Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on September 12, 2012, 07:49:16 PM
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"Truth" over on the other site has accused me of lying (a) because I said that our sources tell us that the IRS was paid over $1 million, and (b) because I said that I never said that 3ABN paid the IRS over $1 million.
Now I am willing for someone to show me where I made a mistake in statement (b), but as far as I know, I've never said that the 3ABN paid the IRS over $1 million.
"Truth" can't figure out how statements (a) and (b) could both be true. I'm not sure why "Truth" can't figure it out. It sure seems obvious to me.
Do any readers here have any trouble seeing how (a) and (b) can both be true? Is it just me that thinks it is obvious how they can both be true?
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It's a feeble attempt to distract from the events unfolding with the civil case against 3ABN. Of course they can both be true.
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Yes, it was obvious what you were saying, Bob.
Maybe it was a diversionary tactic. I think I remember how discussions in the past would be pulled off course to prevent more information coming out on the most pertinent 3ABN topic at hand.
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Frankly, I've never been told who paid the IRS. I've only been told that the IRS was paid.
Anyone who knows anything about Section 4958 Excess Benefit Transactions knows that board members who knowingly facilitate such transactions can be fined a portion of that transaction. See http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopich02.pdf. And who pays that? The board member, not the organization. So there clearly are times when someone other than the organization pays the IRS for malfeasance occurring within the organization.
So who paid the IRS? I don't know. I haven't been told.
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Knowing who one of the people were on the board back then, I can make a good guess who that person was, but it is only a good guess.
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So you think that a former 3ABN board member paid the IRS the million dollars?
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I don't know who paid the IRS, but whatever happened probably happened in late 2007 around East St. Louis. I think we referenced that meeting in one of our court filings.
Note that I never said that the amount paid was a million dollars.
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You said that it was more than a million?
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Yes, he claimed it was more than a million but he has no proof, only " a source told me..." as usual...
Then he has to ask Truth who paid the IRS over a million dollars because now he admits he doesn't even know who his unidentified source was talking about. That is beyond ridiculous.
Of course Truth can't name anyone, nor can his "source" because it never happened.
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Yes, he claimed it was more than a million but he has no proof, only " a source told me..." as usual...
Then he has to ask Truth who paid the IRS over a million dollars because now he admits he doesn't even know who his unidentified source was talking about. That is beyond ridiculous.
Of course Truth can't name anyone, nor can his "source" because it never happened.
How do you know it never happened?
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Yes, he claimed it was more than a million but he has no proof, only " a source told me..." as usual...
Then he has to ask Truth who paid the IRS over a million dollars because now he admits he doesn't even know who his unidentified source was talking about. That is beyond ridiculous.
Of course Truth can't name anyone, nor can his "source" because it never happened.
How do you know it never happened?
~ Cindy seems to be afraid to answer my question. Hmmmmmm!
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Yes, he claimed it was more than a million but he has no proof, only " a source told me..." as usual...
Then he has to ask Truth who paid the IRS over a million dollars because now he admits he doesn't even know who his unidentified source was talking about. That is beyond ridiculous.
Of course Truth can't name anyone, nor can his "source" because it never happened.
How do you know it never happened?
The lack of evidence... along with the evidence to the contrary.
I will reply to Pickle in more detail about both of those things when I get time to do so. In the meantime may I suggest your time would be better spent asking him how he knows over a million dollars was paid to the IRS to get a criminal investigation to go away, as he has been claiming for years now -- rather than posting to all how you think I seem to be afraid?
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Hey, squiggle, you are going to be very busy...you can refute, spin the tail on the donkey, but cover-ups are out of fashion and you cannot hide the truth and it is all coming out. You should promote a comprehensive settlement approach so they actually can move on, without DLS.
It is good that you are still "connected" but you really have to do a better job of verifying. Your sources seem to be factually challenged way too often and with three major contributors gone from the board the cost of cover-up becomes harder and harder to cover... and the place is leaking like a seive.
With leaks this big, ships have been known to founder!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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The lack of evidence... along with the evidence to the contrary.
Let me remind you that no admissible evidence has ever yet been produced to back up the IRS-vindication tale. Walt Thompson admitted to the court that he had no personal knowledge of such, and that his information was derived from whatever unnamed lawyers had told him.
I'm not saying that there is no evidence. I'm just saying that none has yet been produced.
Think about it: Ronnie claimed IRS vindication because ... the IRS told him? No.
Doug Batchelor claimed IRS vindication because ... the IRS told him? No. He said Jim Gilley told him.
Even Gerry Duffy admitted that the IRS hadn't told him that there were no infractions or discrepancies. And Walt Thompson even admitted that the unnamed lawyers never said that the IRS said that the investigation was even over.
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If the IRS was paid over $3M, wouldn't such a large amount show up somewhere in their financial records?
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In the IRS financial records?
How would we be able to see that?
If you meant 3ABN financial records, it was clearly explained already that someone else besides 3ABN paid it.
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Meaning the person paid it directly and not via a donation to 3ABN who in turn paid it?
In the IRS financial records?
How would we be able to see that?
If you meant 3ABN financial records, it was clearly explained already that someone else besides 3ABN paid it.
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Well, that could happen, too.
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If you meant 3ABN financial records, it was clearly explained already that someone else besides 3ABN paid it.
I didn't say whether 3ABN or someone else paid it, as far as I can recall. I left the question of who paid it open.
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It seemed like I remember the point being discussed that someone else paid it for 3ABN.
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It seemed like I remember the point being discussed that someone else paid it for 3ABN.
It certainly is possible, and would keep it out of 3ABN's books. But how exactly it was done, I can't say.
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You can't say because you don't know, or because you are not going to say?
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I don't know for sure how it was paid. That's why I can't say.
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Do you have an idea how it was paid? I ask, as you said you didn't know "for sure".
I don't know for sure how it was paid. That's why I can't say.
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I don't know for sure how it was paid. That's why I can't say.
It sounds like you do have some idea.
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All I've got are possibilities.
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It wouldn't cause problems to just list some possibilities, would it?
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I think the possibilities are that 3ABN paid it, one or more directors paid it, a third party paid it, or a combination of the above.
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Not surprising if Danny Shelton got 3ABN, or someone who has supported them to pay the IRS to make that problem go away quietly. However this current molestation civil lawsuit situation is not going to go away for $1 million or even $20 million. The very fact that it happened and was covered up means that there is plenty more where this comes from. Other victims will likely come forward, as they should.
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Not surprising if Danny Shelton got 3ABN, or someone who has supported them to pay the IRS to make that problem go away quietly. However this current molestation civil lawsuit situation is not going to go away for $1 million or even $20 million. The very fact that it happened and was covered up means that there is plenty more where this comes from. Other victims will likely come forward, as they should.
Is there any evidence so far of other victims coming forward?