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General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: Murcielago on April 24, 2010, 11:29:01 PM
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My old Scrabble buddy, Cindi, is gone many years too soon. I am glad that in her last days she had good friends and good memories of time with them. The last few years of her life, her death, and her circumstances strike me very hard and I thank the people who were close to her for being there. Life will go on for all of us, and then it will end. There is lots of "woulda, coulda, shoulda" that tears at me as I remember her, but maybe it can extend to the people around and still living.
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Such very sad news, my heart has been aching all evening over it, and I'm sure it will continue.
I'm glad this isn't all there is to this life - this planet and the garbage on it.
I'm so sorry this has happened to her. I plan to greet her again in heaven.
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This morning, Steve said to one of our friends who is grieving for Cindi...
"KM remember, cry when you need too, laugh when you can, and take each day, each moment as it comes.... "
Cindi, my dearest friend, I miss you terribly and treasure each memory we shared. You blessed so many with your life.
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A remarkable member has fallen. Although she was not visible to many here on Advent Talk she left her distinctive footprints which might be visible for a long time.
We look forward to the day when death shall be no more and neither will the reasons why humanity has lived in the valley of the shadow of death give us any more trouble. "Thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."
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Well said, Johann.
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I am so very saddened by this loss. She was jsut so special. I will remember the good times, and how she was so instrumental in "Tha Gathering". My thoughts and prayers are with all us, family and friends who love her.
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I am so thankful that she and I were able to re-connect just before her passing. Now I know the truth.
You will be missed Cindi! I'll always smile inside when I remember that cross-country jeep trip!!
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Yes, Cindi has died.
Several years ago she was diagnosed with a serious illness. It was progressive. She had to give up her practice of law. Gradually it took its toll. The last few weeks of her life were filled with heroic efforts to save her. Those efforts failed. Finally she died. She died with her friends doing what they could to encourage her.
She was a very private person. It is her wish that peple not spend time talking about her death, the illness that finally took her and the last days of her life.
I will simply say: Those who once questioned the issues surrounding her giving up the practice of law simply did not know the facts.
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Yes, Cindi has died.
Several years ago she was diagnosed with a serious illness. It was progressive. She had to give up her practice of law. Gradually it took its toll. The last few weeks of her life were filled with heroic efforts to save her. Those efforts failed. Finally she died. She died with her friends doing what they could to encourage her.
She was a very private person. It is her wish that peple not spend time talking about her death, the illness that finally took her and the last days of her life.
I will simply say: Those who once questioned the issues surrounding her giving up the practice of law simply did not know the facts.
I don't see any point in dragging up old stuff now. There were very questionable circumstances surrounding the end of her law practice, regardless of who thinks they know, or don't know, all the facts. But there is no reason to drag that up now in an effort to have the last word and appear to be "in the know".
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This was posted at BSDA:
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From Noahswife's sister Christina:
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As most of you know, Cindi passed away from breast cancer on Friday April 23. I was with her when she went, which was hard but also an honor. Her wish was to be creamated and her ashes spread here in Santa Rosa Beach. She asked that i pick a time to have everyone release a balloon in her memory. She asked me not to have a service, however I am finding that many still seek a memorial service for closure. Soooo,
Tomorrow at sunset ( Thursday April 28th 7:30 central time 8:30 eastern time) Vor and I (probably mom and larry too) will spread Cindi's ashes. At that time, all who would like to participate in saying good-bye with us should release a balloon and say good-bye in whatever way works for them.
I have not decided about having a memorial service. I need to discuss this more with my family. I am torn between my firm belief that services are for the grieving more than the deceased and fullfilling my beloved sister's wishes down to the last detail.
Finally, I wanted to let everyone know that i have been in touch with "Bark Park" where Cindi and Vor used to go. I am purchasing a bench for the park with a plaque that reads "In loving memory of Cindi Kline Randall who spent many happy hours here with her faithful companion Vor"'
Will all of you take a moment and forward/call and send this to everyone I do not have on the list? Your help is greatly appreciated.
Sending all of you a big hug for the tough days ahead, Christina
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Missing you, my friend. I can't believe it has been a year.
