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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on January 10, 2010, 04:54:24 AM
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I've been going through 3ABN's 990's and found this on the 2006 Form 990, Schedule A, Part IV-A, line 27c:
59,064,611 + 8,250,022 = 68,314,633.
Only a million dollars off.
And Ronnie said the IRS found not one single discrepancy? Who lied to Ronnie? Or was Ronnie lying?
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Isn't a million dollars just like peanuts?
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No, not in accounting/finance, especially if you are talking non-profit.....BTW, is 3ABN a non-profit, holding a 501c3? I hadn't thought about that....clearly missing that part of the discussion...........all these years........there was just so much to take in! LOL!!
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Is 3ABN a nonprofit...I thought it was taken for granted that all religious type organizations were nonprofit...I'm sure nobody has thought that it might be a for-profit venture.
They request and take donations from people; in what way could this be for-profit?
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If I am not mistaken, I don't believe it is solely that you take in donations, but more importantly that you claim that your donations will generate no profit, but be used soley to do whatever work you claim, including pay salaries, etc. If the IRS finds that a non profit has indeed made a profit, they will definitely collect the taxes on that profit, and they will lose that no profit status. I believe that was the purpose of the IRS investigations into the finances of quite a few mega ministries. They didn't quite resemble "non profit".
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Gee...you think???
Here, Here...!!!
But, Bob, are you suggesting that Ronnie was mis-informed? And I wonder who would do that at 3ABN??? Or was it sourced from lawyers????
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Is 3ABN a nonprofit...I thought it was taken for granted that all religious type organizations were nonprofit...I'm sure nobody has thought that it might be a for-profit venture.
They request and take donations from people; in what way could this be for-profit?
Simple, In what way could this be for profit??? It keeps the beg-thon going for the extravaganza life styly they so much enjoy for income and the studios etc. for that purpose. Their theme of SDA for this is the deceiving part. Their rewards to be tv personalities. Their problem is they don't know their limitations for talent.
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Is 3ABN a nonprofit...I thought it was taken for granted that all religious type organizations were nonprofit...I'm sure nobody has thought that it might be a for-profit venture.
They request and take donations from people; in what way could this be for-profit?
Simple, In what way could this be for profit??? It keeps the beg-thon going for the extravaganza life styly they so much enjoy for income and the studios etc. for that purpose. Their theme of SDA for this is the deceiving part. Their rewards to be tv personalities. Their problem is they don't know their limitations for talent.
So exactly how are the studios (or other necessary broadcast technologies) suppose to appear, spontaneous generation? Of course the donated funds are used for the construction, maintenance, and development of the facilities. The donors understand this, it appears you are the only one who doesn't realize it takes actual dollars to do the Lord's work on a global scale. You on the other hand seem to suggest a presumptuous approach to building, maintaining, and developing the tools to spread the Gospel to the world.
PS: Lending a helping hand, the word you are seeking is "extravagance" or "extravagant" not "extravaganza" or derivatives of same.
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The one problem is that 3ABN was specifically founded for the purpose of broadcasting without begging for funds.
I'm not saying that it should have been founded that way. I'm just saying that it was founded that way.
If Danny returned the money he's siphoned away via legal fees, royalties, and kickbacks, 3ABN wouldn't have to ask for money as much.
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The one problem is that 3ABN was specifically founded for the purpose of broadcasting without begging for funds.
I'm not saying that it should have been founded that way. I'm just saying that it was founded that way.
If Danny returned the money he's siphoned away via legal fees, royalties, and kickbacks, 3ABN wouldn't have to ask for money as much.
3ABN was founded on one purpose, to spread the gospel to the world. All ministries must, by their very nature, seek funding from benefactors - that is not wrong, evil, or cautioned against in the Bible or SoP.
As to your last sentence, the evidence contradicts your accusations/insinuations. Don't ask me to supply it, it is my opinion that you are not trustworthy with the facts.
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Did not Danny Shelton explicitly state that 3ABN was intended to not have begathons? However, I did notice that one promo that included that assertion also asked for money, which seemed a little inconsistent.
It is a matter of court record that Danny did siphon money away from 3ABN in the form of legal fees, royalties, and kickbacks, in documents not written by me. You have read those court documents, haven't you?
