Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: ex3abnemployee on July 24, 2010, 05:06:45 PM
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http://www.thehopeofsurvivors.com/pdf_files/Concert_PR2010.pdf
Several comments come to mind, but I'll hold onto them to give this time to sink in. ???
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Sooo... Alex? You going to submit an application? Perhaps you will go to the concert?
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Makes me wonder what their (3ABN) motive is for this program at this time. Can't trust a snake in the grass. ::)
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I would say this was a "boa constrictor" in the grass. What a crock of something and it's not butter :dunno:
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Well, to be fair, it looks like it's not actually hosted by 3ABN, but it IS at their church. I can only hope this was booked WAY in advance and has nothing to do with recent happenings.
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Wwhhhhhaaaattt !!! You can't be serious! Am I thinking right that they want to take up money for the victims that outsiders pay so that 3abn don't have too? Somebody set me straight so I do not misunderstand. or will they manage to claim and keep all expenses of proceeds for musicians, gas, and all their expenses too. Sounds like they all live in Stupidville.
edited for extra thought and unbelief of this.
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A great idea.....interesting timing
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I suggest that Duane, Roger, Greg, Alex, Brad, and the rest take the press release at face value and contact Samantha and offer to share their testimonies. Whether or not there is time in the program to share their testimonies, they certainly could mingle with the folks who came and talk with them. If news reporters show up, they could talk with them.
It probably isn't too late to get T-shirts made up for the occasion. You guys would know better than me what to put on them if such an idea is appropriate. ("I Survived Pastoral Abuse" on one side, and Tommy's mug shot behind bars on the other?)
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I am struck by the fact that they have ignored the MOAT on their own eye and want Samantha to deal with the "other purversions". How much better that 3ABN had taken the lead in this issue and been pro-active so many years ago offering some resolution for all the victims of Tommy Ray Shelton's years of operation, before and after 3ABN employment.
But, once again, the moment to deal with it has long since past and it now sits as just another stain upon a very blemished ministry!!!
May the Lord have mercy upon their hypocrisy!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I suggest that Duane, Roger, Greg, Alex, Brad, and the rest take the press release at face value and contact Samantha and offer to share their testimonies. Whether or not there is time in the program to share their testimonies, they certainly could mingle with the folks who came and talk with them. If news reporters show up, they could talk with them.
It probably isn't too late to get T-shirts made up for the occasion. You guys would know better than me what to put on them if such an idea is appropriate. ("I Survived Pastoral Abuse" on one side, and Tommy's mug shot behind bars on the other?)
No thanks.
Their website says they encourage seeking a professional counselor. Because of this, they have no credibility.
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It probably isn't too late to get T-shirts made up for the occasion. You guys would know better than me what to put on them if such an idea is appropriate. ("I Survived Pastoral Abuse" on one side, and Tommy's mug shot behind bars on the other?)
:ROFL:
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http://www.thehopeofsurvivors.com/about_us.asp (http://www.thehopeofsurvivors.com/about_us.asp)
I think it should be noted that the makeup of their board has changed dramatically. In 2007 six of the directors were either 3ABN employees or their spouses. Not no more. I don't see even one 3ABN employee or spouse in the list.
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Strange that this concert is held at 3ABN just as the case of Tommy Shelton is pending.
Also interesting that the announcements states the offering will benefit the society. Does that include victims?
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Yet another interesting point is that it appears nowhere on 3ABN's site. At least I didn't see it.
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Ironic to say the least. One must wonder, why now? Has 3ABN finally came to their senses? And realized that employing and defending an admitted sex pervert is wrong? Not only that, but allowing him on their children programs!!!!!Or is this Danny's way of throwing Tommy under the bus?
Odd to say the least.
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Well, this sounds more plausible. Interesting timing, indeed.
Well, to be fair, it looks like it's not actually hosted by 3ABN, but it IS at their church. I can only hope this was booked WAY in advance and has nothing to do with recent happenings.
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REMEMBER: If you don't agree with Gailon, then you are in danger of being labeled a SDAINO..
So be aware...
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Well, Horsethief, Thank-you for that wonderful introduction. It has been a long time since my last appearance here and I am so enjoying the challenge of debating significant issues so important to our future as Seventh-day Adventists.
But let me clarify that one does not have to agree with anything I do, say or perpetuate...however, I will restate, for the record, it is my unqualified belief that those who do not beleive in the 27 Fundemental Beliefs cannot possibly meet the definition of being a Seventh-day Adventist even if they claim to be Seventh-day Adventists and hold church membership, but indeed may be Seventh-day Adventists In Name Only (SdAINO).
Unfortunately, not everyone who believes in or professes a Belief in the Fundemental Beliefs are guaranteed a place at the Right Hand of the Lamb. Interesting dillema, or is it dichotomy???
Now that will evoke a substantial debate by the various elements of church members everywhere, and I welcome the vigorous discussion.
Now, back to the topic....has anyone requested help from this group for the victims of Tommy Ray Shelton yet? Maybe they will help with the legal fees or provide counseling for some of the "left behind" victims of TRS there in Southern Illinois.
About time someone in the Illinois Conference stepped forward and did something, but then again, maybe the conference president still does not beleive the victims. By the way, anyone get Dr Thompson's latest take on this? Anyman, Cindy, anyone????
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Well said Gailon... I think we agree more than we disagree.
But it's sad to say that the people who continue to stick with Danny Shelton are a part of a cult. That's not to say that there is no hope for them. But blind obeisance to a guy who has tried to subvert justice in a child molestation case should wake up even the hardest of sinners.
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Unfortunately, 3ABN, its officers and directors and the stockholders in the Pews have had more than enough proof of the various issues with the leadership of Danny Lee Shelton and clearly ignored every road sign in blind ignorance of obvious discrepancies.
The incredible story is that this ministry that is suppose to be the ministry that will counteract the counterfeit has been proven to be a counterfeit.
I will not bore you with the details of the various efforts we made to deal directly with Danny, then the directors, before we took the story to the "stockholders in the pews". We even tried hard to work out a "conciliation tribunal" that they would only do if it would whitewash the dirty undue process in their dealing with Linda Sue Shelton and they pulled out of this when we insisted on safety rules to guarantee a fair and reasonable hearing procedure. We had spent significant time preparing the case for the tribunal and they knew the evidence we had.
when we finally ent to the stockholders in the pews, the "cult members" you refer to elected civil authority and as the evidence mounted against them, quickly dismissed the case to prevent a trial on the merits that would expose it all on the court record for all to see and evaluate. WIMPS, every one of them!!! And they still run from the field of fair and equitable resolution of the issues.
Now, they have circled the wagons and still spend large sums to defend the annointed one from public scrutiny and church discipline.
Be assured the Lord will bring this miscreant to Justice in His good time and they will reap the whirlwind?
Linda has been exonerated despite their rebellion against the Law of God and properly constituted church authority. DLS continues to prove He believes he is above the Law of God and surrounds himself with others in rebellion as well. Time runs against them and God's justice will most assuredly be acheived...May God deal well with their rebellious souls.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter