Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Snoopy on March 13, 2008, 08:06:00 PM
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OK - Calvin at BSDA has been served as well:
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21098
For the following posters:
LaurenceD
Sonshineonme
Observer
Pickle
Justice4jesus
Sister
Richard Sherwin
ex3ABNemployee
Snoopy
Johann
Fran
Lurker
Princessdi
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Here is Calvin's opening post and link over at BSDA:
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21098&st=0&#entry240939
A Subpoena was delivered to my home today.
Re: Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc. and Danny Lee Shelton vs. Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle.
I have been commanded to give a deposition on March 20, 2008 and provide the following(they where even nice enough enclose a check for $54.27 for my gas and court cost)
1) All access logs from the website www.blacksda.com, which registered to and operated by you, for all threads related 3abn.
2) All identifying information, including registration information and IP addresses for the following posters to the website www.blacksda.com.
Now all you lurkers are going to have to login or register to see the list of names on the next post.
If I get a chance tomorrow I will scan to a PDF and post the subpoena.
I wonder why they didn't issue it to his host, as they did here?
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Perhaps they figured your driving expenses would be too great?
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I thought I would post a quote of the first post in this new topic that I created out of that post for the reason that this should have its own topic.
OK - Calvin at BSDA has been served as well:
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21098
For the following posters:
LaurenceD
Sonshineonme
Observer
Pickle
Justice4jesus
Sister
Richard Sherwin
ex3ABNemployee
Snoopy
Johann
Fran
Lurker
Princessdi
Let's compare it to the list here at Advent Talk:
I seem to not know how to post the subponea.
The following 14 peopole are listed in the subponea:
Child of the king
Chrissie
Inga
Artiste
Sonshineonme
Daryl Fawcett
Sister
Johann
Ozzie
Gregory
Snoopy
Soul Expresso
Bonnie
Fran
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Is there a reason that Calvin was served and not his host company . Why hasn't Daryl been served directly
Bonnie
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BlueHost is physically located in the U.S. Daryl is physically located in Canada.
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Well I was just getting interested in going back to church, but if this is what SDA's represent I guess I'll have to rethink that.
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I'm sure you will find a church that is just as interested in you as you are in considering going there. Bring them some of your joy, and you will rejoice together.
Blessings,
Johann
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Well I was just getting interested in going back to church, but if this is what SDA's represent I guess I'll have to rethink that.
Snoopy, I have to agree with you. This is a very sad day for the Seventh-day Adventist church.
Hey, if you were close by, we could start our own church!
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Yes it is a sad day in the Adventist church and personally for me as well when I received the subpoena yesterday. But look in the bright side, I still had a better week than Eliot Spitzer! ;D
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LOL!! Thanks for the chuckle, Calvin! And by the way, may God give you wisdom and guidance as you determine how to proceed. Whatever you do, I appreciate the ministry you have and will continue to provide.
Maybe the time has come for this mess to hit the media just like Eliot Spitzer's did...
Yes it is a sad day in the Adventist church and personally for me as well when I received the subpoena yesterday. But look in the bright side, I still had a better week than Eliot Spitzer! ;D
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Thank you, Johann - you are truly a special person! And Artiste, I would be honored to start a church with you!!! Thank God we are already sisters in Christ!
I would love to meet both of you one day. If that doesn't happen on earth, I'll be looking for you in heaven!!
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Good to see you here too, Calvin. Now we are kind of in this together.
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Thank you, Johann - you are truly a special person! And Artiste, I would be honored to start a church with you!!! Thank God we are already sisters in Christ!
I would love to meet both of you one day. If that doesn't happen on earth, I'll be looking for you in heaven!!
Snoopy, I would love to meet you too, and Johann, and Calvin and everybody else...
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I have posted elsewhere here that Calvin has posted on BSDA that he has hired a lawyer and is resisting the subpoena.
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Here is the subpoena that was served to Calvin as posted for downloading over at BSDA.
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Thank you, Johann - you are truly a special person! And Artiste, I would be honored to start a church with you!!! Thank God we are already sisters in Christ!
I would love to meet both of you one day. If that doesn't happen on earth, I'll be looking for you in heaven!!
Snoopy, I would love to meet you too, and Johann, and Calvin and everybody else...
Wont it be wonderful when we can all meet together in Heaven, at the feet of Jesus?
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Well I was just getting interested in going back to church, but if this is what SDA's represent I guess I'll have to rethink that.
Go back, young lady, and make your parents proud as you help to take the Church back to it's roots of Denominational Purity as it grows into the remnant!!!
Besides, it is the only way you will claim your reward.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Regarding the subpoena issued to Calvin for BlackSDA,I found it interesting that 3ABN believes Linda Shelton might be sending "e-mails, letters, or other documents" to BlackSDA.
Her name is on the list that Calvin is commanded to produce information for.
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Taken from Calvin's supoena:
SCHEDULE A
I) All access logs from the website www.BlackSDA.com, which is registered to and operated by you, for all threads related to 3ABN (Three Angels Broadcasting, Inc.)
2) All identifying information, including registration information and IP addresses for the following posters to the website www.BlackSDA.com:
Erik
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
LaurenceD
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Sonshineonme
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Observer
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Pickle
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
justice4jesus
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Sister
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Richard Sherwin
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
ex3ABNemployec
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Snoopy
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Johann
An Unauthorized History of 3ABN continues
Fran
The Lawsuit Continues
Lurker
Jim Gilley Takes Over As President
Princessdi
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
3) All e-mails, letters or other documents sent to you by any of the following individuals or sent by you to any of the following individuals:
Gailon Arthur Joy
Robert Pickle
Linda Shelton
Darryl Fawcett
Johann Thorvaldsson
4) All e-mails, letters or other documents sent to you by any of the following posters to the website www.BlackSDA.com or sent by you to any of the following posters to the website www.BlackSDA.com:
Erik
LaurenceD
sonshineonme
Observer
Pickle
justice4jesus
sister
Richard Sherwin
ex3ABNemployee
Snoopy
Johann
Fran
lurker
princessdi
that mention, discuss, refer or relate to Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., Danny Shelton, Tommy Shelton, Linda Shelton, the lawsuit Three Angels Broadcasting, Inc. and Danny Lee Shelton v. Gallon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle (District of Massachusetts), the bankruptcy of Gailon Arthur Joy (District of Massachusetts), the dissolution of the marriage of Danny Lee and Linda Shelton, the 3ABN discussion forum on the BIackSDA.com website, or any of the 3ABN discussion threads on the BlackSDA.com website, or that mention, discuss, refer or relate to the identity of the above-listed posters.
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Artiste, if you have the time, it would be nice to provide live links to all the sample posts mentioned above.
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Artiste probably copied this from the pdf file copy of the actual subpoena, which you can also download from my previous post here in this thread.
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I did copy it from Daryl's post at the top of this page, which has the attachment with the pdf file copy of Calvin's subpoena.
However, you must be logged in to see the attachment and be able to download it.
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I have corrected it so that it can be seen and downloaded without the need to being logged in.
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That's good!
Thanks, Daryl! :)
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Here is the subpoena that was served to Calvin as posted for downloading over at BSDA.
UNBELIVEABLE! Exactly what kind of people are the McNallasis.....to support this sort of GARBAGE?
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Snoopy, I would love to meet you too, ..........and everybody else...
"Chrissie," HA.....my bet is, that "everybody else"...certainly dosn't include me! :ROFL:
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Snoopy, I would love to meet you too, ..........and everybody else...
"Chrissie," HA.....my bet is, that "everybody else"...certainly dosn't include me! :ROFL:
J.R., that was a quote from me!
...and I would be delighted to meet you!
(We probably have some similar and perhaps somewhat contemporary past experiences.)
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The Lawsuit Continues ...
Here are my posts:
Jul 18 2007, 02:10 PM
I have been told it is only guilty people who try very hard to hide everything. That, IMO, is what this whole case is really about.
Please, Sister did not ask you to give her advice. Your words appear to be high and mighty, like you rule the actions of others. Are you Emily Post? Did you miss the class on "How to Win Friends and Influence People"?
Jul 19 2007, 11:37 PM
They better be quick, They will reach in and destroy the hard drives for them. I have 5 here fried. Remove those hard drives right now! Send copies of the data to every media outlet you can think of. NOW! Do not stop and breathe. DO IT NOW> That goes for everyone of you! Unplug power and cables to your computer. Save all email on the servers. Save it as soon as you get it. Put it out of their reach. Start changing your passwords everywhere.
I received a letter from a company this week. An employee sold my bank account information and everything else you can think of. It is currently being investigated. My bank account is full of charges to my bank account. I missed the house payment over it. They sold my account number, address, name, phone, credit card info, everything. I checked my account, and sure enough, it is 6 pages long. I never had that many transactions! Most of them are from one source. PayPal. Yeah, eBay purchases. All pswds have been changed. My account is frozen until we get this figured out with the authorities. Danny loves using PayPal to gain $$$$'s. IMO, he has broadened his horizons!
Mark my words and READ MY LIPS, he has your info too. Start protecting it ASAP. Nothing is safe at this point in time. IMO Danny is getting very scared and desperate!
Jul 22 2007, 02:33 AM
Some of us are just not as logical as you are. I read the above and gathered the same as Sister. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that something vital is missing from these documents. I believe that because of the vast amount of hog wash that has been dumped on us.
Lurker;
You are so right!
IMO I don’t believe Danny is the brightest bulb in a socket. However, I do not think that Danny is brave enough that he would request Joy and Pickles hard drives.
I do not believe there is ANY WAY DANNY WANTS THAT INFORMATION BEING EXPOSED TO THE JUDGE! Instead, he would use Garwin Mcneilus’ money, or 3ABN donor’s funds to destroy that drive!
If the information is gone, it is no longer a threat! Why do you think someone keeps burning my drives? Surely Gailon and Joy are smart enough to have Safety Deposit Boxes at an undisclosed Bank! Keeping Data only at your location is not good. They didn’t destroy any information on my drives about 3ABN. They didn’t even get any of my pictures or my genealogy! I only have programs on the C drive. I can reload those! My problem is that, for me, it is expensive to buy a new computer with extra security.
I have to admit, my first thought was to hack into 3ABN and erase some hard drives over there and cause some havoc! However, I let that thought go. I would be like the person that hacked me. Two wrongs never make a right.
No, they will NOT ask for those drives. Some people would burn buildings down to destroy what they can not get to. Some people do things like this, just for fun! Yeah they do. Why? Just because they can.
My opinion:
• Doug Bachelor is not stupid.
• Garwin McNeilus is not stupid.
• Don Schneider is not stupid
• Jan Paulsen is not stupid.
Do we honestly believe these folks don’t know what is going on? I believe they know!
Now just why do these intelligent men back Danny Shelton and his dubious activities? Think about it!
1. IMO, Danny is holding them hostage through blackmail. He has the goods on someone and it has caused these fellows to protect some misdeed coming to light.
2. OR, these fellows know full well what is going on and they have a united front in hood winking Danny and leaving him high and dry at just the right moment privately. I prefer to think this is the case, even though it is using deceit as a tool. God is not deceitful. So no matter the reason, it is wrong.
There comes a day that any person will stop what they are doing. That is when the costs exceed the benefits. Each of those gentlemen still have benefits to reap or they would step back. All the way back!
Why do you believe Danny let the jet go? Do you think he did it out of the goodness of his heart? Could it be that the donor paying for it decided that the costs exceeded the benefits? Maybe so. I believe the day is very near where these fellows will consider the cost and benefit options. The scales are going to balance, and someone will be left standing naked in front of the world.
I do not believe, in any way, shape, or form, that these men are stupid! I do believe that each of them know the true Danny. They know! These people are smart enough to check out the information because knowing is safety. They know!
Also, Dr Phil comes to mind. People do what they do to get a certain result. Sometimes people never get the intended result, but keep on doing the same thing over and over again. IMO that would be Danny.
Now, how long will it take for those 4 men listed to figure out that the costs are reaching far beyond the benefits? It is my prayer it will be sooner than later!
Jul 22 2007, 11:06 PM
You go, Bob! Speak loudly and clearly. You will be heard!
Where is the financial Data? Hum. This must be the only thread where I did NOT post financial information.
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Ha Artiste:
Who'd ever wish to come to Lubbock Tejas? It's a BORING place....known for being the hometown of Buddy Holly...and Texas Tech......Dust storms... and a very FLAT landscape! (We have to drive 60 miles to get to our lake!) The WORST experience....is that last 120 miles, coming back from Seattle....after Armidello.......it's totally FLAT!
Actually Tech has the best Vietnam War Archives outside of U.S. Government official channels....indeed probably better....as Government researchers come to Tech....to research things about the Vietnam War. (I'm on the local Board of the Vietnam Center at Tech) But we do beat the Texas Aggies...everytime they try to play our Red Raiders in football.
But I still don't think "Chrissie" Would want to meet me...I'm too much of a butthead. :D
Back to the issue of 3ABN.......It's still UNBELIEVEABLE to me, that Calvin & Daryl were subpoenaed.......or that my dear friend Bonnie was also listed! EXACTLY WHAT SORT OF CREEP is Danny Sheldon....and WHY hasn't Jim Gilley STOPED this silly lawsuit?
Danny must be "Leaking" in his boots....somehow he was able to get the rights to "save3ABN" and Gillion got it relisted as Save-3ABN" ROFLMBO!!!!!!!!!!!
It's getting to the point....that the McNallasis DIRTY $$$ is becoming OBSCENE in the Seventh-day Adventist Community! (didn’t they learn their lesson…when they tried to buy the former, ethically challenged and CURRUPT GC President with UNDER THE TABLE payments to his wife?) As they appear to continue support such a JERK as Danny Sheldon! (so sue me too Danny...for expressing my opinion that your a JERK!......besides being an ADULTERER!)
The really sad thing…is that Linda appears to be a very nice and CHRISTIAN woman….any man should have been proud to have been married to her….But Danny threw her away…..since Brandy “had been chasing me for 10 years.” As he said at the ASI convention.
Sheeeesh…..Isn’t there “accountability” anymore in the Seventh-day Adventist Church…..Apparently NOT….as long as Harold Lance is the involved in ASI!
Hey.....I feel left out...in not being subpoenaed or sued by Danny Sheldon.....with the McNallises big bucks!
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Don't feel to bad JR. What a disappointment some of us will be to them. At least I hope they send me gas money to. Hate to waste my own .
I can't figure out why the media hasn't picked up on this. A lot of people think it is the litigants that run to the media, but they get their information pretty much daily from the courthouse. We never said anything concerning ours and they were all over it.
Bonnie
ps. Anyone that wants to have JR make nice, just serve him some potato salad. Goes from a neandratha to a perfect gentlemen.
He does have an awesome daughter tho
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The really sad thing…is that Linda appears to be a very nice and CHRISTIAN woman….any man should have been proud to have been married to her….But Danny threw her away…..since Brandy “had been chasing me for 10 years.” As he said at the ASI convention.
That was 17 years rather than 10. Wouldn't want them to sue you for "lying."
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I can't figure out why the media hasn't picked up on this. A lot of people think it is the litigants that run to the media, but they get their information pretty much daily from the courthouse. We never said anything concerning ours and they were all over it.
Bonnie
It seems that various people have tried to interest the media in this 3ABN scandal.
On the other hand, I think I remember someone saying at some point that there was a media person trying to get information from them...don't remember the details, though.
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Ha Artiste:
Who'd ever wish to come to Lubbock Tejas? It's a BORING place....known for being the hometown of Buddy Holly...and Texas Tech......Dust storms... and a very FLAT landscape! (We have to drive 60 miles to get to our lake!) The WORST experience....is that last 120 miles, coming back from Seattle....after Armidello.......it's totally FLAT!
J.R., I'm sure you are a perfectly lovely person somewhere behind all the guns and rottweillers...
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Taken from Calvin's supoena:
SCHEDULE A
I) All access logs from the website www.BlackSDA.com, which is registered to and operated by you, for all threads related to 3ABN (Three Angels Broadcasting, Inc.)
2) All identifying information, including registration information and IP addresses for the following posters to the website www.BlackSDA.com:
Erik
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
LaurenceD
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Sonshineonme
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Observer
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Pickle
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
justice4jesus
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Sister
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Richard Sherwin
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
ex3ABNemployec
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Snoopy
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
Johann
An Unauthorized History of 3ABN continues
Fran
The Lawsuit Continues
Lurker
Jim Gilley Takes Over As President
Princessdi
Rumors, Lies & False Accusations Travel with Joy
3) All e-mails, letters or other documents sent to you by any of the following individuals or sent by you to any of the following individuals:
Gailon Arthur Joy
Robert Pickle
Linda Shelton
Darryl Fawcett
Johann Thorvaldsson
4) All e-mails, letters or other documents sent to you by any of the following posters to the website www.BlackSDA.com or sent by you to any of the following posters to the website www.BlackSDA.com:
Erik
LaurenceD
sonshineonme
Observer
Pickle
justice4jesus
sister
Richard Sherwin
ex3ABNemployee
Snoopy
Johann
Fran
lurker
princessdi
that mention, discuss, refer or relate to Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc., Danny Shelton, Tommy Shelton, Linda Shelton, the lawsuit Three Angels Broadcasting, Inc. and Danny Lee Shelton v. Gallon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle (District of Massachusetts), the bankruptcy of Gailon Arthur Joy (District of Massachusetts), the dissolution of the marriage of Danny Lee and Linda Shelton, the 3ABN discussion forum on the BIackSDA.com website, or any of the 3ABN discussion threads on the BlackSDA.com website, or that mention, discuss, refer or relate to the identity of the above-listed posters.
And just remember, they have to copy us!!! Don't be surprised if they try to call it confidential!!!
Got to run the tab somehow.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I did copy it from Daryl's post at the top of this page, which has the attachment with the pdf file copy of Calvin's subpoena.
However, you must be logged in to see the attachment and be able to download it.
Artiste, my suggestion was to add live links to the sample posts, to make it more convenient for surfers who pass through to see what those posts are. It might be revealing for them.
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The 3ABN forum at BSDA is closed again as far as any new posting goes with the following reason given at the top of that forum and its topics:
At the advice of my counsel the 3ABN section is closed while litigation is proceeding against me and BlackSDA. Please check the “Calvin’s Corner” section near the top of the main index page for any updates on the litigation.
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I did copy it from Daryl's post at the top of this page, which has the attachment with the pdf file copy of Calvin's subpoena.
However, you must be logged in to see the attachment and be able to download it.
Artiste, my suggestion was to add live links to the sample posts, to make it more convenient for surfers who pass through to see what those posts are. It might be revealing for them.
I'm not sure which posts you mean, Inga. Also, on BSDA, something about my computer program prevented me from adding live links--I'm afraid I'm not that computer-savvy! :)
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Calvin at http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=21263&view=findpost&p=241667 (http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=21263&view=findpost&p=241667) has stated:
"The subpoena commanding me to be deposed and provide information on BSDA members scheduled for tomorrow (3/20/08) has been cancelled. The subpoena delivered to me last week was invalid. This was a bit of lawyering on their part. If I had been willing to provide this information without them making the proper filings in Nebraska, all the better and cheaper for them. I am still committed to resisting any valid subpoena when or if one is delivered."
Strange, isn't it? Jerrie Hayes has repeatedly mentioned that I had served invalid subpoenas. Yet she had served an invalid subpoena?
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Calvin at http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=21263&view=findpost&p=241667 (http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=21263&view=findpost&p=241667) has stated:
"The subpoena commanding me to be deposed and provide information on BSDA members scheduled for tomorrow (3/20/08) has been cancelled. The subpoena delivered to me last week was invalid. This was a bit of lawyering on their part. If I had been willing to provide this information without them making the proper filings in Nebraska, all the better and cheaper for them. I am still committed to resisting any valid subpoena when or if one is delivered."
Strange, isn't it? Jerrie Hayes has repeatedly mentioned that I had served invalid subpoenas. Yet she had served an invalid subpoena?
And she is not even pro se...unbelievable what lawyers can get away with if someone isn't watching.
Wonder who gets to pay for that error??? Be sure to let McNeilus know so he can contest the bill next month.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Since Jerrie got the judge to tell us in December that we can't contact folks like Garwin, how am I supposed to let him know?
Gailon, any other parts of the bill you think he could contest?
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Since Jerrie got the judge to tell us in December that we can't contact folks like Garwin, how am I supposed to let him know?
Gailon, any other parts of the bill you think he could contest?
The whole thing each and every month!!! Get Danny to pay!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Since the subpoena issued on behalf of 3ABN and Danny Shelton seeks identifying information for a number of individuals, we are posting this here so that those individuals can know a little bit about what is going on.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Subpoena to Calvin Eakins
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 19:37:12 -0500
From: Bob
To: Jerrie Hayes
CC: G. Arthur Joy
Ms. Hayes:
We were looking at the local rules for the District of Nebraska and took note of Local Rule 45.1. It is quite explicit:
"No subpoenas for production or inspection may be issued for service on a nonparty without giving the adverse party at least ten (10) business days notice before the subpoena will be issued. The notice shall state the name and address of the nonparty who will be subpoenaed, the documents or items to be produced or inspected, the time and place for production or inspection, and the date on which the subpoena will be issued."
It thus appears that the subpoena I received in the mail today which you issued on March 17, 2007, to Calvin Eakins of BlackSDA.com (http://BlackSDA.com) is again invalid, since we did not receive the required ten-business-day notice before it was issued. We would therefore request that you withdraw the subpoena and give us the required notice.
Thank you so much.
Bob Pickle, pro se
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Interesting. Does anyone know if BlueHost complied with a defective subpeona? Also, does a subpeona have to be signed by the court?
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Atty. Pickle:
My question is also about the BlueHost subpoena. Or are you following that one?
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J.R., I'm sure you are a perfectly lovely person somewhere behind all the guns and rottweillers...
"Lovely?".....UG Artiste.....your spoiling my hard earned persona!
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J.R., I'm sure you are a perfectly lovely person somewhere behind all the guns and rottweillers...
"Lovely?".....UG Artiste.....your spoiling my hard earned persona!
But don't you spoil it even more with that terrible cap on your cat?
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Atty. Pickle:
My question is also about the BlueHost subpoena. Or are you following that one?
It might be better to avoid calling me "Atty." since I am not one, and since Danny Shelton more than one year ago accused me on a globally televised broadcast of posing as a doctor. We should avoid wherever possible of giving him the smallest grounds for what I believe are baseless accusations.
In answer to Snoopy's questions, BlueHost did comply. Subpoenas must be signed by the court clerk, or by an attorney who can sign as an officer of the court, according to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 45(a)(3) (http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule45.htm#Rule45_a_):
(3) Issued by Whom.
The clerk must issue a subpoena, signed but otherwise in blank, to a party who requests it. That party must complete it before service. An attorney also may issue and sign a subpoena as an officer of:
(A) a court in which the attorney is authorized to practice; or
(B) a court for a district where a deposition is to be taken or production is to be made, if the attorney is authorized to practice in the court where the action is pending.
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So, BlueHost complied with an invalid subpeona? Hhmm. Is is safe to draw a conclusion from that about the competency of their legal department and their loyalty to their customers? I even tried to draw their attention to it in an email I sent to abuse@bluehost.com on March 14:
"I've also reviewed the subpoena you received for the AdventTalk website and am curious as to the absence of a referenced case # for the underlying lawsuit. I find no record of that lawsuit in the U.S. District Court of Utah between the parties named on your subpoena."
I guess I'm not impressed!!
Snoopy
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No webhost is perfect. I've used other ones, and personally, I wouldn't want to trade, even though I think they made a mistake on this one.
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Note to all: Reference to "Atty. Pickle" is a JOKE. (But also a comment on his knowledge and perspicacity.)
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Note to all: Reference to "Atty. Pickle" is a JOKE. (But also a comment on his knowledge and perspicacity.)
And, it's a sad day when we can't even joke, but yes. Each needs to be wary that DS/3abn are not given any material that can be taken out of context and quoted as fact. Rather amazing the way things can be changed to reflect what people WANT to use against a person, rather than using it in the same context that it was originally used/intended. :o
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J.R., I'm sure you are a perfectly lovely person somewhere behind all the guns and rottweillers...
"Lovely?".....UG Artiste.....your spoiling my hard earned persona!
But don't you spoil it even more with that terrible cap on your cat?
That poor little kitty-kat looks like he'd be a little darling, if he didn't have that horrible hat on! :cat:
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J.R., I'm sure you are a perfectly lovely person somewhere behind all the guns and rottweillers...
"Lovely?".....UG Artiste.....your spoiling my hard earned persona!
:ROFL:
I believe Artiste is "right on," though I might not have used the same words. :thumbsup:
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That "poor kitty" is a War Cat....ergo his little green kevlar helmet ;)
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That "poor kitty" is a War Cat....ergo his little green kevlar helmet ;)
I won't show my ignorance by asking what a 'kevlar helmet' is! Remember, different people in different countries, use different terminology! :scratch:
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That "poor kitty" is a War Cat....ergo his little green kevlar helmet ;)
I won't show my ignorance by asking what a 'kevlar helmet' is! Remember, different people in different countries, use different terminology! :scratch:
:) Kevlar is a fibre created by DuPont. It is used to make body armor and peaceful items like car break shoes, tires, roofing, drum heads, stereo speakers, and boat hulls.
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That "poor kitty" is a War Cat....ergo his little green kevlar helmet ;)
I won't show my ignorance by asking what a 'kevlar helmet' is! Remember, different people in different countries, use different terminology! :scratch:
:) Kevlar is a fibre created by DuPont. It is used to make body armor and peaceful items like car break shoes, tires, roofing, drum heads, stereo speakers, and boat hulls.
Thanks for explaining that. I'd never heard of that before.
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I received a letter from Attorney Hayes yesterday. She has withdrawn the subpoena to Calvin and has given us 10-business-day notice prior to again issuing a subpoena on April 7.
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This applies to Black SDA and not to Advent Talk. . . AT is under the Subpoena?
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I received a letter from Attorney Hayes yesterday. She has withdrawn the subpoena to Calvin and has given us 10-business-day notice prior to again issuing a subpoena on April 7.
She is going to reissue the subpoena to BSDA...any word as to the subpoena to BlueHost?
Are you and Gailon only following the BSDA subpoena?
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More later.
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More later.
Well that was a non-answer, Bob!
Thanks for all the information! :)
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More later.
Well that was a non-answer, Bob!
Thanks for all the information! :)
Battle tactics are not normally fully disclosed on forums. Patience, my dear.
GAJ
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Patience...well...we'll try...
But the battle tactics sound exciting!
Can't wait!
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Patience...well...we'll try...
But the battle tactics sound exciting!
Can't wait!
Same here but I guess 'curiosity killed the cat'. :cat: Gotta just wait. ;D
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Gailon is correct! We have to keep our aces in the hole for court.
Last week, we received some text messages from someone who called themselves, Deep Throat. (No originality for sure!)
They sent 12-14 text messages. We text'd back.
This person knew who was on the Internet inside my house and named them. He was right! They told us the house was being watched. I saved the dialog and called the Sheriff. They came out and made a report. I told them about the 3ABN case and that I was afraid for my safety. They are making a point to watch our house too.
I understand the IRS can provide me special protection. We will have to see what happens. For maybe 4 nights we have heard someone outside. The neighborhood dogs go really wild. All of our windows are covered now. The exit from my office had only decorative window covering. Now we cover it with a blanket and the kitchen window with foil. It has been quiet for the most part for two nights.
I have motion detector lights. Motion outside turns the lights on. For a few nights it was off and on all night. Through all of this I believe the Lord is with us.
I wasn't going to say anything to tip off anyone that I knew, but tonight I got to thinking; the more people that know, the safer I am! So here you have it.
My opinion is much stronger that it is high time I told all my neighbors too. They have a right to know. They could accidentally get hurt.
I laughed at Appletree's description of the IRS audit. I was the accountant for a gentleman that owned 8 businesses. I did the accounting for all of his 8 companies, plus his son's insurance company. When I interviewed I made it clear that anything I touched had to be on the up and up. There would be no double sets of books. Truth and truth only! I told him I would never work on Sabbath. I saw his books (Manual) and got the shock of a lifetime. It was crazy! I then told him I was tempted to take the job for the shear challenge, but I felt this was not the place the Lord wanted me to be. I would require too many changes. He was relentless and refused to take no for an answer. He took me to lunch and explained his situation.
