confirmed to me the word is out there!
God, please let them hear it all and soon!
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I saw 3ABN with all the BIG ones on 3ABN telling how 3ABN is greater than the Adventist church. They say they will never leave the truth to teach evolution, but yet the denomination allows our institution to teach untruths! They reassured viewers that they would never let that happen at 3ABN!
Then they mentioned that all the church wants to do is control like they did with 3ABN years ago! But NO, Danny knew the church would lead to weakening the foundations of our faith! Sick, sick, sick!
Fran, are you saying that they said this on the air? When?
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Yes they did. Let me see; there was Danny on the far left with Jim Gilley nodding his head in agreement with Danny; J Lomacang; Mollie Steenson; Shelly Quinn and maybe someone else. Maybe I will think of them before I finish. It was the 2 Hour program for 3ABN Today.
I remember thinking that it was a strange time for the program! So it wasn't Thursday night. Time for me sometimes rolls all together. I sleep at strange hours. I woke up and it was light out. That is the best I can come to the time of day.
It seemed to me they were saying that 3ABN cared more about the truth than the church did. They kept reassuring the viewers that the church may teach untruth, but not 3ABN. Several times they mentioned the church allowing the teaching of evolution and not stopping it even though they control everything! Whereas 3ABN will not air anyone that is off the foundational truths of the Seventh-day Adventist Church! Danny said if someone was a wee bit off they would not air their programs!
Bob, how can they sit there and say that when they air Shelly Quinn and her never ending Rehma (sp?)! They have Danny teaching, and that is just not right!
As Danny did most of the talking, Jim Gilley sat next to him like a puppet with his head nodding yes to everything Danny said. Everyone there should know about Danny's adultery! Everyone there should know about Danny taking money from 3ABN with his and Shelly's book! They know about Tommy! They know about Brenda and Brandy. How dare they compare Danny/3ABN to the Seventh-day Adventist church!
Maybe knowing that it was a 2 hour 3ABN Today may help as to when I saw it.
This morning I was listening to J Quinn preach. He talked about people calling in to the Call Center. I was pleased to here him say he was an 'accountability partner' with a call in fellow. We all need an accountability buddy to help us through some rough changes our their life. I found that commendable. I didn't like that he quote Shelly from her Exalting His Word.
Then I heard Hal Steenson. I cannot stand listening to him, but I got up and went to the bathroom, got back in the bed and watched the rest of the program. Some areas I liked, but not enough to change my mind that much.
I do not believe they portray the foundations of the Seventh-day Adventist Church! I do not believe they counteract the counterfeit! It is high time God brought out the bulldozer! It must be broadcast to ALL about the sinfulness within the camp. People need to know they have been duped big time.
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If it were the 2 hour program on Sabbath the 4th :usa: it starts at 6 AM Pacific Time. It will be rebroadcast tomorrow, Tuesday the 7th at 6 and 7 AM Pacific Time. Called Our Church, Our Nation. From the 3ABN schedule.
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Grat;
That was the one! I woke up and it was on again today. I watched part and fell back to sleep though! I did discover who it was that I forgot! I was CA Murray.