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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Adam on December 31, 2010, 10:49:55 PM
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We all should know who Breezy is: She is the one who stated that it is okay for a grown man to have sex with a child if a child consents. This is her recent attack on Retired Pastor Johann:
Re: Johann Thorvaldson admits he is a liar
Postby Breezy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:22 pm UTC
I like your very first sentence Prof-- "Johann the supposed pastor"
"Supposed" is the key word here.
When I read Johann's ugly remarks, his constant hideous mocking of those who are doing God's work at 3ABN, and other hellish remarks, I am reminded of some stories in the Bible where those who were in positions of higher responsibility were punished from the hand of God more severely.
I cannot tell you how much I loathe what this man has to say. He says nothing constructive. He only posts to mock others. Because Johann makes a profession of being a Pastor, retired or not, I have NO CONFIDENCE in the Seventh-day Adventist organization. NONE. The SDA church should have disciplined this man long ago. He should be reported to them for what he is doing and saying. He is not representative of the SDA church and certainly no christian.
Are you listening General Conference of SDA's? I know you read here. I will be kind and not name names but you know who you are. To those GC people who read here but don't do anything when it is in their power to help--the blood of souls be on you too.
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Matthew 5:10-12 (New King James Version)
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
We all should know who Breezy is: She is the one who stated that it is okay for a grown man to have sex with a child if a child consents. This is her recent attack on Retired Pastor Johann:
Re: Johann Thorvaldson admits he is a liar
Postby Breezy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:22 pm UTC
I like your very first sentence Prof-- "Johann the supposed pastor"
"Supposed" is the key word here.
When I read Johann's ugly remarks, his constant hideous mocking of those who are doing God's work at 3ABN, and other hellish remarks, I am reminded of some stories in the Bible where those who were in positions of higher responsibility were punished from the hand of God more severely.
I cannot tell you how much I loathe what this man has to say. He says nothing constructive. He only posts to mock others. Because Johann makes a profession of being a Pastor, retired or not, I have NO CONFIDENCE in the Seventh-day Adventist organization. NONE. The SDA church should have disciplined this man long ago. He should be reported to them for what he is doing and saying. He is not representative of the SDA church and certainly no christian.
Are you listening General Conference of SDA's? I know you read here. I will be kind and not name names but you know who you are. To those GC people who read here but don't do anything when it is in their power to help--the blood of souls be on you too.
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I also lurked on the other site and read this. How sad that someone can be so hateful. I have no idea who Breezy is, but I certainly don't want to cross paths with someone who can rip a person apart like she or he did. :(
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I do know who Breezy is.
She has come across to me before as favoring conservativism of the separatist kind, which comes across slightly in her post when she is critical of the GC leadership.
Yet she repeatedly refused to say that if a minor was consenting, it makes no difference. Even if I misunderstood her previous comment, she should have no problem whatsoever coming out publicly and saying that even if a minor was consenting, it's just plain wrong and evil.
But she can't seem to bring herself to say that. Why? And yet she has no problem attacking us who feel that Tommy's admitted pedophilia and Danny's cover up thereof is vile iniquity. Why? What has happened to Breezy's moral compass?
Yet she herself is a teacher of sorts. Shouldn't all teachers everywhere be concerned about pedophilia and the cover up thereof?
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We all should know who Breezy is: She is the one who stated that it is okay for a grown man to have sex with a child if a child consents. This is her recent attack on Retired Pastor Johann:
Re: Johann Thorvaldson admits he is a liar
Post by Breezy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:22 pm UTC
I like your very first sentence Prof-- "Johann the supposed pastor"
"Supposed" is the key word here.
When I read Johann's ugly remarks, his constant hideous mocking of those who are doing God's work at 3ABN, and other hellish remarks, I am reminded of some stories in the Bible where those who were in positions of higher responsibility were punished from the hand of God more severely.
I cannot tell you how much I loathe what this man has to say. He says nothing constructive. He only posts to mock others. Because Johann makes a profession of being a Pastor, retired or not, I have NO CONFIDENCE in the Seventh-day Adventist organization. NONE. The SDA church should have disciplined this man long ago. He should be reported to them for what he is doing and saying. He is not representative of the SDA church and certainly no christian.
Are you listening General Conference of SDA's? I know you read here. I will be kind and not name names but you know who you are. To those GC people who read here but don't do anything when it is in their power to help--the blood of souls be on you too.
Reading this post made me feel quite sick to my stomach. Hate, loathing and bitterness is just dripping from every word written here. If only people who defend 3ABN and their cohorts, showed some of the loving Christianity that Johann does, the world would be a better place. I have never known him to reply with the hatered that I've seen demonstrated from the 'other side'. :dunno:
These people who would condemn Johann (and others) and yet cover for pedophiles and their associates, are just plain evil and seem to 'have the ear' of many who should know better, but they are no less than condoning the behaviour of those who violate innocent victims. :help:
Surely, God can't stand too much more of this. Come soon, please Lord Jesus and put an end to all this evil.
:amen:
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I hope this does not come off wrong but here is the problem in my opinion. They don't want to see the vile nature of the crime especially when it relates to boys being poked in the back side, a place God never intended to happen, by a grown man. One can only imagine the trauma and pain and misery that it causes and the absolute depravity and utter evil distorted and sick mind that does that. So in essence they are defending this type of action in the name of Christianity which is very very vile on their part.
We all should know who Breezy is: She is the one who stated that it is okay for a grown man to have sex with a child if a child consents. This is her recent attack on Retired Pastor Johann:
Re: Johann Thorvaldson admits he is a liar
Post by Breezy » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:22 pm UTC
I like your very first sentence Prof-- "Johann the supposed pastor"
"Supposed" is the key word here.
When I read Johann's ugly remarks, his constant hideous mocking of those who are doing God's work at 3ABN, and other hellish remarks, I am reminded of some stories in the Bible where those who were in positions of higher responsibility were punished from the hand of God more severely.
I cannot tell you how much I loathe what this man has to say. He says nothing constructive. He only posts to mock others. Because Johann makes a profession of being a Pastor, retired or not, I have NO CONFIDENCE in the Seventh-day Adventist organization. NONE. The SDA church should have disciplined this man long ago. He should be reported to them for what he is doing and saying. He is not representative of the SDA church and certainly no christian.
Are you listening General Conference of SDA's? I know you read here. I will be kind and not name names but you know who you are. To those GC people who read here but don't do anything when it is in their power to help--the blood of souls be on you too.
Reading this post made me feel quite sick to my stomach. Hate, loathing and bitterness is just dripping from every word written here. If only people who defend 3ABN and their cohorts, showed some of the loving Christianity that Johann does, the world would be a better place. I have never known him to reply with the hatered that I've seen demonstrated from the 'other side'. :dunno:
These people who would condemn Johann (and others) and yet cover for pedophiles and their associates, are just plain evil and seem to 'have the ear' of many who should know better, but they are no less than condoning the behaviour of those who violate innocent victims. :help:
Surely, God can't stand too much more of this. Come soon, please Lord Jesus and put an end to all this evil.
:amen:
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Let's not forget that Breezy was responding to an original just-as-ugly post made by Greg Thompson back in June. I wonder what Greg's dad thinks of his nasty comments.
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I hope this does not come off wrong but here is the problem in my opinion. They don't want to see the vile nature of the crime especially when it relates to boys being poked in the back side, a place God never intended to happen, by a grown man. One can only imagine the trauma and pain and misery that it causes and the absolute depravity and utter evil distorted and sick mind that does that. So in essence they are defending this type of action in the name of Christianity which is very very vile on their part.
Yes. DENIAL is their MO but I just cannot 'get it'; the lengths that people will go to, to deny what is happening, before their very eyes - and with NO compassion for the VICTIMS. Seems like all their sympathies lie with the perpetrators. :dunno:
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Each and every one of them who defend TS should be made to sit down and watch the Oprah Shows that she had on in Nov it think. I taped them and watched them the other night. 200 men in her audience who had been molested as children. They each held pictures of themselves taken at the age they were when the molestation happened. I was in tears, it was hard to watch. Might make "Breezy" a little less so.
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Maybe these folks just don't have any feelings.
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I have to publicly say this about Johann:
Johann is a man who I greatly respect. I consider it an honor to call him my friend. I have never met Johann but would love the opportunity to do so. He has been great inspiration to me. Whether it be a simple email or a friendly phone call.
Johann:
Hang in there and know that you mean a lot to not only me, but many others.
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I have one thing to say about Cindy and Breezy:
they are both seperatist in theology and I find it quite interesting that these are the DEFENDERS of that corrupt organization that Seventh-day Adventist's still contribute their gifts and tithes to believing it is the entity to "counter-act the counterfeit"...which I assert IS THE COUNTERFEIT!!!!
Just look at it's most vocal supporters, compare it to the history of Danny's brothers and Danny (not to mention his sister and daughter) and tell me if the history doesn't explain the motives and the direction they would go if not challenged?
3ABN is a hypocrisy and a major waste of contributions and tithes until and when it had been placed in the hands, directly or indirectly, of the stockholders in the pews and the current management is substantially changed to reflect denominational theology.
The continued use of the 3ABN staff and facilities by the pedophile protector and brother of admitted pedophile Tommy Ray Shelton, specifically Danny Lee Shelton, to intimidate and interfere in yet another criminal investigation, is a clear example of the loss of any moral compass by Danny Lee Shelton and his circle of pedophile protectors, soon to feel at least the bite of civil process. And how little control and oversight 3ABN managers and directors even now have over Danny's activities!!!
I ONLY WISH I COULD BE A PARTY TO THE COMING LITIGATION!!! What FUN!!! What JUSTICE!!! What RETRIBUTION for years of unpunished miscreant behaviour unchecked as money and patronage protected the guilty!!! What a privilege it will be to assist in every way to the success of this litigation!!!
I, for one, cannot invoke God's Mercy on their souls as I am all too aware of the loss of souls that stands in the balance as a result of their cumulative behaviour. Only a contrite spirit with clear confession and repentance exhibited by a redemptive lifestyle in light of the consequences they deserve would convince me they deserve any mercy for their merciless actions.
And those who support their open and notorious sins must share in their retribution...so, Breezy, straddling the Washington State and Oregon Border will do nothing to save you from your open and notorious support of SIN!!! And the most hideous of sin at that!!!
Shame on you...you are the pot calling the kettle black!!!!
Someone want to make my day???...I will happily accept service and save you that expense and time if you would like to make me a defendant!!! I would even agree to pay the filing fee...And I won't even file a Motion to Dismiss!!! this time we go to the finish line!!!!
Danny, Brad, Tommy, Breezy or even Cindy??? Any takers??? I am exhilarated at the prospect and the opportunity!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I have one thing to say about Cindy and Breezy:
they are both seperatist in theology and I find it quite interesting that these are the DEFENDERS of that corrupt organization that Seventh-day Adventist's still contribute their gifts and tithes to believing it is the entity to "counter-act the counterfeit"...which I assert IS THE COUNTERFEIT!!!!
Just look at it's most vocal supporters, compare it to the history of Danny's brothers and Danny (not to mention his sister and daughter) and tell me if the history doesn't explain the motives and the direction they would go if not challenged?
3ABN is a hypocrisy and a major waste of contributions and tithes until and when it had been placed in the hands, directly or indirectly, of the stockholders in the pews and the current management is substantially changed to reflect denominational theology.
The continued use of the 3ABN staff and facilities by the pedophile protector and brother of admitted pedophile Tommy Ray Shelton, specifically Danny Lee Shelton, to intimidate and interfere in yet another criminal investigation, is a clear example of the loss of any moral compass by Danny Lee Shelton and his circle of pedophile protectors, soon to feel at least the bite of civil process. And how little control and oversight 3ABN managers and directors even now have over Danny's activities!!!
I ONLY WISH I COULD BE A PARTY TO THE COMING LITIGATION!!! What FUN!!! What JUSTICE!!! What RETRIBUTION for years of unpunished miscreant behaviour unchecked as money and patronage protected the guilty!!! What a privilege it will be to assist in every way to the success of this litigation!!!
I, for one, cannot invoke God's Mercy on their souls as I am all too aware of the loss of souls that stands in the balance as a result of their cumulative behaviour. Only a contrite spirit with clear confession and repentance exhibited by a redemptive lifestyle in light of the consequences they deserve would convince me they deserve any mercy for their merciless actions.
And those who support their open and notorious sins must share in their retribution...so, Breezy, straddling the Washington State and Oregon Border will do nothing to save you from your open and notorious support of SIN!!! And the most hideous of sin at that!!!
Shame on you...you are the pot calling the kettle black!!!!
Someone want to make my day???...I will happily accept service and save you that expense and time if you would like to make me a defendant!!! I would even agree to pay the filing fee...And I won't even file a Motion to Dismiss!!! this time we go to the finish line!!!!
Danny, Brad, Tommy, Breezy or even Cindy??? Any takers??? I am exhilarated at the prospect and the opportunity!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Gailon:
I hear Tommy is threatening to sue his victims for court cost if found not guilty. Do you expect he will try to sue you and Bob as well? :) I'm sorry, but that is the biggest joke I have ever read.
Then you have Pat Williams threatening the victims with perjury charges.........how laughable can these people get?
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Beleive me, my offer stands!!! MAKE MY DAY pedophile supporters!!!
Forgot to mention that we have enough from round one to crucify them...and they were not properly designated, just typical Simpson intimidation threats, so I do not believe they are covered by the confidentiality order, particularly since many had already come from our own sources, a clear exemption!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Johann,
Just from reading your emails, I believe that you are a man called of God.
mrst
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Adam, Stop it! no he is not! LOL!! Who? What lawyer? He can't do that legally, can he? Ok so he just needs to go somewhere and sit down, rest himself.......be quiet.
Gailon:
I hear Tommy is threatening to sue his victims for court cost if found not guilty. Do you expect he will try to sue you and Bob as well? :) I'm sorry, but that is the biggest joke I have ever read.
Then you have Pat Williams threatening the victims with perjury charges.........how laughable can these people get?
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Adam, Stop it! no he is not! LOL!! Who? What lawyer? He can't do that legally, can he? Ok so he just needs to go somewhere and sit down, rest himself.......be quiet.
Gailon:
I hear Tommy is threatening to sue his victims for court cost if found not guilty. Do you expect he will try to sue you and Bob as well? :) I'm sorry, but that is the biggest joke I have ever read.
Then you have Pat Williams threatening the victims with perjury charges.........how laughable can these people get?
Di,
According to "Nikolas" on the other site Tommy is going to sue me and the other victim. Yes it is very amusing. I wish them the best of luck! All I have to say is BRING IT ON!
Like Gailon says, "Make my day!" :)
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Court Information
Postby Nikolas » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:57 pm UTC
1. Fact: Tommy Shelton rejected another plea deal from his attorney.
2. Fact: Tommy Shelton has chosen to go to Court.
3. Fact: When what Alex has told in Court is proven to be lies, Tommy will have no choice but to sue for his court expenses.
4. Fact: There has been some talk that Tommy Shelton's attorney advised him to sue.
This came from friends.
This cracks me up every time I read it. Then you have the brilliant Pat Williams who says the victims will be charged with perjury. Here's what's wrong with that.
1. Police found credible evidence to charge Tommy Shelton.
2. Prosecutor's office took the case because they believe there was credible evidence.
3. Judge in the juvenile court found probable cause to move the case to the circuit court.
4. Grand jury met and indicted Tommy.
5. Judge rejected the plea deal, because he believed Tommy should face prison time.
6. Case went back to the grand jury and they indicted Tommy again.
There is no way that the victims will be charged with perjury even if they was lying about their abuse which is doubtful. Pat Williams needs to quit smoking out of the wacky pipe. He claims he has expertise with "law matters." Really Pat? Prove it then.
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Then you have the brilliant wizard over there who goes by "Nikolas". Has anyone noticed that it has refused to publish the video that it claims Alex's parents made? Not only that but it has shut it's trap when it was informed that it's identity is known.
I know who "Nikolas" is as does others. You would think that "Nikolas" would have played a more secretive role in their involvement in butting their nose into business that don't concern them. However, they did not. They think they did, but they didn't.
Then you have the "self appointed" want to be "Give me proof" know it all Cindy Conard Ford over on the other site claiming people need to mind their own business. HA! Totally funny when she is the biggest busybody one will ever meet.
Then her mother, Donna, God love her, is so clueless. Who makes a threat "SHOW US PROOF"! Please, Donna, take two steps back and take a breather. No one needs to show you, or your busybody loud mouth daughter anything.
Cindy Conard Ford do us all a favor and just shut it.