He had just been audited and had to pay a very, very large sum of money. He did not like giving money to the IRS, period! He fired his accountant because he was ripping him off. So I started and did I work! When I completed the changes in current procedures, I started the previous year to see if the IRS gave him credit for things the previous accountant had failed to deduct. I was preparing a corrected tax return when in walked the IRS with Criminologist Auditors from the IRS. There was no notice. The auditors also carried guns.
They took zero documents. They did the work right there with me. I had been able to find enough missed deductions to offset the income not declared! The second day I had to ask them to leave their guns in the car. I promised not to hurt them. All went very well. The end result was a $500.00 payment due. My boss was so excited, he took me to dinner everyday for almost a month! I mean good out to eat. Plus I got a very large bonus. They did almost a 100% audit! They left no stone unturned. Since I had fixed everything properly, everything was right at hand. I have been though many audits, but one is the most memorable.
The rest of the audits I have been involved in took place on site in a conference room with printers, fax machines, telephones and conference tables to spread out computers and documents. No document left the building. It is when the documents are going to be used in court that are they taken from the premises. They take what they can to make sure documents are not tampered with.
We know it is common knowledge that Danny is proficient at falsifying documents. (1. The cash donations receipts for the horse. 2. The doctoring of Nick Miller's billing documents 3. My tax deductible receipt for making a purchase-signed by Danny and Larry D. Ewing.)
So here we stand, together, for what is true and of good report! We DO NOT stand alone. God is on our side.
I have to teach tomorrow, so I need to get in bed. Good night to all.
Let's all plan to do lunch at a local salad bar somewhere around the court! We have so much to share with each other!
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Gailon is correct! We have to keep our aces in the hole for court.
Last week, we received some text messages from someone who called themselves, Deep Throat. (No originality for sure!)
They sent 12-14 text messages. We text'd back.
This person knew who was on the Internet inside my house and named them. He was right! They told us the house was being watched. I saved the dialog and called the Sheriff. They came out and made a report. I told them about the 3ABN case and that I was afraid for my safety. They are making a point to watch our house too.
I understand the IRS can provide me special protection. We will have to see what happens. For maybe 4 nights we have heard someone outside. The neighborhood dogs go really wild. All of our windows are covered now. The exit from my office had only decorative window covering. Now we cover it with a blanket and the kitchen window with foil. It has been quiet for the most part for two nights.
I have motion detector lights. Motion outside turns the lights on. For a few nights it was off and on all night. Through all of this I believe the Lord is with us.
I wasn't going to say anything to tip off anyone that I knew, but tonight I got to thinking; the more people that know, the safer I am! So here you have it.
My opinion is much stronger that it is high time I told all my neighbors too. They have a right to know. They could accidentally get hurt.
I laughed at Appletree's description of the IRS audit. I was the accountant for a gentleman that owned 8 businesses. I did the accounting for all of his 8 companies, plus his son's insurance company. When I interviewed I made it clear that anything I touched had to be on the up and up. There would be no double sets of books. Truth and truth only! I told him I would never work on Sabbath. I saw his books (Manual) and got the shock of a lifetime. It was crazy! I then told him I was tempted to take the job for the shear challenge, but I felt this was not the place the Lord wanted me to be. I would require too many changes. He was relentless and refused to take no for an answer. He took me to lunch and explained his situation.
He had just been audited and had to pay a very, very large sum of money. He did not like giving money to the IRS, period! He fired his accountant because he was ripping him off. So I started and did I work! When I completed the changes in current procedures, I started the previous year to see if the IRS gave him credit for things the previous accountant had failed to deduct. I was preparing a corrected tax return when in walked the IRS with Criminologist Auditors from the IRS. There was no notice. The auditors also carried guns.
They took zero documents. They did the work right there with me. I had been able to find enough missed deductions to offset the income not declared! The second day I had to ask them to leave their guns in the car. I promised not to hurt them. All went very well. The end result was a $500.00 payment due. My boss was so excited, he took me to dinner everyday for almost a month! I mean good out to eat. Plus I got a very large bonus. They did almost a 100% audit! They left no stone unturned. Since I had fixed everything properly, everything was right at hand. I have been though many audits, but one is the most memorable.
The rest of the audits I have been involved in took place on site in a conference room with printers, fax machines, telephones and conference tables to spread out computers and documents. No document left the building. It is when the documents are going to be used in court that are they taken from the premises. They take what they can to make sure documents are not tampered with.
We know it is common knowledge that Danny is proficient at falsifying documents. (1. The cash donations receipts for the horse. 2. The doctoring of Nick Miller's billing documents 3. My tax deductible receipt for making a purchase-signed by Danny and Larry D. Ewing.)
So here we stand, together, for what is true and of good report! We DO NOT stand alone. God is on our side.
I have to teach tomorrow, so I need to get in bed. Good night to all.
Let's all plan to do lunch at a local salad bar somewhere around the court! We have so much to share with each other!
Fran, yes. The stakes are high and I believe that you have greater certainty of security by laying it all out to the public. I believe that is the only reason that I am still alive. One doesn't want to have people thinking they have taken leave of their senses, but believe me, there is a pattern to the way these creeps act. And... you need to have the highest level of protection you can get. Apart from God's protection, your next highest protection is in making it all public.
These people have so much they want to keep covered up that they'll do anything to STOP you. Good that your neighbours are aware too.
I am sure that MOST people in this Forum will join me in continually covering you in prayer.
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Wow, Fran. You lucky girl. I never get text messages from Deep Throat! I'm jealous.
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Wow, Fran. You lucky girl. I never get text messages from Deep Throat! I'm jealous.
:ROFL:
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Gailon is correct! We have to keep our aces in the hole for court.
Last week, we received some text messages from someone who called themselves, Deep Throat. (No originality for sure!)
They sent 12-14 text messages. We text'd back.
This person knew who was on the Internet inside my house and named them. He was right! They told us the house was being watched. I saved the dialog and called the Sheriff. They came out and made a report. I told them about the 3ABN case and that I was afraid for my safety. They are making a point to watch our house too.
I understand the IRS can provide me special protection. We will have to see what happens. For maybe 4 nights we have heard someone outside. The neighborhood dogs go really wild. All of our windows are covered now. The exit from my office had only decorative window covering. Now we cover it with a blanket and the kitchen window with foil. It has been quiet for the most part for two nights.
I have motion detector lights. Motion outside turns the lights on. For a few nights it was off and on all night. Through all of this I believe the Lord is with us.
I wasn't going to say anything to tip off anyone that I knew, but tonight I got to thinking; the more people that know, the safer I am! So here you have it.
My opinion is much stronger that it is high time I told all my neighbors too. They have a right to know. They could accidentally get hurt.
I laughed at Appletree's description of the IRS audit. I was the accountant for a gentleman that owned 8 businesses. I did the accounting for all of his 8 companies, plus his son's insurance company. When I interviewed I made it clear that anything I touched had to be on the up and up. There would be no double sets of books. Truth and truth only! I told him I would never work on Sabbath. I saw his books (Manual) and got the shock of a lifetime. It was crazy! I then told him I was tempted to take the job for the shear challenge, but I felt this was not the place the Lord wanted me to be. I would require too many changes. He was relentless and refused to take no for an answer. He took me to lunch and explained his situation.
He had just been audited and had to pay a very, very large sum of money. He did not like giving money to the IRS, period! He fired his accountant because he was ripping him off. So I started and did I work! When I completed the changes in current procedures, I started the previous year to see if the IRS gave him credit for things the previous accountant had failed to deduct. I was preparing a corrected tax return when in walked the IRS with Criminologist Auditors from the IRS. There was no notice. The auditors also carried guns.
They took zero documents. They did the work right there with me. I had been able to find enough missed deductions to offset the income not declared! The second day I had to ask them to leave their guns in the car. I promised not to hurt them. All went very well. The end result was a $500.00 payment due. My boss was so excited, he took me to dinner everyday for almost a month! I mean good out to eat. Plus I got a very large bonus. They did almost a 100% audit! They left no stone unturned. Since I had fixed everything properly, everything was right at hand. I have been though many audits, but one is the most memorable.
The rest of the audits I have been involved in took place on site in a conference room with printers, fax machines, telephones and conference tables to spread out computers and documents. No document left the building. It is when the documents are going to be used in court that are they taken from the premises. They take what they can to make sure documents are not tampered with.
We know it is common knowledge that Danny is proficient at falsifying documents. (1. The cash donations receipts for the horse. 2. The doctoring of Nick Miller's billing documents 3. My tax deductible receipt for making a purchase-signed by Danny and Larry D. Ewing.)
So here we stand, together, for what is true and of good report! We DO NOT stand alone. God is on our side.
I have to teach tomorrow, so I need to get in bed. Good night to all.
Let's all plan to do lunch at a local salad bar somewhere around the court! We have so much to share with each other!
Not a bad account considering what Appletree has said about you.
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Patience...well...we'll try...
But the battle tactics sound exciting!
Can't wait!
Why don't you contact Jerrie Hayes and ask her to make you a defendant? Then you can be in on more of the strategy sessions!
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Patience...well...we'll try...
But the battle tactics sound exciting!
Can't wait!
Why don't you contact Jerrie Hayes and ask her to make you a defendant? Then you can be in on more of the strategy sessions!
Is it all that easy? ???
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her phone number is on the subpoena
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her phone number is on the subpoena
I didn't get a subpoena! ...oh, wait, is there one posted online?
Does she just list you as a defendant if you ask her to... :o
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Gailon is correct! We have to keep our aces in the hole for court.
Last week, we received some text messages from someone who called themselves, Deep Throat. (No originality for sure!)
They sent 12-14 text messages. We text'd back.
This person knew who was on the Internet inside my house and named them. He was right! They told us the house was being watched. I saved the dialog and called the Sheriff. They came out and made a report. I told them about the 3ABN case and that I was afraid for my safety. They are making a point to watch our house too.
I understand the IRS can provide me special protection. We will have to see what happens. For maybe 4 nights we have heard someone outside. The neighborhood dogs go really wild. All of our windows are covered now. The exit from my office had only decorative window covering. Now we cover it with a blanket and the kitchen window with foil. It has been quiet for the most part for two nights.
I have motion detector lights. Motion outside turns the lights on. For a few nights it was off and on all night. Through all of this I believe the Lord is with us.
I wasn't going to say anything to tip off anyone that I knew, but tonight I got to thinking; the more people that know, the safer I am! So here you have it.
My opinion is much stronger that it is high time I told all my neighbors too. They have a right to know. They could accidentally get hurt.
I laughed at Appletree's description of the IRS audit. I was the accountant for a gentleman that owned 8 businesses. I did the accounting for all of his 8 companies, plus his son's insurance company. When I interviewed I made it clear that anything I touched had to be on the up and up. There would be no double sets of books. Truth and truth only! I told him I would never work on Sabbath. I saw his books (Manual) and got the shock of a lifetime. It was crazy! I then told him I was tempted to take the job for the shear challenge, but I felt this was not the place the Lord wanted me to be. I would require too many changes. He was relentless and refused to take no for an answer. He took me to lunch and explained his situation.
