Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Artiste on July 17, 2012, 03:05:47 PM
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From the website of "the One project - Celebrating the supremacy of Jesus in the Seventh-day Adventist Church", of which Ken Denslow is listed as a board member:
Ken Denslow is Assistant to the President of the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventists. Previously, he served as president of the Illinois Conference, a position he held for over nine years. Ken is a fifth generation Adventist on both his father's and mother's sides of the family. He is fond of saying, though, that he is a first generation Christian because every new generation has to have a fresh start in deciding for themselves if they will follow Jesus.
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Previously, he served as president of the Illinois Conference, a position he held for over nine years.
There has been discussion in the past concerning Ken Denslow's position on the 3ABN board as President of the Illinois Conference.
Did he incur liability for the Illinois Conference or the GC by being on that board and participating in certain actions (or lack thereof)?
Was he then put in the position of Assistant to the Presient of the North American Division, Elder Dan Jackson, to protect him or contain his actions?
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But perhaps this is not a problem in the eyes of church leadership, since Dan Jackson recently appeared at a New York camp meeting with Danny Shelton, Yvonne Lewis, and some other 3ABN people, effectively endorsing them.
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I believe that Ken served on the 3-ABN Board with the full support of SDA leadership. I will suggest that anyone who thinks otherwise simply does not understand how the denomination functions.
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I believe that Ken served on the 3-ABN Board with the full support of SDA leadership. I will suggest that anyone who thinks otherwise simply does not understand how the denomination functions.
And what does that say about SDA leadership?
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I believe that Ken served on the 3-ABN Board with the full support of SDA leadership. I will suggest that anyone who thinks otherwise simply does not understand how the denomination functions.
And what does that say about SDA leadership?
(Other than that they want to preserve their opportunities for media exposure...TV time...)
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Being on a board also gives one an opportunity to help influence outcomes. I think when you're talking about a rogue ministry like 3ABN, some leaders would want to influence outcomes in order to bring the rogue ministry back into line with Seventh-day Adventist principles and standards.
But whether Ken Denslow voted for or against the retaliatory lawsuit against Gailon and myself, I do not know. I would hope not. Suing someone because they blew the whistle against Danny Shelton's cover up of his pedophile brother Tommy Shelton who is now serving time would be a most ungodly thing to do. I would hope Elder Denslow voted against it.
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Back in 2003 when I met with the Board of 3ABN there were also two retired Church officers on the board, Owen Troy, former Communications Director of NAD and then G. Ralph Thompson, retired General Secretary of the GC. I had formerly worked with Owen Troy in West Africa, and G.Ralph Thompson and I had been schoolmates. Shortly after the divorce case came before the board, G. Ralph Thompson resigned after I had sent him my personal account of what happened, and how manipulated Danny's accounts were, and I appealed to him to do what was right. I still have no idea what made him resign.
I should add that I tried to give an account to other Board members through Owen Troy, but was told he did not care what really happened. They would leave the matter to Nick Miller, their lawyer, and his job would just be to preserve 3ABN, regardless of what happened, because the continued function of 3ABN was what meant the most to the Seventh-day Adventist Church. I suppose this is how some church leaders felt as well, and explains why a Vice President of the General Conference indicated to Linda Shelton that she would just have to be sacrificed on the altar for the benefit of the Church.
It appeared to me then that 3ABN tried to have as many SDA Church officers on the Board as possible in order to maintain a connection with the Church.
According to the constitution of 3ABN, as I read it, the president of the Illinois Conference was a member of the Board, whoever was serving as a president. So Ken Denslow would no longer be a member of the 3ABN board when he quit as a president of the Illinois Conference.
I suppose it could be debated what personal responsibility the president of the Illinois Conference has after he leaves, or if it is the Illinois Conference which carries a liability since they have accepted that their president is always a member of the 3ABN Board?
I understand that 3ABN has tried to make the president of the Lake Union a member of their board as well, but I do not know the present situation. He was not a board member while I was there.
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I am personally quainted with a denominational leader who resigned from the 3-ABN Board because he disagreed with a position that the Board had taken.
He became a strong supporter of me in my defense of Linda and he served to protect me from criticism for supporting her.
