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YODA

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Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« on: July 09, 2009, 12:14:23 PM »

Dark here, it is.

I was just reading things on the other forum such as "ORDER entered denying [153] Motion for Leave to File under seal. The documents do not appear to be relevant and were not considered by the Court in connection with the underlying dispute."

Are either Mr Pickle or any of you ever going to publish, post or say anything about 3ABN's court filings, or any of the Judges rulings against Mr Pickle and Mr Joy, here?

Do the members here or your readers even know about them, or care about what is and is not documented in these cases? So very much is missing here.


Since no member from there can post links to the Pacer documents on their forum or refer to any updates posted there, or even name or post a link to their forum as it is against your stated and enforced rules here, and it doesn't appear that Mr Pickle has published 3ABN's apellee brief or their Motion for summary Judgment in Mr Joy's adversarial case, or even mentioned those things or other here that I can see. I guess I will try to see if quoting them is allowed.

I may also be edited or banned for the attempt but will at least try for those of you who want to know what is going on.

This was posted there this morning:

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Forum: "3abn related posts from other forums"
Thread: "The issue of sanctions..."

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 Motion for sanctions filed against Simpson
    « on: July 01, 2009, 08:38:45 PM »

    Last Wednesday we filed a motion for sanctions against Attorney Simpson, which could impact Danny Shelton too.

    Simpson's responses to our motions to reconsider and motion to file under seal were riddled with enough false statements that we felt he had violated Fed.R.Civ.P. 11, and so we filed our motion after giving him 21 days to fix the problems.

    Our motion and related documents can be read at http://www.3abnvjoy.com... It will be interesting to see how he responds by next Wednesday. Hopefully he will make sure that everything he writes this time around is accurate.



(Bob Pickles lack of comprehension, adhominem attacks, out of context quotes, and reinterpretations and spins regarding all that has been said and done have now been thoroughly answered, addressed and rebutted in a 20 page memo filed by Attorney Greg Simpson yesterday.

see my next post )


Yes, Bob. It is indeed interesting.... and it will be even more interesting to see the Judges ruling...

IMO Simpson has you and your blindness, your inability to deal with the issues, your agenda, your modus operandi, and your lack of honesty and ethics nailed to the wall.
(like 3ABN before him, and actually all who have honestly disagreed with you and tried to answer and deal with you in these issues)

Will you be able to see that finally and let go of your self righteous justifications and arguments which cause so much of your hypocrisy, or will you respond like jello again and with your fingers in your ears refuse to be nailed and accountable, and instead demand apologies and keep blindly pointing at all except for that man in your own mirror?

It's time to wake up, dude.




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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2009, 12:39:06 PM »

Quoting from Document 188 Filed 07/08/09:


PLAINTIFFS' MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO DEFENDANTS' MOTION FOR SANCTIONS


INTRODUCTION

Plaintiffs Three Angels Broadcasting, Inc. ("3ABN") and Danny Lee Shelton ("Shelton")
submit this memorandum in opposition to pro se Defendants' Motion for Sanctions (Docket # i 84 J. The motion, which complains about several dozen isolated sentence fragments mined from memos submitted by Plaintiffs, is frivolous and itself violates Rule i i because it contains numerous intentional distortions of the record and is merely supplemental argument on the underlying motions. Mindful that a party disregards ad homžnem attacks at its peril, Plaintiffs will respond by correcting, clarifying and providing context, as necessary, to show that each contention does not support a finding of a violation of Fed. R. Civ. P. i i or the exercise of the Court's inherent powers. The result of this exercise is an unfortunately long memo, but one which demonstrates that the motion should be denied.


ISSUE

The legal issue presented by this motion is whether Plaintiffs have submitted briefs that
violate Fed. R. Civ. P. 11 by setting forth factual or legal contentions that lack support.
Manifestly, nothing appears in Plaintiffs' briefs that is inaccurate, let alone violative of Rule 11. By contrast, Defendants' motion and supporting memorandum go well beyond the limit of tolerable litigation conduct, and it is only out of a strong desire to end this litigation that the Plaintiffs have resisted fiing their own motion for sanctions against the Defendants.


LEGAL STANDARD

Rule 1 1 provides that by presenting to the court a pleading or other writing, an attorney
or unrepresented party "is certifying that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances," (1) the filing "is not being presented for any improper purpose"; (2) "the claims ..and other contentions therein are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for the extension, modification or reversal of existing law or the establishment of new law"; (3) the allegations and other factual contentions have evidentiary support"; and (4) "the denials of factual contentions are warranted on the evidence." Fed. R. Civ. P. II(b). The court's inherent power to sanction parties for bad faith litigation conduct should ordinarily be exercised only when Rule 11 is inadequate. Chambers v. NASCO, Inc., 501 U.S. 32, 50, III S. Ct. 2123, 2126, 115 L.Ed.2d 27 (1991).

ARGUMENT

The factual recitation contained in Defendants' memorandum in support of their motion
(ECF # 184 J seems to be premised on the assumption that the Court would not check the
accuracy of the Defendants' citations to the record. Nearly every factual assertion in it is
irrelevant, unsupported by the record, requires the unique world view of these Defendants to be viewed as supportive of their position, or all of the above.

      1. Response to Introduction.


The first example of supposed wrongdoing, raised in the Introduction section of
Defendants' brief, is their oft-repeated charge that a pre-suit letter authored by Gerald S. Duffy, counsel for 3ABN, improperly invoked the doctrine of "common law copyright" in order "to keep the public from discovering his attempt to silence concerns about child molestation allegations." (Doc. 184 p. 1). The letter was a "cease and desist" letter that sought to avert litigation by notifying the Defendants that their conduct placed them at risk of being sued. (Doc. 63-18). The letter's reference to "common law copyright" was perfectly appropriate in view of the fact that Massachusetts recognizes the doctrine, as do other states. See Edgar H Wood Assocs., Inc. v. Skene, 347 Mass. 351,354, 197 N.E.2d 886,889 (1964) ("Common law copyright exists in this Commonwealth."); HNH Int'l, Ltd V Pryor Cashman Sherman & Flynn LLP, _ N.Y.S.2d --2009 WL 1687489 (N.Y.A.D. 1 Dept.) (June 18,2009) (noting that plaintiffs in legal malpractice action had been sued and found liable for common law copyright infringement). In any case, the letter was an out-of-court communication to which the requirements of Fed. R. Civ. P. lIdo not apply.

The second factual contention offered to show a pattern of unethical conduct by Plaintiffs and their counsel is even less compelling. Defendants say that another of Plaintiffs' counsel, Jerrie M. Hayes, "denied in open court that a criminal investigation was going on even though her own proposed protective order referred to an investigation by the Department of Justice." (Doc. 184 at p. 1). The cited portion of the transcript of the hearing, which was before Magistrate Judge Hillman on March 7,2008, shows Hayes arguing in support of Plaintiffs' motion for a protective order. Specifically, she was addressing the appropriate scope of discovery as to Defendants' allegation that the Plaintiffs had improperly reported a particular real estate transaction on tax returns. (Doc. 89 at pp. 32-33). Hayes states:

                
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"There is absolutely no reason to believe that this transaction was incorrect or improperly reported to the IRS. There's been no finding by the IRS. There's been no criminal investigation, no complaint. There's been absolutely no finding by any determinative body from the Ilinois Attorney General to the Department of Revenue that any of these documents contain any errors of fact whatsoever."



(Doc. 89 at p. 33 (emphasis added)). In other words, Hayes' statement was in reference to a single real estate transaction at issue in the case.

Defendants, however, use this passage to support their contention that Hayes "denied in
open court that a criminal investigation was going on." (Doc. 184 at p. 1). They imply that Hayes stated that there was no investigation by the IRS of any kind, when the record actually has her saying that there was no criminal investigation of a specifc real estate transaction. The transcript reveals that the Court was informed that there was a government tax review of 3ABN at the time. (Doc. 89 at p. 38). The IRS investigation ultimately concluded with the IRS notifying Plaintiffs that the investigation had ended with no findings of wrongdoing, or even a request to refile tax returns. (Affidavit of Walt Thompson, Doc. 123 at iiii 4-5). This is another example of how these Defendants use the absence of contextual information to convey a false impression. "Context matters." Cf Grutter v. Bollnger, 539 U.S. 306, 327, 123 S. Ct. 2325 (2003). Defendants understand this all too well, and use the absence of context to make the mundane appear sinister.

The third factual contention in Defendants' Introduction is a personal attack on the
undersigned attorney for the Plaintiffs, and states that despite his "alleged high ratings for ethics," he "has continued this pattern of questionable conduct." (Doc. 184, pp. 1 -2). No citation to the record is supplied, thankfully, but none is needed. The undersigned has indeed continued the pattern set by his co-counsel of accurately marshaling the facts and law to the best of his ability in his presentations to this Court. To be characterized as ethically questionable by these Defendants is a sad but inevitable result of coming into contact with them.


      2. Allegedly Erroneous Statements in Plaintiffs' Memos.


Defendants next set forth a shotgun blast of what they call sanctionable statements in
Plaintiffs' legal memos. Each will be answered as briefly as possible.


            A. "Perfectly proper" royalty payments.


The first supposedly erroneous statement in Plaintiffs' brief is one opposing Defendants'
motion for leave to fie some irrelevant exhibits under seal (which motion remains pending), in which Plaintiffs advised the Court that despite its order that the Defendants return confidential documents, the Defendants had not done so. Ignoring the point of that sentence, i.e., that Defendants are currently ignoring this Court's order to return all confidential documents, defendants zero in on two words in the sentence which characterize the royalty payments to Shelton from Remnant Publications as "perfectly proper." (Doc. 174 at p. 4). Defendants contend those two words merit sanctions. (Doc. 184 at p. 2).

Their "evidence," however, is not evidence as much as a web of guesswork and
speculation that begins and ends with the assumption that the payments were kickbacks. The reason they must be kickbacks, say the Defendants, is that the booklets for which royalties were paid were at one time published by a different publisher at a lower cost. Defendants say "the only logical reason for such an arrangement is that it was a kickback scheme." In other words, Defendants' logic goes, moving to a higher cost publisher is proof of a kickback scheme because they can't think of any other reason for it. Of course, speculation is not evidence. There are any number of legitimate business reasons to switch to a different publisher. Since the factual record has long since been closed without this issue being raised or litigated, no further information is available on this point.

Without belaboring the issue, the "perfectly proper" statement was in reference to the fact that the Plaintiffs' financial activities were reviewed by outside experts including accountants and, for the maximum audit period allowed by law, the IRS. Nothing was found to be out of place. The payments can be fairly characterized as proper.



            B. "A matter which would have been rectified had it been brought to the attention of counseL."


Defendants next find fault with a statement in Plaintiffs' brief opposing Defendants'
motion for reconsideration of the Court's order denying litigation costs, i.e., that the matter of issues of 3ABN World that were missing from Plaintiff s document production would have been rectified had it been brought to the attention of counseL. It is useful to recall the context in which this statement was made, despite Defendants' preference that sentence fragments they disagree with be reviewed in a vacuum. Defendants moved for an award of their litigation costs; this Court denied the motion. Defendants have now moved for reconsideration of that order, on the theory that "newly discovered" evidence of litigation misconduct by Plaintiffs would induce this Court to reconsider. One of these "new facts" was that in June of 2008, Plaintiffs had failed to produce three issues of3ABN's monthly magazine, 3ABN World, which Defendants had sought along with Plaintiffs' other publications. Plaintiffs' brief opposing the motion for reconsideration responded to this argument, in part, by stating that the matter of the missing magazines "would have been rectified had it been brought to the attention of counseL." (Doc. 175 at p. 8). Defendants, demonstrating their unique facility with language, say that "Simpson thus denies that he was ever contacted about the missing" magazines. (Doc. 184 at p. 3). This supposed misrepresentation is said to be the basis for an award of Rule 11 sanctions.

Defendants have again used selective citations to the record, leaps of logic and creative
omission of context to give a false impression. The story of the discovery skirmishes in this case, which involved numerous issues in addition to the three missing magazines, has been told before and is partly set forth in the Affidavit of Kristin Kingsbury (Doc. 92). Before Plaintiffs' document production was even complete, Defendants began peppering Plaintiffs with letters pointing out supposed deficiencies in the document production. (See Doc. 92, Exhibits 2-3). One of these, dated June 25,2008, claimed that three issues of 3ABN World were missing from Plaintiffs' document production. (Doc. 81-11 at p. 40). This letter was one of four letters sent by Pickle to Plaintiffs on that day raising issues relating to discovery. (Doc. 92, Exhibits 23-26).

Defendants' document requests had sought "all issues of 3ABN World (or its predecessor
newsletter) and Catch the Vision from all years of3ABN's existence...." (Doc. 63-20 p. 10). Current and back issues of 3ABN World are available on 3ABN's web site at
http://ww.3abn.org/magazine.cfm. In the assessment of counsel, Defendants were asking 3ABN to produce copies of all of3ABN's publications for no conceivable reason other than harassment. Plaintiffs told Defendants by letter dated June 20 that the magazines were available online, and that they would not be producing materials that could just as easily be obtained from a public source. (Doc. 81-2 at p. 118).

In an effort to consolidate all the discovery issues and deal with them in an orderly
fashion, Plaintiffs issued Defendants a letter dated July 9, 2008, which explained the meet and confer process. (Doc. 92 at p. 12-14). The letter began: "This letter is to respond to your numerous letters to me and Kristin Kingsbury regarding miscellaneous discovery issues and other matters." It then goes on to address the process of creating a written record of disputed discovery issues, so that they could be addressed or, as a last resort, brought before the Court. Near the end of the letter is the following: "You have also complained about deficiencies in our production that I believe have been addressed in our pending motion to narrow the scope of permissible discovery. If you believe there are any categories of documents which have been requested but not produced, with respect to which we have not sought protection from the court,please identify those documents and I will respond." (Doc. 92 at p. 13). Defendant did not raise the issue of the missing magazines again. The parties eventually submitted their disputes over
the range and scope of discovery to Magistrate Judge Hillman, who denied the Defendants' motion to compel and granted in part Plaintiffs' motion to narrow discovery. (Doc. 106).

Judge Hillman agreed that the Defendants' discovery requests were overbroad and
ordered them stricken. The request for issues of 3ABN World was among the discovery requests stricken by Judge Hillman. The motion for voluntary dismissal was filed before responses to the revised discovery requests became due, and the case was dismissed before any further discovery disputes came before the Court. Any implication that 3ABN was under a duty to produce the missing issues of 3ABN World is false.

The subject of the supposedly missing magazines came up again on September 8,2008,
when Defendants fied an affdavit in connection with their motion to extend discovery, which stated that Defendants had received "No issues of 3ABN World...." (Doc. 103 at p. 7). Defendants thus falsely implied to the Court in a sworn affidavit that they had been unable to obtain any issues of 3ABN World, when in fact they got all but three issues online and at some point got the other three issues at a library.

This concrete example illustrates the linguistic acrobatics that these Defendants are
capable of performing to mislead the Court, and how easy it is for Defendants to say something false and misleading - in this instance just one short paragraph - and how onerous it is for Plaintiffs to supply the omitted context, correct the misstatements of fact and explain the circumstances fully. These Defendants are absolutely reckless with their submissions to this Court. Plaintiffs' statement that the missing magazines would have been rectified had the matter been brought to counsel's attention was accurate.

            C. "Including a simple request to 3ABN for back issues of their magazine."


Defendants next complain about another fragment of Plaintiffs' response to their gripe
about the missing issues of 3ABN World (Doc. 184 at p. 3). They say that a statement that
Defendants could have made a request to 3ABN for back issues of their magazine merits
sanctions because the Court had directed the Defendants to stop issuing subpoenas to Plaintiffs' witnesses - one of several tactics they employed to circumvent the Court's management of case discovery -- which order could be construed as broad enough to prevent them from submitting an on-line request for missing copies of 3ABN World If Defendants had a concern about what they could and could not do, all they had to do was ask 3ABN's counselor as a last resort bring the issue to the Court.

            D. "What that bearing may be is not explained."


The next sentence fragment that the Defendants disapprove of is one from the Plaintiffs'
memo opposing the motion for leave to fie some exhibits under seal. (Doc. 184 at p. 4).
Plaintiffs had observed that the motion to fie under seal did not explain what the exhibits would show. (Doc. 174, p. 1). Although the truth of this remark is apparent merely by looking at Defendants' memo, see Doc. 173, Defendants say this comment merits sanctions because they explained the relevance of the exhibits in a different filing, Doc. 170, although review of thatmemo leaves the reader even more perplexed as to what the relevance of the exhibits might be. The broader point, which Defendants willfully ignore, is that these documents are no longer relevant to any issue in the case because the case has been voluntarily dismissed without ever reaching the merits. The proffered exhibits relate to the merits of the litigation, not to the issue for which they were offered - reconsideration of a motion for an award of litigation expenses under Fed. R. Civ. P. 41(a)(2).

The challenged statement is literally true because Defendants did not explain in their
motion for leave to fie under seal why the exhibits were relevant, nor did they incorporate by reference whatever explanation may be found in Doc. 170. Whether the Defendants explained the relevance of the exhibits in Doc. 170 is debatable, but that is a matter for argument.


            E. "Plaintiffs have not been made aware of exactly what documents Defendants seek to fie."


Defendants next lament that Plaintiffs said they were not informed of precisely which
documents were at issue in the motion to fie exhibits under seaL. (Doc. 184 at p. 4). They are again counting on the Court not checking the facts. Their citation to the record is an email they sent to the undersigned on April 20, 2009, which lists some 87 documents which the email states "we may seek to file.. .in connection with our motion to reconsider." (Doc. 180-2, p. 4). There is nothing indicating that these are the documents the Defendants moved to fie under seal labeled Exhibits Q-R, X- Y and BB. Plaintiffs said they had not been made aware of exactly what documents were encompassed by the labels Exhibits Q-R, X- Y and BB because such was the case.


            F. Citation to Boston Regional Medical Center case.


Defendants next contend that Plaintiffs improperly cited a case. (Doc. 184, p. 5).
Plaintiffs' brief cited Boston Regzonal Med Center v. Rzcks, 328 F.Supp.2d 130, 143 (D. Mass. 2004), as one of two First Circuit authorities for the proposition that new arguments raised in a reply brief should not be considered. Defendants say that the facts of the Boston Regional Medical Center involved arguments raised for the first time in a supplemental brief. They apparently don't dispute that the other case cited for the proposition, Rivera-Murzente v. Agosto-Allcca, 959 F.2d 349, 354 (18t Cir. 1992), involved a reply brief. The Boston Regional Medical Center case quoted the Rivera-Murzente case for the proposition that "It is well settled in this court. . . that a legal argument made for the first time in an appellant's reply brief comes too late and need not be addressed." In other words, both cases support the proposition for which they
were cited.


            G. "This Court's order indicates that it considered the argument raised by the Defendants in their reply brief."


Proving that nobody is above their suspicions, Defendants claim that this Court did not
read their briefs. More specifically, they say that Plaintiffs should be sanctioned under Rule 11 for suggesting that the Court did read Defendants' reply brief. (Doc. 184, p. 5). One doubts that this particular argument has previously been advanced in the annals of Anglo-American jurisprudence, at least not before the very judge who is accused of not reading the brief. In any case, Plaintiffs did not presume to say that the Court read Defendants' reply brief, since their writings are painful to slog through and anyone would be excused for giving them a miss. Rather, Plaintiffs confined their remark to the objectively verifiable fact that the Court had considered the arguments raised in the reply brief, and cited to the parts of the Court's order (Doc. 166 at pp. 3-4) that proved it. The Defendants have also argued to the First Circuit Court of Appeals that this Court erred by dismissing the case without reading Defendants' opposition brief, despite the fact that the Court stated on the record that it had reviewed it and, more importantly, demonstrated during oral argument that it understood the parties' positions.


            H. "These claims have been raised and rejected...by every judge to consider them."


Defendants next take issue with Plaintiffs' statement in Doc. 175 at p. 5 that the litany of
complaints about the discovery conduct by the Plaintiffs have been rejected by every judge to consider them. Here, Defendants confuse the normal disagreements regarding appropriate scope of permissible discovery that inevitably arise in litigation with sanctionable discovery misconduct. It is a matter of record that there are no findings of discovery misconduct by the Plaintiffs. Defendants vigorously denounced every effort of the Plaintiffs to restrict their access to the Plaintiffs' records. At the same time, Defendants had acknowledged to themselves that they were using the lawsuit to gain access to records that went beyond the merits. (E.g., Doc. 76-5 at p. 33 (email from G. Joy to R. Pickle dated January 20,2008, including the following:

"Unfortunately, because of the very narrow charges pressed by 3ABN and Danny Lee Shelton, we must substantially expand the case to bring in the most damaging and certain to sway the jury details. I have deliberately dragged my feet hoping the IRS would move a bit quicker and finish their investigation before we would have to become extremely aggressive.")).

True to their word, Defendants caused satellite litigation in Minnesota,Illinois and
Michigan and served other subpoenas elsewhere that never made it into court because they got the documents they wanted without a challenge. The courts in Michigan and Minnesota ordered discovery disclosures subject to the protective order issued in this case. The Illinois court simply referred the matter to the Magistrate Judge Hillman for resolution, to the same effect. There was nothing improper or even unusual about the disagreement between the parties as to the appropriate extent of discovery, despite the frequent bombastic claims of the Defendants that they amounted to a "fraud on the court." The scope of permissible discovery was never judicially resolved because the case was dismissed before the issue was ripe. The point remains that each of the courts that heard the grousings of these Defendants about supposed bad faith misconduct by their opponents found no merit in them.


            I. Defendants' appellate briefs string together hearsay from unsourced emails.


Defendants next disapprove of a sentence fragment in the memorandum opposing
reconsideration in which Plaintiffs observed that Defendants' appellate briefs were being used to try the merits of the underlying action, in the guise of an appeaL. (Doc. 184, pp. 6, 17). Defendants apparently do not understand that they cannot simply submit to the court emails and other exhibits that they obtained from various sources and claim that they are what they purport on their face to be, and that the authors are as indicated in the emails. A review of their appellate brief fact section (Doc. 171-3, pages 10-22) shows the Defendants spinning their theory of the case using emails and other exhibits about which no witness has testified. as if there had been a trial on the merits. There has not been a trial on the merits, nor were there even any depositions. These Defendants are not competent to testify to the "facts" contained in their appellate briefs.


            J. "The merits had never been at issue before...."


Defendants next object that in explaining why the record was ill-equipped to debate the
merits of the case, since the only issues presented to the Court were procedural ones, Plaintiffs stated that "the merits had never been at issue before." Defendants assert that they twice "invited Plaintiffs to submit such evidence," and wax poetic about "What golden opportunities wasted!" (Doc. 184, p. 7).

They miss the point. The pretrial motions before the Court involved the character of the
claims and defenses, because that determines the scope of relevant discovery, but the motions never involved the truth of the claims and defenses. Truth is what the trial is for, and the case never got that far because the Plaintiffs got all the relief they could hope for without a triaL. Defendants never appreciated that point, and blithely took their best shots at the Plaintiffs in every filing and motion in the case, submitting generally unopposed affidavits to the general effect that the Plaintiffs and their counsel are scoundrels. Plaintiffs took care not to burden the Court with irrelevant information by responding to these premature and irrelevant ramblings of pro se parties. However, when Defendants used their appellate briefs to try the merits of the case to the First Circuit Court of Appeals, Plaintiffs felt it necessary to explain why they would not be
responding by citation to the record to the savage but baseless attacks contained in the
Defendants' brief. This is why the Plaintiffs said that the merits had not been at issue before.


            K. "Tape recording.. .not material to the case."


Defendants next seek sanctions because Plaintiffs stated in Doc. 175 that a tape recording containing an allegedly false statement by Shelton was "about something that is not material to the case." (Doc. 184, p. 7). Defendants claim the recording is material because their "exposé" in late 2006 of the Dryden phone call is the "only... thing (that) could possibly substantiate" Plaintiffs' claim of a donation level drop in December of 2006. But as usual, they completely miss the point that "even if the tape recording was evidence of dishonesty. . . it doesn't show litigation misconduct." (Doc. 175, p. 8). The point of the whole exercise, which Defendants never seem to get around to discussing, was to show litigation misconduct that might justify an award of litigation expenses. An out-of-court statement made years ago can't perform thatfunction, and in that sense is not material.


            L. Defendants had the tape since before the lawsuit started.


Defendants next gripe about a fragment of a sentence suggesting that Defendants did not really acquire the Dryden tape recording as "new evidence," which they had asserted in order to justify their failure to bring it to the Court's attention in the initial motion. (Doc. 184, p. 7). Although their moving papers did not indicate when they received the Dryden tape, a fact which is material to a motion to reconsider, they use their Rule 11 motion to clarify that they got the tape "after June 2, 2008." (Id). From the previous paragraph, in which they boast of exposing a cover up of the child molestation allegations, it appears they already knew the contents of the recording and implied that they had it in late 2006. The Pickle affdavit, Doc. 171 at ii 10, says that "Dryden gave me recordings of two messages left by Danny Shelton on the Ezra Church of God's answering machine on May 23, 2003...." Pickle admits that he realized as early as January or February of2009 the supposed significance of the recording. (Doc. 171 ii13). Yet he claims this recording was "newly discovered" evidence that justifies reconsideration of the order denying litigation expenses. Clearly it is not, nor is it violative of Rule 11 to state otherwise.

            M. "Every one of which is said to demonstrate fraud, but every one of which is demonstrably accurate."


Defendants next dispute a succinct paragraph in Plaintiffs brief opposing the motion for
reconsideration, in which Plaintiffs characterized a portion of Defendants' brief (Doc. 170, pp. 7-10) as a "more or less random series of nitpicky complaints about statements made by Plaintiffs or their counsel, in briefs or argument, everyone of which is said to demonstrate fraud, but every one of which is demonstrably accurate." (Doc. 175, p. 9). That sentence captured the gist fairly well, but Defendants characterize it as sanctionable so a bit more will be required.

                  1.The Complaint identified 24 specific defamatory statements.


Defendants complain that the brief characterizes the 24 allegations of defamation as
"specific," when they are actually "broad." (Doc. 184, p. 8). Defendants themselves
acknowledged that the scope of the complaint was narrow as they devised their plan to use the discovery process to gain access to irrelevant information. (Doc. 76-21). "Specific" and "broad" are not antonyms like "specific" and "general." A thing can be both at the same time.


                  2. "They were given access to thousands of pages of records in
                  discovery.. .."


Although initially promising to confine their motion to the two most recent briefs of the
Plaintiffs, Defendants expand their grievances to include statements made in motions that were heard and decided long ago. They protest that in a memo opposing Defendants' motion to impose costs submitted last November, Doc. 140, Plaintiffs wrote that Defendants had been given access to thousands of pages of financial records of 3ABN. (Doc. 184, p. 8). Defendants replied to Doc. 140 by suggesting that some of the requested tax documents had not been produced, but it is just their conjecture that many of the records they say were absent from the production actually exist. (Doc. 149 at p. 12). Further, since the document requests were stricken by Judge Hillman, there was never a finding that any of the requested documents were not produced.

Undoubtedly discovery was not complete, but the case ended before the disputes
reached resolution. Plaintiffs were within their rights to describe their document production as voluminous and comprehensive, since that is objectively verifiable fact.

                  3. "Finding litte help..."


Defendants next take issue with a sentence in the November 26,2008 fiing (Doc. 140) in
which Plaintiffs wrote that Defendants adopted a strategy of seeking oppressively large amounts of irrelevant documents. Plaintiffs cited an email between the Defendants that proves the point. (Doc. 76-21). Nothing more need be said.

                  4. "In other words, Plaintiffs' efforts to narrow the scope of discovery were justified.


Defendants next protest a statement by Plaintiffs that the ruling by Judge Hillman striking Defendants' discovery as overly broad demonstrated that the efforts to narrow discovery was justified. (Doc. 184, p. 9). Defendants quote a passage in which Judge Hillman observed that Plaintiffs were taking an overly narrow view of the appropriate scope of discovery. However,Judge Hillman did not identify any specific respect in which Plaintiffs were being too restrictive. His ruling was to grant Plaintiffs' motion for a protective order, to scrap Defendants' discovery requests, and to order that new ones be served that were more carefully limited to the issues in the case. Thus, Plaintiffs' position was substantively justified.

                  5. "Defendants sought to circumvent any limitations..."


Defendants next disagree with a statement to the effect that their third party subpoenas
constituted an "end run" around the Massachusetts district court. This rather self-evident
observation derives from the fact that the subpoenas were served seeking the very information for which protective orders were pending and/or contemplated in the Massachusetts court. It is not remotely sanctionable.

                  6. "The goals of the lawsuit had been met..."


Defendants next argue that Plaintiffs' statement that the goals of the lawsuit have been
resolved by other means merits Rule 11 sanctions. (Doc. 184, p. 10). They say that 16 other internet domain names are using the logo 3ABN to defame the Plaintiffs. What they do not mention is that this lawsuit could not do anything about websites that the Defendants in this lawsuit do not own. The primary objectives of this lawsuit were achieved by other means.

                  7. "And by obtaining favorable rulings..."


Defendants next dispute a statement in the November 2008 filing in which Plaintiffs
wrote that they had received favorable rulings from the governmental agencies that had been investigating them. (Doc. 184, p. 10). This non-controversial statement derives from the facts set forth in the Thompson Affidavit, including that the IRS terminated their investigation, and the state and federal civil rights agencies found no reasonable cause to believe that discrimination had occurred. (Doc. 184, p. 10). Defendants' contrary opinion does not mean that Plaintiffs' view of the facts violates Rule 11.

                  8. "...the bankruptcy judge closed down the web site..."


Defendants next take issue with a statement in an email by 3ABN officer Walt Thompson to an unnamed correspondent in which Thompson (or somebody writing in his name, since no foundation is provided) appears to state that the bankruptcy judge closed down the infringing web site. It would have been more accurate to say that the bankruptcy judge approved the trustee's sale of the infringing web sites to 3ABN, which then shut them down, but for a layperson describing the event to another layperson, the gist of the communication was true. In any event, out-of-court statements don't implicate Rule 11.

                  9. "When it became apparent..."


Defendants argue that the November 2008 brief is sanctionable because they disagree
with the statement in it that donations levels were restored. As usual, the evidence is their idle speculation. Plaintiffs submitted direct evidence in the form of the Walt Thompson affdavit, Doc. 123, regarding the fact that the Defendants had ceased to have a significant impact on the Plaintiffs' fundraising activities, despite their gadfly activities. Defendants cannot rebut the evidence in the record with mere conjecture.

                  10. "...documents that had no relevance..."


Defendants next complain about a sentence in Doc. 158 (filing date 12/22/2008) in which
Plaintiffs opposed a motion to fie the Remnant Publications documents under seal because they were irrelevant. (Doc. 184, p. 11). That was, and remains, the Plaintiffs' position. It is not an issue of fact, however, and is not appropriately raised as a basis for sanctions.


            N. "Defendants told anybody who would listen....


Defendants complain about a sentence in which Plaintiffs said the courts did not agree
that Plaintiffs' discovery positions were not well-founded. (Doc. 175, p. 10). Defendants again fail to recognize the distinction between a well-founded argument and one that the Court accepts and adopts. It is a matter of record that not one court found Plaintiffs' position to lack a legal or factual basis, even if the Plaintiffs did not win every argument. None of the examples listed by Defendants show otherwise.


            O. "To the contrary, Plaintiffs prevailed every time..."


Defendants quibble with Plaintiffs' contention that they prevailed in each of the out-of-district subpoena skirmishes because they succeeded in getting the documents to be subject to the protective order issued in this case. The basis for the quibble is not clear, but the record is. The statement is accurate.


            P. "They also offer a tape recording..."


Defendants next argue that Plaintiffs wrote a sentence which indicated they
misunderstood the thrust of Defendants' argument about the Dryden tape recording. (Doc. 184, p. 15). Plaintiffs confess to being perplexed by much of Defendants' written work, but it is hard to see how that would violate Rule 11. Defendants are clearly using their Rule 11 memo to clarify their arguments in pending motions, rather than to identify sanctionable conduct.


CONCLUSION

Defendants' "Argument" section is a rehash of the misunderstandings and distortions that
infect the "Fact" section of the brief, but with a more scolding tone directed at the undersigned counsel for Plaintiffs. This brief has demonstrated that each assertion of sanctionable conduct was nothing of the sort. To paraphrase the Defendants, "the number of glaring, factual misrepresentations contained in (Defendants' brief) that are devoid of evidentiary support is truly astounding." (Doc. 184, p. 18). Defendants' motion for sanctions should be denied.


Respectfully Submitted:

Dated: July 8, 2009
MEAGHER & GEER, P.L.L.P.

s/ M. Gregory Simpson
M. Gregory Simpson (*****)
****
Minneapolis, MN 55402
Direct ****
Fax ****
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SIEGEL, BRILL, GREUPNER,
DUFFY & FOSTER, P.A.
Gerald S. Duffy
Kristin Kingsbury
****
Minneapolis, MN 55401
****
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FIERST, PUCCI & KAN, LLP
John P. Pucci, ****
1. Lizette Richards,****
****
Northampton, MA 01060
Telephone: ****

Attorneys for Plaintiffs Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. and Danny Shelton


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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2009, 12:40:16 PM »

Yoda, Danny Shelton's pathetic appellees' brief has been posted for quite some time.

Simpson filed his response to our motion for sanctions yesterday. It will be posted in due time.

But tell me, and your candid and honest reply will demonstrate that your post and thread are not meant to be part of a biased or dishonest spear campaign, tell me what you think of three point's from Simpson's response:

  • Simpson stated that common law copyright protection exists in Massachusetts, citing a 1964 state case from Massachusetts.
  • Simpson indicated that a recent NY case regarding common law copyright is relevant to the point we raised.
  • Simpson asserts that Danny's PPPA booklets were published by Remnant, rather than resold by Remnant.

Tell me what you think these statements by Simpson say about his legal ability, his honesty, and his carefulness, as well as about Danny and 3ABN who have let Simpson represent them. Tell us all what you think this says about how well has been spent the massive amount 3ABN donors have paid for Danny's personal vendetta against us.
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 01:54:03 PM »

....

Are either Mr Pickle or any of you ever going to publish, post or say anything about 3ABN's court filings, or any of the Judges rulings against Mr Pickle and Mr Joy, here?

Do the members here or your readers even know about them, or care about what is and is not documented in these cases? So very much is missing here.

....it doesn't appear that Mr Pickle has published 3ABN's apellee brief ... or even mentioned those things or other here that I can see. I guess I will try to see if quoting them is allowed...



Yoda, Danny Shelton's pathetic appellees' brief has been posted for quite some time....

Mr Pickle! Misleading and deceptive, you are! 3ABN's appellee brief is not posted here on this forum or on your PACER website, nor have you or any of your team or supporters supplied a link to it here!

So, here it is!


Brief of the appellees filed in March of 2009

I ask that a moderator or administrator upload this document for the forum since I am unable to upload it here. ( if they absolutely insist on deleting my link.)

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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 02:04:21 PM »

Yoda,

Go to http://www.3abnvjoy.com/1st-cir-08-2457/ and page down to the entries for March 27 and March 30, 2009. Not only is there one copy, there are two copies of their brief! And they have been there a long time. They are posted there in the same docket entries where they are posted on PACER.

Apologies?

Now answer my questions, please. Please comment on Simpson's statements that I have referred to.
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2009, 04:28:37 PM »

Mr Bob sir all were talking about how long it was taking to post this brief on the other forum so I was watching too. Since four months now. I am happy you added the document. That is good. :) I am happy it is posted here too now. We must all try to be fair. Thank you.

Yoda,

Go to http://www.3abnvjoy.com/1st-cir-08-2457/ and page down to the entries for March 27 and March 30, 2009. Not only is there one copy, there are two copies of their brief! And they have been there a long time. They are posted there in the same docket entries where they are posted on PACER.

Apologies?

Now answer my questions, please. Please comment on Simpson's statements that I have referred to.
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2009, 04:56:03 PM »

Since four months now? But they hadn't filed it four months ago, right?

It may have been posted by May 29, the same time our reply was posted.

Serendipity, could you please answer my questions that Yoda has not answered?
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2009, 07:59:36 PM »

Kind of interesting that Yoda logged was last here not too long ago, but hasn't answered my questions yet. No apology either for the false accusation that Danny's appellee brief hadn't been posted yet.

Anyone else care to answer the questions I asked Yoda? Anyone care to comment about the three points I mentioned that Simpson made?
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 09:48:44 PM »

Dark here, it is.

I was just reading things on the other forum such as "ORDER entered denying [153] Motion for Leave to File under seal. The documents do not appear to be relevant and were not considered by the Court in connection with the underlying dispute."

Are either Mr Pickle or any of you ever going to publish, post or say anything about 3ABN's court filings, or any of the Judges rulings against Mr Pickle and Mr Joy, here?

Do the members here or your readers even know about them, or care about what is and is not documented in these cases? So very much is missing here.


Since no member from there can post links to the Pacer documents on their forum or refer to any updates posted there, or even name or post a link to their forum as it is against your stated and enforced rules here, and it doesn't appear that Mr Pickle has published 3ABN's apellee brief or their Motion for summary Judgment in Mr Joy's adversarial case, or even mentioned those things or other here that I can see. I guess I will try to see if quoting them is allowed.

I may also be edited or banned for the attempt but will at least try for those of you who want to know what is going on.



Dense and egotistical, you appear to be.

Anyone who has been following this forum for any period of time knows that the AdventTalk administrative staff has taken the position that links to the smut site owned and operated by Cindy Conard Ford and ******* ********* are not allowed here.  I think that we have made that position very clear, and your silly attempts to play dumb are quite transparent.  In addition, your self-proclaimed valiant attempt to let readers "know what is going on" is quite humorous.  In actuality, I think the ranks of those who really do "know what is going on" are increasing by leaps and bounds, with or without the help of "YODA"...

Let me just put you on notice that the next time you attempt to post a link here to that garbage site I will personally do all in my power to make sure that you receive a substantial ban from this forum.

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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2009, 06:54:24 AM »

Yodel-Ay-Ee-Oooo!!!

Yoda-Where-Are-You???

When you going to answer the questions, Yoda?

Yoda, Danny Shelton's pathetic appellees' brief has been posted for quite some time.

Simpson filed his response to our motion for sanctions yesterday. It will be posted in due time.

But tell me, and your candid and honest reply will demonstrate that your post and thread are not meant to be part of a biased or dishonest spear campaign, tell me what you think of three point's from Simpson's response:

  • Simpson stated that common law copyright protection exists in Massachusetts, citing a 1964 state case from Massachusetts.
  • Simpson indicated that a recent NY case regarding common law copyright is relevant to the point we raised.
  • Simpson asserts that Danny's PPPA booklets were published by Remnant, rather than resold by Remnant.

Tell me what you think these statements by Simpson say about his legal ability, his honesty, and his carefulness, as well as about Danny and 3ABN who have let Simpson represent them. Tell us all what you think this says about how well has been spent the massive amount 3ABN donors have paid for Danny's personal vendetta against us.
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2009, 08:09:37 AM »

I really don't get why it takes so long to reply, unless all this was was a big smear campaign.

I also don't get why anyone would make the comments they did regarding Simpson's filing. So just because Simpson says something, it has to be so?

Okay, now read 17 U.S.C. § 301(a). In case you don't know what that is, it's section 301(a) of Title 17 of the United States Code, the laws passed by the U.S. Congress. Congress is in D.C. (Just want to make sure this is really simple.)

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§ 301. Preemption with respect to other laws

(a) On and after January 1, 1978, all legal or equitable rights that are equivalent to any of the exclusive rights within the general scope of copyright as specified by section 106 in works of authorship that are fixed in a tangible medium of expression and come within the subject matter of copyright as specified by sections 102 and 103, whether created before or after that date and whether published or unpublished, are governed exclusively by this title. Thereafter, no person is entitled to any such right or equivalent right in any such work under the common law or statutes of any State.

So what does that say? It says that as of Jan. 1, 1978, there is no such thing as common law copyright protection in any state in the United States.

But Simpson cited a Massachusetts case from 1964 saying otherwise. So what? 1964 is before 1978, and so that 1964 case doesn't apply anymore. Period.
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2009, 08:26:04 AM »

But what about that 2009 New York case Simpson cited?

Now for 17 U.S.C. § 301(c).

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(c) With respect to sound recordings fixed before February 15, 1972, any rights or remedies under the common law or statutes of any State shall not be annulled or limited by this title until February 15, 2067. The preemptive provisions of subsection (a) shall apply to any such rights and remedies pertaining to any cause of action arising from undertakings commenced on and after February 15, 2067. Notwithstanding the provisions of section 303, no sound recording fixed before February 15, 1972, shall be subject to copyright under this title before, on, or after February 15, 2067.

And for those skeptics out there who don't think I'm quoting this accurately, see http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_00000301----000-.html, posted by folks at Cornell University.

So, there still is common law copyright protection on the state level, if a state has such a thing, until 2067 for sound recordings!!!

That New York case concerned early 20th-century sound recordings.

But guess what. Duffy's cease and desist letter isn't a sound recording. And thus Simpson cited cases that are absolutely not applicable.

So we have three possibilities from what I can see. Either Simpson knew the cases weren't applicable, or he did not know they weren't applicable.

The first possibility is not flattering in regards to his integrity. And it wouldn't be too bright a trick to try unless one was sure that a federal judge and two pro se defendants wouldn't see through it. Especially when one is responding to a motion for Rule 11 sanctions. It could seal one's fate, I would think. "No, I'm not a liar, and I will prove it by lying about common law copyright." So I highly doubt that the first possibility could be correct. I think we have to conclude that it is much more likely that Simpson did not know that the cases he was citing were irrelevant, and that he really did think that common law copyright protection still exists for letters.

The last possibility doesn't speak well to Simpson's legal ability, and I would have a hard time recommending him to anyone. It was pretty stupid not to make sure these cases were relevant when responding to a motion for Rule 11 sanctions.

Perhaps he was just saying whatever he could to make his side look good, and never checked a number of things out. There are some things in his memorandum which suggest that.

Your thoughts, Yoda? Serendipity? Prove you weren't out to smear by sharing your honest thoughts about the above. What do you think about Simpson's expertise in light of his in-court statements concerning common law copyright?
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2009, 09:05:44 AM »

Lawyers who don't know "law"? What are they for? Just to impress the ignorant?
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Re: Why is the information here so onesided and partial?
« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2009, 09:11:46 AM »

Bob,

It appears that some personalities here have a very difficult time expressing themselves without making reference to the Conard/********* smut site.  Perhaps that is why no one is answering your very legitimate questions.

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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 09:37:03 AM »

I just got this in an email, and it seems so perfect here, so please pardon the diversion which doesn't necessarily seem so off-topic...

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ATTORNEY: This myasthenia gravis, does it affect your memory at all?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
WITNESS: I forget.
ATTORNEY: You forget? Can you give us an example of something you forgot?
____________ _________ _________ _________ ____

ATTORNEY: Now doctor, isn't it true that when a person dies in his sleep, he doesn't know about it until the next morning?
WITNESS: Did you actually pass the bar exam?
____________ _________ ____ ___________

ATTORNEY: The youngest son, the twenty-year- old, how old is he?
WITNESS: He's twenty, much like your IQ.
____________ _________ _________ _________ ____

ATTORNEY: Were you present when your picture was taken?
WITNESS: Are you kidding me?
____________ _________ _________ _________ __

ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: Guess...
____________ _________ _________ _________ _____

ATTORNEY: She had three children, right?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: How many were boys?
WITNESS: None.
ATTORNEY: Were there any girls?
W ITNESS : Your Honor, I think I need a different attorney. Can I get a new attorney?
____________ _________ _________ _________ _____

ATTORNEY: How was your first marriage terminated?
WITNESS: By death.
ATTORNEY: And by whose death was it terminated?
WITNESS: Take a guess.
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ATTORNEY: Can you describe the individual?
WITNESS: He was about medium height and had a beard.
ATTORNEY: Was this a male or a female?
WITNESS: Unless the Circus was in town I'm going with male.
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ATTORNEY: Is your appearance here this morning pursuant to a deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
WITNESS: No, this is how I dress when I go to work.
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ATTORNEY: Doctor, how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.
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ATTORNEY: ALL your responses MUST be oral, OK? What school did you go to?
WITNESS: Oral.
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ATTORNEY: Do you recall the time that you examined the body?
WITNESS: The autopsy started around 8:30 p.m.
ATTORNEY: And Mr. Denton was dead at the time?
WITNESS: If not, he was by the time I finished.
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ATTORNEY: Are you qualified to give a urine sample?
WITNESS: Are you qualified to ask that question?
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And the best for last:

ATTORNEY: Doctor, before you performed the autopsy, did you check for a pulse?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for blood pressure?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: Did you check for breathing?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: So, then it is possible that the patient was alive when you began the autopsy?
WITNESS: No.
ATTORNEY: How can you be so sure, Doctor?
WITNESS: Because his brain was sitting on my desk in a jar.
ATTORNEY: I see, but could the patient have still been alive, nevertheless?
WITNESS: Yes, it is possible that he could have been alive and practicing law.

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