But thankful you now rest peacefully, awaiting the day Jesus will call you home.
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Amen.
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Are you trying to tell me that I have mis-understood the role that Cindi Randall Kline played in the recent epic from 2006 to 2008? And so, just what was the truth and just what was the role she played and to what purpose?
I am not known to memorialize those unworthy so someone best turn this story from black to white with real facts and purpose, provable with documentation!!! It will have an impact on a key chapter in the story, if I am convinced.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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A message from Cindi's sister, Christina...
Jeanette,
would you please post this quote on my behalf:
It is a particularly loathsome act to speak ill of the dead. It is clear to me that this person does not have the love, peace or forgiveness of Jesus Christ in their heart and I pity them. A post such as the one by this "Gailon" is hurtful and only adds to the pain of grieving friends and family. For this "Gailon" to memorialize my dearest and only sister....well, it is neither wanted, needed nor accepted.
Oh and btw, here is MY take on the 3ABN DRAMA ....who cares? Get rid of your satellite dish and go to church. Jim and Tammy Faye have left the building.
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GJ, really? Didn't anyone tell you that if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all. You did not have to post here. You really went too far this time. It is not right when you do in response to other member's posts, but to act this way when someone is not here to defend themsleves. you need to keep that venom to yourself.
Are you trying to tell me that I have mis-understood the role that Cindi Randall Kline played in the recent epic from 2006 to 2008? And so, just what was the truth and just what was the role she played and to what purpose?
I am not known to memorialize those unworthy so someone best turn this story from black to white with real facts and purpose, provable with documentation!!! It will have an impact on a key chapter in the story, if I am convinced.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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A message from Cindi's sister, Christina...
Jeanette,
would you please post this quote on my behalf:
It is a particularly loathsome act to speak ill of the dead. It is clear to me that this person does not have the love, peace or forgiveness of Jesus Christ in their heart and I pity them. A post such as the one by this "Gailon" is hurtful and only adds to the pain of grieving friends and family. For this "Gailon" to memorialize my dearest and only sister....well, it is neither wanted, needed nor accepted.
Oh and btw, here is MY take on the 3ABN DRAMA ....who cares? Get rid of your satellite dish and go to church. Jim and Tammy Faye have left the building.
Christina,
I feel your pain. I am sorry that a member here caused you additional pain.
Obviously you have no interest in the 3ABN story so I doubt if you read here regularly. That leaves me wondering just who could be so cruel as to make sure you were exposed to someone else's hurtful opinion unnecessarily. I have my suspicions.
Just remember what I told you on FB. There were two people I confided in. Your sister and someone else. You know your sister's response. That only leaves...well...
I implore you, my dear friend's sister, to be VERY careful who you choose to trust. I found out the hard way. If you want to talk about it, you know where to find me.
Best regards, and prayers for the huge hole I know you still have in your heart...
Snoopy
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Oh and btw, here is MY take on the 3ABN DRAMA ....who cares? Get rid of your satellite dish and go to church. Jim and Tammy Faye have left the building.[/i]
Has Danny left the building?
Obviously you have no interest in the 3ABN story so I doubt if you read here regularly. That leaves me wondering just who could be so cruel as to make sure you were exposed to someone else's hurtful opinion unnecessarily.
You put into words the question that immediately jumped out at me.
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Facts are facts and truth is truth, and the fruits do follow. Sad, sometimes hurtful but why try to change or cover it? I believe one was just trying to give fickle acknowledgement of posts gone by. I am sure OBL's family find all good. Is there anything one can say good now after the fact? Don't think so. Nothing changes as character deceases. In fact I don't sometimes even believe what I see...for instance- it is a great wonder how someone can do kidney dialysis for 10 years (OBL)and and be in regular (walking the halls of the mansion) condition. Those finer details just don't mingle well. What can we believe? what we are told? and for what motives to gain. :ROFL: Are we now downgraded so much we can't think for ourselves or be prodded that we better not or else -on posts. It comes to mind from reading "our" books that the US will only find their deceivement when tooooo late. --- :help: for followers will be too late.
and BTW I notice now the dually pair of 3abn sits side by side now for the viewers to get into common place of acceptance"asking that she be called by first name" and she reaches out twice for the very personal "pats" on his arm. "Whew when does this stop!!! Downfall, you can pretty well say "it's coming". EGW clearly states that a pastor or men) that likes to do hand on touches with female other then handshake to "beware". She is right. Then there are women that do the same thing. :ROFL: I wonder who tried to come on to who in this (now laughing mess)Yep, I've been a watch-en to verify the truth --as fact develops. Of course my opinion to persuade others is not the reason here. It is for my own acknowledgements. It is for the reason of being disgruntled by financial deceivement. The handwriting was on the wall when I first got the "ole letter" from 3abn, before Gailon ever commented way back when.... Back in posts I knew what outcome this evil would bring. the fact is the culprit just keeps a "truckin" as the "bright lights" from the :oncoming train" will meet him headon.
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What change does a death make?
Many rejoyce that Obama Bin Laden is dead, others threaten revenge.
My wife and I have both lost our first mates Now we are staying with her sister attempting to comfort her after the funeral of her husband. They were married for almost 60 years.
As we return home I will be making preparations for a couple of child dedications in the family. Life and death is the way of life for yet a while. For how long? Are we prepared? How?
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What change does a death make?
Many rejoyce that Obama Bin Laden is dead, others threaten revenge.
My wife and I have both lost our first mates Now we are staying with her sister attempting to comfort her after the funeral of her husband. They were married for almost 60 years.
As we return home I will be making preparations for a couple of child dedications in the family. Life and death is the way of life for yet a while. For how long? Are we prepared? How?
You are right, Johann, as usual!
But I would submit to you that the death of a spouse of 60+ years is a bit different than the death of a sibling who has not even reached 60 years of age. I lost my mom last year, but she was in her 80s. Christina lost a sister who had not yet even reached 60 year old.
But regardless of age, the question still stands. Are we prepared?
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Tinka, you might not have information os this, but I have first hand information. OBL could have been on dialysis for 10 years and walked around his house. Not everyone on dialysis is bedridden or even weak. They work and carry on normal lives. My father, aunt and cousin did and do exactly that until they got their transplants I know of a dear friend now who does the same, waiting for her transplant.
If there is another thread regarding OBL, I will comment further on recent events. This is not the appropriate thread for this discussion. Folks, can we please sling the mud in another thread besides this one? Just out of some sense of common courtesy?
Facts are facts and truth is truth, and the fruits do follow. Sad, sometimes hurtful but why try to change or cover it? I believe one was just trying to give fickle acknowledgement of posts gone by. I am sure OBL's family find all good. Is there anything one can say good now after the fact? Don't think so. Nothing changes as character deceases. In fact I don't sometimes even believe what I see...for instance- it is a great wonder how someone can do kidney dialysis for 10 years (OBL)and and be in regular (walking the halls of the mansion) condition. Those finer details just don't mingle well. What can we believe? what we are told? and for what motives to gain. :ROFL: Are we now downgraded so much we can't think for ourselves or be prodded that we better not or else -on posts. It comes to mind from reading "our" books that the US will only find their deceivement when tooooo late. --- :help: for followers will be too late.
and BTW I notice now the dually pair of 3abn sits side by side now for the viewers to get into common place of acceptance"asking that she be called by first name" and she reaches out twice for the very personal "pats" on his arm. "Whew when does this stop!!! Downfall, you can pretty well say "it's coming". EGW clearly states that a pastor or men) that likes to do hand on touches with female other then handshake to "beware". She is right. Then there are women that do the same thing. :ROFL: I wonder who tried to come on to who in this (now laughing mess)Yep, I've been a watch-en to verify the truth --as fact develops. Of course my opinion to persuade others is not the reason here. It is for my own acknowledgements. It is for the reason of being disgruntled by financial deceivement. The handwriting was on the wall when I first got the "ole letter" from 3abn, before Gailon ever commented way back when.... Back in posts I knew what outcome this evil would bring. the fact is the culprit just keeps a "truckin" as the "bright lights" from the :oncoming train" will meet him headon.
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Yea, these days I think my thoughts run in all directions at once. Trying to stay a float mentallity with my own grief. Sorry
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This is not the appropriate thread for this discussion. Folks, can we please sling the mud in another thread besides this one? Just out of some sense of common courtesy?
Agreed, Di!! This is NOT the thread for that!!
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Understood, Tinka. Unfortunately, for us our family is dealing with loss anew. Yesterday, my younger cousin passed away..........Lord have mercy on us all.
Yea, these days I think my thoughts run in all directions at once. Trying to stay a float mentallity with my own grief. Sorry
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I'm so sad for all of you dealing with loss of any kind. We were so fortunate untill a few years ago when our family started loosing folks to illness, old age and so on. I can totally relate.
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I miss you, Cindi. I so wish I could talk to you right now.
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Ditto.
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I did it, Cindi. I finally did it. I know it's a little late, but you always said you would be proud of me. I miss you so much.
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I did it, Cindi. I finally did it. I know it's a little late, but you always said you would be proud of me. I miss you so much.
Shouldn't we be proud of you too?
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Sounds like it Pastor Johann!
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Oh Cindi...
Why didn't I listen to you? Why? I've learned so much in recent weeks... Wish I could talk to you...
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It's been over two years and I still haven't adjusted to not interacting with Cindi nearly every day. Her death left such a hole in my life.
I don't know what you've learned and I have purposely distanced myself from the entire toxic issue except to watch as Tommy Shelton is finally wrapped in the arms of the justice system as a consequence for his abominable actions. If your eyes have been opened to see what Cindi was attempting to share with you just know that she and I would be jumping for joy.
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It's been over two years and I still haven't adjusted to not interacting with Cindi nearly every day.
GrandmaNettie,
Good to have you back.
For a number of years now I have wondered what was really going on behind the scenes. Would you feel free to share? I have wondered why you and Cindi were contacting Daryl's conference office. What was that really all about? Was anyone asking you and/or Cindi to do that, or suggesting that you and/or Cindi do that, or asking you and/or Cindi to accomplish any sort of objective?
I would suggest that it might be more appropriate to answer in a different thread than this one.
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For a number of years now I have wondered what was really going on behind the scenes. Would you feel free to share? I have wondered why you and Cindi were contacting Daryl's conference office. What was that really all about? Was anyone asking you and/or Cindi to do that, or suggesting that you and/or Cindi do that, or asking you and/or Cindi to accomplish any sort of objective?
1) It would seem to me that this issue should be between Daryl and Grandma Nettie.
2) I do not think this should be an issue for public discussion, unless Daryl choses to make it such.
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For a number of years now I have wondered what was really going on behind the scenes. Would you feel free to share? I have wondered why you and Cindi were contacting Daryl's conference office. What was that really all about? Was anyone asking you and/or Cindi to do that, or suggesting that you and/or Cindi do that, or asking you and/or Cindi to accomplish any sort of objective?
1) It would seem to me that this issue should be between Daryl and Grandma Nettie.
2) I do not think this should be an issue for public discussion, unless Daryl choses to make it such.
You may be correct, but since those contacts appear to have been an effort to shut down or adversely affect this website, I think it goes beyond just being between Daryl and GrandmaNettie.
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Was this ever answered in a different thread than this one?
As it seems it wasn't from the later posts, a lot of time has passed by, therefore, I will need to refresh my memory regarding all of this. I do remember receiving a call or two about this from Cindi, however, I can't remember anything much about her communication with the Conference. As my older laptop computer crashed, I no longer have any record of that to refresh my memory.
I haven't been following things here very much lately, therefore, I missed all this interaction until today.
Even though this was started here without my permission, seeing that it was started, I am OK with it, as it really is water under the bridge, so to speak.
It's been over two years and I still haven't adjusted to not interacting with Cindi nearly every day.
GrandmaNettie,
Good to have you back.
For a number of years now I have wondered what was really going on behind the scenes. Would you feel free to share? I have wondered why you and Cindi were contacting Daryl's conference office. What was that really all about? Was anyone asking you and/or Cindi to do that, or suggesting that you and/or Cindi do that, or asking you and/or Cindi to accomplish any sort of objective?