To protect his privacy I will neither identify him nor the issue that caused him to resign from the Board.
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It appeared to me then that 3ABN tried to have as many SDA Church officers on the Board as possible in order to maintain a connection with the Church.
That's interesting the church was maintaining that close contact.
For a while more recently, it seemed that they were trying to distance themselves from 3ABN, but now it seems to have come full circle with NAD President Dan Jackson appearing at the campmeeting with Danny Shelton et al.
So the Sheltons have been rehabbed... or not...
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Does anyone have the day and the hour he decided to follow Jesus and not the "annointed one"?
Believe me when I say, HE IS PART OF THE PROBLEM AND NOT THE SOLUTION!!!
He did not follow in the footsteps of BJ Bjorgenson, who did walk in the footsteps of Christ!!
We still have his number and his intentions have not changed that I can see!!! Jackson chose poorly!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
From the website of "the One project - Celebrating the supremacy of Jesus in the Seventh-day Adventist Church", of which Ken Denslow is listed as a board member:
Ken Denslow is Assistant to the President of the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventists. Previously, he served as president of the Illinois Conference, a position he held for over nine years. Ken is a fifth generation Adventist on both his father's and mother's sides of the family. He is fond of saying, though, that he is a first generation Christian because every new generation has to have a fresh start in deciding for themselves if they will follow Jesus.
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Are you talking about Ken Denslow as the one who was a poor choice of Dan Jackson?
In what ways is he part of the problem?
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When a CONFERENCE administrator ignores EVERY WARNING SIGN and ignores the evidence presented, he is an assesory to the cover-up. He is fully aware of the BJ notes taken from Melody...he was made aware of the issues with Tommy Lee Shelton...he was also aware of the issues regarding Linda Shelton and remains a coverer and detractor to this very day. He sees no evil, hears no evil and says no evil, but simply allows evil to flourish!!! It will not end in Washington!!! Unless he has a "come to Jesus moment" at which time we will be glad to hear his confession, his contrition and watch his revival and reformation...lo, we wait for that precious moment, but do not hold our breathes.
He has not apologized to Linda for the pied piper role he played in the Illinois Conference, he has not shown the least interest in seeing justice prevail, he has ignored the evidence against Tommy Lee Shelton while other conference presidents forwarded evidence and demanded action...DENSLOW called for Inaction and allowed the perpetuation of the issues unchecked. We must assume he allowed the use of litigation in an effort to silence the investigation and revelations!!! He certainly did not protest and was clearly present!!!
And do you think that Denslow as Special Assistant to the President will suddenly call for a return to primitive Godliness by the adulterers, the instructors of Macro Evolution, the defilers of the Word of God??? Not without a true call to repentance!!! And who will give that call in Washington??? Listen carefully...very carefully...as you may just miss the "silent" small voice!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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he has ignored the evidence against Tommy Lee Shelton while other conference presidents forwarded evidence and demanded action...
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Which other conference presidents forwarded evidence and asked for action?
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THAT IS PRIVELEGED!!! THEY ARE PROTECTED SOURCES!!!
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Sources are protected and worth sitting in jail to protect!!!!
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THAT IS PRIVELEGED!!! THEY ARE PROTECTED SOURCES!!!
Is that the conference presidents that are being protected? What are they sources for?
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When a CONFERENCE administrator ignores EVERY WARNING SIGN and ignores the evidence presented, he is an assesory to the cover-up. He is fully aware of the BJ notes taken from Melody...he was made aware of the issues with Tommy Lee Shelton...he was also aware of the issues regarding Linda Shelton and remains a coverer and detractor to this very day.
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Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
As was noted in another thread, there is possible liablilty of Illinois Conference, due to knowledge that has been established at the time.
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Previously, he served as president of the Illinois Conference, a position he held for over nine years.
There has been discussion in the past concerning Ken Denslow's position on the 3ABN board as President of the Illinois Conference.
Did he incur liability for the Illinois Conference or the GC by being on that board and participating in certain actions (or lack thereof)?
Was he then put in the position of Assistant to the President of the North American Division, Elder Dan Jackson, to protect him or contain his actions?
This is an example of how the SDA church might become involved in the current litigation against 3ABN for Tommy Shelton's cover up.
