Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Adam on October 22, 2010, 01:42:11 AM
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:usa: Let justice be done. Should be interesting how today develops.
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Just another continuance, I hear...
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So we all wait another month? How is Tommy holding up to all the suspense?
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Just another continuance, I hear...
Do you have any additional details?
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I'm told the judge was rushed to the hospial this morning. New date set for December 3, 2010, at 10:00 A.M.
Too bad for all of those who have been waiting for 6 months.
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anyone know what happened to the Judge? Is he ok?
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The cult leader has probably told his kool-ade drinkers that this judge being hospitalized is divine intervention...
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The cult leader has probably told his kool-ade drinkers that this judge being hospitalized is divine intervention...
You know horsethief, the exact same thought crossed my mind earlier today.
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The cult leader has probably told his kool-ade drinkers that this judge being hospitalized is divine intervention...
What would you tell them?
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Trying not too hard to add colorful adjectives that tickle ones bones on decision making ... but here's how you can tell what happens to TS
If little fines and little times-money did it.
If strong fines and little times-money did it.
If strong fines and strong times-then watch where comfort zone might be--money did it.
IF justice served --money didn't do it.
It's all a little nuts...for the Adventist money!
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That God in His Infinite Wisdom is giving Tommy some more time to repent before he goes to Jail(maybe) A repentent heart may mean the decision between solitary confinement and the general population.... Makes a lot of difference to a child molestor.......Just thinking out loud.....
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Repent all he can. Fact is, the homosex Tommy can't restrain himself around boys. The only remedy to that is removal from society.
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I truly believe that God can, if He so chooses, remove all tendencies from a person to commit such acts. The question is, has He in this case?
I see no evidence of it. Therefore, we must recognize the threat that still exists, and deal with it accordingly.
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I don't believe a sexual predator is EVER CURED unless medication is taken. No amount of psychological counseling is going to make things right. God can change a person's heart, but Satan is always there tempting. I think they need to be locked up or kept home-bound once on parole, especially pedophiles.
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"Home-bound once on parole"? In other words, reward their actions?
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I don't believe a sexual predator is EVER CURED unless medication is taken. No amount of psychological counseling is going to make things right. God can change a person's heart, but Satan is always there tempting. I think they need to be locked up or kept home-bound once on parole, especially pedophiles.
Well, I certainly believe that God is greater than any man made drug and can cure a person of anything He wishes, but as I said, I don't see it in this case, nor have I ever. That doesn't mean God isn't able. I think it has everything to do with the heart of the offender. Just like salvation, God won't force healing upon us. Plus, sometimes healing isn't given because a person is suffering consequences of earlier choices, such as someone with cirrhosis of the liver from drinking or lung cancer from smoking.
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Duane, I think in Tommy's case, with the years and multiple offenses, I think Tommy needs to be locked up or kept under house arrest once released from jail. Medication might help, since Satan seems to keep knocking him down.
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Duane, I think in Tommy's case, with the years and multiple offenses, I think Tommy needs to be locked up or kept under house arrest once released from jail. Medication might help, since Satan seems to keep knocking him down.
Oh, I agree with you 100%. I'm just saying that God CAN do it if He wants.
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Molesting children is such an act of evil that I believe it can be equated with posession. These predators are so focused on preying on innocent children that they simply canot be stopped unless they are removed permanently.
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You know, Horsethief, I agree with you. there doesn't seem much anyone can do. I also believe that God is able, however, that free will kicks in and they have to want Him, ask Him to help them. Not sure how many have done that.
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You know, Horsethief, I agree with you. there doesn't seem much anyone can do. I also believe that God is able, however, that free will kicks in and they have to want Him, ask Him to help them. Not sure how many have done that.
And that, Di, is the real danger of this kind of sin. It's not that God isn't able to heal, but rather the weakness of the human mind to be able to believe that they can be free from it.
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Anyone know of any examples of sexual preditors being cured by religion or God or what ever you prefer to call it. I never have but nothing is impossible with God.
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I think Duane hit a key point. We are saved by faith/belief/trust. If we don't believe God can do it, that it is possible with a miracle from God, He can't do it for us. Doesn't matter what the sin is.
So the sinner must believe that God can save him from his sin or he can't be saved from his sin.
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The sinner must acknowledge that he IS saved fromt hat sin through the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ. They must have that faith. I would also be intersted in hearing of anyone who feels they have overcome this particular sin.
I think Duane hit a key point. We are saved by faith/belief/trust. If we don't believe God can do it, that it is possible with a miracle from God, He can't do it for us. Doesn't matter what the sin is.
So the sinner must believe that God can save him from his sin or he can't be saved from his sin.
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Oh I believe the sinner knows that God can save him from his sin but this (lowest)sin is like a last stage cancer in the brain and already too far into last stage. They got it by passing over the line long time ago and did it knowingly --to a point of knowing that is his first desire beyond any thoughts of God in the picture. In fact so wicked that they hide with the religious people that show sympathy to hide their folly.
The thing that is so sure is that if the perp came to reality and cured he would not be able to live with himself knowing what he did to victimize others. Then the guilt would be so bad with the reality of it that he probably would commit suicide. No I never heard of anyone being cured after this horrible appeasement of ones selfish, sick desires that only a possessed person could do. The possession came first and then the acts, no sympathy here for chosen side of the devil. Just a fact of a life claimed by Satan in the end. Why and how can a person come to this decay of mind in this particular level? I just do not know. How can someone have taken the little girl from Australia that came here with cancer and one leg off, and do what they did? Only the devil inside a mind possessed is the only way. There is no cure once the Holy Spirit has been rejected for the last time. The acts prove that happened. and none of these can be set free to devour someone else. What horror!
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I work with sexual offenders. Let me tell you, some of them are great actors. They master the line of how sorrowful they are for their crimes and use that on the people who need to hear that, convincingly. Then they got another line mastered of how they are innocent and falsely accused and use that one when it's convenient.
They are professional cons and it's often easy to believe them. Tommy and Danny both fit that deceptive predator profile. Very convincing of their sincerity, yet extremely deceptive. The victim often doesn't realize that the predator has made them vulnerable before it's too late.
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Exactly my point, how can they repent to God when they do not believe they need to repent and don't they believe that God sees all and hears all? They are possibly believers of this but so is Satan. This is where the mind does not function in manner of reality anymore. It is gone. No conscience is there or left. With no conscience left, No Holy Spirt available.
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Now, Tinka, I have to disagree here, because I believe that some if not most live incredibly tortured lives. But it is like any other addiction, perhaps the most severe in manifestation. They are just like any other con artist, only their victims are completely defenseless, because they after have trust and faith in a person who is in authority over them in some way. They will do anything the have to to get their "drug" of choice. All we see is the outward, their despicable actions. We don't see that battle for their souls.
Just so we are clear, my statement above has absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that the offenders need to suffer the FULL consequences of their actions
Exactly my point, how can they repent to God when they do not believe they need to repent and don't they believe that God sees all and hears all? They are possibly believers of this but so is Satan. This is where the mind does not function in manner of reality anymore. It is gone. No conscience is there or left. With no conscience left, No Holy Spirt available.
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I watched an interview once with pedophiles, who were taking medication to keep them from getting erections or desires. One man who was interviewed, said he wanted to remain on the medicine the rest of his life, because he never, ever wanted to have the desire to hurt another child again. He said if he did, he hoped he would kill himself , first. Now, this could be like Horsethief was talking, and that this was what the audience wanted to hear, or he was really sorry. Only God knew his heart.
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I work with sexual offenders. Let me tell you, some of them are great actors. They master the line of how sorrowful they are for their crimes and use that on the people who need to hear that, convincingly. Then they got another line mastered of how they are innocent and falsely accused and use that one when it's convenient.
They are professional cons and it's often easy to believe them. Tommy and Danny both fit that deceptive predator profile. Very convincing of their sincerity, yet extremely deceptive. The victim often doesn't realize that the predator has made them vulnerable before it's too late.
One fellow was in a work release place, something like that, after serving time. He was not to have any relationship with a woman with young children. Came to prayer meeting once at least.
He went to a different church, started being friendly with a lady with kids. Got in trouble for that. Hopefully no kid got hurt.
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FYI - Oprah is having on her show tomorrow, 200 men who were molested. Might be educational to watch.
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Just a thought from SP
I was referred to Rom. i, 18-32, as a true description of the world previous to the second appearing of Christ. The only hope for those who practice vile habits is to forever leave them if they place any value upon health here, and salvation hereafter. When these habits have been indulged in for quite a length of time, it requires a determined effort to resist temptation, and refuse the corrupt indulgence. The Mr. -, mentioned, had practiced these habits so long he seemed to have lost the control of himself. He was naturally a smart man, possessing more than common abilities.
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But how were all his powers of body and mind brought into subjection by Satan, and consumed upon his altar! This man had gone so far he seemed to be left of God. He would go into the woods and spend days and nights in fasting and prayer that he might overcome this great sin, and then would return to his old habits. God did not hear his prayers. He asked God to do for him what had been in his power to do for himself. He had vowed to God, time and again, and had as often broken his vows, and given himself up to his own corrupt lust, until God had left him to work his own ruin. He has since died. He was a self-murderer. The purity of heaven will never be marred with his society. Those who destroy themselves by their own acts will never have eternal life. They that will continue to abuse the health and life given them of God in this world, would not make a right use of health and immortal life were it granted them in God's everlasting kingdom. {ApM 27.2}
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Yes, this actually started a couple weeks ago with the admission of media mogul Tyler Perry talking about his being abuse by two men and one woman when he was a child. They talked about this airing then. If you can get it, Tyler Perry's interview is really eye opening.
FYI - Oprah is having on her show tomorrow, 200 men who were molested. Might be educational to watch.
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Oprah Winfrey once called the Bible "that outdated book" on her show.
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What remains scheduled now before Christmas? A special Christmas package?
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On December 21 the Grand Jury will re-convene and consider a new Bill against the defendant, including any new charges. On December 22m the very next day, there will be a Pre-Trial conference and a new schedule entered to end with a preliminary trial date. However, do not be surprised if there will be another substantial delay to accomodate further discovery, if there are additional charges.
A new and substantial Bill of Indictment would be enough to spoil anyone's Christmas, if you are the subject of the Indictment... on the other side, however, I am sure a more substantial Indictment will be a biog Christmas Gift. And then there will be the separate civil complaint that is likely to follow New Years.
2011 will be a very busy year for 3ABN and the Shelton family...and we await a surprise or two from Linda as well!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Based on this link, http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/courts/circuit/grand_jury.htm (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/courts/circuit/grand_jury.htm), Grand Jury's are held on Mondays. If this is the case, tomorrow, December 20th should be the grand jury date for the TS trial.
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Based on this link, http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/courts/circuit/grand_jury.htm (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/courts/circuit/grand_jury.htm), Grand Jury's are held on Mondays. If this is the case, tomorrow, December 20th should be the grand jury date for the TS trial.
Grand Jury is not a Trial, but simply a Bill of Indictment based upon a finding of "probable cause". The trial will be held sometime in 2011, more likely March or April if they add charges.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter