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Re: 9/11 Mosque
« Reply #45 on: September 08, 2010, 07:58:37 AM »

:ROFL:  :ROFL: Had nothing to do with the Tea parties or being black (boy are u a racist against whites).  It had to do with the Bla Bla that turned out to be all lies and no backbone. Tea Parties formed because of the lies. He is a liar, but I give him one point. He can fabricate on a seconds notice and then contradicts himself in the next and then more blablablaobamabla. Your far out and think all the reasons are your agenda with stupidity of racism. You must be cooped up in a place with no windows anywhere. People are fighting like Glen Beck to help people get over this mass distruction of separation and fight this monster "together". What is coming will take all Americans together. Too bad your in the outter deck where most people of intelligence is coming together on racism. Both sides are fighting for unity  and maybe the majority can win some but there will always be people like you.
Glen Beck, surely you are kidding me, please tell me your ship has not sailed that far from home. Well, at least we have the beautiful intelligent Michelle Obama to contridict people like you. Maybe after Obama wins the second term his wife can then run for president, what do you think? And her two beautiful daughters that grace the White House are so nice, dont you think?
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« Reply #46 on: September 08, 2010, 09:41:37 AM »

Let the church say......"AAAAAMEN!!!"



I think that any sort of religious center near the 9-1-1 site should be interfaith.

Sarah Palin....cynical ploy by the republican party to snag some of the women who were disappointed that Hillary didn't get the democratic nomination.  <sigh>  I will never take Palin seriously as a politician... she quit being governor half way through her first term.  With past behavior being a predictor of future behavior, I would have to logically assume there is a real possibility that Ms. Palin, if elected, could bail half way through a presidential term as well.   I think that would be a really bad thing for our nation to experience.

Y'all please be respectful of Michelle Obama.  She seems like a very nice lady and a good mom...and since she's spending her own money.  I say let her spend...our economy needs all the help it can get right now.

No name calling...Man some folks need a time out now! Yeah seriously and at your ages....really.

As always, respectfully,

Willow
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Re: 9/11 Mosque
« Reply #47 on: September 08, 2010, 11:59:10 AM »

christian, I am Caucasian, never owned a slave, my ancestors never owned a slave and fought against slavery. As I said before, I don't like Obama's POLITICS, NOT HIM. I always vote for the person, not the party. I didn't vote for him, but it had nothing to do with the fact that he was black. He ran on a Democratic Ticket that believed in ABORTION and Stem Cell research with no limits. I could not in all conscience vote for him. He wanted to end the war in Iraq- I believe that it's too soon, and that the men we are leaving in Iraq will be sitting ducks and I think it's wrong. So see, it has nothing to do with him being black- it is his POLITICS.   I think Michelle has done alot of good things for DC- I think the media has gone overboard because the Obamas are black and that is creating tension among some of the whites and blacks in the US, instead of uniting us. He should be OUR  President, not a President for the Blacks as some seem to believe.   

Let's take a breather.... Obama doesn't run for reelection for 2 more years...
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« Reply #48 on: September 08, 2010, 12:07:31 PM »

And her two beautiful daughters that grace the White House are so nice, dont you think? [/color]

Why are you looking at the two young daughters pray tell, Yor infatuation is worse then I thought. Your lingo has got you pegged in just exactly what I have been watching as you spew. I really think you could be dangerous while the whole time your conversation is trying to potray something to cover up your "strange" vibs.
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« Reply #49 on: September 08, 2010, 02:34:32 PM »

Extremism breeds extremism. The more extreme each side gets, the more extreme the other side gets, and it escalates. Each side considers itself the paragon of wisdom and virtue, but neither has either. Politics is by its very nature a dirty thing that tends to bring out the worst in people. It is amazing how quickly polite, civilized people can deteriorate and become something very different in the context of politics and religion.
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« Reply #50 on: September 08, 2010, 03:34:06 PM »

Ok so, keeping some of the responses of this thread in mind, how do we all feel about the response in the Middle East/Islamic countries to Terry Jones scheduled burning of the Quran?

Some of them are shouting "death to Americans" and not making the distinction  Pastor Jones is an extremist, most christians I know would not do what he is planning. But they don't care. An American is burning plans to burn their sacred book.  Do you see what I am trying to say?
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« Reply #51 on: September 08, 2010, 05:05:52 PM »

The extremists here want to burn korans, and the extremists there want to burn Americans. The rest of us look on the lot of them as a bunch of five year olds who needs a spanking.
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« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2010, 08:57:43 PM »

Getting back to basics... It has been the tradition of islamic soldiers to build a mosque upon territory that they have conquered. That dates back to mohammed's day.

Well, the USA is not conquered and won't be.

To those of you who are feeling extreme that this mosque is an offense to our brave soldiers and the survivors of the 9-11 attacks, let me just quote Senator Barry Goldwater...

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!
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« Reply #53 on: September 08, 2010, 09:41:16 PM »

christian, I am Caucasian, never owned a slave, my ancestors never owned a slave and fought against slavery. As I said before, I don't like Obama's POLITICS, NOT HIM. I always vote for the person, not the party. I didn't vote for him, but it had nothing to do with the fact that he was black. He ran on a Democratic Ticket that believed in ABORTION and Stem Cell research with no limits. I could not in all conscience vote for him. He wanted to end the war in Iraq- I believe that it's too soon, and that the men we are leaving in Iraq will be sitting ducks and I think it's wrong. So see, it has nothing to do with him being black- it is his POLITICS.   I think Michelle has done alot of good things for DC- I think the media has gone overboard because the Obamas are black and that is creating tension among some of the whites and blacks in the US, instead of uniting us. He should be OUR  President, not a President for the Blacks as some seem to believe.   

Let's take a breather.... Obama doesn't run for reelection for 2 more years...
I dont know where to start, no I dont see it has nothing to do with his color and I will not be persuaded to something when I know it is not true no matter how it might appear. And no the democratic party does not believe in abortion they believe in the right of an individual to make that choice themselves (it is the womans body the last time I checked). In the same breath you are upholding a war that we had no legitamate right to fight in the begining, there were no nuclear bombs or chemical weapons as formaly thought. How many more years would you say we should stay there and what is the goal in mind?
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« Reply #54 on: September 08, 2010, 11:29:55 PM »

Ok?!!!  I know that's right, Murcielago!  My point is also that each are judging the other by their "extremes".  I vote we put allthe extremist on an island an dlet them fight it out  amongst themselves...whatever "it" happens to be!  LOL!!!  And NO they can't vote anyone off the island!!

The extremists here want to burn korans, and the extremists there want to burn Americans. The rest of us look on the lot of them as a bunch of five year olds who needs a spanking.
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Re: 9/11 Mosque
« Reply #55 on: September 09, 2010, 05:19:15 AM »

Christian..."there were no nuclear bombs or chemical weapons as formaly thought."

Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
Thursday, June 22, 2006 


Print ShareThisWASHINGTON —  The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

• Click here to read the declassified portion of the NGIC report.

He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."

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Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.

"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.

"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.

"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.

The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.

At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, "religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.

Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.

"This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.

As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.

"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.

FOX News' Jim Angle and Sharon Kehnemui Liss contributed to this report.

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« Reply #56 on: September 09, 2010, 09:54:06 AM »

Christian, when people are obsessed with a particular factor themselves, they will often assume that others are too.
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« Reply #57 on: September 09, 2010, 05:59:52 PM »

I cannot believe anyone would support Barack Hussein Obama. Do you not realize that he is a socialist? He is ruining our country!! Don't even get me started on Michelle, she is a fake.
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« Reply #58 on: September 09, 2010, 09:36:56 PM »

Christian..."there were no nuclear bombs or chemical weapons as formaly thought."

Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
Thursday, June 22, 2006 


Print ShareThisWASHINGTON —  The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

• Click here to read the declassified portion of the NGIC report.

He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.

"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.

"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."

Related StoriesWife Says Marine Shocked by Murder of Iraqi Civilian Allegations
Iraqi Police Free Hostages; 5 U.S. Troops Killed
Senate Democrats Caught in Tough Spot on Iraq
House Rejects Timetable for Troop Withdrawal From Iraq
Bush Critics Want Tougher U.S. Approach to Iran
AP: U.S. Military Bringing Equipment Home
U.S. Official: Soldier Was Beheaded
Dozens of Factory Workers Abducted in Iraq
Iraq Insurgents: We Will Kill 4 Kidnapped Russian Diplomats
Al Qaeda in Iraq Leader Killed in Airstrike Near Where U.S. Troops Went Missing
Group: New Al Qaeda in Iraq Leader Killed GIs
Military Recovers Bodies of Missing GIs
VideoDid U.S. Troops Find WMDs?
Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.

He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.

"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.

Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.

"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.

"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.

The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.

At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, "religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.

Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.

"This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.

As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.

"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.

FOX News' Jim Angle and Sharon Kehnemui Liss contributed to this report.

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I cant believe that you are still running thsi report that was found to be completely false. "President Bush later said that the biggest regret of his presidency was "the inteligence failure" in Iraq. While the Senate intellgence agency *made up of republicans and demorcrates*found in 2008that his administration  misrepresented the intelligence and threat from Iraq. Here is the revision that you need and you also need to find the pictures (oh, I know you cant)You so want to believe a lie that if it is repeated enough times with a little bit of truth you think that changes the lie.
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« Reply #59 on: September 09, 2010, 09:42:11 PM »

I cannot believe anyone would support Barack Hussein Obama. Do you not realize that he is a socialist? He is ruining our country!! Don't even get me started on Michelle, she is a fake.

Well, let me give you a news flash to wake you out of your stupor. Yes, there are people that are supporting Obama and believe in the things he is trying to do. And you already ruined the country at least he is trying to fix it. And the lovely Michelle Obama just makes you mad doesnt she? Yep, I want to get you started because it is obvious that you are definitly not started.
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