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Being on a board also gives one an opportunity to help influence outcomes. I think when you're talking about a rogue ministry like 3ABN, some leaders would want to influence outcomes in order to bring the rogue ministry back into line with Seventh-day Adventist principles and standards.
But whether Ken Denslow voted for or against the retaliatory lawsuit against Gailon and myself, I do not know. I would hope not. Suing someone because they blew the whistle against Danny Shelton's cover up of his pedophile brother Tommy Shelton who is now serving time would be a most ungodly thing to do. I would hope Elder Denslow voted against it.
Being on the board gives one an opportunity to help influence outcomes...also goes for Tommy Shelton issues.
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Since 3ABN people remind us that GC, Union and Conference employees have traditionally been on the board of 3ABN and, they say, continue to do so, doesn't that open up the church to legal liability in the lawsuit against 3ABN for its cover up of pedophile Tommy Shelton?
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Since 3ABN people remind us that GC, Union and Conference employees have traditionally been on the board of 3ABN and, they say, continue to do so, doesn't that open up the church to legal liability in the lawsuit against 3ABN for its cover up of pedophile Tommy Shelton?
Where it might cause some difficulties is if the board members got sued too. The question would then be whether the church's insurance would kick in.
Now if Tommy (or Danny) molested a kid or sexually harassed an adult at a 3ABN rally at a church, and if the NAD knew or should have known about the past allegations, and if the NAD's promotion of 3ABN was a reason why that church decided to host the rally, and if the kid or his/her parents sued, then that might get sticky. In the case of Danny, it would be hard to say that no one at the NAD knew about Linda's daughter's letter alleging sexual assault by Danny against her since it had wide circulation in 2006.
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Re: Untrue Accusations
by Lilly ยป Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:31 pm UTC
Bob--Truth gave you a challenge, are you going to prove your lies are true or are you going to run like a scared rabbit? We are waiting to hear what evidence you have that 3ABN paid a million dollars to the IRS. Come on, don't be scared. We are still waiting. It is now down to the line. If we don't hear from you about this, we will know without a doubt that your IRS accusations are nothing but hot aired lies.
And all the other accusations are also not worth more than a pile of sand.
Lily has pulled off her glove, slapped you with it and thrown it to the ground. She says it's now down to the line. Do you know what line she is referring to? Anyway, she has challenged you. (And if you come back, I will taunt you a second time!)
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Whoa! I just noticed, she asked that you prove your lies are true. [scratches head and ponders] how will you go about proving that lies are true? If they are lies, they cant be true. If they are true, they cant be lies... Unless... No... Wait... It's like a Chinese puzzle, or a rubiks cube!!! Aaaaggghh! [runs to medicine cabinet for Tylenol!]
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To my knowledge I never said 3ABN paid a million dollars. In my statements I tried to be careful and state only what our sources said, and nothing more.
But turn about is fair play: It has now been four years since Ronnie Shelton, Jim Gilley, Danny Shelton, and Doug Batchelor claimed without evidence that no infractions or discrepancies were found, and that no money exchanged hands. It's now high time that these four individuals cough up at least some evidence to that effect.
It's actually very easy to do. 3ABN and Danny Shelton and Remnant Publications can simply sign releases that permits the IRS to discloses information regarding these matters to third parties. They can then send us those releases, and we will obtain the information from the IRS and publish it.
You see, the fact that 3ABN, Danny, and Remnant don't allow the IRS to disclose this information speaks volumes. That in itself is evidence that what our sources told us is correct, that the IRS was paid more than $1 million in order for the investigation to go away.
If Tommy pleading the Fifth is evidence that he is guilty, then the failure to permit the IRS to disclose the information is also evidence.
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You know the best part about our "sources"??? They have proven to be remarkably accurate and if faulty at all, UNDERSTATED!!!
You know, Mr Pickle, you are now on the witness list in Re: Alex vs 3ABN. When are you going to post that Deposition??? Might as well "open fire" with the BIG GUNS right out of the gate. To bad they did not video your deposition. Need to subpoena a copy of the Tommy tape for public display.
I am actually exhilirated... we are back on the battlefield in full armor and ready to advance!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter