Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Artiste on November 15, 2008, 07:47:22 PM
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We have noted on another thread information from a couple of our members stating that evidence seems to indicate to them that the IRS investigations of 3ABN's and Danny Shelton's financial affairs have not ended.
Of interest are the following:
1.) What about offshore accounts, presumably established by Danny Shelton?
2.) What about eBay accounts, with the profits of 3ABN-donated materials going to other entities or individuals rather than to 3ABN itself?
3.) Were Danny Shelton's publishing companies used as conduits to funnel 3ABN funds to himself?
4.) What do Remnant Publications and DLS Publishing have to do with royalties received by Danny Shelton?
3ABN has stated concerning the IRS investigation: "Contrary to statements being made by enemies of 3ABN and Danny Shelton's ministry, no adverse actions either civil or otherwise have resulted from the inquiry."
Is 3ABN's statement true? Does their information need to be updated?
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Regarding "royalties" from Remnant, look at http://www.save-3abn.com/danny-shelton-remnant-hides-royalties.htm (http://www.save-3abn.com/danny-shelton-remnant-hides-royalties.htm). Go down the page to "Donations, Sales, Printing, Shipping, and Royalties." Now look at how the royalties paid out by Remnant in 2004 were $26,178, while the royalties paid out in 2005 and 2006 were $116,556 and $508,767.
Do the math. Subtract the 2004 figure from both the 2005 and 2006 figures, and you get the approximate amounts Danny may have gotten from Remnant, since one of our sources said that royalty payments to others than Danny don't amount to much.
Now since 3ABN funds paid for the about $3 million worth of Ten Commandments books in 2006, then whatever Danny got in royalties from Remnant was 3ABN funds.
The other question concerns the possible 10% to 32% kickbacks Danny got on sales of his booklets to 3ABN.
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This e-mail quoted on save-3abn is most interesting:
-------- Original Message --------
From: ******
To: G. Arthur Joy
Subject: RE: MAP
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:02:39 -0700
Hello Gailon,
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I have wondered about the numbers. When I spoke with Danny about a month or so ago, he insisted that numbers were up by a couple of million. But when I spoke with a board member he indicated that the finances were not doing well, in part relating to a tremendous amount of money 3ABN put into the "Ten Commandments Twice Removed Book" which was distributed by the millions during the spring. I am quite certain that Danny received royalties on this, probably to the tune of several hundred thousand dollars, although he is refusing to disclose the amount to his own board members. This is a gross conflict of interest and also an improper personal inurement that could cause the ministry to lose its tax exempt status if it came to light. ...
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A proposed timeline, also from save-3abn, seems informative:
What was the timeline? From what we can piece together from our sources:
1. Danny reportedly first asked Dwight to hide his royalties in June 2006.
2. At that point Dwight allegedly stopped running his typical quarterly royalty report on Danny's book.
3. A sizable amount of royalties had allegedly already been calculated prior to that point, but Dwight held on to it at Remnant.
4. Sources claim that at year's end that same amount still sat on Remnant's books, and that by some point in 2007 that fund had grown to nearly $300,000.
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Based on my professional experience and my knowledge of this case, it is very unlikely that the IRS investigation is truly concluded with no adverse actions, excise taxes, fines or penalties. I think it would be interesting to take a look at the Remnant Form 990s just to see what interesting tidbits I can come up with! Sounds like great Sunday afternoon entertainment! along with a good football game! If I find anything noteworthy, I'll post it here.
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Well, how interesting! Neither 3ABN or Remnant Publications has a 2007 Form 990 published on Guidestar yet! I know there is a time lag between the filing date and when the filing becomes available on Guidestar, but I think it is time to start asking some questions. Guess some phone calls are in order tomorrow, as a second filing extension would have expired on November 15th.
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Phone calls...let us know what you find out, Snoopy!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_Form_990
They are supposed to provide their latest 3 990s for public inspection upon request. Will they comply and provide the 2007 990 if someone requests it? If they only provide the 2006, 2005 and 2004 990s maybe that says they haven't filed yet.
You can request them from the Irs
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506a.pdf
Corrected typo
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Based on my professional experience and my knowledge of this case, it is very unlikely that the IRS investigation is truly concluded with no adverse actions, excise taxes, fines or penalties.
I wonder what is going on inside the 3ABN hierarchy in regards to this.
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Might they rather pay the penalty than deposit too soon for them?
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Johann, I wondered the same thing. Would they rather pay a penalty than disclose?
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I thought the timing of their voluntary dismissal was quite suspect with regard to the timing of their disclosure of the 2007 financial results.
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Thank you for those links, childoftheking! Very helpful.
Here is another interesting option, where one can complain to the IRS if the exempt organization refuses to provide their 990s:
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=135032,00.html
I also found this interesting - the penalties for noncompliance:
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=135028,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_Form_990
They are supposed to provide their latest 3 990s for public inspection upon request. Will they comply and provide the 2007 990 if someone requests it? If they only provide the 2006, 2005 and 2004 990s maybe that says they haven't filed yet.
You can request them from the Irs
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506a.pdf
Corrected typo
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_Form_990
They are supposed to provide their latest 3 990s for public inspection upon request. Will they comply and provide the 2007 990 if someone requests it? If they only provide the 2006, 2005 and 2004 990s maybe that says they haven't filed yet.
You can request them from the Irs
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f4506a.pdf
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Ask the IRS and you'll wait a month or two to get a reply. Try asking them directly.
I'd love to get a copy of whatever you get.
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I just made two telephone calls - one to Remnant Publications and one to 3ABN asking for their 2007 Form 990s.
At Remnant, I told the lady who answered the phone what I wanted. "Who's calling?" I told her. "From where?" I told her I was just a person asking for the form!! "Just a minute." So I waited and finally someone named Dan answered. I told him I wanted to speak with whomever could get me the form. He said, "I guess that would be me." I gave him my fax # and he said he would get it to me, probably not today but sometime this week.
Then I called 3ABN and asked to speak with whoever could get me the form. She said that Brian Hamilton is out of town, so she transferred me to David Carson. I told him what I wanted. “Oh – why don’t you call back next week and talk to Brian Hamilton.” I asked why he couldn’t just send it to me, as it is open to the public. “Well, yes, you’re right. OK, why don’t you fax me a request and I’ll fax it back to you.” I asked why I needed to fax a request, as I was calling to ask for it. “OK. Give me your fax number.” I told him what it was and asked when he would be getting it out to me. “Sometime this afternoon.”
So, we'll see what happens! If anyone else wants to call and make the same request please do so!!
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Well, it is 15 minutes past closing time at 3ABN and I have received no fax. Why am I not surprised?
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I called today and David Carson is out sick. So I sent a fax request to Mollie Steenson. I just received the fax confirmation so I know it got there.
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K. Failure to File Penalties
Against the Organization
Under section 6652(c)(1)(A), a penalty of $20 a day, not to exceed the smaller of $10,000 or 5% of the gross receipts of the organization for the year, may be charged when a return is filed late, unless the organization can show that the late filing was due to reasonable cause. Organizations with annual gross receipts exceeding $1 million are subject to a penalty of $100 for each day the failure continues (with a maximum penalty with respect to any one return of $50,000). The penalty begins on the due date for filing the Form 990 or Form 990-EZ.
Use of a paid preparer does not relieve the organization of its responsibility to file a complete and accurate return.
Incomplete return. The penalty may also be charged if the organization files an incomplete return. To avoid having to supply missing information later, be sure to complete all applicable line items; answer “Yes,” “No,” or “N/A” (not applicable) to each question on the return; make an entry (including a zero when appropriate) on all total lines; and enter “None” or “N/A” if an entire part does not apply.
Incorrect information. This penalty may be imposed if the organization's return contains incorrect information. For example, an organization that reports contributions net of related fundraising expenses may be subject to this penalty.
Against Responsible Person(s)
If the organization does not file a complete return or does not furnish correct information, the IRS will send the organization a letter that includes a fixed time to fulfill these requirements. After that period expires, the person failing to comply will be charged a penalty of $10 a day. The maximum penalty on all persons for failures with respect to any one return shall not exceed $5,000 (section 6652(c)(1)(B)(ii)).
Any person who does not comply with the public inspection requirements, as discussed in General Instruction M, will be assessed a penalty of $20 for each day that inspection was not permitted, up to a maximum of $10,000 for each return. The penalties for failure to comply with the public inspection requirements for applications is the same as those for annual returns, except that the $10,000 limitation does not apply (sections 6652(c)(1)(C) and (D)). Any person who willfully fails to comply with the public inspection requirements for annual returns or exemption applications will be subject to an additional penalty of $5,000 (section 6685).
There are also penalties (fines and imprisonment) for willfully not filing returns and for filing fraudulent returns and statements with the IRS (sections 7203, 7206, and 7207). States may impose additional penalties for failure to meet their separate filing requirements. See also the discussion of the Trust Fund Recovery Penalty, under General Instruction D.
L. Contributions
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I also left a message at the Illinois Attorney General's office to find out if the annual report had been filed there.
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I sort of suspect that from some year forward, if Danny was receiving income from DLS Publishing he had to acknowledge that on 3ABN's Form 990.
Anyone know a CPA or CFE or auditor who can verify that, and tell us from what year forward that would have been the case?
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Oh, oh, oh!! Pick me, pick me!! Thanks to Ian/Rosa, I can answer this one!
According to generally accepted accounting principles, 3ABN and DLS Publishing are related parties which would require disclosure and special audit planning and attention. Any direct or indirect related party transactions should have been disclosed in the notes to the financial statements in the year they occurred.
Based on the property tax findings that Danny Shelton and NOT the Board of Directors controls 3ABN and an assumption that Danny Shelton also controls DLS Publishing, the relationship also should have been disclosed on Line 75c, Part V-A of the Form 990 if Danny Shelton were receiving compensation from DLS Publishing. And Danny Shelton signed the 2006 Form 990 under penalty of perjury.
I sort of suspect that from some year forward, if Danny was receiving income from DLS Publishing he had to acknowledge that on 3ABN's Form 990.
Anyone know a CPA or CFE or auditor who can verify that, and tell us from what year forward that would have been the case?
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The 2006 instructions state on page 35 that all you have to have is: "One or more persons exercise substantial influence over both organizations (see Example 3, later)." That's relationship 8.
If two organizations are related by relationships 1 to 6, they have to disclose more, but they still have to disclose something if they are related by relationships 7 or 8.
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Yet the 2007 instructions don't have anything that corresponds to relationship 8, unless I'm missing something. Did this change?
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They meet Relationship 2 also in 2006.
The 2006 instructions state on page 35 that all you have to have is: "One or more persons exercise substantial influence over both organizations (see Example 3, later)." That's relationship 8.
If two organizations are related by relationships 1 to 6, they have to disclose more, but they still have to disclose something if they are related by relationships 7 or 8.
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And in 2007, if the property tax findings still hold true.
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Ownership. The term ownership is holding (directly or indirectly) 50% or more of the voting power in a corporation, profits interest in a partnership, or beneficial interest in a trust.
Control. The term control is having 50% or more of the voting power in a governing body, or the power to appoint 50% or more of an organization’s governing body, or the power to approve an organization’s budgets or expenditures (an effective veto power over the organization’s budgets and expenditures). Also, control can be indirect by owning or controlling another organization with such power.
That's from the 2006 instructions.
Danny has 100% of the ownership and control of DLS Publishing, according to his affidavit filed in MN. But he wouldn't have even 50% ownership or control officially of 3ABN. How does this affect it all?
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According to the Illinois Department of Revenue, Danny Shelton DOES control 3ABN. Have you seen anything that would indicate a major change in oversight since then?
Ownership. The term ownership is holding (directly or indirectly) 50% or more of the voting power in a corporation, profits interest in a partnership, or beneficial interest in a trust.
Control. The term control is having 50% or more of the voting power in a governing body, or the power to appoint 50% or more of an organization’s governing body, or the power to approve an organization’s budgets or expenditures (an effective veto power over the organization’s budgets and expenditures). Also, control can be indirect by owning or controlling another organization with such power.
That's from the 2006 instructions.
Danny has 100% of the ownership and control of DLS Publishing, according to his affidavit filed in MN. But he wouldn't have even 50% ownership or control officially of 3ABN. How does this affect it all?
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Quote from the 2007 instructions:
Facts and circumstances tending to show substantial influence:
The person founded the organization.
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I found pages 7-9 of the Franklin County Board of Review brief submitted to the Honorable Circuit Judge Vantrease quite interesting with regard to the 3ABN Board of Directors.
On page 7 we learn that 3ABN counsel advised against disclosing the make-up of the Board and that 3ABN failed to submit any written evidence with regard to the composition of the Board.
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On page 8, we see that none of the witnesses provided testimony as to what the 3ABN Board did. Except for Linda Shelton's testimony that policies established by the Board could be found in the Board Minutes. However, no minutes were provided to the Court.
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And then on page 9, the brief points out that the record is silent on what the Board actually did, except that it does NOT micromanage operations. Instead, Danny Shelton is the one who acts on 3ABN's behalf. And then Linda Shelton testified that the Board assigned the carrying out of the 3ABN bylaws to the Sheltons!!
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Then page 10 goes into a discussion of 3ABN Management and re-iterates that lack of information regarding what the Board did but that management "fell to the almost unfettered discretion" of the Sheltons.
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And on page 11 we have Walt Thompson who failed to provide any testimony about the Board's supervision of Danny Shelton but confirmed that the Board does not micromanage Mr. Shelton's operations!!
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Sounds to me like Danny Shelton "controls" 3ABN!!!
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And on page 11 we have Walt Thompson who failed to provide any testimony about the Board's supervision of Danny Shelton but confirmed that the Board does not micromanage Mr. Shelton's operations!!
Now pardon me for declaring this to be an UNDERSTATEMENT!!!! Let the record so show that I have so declared it to be so!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I called today and David Carson is out sick. So I sent a fax request to Mollie Steenson. I just received the fax confirmation so I know it got there.
IF I were DAVE CARSON and someone called me for financial documents with the ID of SNOOPY, I stay home sick too!!! In fact, I might just decide to resign!!! And if I were Brian Hamilton, well probably out looking for a new job???
Now just where are those 2007 990's??? Almost time for the 2008's!!!
And what is all this banter about failure to disclose the private inurement schemes? Are you telling me they really did not have to refile 990's because they were exonerated??? Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle...guess those IRS boys aren't as bright as I thought they were...or is it that they are pretty bright indeed and 3ABN is out looking for a few million to "solve the problem" permanently??? Too bad we have a financial crisis at such a strrategic time...makes begging and borroing money extremely difficult!!! Have they thought of approaching Secretary Paulsen??? Maybe they will drop the rule that says the Government will not lend to anyone that owes the government money!!! Then, they could always start the 3ABN National Bank and change to a bank holding company and get a Billion or two in bailout money under TARP...or is 3ABN TARP personified (Troubled Asset Relief Program)???
Well, anyone's guess, I guess :dunno: Keep up the pressure SNOOPY and tell'em Gailon says "hello" will ya???
Gailon Arthur Joy
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And then on page 9, the brief points out that the record is silent on what the Board actually did, except that it does NOT micromanage operations. Instead, Danny Shelton is the one who acts on 3ABN's behalf. And then Linda Shelton testified that the Board assigned the carrying out of the 3ABN bylaws to the Sheltons!!
Doesn't micromanage. As in doesn't get seriously involved regarding looking into allegations of wrongful termination over blowing the whistle on Leonard Westphal's alleged rage, screaming, sexual harassment, private inurement, and poor job performance?
If they wouldn't get seriously involved in an issue like that, what would they get involved in?
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Then page 10 goes into a discussion of 3ABN Management and re-iterates that lack of information regarding what the Board did but that management "fell to the almost unfettered discretion" of the Sheltons.
Snoopy get over it...to any certified accountant, to any christian and to any moral person...you are a laughingstock. You go to 3abn to spy for the people they are in litigation with, you give out confidential information and add to it whatever fits your fancy. You gossip and spin the truth on these internet sites and then when your identity is exposed, you become furious. You then vow to "spill your guts" so to speak against 3abn. Imagine, you are the spy, you put yourself out there but when you are exposed you're mad at 3abn.
If all of that isn't a big enough joke, you then submit consulting bills to pickle and joy that in turn they want to submit to the court. Why? To try and get 3abn to compensate all of you!!!!!!! You want 3abn to pay you for spying on them under the pretense of helping!!! Ohhh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive.
According to you, you were only there for 10 weeks, every other week so you really must have the scoop on all. LOL I could be wrong but wasn't it about the same time you were volunteering/spying that you were dealing with your stalker situation? Seems like your mind might have been on too many things at once to know much of anything.
Without a doubt, your license should be taken away, you should be disfellowshipped from the church....if you hadn't already backslidden....and then you should be asking 3abn's forgiveness instead of asking them for money.
Oh well, we can always hope that if enough people find out what you've done, you will never be hired by any credible firm. People like to be able to trust their accountants.
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Here's an update.
I received the Remnant Form 990 via fax today.
I just telephoned David Carson at 3ABN who was less than cordial! Now he says he needs a written request! I told him I had faxed a request to Mollie. Per DC, "OK, then she is taking care of it. Thank you." I said I didn't realize the request had to be in writing and asked where it said that. Per DC, "I'm not getting into a debate with you. If Mollie said she's taking care of it she will." I never TALKED to Mollie - I just sent a request. Per DC, "Then you need to call Mollie." I said never mind - I'd just file a complaint with the IRS. Per DC, "OK - I'll let Mollie know that." So, I called back and asked for Mollie. I was told she was not available, so I left her a voicemail message. I told her that I just wanted to confirm that she had received my request and that I wanted to find out when I could expect to receive the fax. The clock is ticking!
I just made two telephone calls - one to Remnant Publications and one to 3ABN asking for their 2007 Form 990s.
At Remnant, I told the lady who answered the phone what I wanted. "Who's calling?" I told her. "From where?" I told her I was just a person asking for the form!! "Just a minute." So I waited and finally someone named Dan answered. I told him I wanted to speak with whomever could get me the form. He said, "I guess that would be me." I gave him my fax # and he said he would get it to me, probably not today but sometime this week.
Then I called 3ABN and asked to speak with whoever could get me the form. She said that Brian Hamilton is out of town, so she transferred me to David Carson. I told him what I wanted. “Oh – why don’t you call back next week and talk to Brian Hamilton.” I asked why he couldn’t just send it to me, as it is open to the public. “Well, yes, you’re right. OK, why don’t you fax me a request and I’ll fax it back to you.” I asked why I needed to fax a request, as I was calling to ask for it. “OK. Give me your fax number.” I told him what it was and asked when he would be getting it out to me. “Sometime this afternoon.”
So, we'll see what happens! If anyone else wants to call and make the same request please do so!!
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Why the fear of anyone seeing their 990? Everything is above board, the IRS thing is over, they are completely cleared, they have done nothing wrong and they have nothing to be afraid or ashamed of, right? But then I suppose that some documents could be strategically held back for a reason. They don't have to be held back forever, just until, well.
On another subject it occurs to me that with the terrible economic downturn, donations to 501c3s are in a big slump everywhere as are the future moneys they have recieved as trusts that are invested in the market. Now we are going into "the giving season" of November and December where a significant portion of the next years budget will come from. After December the giving will die down and .orgs don't have to worry about factors that will negatively affect the giving quite as much.
Back to the 990, I wonder when it will become acceptable for the public to see it.
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Well they aren't doing themselves any favors if they refuse to produce it! In the meantime, I'll just go through the Illinois Attorney General's office. I don't think the AG's office likes to play the kind of games 3ABN seems to be engaged in.
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Snoopy,
I am completely backing you in your task of obtaining that 990 from 3ABN. :thumbsup:
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Here's a copy of an email I just received from the Illinois AG's office. Looks like they might be on the trail now too!
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Hi Lynette,
I just received your voicemail and did receive your email last week. I read through the materials and will take them into consideration. Meanwhile, we just received 3ABN’s 2007 annual report, however, it has not been processed by our compliance department. Once the report is processed and scanned into the system, I can forward you a copy. Meanwhile, the reason why you are unable to view the reports online is because our web database only provides financial information on Illinois charitable organizations that are in compliance with this Office. Those that are not registered or are late in submitting their report will not be searchable on our website. This serves as a courtesy to the public that a charity is not in compliance. Meanwhile, all reports are available upon request (the more recent ones can be emailed, while the older ones can be copied at minimal cost).
Regards,
Joyce
Well they aren't doing themselves any favors if they refuse to produce it! In the meantime, I'll just go through the Illinois Attorney General's office. I don't think the AG's office likes to play the kind of games 3ABN seems to be engaged in.
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SCORE!! I would much rather have the annual report than the Form 990 as it will include the audit opinion and the notes to the financial statements which the Form 990 does not. MANY good data tidbits can be gleaned from those notes! However, BOTH versions of the 2007 results would be ideal!
Here's a copy of an email I just received from the Illinois AG's office. Looks like they might be on the trail now too!
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Hi Lynette,
I just received your voicemail and did receive your email last week. I read through the materials and will take them into consideration. Meanwhile, we just received 3ABN’s 2007 annual report, however, it has not been processed by our compliance department. Once the report is processed and scanned into the system, I can forward you a copy. Meanwhile, the reason why you are unable to view the reports online is because our web database only provides financial information on Illinois charitable organizations that are in compliance with this Office. Those that are not registered or are late in submitting their report will not be searchable on our website. This serves as a courtesy to the public that a charity is not in compliance. Meanwhile, all reports are available upon request (the more recent ones can be emailed, while the older ones can be copied at minimal cost).
Regards,
Joyce
Well they aren't doing themselves any favors if they refuse to produce it! In the meantime, I'll just go through the Illinois Attorney General's office. I don't think the AG's office likes to play the kind of games 3ABN seems to be engaged in.
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If they had complied, you may never had known about that, therefore, their lack of compliance went against them in this instance.
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No - I knew that already! It's an accountant thing.
If they had complied, you may never had known about that, therefore, their lack of compliance went against them in this instance.
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I would think that the IL AG has to receive their form, the audited financial statement, and the 990 before a charity is in compliance.
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I would think so, too. It would be nice if we could get the non-compliance word out to more people right away since we are on the door of the holiday giving season. Maybe an email campaign to individual churches?
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I think they have filed these three things and are now in compliance though they were not until their recent filing.
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My impression was that they would be "in compliance" once the filing had been processed and scanned. And what "processed" means, I don't know. However, I sent some of the motions from the court case as well, so I would suspect that the AG's office will be looking at the 2007 filing a little more closely than in the past. In the meantime, no information is presented when one does a search on Three Angels Broadcasting in the Charitable Database Search option, an indication that the AG does not yet consider them "in compliance".
I think they have filed these three things and are now in compliance though they were not until their recent filing.
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Are you taking this as an indication the IRS Investigation might not be over yet?
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I don't know what to think about the IRS investigation. All I can say at this point is that based on my experience at 3ABN and my knowledge of documents involved in 3ABN's defamation/trademark lawsuit against Bob and Gailon, I am very hard pressed to believe that it is over or that there were no adverse findings or excise taxes. Especially given 3ABN's apparent reticence to provide their Form 990 for public inspection as requred by the IRS!
Are you taking this as an indication the IRS Investigation might not be over yet?
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The IRS assigned a claim number in Jan of 2005. I have that claim number. It was sent up the ladder and has been going since January 2005 and is still ongoing since I have not been notified of any thing as yet about it being over. In January, they will have been under investigation for 4 solid years.
Squeaky Clean? I think not.
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Snoopy, would the IL AG be interested in this statement from Walt Thompson?
"I understand that it is all the same suit, and handled as such. To my knowledge, there has been no talk of a separate fund for Danny's defense."
Thus it sounds as if 3ABN was paying Danny's personal legal expenses in the suit. It will be interesting to see if that got reported as income to Danny on the 990.
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I don't want to be too pesimistic but they filed the 1005 Illinois annual report late too and they paid $100 fine for it.
I may be in the minority but I consider their status now to be to be sort of probationary until the report has been processed and approved (to see if they have complied or in other words to see if they are now in compliance with the state of Illinois requirements since they have filed). If they are declared to be in compliance, they will go back on the website. It may just be a matter of wording but not being in compliance really isn't anything new. There was a time in the past when they were been missing from the AG website and then been put back on it. We just didn't know why until the AG office said recently why they were missing.
To me, I think there is overwhelming evidence of lawbreaking but it isn't apparent on the surface. They look good on the surface. It seems to me that many people believe the story that they are doing such a good work of spreading the gospel and doing good that they can't possibly be in the wrong. And of course they say the devil is against them because he hates the good work they are doing. Can they influence or have they influenced those who should but haven't investigated them or those who have investigated them superficially by telling this story? What do you think?
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I'm sure they would find that very interesting! I remember seeing that statement somewhere, but would you refresh my memory as to where? I'll send it to Joyce if I haven't already.
Snoopy, would the IL AG be interested in this statement from Walt Thompson?
"I understand that it is all the same suit, and handled as such. To my knowledge, there has been no talk of a separate fund for Danny's defense."
Thus it sounds as if 3ABN was paying Danny's personal legal expenses in the suit. It will be interesting to see if that got reported as income to Danny on the 990.
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Snoopy do you know if the AG office is aware of the State of Illinois property tax case against 3ABN and of its subsequent appeal and the denial of the appeal? I would think that the offical statements in that case would be listened to.
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Yes, they have all of that along with a narrative that points them to particularly interesting parts. They also have several motions from 3ABN's lawsuit. Plus, I anticipate more interesting developments that I plan to forward on to the AG's office as they become public.
Snoopy do you know if the AG office is aware of the State of Illinois property tax case against 3ABN and of its subsequent appeal and the denial of the appeal? I would think that the offical statements in that case would be listened to.
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Well, Sammy, I am glad to be able to entertain you! However, did you notice that the letter Bob filed was REDACTED?? As for my being disfellowshipped, that seems to be your solution to anyone who disagrees with 3ABN. Have you been assigned as the church membership director now?
Then page 10 goes into a discussion of 3ABN Management and re-iterates that lack of information regarding what the Board did but that management "fell to the almost unfettered discretion" of the Sheltons.
Snoopy get over it...to any certified accountant, to any christian and to any moral person...you are a laughingstock. You go to 3abn to spy for the people they are in litigation with, you give out confidential information and add to it whatever fits your fancy. You gossip and spin the truth on these internet sites and then when your identity is exposed, you become furious. You then vow to "spill your guts" so to speak against 3abn. Imagine, you are the spy, you put yourself out there but when you are exposed you're mad at 3abn.
If all of that isn't a big enough joke, you then submit consulting bills to pickle and joy that in turn they want to submit to the court. Why? To try and get 3abn to compensate all of you!!!!!!! You want 3abn to pay you for spying on them under the pretense of helping!!! Ohhh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive.
According to you, you were only there for 10 weeks, every other week so you really must have the scoop on all. LOL I could be wrong but wasn't it about the same time you were volunteering/spying that you were dealing with your stalker situation? Seems like your mind might have been on too many things at once to know much of anything.
Without a doubt, your license should be taken away, you should be disfellowshipped from the church....if you hadn't already backslidden....and then you should be asking 3abn's forgiveness instead of asking them for money.
Oh well, we can always hope that if enough people find out what you've done, you will never be hired by any credible firm. People like to be able to trust their accountants.
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SAM: YOU are the "laughing stocK"...didn't want to give up the documents and had to dismiss your case???? What a pathetic laughing stock at that. Gutless wonders is what you represent!!!! You knew you were DEAD WRONG the whole time and tried to BLUFF ME and adventism!!! YOU WERE GUILTY and tired to BLUFF us into believing Linda Sue Shelton was the adulteress. DANNY LEE SHELTON committed Biblical adultery...did you get that SAM!!! And you still allow that face on 3ABN??? Keep it up and it will be your demise!!! The Lord will not support OPEN AND NOTORIOUS SIN!!! Your ship will most assuredly take on water as the storm grows more bold!!! Best heave overboard he that troubleth Israel!!!
Sam, you are also the snake in the graass that I have always suspected you were...you dare charge a volunteer with immoral and illegal conduct that innocently went to work for a publicly trusted 501-c-3 tax exempt organization and the volunteer simply discovered the "FOUNDER" and the "FACE OF ADVENTISM" also know as "MR 3ABN" and the "CHOSEN ONE" had his hands in the offering bucket? There are not enough words to describe the contempt I feel for, and heap upon you!!!! HYPOCRICY is what it is!!! PURE UNMITIGATED HYPOCRICY!!!
And just in case you think that this "volunteer" turned whistleblower is alone, you have many a think coming to you. And we have a growing body of evidence to support their claims!!!! YOU SUPPORT THE PIC-POCKET AND DAMN THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Now that IS the 3ABN we have come to know and DISDAIN!!!
Now here is the the breaking news...there is yet another "trouble-shooter" within your midst so you best behave and follow the moral code you pretend to support, for mother church is watching!!!! And if they were not, I WILL BE!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Then page 10 goes into a discussion of 3ABN Management and re-iterates that lack of information regarding what the Board did but that management "fell to the almost unfettered discretion" of the Sheltons.
Snoopy get over it...to any certified accountant, to any christian and to any moral person...you are a laughingstock. You go to 3abn to spy for the people they are in litigation with, you give out confidential information and add to it whatever fits your fancy. You gossip and spin the truth on these internet sites and then when your identity is exposed, you become furious. You then vow to "spill your guts" so to speak against 3abn. Imagine, you are the spy, you put yourself out there but when you are exposed you're mad at 3abn.
If all of that isn't a big enough joke, you then submit consulting bills to pickle and joy that in turn they want to submit to the court. Why? To try and get 3abn to compensate all of you!!!!!!! You want 3abn to pay you for spying on them under the pretense of helping!!! Ohhh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive.
According to you, you were only there for 10 weeks, every other week so you really must have the scoop on all. LOL I could be wrong but wasn't it about the same time you were volunteering/spying that you were dealing with your stalker situation? Seems like your mind might have been on too many things at once to know much of anything.
Without a doubt, your license should be taken away, you should be disfellowshipped from the church....if you hadn't already backslidden....and then you should be asking 3abn's forgiveness instead of asking them for money.
Oh well, we can always hope that if enough people find out what you've done, you will never be hired by any credible firm. People like to be able to trust their accountants.
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Does Sam work for 3ABN or is he a Shelton or both? ;D
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SAM: YOU are the "laughing stocK"...didn't want to give up the documents and had to dismiss your case???? What a pathetic laughing stock at that. Gutless wonders is what you represent!!!! You knew you were DEAD WRONG the whole time and tried to BLUFF ME and adventism!!! YOU WERE GUILTY and tired to BLUFF us into believing Linda Sue Shelton was the adulteress. DANNY LEE SHELTON committed Biblical adultery...did you get that SAM!!! And you still allow that face on 3ABN??? Keep it up and it will be your demise!!! The Lord will not support OPEN AND NOTORIOUS SIN!!! Your ship will most assuredly take on water as the storm grows more bold!!! Best heave overboard he that troubleth Israel!!!
Sam, you are also the snake in the graass that I have always suspected you were...you dare charge a volunteer with immoral and illegal conduct that innocently went to work for a publicly trusted 501-c-3 tax exempt organization and the volunteer simply discovered the "FOUNDER" and the "FACE OF ADVENTISM" also know as "MR 3ABN" and the "CHOSEN ONE" had his hands in the offering bucket? There are not enough words to describe the contempt I feel for, and heap upon you!!!! HYPOCRICY is what it is!!! PURE UNMITIGATED HYPOCRICY!!!
And just in case you think that this "volunteer" turned whistleblower is alone, you have many a think coming to you. And we have a growing body of evidence to support their claims!!!! YOU SUPPORT THE PIC-POCKET AND DAMN THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Now that IS the 3ABN we have come to know and DISDAIN!!!
Now here is the the breaking news...there is yet another "trouble-shooter" within your midst so you best behave and follow the moral code you pretend to support, for mother church is watching!!!! And if they were not, I WILL BE!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Was this the kind of reply Sam was expecting?
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Was this the kind of reply that should have been posted?
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Was this the kind of reply that should have been posted?
It is an appropriate and scaled response to an outrageous defamation by SAM!!! Enough, already. High time to let the truth roll into the highways and byways. No reform...no forgiveness!!!
I just had the opportunity to review the transcript from the very first impoundment hearing. Yes, they were going to prove that what I have reported is defamation per se and "damages would be assumed? Well, where are they today? Hiding from the sure evidence of discovery knowing the proof would destroy them in the halls of justice!!! That is where they be!!! And to call the whistleblowers criminals is insane when the whistleblowers blew the whistle on clear abuses of 501c-3 gifts given in good faith!!!
It is time to call sin by it's right name and not fail from it!!! They have no problem PRETENDING that whistleblowers are the problem, deliberately attempting to indict the TRUTH SAYERS. That represents a bold faced defamation of the facts and deserves to be met head on, as the prophet has advised us to meet these insidious miscreants.
TIME FOR THE TRUTH!!! AND THE TRUTH SCREAMS FOR JUSTICE!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Here is how they try over at 3ABNTALK.
At the top you find my response:
by Johann
Some of you people here have en ingenuous way of ascertaining what is true and what is false. Here you prove the "pathetic" falsehood of AdventTalk by maintaining a certain post has been removed - the one you quote here below. You must be counting on that nobody checks the facts, because if they do they will find that post right there on AdventTalk.
Your method is not a new one. It has been used all the way through in so many instances since this saga started about March/April of 2004, initiated by President Danny Shelton himself and thoroughly copied by a number of people defending his false accusations of his wife, Linda. I know, because he had me fired because I would not honor his false statements because I was there and had experienced his falsehood.
Same old story.
Breezy wrote:Really, AdventTalk (AT) is so pathetic. If anyone tries to post the truth of the matter, the moderators REMOVE THEIR POSTS from the board so that the public cannot know the real story. You would think AT had something to hide. Well, of course they do! It is a shame those membership at AT who are against 3abn continue to doggedly pursue their evil course because when they find out they are wrong, it will hit them like a ton of bricks.
Oh but then the truth would spoil their "fun" wouldn't it? Yes readers, those over on AT enjoy bad-mouthing 3abn and those who work there for the Lord. They ENJOY making up any DIRT they can on anyone involved with 3abn and then making it public. They are "enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season." It is hard to imagine a Christian acting or talking the way these evil-minded people do over on AT.
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What they post there shouldn't be used as an excuse for posting that way here, otherwise, all it becomes is the pot calling the kettle black.
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What they post there shouldn't be used as an excuse for posting that way here, otherwise, all it becomes is the pot calling the kettle black.
Thank you for that warning, Daryl. It makes sense. :horse:
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Are you telling me that you take issue to Gailon's reply to Sammy but not to Sammy's post? Good grief! What happened to "unbiased" Daryl??
Was this the kind of reply that should have been posted?
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OK, Snoopy, you baited me on this, and I am going to take the bait on account of the fact that you made a private issue public.
I take issue to both posts "biased" Snoopy!
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I didn't "bait" you on anything, Daryl. I asked a simple question. Your interpretation is up to you.
OK, Snoopy, you baited me on this, and I am going to take the bait.
I take issue to both posts "biased" Snoopy!
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I want to go on record that I edited my post one second before your own post.
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Not sure what you are talking about here, Daryl, but if you have an issue with me or something I have done might I remind you of the rule to report your issue privately.
OK, Snoopy, you baited me on this, and I am going to take the bait on account of the fact that you made a private issue public.
I take issue to both posts "biased" Snoopy!
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The word "unbiased" in your question to me as in ""What happened to "unbiased" Daryl??"" was publically baiting me to respond the way I did.
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When you post like that, you are posting as a member and not as a moderator, thus my response is within the forum rules, therefore, if you do not want a public response, then don't say anything like that again in public.
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Post like what, Daryl? I don't know what you are talking about. But don't tell me what to post and what not to post.
When you post like that, you are posting as a member and not as a moderator, thus my response is within the forum rules, therefore, if you do not want a public response, then don't say anything like that again in public.
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I want to go on record that I edited my post one second before your own post.
:wave: True. I was here and saw him do so. (Just in case none of the other 30 lurkers here will speak up)
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Goodie for you, Ian!! :ROFL:
Why are you ignoring my other questions about the private BSDA chats??
I want to go on record that I edited my post one second before your own post.
:wave: True. I was here and saw him do so. (Just in case none of the other 30 lurkers here will speak up)
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Why are you ignoring my other questions about the private BSDA chats??
Because I think they they are stupid and paranoid questions.and I can't help it if you choose to keep assuming and jumping to the wrong conclusions and repeating yourself.
But for the record. You added the word "private" I never read any "private" chats by you, (nor did anyone copy to me, repeat any to me or tell me anything about any "private" chats) and. I never claimed that I did,. Iin fact all along I have been telling you the exact opposite. No one told me anything about you except you yourself.
Toodles :wave:
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Snoopy,
As long as you yourself post within the forum rules, then I won't report any of your posts, but continue to bait me like that and I will.