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It is a matter of court record that Danny did siphon money away from 3ABN in the form of legal fees, royalties, and kickbacks, in documents not written by me. You have read those court documents, haven't you?
No they don't. That would be your mashup of the facts that does that. Thus my decision you are not trustworthy with facts.
Yes, I have.
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Is 3ABN a nonprofit...I thought it was taken for granted that all religious type organizations were nonprofit...I'm sure nobody has thought that it might be a for-profit venture.
They request and take donations from people; in what way could this be for-profit?
Simple, In what way could this be for profit??? It keeps the beg-a-thon going for the extravaganza life style they so much enjoy for income and the studios etc. for that purpose. Their theme of SDA for this is the deceiving part. Their rewards to be TV personalities. Their problem is they don't know their limitations for talent.
So exactly how are the studios (or other necessary broadcast technologies) suppose to appear, spontaneous generation? Of course the donated funds are used for the construction, maintenance, and development of the facilities. The donors understand this, it appears you are the only one who doesn't realize it takes actual dollars to do the Lord's work on a global scale. You on the other hand seem to suggest a presumptuous approach to building, maintaining, and developing the tools to spread the Gospel to the world.
PS: Lending a helping hand, the word you are seeking is "extravagance" or "extravagant" not "extravaganza" or derivatives of same.
First of all it was no problem with having and buying equipment, buildings etc. That would have been fine because" they made a believer out of many that most all was done by "volunteer". So that went down good too as it really took you in with those "stories".
It was even good to hear that it was expanding world wide, (and my family contributed) of course until the bills were not getting paid and then losing what they gained???? The whole underneath scene came into view as all corruption does sooner or later. We paid for 3abn sattilite and then it was no longer there! Yea, I called and even ventured into the matter and the story was not the same as the engineers e-mailed back the problem.
Also I am very familiar with English and adjectives. But I like the word "extravaganza" as I feel it takes in multiple understandings of lifestyle. and I mean multiple... that was not necessary for the productions of spreading God's Message. (lawyers, wives, cars, hairjobs, horses, jets, houses, and to support the whole clan and their offspring of fornication's, adultery, child molestations and profits made from non-profits etc.etc.etc.) They just do not like public view and comments after public view was their income for the "extravaganzassssss" where most donators did not have the "extravagant" lifestyle but sacrificed to give. This was and is the sham of it all and shame. The stories got old and so did their limitations of talent.
As far as they should have appeared would have been no question because true beauty shines out no matter what but again actions speak louder then words and their "stories". Just wondering how I would look if I bleached my hair white, spiked it up and shaved my eyebrows, and painted them back on to look ridiculous, plaster the make up and then yodeled. Wondered if I could get some donations on there. Hmm I know my limitations but am not to good with self control after a sham like this as my dander comes up with the ones that sacrificed for this.
Even right now I am in the same mood to watch Hope channel show off all the rings and "things" against what SP says on how we should be. That just flew the coup and now presented world wide that jewelry is the OK things now. Just spout the wedding rings as it is the new age and the old is out. Skimpley dressed the better, (some should not even been allowed to come on dressed in that manner) All music is in and what makes you feel good. Yes, apostasy is strong and working just like we were told it would be. Vanity, all vanity, including 3abn
I really expect some to come one here and say..Y--- ---- ------- and that is the size of ignorance.
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It is a matter of court record that Danny did siphon money away from 3ABN in the form of legal fees, royalties, and kickbacks, in documents not written by me. You have read those court documents, haven't you?
No they don't. That would be your mashup of the facts that does that. Thus my decision you are not trustworthy with facts.
Yes, I have.
Come on, be specific. Which fact are you disputing? That Danny received kickbacks from Remnant for sales of his PPPA booklets to 3ABN? That Danny received hundreds of thousands of dollars in "royalties" from Remnant for sales his Remnant books to 3ABN? That 3ABN is paying Danny's personal legal fees?
Which fact are you disputing?
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Come on, be specific. Which fact are you disputing? That Danny received kickbacks from Remnant for sales of his PPPA booklets to 3ABN? That Danny received hundreds of thousands of dollars in "royalties" from Remnant for sales his Remnant books to 3ABN? That 3ABN is paying Danny's personal legal fees?
Which fact are you disputing?
Yes.
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Mighty hollow, anyman. Mighty hollow. If that's the best you can do, then you might as well bow out of this discussion, because you sure aren't helping Danny any.
I could try again: Are you denying that PPPA paid Danny royalties for sales of Danny's PPPA booklets, or are you denying that Remnant paid Danny anything for sales of the PPPA booklets to 3ABN?
Which is it?
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Mighty hollow, anyman. Mighty hollow. If that's the best you can do, then you might as well bow out of this discussion, because you sure aren't helping Danny any.
I could try again: Are you denying that PPPA paid Danny royalties for sales of Danny's PPPA booklets, or are you denying that Remnant paid Danny anything for sales of the PPPA booklets to 3ABN?
Which is it?
Your assessment of my relevance in this (or any) discussion matters not a wit, to me or the masses.
Again, I will answer your question and see if you understand:
Yes.
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"Had they deceived us
Or deceived themselves, the quiet-voiced elders,
Bequeathing us merely a receipt for deceit?
The serenity only a deliberate hebetude,
The wisdom only the knowledge of dead secrets
Useless in the darkness into which they peered
Or from which they turned their eyes."
T.S. Elliot (East Coker)
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I could try again: Are you denying that PPPA paid Danny royalties for sales of Danny's PPPA booklets, or are you denying that Remnant paid Danny anything for sales of the PPPA booklets to 3ABN?
Which is it?
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Again, I will answer your question and see if you understand:
Yes.
You don't come across as if you're trying to discuss this intelligently.
The PPPA contracts that are a part of court record state quite clearly that PPPA was to pay royalties to Danny. Therefore, you are incorrect in denying that PPPA paid royalties to Danny.
Simpson admitted that Remnant made payments to Danny for sales of Danny's PPPA booklets to 3ABN. Therefore, you are incorrect in denying that remnant made payments to Danny for sales of Danny's PPPA booklets to 3ABN.
Thus, you are wrong.
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You don't come across as if you're trying to discuss this intelligently.
The PPPA contracts that are a part of court record state quite clearly that PPPA was to pay royalties to Danny. Therefore, you are incorrect in denying that PPPA paid royalties to Danny.
Simpson admitted that Remnant made payments to Danny for sales of Danny's PPPA booklets to 3ABN. Therefore, you are incorrect in denying that remnant made payments to Danny for sales of Danny's PPPA booklets to 3ABN.
Thus, you are wrong.
Live in delusional comfort, inside your shack of false constructs, built on the shifting sands.
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The two points in question are indisputable, which is probably why you really aren't trying to dispute them. No "delusional comfort," "false constructs," or "shifting sands" here.
From pages 1 to 3 of http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-96-11.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-96-11.pdf):
Publisher [PPPA] will remunerate Author [Danny Shelton] by paying royalties .... seven percent (7%) of the wholesale price for all copies sold.
From page 5 of http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-188.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-188.pdf):
Their "evidence," however, is not evidence as much as a web of guesswork and speculation that begins and ends with the assumption that the payments were kickbacks. The reason they must be kickbacks, say the Defendants, is that the booklets for which royalties were paid were at one time published by a different publisher at a lower cost. Defendants say "the only logical reason for such an arrangement is that it was a kickback scheme." In other words, Defendants' logic goes, moving to a higher cost publisher is proof of a kickback scheme because they can't think of any other reason for it.
Did not Simpson in the above words admit that Remnant paid Danny for sales of Danny's PPPA booklets to 3ABN?
Simpson tried to excuse the payments by asserting without evidence that PPPA had ceased to be the publisher. But he still acknowledged that payments had been made for those sales.
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If you need to manipulate facts to generate a comfortable reality for yourself so you can sleep at night, I guess you have to live with that in the end.
You don't receive responses from me and many others for one simple reason: You can not be trusted with the facts or presenting the truth in its entirety. When you evidence that you have changed your ways, I am sure more people will engage you in debate - until you decide to be honest you are going to have a lot of lonely one sided experiences.
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No facts manipulated there. It's the truth. And you know it. But this isn't the first time or the first place that someone has felt you were being less than straightforward.
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No facts manipulated there. It's the truth. And you know it. But this isn't the first time or the first place that someone has felt you were being less than straightforward.
