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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Artiste on February 24, 2012, 10:00:45 PM
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Heading up the new 3ABN Dare to Dream urban network as of January 1, 2012, Yvonne Lewis expresses her excitement in this new venture.
“It seems that God is directing the focus of 3ABN and the church at large to meet the urban challenges. Inner city residents need the tools to address problems of poverty, crime, chronic disease, and the erosion of the family," Yvonne says.
She is making a transition to directing urban outreach from her former involvement for the last couple of decades with holistic health, women's issues and other interests such as auriculotherapy (a type of ear acupuncture).
Yvonne has a Doctor of Naturopathy degree from the Trinity College of Natural Health and is also a massage therapist.
Concomitantly, she is a vocalist who has recorded albums, jingles for commercials, and worked with well-known musicians, among them Whitney Houston. She has had vocal appearances on 3ABN since 2009.
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With the current rumors circulating about Danny Shelton's involvement with Yvonne Lewis, the question arises, exactly what is their relationship?
Given Danny Shelton's track record with women, it is a fair question.
There has been previous discussion of the fact that Danny and Yvonne listed the same home address, cell phone and email address for both of them in a U.S. Patent and Trademark application on February 7, 2011, which was a year ago.
And, as has also been discussed, they apparently attended Whitney Houston's funeral together in New Jersey.
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Since 3ABN has been emphasizing the close relationship it has with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, pointing to General Conference President Ted Wilson's recent broadcast on 3ABN and the upcoming appearance of Elder Dan Jackson, President of the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventists at the 3ABN Campmeeting, wouldn't Danny and Yvonne want to avoid an appearance of anything going on between them that might look suspect?
Yvonne would seem to agree with that. A 3ABN feature on Yvonne Lewis' new Urban Network notes that "sexual purity is a topic rarely addressed in today’s society, but Dare to Dream is not afraid to deal with it in a program called Pure Choices. 'We won’t be shying away from difficult topics,' Yvonne states."
We are waiting for an answer.
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Interesting how Danny goes to pay respects to Whitney Houston, an admitted drug user, yet shunned his stepson Nathan when he sought Danny for help in his attempts at recovery.
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It finally dawns on me who Yvonne is. I read her biography probably before the turn of the century. The title was YVONNE. I was very impressed with her after reading that book.
At the General Conference Session at St. Louis in 2005 she had a stand where I met her and talked to her. I recall that Linda Shelton talked with her for quite a while there. It seemed like they knew each other from before.
What confused me is that pictures of her in the 3ABN paper recently seemed like a different person. Appearances can change quite a bit in 5-6 years, especially if the weight changes.
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Brings back memories. . . and there I see Dr. Agathe Thrash whirling by in some kind of an electrical devise exhibiting a great smile.
In the outer halls I see Danny Shelton rushing towards me reaching out his hand for a shake. I did not stay long enough with him for a talk although his facial expression indicated he thought he'd gained the whole world.
We'd paid something like $10 at a nearby private parking area close to the halls where the session was going on. On our return there was a great man-made deep cut in the side of the left hand rear tire, which could have cost us our lives. Who would do such a thing? Police came and had their blue lights turned on protecting us from behind while changing the tire on a bridge in heavy traffic.It was the same car which Danny claimed had his name on the title. His memory wasn't perfect either.
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Interesting how Danny goes to pay respects to Whitney Houston, an admitted drug user, yet shunned his stepson Nathan when he sought Danny for help in his attempts at recovery.
This was one of the points we discussed on BSDA
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It finally dawns on me who Yvonne is. I read her biography probably before the turn of the century. The title was YVONNE. I was very impressed with her after reading that book.
The current book that her website promotes is a paperback titled "Great Days" which is about health and wellness.
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(Explanation from the other thread...)
There are two similar women named Yvonne Lewis on the internet. They are both African American. The other is a British singer, Yvonne John-Lewis, who also goes by John Lewis.
The 3ABN Yvonne Lewis, listed as "Yvonne Lewis, Dipl.O.M.,ND, Natural Health Author & Lecturer" on the website that promotes her latest book, also is a vocalist who has recorded and, her website claims, worked with famous musicians including Whitney Houston. You can see her photo on the website.
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Under the heading "Area singer bids farewell to Whitney Houston" in the DailyAmericanNews.com website, you can see an article which details extensively Yvonne Lewis' friendship with Whitney Houston's mother.
You can also view a photo of Yvonne and Danny together holding a gold record display with the paragraph underneath stating:Three Angels Broadcasting Network’s Yvonne Lewis and 3ABN founder Danny Shelton display the gold record of Whitney Houston’s self-titled debut album. Lewis sang background vocals on the best-selling album and both she and Shelton attended Houston’s funeral Sat.
The article also says,Shelton said at the funeral the bond shared between the two was evident.
"I noticed at the repass when we went back upstairs and (Cissy) saw her, she just said 'Yvonne, my girl,' and they embraced. It was really touching," said Shelton.
You can read the article and see the photo of them together, dressed casually and looking very happy at
http://www.dailyamericannews.com/features/x740685130/Area-singer-bids-farewell-to-Whitney-Houston
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Since 3ABN has been emphasizing the close relationship it has with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, pointing to General Conference President Ted Wilson's recent broadcast on 3ABN and the upcoming appearance of Elder Dan Jackson, President of the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventists at the 3ABN Campmeeting, wouldn't Danny and Yvonne want to avoid an appearance of anything going on between them that might look suspect?
Yvonne would seem to agree with that. A 3ABN feature on Yvonne Lewis' new Urban Network notes that "sexual purity is a topic rarely addressed in today’s society, but Dare to Dream is not afraid to deal with it in a program called Pure Choices. 'We won’t be shying away from difficult topics,' Yvonne states."
We are waiting for an answer.
I have personal experience with at least one GC employee getting extremely agitated over the topic of the 3ABN litigation. They are watching this very closely.
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Interesting, Snoopy.
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Given the article, photo, Yvonne's new elevated position at 3ABN, as well as the statement by Murcielago in the other thread:
I have reason to believe that Jackson is already aware of a romantic relationship there.
I don't understand why the 3ABN chief defender, on her website, said on January 9, 2012,
Let's see, is there any way to make this more simple for the simple-minded? -- Danny does not have a gf. GF stands for: girlfriend.
Would Yvonne Lewis take exception to that statement?
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Bob and Gailons litigation is over....has been for a while now, so why would they be watching it closesly?
And if you are speaking about my litigation why does th GC care? They are not named as defendants.
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You can read the article and see the photo of them together, dressed casually and looking very happy at
http://www.dailyamericannews.com/features/x740685130/Area-singer-bids-farewell-to-Whitney-Houston
The article says she's the general manager? When did that happen? Wasn't it Mollie?
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Bob and Gailons litigation is over....has been for a while now, so why would they be watching it closesly?
And if you are speaking about my litigation why does th GC care? They are not named as defendants.
Chuckling... Not even worth the time to try to answer that...
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In my few interactions with Yvonne I have found her to be a most charming, amiable and engaging woman. Were she a man of the late 18th century we might have equated her on many levels with Benjamin Franklin.
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In my few interactions with Yvonne I have found her to be a most charming, amiable and engaging woman. Were she a man of the late 18th century we might have equated her on many levels with Benjamin Franklin.
I agree to this from reading her book and then meeting her at her stand at the 2005 GC session - seven years ago.
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Then congratulate Danny, and stop criticizing! It seems if they are together he has found a great woman!
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Mollie was the General Manager, she is now the Vice President.
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Then congratulate Danny, and stop criticizing! It seems if they are together he has found a great woman!
I agree with you on this, Alex. We should not allow any undue criticism of Yvonne on this forum. If you see anyone doing this, let me know.
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I question Yvonne's judgement if she is romantically linked to a man who divorced his wife with no Biblical grounds then quickly linked up with a much younger woman.
For that matter, I question the judgement of anyone doing business or being employed at 3ABN.
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Horsethief, I cannot say I disagree, but Danny is single and can be with who he choses, as can Linda.
Note: I say this having seen absolutley NO evidence that Danny and Yvvonne are even together.
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Then congratulate Danny, and stop criticizing! It seems if they are together he has found a great woman!
I agree with you on this, Alex. We should not allow any undue criticism of Yvonne on this forum. If you see anyone doing this, let me know.
And I will no longer discuss the issue of Linda...my point has been made and there is no need for me to discuss it any farther.
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I also question the judgement of a person who has a romantic link to someone who tried to shield a child molestor from receiving justice. Don't tell me she wasn't aware of that.
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I question Yvonne's judgement if she is romantically linked to a man who divorced his wife with no Biblical grounds then quickly linked up with a much younger woman.
For that matter, I question the judgement of anyone doing business or being employed at 3ABN.
:goodpost: :TY:
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I agree, Snoopy.
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Then congratulate Danny, and stop criticizing! It seems if they are together he has found a great woman!
I agree with you on this, Alex. We should not allow any undue criticism of Yvonne on this forum. If you see anyone doing this, let me know.
And I will no longer discuss the issue of Linda...my point has been made and there is no need for me to discuss it any farther.
Great! And you did make a point, Alex...I'm just not sure it was the one you wanted to make... :dunno:
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I question Yvonne's judgement if she is romantically linked to a man who divorced his wife with no Biblical grounds then quickly linked up with a much younger woman.
Judgement: Regardless of the circumstances, people who lose a long-term spouse, whether through death or divorce, whether it was a divorce that was wanted or one that was not wanted often experience a level of stress that results in poor judgemets on their part. That stress can result in poor judgements related to marital partners--sometimes quick marriages and sometimes a rejection of marriage.
For Yovonne, the issue is not whether or not Danny made a poor decision related to Brandy. The issue for her is where she believes that Danny is now and whether or not Danny is ready for marriage, if that should be considered, and whether or not she is ready to enter into a marital relationship with a man who is the center of so much conflict.
As to Brandy: I doubt that she knew what she was getting into. In my opinion, the intensity of the situation that she found herself in was probably more than many women could tolerate. I have a lot of sympathy for Brandy.
I look at myself and realize that in a similar situation I could make poor decisions. I found myself divorced after almost 12 years of marriage. I did not re-marry for years. My present wife and I will soon be marriled for 27 years. If I were to lose her, I can well immagine that I might make some poor marital decisions. I do not think that I am beyond that. I have an understanding of where Danny may have been when he married Brandy.
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12 years + years + 27 years = lots of years.
Wow. I didn't realize that you were that seasoned, though I've always thought you were older than I.
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As to Brandy: I doubt that she knew what she was getting into. In my opinion, the intensity of the situation that she found herself in was probably more than many women could tolerate. I have a lot of sympathy for Brandy.
I agree. I met Brandy at 3ABN. She seemed like a very sweet girl, but so naive, so young.
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Snoopy, that reminded me something I was told by one of my family memebers whey they were dating.
They said they seen Danny and Brandy at the Benton Walmart. And that she was hanging all over him and kissing him all through the store.
Why would such a young lady have such an attraction to this man?
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Wow. I didn't realize that you were that seasoned, though I've always thought you were older than I.
When I wrote that, I realiazed that people would immediately begin to know my age. Well, I make no bones about how old I am. On my last birthday, I turned 71. I have a head of hair which is salt and pepper--the Loma Linda type of pepper. :) And I get up every working day, drive 40 miles to work at my full-time job, which officially begins at 6:30 AM--I usually arrive earlier than that.
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Wow. I didn't realize that you were that seasoned, though I've always thought you were older than I.
When I wrote that, I realiazed that people would immediately begin to know my age. Well, I make no bones about how old I am. On my last birthday, I turned 71. I have a head of hair which is salt and pepper--the Loma Linda type of pepper. :) And I get up every working day, drive 40 miles to work at my full-time job, which officially begins at 6:30 AM--I usually arrive earlier than that.
Good for you, Gregory!! I know I have seen you here at unusual hours. Must be that awesome Colorado air!!
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Still, as I have earlier stated. There is NO POSSIBILITY that Yvonne Lewis doesn't know that Danny Shelton tried to subvert justice in the case of Tommy Shelton for his molestations. I am sure Danny uses his descriptions of being persecuted for righteousness sake to try to justify himself and Tommy. But there is no way she could not be aware of any of this.
With that, her judgement has to be extremely poor and she must be very desperate if she marries Danny Shelton.
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Good for you, Gregory!! I know I have seen you here at unusual hours. Must be that awesome Colorado air!!
Thank you. Generally my health is quite good. My two main issues really are not that bad.
1) I have a sleep disorder that is relatively rare compared to a more common form with almost the same name. The result is that normal sleep for me get me up quite early.
2) In January they went inside one of my eyes with microscopic instruments and cut away a growth that was probably only one cell thick and attached to my retina. That proceedure was something else as I could see the instruments that were inside my eye and I could talk to the susrgical staff. My recovery is going great. Although it will be several months before that eye stabelizes and we know the extent of the restoration of eyesight in that eye. On the average, people who have that surgery revover 50% of the vision that they lost becasue of the growth.
You know, my family and I are really blessed to have the medical coverage that we have. Very few people can pay the costs of medical care without some kind of coverage.
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Any of you clinical types may click on the URL below to see a video of the type of surgery that I had on my eye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obtMJZTBNmQ
This type of condition has several different names. In the above URL it is called macular pucker. I prefer the name epiretinal membrane. It has some other names.
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"Like"!!!!!!!
You know I might even have tried to get her to speak for my Woemn's Day program in Oct. but her judgement in the two areas listed below will amke me stick to what I know in Dr. Mandy everytime. That and she might bring Danny with her....................I'll pass................
Also, I can see the connection as to why Yvonne would be at the funeral. Those are exactly the types of people that were invited as well as industry friends, etc. I'm jes wondering how Danny did with the services.....LOL!!! Definitely NOT 3ABN type of service.
I question Yvonne's judgement if she is romantically linked to a man who divorced his wife with no Biblical grounds then quickly linked up with a much younger woman.
I also question the judgement of a person who has a romantic link to someone who tried to shield a child molestor from receiving justice. Don't tell me she wasn't aware of that.
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:wave:
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"Like"!!!!!!!
You know I might even have tried to get her to speak for my Woemn's Day program in Oct. but her judgement in the two areas listed below will amke me stick to what I know in Dr. Mandy everytime. That and she might bring Danny with her....................I'll pass................
Also, I can see the connection as to why Yvonne would be at the funeral. Those are exactly the types of people that were invited as well as industry friends, etc. I'm jes wondering how Danny did with the services.....LOL!!! Definitely NOT 3ABN type of service.
LOL! I remember my first experience with that...in shock...but loved it!! - at your church, Di!!
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Any of you clinical types may click on the URL below to see a video of the type of surgery that I had on my eye.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obtMJZTBNmQ
This type of condition has several different names. In the above URL it is called macular pucker. I prefer the name epiretinal membrane. It has some other names.
We pray for continued progress.
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Ok?!! And believe or not ours was a relatively mild version SDA version.......LOL!!! I so loved "The Gathering"! I haven't had Dr. Mandy since, but trying to get her for Oct. this year, if possible.
LOL! I remember my first experience with that...in shock...but loved it!! - at your church, Di!!
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Since 3ABN has been emphasizing the close relationship it has with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, pointing to General Conference President Ted Wilson's recent broadcast on 3ABN and the upcoming appearance of Elder Dan Jackson, President of the North American Division of Seventh-day Adventists at the 3ABN Campmeeting, wouldn't Danny and Yvonne want to avoid an appearance of anything going on between them that might look suspect?
Yvonne would seem to agree with that. A 3ABN feature on Yvonne Lewis' new Urban Network notes that "sexual purity is a topic rarely addressed in today’s society, but Dare to Dream is not afraid to deal with it in a program called Pure Choices. 'We won’t be shying away from difficult topics,' Yvonne states."
We are waiting for an answer.
I have personal experience with at least one GC employee getting extremely agitated over the topic of the 3ABN litigation. They are watching this very closely.
Ooooh, how scary! How many more years are they going to "watch?" Are they going to do it in the same way where they watched two church members get sued by their brethren, against church policy, and yet did nothing?
Please spare us....
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In a Danish newspaper was a picture from the funeral, and someone asked me what Danny Shelton was doing there, because he was easily recognized. . . so some of these questions have become quite international.
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Ok?!! And believe or not ours was a relatively mild version SDA version.......LOL!!! I so loved "The Gathering"! I haven't had Dr. Mandy since, but trying to get her for Oct. this year, if possible.
LOL! I remember my first experience with that...in shock...but loved it!! - at your church, Di!!
What a phenomenal woman she is!!
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In a Danish newspaper was a picture from the funeral, and someone asked me what Danny Shelton was doing there, because he was easily recognized. . . so some of these questions have become quite international.