He had just been audited and had to pay a very, very large sum of money. He did not like giving money to the IRS, period! He fired his accountant because he was ripping him off. So I started and did I work! When I completed the changes in current procedures, I started the previous year to see if the IRS gave him credit for things the previous accountant had failed to deduct. I was preparing a corrected tax return when in walked the IRS with Criminologist Auditors from the IRS. There was no notice. The auditors also carried guns.
They took zero documents. They did the work right there with me. I had been able to find enough missed deductions to offset the income not declared! The second day I had to ask them to leave their guns in the car. I promised not to hurt them. All went very well. The end result was a $500.00 payment due. My boss was so excited, he took me to dinner everyday for almost a month! I mean good out to eat. Plus I got a very large bonus. They did almost a 100% audit! They left no stone unturned. Since I had fixed everything properly, everything was right at hand. I have been though many audits, but one is the most memorable.
The rest of the audits I have been involved in took place on site in a conference room with printers, fax machines, telephones and conference tables to spread out computers and documents. No document left the building. It is when the documents are going to be used in court that are they taken from the premises. They take what they can to make sure documents are not tampered with.
We know it is common knowledge that Danny is proficient at falsifying documents. (1. The cash donations receipts for the horse. 2. The doctoring of Nick Miller's billing documents 3. My tax deductible receipt for making a purchase-signed by Danny and Larry D. Ewing.)
So here we stand, together, for what is true and of good report! We DO NOT stand alone. God is on our side.
I have to teach tomorrow, so I need to get in bed. Good night to all.
Let's all plan to do lunch at a local salad bar somewhere around the court! We have so much to share with each other!
Now that is my kind of woman!!! A person that is fearless and determined and knows how to take that all important public stand. I guarantee you we will not need a subpoena to get Fran to the witness chair!!! Look in the mirror and ask yourself if we can assume the same about you???
This story just causes my spine to tingle just knowing that are those out there that have this kind of backbone and integrity!!!
Cannot wait to get her evidence into the record. You know... it is part of that "preponderence of the evidence" that builds one stone upon another until
you have an entire wall for the jury to see and there is a message on that wall.....
Mene, Mene, Tekal, Upharson!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Gailon is correct! We have to keep our aces in the hole for court.
Last week, we received some text messages from someone who called themselves, Deep Throat. (No originality for sure!)
They sent 12-14 text messages. We text'd back.
This person knew who was on the Internet inside my house and named them. He was right! They told us the house was being watched. I saved the dialog and called the Sheriff. They came out and made a report. I told them about the 3ABN case and that I was afraid for my safety. They are making a point to watch our house too.
I understand the IRS can provide me special protection. We will have to see what happens. For maybe 4 nights we have heard someone outside. The neighborhood dogs go really wild. All of our windows are covered now. The exit from my office had only decorative window covering. Now we cover it with a blanket and the kitchen window with foil. It has been quiet for the most part for two nights.
I have motion detector lights. Motion outside turns the lights on. For a few nights it was off and on all night. Through all of this I believe the Lord is with us.
I wasn't going to say anything to tip off anyone that I knew, but tonight I got to thinking; the more people that know, the safer I am! So here you have it.
My opinion is much stronger that it is high time I told all my neighbors too. They have a right to know. They could accidentally get hurt.
I laughed at Appletree's description of the IRS audit. I was the accountant for a gentleman that owned 8 businesses. I did the accounting for all of his 8 companies, plus his son's insurance company. When I interviewed I made it clear that anything I touched had to be on the up and up. There would be no double sets of books. Truth and truth only! I told him I would never work on Sabbath. I saw his books (Manual) and got the shock of a lifetime. It was crazy! I then told him I was tempted to take the job for the shear challenge, but I felt this was not the place the Lord wanted me to be. I would require too many changes. He was relentless and refused to take no for an answer. He took me to lunch and explained his situation.
He had just been audited and had to pay a very, very large sum of money. He did not like giving money to the IRS, period! He fired his accountant because he was ripping him off. So I started and did I work! When I completed the changes in current procedures, I started the previous year to see if the IRS gave him credit for things the previous accountant had failed to deduct. I was preparing a corrected tax return when in walked the IRS with Criminologist Auditors from the IRS. There was no notice. The auditors also carried guns.
They took zero documents. They did the work right there with me. I had been able to find enough missed deductions to offset the income not declared! The second day I had to ask them to leave their guns in the car. I promised not to hurt them. All went very well. The end result was a $500.00 payment due. My boss was so excited, he took me to dinner everyday for almost a month! I mean good out to eat. Plus I got a very large bonus. They did almost a 100% audit! They left no stone unturned. Since I had fixed everything properly, everything was right at hand. I have been though many audits, but one is the most memorable.
The rest of the audits I have been involved in took place on site in a conference room with printers, fax machines, telephones and conference tables to spread out computers and documents. No document left the building. It is when the documents are going to be used in court that are they taken from the premises. They take what they can to make sure documents are not tampered with.
We know it is common knowledge that Danny is proficient at falsifying documents. (1. The cash donations receipts for the horse. 2. The doctoring of Nick Miller's billing documents 3. My tax deductible receipt for making a purchase-signed by Danny and Larry D. Ewing.)
So here we stand, together, for what is true and of good report! We DO NOT stand alone. God is on our side.
I have to teach tomorrow, so I need to get in bed. Good night to all.
Let's all plan to do lunch at a local salad bar somewhere around the court! We have so much to share with each other!
Good for you, Fran! I'm glad you came forward with this. It shows you are not a coward, much unlike the person who contacted you.
I believe the handwriting is on the wall for the wrongdoers, and I also believe that they know it. You can sense the fear and anger in everything they do anymore. How sad that this could have all been avoided.
Keep up the good work, Fran.
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Yes, good for you, Fran! I am praying for your health and safety. And I can't wait to lunch with you!!!