It's your truth, it's the one you have constructed in your head that gives you the peace you need to sleep at night. I do know the truth. I do know that the truth reveals you lied above when you insinuated that what I know is not the truth.
Again, I don't care what you think, it carries no weight. Manipulate away.
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No, I didn't lie. That word suggests that I knowingly told a falsehood rather than made an honest mistake. And the facts are the facts. Simpson said what he said, Remnant paid what it paid, 3ABN bought what it bought, PPPA paid what it paid, and Danny did what he did for year after year.
And Walt Thompson, rather than put his foot down, helped to enable some of the corruption that took place.
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Now, now, Gailon, be nice. You know I have yet to me mean or even sarcastic towards you. I know you get confused with regards to who you are responding. No worries....proceed!
Gee...you think???
Here, Here...!!!
But, Bob, are you suggesting that Ronnie was mis-informed? And I wonder who would do that at 3ABN??? Or was it sourced from lawyers????
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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No, I didn't lie. That word suggests that I knowingly told a falsehood rather than made an honest mistake. And the facts are the facts. Simpson said what he said, Remnant paid what it paid, 3ABN bought what it bought, PPPA paid what it paid, and Danny did what he did for year after year.
And Walt Thompson, rather than put his foot down, helped to enable some of the corruption that took place.
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No, I didn't lie. That word suggests that I knowingly told a falsehood rather than made an honest mistake. And the facts are the facts. Simpson said what he said, Remnant paid what it paid, 3ABN bought what it bought, PPPA paid what it paid, and Danny did what he did for year after year.
And Walt Thompson, rather than put his foot down, helped to enable some of the corruption that took place.
ummm, yeah, ok.. what He said ---> Attorney Simpson:
Their "evidence," however, is not evidence as much as a web of guesswork and speculation that begins and ends with the assumption that the payments were kickbacks.
Folks, if it was kickbacks, the IRS would have had a big problem, and both DS and 3abn would have been in trouble, but it has been a couple of years since they investigated both 3abn and DS, and it should be abundantly clear by now for even the most doubtful among you that they found nothing of the kind... despite Bob's motto of "If at first you don't succeed, weave, weave, again..."
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Folks, if it was kickbacks, the IRS would have had a big problem, and both DS and 3abn would have been in trouble, but it has been a couple of years since they investigated both 3abn and DS, and it should be abundantly clear by now for even the most doubtful among you that they found nothing of the kind...
It is indisputable that it was kickbacks.
If the IRS felt that those kickbacks were private inurement, then the presence of kickbacks is evidence against the mere assertions of Gerald Duffy, Ronnie Shelton, Danny Shelton, and Walt Thompson that the IRS found nothing.
It also suggests that the allegation that there was a huge payment made to the IRS along with a consent decree is in fact true.
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Folks, if it was kickbacks, the IRS would have had a big problem, and both DS and 3abn would have been in trouble, but it has been a couple of years since they investigated both 3abn and DS, and it should be abundantly clear by now for even the most doubtful among you that they found nothing of the kind...
It is indisputable that it was kickbacks.
Quite obviously you are wrong. 3abn, and DS have disputed it, I am disputing it and pointing out your opinions aren't facts and aren't backed up by any evidence whatsoever...
If the IRS felt that those kickbacks were private inurement, then the presence of kickbacks is evidence against the mere assertions of Gerald Duffy, Ronnie Shelton, Danny Shelton, and Walt Thompson that the IRS found nothing.
But they didn't feel or find that there were any kickbacks or that they were private inurement , Bob, and you can never prove they did as that is false
It also suggests that the allegation that there was a huge payment made to the IRS along with a consent decree is in fact true.
No, this is a fact, Bob.. You can not use unproven and unsubstantiated "IF" scenarios,allegations and claims, to further claim that suggests that your other unsubstantiated and unproven allegations are in fact true. That is ludicrous and arrogant and proves nothing. You are living in a fantasy world if you actually believe your opinions and conclusions are indisputable facts.
I'm done here, continue to spin and argue by yourself...
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No, I didn't lie. That word suggests that I knowingly told a falsehood rather than made an honest mistake. And the facts are the facts. Simpson said what he said, Remnant paid what it paid, 3ABN bought what it bought, PPPA paid what it paid, and Danny did what he did for year after year.
And Walt Thompson, rather than put his foot down, helped to enable some of the corruption that took place.
ummm, yeah, ok.. what He said ---> Attorney Simpson:
Their "evidence," however, is not evidence as much as a web of guesswork and speculation that begins and ends with the assumption that the payments were kickbacks.
Folks, if it was kickbacks, the IRS would have had a big problem, and both DS and 3abn would have been in trouble, but it has been a couple of years since they investigated both 3abn and DS, and it should be abundantly clear by now for even the most doubtful among you that they found nothing of the kind... despite Bob's motto of "If at first you don't succeed, weave, weave, again..."
Why is it so hard to understand that the IRS cannot do anything when they can't SEE anything?????? Wonder where it went to??? Proof is that it is someplace!!!. The evidence of it's (money)use is visible!!
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Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators. This was a "criminal" investigation and the IRS investigators are no dummies. Honestly, tinka your posts are hilarious. You must think the IRS does nothing in their investigations but sit on their behinds. They just grab their paychecks on their way to their vacations while turning in their time slips. Sure thing....just keep on sipping your kool-aid.
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Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators. This was a "criminal" investigation and the IRS investigators are no dummies. Honestly, tinka your posts are hilarious. You must think the IRS does nothing in their investigations but sit on their behinds. They just grab their paychecks on their way to their vacations while turning in their time slips. Sure thing....just keep on sipping your kool-aid.
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You just don't get it do you. Satan is the Prince of this world! I do not speak unless I experianced the facts. Are you so gulible that you trust what the government is doing to America too. Have you not seen that some of the IRS are going to get fired because they cheat themselves, lol Of course US gov employees educated in the best schools of greed, lies, oh, and yes, they get tremendous paychecks for doing it. It is obvious you use other peoples slang as others do on here to get your point across, Try an original! and I might think you are educated but in what school???
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Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators. This was a "criminal" investigation and the IRS investigators are no dummies. Honestly, tinka your posts are hilarious. You must think the IRS does nothing in their investigations but sit on their behinds. They just grab their paychecks on their way to their vacations while turning in their time slips. Sure thing....just keep on sipping your kool-aid.
You just don't get it do you. Satan is the Prince of this world! I do not speak unless I experianced the facts. Are you so gulible that you trust what the government is doing to America too. Have you not seen that some of the IRS are going to get fired because they cheat themselves, lol Of course US gov employees educated in the best schools of greed, lies, oh, and yes, they get tremendous paychecks for doing it. It is obvious you use other peoples slang as others do on here to get your point across, Try an original! and I might think you are educated but in what school???
To the contrary, Tinka, you experienced nothing for yourself at 3abn, much less "the facts" and don't even know anyone being spoken of, or anything from a first person perspective with them, but you constantly speak against them.
And nothing that you say above has anything to do with the individuals and company who audit 3abn, or the individuals who conducted the IRS investigation or the individuals in the Court cases involving 3abn, nor do you even know anything about them in order to make a comparison, but again, although you experienced no facts where they are all concerned,you are speaking against them.
It's disgusting imo, and I think you should stop, because every idle word you speak is recorded and you may very well find yourself being pronounced guilty (in a much higher court) of malice and of bearing false witness.
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It is indisputable that it was kickbacks.
Quite obviously you are wrong. 3abn, and DS have disputed it, I am disputing it and pointing out your opinions aren't facts and aren't backed up by any evidence whatsoever...
What lame attempts has Simpson made in disputing it on 3ABN and Danny's behalf? He asserted without evidence that the kickbacks were "perfectly proper royalty payments," and that PPPA was no longer the publisher of Danny's PPPA booklets.
I suppose that even the indisputable fact that the sky is blue could be called disputed simply because someone out there asserts that the sky is green, not blue.
Your assertion that we have not backed up with any evidence whatsoever that the payments were kickbacks is a bald faced lie, and you know it. You know that PPPA is the publisher of those booklets, and you know that PPPA pays Danny royalties on those booklets, and you know that Remnant paid Danny for sales of those booklets to 3ABN. And you know that we have provided evidence supporting all these things, and thus you know that you are lying when you say that we haven't provided any evidence whatsoever.
If the IRS felt that those kickbacks were private inurement, then the presence of kickbacks is evidence against the mere assertions of Gerald Duffy, Ronnie Shelton, Danny Shelton, and Walt Thompson that the IRS found nothing.