I got a viral email about it last week.
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In a Danish newspaper was a picture from the funeral, and someone asked me what Danny Shelton was doing there, because he was easily recognized. . . so some of these questions have become quite international.
Interesting, Johann!
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Amen!!
What a phenomenal woman she is!!
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Danny and Yvonne might be planning on a wedding during that cruise that 3abn is doing in June. We all know how Danny likes to be the center of attention in anything he's involved with.
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In my few interactions with Yvonne I have found her to be a most charming, amiable and engaging woman. Were she a man of the late 18th century we might have equated her on many levels with Benjamin Franklin.
I agree to this from reading her book and then meeting her at her stand at the 2005 GC session - seven years ago.
Suddenly I saw where I made a serious mistake. There are so many similarities between Ullanda and Yvonne. Both jingle singers, both had a gold record, both associated with Wintley Phipps, both been on 3ABN, both associated with healing or medicine. It was Ullanda's book I read, it was her I saw at GC in 2005, so I have never seen Yvonne. I apologize!
Ullanda Innocent-Palmer
Ullanda began her solo career at age 13 at the Jones Temple Church of God in Christ, Detroit, Michigan, which was founded by her grandfather, Bishop Alexander Jones. In 1975, Ullanda relocated to New York and sang with Ashford and Simpson, receiving a gold record for their hit song, “Solid As A Rock.” She also collaborated on other gold hits including “Sesame Street,” and Bill Whithers’ hit song, “Just the Two of Us.”
TV host, Joan Rivers, dubbed her, “Queen of Jingles,” for her thousands of commercials, including Coca Cola (“I’d Like to Teach the World to Sing”), and American Airlines (“Something Special in the Air”).
Her TV appearances included, The David Letterman Show, The Joan Rivers Show, Live with Regis and Kathy Lee, Saturday Night Live, and the Martin Luther King Special.
She has recorded with Tina Turner, Luther Vandross, Ray Charles, Quincy Jones, Patti La Belle, Diana Ross, Lionel Richie, Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby, Lucille Ball, Candice Bergen, Bette Midler, Englebert Humperdinck, James Taylor, Michael Bolton, Eddie Murphy, and Christian artists including Tremaine Hawkins, Wintley Phipps, Clifton Davis.
In 1985 Ullanda had a life-changing experience and was baptized as a member of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. A new song emerged in her heart. She hosted her own TV program aired on 3ABN for five years entitled, “It’s All About Love,” and has recorded four CDs of sacred music.
Her ministry has taken her to Malaysia, Indonesia, Brazil, France, Italy, Great Britain, India, Tanzania, Zambia, South Africa, the Philippines, Holland, Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Singapore, Australia, Guatemala, Panama, Cuba, and the Caribbean. She has also co-authored two books -- All That Glitters, and her autobiography, Something Special.
In 2002, she wedded cardiologist H. Schubert Palmer, M.D., author of the book God Must Be Crazy, and together Schubert and Ullanda have teamed up to form Heart & Soul Ministries, dedicated to sharing the good news of God’s amazing love.
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Then congratulate Danny, and stop criticizing! It seems if they are together he has found a great woman!
A great woman? Someone who works closely with a team of people who knowingly and actively sought to suppress accusations of child molestation has some serious ethical shortcomings...
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Yes I would say so too, I probably was the first on here to have something to say "in the manner of her dress" that displayed much. although some don't agree. but it was all displayed out and uncalled for, not even modest.
But then one can only imagine "Linda looking like that ..in that dress"... I don't even think so! Shows a lot what DS looks at, likes and etc.etc. At least this common sense was displayed by Linda with her connect to the Lord in modesty.
I hate it when the music used by blues jazz, and secular sounds written for lovers in the music world and then transferred to the change of words like sex tones go up to the Lord that ..that very music is sung in sex tones to lovers . It is so disgusting to me when a singer does this sex music to God. It is no different then Rock and roll music now being "Christian Rock". ....and some Adventist see no wrong in this?? A true worshipper musician can sing a melody with melodious sounds that is catching to the heart of God and angels chime in and believe me ..It ain't sex tones. They sing humble, modest and have ability to know common sense what would be pleasing to the Lord as there praises are to Him and not always dwelling on "theirself songs". Country music know how to do those. Not all bad but not all for worship at church either.
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Dress, style of music, whatever. That may be important to some, but the hard, cold reality is that the people who claim to be "mending broken people" and presenting "the unduluted three angels message" knew that Tommy Shelton had proclivities toward young boys. They knew that child molestation is a crime. They heard the reports and made concerted efforts to make sure that none of the information reached authorities and that the accusers reports were unbelievable and that their names and characters were tarnished.
ANY person who knows about this yet continues to work for or financially support 3ABN shares in their guilt.
I wish it could be said "forgive them for they know not what they do," but that just wouldn't apply.
God help them.
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ANY person who knows about this yet continues to work for or financially support 3ABN shares in their guilt.
Good thought.
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That may be important to some, but the hard, cold reality is that the people who claim to be "mending broken people" and presenting "the unduluted three angels message" knew that Tommy Shelton had proclivities toward young boys.
According to one former worker, Danny said, "Don't let Tommy go out to lunch with that boy." I think that conversation occurred in the late 80's or early 90's. Must have been by 1991, inclusive.
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:oops: UNDILUTED, not "unduluted"... :ROFL: at myself.
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Now, I have never heard her sing, but if reports of her professional history are correct she should have quite a nice voice, but I can't make any judgement on that.
Tinka, I remember what you said about a dress that was down to the floor and nearly choking her at the neck, and I thanked God that you were lead to serve Him because Lord knows where you would be now seeing sex where there is none. However, at the time I forgot about the sterotypes put upon black women(and men) about a preoccupation with sex. Your comments come out of that component of racism. There is no way in the world you should be analyzing even the patterns in the material of her dress to find signs of sexual innuendos. That is just plain, straight racism, and if you don't consider yourself a racist please divest yourself of that negative behavior. AND if you didn't realize that is where it came from, trust me it is. I like you, Tinka, and believe you are so sincere in you devotion to God and his message to man, but you are going to have to let this preoccupation with black women and thier preceived overt sexuality go.
Yes I would say so too, I probably was the first on here to have something to say "in the manner of her dress" that displayed much. although some don't agree. but it was all displayed out and uncalled for, not even modest.
But then one can only imagine "Linda looking like that ..in that dress"... I don't even think so! Shows a lot what DS looks at, likes and etc.etc. At least this common sense was displayed by Linda with her connect to the Lord in modesty.
I hate it when the music used by blues jazz, and secular sounds written for lovers in the music world and then transferred to the change of words like sex tones go up to the Lord that ..that very music is sung in sex tones to lovers . It is so disgusting to me when a singer does this sex music to God. It is no different then Rock and roll music now being "Christian Rock". ....and some Adventist see no wrong in this?? A true worshipper musician can sing a melody with melodious sounds that is catching to the heart of God and angels chime in and believe me ..It ain't sex tones. They sing humble, modest and have ability to know common sense what would be pleasing to the Lord as there praises are to Him and not always dwelling on "theirself songs". Country music know how to do those. Not all bad but not all for worship at church either.
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Di,
It is beyond my wildest thoughts how someone can come back and add all that garbage of racism to my comments. First of all that dress on a white or black woman would display the same thing. I never in my life ever heard of how one person can come up with so much straddling or justifications and turn an eye to display of body parts because of the color of their skin.
You can cover a body very modest with lines that are not so obvious or you can apply covering that accents what "one" (black or white)"likes" to display. It is absolutely a "glitch" when woman do not know the difference on what they display. To others that have the common sense (that has nothing to do with racism) will dress with "modesty". It is alarming and very obvious that a SS teacher cannot discern this kind of difference???
Since your only racism thoughts that come out at every opportunity you can justify for it I suggest you look at the " black sisters that sing on 3 abn." Not sure I remember their name but it sounds like (Cordell)?? not sure that is the name. but I can tell you one thing they are taught, disciplined and modest and sing beautifully in right worship to God and do not what so ever display their bodies. I mention this because you make such a difference in race in every thought....I don't!! I was embarrassed for Yvonne as she displayed all with clinging tightness to her "human body the same as my human body" and nothing was thought of on which color it was displayed on. I just can't understand this type of comeback not only on this subject but many others justifications that I have followed from the beginning. Very very liberal (California style) and away from any SP. I can tell exactly what your knowledge of SP is. and if you do know it is obvious you are very much against it. The same as finding justification for jewelry, wedding rings, star wars, a little wine, and certain types of game playing, chess etc, cards, and what ever music or jumping up and down for worship and what it creates. We may be the same age but i was raised to at least know the difference and never to dwell on thoughts of "human difference" but that God loved all equal. I cannot help wonder just how many children your family or parents did raise to these characteristics of embedding these hate things to come out everywhere it can be pounced upon. but I also watched all your comments to others on here when they have explained and explained their positions and you come back with something clear different in another direction or agree with what ever floats. Yes I am outspoken and get off into other directions too and would like to comment more especially with the ones that straddle. and one on here that I especially watch and wonder in amazement of straddling. There whole life seems to be dedicated to straddling. Don't know how they live with it but seems they weigh everything into facts they wholly believe in trying to condone each side. Its either a right side or wrong. But it will cause them in the end to not know which way is right as they make justifications for both sides. Point blank.. the use of pew money, molestations, adultery, and display against the SP councils shown worldwide on tv are dead wrong! If your an Adventist that is..!!!! The Dress was made to accent body curves. So would you call it a sexuallty Dress?? Yes, the dress did not know what body it would be on. It was just chosen by the one to display what they wanted displayed. I am a seamstress and I know how to accent great modesty into very much"class" that shows quality and acceptability to the honor of God and brings out the inner beauty of what each person has.
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God excepts new baby Christians in whatever manner of dress they are in as their hearts catch the first glimpse But years and years of study and being named an Adventist for a lifetime and "still don't know the difference in modesty tones" Hmmmm. a lifetime of ones own choosing of self display and actions and no difference? Seems impossible to me that Holy Spirits has guided.
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Yes, Tinka, I know you are a seamstress, but a seatress with a certain religiously based set of preferences. Many designer lines have seamstress' but their preferences are to the polar opposite of yours. Do you know that I don't believe you do any of this purposely? If I thought all white folks were that racist, I would not be here chatting, discussing and having a good time at this site. However, a great part of who we are is our environment, what we were taught by are parents, what kind of community we live(d) in and the core values of each. That is why you have such a reaction to the information I shared. I share it so that you will be more sensitive to it going forward. I truly understand what you are syaing about modesty and I know that if you had your way, we would all resemble "Little House on the Praire". While not biblical, it is your preference and maybe even your conviction. I can't argue against that. You have to be true to what you belief is right. That is part of what I admire about you. That in mind, I am going to ignore the personal remarke made in the last post. One day you will learn that somethings we are convicted of as individuals for reasons only God knows. It doesn't mean that everyone who does other than that personal conviction is being disobedient, even though those so convicted would be. In maturing spiritually, you will also realize that it is not necessary for your to agree or even like the path on which the Holy Spirit is guiding me or anyone else. I don't expect our spiritual walk to look the same, as we are indivudals, and God deals with us on that basis. While there is life, there is hope, and I believe that you are sincere. God will bless your faithfulness and cause you to grow in wisdom and knowledge.
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Pay no mind to this racism accusation Tinka. No one can look into your heart through a computer.
What we do know is that these people who claim to be "mending broken people" attempted to shield a child molestor from justice and deceptively portrayed this predator as a friend of children by putting him on their 'KID'S TIME' show. They are not representatives of our denomination. They are saboteurs. That includes anyone who continues to work for or financially support them.
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lol, lol, Di, :ROFL:
You completely surmised about me wanting everything like house on the prairie. In fact I very much keep up with the latest in everything in style, household and clothes. In fact EGW did mention to keep within the style of that era. Did you know that? so therefore I follow suit.
The people that go back to the house on prairie and back in time with he beards etc and all the carved markings that look like the devil is out with me too. Yet nicely done with common sense also is attractive. Its just how you do it. I call the prairie look "suspender gang. I still like to see men wear suspenders but up to date with the rest of the attire. My husband had an array of them when he really didn't need them till a lot older. No you do not know me a bit. I just believe in doing what I believe and sometimes that is a great chore for me. but the guidelines are there at least I know the difference of right and wrong.
I am not a racist in fact this is how the liberal progression of this very thing is taking away "America" its like people that smoke and feel they are trampled on when asked to not breath their smoke in certain or public places. do their dirty stuff at home in their own sanctuaries and leave Gods air and environment alone for the rest of us that don't.
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Pay no mind to this racism accusation Tinka. No one can look into your heart through a computer.
What we do know is that these people who claim to be "mending broken people" attempted to shield a child molestor from justice and deceptively portrayed this predator as a friend of children by putting him on their 'KID'S TIME' show. They are not representatives of our denomination. They are saboteurs. That includes anyone who continues to work for or financially support them.
Yes, the computer makes everything toneless in what manner of speach you mean.
and Yes, I am agreeable about the 3abn saga - that takes no "tone" but visible witnesses and court facts. and again I wrote where I expected people to read between the lines unintentionally. Guess I try blaming greepy old age and a million things of my sinful worry for family and people and my own salvation,
But what I am meaning you put into little words that its basically the same evil power at 3abn that undermines the same on broad picture of the evil power and undermining of America to bring it down. In other words same tatics and use of the word "racism" strongly used in the media of the world. Every little thing about religion, color of skin and etc. etc. It's one of the evilist tools to say for comeback when other justification is a little hard to come up with.
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By now, Yvonne Lewis is knowledgable that Danny and company attempted to subvert justice and cover up the molestation accusations against Tommy Shelton. By continuing her pursuits with 3abn, she has become an active participant in this deception and she is fully aware of it.
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What is it and how can so many be deceived. IS it the lack of education like a certain class of people only live to be led? or their desire to fit in someplace for the TV personality want a bees. I just don't know but something is wrong someplace. Cruise on 3abn profits either by company or individuals is wrong as that is what they are paid from. I am afraid if I had pew money in my pocket I would be penniless instantly knowing it was intended for 3 angels message only as we all believed. and remember how it was told the help was all volunteer?? Guess that makes their side wrong not ours. and these are the facts that drew my attention and dismay!
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This whole Yvonne Lewis Urban Network stuff is just another marketing attempt. Danny trying to restyle his image as being the smooth operator and make 3abn seem hipper and cooler to a more diverse and younger audience.
Still the facts remain as they are:
>Danny attempted to cover up proven child molestation allegations with money that was donated.
>The 3abn board of directors knew about these allegations and the attempt to cover them up without objection.
>Yvonne Lewis is well aware that Danny appropriated donor funds to cover up these allegations.
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How true! The fact is TS is now in prison and they lost all their attempts wasted it all. Some Came on AT posted to let us know all the sympathizers and their accusations of individuals on here. Don't the sympathizers realize if TS was not guilty there would have been no accusations! from a life time of TS experiences and trouble. My opinions are just as strong for the wife and family that did nothing but covered and stayed connected to such a man. Either I am crazy or how can a women want her children subjected.
Now, the other cover is how they misused the funds. What DS does not realize just yet and very well will happen eventually, What goes around comes around. Will it be Yvonne ?? :hamster: He does not have a cloak big enough to cover all that has been done. Regardless if Linda actually did "all he said" what about all the rest that has nothing to do with Linda? And there is another clue to TS actions, was his gift of making people all believe "all he said"? Think about it that must be one big family trait. and they tell the stories over and over and over until all sympathizers do the same. For their motive it definitely works for them. for now! All earthly Kings eventually come to an end. Remember Solomon, but he repented as he realized what he did. Hmmm TS, DS so far --will they???? and why did the magnet draw Yvonne in?? Therefore Horsethief and others your direct observations are well determined that cover up is definitely the truth.
I often think of Linda in different ways...How well she is blessed to be out of it or if entirely guilty she can repent and still have a better life then "this other horrible situation" But unlike TS wife Linda knew right from wrong and she is gone ...no matter how it was chosen to do so.
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Deception may be a temporary benefit to some, but never pays in the long run.
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Depends on who you talk to, Johann. Deception can pay quite well ... to someone else. Just imagine all the dough Duffy, Simpson, and the rest got paid by 3ABN because of Danny's deceptions. Over $1 million in 2007 and 2008 alone.
But as Jesus said, What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul? So in that sense it doesn't pay at all, except the wages of sin, unless we confess and repent.
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Don't be deceived by this Yvonne Lewis. We could see right away that she is a deceiver with her claim that she is a doctor.