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Uh-oh. Maybe your schizophrenia is catching up with you Ian/Rosa/Jack Indabocks/quaddie/buttercup...whoever! So now I am stupid and paranoid for wanting to know just which one of my "friends" shared BSDA chats with you? I NEVER CHATTED WITH YOU THERE!! So that means that somebody I DID chat with shared it with you!! Yup! What great "friends" they turned out to be! Oh well - live and learn!
It is amusing now to hear that those "friends" are now pointing the finger at each other!! :ROFL: I do hope they can manage to work it out though, as I think that they need each other!! :ROFL:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: my answer
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:39:59 -0500
From: Cindy
To: Rosa...
..Ian wrote:
> I am banned there right now to the extent I am blocked from reading the forum eve, Snoopy is answering and claiming she answered before?? hmmm. obviously not true, and Lynette couldn't be more wrong, and thus there is no way she can prove what she thinks and says. Whether about those she claims were her friends or about what she says was at fault with 3abn. Both of those she considered her friends were always and still are far better friends to her, and respecting of her privacy and endlessly concerned about her and her well being than she has ever been of them or theirs, as her posts reveal. She outed them and myself? well see?? that is that 2 wrongs make a right and end justifies the means thinking at work. ( no doubt 'AT" admin will allow it) If they had not been true friends to her, I would have already outed her over a year ago as the mole or spy or thorn at 3abn, for I asked more than once who snoopy was and they apologized and always refused to say or even give a clue. I respected that, as I knew they would do the same with myself where others were concerned.
>
> Sad to say, despite Snoopy's futile and unproven attempts to cast blame on others. it is her own posts, and chats on BSDA, in conjunction with Bob's filing of a letter from her in court and the posts on adventtalk by her and others which clicked together and revealed her identity to me. I am not surprised she won't see that. The phrase "paranoia will destroy ya comes to mind"
>
> Yes I have been in contact with both Jeanette and Cindi as she posts, and I love them both! dearly!! They are true friends and sisters despite some of our differences in opinions, perspectives and POV in some of these issues --with both myself and Lynette as well. And they aren't the only ones I have been in contact with or vice versa in these issues and forum discussions. True friends are a blessing from God. I have met more than my hands can number of new friends and brethren during these past couple of years, and have a respectful, loving and honest relationship with them and have only received the same in return. Some may think me a liar, I don't care, others might be surprized to discover who some of my friends are are.. :D (not really their business tho...) I have no desire to name, or embarrass any, or bring criticism on any others, because of their relationship to me, but they know who they are and that I thank God for each and every one of them! :) True Christians are able to rise above all this and form bonds and interests, trusting in the Lord to settle any differences and reveaal all truth to all in the long run, and bring all into unity with him and thus each other --- if, that is their desire, as it is His.
>
> ..ian
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Why are you ignoring my other questions about the private BSDA chats??
Because I think they they are stupid and paranoid questions.and I can't help it if you choose to keep assuming and jumping to the wrong conclusions and repeating yourself.
But for the record. You added the word "private" I never read any "private" chats by you, (nor did anyone copy to me, repeat any to me or tell me anything about any "private" chats) and. I never claimed that I did,. Iin fact all along I have been telling you the exact opposite. No one told me anything about you except you yourself.
Toodles :wave:
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Whatever, Daryl. Feel free to report any post you so desire, and it will be reviewed accordingly. However, you complained here publicly about Gailon's post but completely ignored Sam's post. THAT, my friend, is NOT "unbiased" as you so vehemently declare yourself to be!
Your intimidation and behind the scenes tactics are not putting you in a good light.
Snoopy,
As long as you yourself post within the forum rules, then I won't report any of your posts, but continue to bait me like that and I will.
Edited to provide clarification of meaning.
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And your discussing reported posts like that is breaking confidentiality of what you know as part of the admin team.
I didn't report that one as I figured you or somebody else would have done that.
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Well, Daryl, I think you know full well that what happened. However, you are now baiting me!!! And you have now violated the forum rules!!:
1. Members will respect the administrative team and their actions. If a member takes issue with a moderator action they should report it privately to administration and can expect a response within 24 hours, although the response may be that the issue is being investigated and a more detailed response will be forthcoming. In no case will the complaint be posted publically.
And your discussing reported posts like that is breaking confidentiality of what you know as part of the admin team.
I didn't report that one as I figured you or somebody else would have done that.
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Daryl and Snoopy, please stop. I love you both.
It might be best if this was taken private before someone says things they don't really mean.
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What reported post was Snoopy discussing?
And your discussing reported posts like that is breaking confidentiality of what you know as part of the admin team.
I didn't report that one as I figured you or somebody else would have done that.
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Daryl and Snoopy, please stop. I love you both.
It might be best if this was taken private before someone says things they don't really mean.
I second that.
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I'd be real interested to know that, myself.
What reported post was Snoopy discussing?
And your discussing reported posts like that is breaking confidentiality of what you know as part of the admin team.
I didn't report that one as I figured you or somebody else would have done that.
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This is the post I am referring to, however, out of love and respect for Fran, I am not pursuing this any further.
Whatever, Daryl. Feel free to report any post you so desire, and it will be reviewed accordingly. However, you complained here publicly about Gailon's post but completely ignored Sam's post. THAT, my friend, is NOT "unbiased" as you so vehemently declare yourself to be!
Your intimidation and behind the scenes tactics are not putting you in a good light.
Snoopy,
As long as you yourself post within the forum rules, then I won't report any of your posts, but continue to bait me like that and I will.
Edited to provide clarification of meaning.
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Daryl, I don't think you answered my question. I asked what reported post Snoopy was discussing. I didn't ask what post she wrote that you thought was referring to a reported post.
Were you possibly mistaken, and she wasn't referring to a reported post at all?
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I could go into detail, however, I won't for the reason that I don't want to reveal what post I actually reported to which Snoopy, being on the admin team, knows and is referring to in her post by saying I reported this person's post, but not the post made by a pro-3ABNist.
And, Snoopy, don't play dumb. You very well know what reported post you were referring to and to what other post that wasn't reported.
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No, Daryl. I haven't a clue what you are talking about, and I'm starting to think that you don't either. If you reported someone's post, I certainly didn't get it. However, if you have an issue with me or any other admin, you need to take up with us privately. You were warned that you were in violation of Forum Rule #1, yet you continue to pursue whatever it is you are trying to pursue. For some reason you seem to think that you are exempt from the forum rules. Is that because you have been threatening forum administration? Maybe everyone reading here should know that you have made private threats behind the scenes about "what would happen if you were banned". What kind of games are you trying to play, Daryl?
I could go into detail, however, I won't for the reason that I don't want to reveal what post I actually reported to which Snoopy, being on the admin team, knows and is referring to in her post by saying I reported this person's post, but not the post made by a pro-3ABNist.
And, Snoopy, don't play dumb. You very well know what reported post you were referring to and to what other post that wasn't reported.
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Someone likes to see a divide and conquer scheme initiated.
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The silence is deafening! I guess the Ian schizophrenic company doesn't want to answer this question. But it is quite obvious that somebody who I thought was a "friend" has provided Ian with internet chat conversations to which Ian was NOT a party!! Hhhmm. Who could that be? I only need two guesses!
Uh-oh. Maybe your schizophrenia is catching up with you Ian/Rosa/Jack Indabocks/quaddie/buttercup...whoever! So now I am stupid and paranoid for wanting to know just which one of my "friends" shared BSDA chats with you? I NEVER CHATTED WITH YOU THERE!! So that means that somebody I DID chat with shared it with you!! Yup! What great "friends" they turned out to be! Oh well - live and learn!
It is amusing now to hear that those "friends" are now pointing the finger at each other!! :ROFL: I do hope they can manage to work it out though, as I think that they need each other!! :ROFL:
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: my answer
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:39:59 -0500
From: Cindy
To: Rosa...
..Ian wrote:
> I am banned there right now to the extent I am blocked from reading the forum eve, Snoopy is answering and claiming she answered before?? hmmm. obviously not true, and Lynette couldn't be more wrong, and thus there is no way she can prove what she thinks and says. Whether about those she claims were her friends or about what she says was at fault with 3abn. Both of those she considered her friends were always and still are far better friends to her, and respecting of her privacy and endlessly concerned about her and her well being than she has ever been of them or theirs, as her posts reveal. She outed them and myself? well see?? that is that 2 wrongs make a right and end justifies the means thinking at work. ( no doubt 'AT" admin will allow it) If they had not been true friends to her, I would have already outed her over a year ago as the mole or spy or thorn at 3abn, for I asked more than once who snoopy was and they apologized and always refused to say or even give a clue. I respected that, as I knew they would do the same with myself where others were concerned.
>
> Sad to say, despite Snoopy's futile and unproven attempts to cast blame on others. it is her own posts, and chats on BSDA, in conjunction with Bob's filing of a letter from her in court and the posts on adventtalk by her and others which clicked together and revealed her identity to me. I am not surprised she won't see that. The phrase "paranoia will destroy ya comes to mind"
>
> Yes I have been in contact with both Jeanette and Cindi as she posts, and I love them both! dearly!! They are true friends and sisters despite some of our differences in opinions, perspectives and POV in some of these issues --with both myself and Lynette as well. And they aren't the only ones I have been in contact with or vice versa in these issues and forum discussions. True friends are a blessing from God. I have met more than my hands can number of new friends and brethren during these past couple of years, and have a respectful, loving and honest relationship with them and have only received the same in return. Some may think me a liar, I don't care, others might be surprized to discover who some of my friends are are.. :D (not really their business tho...) I have no desire to name, or embarrass any, or bring criticism on any others, because of their relationship to me, but they know who they are and that I thank God for each and every one of them! :) True Christians are able to rise above all this and form bonds and interests, trusting in the Lord to settle any differences and reveaal all truth to all in the long run, and bring all into unity with him and thus each other --- if, that is their desire, as it is His.
>
> ..ian
Why are you ignoring my other questions about the private BSDA chats??
Because I think they they are stupid and paranoid questions.and I can't help it if you choose to keep assuming and jumping to the wrong conclusions and repeating yourself.
But for the record. You added the word "private" I never read any "private" chats by you, (nor did anyone copy to me, repeat any to me or tell me anything about any "private" chats) and. I never claimed that I did,. Iin fact all along I have been telling you the exact opposite. No one told me anything about you except you yourself.
Toodles :wave:
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Someone? I think I only need one guess on that one!!
Someone likes to see a divide and conquer scheme initiated.
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So now let me get this straight. For the past couple of month that I have been following this site, I have observed soemthing that amounts to you all who are supposed to be on the same side. slowly but surely turning on each other. Am I seeing correctly, or just missing something?
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It depends on who you're talking about Di. There are some here who pretended to be kind, loving "friends" a long time ago but who have been playing from both sides of the table, under the table!! People you know, and I trusted!! And they have been working quite hard behind the scenes to cause trouble for AdventTalk.
So now let me get this straight. For the past couple of month that I have been following this site, I have observed soemthing that amounts to you all who are supposed to be on the same side. slowly but surely turning on each other. Am I seeing correctly, or just missing something?
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So now let me get this straight. For the past couple of month that I have been following this site, I have observed soemthing that amounts to you all who are supposed to be on the same side. slowly but surely turning on each other. Am I seeing correctly, or just missing something?
No, I wouldn't say that was correct at all, princessdi.
The ones who have been on the "same side" have not changed or turned against each other.
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Was this the kind of reply that should have been posted?
SAM: YOU are the "laughing stocK"...didn't want to give up the documents and had to dismiss your case???? What a pathetic laughing stock at that. Gutless wonders is what you represent!!!! You knew you were DEAD WRONG the whole time and tried to BLUFF ME and adventism!!! YOU WERE GUILTY and tired to BLUFF us into believing Linda Sue Shelton was the adulteress. DANNY LEE SHELTON committed Biblical adultery...did you get that SAM!!! And you still allow that face on 3ABN??? Keep it up and it will be your demise!!! The Lord will not support OPEN AND NOTORIOUS SIN!!! Your ship will most assuredly take on water as the storm grows more bold!!! Best heave overboard he that troubleth Israel!!!
Sam, you are also the snake in the graass that I have always suspected you were...you dare charge a volunteer with immoral and illegal conduct that innocently went to work for a publicly trusted 501-c-3 tax exempt organization and the volunteer simply discovered the "FOUNDER" and the "FACE OF ADVENTISM" also know as "MR 3ABN" and the "CHOSEN ONE" had his hands in the offering bucket? There are not enough words to describe the contempt I feel for, and heap upon you!!!! HYPOCRICY is what it is!!! PURE UNMITIGATED HYPOCRICY!!!
And just in case you think that this "volunteer" turned whistleblower is alone, you have many a think coming to you. And we have a growing body of evidence to support their claims!!!! YOU SUPPORT THE PIC-POCKET AND DAMN THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Now that IS the 3ABN we have come to know and DISDAIN!!!
Now here is the the breaking news...there is yet another "trouble-shooter" within your midst so you best behave and follow the moral code you pretend to support, for mother church is watching!!!! And if they were not, I WILL BE!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Then page 10 goes into a discussion of 3ABN Management and re-iterates that lack of information regarding what the Board did but that management "fell to the almost unfettered discretion" of the Sheltons.
Snoopy get over it...to any certified accountant, to any christian and to any moral person...you are a laughingstock. You go to 3abn to spy for the people they are in litigation with, you give out confidential information and add to it whatever fits your fancy. You gossip and spin the truth on these internet sites and then when your identity is exposed, you become furious. You then vow to "spill your guts" so to speak against 3abn. Imagine, you are the spy, you put yourself out there but when you are exposed you're mad at 3abn.
If all of that isn't a big enough joke, you then submit consulting bills to pickle and joy that in turn they want to submit to the court. Why? To try and get 3abn to compensate all of you!!!!!!! You want 3abn to pay you for spying on them under the pretense of helping!!! Ohhh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive.
According to you, you were only there for 10 weeks, every other week so you really must have the scoop on all. LOL I could be wrong but wasn't it about the same time you were volunteering/spying that you were dealing with your stalker situation? Seems like your mind might have been on too many things at once to know much of anything.
Without a doubt, your license should be taken away, you should be disfellowshipped from the church....if you hadn't already backslidden....and then you should be asking 3abn's forgiveness instead of asking them for money.
Oh well, we can always hope that if enough people find out what you've done, you will never be hired by any credible firm. People like to be able to trust their accountants.
Daryl:
May I ask, what kind of reply should have Gailon posted? Sam made some outrageous accusations against Snoopy, insulted and threatened her just as he insulted and threatened me not too long ago. Let me summarize Sam's post:
ACCUSATIONS (MIXED WITH INSULTS):
1. Snoopy get over it...to any certified accountant, to any christian and to any moral person...you are a laughingstock.
2. You go to 3abn to spy for the people they are in litigation with, you give out confidential information and add to it whatever fits your fancy.
3. You gossip and spin the truth on these internet sites and then when your identity is exposed, you become furious.
4. You then vow to "spill your guts" so to speak against 3abn. Imagine, you are the spy, you put yourself out there but when you are exposed you're mad at 3abn.
5. If all of that isn't a big enough joke, you then submit consulting bills to pickle and joy that in turn they want to submit to the court.
6. Why? To try and get 3abn to compensate all of you!!!!!!!
7. You want 3abn to pay you for spying on them under the pretense of helping!!!
8. Ohhh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive.
INSULTS:
1. According to you, you were only there for 10 weeks, every other week so you really must have the scoop on all.
2. LOL I could be wrong but wasn't it about the same time you were volunteering/spying that you were dealing with your stalker situation?
3. Seems like your mind might have been on too many things at once to know much of anything.
THREATS (MIXED WITH INSULTS):
1. Without a doubt, your license should be taken away, you should be disfellowshipped from the church....if you hadn't already backslidden....
2. and then you should be asking 3abn's forgiveness instead of asking them for money.
3. Oh well, we can always hope that if enough people find out what you've done, you will never be hired by any credible firm. People like to be able to trust their accountants.
GAILON RESPONDED TO THE ACCUSATIONS, INSULTS, AND TREATS MADE BY SAM AGAINST SNOOPY:
1. What a pathetic laughing stock at that. Gutless wonders is what you represent!!!!
You knew you were DEAD WRONG the whole time and tried to BLUFF ME and Adventism!!!
2. YOU WERE GUILTY and tired to BLUFF us into believing Linda Sue Shelton was the adulteress.
3. DANNY LEE SHELTON committed Biblical adultery...did you get that SAM!!!
And you still allow that face on 3ABN??? Keep it up and it will be your demise!!!
The Lord will not support OPEN AND NOTORIOUS SIN!!!
4. Your ship will most assuredly take on water as the storm grows more bold!!! Best heave overboard he that troubleth Israel!!!
5. Sam, you are also the snake in the graass that I have always suspected you were...you dare charge a volunteer with immoral and illegal conduct that innocently went to work for a publicly trusted 501-c-3 tax exempt organization and the volunteer simply discovered the "FOUNDER" and the "FACE OF ADVENTISM" also know as "MR 3ABN" and the "CHOSEN ONE" had his hands in the offering bucket? There are not enough words to describe the contempt I feel for, and heap upon you!!!! HYPOCRICY is what it is!!! PURE UNMITIGATED HYPOCRICY!!!
6. And just in case you think that this "volunteer" turned whistleblower is alone, you have many a think coming to you. And we have a growing body of evidence to support their claims!!!! YOU SUPPORT THE PIC-POCKET AND DAMN THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Now that IS the 3ABN we have come to know and DISDAIN!!!
7. Now here is the the breaking news...there is yet another "trouble-shooter" within your midst so you best behave and follow the moral code you pretend to support, for mother church is watching!!!! And if they were not, I WILL BE!!!
Was Gailon wrong? Did he misread Sam's post? Did he make any inaccurate statement about Sam? Has not Sam accused those who opposed to and spoke against Danny Shelton's abuse of privileges and evil deeds of all sorts of things? Has he not attacked them, harassed them, and threatened them with the fires of Hell and the wrath of the "Prophet"? Has he not defended Danny Shelton and his gang of thugs against all those who have revealed the wickedness, meanness, and cruelty with which Danny Shelton and his mercenaries have dealt with dozens of 3ABN employees who have refused to participate in the corruption, perversion, theft and promiscuity that have been taking place for too long there?
You have probably forgotten the true Jesus and his real character. You must still remember him as a feminine individual, holding a lamb in his arms, and always ready to say a nice word to all people, as someone who never stood for the right, and never reproved those who comitted evil. You must have forgotten the sparks of anger in His eyes when He denounced the leaders of the church of his day, and you don't remember anymore how He went into the temple court and drove away all the money makers and thieves there. You don't remember all the "unkind" words He told the "teachers of the law" when He unmasked their imposture and perversion:
Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."