But they didn't feel or find that there were any kickbacks or that they were private inurement , Bob, and you can never prove they did as that is false
Since there were kickbacks and private inurement, then your unsubstantiated assertion that the IRS didn't find any such thing must be wrong.
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Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators.
Remember Arthur Anderson? Not all auditors do the job they are supposed to do.
In my opinion, the sheets Alan Lovejoy did up for use in the property tax case hearing in 2002 indicate that he was manipulating the numbers some. We made that case in court. His attorney did not refute the evidence we provided, from what I recall.
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It is indisputable that it was kickbacks.
Quite obviously you are wrong. 3abn, and DS have disputed it, I am disputing it and pointing out your opinions aren't facts and aren't backed up by any evidence whatsoever...
What lame attempts has Simpson made in disputing it on 3ABN and Danny's behalf? He asserted without evidence that the kickbacks were "perfectly proper royalty payments," and that PPPA was no longer the publisher of Danny's PPPA booklets.
I suppose that even the indisputable fact that the sky is blue could be called disputed simply because someone out there asserts that the sky is green, not blue.
Your assertion that we have not backed up with any evidence whatsoever that the payments were kickbacks is a bald faced lie, and you know it. You know that PPPA is the publisher of those booklets, and you know that PPPA pays Danny royalties on those booklets, and you know that Remnant paid Danny for sales of those booklets to 3ABN. And you know that we have provided evidence supporting all these things, and thus you know that you are lying when you say that we haven't provided any evidence whatsoever.
If the IRS felt that those kickbacks were private inurement, then the presence of kickbacks is evidence against the mere assertions of Gerald Duffy, Ronnie Shelton, Danny Shelton, and Walt Thompson that the IRS found nothing.
But they didn't feel or find that there were any kickbacks or that they were private inurement , Bob, and you can never prove they did as that is false
Since there were kickbacks and private inurement, then your unsubstantiated assertion that the IRS didn't find any such thing must be wrong.
Please reread:
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I'm done here, continue to spin and argue by yourself...
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Why is it so hard to understand that outside Auditors are thorough in their work as well as IRS investigators. This was a "criminal" investigation and the IRS investigators are no dummies. Honestly, tinka your posts are hilarious. You must think the IRS does nothing in their investigations but sit on their behinds. They just grab their paychecks on their way to their vacations while turning in their time slips. Sure thing....just keep on sipping your kool-aid.
You just don't get it do you. Satan is the Prince of this world! I do not speak unless I experienced the facts. Are you so gullible that you trust what the government is doing to America too. Have you not seen that some of the IRS are going to get fired because they cheat themselves, lol Of course US gov employees educated in the best schools of greed, lies, oh, and yes, they get tremendous paychecks for doing it. It is obvious you use other peoples slang as others do on here to get your point across, Try an original! and I might think you are educated but in what school???
To the contrary, Tinka, you experienced nothing for yourself at 3abn, much less "the facts" and don't even know anyone being spoken of, or anything from a first person perspective with them, but you constantly speak against them.
And nothing that you say above has anything to do with the individuals and company who audit 3abn, or the individuals who conducted the IRS investigation or the individuals in the Court cases involving 3abn, nor do you even know anything about them in order to make a comparison, but again, although you experienced no facts where they are all concerned,you are speaking against them.
It's disgusting imo, and I think you should stop, because every idle word you speak is recorded and you may very well find yourself being pronounced guilty (in a much higher court) of malice and of bearing false witness.
Ian,
By your own words i am now convinced that you cannot understand "context" of issues when certain people post. Whether you are an attorney or an assistant or whatever you just cannot get the context of what someone is saying correctly without completely using your own frame of mind to fit in the links you believe in.
I understand now why you cannot understand. You do not read properly because your mind in flapping in the breeze.
1. No where did I say that I had experience with 3 abn or knew their personal auditors. But...they had experience with funds I sent and family sent. That is your accusation and statement. My oh My.
2. The facts I speak of are facts of experience with the likes of their jobs.
3. You have accused me of not knowing anything of them (that is your words) when I never said I did. Maybe I do and maybe I don't. Your surmising
3. Nobody nor I said anything about direct individuals connected with 3abn doing their audits or IRS investigations.
4. I did speak on the terms of having true facts with the likes of the IRS on a National Basis. So what makes them any different and 100% Kosher because they went into 3abn. You come up with your own rendition of what was never said. You twisted it to your own liking.
5. I can read for my self the court documents which are facts of history! So how can you claim there are no facts to compare anything too?
6. You are a controller, and fabricator and have no right to say "stop" when someone views facts on black and white and speaks of it. Do you know what freedom is?
7. Your sort of confused in the understanding likewise of the meaning bearing "false witness!" False witness has nothing to do here when one speaks the truth of facts they can see by just watching the fiasco on National TV. You got to be silly or something. I speak what I see.
8. You do not have the authority of suggesting the "pronouncing" of anything that may or may not be with the Avenues of God.
9. Your comments are twisted, spinning and off the wall to what I was implying. Now I understand how you have twisted all the rest when you could not even understand what I was saying about facts of the IRS in general and yes we do have experience with junk.
10. Now I understand more what people are stating coming on to you. They are right!!
11. Yes, disgusting the 3abn saga :rabbit: and their sympathizers. :horse:
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It is clear to me that you didn't understand the point I was making, or what I was trying to caution you about, Tinka. Whether that was because you are unable to or don't choose to, I don't know. That's not really mine to know or decide but I said what I said and I stand by that. moving on...
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An outsider always looks at the broader picture of both sides to find truth. The patterns, the experience, the view, the actions, the presentations, has caused "Sanctification" of facts to be outbalanced in believing that DS is an innocent person in the dealings and handling of wives, cash, SDA beliefs to SDA disbeliefs, criminal behaviors, expenditures, and "Extravaganza lifestyles". I wished it wasn't so. So prove that it is not! Many of your posts are so twisted to the facts. I also know by this manner that you must be an attorney to do this and that is( Next to )the best they can do. I am so familiar with words of this kind and manner used to protect all sorts of "money pits" for their own greed. You have been indoctrinated, educated and implicated into what you are doing. Jesus called these kind of attorneys "vipers". Prove none of this happened and then call yourself "Justified"!
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An outsider always looks at the broader picture of both sides to find truth. The patterns, the experience, the view, the actions, the presentations, has caused "Sanctification" of facts to be outbalanced in believing that DS is an innocent person in the dealings and handling of wives, cash, SDA beliefs to SDA disbeliefs, criminal behaviors, expenditures, and "Extravaganza lifestyles". I wished it wasn't so. So prove that it is not! Many of your posts are so twisted to the facts. I also know by this manner that you must be an attorney to do this and that is( Next to )the best they can do. I am so familiar with words of this kind and manner used to protect all sorts of "money pits" for their own greed. You have been indoctrinated, educated and implicated into what you are doing. Jesus called these kind of attorneys "vipers". Prove none of this happened and then call yourself "Justified"!
Tinka, I can't allow you to make up a lie about me and go on believing it without at least attempting to let you know you are wrong. I am not an Attorney nor do I have anything to do with the legal profession. It may interest you to know that I myself started out as an outsider and was working with Bob Pickle but my own questions and the answers I found soon led us to a parting of the ways. In addition, it appears to me you have made up your mind, and are adamant about what you think you know in regards to 3abn as you are asking me to prove you wrong, whereas in my opinion you should be able to prove you are right as the burden of proof is on you. I cannot show anything to you that you do not want to see and I think it a waste of time to argue with your opinions re: 3abn.
I'm sorry.
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I am all eyes, and all ears to listen where all this is wrong. I can only relate what I have seen even without looking at Bob's info.
But it would have to be with no doubt on the subject presented. I will never be impressed with 3abn again. I do know some inner details for my own knowledge. I am more then sorry that this whole mess had to be. 3abn was wearing on me the wrong way even before the break up of DS & LS.
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https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/127702dc818f65e7
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Johann, your link only leads to a sign in page for gmail.
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Here it is:
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today'sFUNNY===========================
The judge warned the witness, "Do you understand that you have sworn to tell the truth?"
"I do."
"Do you understand what will happen if you are not truthful?"
"Sure," said the witness. "My side will win."
[forwarded by Steve Sanderson]
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I see your point, Johann.
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LOL! That was good, Johann!
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Jesus really knew how to make things cute did he not? Adorable!