I would suggest that it might be more appropriate to answer in a different thread than this one.
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It's been over two years and I still haven't adjusted to not interacting with Cindi nearly every day. Her death left such a hole in my life.
I don't know what you've learned and I have purposely distanced myself from the entire toxic issue except to watch as Tommy Shelton is finally wrapped in the arms of the justice system as a consequence for his abominable actions. If your eyes have been opened to see what Cindi was attempting to share with you just know that she and I would be jumping for joy.
Well McFly, I think I finally get it. Now I may need to start fixing some things...
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Yes, Cindi has died.
Several years ago she was diagnosed with a serious illness. It was progressive. She had to give up her practice of law. Gradually it took its toll. The last few weeks of her life were filled with heroic efforts to save her. Those efforts failed. Finally she died. She died with her friends doing what they could to encourage her.
She was a very private person. It is her wish that peple not spend time talking about her death, the illness that finally took her and the last days of her life.
I will simply say: Those who once questioned the issues surrounding her giving up the practice of law simply did not know the facts.
Why are you doing the opposite of what she wished?
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Yes, Cindi has died.
Several years ago she was diagnosed with a serious illness. It was progressive. She had to give up her practice of law. Gradually it took its toll. The last few weeks of her life were filled with heroic efforts to save her. Those efforts failed. Finally she died. She died with her friends doing what they could to encourage her.
She was a very private person. It is her wish that peple not spend time talking about her death, the illness that finally took her and the last days of her life.
I will simply say: Those who once questioned the issues surrounding her giving up the practice of law simply did not know the facts.
Why are you doing the opposite of what she wished?
Why are you replying to a post that's well over 2 yrs old?
AND WHY doesn't every one just let Cindi rest for right now, and hold on to the hope of seeing her again? I don't think she would appreciate ANY of the posts here. I know I don't.
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Cindy, funerals and memorial services are not for the deceased. They are to faciliate healing in the lives of those left behind. I think that some of those posting here are looking for healing. Would Cindi want to deny them that? I think not.
Yes, as I stated at the time of her death, she did not want people talking about her death. She really did not want the typical funeral. She was silent about her health issues with those who were her friends and close to her until just before the end. But, life moves on and some people here are attempting to move on and for them this has been a long journey.
In any case, welcome here, Cindy. I do not expect that a lot of people here will agree with you. But, I really do not expect them to agree with me. Often they do not. So far, I am allowed to post.
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Yes, Cindi has died.
Several years ago she was diagnosed with a serious illness. It was progressive. She had to give up her practice of law. Gradually it took its toll. The last few weeks of her life were filled with heroic efforts to save her. Those efforts failed. Finally she died. She died with her friends doing what they could to encourage her.
She was a very private person. It is her wish that peple not spend time talking about her death, the illness that finally took her and the last days of her life.
I will simply say: Those who once questioned the issues surrounding her giving up the practice of law simply did not know the facts.
Why are you doing the opposite of what she wished?
Why are you replying to a post that's well over 2 yrs old?
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Ask Gregory why he spent two paragraphs talking about his perspectives of her death AND THEN tells us it was her wish not to talk about it.
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I don't think Cindi ever asked that no one speak of her life, express that they miss her, or reminisce about her. She may have been misunderstood and maligned, but she had many friends, and had an unusually powerful positive impact on a great many lives, and that will be celebrated in private and in public for many years, regardless how angry anyone might get about it. I was scrolling through the contacts on my phone the other day and found that I still have her there. I remembered some great conversations and smiled.
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Misunderstood and maligned?
She used to follow me around on BSDA and make extremely sharp and unkind comments to me.
She was a major reason for me to quit posting on BSDA.
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Sometimes one learns another side that explains much when they talk with someone personally. I also had many big issues with her, then I called her and we talked. We both learned a lot that cleared up many misunderstandings. We always disagreed on a number of things, but I grew to respect and appreciate her very much.
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I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. I know that she is not here to defend herself.