Mark 7:5-7 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Matt 23:25-26 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Matt 23:27-29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Failure to speak openly, clearly, and strongly against evil and against evil men makes one an accomplice to those who commit evil. Now it is not the time to be gentle with Danny Shelton and his evil company who have mistreated and abused 3ABN employees for decades, who have fired those who dared to reveal the dark works at 3ABN, and who have threatened and persecuted all those who wanted God's people to know the true colors of the "Prophet." It is time now for Danny Shelton be be know as a promiscuous individual and as an adulterer, as a persecuter and thief, as an abuser of privileges and perverter of the truth.
Those who draw the sword will perish by the sword!
Eduard
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Yeah, well, Ariste, I really would go for this. However, in posts dated from Nov. 25 there had has been a increasingly heated exchange between Daryl and Snoopy. This was a love fest when I got here. Not to mention the "alliances" broken with others since leaving BSDA.
I have said it before. This is no longer about "doing the right thing". God is not the author of confusion. And the "fight" has caused quite a bit. Some rethinking should be going on right about now, But then that is just me. Carry on. I apologize. I really don't know enough about the behinds the scenes activity to make such comments. I can only judge by what I see posted, and that looks pretty bad. In fact, if the behind the scenes is anything like what is going on online, I can see why Danny dropped the law suit.
No, I wouldn't say that was correct at all, princessdi.
The ones who have been on the "same side" have not changed or turned against each other.
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Yeah, well, Ariste, I really would go for this. However, in posts dated from Nov. 25 there had has been a increasingly heated exchange between Daryl and Snoopy. This was a love fest when I got here. Not to mention the "alliances" broken with others since leaving BSDA.
I have said it before. This is no longer about "doing the right thing". God is not the author of confusion. And the "fight" has caused quite a bit. Some rethinking should be going on right about now, But then that is just me. Carry on. I apologize. I really don't know enough about the behinds the scenes activity to make such comments. I can only judge by what I see posted, and that looks pretty bad. In fact, if the behind the scenes is anything like what is going on online, I can see why Danny dropped the law suit.
No, I wouldn't say that was correct at all, princessdi.
The ones who have been on the "same side" have not changed or turned against each other.
Princessdi, your apparent lack of understanding about some of the more delicate issues that have cropped up recently on this forum are understandable, since, as you have, said, you don't know what has been going on behind the scenes.
Perhaps you see mostly the complaints of someone who has caused a number of problems for an extended period of time, problems that were kept from the public forum in order to preserve the appearance, if not the reality, of peace.
As for your belief that people have "changed sides", perhaps something closer to the reality is that people's innate attitudes have finally come to the surface; although claiming to be "unbiased", they have finally revealed their true bias.
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I don't really see anyone changing sides, as I see a difference of opinions on directions and strategies and those who don't agree then being perceived as enemies. I truly believe everyone has more or less, sans personal agendas and sub alliances, the same goal, just different strategies to accomplish it. It causes comfilcts. However, it is how we handle these conflicts before the world that tells that we are christians..................Do any of you believe the handling of this situation has been a effectve witness for God?
The only thing I am saying it just doesn't look good. It looks as if you are imploding. There is even some admission to a divide and conquer strategy at work here. Why would Danny continue with the lawsuit when it seems the infighting will get the job done much faster and without him looking like the bad guy......again? Lord knows knows he has done enough to rightfully earn that title, he might want to save what is left of his good name as much as possible. I am just not sure that there should have at least been an agreement to continue the infighting "offline", until they could come to some kind of agreement.
This is the world wide web. I know a great deal, but not all and it looks that bad, then how does it look to those who know little or nothing at all? Will it endear anyone to join "the cause" you perceive to be right? I don't believe that was taken into consideration.
Princessdi, your apparent lack of understanding about some of the more delicate issues that have cropped up recently on this forum are understandable, since, as you have, said, you don't know what has been going on behind the scenes.
Perhaps you see mostly the complaints of someone who has caused a number of problems for an extended period of time, problems that were kept from the public forum in order to preserve the appearance, if not the reality, of peace.
As for your belief that people have "changed sides", perhaps something closer to the reality is that people's innate attitudes have finally come to the surface; although claiming to be "unbiased", they have finally revealed their true bias.
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A "love fest" when you got here??? Gurl, please. You signed up here on August 29 right?? :ROFL:
Yeah, well, Ariste, I really would go for this. However, in posts dated from Nov. 25 there had has been a increasingly heated exchange between Daryl and Snoopy. This was a love fest when I got here. Not to mention the "alliances" broken with others since leaving BSDA.
I have said it before. This is no longer about "doing the right thing". God is not the author of confusion. And the "fight" has caused quite a bit. Some rethinking should be going on right about now, But then that is just me. Carry on. I apologize. I really don't know enough about the behinds the scenes activity to make such comments. I can only judge by what I see posted, and that looks pretty bad. In fact, if the behind the scenes is anything like what is going on online, I can see why Danny dropped the law suit.
No, I wouldn't say that was correct at all, princessdi.
The ones who have been on the "same side" have not changed or turned against each other.
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I don't really see anyone changing sides, as I see a difference of opinions on directions and strategies and those who don't agree then being perceived as enemies.
You said it correctly. :thumbsup:
I could say more, but I won't say more at this time, but, if I do say more, it won't be said here.
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Why would Danny continue with the lawsuit when it seems the infighting will get the job done much faster and without him looking like the bad guy......again?
Princessdi, you would not have made that comment if you had been following the posts that reveal what has been going on with the lawsuit.
There is no infighting.
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You know from administrating at BSDA, my cursory scan is a bit more detailed that most. However, it really doesn't take much to know that the lawsuit was dropped, there is at least one thread about it, right? No infighting? What do you call the exchange between Daryl and Snoopy? Snoop is my Gurl, and i like Daryl, too, but it is what it is. I guess because at BSDA people will never know whether the moderators or admins disagree because it would not be played out on board. This is something that doesn't even occur to any of us as a path to take. Then there are those being called traitors, spies and such who used to be trusted workers in the effort...come one now, Ariste, you gots to tell that one to somebody else. I guess you really don't see this like people see it form the outside.....trust me, I wouldn't lie to you....it looks REAL bad.
Princessdi, you would not have made that comment if you had been following the posts that reveal what has been going on with the lawsuit.
There is no infighting.
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You know from administrating at BSDA, my cursory scan is a bit more detailed that most. However, it really doesn't take much to know that the lawsuit was dropped, there is at least one thread about it, right?
Princessdi, you have ignored my comment referring to your ignorance of the reason the lawsuit was apparently dropped...and you have not followed the information closely enough to determine the sequence of events...your explanation of "infighting" as a cause for dropping the lawsuit remains inappropriate.
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The court was given four reasons for dropping the lawsuit:
- 3ABN got the domain names already.
- The IRS vindicated 3ABN.
- The EEOC vindicated 3ABN.
- Donations are back up to what they were before, thanks to 3ABN's reputation being restored.
But:
- The court had already been told about the other domain names that 3ABN wanted to get too, but haven't.
- According to Duffy, the IRS never got documents pertaining to the 1998 house deal, and the IRS certainly wouldn't say that Danny's 2003 reporting of a horse or horses as cash was acceptable.
- How does anyone know that 3ABN told the truth to the EEOC and gave it all the right documents?
- During a financial crisis like the country is in right now, how can donations be back up to what they were? And how was 3ABN's reputation restored? Did the IRS and the EEOC clear Danny regarding the cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton? Did they determine that Linda was an adulteress after all? Did they determine that Shelley Quinn never called Alyssa a liar? Did they determine that Tommy really did retire because of stress about a ferry?
You know, if you take Remnant's 990's for 2005 through 2007, and add to that what Danny made on the 1998 house deal, you come to roughly $900,000 that he really ought to pay back to 3ABN. Just for the house deal and the Remnant book deals from 2005 to 2007. Who knows how much he has gotten over the years.
Di, what would you do with $900,000?
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Which all continues to beg the question..."Why won't 3ABN release their 2007 Form 990?" If the AG has it, we know there is one, so all they have to do is put it on the fax and hit send! Why the secrecy? My fax confirmation to Mollie is dated November 18.
The court was given four reasons for dropping the lawsuit:
- 3ABN got the domain names already.
- The IRS vindicated 3ABN.
- The EEOC vindicated 3ABN.
- Donations are back up to what they were before, thanks to 3ABN's reputation being restored.
But:
- The court had already been told about the other domain names that 3ABN wanted to get too, but haven't.
- According to Duffy, the IRS never got documents pertaining to the 1998 house deal, and the IRS certainly wouldn't say that Danny's 2003 reporting of a horse or horses as cash was acceptable.
- How does anyone know that 3ABN told the truth to the EEOC and gave it all the right documents?
- During a financial crisis like the country is in right now, how can donations be back up to what they were? And how was 3ABN's reputation restored? Did the IRS and the EEOC clear Danny regarding the cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton? Did they determine that Linda was an adulteress after all? Did they determine that Shelley Quinn never called Alyssa a liar? Did they determine that Tommy really did retire because of stress about a ferry?
You know, if you take Remnant's 990's for 2005 through 2007, and add to that what Danny made on the 1998 house deal, you come to roughly $900,000 that he really ought to pay back to 3ABN. Just for the house deal and the Remnant book deals from 2005 to 2007. Who knows how much he has gotten over the years.
Di, what would you do with $900,000?
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Was this the kind of reply that should have been posted?
SAM: YOU are the "laughing stocK"...didn't want to give up the documents and had to dismiss your case???? What a pathetic laughing stock at that. Gutless wonders is what you represent!!!! You knew you were DEAD WRONG the whole time and tried to BLUFF ME and adventism!!! YOU WERE GUILTY and tired to BLUFF us into believing Linda Sue Shelton was the adulteress. DANNY LEE SHELTON committed Biblical adultery...did you get that SAM!!! And you still allow that face on 3ABN??? Keep it up and it will be your demise!!! The Lord will not support OPEN AND NOTORIOUS SIN!!! Your ship will most assuredly take on water as the storm grows more bold!!! Best heave overboard he that troubleth Israel!!!
Sam, you are also the snake in the graass that I have always suspected you were...you dare charge a volunteer with immoral and illegal conduct that innocently went to work for a publicly trusted 501-c-3 tax exempt organization and the volunteer simply discovered the "FOUNDER" and the "FACE OF ADVENTISM" also know as "MR 3ABN" and the "CHOSEN ONE" had his hands in the offering bucket? There are not enough words to describe the contempt I feel for, and heap upon you!!!! HYPOCRICY is what it is!!! PURE UNMITIGATED HYPOCRICY!!!
And just in case you think that this "volunteer" turned whistleblower is alone, you have many a think coming to you. And we have a growing body of evidence to support their claims!!!! YOU SUPPORT THE PIC-POCKET AND DAMN THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Now that IS the 3ABN we have come to know and DISDAIN!!!
Now here is the the breaking news...there is yet another "trouble-shooter" within your midst so you best behave and follow the moral code you pretend to support, for mother church is watching!!!! And if they were not, I WILL BE!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Then page 10 goes into a discussion of 3ABN Management and re-iterates that lack of information regarding what the Board did but that management "fell to the almost unfettered discretion" of the Sheltons.
Snoopy get over it...to any certified accountant, to any christian and to any moral person...you are a laughingstock. You go to 3abn to spy for the people they are in litigation with, you give out confidential information and add to it whatever fits your fancy. You gossip and spin the truth on these internet sites and then when your identity is exposed, you become furious. You then vow to "spill your guts" so to speak against 3abn. Imagine, you are the spy, you put yourself out there but when you are exposed you're mad at 3abn.
If all of that isn't a big enough joke, you then submit consulting bills to pickle and joy that in turn they want to submit to the court. Why? To try and get 3abn to compensate all of you!!!!!!! You want 3abn to pay you for spying on them under the pretense of helping!!! Ohhh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive.
According to you, you were only there for 10 weeks, every other week so you really must have the scoop on all. LOL I could be wrong but wasn't it about the same time you were volunteering/spying that you were dealing with your stalker situation? Seems like your mind might have been on too many things at once to know much of anything.
Without a doubt, your license should be taken away, you should be disfellowshipped from the church....if you hadn't already backslidden....and then you should be asking 3abn's forgiveness instead of asking them for money.
Oh well, we can always hope that if enough people find out what you've done, you will never be hired by any credible firm. People like to be able to trust their accountants.
Daryl:
May I ask, what kind of reply should have Gailon posted? Sam made some outrageous accusations against Snoopy, insulted and threatened her just as he insulted and threatened me not too long ago. Let me summarize Sam's post:
ACCUSATIONS (MIXED WITH INSULTS):
1. Snoopy get over it...to any certified accountant, to any christian and to any moral person...you are a laughingstock.
2. You go to 3abn to spy for the people they are in litigation with, you give out confidential information and add to it whatever fits your fancy.
3. You gossip and spin the truth on these internet sites and then when your identity is exposed, you become furious.
4. You then vow to "spill your guts" so to speak against 3abn. Imagine, you are the spy, you put yourself out there but when you are exposed you're mad at 3abn.
5. If all of that isn't a big enough joke, you then submit consulting bills to pickle and joy that in turn they want to submit to the court.
6. Why? To try and get 3abn to compensate all of you!!!!!!!
7. You want 3abn to pay you for spying on them under the pretense of helping!!!
8. Ohhh what a web we weave when we practice to deceive.
INSULTS:
1. According to you, you were only there for 10 weeks, every other week so you really must have the scoop on all.
2. LOL I could be wrong but wasn't it about the same time you were volunteering/spying that you were dealing with your stalker situation?
3. Seems like your mind might have been on too many things at once to know much of anything.
THREATS (MIXED WITH INSULTS):
1. Without a doubt, your license should be taken away, you should be disfellowshipped from the church....if you hadn't already backslidden....
2. and then you should be asking 3abn's forgiveness instead of asking them for money.
3. Oh well, we can always hope that if enough people find out what you've done, you will never be hired by any credible firm. People like to be able to trust their accountants.
GAILON RESPONDED TO THE ACCUSATIONS, INSULTS, AND TREATS MADE BY SAM AGAINST SNOOPY:
1. What a pathetic laughing stock at that. Gutless wonders is what you represent!!!!
You knew you were DEAD WRONG the whole time and tried to BLUFF ME and Adventism!!!
2. YOU WERE GUILTY and tired to BLUFF us into believing Linda Sue Shelton was the adulteress.
3. DANNY LEE SHELTON committed Biblical adultery...did you get that SAM!!!
And you still allow that face on 3ABN??? Keep it up and it will be your demise!!!
The Lord will not support OPEN AND NOTORIOUS SIN!!!
4. Your ship will most assuredly take on water as the storm grows more bold!!! Best heave overboard he that troubleth Israel!!!
5. Sam, you are also the snake in the graass that I have always suspected you were...you dare charge a volunteer with immoral and illegal conduct that innocently went to work for a publicly trusted 501-c-3 tax exempt organization and the volunteer simply discovered the "FOUNDER" and the "FACE OF ADVENTISM" also know as "MR 3ABN" and the "CHOSEN ONE" had his hands in the offering bucket? There are not enough words to describe the contempt I feel for, and heap upon you!!!! HYPOCRICY is what it is!!! PURE UNMITIGATED HYPOCRICY!!!
6. And just in case you think that this "volunteer" turned whistleblower is alone, you have many a think coming to you. And we have a growing body of evidence to support their claims!!!! YOU SUPPORT THE PIC-POCKET AND DAMN THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Now that IS the 3ABN we have come to know and DISDAIN!!!
7. Now here is the the breaking news...there is yet another "trouble-shooter" within your midst so you best behave and follow the moral code you pretend to support, for mother church is watching!!!! And if they were not, I WILL BE!!!
Was Gailon wrong? Did he misread Sam's post? Did he make any inaccurate statement about Sam? Has not Sam accused those who opposed to and spoke against Danny Shelton's abuse of privileges and evil deeds of all sorts of things? Has he not attacked them, harassed them, and threatened them with the fires of Hell and the wrath of the "Prophet"? Has he not defended Danny Shelton and his gang of thugs against all those who have revealed the wickedness, meanness, and cruelty with which Danny Shelton and his mercenaries have dealt with dozens of 3ABN employees who have refused to participate in the corruption, perversion, theft and promiscuity that have been taking place for too long there?
You have probably forgotten the true Jesus and his real character. You must still remember him as a feminine individual, holding a lamb in his arms, and always ready to say a nice word to all people, as someone who never stood for the right, and never reproved those who comitted evil. You must have forgotten the sparks of anger in His eyes when He denounced the leaders of the church of his day, and you don't remember anymore how He went into the temple court and drove away all the money makers and thieves there. You don't remember all the "unkind" words He told the "teachers of the law" when He unmasked their imposture and perversion:
Matt 23:31-33 "Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers' guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell?"
Matt 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."
Mark 7:5-7 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Matt 23:25-26 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Matt 23:27-29 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Failure to speak openly, clearly, and strongly against evil and against evil men makes one an accomplice to those who commit evil. Now it is not the time to be gentle with Danny Shelton and his evil company who have mistreated and abused 3ABN employees for decades, who have fired those who dared to reveal the dark works at 3ABN, and who have threatened and persecuted all those who wanted God's people to know the true colors of the "Prophet." It is time now for Danny Shelton be be know as a promiscuous individual and as an adulterer, as a persecuter and thief, as an abuser of privileges and perverter of the truth.
Those who draw the sword will perish by the sword!
Eduard
I say, Eduard, I think it's about time to exhale. Aint no answer coming, Bro.
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Ian, how about if we use our inside voices here, OK? I have edited your post accordingly. You have a better day, too!! Why don't you try some of that tea??
ADMIN HAT OFF
I say, Eduard, I think it's about time to exhale. Aint no answer coming, Bro.
Perhaps a soothing hot cup of chamomile tea might also be helpful.. It occurs to me that maybe no answer is coming because as usual the answer has already been given but was disregarded and ignored?
Instant Replay (close captioned for the hearing impaired):
Was this the kind of reply Sam was expecting?
Was this the kind of reply that should have been posted?
Are you telling me that you take issue to Gailon's reply to Sammy but not to Sammy's post? Good grief! What happened to "unbiased" Daryl??
OK, Snoopy, you baited me on this, and I am going to take the bait on account of the fact that you made a private issue public.
I take issue to both posts "biased" Snoopy!
Whatever, Daryl. Feel free to report any post you so desire, and it will be reviewed accordingly. However, you complained here publicly about Gailon's post but completely ignored Sam's post. THAT, my friend, is NOT "unbiased" as you so vehemently declare yourself to be!
Your intimidation and behind the scenes tactics are not putting you in a good light.
And your discussing reported posts like that is breaking confidentiality of what you know as part of the admin team.
I didn't report that one as I figured you or somebody else would have done that.
Well, Daryl, I think you know full well that what happened. However, you are now baiting me!!! And you have now violated the forum rules!!:
1. Members will respect the administrative team and their actions. If a member takes issue with a moderator action they should report it privately to administration and can expect a response within 24 hours, although the response may be that the issue is being investigated and a more detailed response will be forthcoming. In no case will the complaint be posted publically.
You all have a better day. :wave:
..ian
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Ian,
When Daryl wrote, "And your discussing reported posts like that is ....," he was mistaken. And I think he will acknowledge that. He did not report the post by Gailon which was under discussion, as far as I know.
And Snoopy is correct, from what I recall, that Daryl publicly complained about Gailon's post but not about Sam's post.
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Ian,
When Daryl wrote, "And your discussing reported posts like that is ....," he was mistaken. And I think he will acknowledge that. He did not report the post by Gailon which was under discussion, as far as I know.
And Snoopy is correct, from what I recall, that Daryl publicly complained about Gailon's post but not about Sam's post.
Well of course that is your spin, and also your personal interpretation of what "I take issue to both posts" and "I didn't report that one as I figured you or somebody else would have done that." means...
Not surprised here...
Good bye.
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No, it isn't my spin. It's the truth.
Snoopy said, "However, you complained here publicly about Gailon's post but completely ignored Sam's post."
Daryl said, "And your discussing reported posts like that is breaking confidentiality ...."
Daryl mistakenly thought that "complained here publicly" meant "discussing reported posts." He was wrong. We all make mistakes.
Also, Daryl wrote, "Was this the kind of reply that should have been posted?" He wrote that about Gailon's post, not Sam's post. And thus Snoopy was correct when she wrote that Daryl had complained publicly about Gailon's post but not about Sam's post.
Daryl did not complain about Sam's post until after Snoopy said, "Are you telling me that you take issue to Gailon's reply to Sammy but not to Sammy's post?"
And anyone can see that the above is the truth, not spin, based on what you yourself posted.
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I thought Snoopy was publically referring to a post that I had reported, however, after looking over this thread more carefully, I realize she wasn't, therefore, I publically apologize for that mistake on my part.
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Ian,
When Daryl wrote, "And your discussing reported posts like that is ....," he was mistaken. And I think he will acknowledge that. He did not report the post by Gailon which was under discussion, as far as I know.
And Snoopy is correct, from what I recall, that Daryl publicly complained about Gailon's post but not about Sam's post.
Well of course that is your spin, and also your personal interpretation of what "I take issue to both posts" and "I didn't report that one as I figured you or somebody else would have done that." means...
Not surprised here...
Good bye.
See, Ian. I was correct when I said that Daryl would probably acknowledge that he made a mistake.
Now if Danny Shelton would only be as willing to acknowledge his mistakes instead of engaging in more cover up.
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All that spinning. . . can be hard to figure out.
Thank you, Daryl!
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Daryl,
That took a man of great character, which I have always thought you to be. Thank you. I appreciate your comments very much.
Snoopy
I thought Snoopy was publically referring to a post that I had reported, however, after looking over this thread more carefully, I realize she wasn't, therefore, I publically apologize for that mistake on my part.
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Daryl,
That took a man of great character, which I have always thought you to be. Thank you. I appreciate your comments very much.
Snoopy
:amen: :thumbsup:
(Sorry, Ian. No juicy news here after all. :ROFL:)
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Well, now...let me see.......is sure would NOT include paying lawyers to sue somebody who basically told the truth. LOL!!
Seriously, I don't believe ".....because they are going to self destruct from all appearances a lot quicker than this lawsuit is moving" is an appropriate legal reason for stopping a lawsuit.
I jes sayin' folks, if I see it others see it. You don't get to be the control freak Danny is missing such opportunities when handed to him.
There is a simple solution to all of this. Instead of trying to convince me that I am not seeing what is apparent, just take the adivce in the spirit in whic it is given and don't post your disagreements, no matter how minor. Daryl's apology is within the spirit of which I speak(Well done). Next time, just PM Snoopy and leave all report PMs and regular PMS "private" as they should be. No one would ever be the wiser.
And donations can be back up....when nobody else's is......Cuz God is still on the throne...........and they be's Adventis*I think since the lawsuit done been dropped), and Adventists be's God's favorite children right about now, right? The Remnant and all? "Is there anything too hard for God? :dunno:
The court was given four reasons for dropping the lawsuit:
- 3ABN got the domain names already.
- The IRS vindicated 3ABN.
- The EEOC vindicated 3ABN.
- Donations are back up to what they were before, thanks to 3ABN's reputation being restored.
But:
- The court had already been told about the other domain names that 3ABN wanted to get too, but haven't.
- According to Duffy, the IRS never got documents pertaining to the 1998 house deal, and the IRS certainly wouldn't say that Danny's 2003 reporting of a horse or horses as cash was acceptable.
- How does anyone know that 3ABN told the truth to the EEOC and gave it all the right documents?
- During a financial crisis like the country is in right now, how can donations be back up to what they were? And how was 3ABN's reputation restored? Did the IRS and the EEOC clear Danny regarding the cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton? Did they determine that Linda was an adulteress after all? Did they determine that Shelley Quinn never called Alyssa a liar? Did they determine that Tommy really did retire because of stress about a ferry?
You know, if you take Remnant's 990's for 2005 through 2007, and add to that what Danny made on the 1998 house deal, you come to roughly $900,000 that he really ought to pay back to 3ABN. Just for the house deal and the Remnant book deals from 2005 to 2007. Who knows how much he has gotten over the years.
Di, what would you do with $900,000?
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I thought Snoopy was publically referring to a post that I had reported, however, after looking over this thread more carefully, I realize she wasn't, therefore, I publically apologize for that mistake on my part.
Thank you Daryl, but just for clarification purposes here... would that be the report that Snoopy publicly claimed she never saw and Bob publicly claimed wasn't made, in the following posts?
Snoopy: "No, Daryl. I haven't a clue what you are talking about, and I'm starting to think that you don't either. If you reported someone's post, I certainly didn't get it..."
Bob: "He did not report the post by Gailon which was under discussion, as far as I know."
Daryl,
That took a man of great character, which I have always thought you to be. Thank you. I appreciate your comments very much.
Snoopy
:amen: :thumbsup:
(Sorry, Ian. No juicy news here after all. :ROFL:)
Duane Clem
"It's not about religion, it's about a relationship."
Sorry, Duane, but even tho you may not have noticed? "juicy news" is all over this forum, and seems to me to be the foundation that this forum was built on and why so many of you have made it your home...
:goodpost: Thank you for reminding me of why I should stay gone.
So, I apologize to all for my post here which made it necessary for Snoopy to drag her hat out and dust it off and speak in her bold red inside top post voice again, and just gave Bob a reason to further pontificate, and Duane the opportunity to roll in laughter.
A lack of good judgment on my part, and a misguided need to defend someone not even in agreement with me, and not needing my help. -- quite obviously my bad...
May you all find what you seek, and get what you ask for, and recognize that when you do.
Au Revoir
..ian
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No, Ian, Daryl was not referring to "the report that Snoopy publicly claimed she never saw and Bob publicly claimed wasn't made, in the following posts."
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:goodpost: Thank you for reminding me of why I should stay gone.
Hey, no problem.
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With all that's going on here, perhaps I should also stay gone.
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Last I checked, nobody forces anybody to be here!! :wave:
By the way, attached is an interesting document from the State of Washington regarding 3ABN's ability to issue new charitable gift annuities in that state in 2007. Given Dr. Thompson's recent affidavit filed with the court stating that donations are back up to the "level enjoyed before the attack", I assume 3ABN is now able to adequately fund their liabilities to the extent that the suspension would have been lifted. I'll check on that tomorrow.
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And Ian, you and Rosa and Jack have all made quite a contribution to the "juicy news" here... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Please do give your DID buddies my regards...
Sorry, Duane, but even tho you may not have noticed? "juicy news" is all over this forum, and seems to me to be the foundation that this forum was built on and why so many of you have made it your home...
:goodpost: Thank you for reminding me of why I should stay gone.
So, I apologize to all for my post here which made it necessary for Snoopy to drag her hat out and dust it off and speak in her bold red inside top post voice again, and just gave Bob a reason to further pontificate, and Duane the opportunity to roll in laughter.
A lack of good judgment on my part, and a misguided need to defend someone not even in agreement with me, and not needing my help. -- quite obviously my bad...
May you all find what you seek, and get what you ask for, and recognize that when you do.
Au Revoir
..ian
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Subject: HAPPY THANKSGIVING
From: jean - - - <- - -@q.com>
Date: Wed, November 26, 2008 4:48 pm
To: <linda@lindashelton.org>
I haven't written you befor but I want to tell you that I still miss your messages on the front porch. I never believed any of the gossip and you and your children are always in my prayers. Sometimes I am thinking you were getting to popular, but maybe not. I love you Linda and I hope you have a nice holiday. I'll be 84 next month. Love, Jean - - -
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The above post tells us that not all believe the gossip proclaimed by some. . .
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Well, I just had to jump in and say something here. I, too, never believed the stories that were told by 3ABN about Linda. Her music and thoughts were such a blessing. I thought that it was so unfair to just obliterate everything about Linda on all of the programs, just like she just never existed. And by the way, I can't stand Danny. When he gets on to interview, I just shut it off. His interview style needs to go by the wayside and he needs to listen and not talk.
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Well, I just had to jump in and say something here. I, too, never believed the stories that were told by 3ABN about Linda. Her music and thoughts were such a blessing. I thought that it was so unfair to just obliterate everything about Linda on all of the programs, just like she just never existed. And by the way, I can't stand Danny. When he gets on to interview, I just shut it off. His interview style needs to go by the wayside and he needs to listen and not talk.
:amen: :amen: :amen:
I have felt sorry for the people he interviews because he talks about himself and they are left sitting there not being able to talk about their mission or why they were asked to be on the program.
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I agree, christined! I don't know Linda at all, but she seems like such a gentle spirit from what little I saw of her on TV. I am glad to see you post your opinion, and hope you will continue to do so!! :puppykisses:
Well, I just had to jump in and say something here. I, too, never believed the stories that were told by 3ABN about Linda. Her music and thoughts were such a blessing. I thought that it was so unfair to just obliterate everything about Linda on all of the programs, just like she just never existed. And by the way, I can't stand Danny. When he gets on to interview, I just shut it off. His interview style needs to go by the wayside and he needs to listen and not talk.
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Well, I just had to jump in and say something here. I, too, never believed the stories that were told by 3ABN about Linda. Her music and thoughts were such a blessing. I thought that it was so unfair to just obliterate everything about Linda on all of the programs, just like she just never existed. And by the way, I can't stand Danny. When he gets on to interview, I just shut it off. His interview style needs to go by the wayside and he needs to listen and not talk.
:amen: :amen: :amen:
I have felt sorry for the people he interviews because he talks about himself and they are left sitting there not being able to talk about their mission or why they were asked to be on the program.
Well, I just had to jump in and say something here. I, too, never believed the stories that were told by 3ABN about Linda. Her music and thoughts were such a blessing. I thought that it was so unfair to just obliterate everything about Linda on all of the programs, just like she just never existed. And by the way, I can't stand Danny. When he gets on to interview, I just shut it off. His interview style needs to go by the wayside and he needs to listen and not talk.
:amen: :amen: :amen:
I have felt sorry for the people he interviews because he talks about himself and they are left sitting there not being able to talk about their mission or why they were asked to be on the program.
:oops: I thought I was the only one.
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Does this have any significance?
http://www.insurance.wa.gov/oicfiles/orders/2006orders/D06-232.pdf
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Yes!! A GREAT deal of significance!
Does this have any significance?
http://www.insurance.wa.gov/oicfiles/orders/2006orders/D06-232.pdf
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How?
Yes!! A GREAT deal of significance!
Does this have any significance?
http://www.insurance.wa.gov/oicfiles/orders/2006orders/D06-232.pdf
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My question probably has nothing to do with the reason for the document being included in this forum.
Did Larry Ewing or anyone at 3ABN pay the fine by the time of the due date as promised?
I don't mean to sound silly but I want to know if it was paid. :dunno:
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My question probably has nothing to do with the reason for the document being included in this forum.
Did Larry Ewing or anyone at 3ABN pay the fine by the time of the due date as promised?
I don't mean to sound silly but I want to know if it was paid. :dunno:
I don't know. But I have read that 3ABN was involved in doing another annuity after they got caught, and that after they got permission in Washington that Larry Ewing ordered documents pertaining to that annuity to be destroyed.
We had asked for documents from 3ABN that could potentially have vindicated 3ABN of these allegations, but just 4 days before they were supposed to produce those documents, they filed their motion to dismiss the case.
What is really bad is that Simpson on October 22 told the court in Illinois that they were going produce documents, which would have been on the 27th, and then he wrote me on the 23rd after filing his motion and said that he wasn't going to.
So you can decide for yourself whether 3ABN was trying to hide the evidence that these allegations were indeed true, or whether it is just coincidental that they never produced the documents that would have cleared them.
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I have no question in my mind as to what they are doing! Evil attracts evil. They can't let the truth be told, and be published for case law in the future! However, it is too late. People can see exactly what and who Danny Shelton was & is all about. He is about lies, adultery, allegedly messing with minor girls just as his brother allegedly messes with minor boys, even his own! He is about stealing money through eBay and Trust Funds, contrary to what "one" says! Je put that money in his many signatory bank accounts. They are still finding bank accounts. What about all of those coins and the $170,000 he thought he had hideden? How many were 3ABN aware of? Not many, huh?
He took what donors sent to spread the gospel and lined his own pockets! He didn't share with anyone, not even his wife! He spent it for his personal use. He had no shame, just greed. His treatment of others is of the devil. When the IRS finishes with him, I wonder if one of his BOD will step in once again and pay for him? They should. They are guilty of contributing to his life of crime! They should be careful. The IRS just might be sitting at their banks doorstep also! The investigation is not over by a long shot!
Look at how many flocked after the lie that he was squeaky clean! They published a bold face lie! It is not over! There is too much out there to calculate! People will be shocked when all is said and done. I am so disgusted at all of the evil that abounds with the support of ASI, 3ABN, Maranatha, and Amazing Facts! They will be held accountable for their part in shielding Danny.
It is time for the truth to be seen by all of the world. Forget about just Adventists! Twenty years is too long! I would encourage those reading to send their money to Global Missions and get the gospel to the world through God's chosen imperfect church! Cease to give money to 3ABN, an entity that has clearly stolen donors funds, and has a BODs that have also supported that ministry when they know what has been gone on all along!
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I am so disgusted at all of the evil that abounds with the support of ASI, 3ABN, Maranatha, and Amazing Facts! They will be held accountable for their part in shielding Danny.
I wonder when ASI, Amazing Facts, and Maranatha will be brought to account.
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God will require it! Now, or later. Their characters are showing for all to see.
I wonder when ASI, Amazing Facts, and Maranatha will be brought to account.
I am so disgusted at all of the evil that abounds with the support of ASI, 3ABN, Maranatha, and Amazing Facts! They will be held accountable for their part in shielding Danny.
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Several things.
First, the document title is "Consent Order Imposing a Fine". That is a real bad sign.
Next Findings of Fact 8 states that "In April of 2003, 3ABN had knowledge that it was required to obtain a Certificate of Exemption before issuing charitable gift annuities in Washington State. 3ABN issued 18 charitable gift annuities in Washington after having knowledge that it was required to obtain a Certificate of Exemption." That tells me that one of two things happened, both equally negative in my opinion. A charitable gift annuity (CGA) falls under the category of a type of life insurance. Life insurance transactions are subject to a great deal of legal and regulatory requirements from which a non-profit issuer must apply for a Certificate of Exemption. Either 3ABN Trust Services/Finance management knew of the requirement in April 2003 but blatantly ignored it and continued soliciting CGAs anyway, OR, someone at 3ABN was informed of the situation but didn't communicate it to those who needed to know. Either way, Washington claims that 3ABN knowingly issued another 18 CGAs after they were aware of the Certificate of Exemption requirement.
Then, 3ABN consented to the order and acknowledged its duty, and it was signed by Larry Ewing on July 19, 2006. The Insurance Commissioner then offered a fine in place of a suspension or revokation of 3ABN's Certificate of Exemption (which would preclude them from soliciting CGAs in the state). The problem is that the fine imposed was $25,700! And failure to pay it within 30 days would constitute grounds for suspension or revocation. As of last week, 3ABN's Certificate of Exemption was suspended. Again I see two possibilities, neither positive. Either 3ABN didn't/couldn't/wouldn't pay the fine, or $25,700 of donor funds went to pay an unnecessary fine and a different offense resulted in additional suspension.
I wonder what internal controls 3ABN has in place to ensure they don't solicit CGAs from residents of Washington.
How?
Yes!! A GREAT deal of significance!
Does this have any significance?
http://www.insurance.wa.gov/oicfiles/orders/2006orders/D06-232.pdf
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That is a great question - not silly at all!! And I would like to know as well. Maybe Ian or GrandmaNettie or anyman or Sam could find out and get back to us.
My question probably has nothing to do with the reason for the document being included in this forum.
Did Larry Ewing or anyone at 3ABN pay the fine by the time of the due date as promised?
I don't mean to sound silly but I want to know if it was paid. :dunno:
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In my opinion, I believe 3ABN should not be able to do Trust Funds in any state or country!
The 3ABN vs IL Property Tax lawsuit clearly states they had problems in this area. Then when comparing the lawsuit to the 990's for those years is very revealing. Then for Jim Gilley to state on the air they will no longer borrow from the trust funds clearly states there is/was a huge problem!
This is just another confirmation that my assessment was correct!
Last night I got to listen to Brenda Walsh speak about Kid's Time and Book Marks, and being involved in a ministry, especially hers at Brenda Walsh.com! IMO, she should be in Hollywood! She is a good performer, if you are considering this as a complement, it is not.
Once I found out what was real and what was the counterfeit, it is hard for me to listen to them (Danny and Brenda) just roll out the name of Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit with such ease. Her phone conversation was given with the same enthusiasm! Those words just rolled right out with ease. According to her presentation yeaterday, the Holy Spirit must have led her to tell such awful things that she new were NOT TRUE!
She said she doesn't do anything without praying and asking the Holy Spirit to lead her, so I guess it was her personal holy spirit speaking in that phone conversation.
I believe that God forgives, but I also believe there needs to be admission of wrong doing when the sin is so public. Surely everyone realizes that sin can not be resolved until we admit to ourselves that we are the problem. We must stop blaming others for our choices. She chose to say those things of her own free will.
With every allegation, the person knows what their choices have been. Cherished sins are hard to let go. Destroying people is not of God. What Danny, Brenda, and 3ABN have done to destroy Linda is wrong. This was not of the Real God! None of it was from the Real Holy Spirit. Every time they deny any wrong doing, they move further from God. God has been generous to give some many years to change their ways, but the Holy Spirit has not been able to bring change even now. If one is continually refusing to listen to God's calls through the Holy Spirit, we know what will happen! The Holy Spirit will leave. God has been sending out warning after warning. Is anyone listening?
I pray that I am. This is serious business. As we Seventh-day Adventist must be able to discern between God's Chosen and those who choose themselves for their own gain. There are some people that can sell Eskimos air conditioners in the middle of the winter! We must beware of what we hear. What fruits do the speaker produce? Are their slippery, slick voices of God or Satan. Yes, in every church in the world there are wolfs in sheep's clothing! We must be able to discern what is true at all times, everywhere. We must be diligent and research what is being said by anybody.
My prayer is that God will speak to the hearts of all reading here and help them to make their decision as to what is truth for themselves. I have. We are told to study to show ourselves approved and to learn what is right.
"Seek, and you shall find!"
Everyone has an addiction of some kind. Some are workaholics. This was my downfall. God took it away from me! My selfish hearts desire is to go back to work triple time! I loved it, it gave me a high that I cannot explain. Time could fly and I would not even notice the time. I had to set alarms to stop. I was disappointed when I was interrupted for a useless reason. I can't do that anymore! I missed so much living doing my own thing. I was this way in any task. If I could not make a difference, I just didn't do it. If I were able to work, I am sure I would fight the same thing again.
Alcoholics are always alcoholics, only some are "Recovering Alcoholics". However, they fight it for life unless God cures them!
Sex Addicts are always Sex addicts. They fight always. Some become recovering Sex Addicts.
The sins we keep hearing about can be addictions. Much prayer is needed. An addict must first admit that they are alcoholics before there is hope for them to become recovering alcoholics.
We have heard no one admit anything as yet. How long will the Holy Spirit bear with us all! I sincerely pray that I will be able to accept Jesus in my life 100% and allow him to control my life. I am not so good at controlling myself!
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The Illinois Attorney General's website has the 2006, 2005, 2004 and 2003 annual reports available again in pdf form http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/charities/search/index.jsp. In the 2006 report (page 39 of 42) (page 13 of the auditor's report) it states that "the organization has not maintained an appropriate composition of assets in amounts needed to comply with all donor restrictions." It states that "As of December 31 2006, donations restricted in capitol assets totaled $667,091.69 while total cash on hand was $494,508.15." Are these donor restricitions what the Washington State document regarding 3ABN's ability to issue new Charitable Gift Annuities in that State (March 14 2007 through March 14 2008) was referring to? See reply #123 031407 Washington.pdf
This Washington State document states specifically that 3ABN failed to meet the separate reserve and surplus requirements of RCW 48.38.020(3). The Washington document states that THREE ANGELS BROADCASTING NETWORK INC. filed its annual report December 31,2006 and reported a separate reserve fund balance of $7,409,935 which was less than the required minimum of $13,011,079. The amounts seem to be different but they both indicate a lack of restricted or reserve assets.
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Exactly! Trust Funds - Trust Funds - Trust Funds; Aren't people supposed to TRUST the people or organizations that write their Trust Funds? It is supposed to be a TRUSTED transaction!
Every time I read these facts, I get sick inside. How many times must God cause details to be presented, ignored and scoffed at? God is indeed long suffering!
Once someone finds a way to wheel and deal, it gives an excitement that makes the adrenaline surge through the veins. Yet, everyone has read all the evidence in court documents and still Danny & 3ABN lie about it. Why are they brazen enough to do this? Because the listeners/readers choose to not believe the truth right before their eyes! It is easier to not believe the facts!
They would have to admit they were wrong. That is the hard part.
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Didn't they vote to dip into trust funds to pay for the TCTR books in 2006? And didn't that project put roughly half a million dollars into Danny's pockets?
Since 3ABN ended 2006 with a $3 million loss, the cost of those books, why didn't 3ABN sue Danny instead of us?
And when is Danny going to pay back all that money?
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Well I have heard Danny say he has trouble paying his electric bill! Danny doesn't pay his way. Someone else always has to bail Danny out! The board doesn't seem to mind! The money was from some trusting Trust fund! No sweat, let the donors pay him out of trouble. They can't very well sue Danny since the board maybe voted to do it to protect the counterfeit.
Someone said, "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!" Why are they still digging?
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Well I have heard Danny say he has trouble paying his electric bill! Danny doesn't pay his way. Someone else always has to bail Danny out! The board doesn't seem to mind! The money was from some trusting Trust fund! No sweat, let the donors pay him out of trouble. They can't very well sue Danny since the board maybe voted to do it to protect the counterfeit.
Someone said, "If you find yourself in a hole, stop digging!" Why are they still digging?
I guess that's what I have the hardest time trying to figure out. Why does the board keep Danny around? Why do they think it is to their advantage to do so? What is Danny adding to 3ABN right now?
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I guess that's what I have the hardest time trying to figure out. Why does the board keep Danny around? Why do they think it is to their advantage to do so? What is Danny adding to 3ABN right now?
Could it be stubbornness? A man who never budges once he has made a proclamation? Does it not matter if it is true or false?
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1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
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Several things.
First, the document title is "Consent Order Imposing a Fine". That is a real bad sign.
Next Findings of Fact 8 states that "In April of 2003, 3ABN had knowledge that it was required to obtain a Certificate of Exemption before issuing charitable gift annuities in Washington State. 3ABN issued 18 charitable gift annuities in Washington after having knowledge that it was required to obtain a Certificate of Exemption." That tells me that one of two things happened, both equally negative in my opinion. A charitable gift annuity (CGA) falls under the category of a type of life insurance. Life insurance transactions are subject to a great deal of legal and regulatory requirements from which a non-profit issuer must apply for a Certificate of Exemption. Either 3ABN Trust Services/Finance management knew of the requirement in April 2003 but blatantly ignored it and continued soliciting CGAs anyway, OR, someone at 3ABN was informed of the situation but didn't communicate it to those who needed to know. Either way, Washington claims that 3ABN knowingly issued another 18 CGAs after they were aware of the Certificate of Exemption requirement.
Then, 3ABN consented to the order and acknowledged its duty, and it was signed by Larry Ewing on July 19, 2006. The Insurance Commissioner then offered a fine in place of a suspension or revokation of 3ABN's Certificate of Exemption (which would preclude them from soliciting CGAs in the state). The problem is that the fine imposed was $25,700! And failure to pay it within 30 days would constitute grounds for suspension or revocation. As of last week, 3ABN's Certificate of Exemption was suspended. Again I see two possibilities, neither positive. Either 3ABN didn't/couldn't/wouldn't pay the fine, or $25,700 of donor funds went to pay an unnecessary fine and a different offense resulted in additional suspension.
I wonder what internal controls 3ABN has in place to ensure they don't solicit CGAs from residents of Washington.
How?
Yes!! A GREAT deal of significance!
Does this have any significance?
http://www.insurance.wa.gov/oicfiles/orders/2006orders/D06-232.pdf
Good Grief!!! Haven't you figured out that 3ABN is above the law??? Their contempt for the law can be demonstrated in so many ways we could write a book..."Show Cause Why 3ABN should not be held in Contempt" or "Contempt for the Contemptable"!!!
And Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN could write a book "How to Show Contempt for Dummies!!!".
Any firm that will spend 2Million dollars in legal fees to cover up the sins of the founder should most certainly be considered in contempt of the Law...that is supposing that they feel they must keep the statutes of man...after all, remember, Danny Lee Shelton is the annointed of something...I refuse to believe or print that it was of the Lord!!! Just doesn't fit with the evidence.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Good Grief!!! Haven't you figured out that 3ABN is above the law??? Their contempt for the law can be demonstrated in so many ways we could write a book..."Show Cause Why 3ABN should not be held in Contempt" or "Contempt for the Contemptable"!!!
And Danny Lee Shelton and 3ABN could write a book "How to Show Contempt for Dummies!!!".
Any firm that will spend 2Million dollars in legal fees to cover up the sins of the founder should most certainly be considered in contempt of the Law...that is supposing that they feel they must keep the statutes of man...after all, remember, Danny Lee Shelton is the annointed of something...I refuse to believe or print that it was of the Lord!!! Just doesn't fit with the evidence.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Can we assume that DS independently paid half the legal fees, or claimed it as taxable income on his W-2?
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We can only assume that if we are complete idiots. We have to see the paperwork before we will believe such a thing.
I wonder if Danny did pay half, could Linda claim half of that as hers? Doesn't seem fair if Danny transfered that much of his assets to Simpson and company without giving Linda her portion.
Hey Gailon, could Linda sue Simpson and company and recover whatever of her assets got transferred to Siegel Brill?
Oops! ... Linda Sue Shelton ... Linda sue Shelton ... Capitals are important.
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We can only assume that if we are complete idiots. We have to see the paperwork before we will believe such a thing.
I wonder if Danny did pay half, could Linda claim half of that as hers? Doesn't seem fair if Danny transfered that much of his assets to Simpson and company without giving Linda her portion.
Hey Gailon, could Linda sue Simpson and company and recover whatever of her assets got transferred to Siegel Brill?
Oops! ... Linda Sue Shelton ... Linda sue Shelton ... Capitals are important.
Lol! Hush Bob. You are so bad! Lol!!!!!
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When this tale of spending to defend the miscreant founder gets out, Linda Sue Shelton will be attending the liquidation sale of assetts!!! BUT, THE DIRECTORS THAT DEFAMED, MALICIOUSLY INTERFERED WITH HER PURSUIT OF CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS, ETC
still have PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY!!! Something they are not use to, but with Kurt chasing the Philistines, they best get use to being PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I wonder if Kurt needs a forensic accountant...!!
When this tale of spending to defend the miscreant founder gets out, Linda Sue Shelton will be attending the liquidation sale of assetts!!! BUT, THE DIRECTORS THAT DEFAMED, MALICIOUSLY INTERFERED WITH HER PURSUIT OF CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS, ETC
still have PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY!!! Something they are not use to, but with Kurt chasing the Philistines, they best get use to being PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Gailon;
You are correct, we are all accountable for our actions. For many, God's Wrath has been placed out of our minds. God requires accountability from every one.
This is a good article that reminded me that I am accountable for my actions and so is Danny and 3ABN.
"God's Wrath"
by: Angel Manuel Rodriguez
http://www.adventistreview.org/2004-1533/story4.html
I read this on Christmas day as I waited for my daughter to arrive. It was a good reminder for me. I hope others gain a blessing too.
I still have not heard from the IRS. Go figure.
When this tale of spending to defend the miscreant founder gets out, Linda Sue Shelton will be attending the liquidation sale of assets!!! BUT, THE DIRECTORS THAT DEFAMED, MALICIOUSLY INTERFERED WITH HER PURSUIT OF CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS, ETC
still have PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY!!! Something they are not use to, but with Kurt chasing the Philistines, they best get use to being PERSONALLY ACCOUNTABLE.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Decided to log in to ask the following question:
Didn't anybody here read the post by Stan over at the other 3ABN site?
I will quote here what Stan posted there:
I was informed, by someone I have never met before, but I would consider a reliable source, that the IRS agent who did the investigation was terminated for doing it with out just cause.
Perhaps that is why Fran has not heard back from that person.
Does anyone else have knowledge of that?
Can anybody either verify or refute this?
Logging off again.
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It is hog wash.
The persons that assign the case are not the ones that investigate the case.
The persons who investigate the case are not the persons that assigned the case.
By the way, I got an email from my daughter. She says she has attended church twice now. She is once again trying to get it together. I thought you would love to hear this and would rejoice with me.
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Fran, I do rejoice with you although I know that comment was primarily directed at Daryl. Praise God!
Daryl, I know that a number here do not visit 'the other 3ABN site' because of the general tone of the posts there.....perhaps that
is why nobody commented on Stan's post.
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Fran, that is fantastic! I do hope she doesn't stumble across people or organizations who might turn her off...
By the way, I got an email from my daughter. She says she has attended church twice now. She is once again trying to get it together. I thought you would love to hear this and would rejoice with me.
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Agreed, Emma. It is a bit amusing to see Cindy come over here and complain about "unsupported junk"!!
Daryl, I know that a number here do not visit 'the other 3ABN site' because of the general tone of the posts there.....perhaps that
is why nobody commented on Stan's post.
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Decided to log in to ask the following question:
Didn't anybody here read the post by Stan over at the other 3ABN site?
I will quote here what Stan posted there:
I was informed, by someone I have never met before, but I would consider a reliable source, that the IRS agent who did the investigation was terminated for doing it with out just cause.
Perhaps that is why Fran has not heard back from that person.
Does anyone else have knowledge of that?
Can anybody either verify or refute this?
Logging off again.
Daryl, in no feeble attempt to demean your Intelligent Quotient and especially as a SDA, let me humbly explain the overall internal control of the best known voluntarily self-assessing tax collection agency known to mankind whether you agree to all facits of the program or not. Before I strike out on the internal control facits, let me predicate my remarks on my taxpayer relations about taxpayer's general attitudes on the US system. I personally found in 50 years that taxpayers generally love the system as 97% was voluntarily reported by the taxpayers themselves with only 3% assessed in "examination type settings!"
Now back to the internal controls on tax examinations by the IRS from a "top down" perspective. Examiners are warned in taxpayer\representative relations not to feebly attempt to categorize an examination as to "type" such as "regular" so as not to mislead where the appearance of criminal conduct can enter at any time during the examination. Let the taxpayers\representatives draw their own conclusions throughout the engagement.
Tax returns are made available for examination through various and sundry programs that may require an examination in accordance with statistical assurance of employee integrity or tax collection program quality. The bulk of the tax returns made available to examiners are those that gives the examiner discretion in consultation with their group management whether it be field or office type examinations. Inquiries can be initiated by both the examination and criminal divisions where fraud, both civil or criminal, are indicated. Which division initiating the initial inquiry into this alleged matter is not material; however, we all understand that both the examination and criminal divisions were allegedly involved. Joint examinations between the two divisions are conducted in an independent yet cooperative manner. The two divisions exercise their individual cooperative examinations in such a manner that the criminal division remains cooperative so long as there are criminal aspects remaining that must be addressed by the criminal court system. Keep in mind that criminal fraud and civil fraud penalties appertaining to tax matters are not synonymous. Criminal penalties are set dollar amounts as well as potential confinement; whereas, civil fraud penalties involve a percentage of tax based on civil fraud acts rather than possible technical adjustment matters.
Everybody should understand that this alleged examination was initiated from a thrird party information rather than an examiner initiated, either division, matter. Examiners have a lot of discretion to initiate an examination under the guidance of their immediate superiors as the internal controls in place require the concurrance of management on a number of levels appertaining to bottom-up initiated examinations. The bottom line on the discretion of examiner initiated examinations is that an examiner can extend an examination backward or forward with the approval of superior management either by requesting the appurtnant return of copy of return obtained from the taxpayer.
The bottom line of this discussion is to dispell any insinuations about IRS personnel being terminated by "doing it without just cause" or "examiners discussing actual examinations with informants", both of which are baldfaced fabrications, aka bald faced lies! Furthermore, anyone using the following as averment of truth, "someone I have never met before, but I would consider a reliable source", would be immediately branded as a baldfaced liar, even the President of GC(period).
I hope I may have exploded the bubbles some may have rationalized on the morals of tax collectors just like may have been the case in "Bible-Times!
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I am always happy to bring a bit of a smile to your face, but I think as an accountant you can understand that the the numbers (facts and posts and participation) as time goes on speak for themselves, Lynette.
Agreed, Emma. It is a bit amusing to see Cindy come over here and complain about "unsupported junk"!!
Daryl, I know that a number here do not visit 'the other 3ABN site' because of the general tone of the posts there.....perhaps that
is why nobody commented on Stan's post.
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What's your point, Mrs. Ford??
And why don't you enlighten us with the same statistics from your own smut site?? It is very kind of you to be concerned about the participation here. How exactly does it compare to your site's activity??
And, why don't you tell us what you found out from Danny Shelton regarding the DNA testing you were so worried about?
I am always happy to bring a bit of a smile to your face, but I think as an accountant you can understand that the the numbers (facts and posts and participation) as time goes on speak for themselves, Lynette.
Agreed, Emma. It is a bit amusing to see Cindy come over here and complain about "unsupported junk"!!
Daryl, I know that a number here do not visit 'the other 3ABN site' because of the general tone of the posts there.....perhaps that
is why nobody commented on Stan's post.
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You are a real piece of work Cindy, you know?
You come here and try to trick readers into going to yours and Steffans garbage dump of a forum and then complain about AdventTalk post volume? If activity here isn't to your liking, I guess you will have to go somewhere else to try your deceit and trickery. Too bad.
By the way, just how much have you and your little friends spent on domain names similar to AdventTalk.com just so you can trick people into going to your site? Inquiring minds want to know...
I am always happy to bring a bit of a smile to your face, but I think as an accountant you can understand that the the numbers (facts and posts and participation) as time goes on speak for themselves, Lynette.
Agreed, Emma. It is a bit amusing to see Cindy come over here and complain about "unsupported junk"!!
Daryl, I know that a number here do not visit 'the other 3ABN site' because of the general tone of the posts there.....perhaps that
is why nobody commented on Stan's post.
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Hellllloooo!!! Oh Cindy!! Cindy Conard Ford!! Where are you?? Why don't you answer my questions? Just how many domain names have you and your little friend Steffan actually purchased in an effort to try to trick readers into going to your garbage dump site?? Huh?? How many??
It's funny. When the questions get tough, the dannyclones retreat and get real quiet... hhhmm....
You are a real piece of work Cindy, you know?
You come here and try to trick readers into going to yours and Steffans garbage dump of a forum and then complain about AdventTalk post volume? If activity here isn't to your liking, I guess you will have to go somewhere else to try your deceit and trickery. Too bad.
By the way, just how much have you and your little friends spent on domain names similar to AdventTalk.com just so you can trick people into going to your site? Inquiring minds want to know...
I am always happy to bring a bit of a smile to your face, but I think as an accountant you can understand that the the numbers (facts and posts and participation) as time goes on speak for themselves, Lynette.
Agreed, Emma. It is a bit amusing to see Cindy come over here and complain about "unsupported junk"!!
Daryl, I know that a number here do not visit 'the other 3ABN site' because of the general tone of the posts there.....perhaps that
is why nobody commented on Stan's post.
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Now see, the is just the type of thing I am talking about. Eduard, no matter what you think about anyone and their association with Danny, this is just plain out of line, unchristian, an that is for starters. Do you not see what this thing is doing to you? That is just mean. Everyone here is God's Child and deserves at least that common respect. That is why everyone just needs to stop and stop now.
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I have just seen this post, and will edit Eduard's post to something less offensive, pending further discussion by the admin team.
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Thank you Emma and are there consequences for this kind of behavior (which Eduard has demonstrated before)?
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I will bring the original post to the attention of the admin team who will decide whether and what further action is appropriate.
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Now see, the is just the type of thing I am talking about. Eduard, no matter what you think about anyone and their association with Danny, this is just plain out of line, unchristian, an that is for starters. Do you not see what this thing is doing to you? That is just mean. Everyone here is God's Child and deserves at least that common respect. That is why everyone just needs to stop and stop now.
princesdi,
I don't know why my post outraged you. People talked in this forum about Tommy abusing children, about Danny getting involved with his cousins, about Danny committing adultery, etc. Why would it be such a surprise if Cindy was involved with Danny?
Eduard
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Thank you Emma and are there consequences for this kind of behavior (which Eduard has demonstrated before)?
quaddie47,
What "kind of behavior" are you talking about? Asking a question about a real possibility given the well-know history of Danny as an adulterer and pervert who goes after every skirt he sees before his eyes?
Eduard
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I don't know anything about Danny getting with his cousins, however, talking about Tommy's exploits is quite another thing. There are real human beings who are yet and still suffering from the effects. It is a documented fact that he had inappropriate relations outside of his marriage. Then was hired on at 3ABN, waaaay to close to children, when Danny knew he had a problem....conviction or no.
Now, to be honest, at one point, I did wonder at some of the women who were so vehemently defending Danny, but I would never ask such a question. That is the part that is unchristian.
And THEN what does it have to do with the price of rice in China? IOW, what difference does it make to you or anything being discussed here? It doesn't cast a bad light on Cindy or even Danny for that matter, but on you for your motivation for even asking such a thing.
princesdi,
I don't know why my post outraged you. People talked in this forum about Tommy abusing children, about Danny getting involved with his cousins, about Danny committing adultery, etc. Why would it be such a surprise if Cindy was involved with Danny?
Eduard
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Now, to be honest, at one point, I did wonder at some of the women who were so vehemently defending Danny, but I would never ask such a question. That is the part that is unchristian.
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princessdi,
So, “at one point [you] did wonder at some of the women who were so vehemently defending Danny.” Well, I think that your attitude towards me is hypocritical and unchristian. I remember reading in the Bible somewhere (Can you help?) that thinking about something wrong is the same as doing it. What is the difference between you and me, given that we both have had the same suspicion about “some of the women who were so vehemently defending Danny”? You seem to think that suspecting something is totally different from voicing that suspicion. Why so? Is your position Biblical?
The truth is that most of the people who have been defending Danny “so vehemently” in this forum show an abnormal kind of involvement in the details and outcome of the lawsuit, and raise suspicion about their relationship with Danny Shelton. Are they paid to do so? Are they too close to him? Are they bribed, or blackmailed to defend him “so vehemently”?
The truth about these people and about their involvement with Danny Shelton will come to the surface, eventually.
Eduard
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Eddie,
I only have one thing to say:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiNMz_745vQ&feature=related
I think you answered your own question to me...
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Thank you Emma and are there consequences for this kind of behavior (which Eduard has demonstrated before)?
quaddie47,
What "kind of behavior" are you talking about? Asking a question about a real possibility given the well-know history of Danny as an adulterer and pervert who goes after every skirt he sees before his eyes?
Eduard
Eduard,
Two choices...
Number One:
I feel that there may be ways that we can express ourselves that doesn’t come across as rude, arrogant and self-righteous and still communicate what we feel.
Number Two:
You are rude, arrogant and self-righteous. I don’t want to see you ever post again.
There is a right way and a wrong way to express ourselves. I, too often, choose number two and shut down communication. I prefer choice number one when being addressed. Which way would you prefer me addressing you?
RBF
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I thought this topic was about whether the IRS investigation was over or not.
Does anyone have any proof that it is not? The fact that Fran has heard nothing is only proof that Fran has heard nothing and nothing more.
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Problem is that no one has any proof that it is over either.
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No, see, I wondered, you made an assumption and it was that they were blackmailed or drugged. Then you had to audacity to ask them the worst possible question. I can wonder to myself all I want, but I have no right nor did I ask them anything about it. Now what I did do is tell them it didn't look "right" for various reasons, mainly being they were relative newcomers and seem to be really, really angry at Linda for no good reason(definitely not the reason you came up with). But you were rude Eduard, you know that. Even if you thought that, you hsould never have asked it out loud. Everything that comes to your mind should NOT come out of your mouth. Quit trying to justify it and and apologize and let it go. That was ugly and you know it.
princessdi,
So, “at one point [you] did wonder at some of the women who were so vehemently defending Danny.” Well, I think that your attitude towards me is hypocritical and unchristian. I remember reading in the Bible somewhere (Can you help?) that thinking about something wrong is the same as doing it. What is the difference between you and me, given that we both have had the same suspicion about “some of the women who were so vehemently defending Danny”? You seem to think that suspecting something is totally different from voicing that suspicion. Why so? Is your position Biblical?
The truth is that most of the people who have been defending Danny “so vehemently” in this forum show an abnormal kind of involvement in the details and outcome of the lawsuit, and raise suspicion about their relationship with Danny Shelton. Are they paid to do so? Are they too close to him? Are they bribed, or blackmailed to defend him “so vehemently”?
The truth about these people and about their involvement with Danny Shelton will come to the surface, eventually.
Eduard
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For me, no news is good news! I haven't even heard a blip! I will be notified as soon as it is over one way or the other.
A letter from a 3ABN hired Lawyer and a post on the Internet is only proof that they have a lawyer and can load stuff on the Internet. I will believe it when I see it!
You choose to believe what you believe! No sweat off my back!
I thought this topic was about whether the IRS investigation was over or not.
Does anyone have any proof that it is not? The fact that Fran has heard nothing is only proof that Fran has heard nothing and nothing more.
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CPAATTY;
If you will play nice, maybe I will post proof that I will be notified one way or the other. Then again maybe I won't!
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Talking about investigations, Danny really needs to help these dudes. They need to learn how to legally provide zero documents. Danny needs to tell them to shred, shred, shred, deny, deny. deny, object to every subpoenas and never get it to court!
These guys need help fast!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090217/bs_nm/us_stanford_9
Stanford, aides failed to appear for testimony: U.S.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Texas billionaire Allen Stanford and top aides at his investment group failed to respond to recent subpoenas seeking their testimony on what federal investigators now call a "massive" fraud, court papers said on Tuesday.
The Securities and Exchange Commission said it had issued subpoenas to Stanford, aide James Davis and O.Y. Goswick, a board member of Stanford International Bank. "None of these witnesses appeared for testimony or produced a single document," the SEC said.
(Reporting by Randall Mikkelsen, editing by Jackie Frank)
One the news tonight, it showed police and all kinds of investigators at their offices in Dallas. Nobody could tell anyone where these folks were. Mum was the word. Boxes ans boxes were taken out of the offices. The offices were being run by attorneys. Interesting for sure.
Maybe Danny should talk to them and learn what they are doing. Maybe Danny should have run back in 2004!
Will Danny finally have to flee when he finds that he can no longer deny, shred, and delay. Every time a transaction takes place, it takes place somewhere else. All you have to do is find the other party to find all those shredded documents. Poof, they appear like magic!
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There are legal implications to attorneys being involved in destroying evidence, like Duffy admitted to being. Wouldn't all those documents they ordered the IRS to destroy qualify as evidence?
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There are legal implications to attorneys being involved in destroying evidence, like Duffy admitted to being. Wouldn't all those documents they ordered the IRS to destroy qualify as evidence?
Stupid lawsuit over, mmmmm? Longing for martyrdom still you are?
"Much to learn, you still have."
When destroying copies obtained in a legal action that dismissed was.
The destruction of original evidence, it is not.
When answering an IRS inquiry you are. Giving them orders and making demands of them you are not.
Accusing licensed attorneys and officers of the court of a serious offense you are. Prove it you can not.
Libel and Defamation per se, it is. Sanctions there be.
Fortunate you are that limited funds you have.
Understand this, I fear you will not.
YODA
"War does not make one great."
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Yoda, if you want talk in normal English, it would be easier to follow your thoughts.
Duffy and Danny said that the IRS was told to destroy all those documents by the end of July 2008. The motion to dismiss the lawsuit wasn't filed till Oct. 23. Thus, the lawsuit wasn't dismissed yet when the IRS was allegedly told to destroy documents.
Secondly, those documents are the only solid evidence that I know of about what 3ABN and Danny gave the IRS. Destroy all of that and it becomes difficult to prove whether 3ABN and Danny were forthcoming or not. And that is a crucial component to proving the bogus vindication fable.
3ABN and Danny claim to have been vindicated by the IRS. Were they? Did 3ABN and Danny fess up and give them everything, even the incriminating stuff, or did they play games like they did with us?
The problem is that statutorily government officials are forbidden to disclose tax stuff, and thus the IRS is probably muzzled from disclosing their side of the story unless 3ABN and Danny signs a release. We asked the court to order them to sign such a release, but ... guess what? They dropped the lawsuit!
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FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
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FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
You...you mean...we were fed : GASP : false information? :o
Say it ain't so! This is SUCH a surprise.
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FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
Hhmm. You mean...Walt and Danny and Company...they...LIED? No way. Hard to believe.
I'll bet the judge would be interested in that...
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FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
See how you all fell for that without asking the key questions?
1. Communication from whom?
2. Can you prove it?
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FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
See how you all fell for that without asking the key questions?
1. Communication from whom?
2. Can you prove it?
I didn't "fall" for anything. I trust Fran.
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FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
See how you all fell for that without asking the key questions?
1. Communication from whom?
2. Can you prove it?
Yes, I can, but not for you.
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FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
See how you all fell for that without asking the key questions?
1. Communication from whom?
2. Can you prove it?
Yes, I can, but not for you.
Ok, I'll be more than fair and leave out the "proving" part for now. You can surely tell us where the "communication" came from. Whether it came directly from the IRS, Gailon Joy/Bob Pickle, or Joe Blow makes a huge difference doesn't it?
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Ok, I'll be more than fair and leave out the "proving" part for now. You can surely tell us where the "communication" came from. Whether it came directly from the IRS, Gailon Joy/Bob Pickle, or Joe Blow makes a huge difference doesn't it?
What's the matter, Sam? Are we a little nervous about what Fran might have? Must be horrible, wanting the information and not being able to get it. ::)
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Ok, I'll be more than fair and leave out the "proving" part for now. You can surely tell us where the "communication" came from. Whether it came directly from the IRS, Gailon Joy/Bob Pickle, or Joe Blow makes a huge difference doesn't it?
What's the matter, Sam? Are we a little nervous about what Fran might have? Must be horrible, wanting the information and not being able to get it. ::)
Excuse me? The IRS investigation is OVER and COMPLETED at 3ABN. What Fran is speaking about is something obviously different. No one has lied and no, Sam is NOT worried. Go make fun of someone your own size.
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FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
See how you all fell for that without asking the key questions?
1. Communication from whom?
2. Can you prove it?
Yes, I can, but not for you.
OK, I'll be more than fair and leave out the "proving" part for now. You can surely tell us where the "communication" came from. Whether it came directly from the IRS, Gailon Joy/Bob Pickle, or Joe Blow makes a huge difference doesn't it?
It came straight from the IRS. Speaking of Bob and Gailon. I sent them the evidence, but I am sure they will not share with you either.
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Excuse me? The IRS investigation is OVER and COMPLETED at 3ABN. What Fran is speaking about is something obviously different. No one has lied and no, Sam is NOT worried. Go make fun of someone your own size.
Do you have proof that the investigation is "over and completed"? Fran has proof that it isn't.
Something different? So there was more than one IRS investigation? Even after we were originally told there was NO IRS investigation?
Let's see: DS says no investigation, but there is at least one, so take his word for it that the investigation is over.
Fran says there IS an investigation, turns out to be correct, has proof that it is not closed, but don't believe her.
Yeah, makes sense to me. :dunno:
Also, how do you know Sam is not worried? Are you posting under more than one screen name?
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Personally, I think Sammy has quite a bit to be worried about.
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Go make fun of someone your own size.
Is Junebug giving us a hint of who SAM is? How little SAM is?
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Is Junebug giving us a hint of who SAM is? How little SAM is?
What are you saying, Bob? Are you calling me fat? :ROFL:
(Not that you wouldn't be correct.)
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Is Junebug giving us a hint of who SAM is? How little SAM is?
What are you saying, Bob? Are you calling me fat? :ROFL:
(Not that you wouldn't be correct.)
No, I was not calling you fat.
But you have to wonder what Junebug meant. She told you to pick on someone your own size. That typically means that the other person is small. Who is SAM, then?
But then again, how would Junebug be able to make the comparison? Has she ever met you?
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No, I was not calling you fat.
But you have to wonder what Junebug meant. She told you to pick on someone your own size. That typically means that the other person is small. Who is SAM, then?
But then again, how would Junebug be able to make the comparison? Has she ever met you?
Oh, I would say so. I've met most of the Sheltons.
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:oops:
FYI;
I received a communication today letting me know that the claim is still OPEN! It ain't over yet!
It came straight from the IRS.
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Any further update on this?
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Not since this:
http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-178-16.pdf
I am still waiting for another communication.
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Being from Canada, what does "Your claim is still open" actually mean in this instance?
Also, how does this compare to the claim that the IRS investigation is closed, over, or whatever word is being used?
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From the IRS website:
When the Whistleblower Office has made a final determination regarding a claim,
the Whistleblower Office will send correspondence to the claimant regarding its final
award determination.
Since this has not been done and the IRS says the claim is still open it means that the IRS has not yet made a determination regarding the claim.
Even though you are from Canada, I believe that you or anyone could still access information on the IRS.gov website. I myself would rather believe documents from the US Government than the word of those who in the past have claimed that there was no IRS investigation then later admited that there was an IRS investigation. (But only after they could not hide it any longer.)
Edited to add the final paragraph.
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Being from Canada, what does "Your claim is still open" actually mean in this instance?
Also, how does this compare to the claim that the IRS investigation is closed, over, or whatever word is being used?
Child of the King answered your first question.
As to the second. The status of Fran's "whistleblower claim for a reward", for her accusations against 3ABN, is not the same as the Status of the IRS investigation of 3ABN,which is closed. They are two different departments entirely and the paperwork and time involved and steps involved between one and the other closing can be lengthy if you read the IRS manual and what needs to be done.
Fran has the right as a whistleblower to ask the IRS for the status of the Investigation, where others do not, and has had the information from the IRS about this posted to her in the past and been asked or challenged if you prefer, to do so. She hasn't.
It is wishful thinking on her and Bob's part ( for he made her same illogical arguments to the court in his filed arguments) to believe the status of her claim equals the status of the Investigation.
Common sense should tell anyone that as the IRS destroyed the copies of the documents they took they no longer have any documents to support or use to investigate with, and that they would not destroy them if the investigation was ongoing as that would be stupid and counter productive.
Even Pickle acknowledges they did so, for he claims 3ABN broke the law by ordering evidence destroyed when the IRS asked 3ABN via their Lawyers whether they wanted the copies returned or destroyed.
(another silly argument and false accusation btw, as copies are not the original documents, and it only applies if a crime has been committed. That is his claim, but the IRS has made no such claim. Indictments are not secret. Nor is it rational to believe that the IRS would destroy evidence of crimes or wrong doing by 3ABN or DS.)
I hope this has been helpful.
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From what I have read, once an investigation is started, even if it is closed it is never final. Evidence is retained and a cold case can be reopened at any time. An investigation is never opened just on someone's say so. The IRS has to have enough evidence to indicate that the claim has merit. Have you not heard of microfilm or digital records. Even though the copies from 3ABN are destroyed does not mean that the investigators do not keep evidence.
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Even though you are from Canada, I believe that you or anyone could still access information on the IRS.gov website. I myself would rather believe documents from the US Government than the word of those who in the past have claimed that there was no IRS investigation then later admited that there was an IRS investigation. (But only after they could not hide it any longer.)
Edited to add the final paragraph.
In answer to your added paragraph. There is a much better explanation of the seemingly conflicting statements. One which doesn't involve accusations of lying and deceit, or presumptions of guilt. Some prefer to believe evil of another without proof and I guess that is their choice and they can answer to God for it, but for those who would prefer to hear and weigh all before judging:
Danny Shelton in answer to questions from viewers and supporters about the rumors of an IRS investigation denied this on the air because he did not know about one or have any valid reason to believe that there could even be one when he said that.
Next the IRS contacted both Mr Shelton and 3ABN and informed them of the Investigation. In light of this knowledge and proof they announced that yes there was indeed an investigation.
I know this is the correct explanation as I myself talked to those at 3ABN about this both before and after they became aware of the investigation.
Yes they had heard the rumors beforehand and even been warned by some of the Pickle/joy crew in a round about and vague manner, but they had no reason to credit anything they whispered or claimed while offering zero proof as they were already the victims of so many lies and false claims and rumors from those they considered, and still consider to be slanderers, libelers and false accusers.
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From what I have read, once an investigation is started, even if it is closed it is never final.
Really??? if that is true than Fran will never hear from the whistleblower office, about her claim being closed and should give up right now and just move on. Good deal.
An investigation is never opened just on someone's say so. The IRS has to have enough evidence to indicate that the claim has merit.
True, no one I have seen has claimed otherwise. All investigations whether civil or IRS are like that. but it is also true that after further investigation and examination many are found innocent as the rest of the evidence exonerates them as was reported by 3ABN's Attorneys after they were contacted by the IRS.
Evidence is retained and a cold case can be reopened at any time....
Have you not heard of microfilm or digital records. Even though the copies from 3ABN are destroyed does not mean that the investigators do not keep evidence.
This may be more wishful thinking. It is always retained? I would be very interested in documentation from the IRS to support your belief, claim and argument here. Could you supply that please?
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Usually when these investigations are put on hold it is not because someone is proved innocent, it is because there is not enough evidence at that time to prove guilt. As to holding on to evidence, I didn't take notes when I read that. I am remiss in that regard to taking notes I must admit. It seems I am always going back trying to find information that was interesting to me at the time and that I accepted as fact because of the source but that I didn't share with anyone else at the time so didn't need to retain the source. I assure you it is not wishfull thinking but as I recall it was on the website of a reputable legal firm that specialized in corporate law. I could be wrong about the source of course and really have no interest in documenting it because if you are the one in trouble you should have more interest in researching it than I do.
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Usually when these investigations are put on hold it is not because someone is proved innocent, it is because there is not enough evidence at that time to prove guilt. As to holding on to evidence, I didn't take notes when I read that. I am remiss in that regard to taking notes I must admit. It seems I am always going back trying to find information that was interesting to me at the time and that I accepted as fact because of the source but that I didn't share with anyone else at the time so didn't need to retain the source. I assure you it is not wishfull thinking but as I recall it was on the website of a reputable legal firm that specialized in corporate law. I could be wrong about the source of course and really have no interest in documenting it because if you are the one in trouble you should have more interest in researching it than I do.
Child of the King,
The Investigation being "closed", and the Investigation being put "on hold" are two entirely different things. To the best of my knowledge you did not mention that before, nor is there any evidence to support a claim of the Investigation being on hold rather than closed as has been reported in various Adventist media..
I thank you for your answer, but despite your personal claims, you don't appear to want to back anything up, or consider it important to do so, so I will continue to regard it all as wishful thinking and mere opinion.
You are entitled to that of course, it just doesn't sway mine. :)
Have a good day.
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What I read did not mention the investigations being on hold. Those are my words. It spoke of investigations being closed and then re opened. You are right I do not want to back anything up for you because as you say it doesn't sway your opinion. I have better things to do with my time. And if I gave sources I feel that you would only try to debunk any source given or would try to interpret information to support your own wishes and claims as has been done repeatedly. Thank you so much for permission to have my own opinion. That's mighty generous of you. I give you permission to have your own opinion. Time will prove all things.
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Danny Shelton in answer to questions from viewers and supporters about the rumors of an IRS investigation denied this on the air because he did not know about one or have any valid reason to believe that there could even be one when he said that.
False. Nick Miller had just notified Walt Thompson that the IRS had contacted him, and he had given Walt the contact info for the IRS agent who had contacted him. So Danny knew at the time of his denial that there was an investigation going on.
Next the IRS contacted both Mr Shelton and 3ABN and informed them of the Investigation. In light of this knowledge and proof they announced that yes there was indeed an investigation.
When was the announcement made? When? Prove the truth of your statement. Prove that Danny Shelton made such an announcement after the IRS moved in in September 2007.
Jerrie Hayes lied about it on March 7, 2008, in open court, when she denied that there was a criminal investigation going on.
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If "Jerrie Hayes lied about it on March 7, 2008, in open court, when she denied that there was a criminal investigation going on", then shouldn't that be easy to document?
Danny Shelton in answer to questions from viewers and supporters about the rumors of an IRS investigation denied this on the air because he did not know about one or have any valid reason to believe that there could even be one when he said that.
False. Nick Miller had just notified Walt Thompson that the IRS had contacted him, and he had given Walt the contact info for the IRS agent who had contacted him. So Danny knew at the time of his denial that there was an investigation going on.
Next the IRS contacted both Mr Shelton and 3ABN and informed them of the Investigation. In light of this knowledge and proof they announced that yes there was indeed an investigation.
When was the announcement made? When? Prove the truth of your statement. Prove that Danny Shelton made such an announcement after the IRS moved in in September 2007.
Jerrie Hayes lied about it on March 7, 2008, in open court, when she denied that there was a criminal investigation going on.
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It's been documented a long time.
Her statement is in the transcript for that hearing. http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-89.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-89.pdf) at page 33. Her proposed order under consideration in that hearing referred to an investigation by the Dept. of Justice. http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-40-2.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-40-2.pdf) at page 2.
The D.o.J. would be involved if the IRS investigation was a criminal investigation.
Then you have Duffy's letter at http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-96-2.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-96-2.pdf) acknowledging that the investigation was a joint investigation of the IRS and the U.S. Attorney.
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Looks like I have some reading to do.
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It ain't over until I hear that it is over by receiving money or not receive money. They are required to notify me either way! It says that in their written response to me. It is not over!
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Well, all I can say is that the IRS is as slow as molasses, because for 3ABN, the investigation is OVER, DONE and COMPLETED. It has been over and done for months now. And 3ABN didn't have to pay one red penny, so Fran, I'm afraid you will not be receiving any money. It is too bad they are so slow in letting you know.
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I know for a fact the IRS investigation is not over and won't be for a very, very long time....you can say all you want, Junebug, but it is not over. Fran is correct.
Jodi
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Junebug;
You don't get it! I did not do this for money! Yeah, that is right. I did it so I would know when it was over! I now know Danny & 3ABN lied about it being over. I also know that documents are scanned to reduce paperwork. Once I had to go back to 1952 to find a document and then get a print of the document. If they did ask if Danny wanted any documents, it was because they no longer needed the paper, but the scan! They have those documents forever! It does not mean they were are finished!
Now, the money will tell me if he was as squeaky clean as they have said. I know now the the Department of Justice is involved because other countries are involved. The State Department is probably involved also since they are to overseas FCC.
I am sure they would be interested in the amount of money that was sent to Russia vs what was deposited, where, and how much got spent by Russia 3ABN.
I am sure they are checking out his other overseas operations, especially those in Haiti. However, whatever, I will know it. Whereas, you only know what you have been told! Wake up girl! Your sources at 3ABN are liars. Go read the proof!
Ask Danny or Brenda when Brenda and Danny are going to apologize to Linda for their committing adultery behind Linda's back. When I see her on TV with her huge mouth, that is all I can see! Then I cringe that she is in charge of all the kids programming! What a travesty for our children! However, that is typical for 3ABN! They had Tommy on Kids programming! We all know about that, don't we?
Millions of dollars of trust funds just did not get posted. Yeah $2.43 Million and then $1.7 Million! Then we have the eBay sales from 1998-2002. We know now that 3ABN thought they destroyed all the paperwork. Oops! They forgot about eBay's documentation. Wow!
Jodi,
Thank you! I was told you had posted when I went to post, and read your post before I submitted this post. I might add that you are absolutely correct!
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Well, all I can say is that the IRS is as slow as molasses, because for 3ABN, the investigation is OVER, DONE and COMPLETED. It has been over and done for months now. And 3ABN didn't have to pay one red penny, so Fran, I'm afraid you will not be receiving any money. It is too bad they are so slow in letting you know.
Junebug, do you realize how ridiculous it sounds when you make statements like this? Fran is in direct contact with the IRS and has been told by them that the investigation is not over. You, on the other hand, have NO involvement and NO idea what you're talking about.
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Yeah! Danny just made my day!
He said the church doesn't give him and 3ABN a penny!!!!! Praise God. What wonderful information!
They are having a begathon to go digital. Those two, Danny & Jim are pros! How ever they will not get my money for sure! They are either begging or selling books every Sabbath! Tiring, so tiring. I would love to hear some of that "Gospel to reach the lost and dying world!" They fall so short of the mark! All they do is beg and sell!
Danny left and now Mollie is there to beg. I wonder if they are tracking who is the best beggar?
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DS is still lying claiming the church is not giving him a dime. This is just a way of undercover speaking but, Actually the church organization as a whole might not send anything direct from corporate offices but the culprit uses the Adventists people in the pews that are ignorant to the devilish extravaganza ( :horse: sports car, give to a secular community for the sake of ego and Ill. political favors, self indulgences, jets, lifestyle and money pit he provides for.
The people are the church!! I think he ought to go to a different religion or church group that he can start all over with his stories with his begathon. Maybe instead of his books he could sell some "healing cloth" or something. Who wants to read his books? I know it sounds ridiculous but he has no thought of wrong doing on how he got the money so far.
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I went to this website that I had been to before and my browser recomended that I not proceed because there was something wrong with the certificate. Nevertheless because I had been there before and knew what it was I proceeded. I was not making a contribution though I could have done so.
https://secure.tagnet.org/illinoisadventist/donations/ If you are brave enough to check it out and choose the Thmpsonville SDA Church from select your church, I believe you can donate to it on this website.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Thompsonville-IL/Thompsonville-Seventh-day-Adventist-Church-Thompsonville-Illinois-3ABN/70690267633
Also known as the 3ABN Worship Center
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=871bce4f75771863511ebdaf9ae23095
Where does the Seventh-day Adventist Church leave off and 3ABN start?
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And where does the legal liability leave off?
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You have to be on the wrong side of good to be this tricky. I see exactly. I will only give to an Evangelist that proceeds with right and true intentions from now on. And yet they claim non denominational???? The people of SDA cannot rise up to stop this and back the ones who are trying?? Guess not they were mostly all at the hip hop homecoming jamboree "Gaither hour" with red lights flashing in their hair and their semi strapless dresses. (spotted that one in surprise). Gaither Hour women singers are never presented in nothing but conservative clothing for this day and age on every program that we have ever saw. So pew money goes for this too?? as it sounds off the subject.
Then there is the women in pants singing. I wear pants when I work or cold. But not to church or be seen on National TV with no thought of conservative for our times to let any newcomers interest take that we are anything different then the hip hops and to please the outsiders(as now even the music is chosen to please). My how times have changed our first counsel on dress pertaining to women looking like women. Everyone has smidged somewhere to suit their taste. What is so ignorant in dress about this is women can't determine and should see their selves from the back pews how they look or what they are trying to display. Especially the low hip huggers that they are poured into. Guess it must be the signs of the times. Yes, it was members and not outsiders. But why shouldn't it be ok as many quirkie things are shown even on Hope Channel. Singers keeping up the style of spiked or messy hair look. But of course we keep up with latest fads for the publics sake. Are we different and present ourselves (especially on TV) in very modest way of not seeking attention to ones self?? No, and that is the blame of programing for giving that impression of SDA.
And by the way did anyone notice on 3abn many, many times of some of the girls trying to sing with one eye while the other was totally covered with hanging hair over half their face. (laugh, it seemed like dark secrets must be behind the scenes). I never heard their song as I was waiting for them to get the hair out of t;heir face and trying to see their other eye. If good programing is put forth, these are the little things that someone needs to be on the job for. Its the little things that mount to discredit any thing that might come as inspiration and Christlike. Some have this gift of respect in dress and mannerisms for God and some don't. When it comes on I blame head of programming and anything goes.
I thoroughly enjoy the two men's choir that is so melodious and wonderful. They are the best in all things presented for worship to God. I could listen all day to their songs as it leaves you calm peaceful, prayerful, inspired and Thankful that some people know true worship in music still yet. That is Blessing.
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They are having a begathon to go digital. Those two, Danny & Jim are pros! How ever they will not get my money for sure! They are either begging or selling books every Sabbath! Tiring, so tiring. I would love to hear some of that "Gospel to reach the lost and dying world!" They fall so short of the mark! All they do is beg and sell!
Danny left and now Mollie is there to beg. I wonder if they are tracking who is the best beggar?
What percentage goes to going digital, and what percentage goes to paying for Danny's vendetta lawsuit?
What guarantee does anyone have that the money is going to be spent for what it was raised? I raised this question to a supporter yesterday.
People who gave for the 10 Commandments book had no idea so much of that money was going into Danny's pocket.
And what about the kickbacks?
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Well, the beat goes on, and on, and on, and on, and on....
It is not over.
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http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/files/3ABN_grounds_spring08.pdf
The 3ABN Worship center (The Thompsonville Seventh-day Adventist Church).
No one has answered. Where does the Seventh-day Adventist Church leave off and 3ABN start?
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I figured out years ago that they are one and the same, regardless of what they want us to believe!
And the beat goes on. The IRS is still at work! There must be more than any of us expected! I had high figures and I know others had estimates way up there also! I feel there is much, much more!
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Well, all I can say is that the IRS is as slow as molasses, because for 3ABN, the investigation is OVER, DONE and COMPLETED. It has been over and done for months now. And 3ABN didn't have to pay one red penny, so Fran, I'm afraid you will not be receiving any money. It is too bad they are so slow in letting you know.
And just why do you think they had a specail meeting in St Louis??? And who did pay to close this file? Inquiring minds want to know!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Hey Gailon;
Was that about 3ABN or about Danny that got bought out? I wonder who will pull Danny out of this mess? And Gailon, you gotta quit telling about these meetings taking place out of state! Someone is going to figure they need to meet a little bit further away. lol :ROFL:
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Hello, everyone. For sometime now, actually for years, I have watched this ungodly war go on. And from where I stand there seems to be no end in site. It seems obvious that 3Abn has no intension of changing anything, they seem quiet content from what I see on air, to continue in the direction they are going "to counter the counterfit" and to spread their gospel to all the world.--- I can bet that most have no real idea where the millions of dollars are being spent in the General Confrence either there is a statement that is often repeated "monkey see what monkey do." I applaude thiose who have a burden to expose corruption, however, until those at the top of the work are either removed or converted I fear you are talking to a dead horse.
Even if the truth is brought directly to their face I believe:
1. They will never restore Linda.
2. They will never apologize.
3. They will never repent
4. They will never confess
5. They will never restore
6. They will never humble themselves
7. They will never say the words we were wrong
8. They will never believe they are anything but God chosen instruments that can do no wrong
9. They will never believe that Linda was not the cause
10. they will never believe that they are following a man.
Here are their ten commandments. I have often said that the facts speak for themselves. Danny divorce his wife that he loved so much (like as God loves his church) and married a woman younger than his daughter. They wiped the woman off the face of the earth, actually they band her name from being spoken and erased her from every tablet and stone, (remindes me of the movie ten commandment). I do not confess to be the brightest light but I am not totally blind.
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Christian,
These are my sediments also, but one thing for sure they will have to do this list.. or their souls be judged first on the SDA church corruption of their positions they held.
This is why it also was devestating to me to see some of our best evangelists tramping up and down the :rabbit: holes.
But again, are their characters similar to the patterns of Bent, Waco, and the followers. It may be too late.....
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I wonder if Danny has any accounts to be found?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090812/bs_nm/us_ubs_tax_7
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I wonder when this investigation will be over?
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Me too.
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From the desk of Pastor Doug
..Subject: 3ABN exonerated by IRS investigation
I spoke with Jim Gilley at the Amazing Facts office
this week and he shared that the IRS has ended it's
audit of both 3ABN and Danny Shelton's finances.
The federal auditors called 3ABN's lawyers and ask
them what 3ABN wanted them to do with the thousands of
pages of documents they had collected as they were closing
the case! They said they could return the documents or
destroy them.
THE VERDICT... Not one infraction, not one discrepancy,
not one fine!
Evidently, all the nasty internet rumors 3ABN’s enemies
manufactured influenced the feds to investigate. They
figured that where there was smoke there must be fire but
they discovered it was all smoke.
People can be reassured that their donations to 3ABN have
always been, and are still going into expanding God’s
kingdom. Karen and I never stopped supporting them.
Please feel free to share this with you friend s and
perhaps it will help to reestablish confidence in this
great ministry and undo some of the damage caused by the
smear campaign.
Regards,
Pastor Doug Batchelor ...
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That is old news and doesn't prove a thing! Pastor Doug is only repeating what he was told. Did he know for positive that it was the truth? Who knows what his motive was in writing that. :dunno:
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Fran,
What?? Doug is blind to all transpired?? Where has he been???
I understand he's been in and out according to the posts at 3abn
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Did he see nothing wrong?
Does he feel all is correct in the divorce?
Why does he now think it is safe to send to 3abn now??
You got to be kidding!!
another guiding light just went out. All seemed perfect except for one thing.
Maybe it is the vegan diet where all essentials until the demand for it has proven lack of proper nourishment to the brain.
I was shocked at not having TV for some time and then seeing him almost emancipated. I am for healthy vibrant look. I can see when vibrant is gone.
Or again did the money win out???
I am sick he wrote this!!
The close affiliates justify TS, divorce, extravaganza living etc. If TS was not guilty -none of this blankety, blankety talk of ###sex would even be discussed on here. They so use the system of law to defend the same as Satan tried to use the Word of God (system) against Jesus.
Did he not see this?
Is there anything left of organized church?
Who can stand this corruption?
Yes, I know--the corrupted!
Is there still Mark, Ken, or Lyle ?
I really do not look for a leader but truth in a persons character.
Trust no man it says.
But why can't we have a true friend?
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Fran and Everybody,
I must make an apology, When I first read this note from Doug, it appeared that you Fran put that on in answer to Johann. Of course it was 2:30 am. Now as I go back and see Grats post. It now appears that 3-d put that on but it seemed to be at that time presented by Fran.
sorry Fran. But just in case it don't hurt to be a little inquisitive about why Doug would even write that back then or not consider the TS situation in front of all creation. I still do not agree with these top evangelist inter mingling. Especially when it is a non denominational beg-a-thon.
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Thanks, Tinka;
I have been having a mean 4 rounds with the flu/s!
I didn't get around to reading all I have missed and only just now read your posts! Things like that when the time factor is involved!
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FYI Update.
It isn't closed. Maybe 2010 will be the golden, "It is finished" year. Maybe God's "It is finished", will come long before the IRS says "It is finished". It has been 5 years.
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Has it really been five years?
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I sent the IRS my information on January 5, 2005. So, on January 5, 2010, it will be 5 years! And the beat goes on!
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I sent the IRS my information on January 5, 2005. So, on January 5, 2010, it will be 5 years! And the beat goes on!
So your proof is that you haven't received a check yet . . . so sad you don't understand the procedures and the reality that you are never going to be contacted.
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And so sad that you don't understand the procedures and the reality that they are never going to contact you to tell you that!
Thus, you have no evidence to support your statement.
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And so sad that you don't understand the procedures and the reality that they are never going to contact you to tell you that!
Thus, you have no evidence to support your statement.
Even RJP agrees, Fran, your phone isn't going to ring, your mailbox will be empty, and you will grow more bitter as the months of silence pass.
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Is that what you meant, Bob?
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No, that wasn't what I meant, and I would think anyman knew that.
I was referring to the fact that the IRS isn't going to contact anyman to tell him that no one is going to contact Fran, and it is quite apparent to me that anyman doesn't understand the procedures the IRS uses.
Moreover, anyman can't present any evidence that shows that the IRS exonerated Danny and/or 3ABN.