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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: daylily on August 25, 2008, 10:28:57 AM
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Somebody told me today that Danny Shelton had written a book by that title and it was published by Remnant Publishing. Surely that is not true!! Somebody tell me it's not true!
daylily
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Somebody told me today that Danny Shelton had written a book by that title and it was published by Remnant Publishing. Surely that is not true!! Somebody tell me it's not true!
daylily
LOL - irony....
http://www.adventistforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/181336/The_Church_Rumor_Mill
What would the REAL point of this "new book" be?? I don't plan to buy and read it, not in a million.....
You have heard the saying "it's the journey, not the destination"?? Makes one go hmmmmmm.
Can you spell B A C K F I R E?
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I am rendered almost speechless by the , dare I say "stupidity" of this? :scratch: I just sit here shaking my head. I don't know what else to say.
daylily
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I am rendered almost speechless by the , dare I say "stupidity" of this? :scratch: I just sit here shaking my head. I don't know what else to say.
daylily
my opinion is, it's written to a specific targeted group that will, of course, BUY IT. :-X
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I am rendered almost speechless by the , dare I say "stupidity" of this? :scratch: I just sit here shaking my head. I don't know what else to say.
daylily
Frankly it shouldn't surprise anyone. To me it is obvious that DS likes the attention that is focused on him. He could put almost a complete stop to most of this. Telling his devoted followers to please cease responding and commenting.
Very little would come of this then.
I don't think he is being harmed that much. I still think he likes the role of beleaguered evangelist struggling mightily against such evil
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I will simply ad the notation that NO-ONE knows the impact of rumor and innuendo then Danny Lee Shelton and is why he must be confronted and punished for his miscreant behaviour for decades.
And Remnant has certainly been a beneficiary!!!
He use to command the Rumor Mill Circuit...when he had credibility. And he has surronded himself by RUMOR-MONGERS such as Brenda Walsh and John Lomacang. And many otherd before this current cabal.
I cannot wait for its intorduction. Will be the first to buy one and begin the process of tracking every assertion for veracity. Don't be surprised to discover that most of the examples will be "factually challenged" and seriously embellished.
As for Remnant and the brothers that run that farsical organization, well let's just say that they are still in my range of obvious targets that are big on hype and low on openness and transparency. Never has anyone spent so much to prevent the discovery of so little from so few!!! They must have something under that mantle of Adventism that they do not want us to see, don't you think??? In my opinion, it is just a matter of time before we have a "head-on" colission.
They keep it up, they will spend the Million Dollars they made on TCTR!!!
Maybe they are trying to make it up on Rumor Mills!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I cannot wait for its intorduction. Will be the first to buy one and begin the process of tracking every assertion for veracity. Don't be surprised to discover that most of the examples will be "factually challenged" and seriously embellished.
As for Remnant and the brothers that run that farsical organization, well let's just say that they are still in my range of obvious targets that are big on hype and low on openness and transparency. Never has anyone spent so much to prevent the discovery of so little from so few!!! They must have something under that mantle of Adventism that they do not want us to see, don't you think??? In my opinion, it is just a matter of time before we have a "head-on" colission.
Gailon,
While I am firmly convinced DS enjoys the attention ,I also believe you eagerly wait any and all, no matter how small and preferably big news that can be examined under a microscope for that one error,falsehood,mistake. While I don't think that there is much honest error dealing with DS,I don't think there is a rumor or scandel that doesn't just make your day.
Most of us find enough wrong or have enough wrong done to us that we don't go out tracking it down. Having lived for six years knowing anything someone may think they knew about my son or could find would be turned right side out looking for that tiny weak spot in the seam.
Life isn't that boring I guess that I have to eagerly wait for a book to tear apart. When it comes to me and affects my family ,I am not likely to back up, but I am not rushing headlong out there to see what I can find.
Maybe they are trying to make it up on Rumor Mills!!!
They just might, take into account those waiting with baited breath for something new to bite into,those that sound almost like a cult following DS,those sincerely curious,he may have a best seller.
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You know, Bonnie, that is what journalists do!!! I regret that you find it so detestable but the truth is what results and we take rumors, put them under a microscope and we report our findings. Yes, we frequently unravel rumors and foil conspiracies. At the very least, we bring OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY to the cloistered and secret compact that rules by lies, innuendo and fabrication.
You really ought to try it as it is very rewarding work to see victims exonerated and miscreants discovered and exposed. And, Yes, IT MAKES MY DAY!!! And it is with pride that I readilly admit it.
Your problem is that your prejudice outweighs clear evidence and if your particular ox in the fight gets gored, Bonnie becomes an enemy of truth. I think that is a big part of Grandma Netties problem as well. Truth is always expendable to ones prejudices.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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You know, Bonnie, that is what journalists do!!! I regret that you find it so detestable but the truth is what results and we take rumors, put them under a microscope and we report our findings. Yes, we frequently unravel rumors and foil conspiracies. At the very least, we bring OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY to the cloistered and secret compact that rules by lies, innuendo and fabrication.
Journalists?? You may claim to be one, you may have convinced yourself you are one,but I don't really swallow that
You really ought to try it as it is very rewarding work to see victims exonerated and miscreants discovered and exposed. And, Yes, IT MAKES MY DAY!!! And it is with pride that I readilly admit it.
I am not sure it is victims exonerated that is so exciting to you.
Your problem is that your prejudice outweighs clear evidence and if your particular ox in the fight gets gored, Bonnie becomes an enemy of truth. I think that is a big part of Grandma Netties problem as well.
Here we go again. Bonnie does not have an ox to gore in this fight. I am not an enemy to truth. I am to those that want nothing more than to achieve recognition using anyone and everyone that crosses their path. Either as a whipping boy or one that gets the rather dubious praises for being in awe of certain people.
I personally think that there are a couple of ring leaders on either side that deserve each other. Only problem is the constant jockeying for first place position.
As for my prejudice,you haven''t a clue. Personally, I do not like and do not place a great trust in televangelist so if I have a prejudice it would be there. But I dislike those as well that simply want name recognition and to be treated with awe because they are rude and arrogant.
Truth is always expendable to ones prejudices.
This is something that should be given a great deal of thought by some as they struggle to make their fight a holy fight
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And who has defined this as a holy war? And isn't the term an oxymoron?
There is nothing Holy about this and there is only a modicum of civility.
And for the record. your prejudices are grossly obvious in nearly every statement you make.
And by the way, YOU ARE A JOURNALIST...what a shock, huh? You have frequently reported things you have seen and experienced and the First Amendment to the US Constitution Guarantees that right to do so and to express your opinion, even when it is prejudiced and not objective. Ain't it great??? Even if it reeks of arrogance!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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And who has defined this as a holy war? And isn't the term an oxymoron?
Not to some people it isn't.
There is nothing Holy about this and there is only a modicum of civility.
Being civil is a little tough, that I can agree with
And for the record. your prejudices are grossly obvious in nearly every statement you make.
At least some of what you say I can see as humourous, altho doubtful if you meant it that way .
Hope you have better vision dealing with the ones you are after than your vision as far as I am concerned. I have little patience, little espect and little liking for what I believe to be true concerning DS.
Unfortunately that is also true concerning a couple of others in this fight.
And by the way, YOU ARE A JOURNALIST...what a shock, huh? You have frequently reported things you have seen and experienced and the First Amendment to the US Constitution Guarantees that right to do so and to express your opinion, even when it is prejudiced and not objective. Ain't it great??? Even if it reeks of arrogance!!!
That is about the weakest, silliest thing that has been said so far. Really stretching there aren't we??
Reporting what has been seen by some, or what some honestly believe to be true is not the problem,nor does that make someone a journalist. But of course you knew that as you were typing that rather silly observation. No one said being pompous,rude,arrogant,overbearing was against the constitution. Just as stating that, is not against the constitution.
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There are US Supreme Court decisions that support just that premise and one, in fact, quotes a jurist by declaring that the moment a person picks up a pen and chooses to write about their observations, even though it be nothing but a handwritten letter of protest, they have entered the protections of the First Amendment and the right of free speech.
Martin Luther would be proud of just how far the framers of the United States Constitution carried out the premises of the Protestant Reformation and the inalienable rights that the right of conscience carries with it.
So, enjoy your new found avocation as a journalist!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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This thread seems to have veered slightly off topic :oops:
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I understand how you feel! Every time I talk about eBay, the topic gets hijacked also! It happens right away or Danny's posters stop posting there and the threads die. I sympathize.
I guess that no one cares to hear a liar tell about church rumor mills! At least that is my thought. How can I say he is a liar? Danny lied to me. That is a fact! One was when he told me Brenda Walsh had never been in his house ever. Oops! That was clearly a big whopper.
:oops: Hijacked!
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And who has defined this as a holy war? And isn't the term an oxymoron?
Not to some people it isn't.
There is nothing Holy about this and there is only a modicum of civility.
Being civil is a little tough, that I can agree with
And for the record. your prejudices are grossly obvious in nearly every statement you make.
At least some of what you say I can see as humourous, altho doubtful if you meant it that way .
Hope you have better vision dealing with the ones you are after than your vision as far as I am concerned. I have little patience, little espect and little liking for what I believe to be true concerning DS.
Unfortunately that is also true concerning a couple of others in this fight.
And by the way, YOU ARE A JOURNALIST...what a shock, huh? You have frequently reported things you have seen and experienced and the First Amendment to the US Constitution Guarantees that right to do so and to express your opinion, even when it is prejudiced and not objective. Ain't it great??? Even if it reeks of arrogance!!!
That is about the weakest, silliest thing that has been said so far. Really stretching there aren't we??
Reporting what has been seen by some, or what some honestly believe to be true is not the problem,nor does that make someone a journalist. But of course you knew that as you were typing that rather silly observation. No one said being pompous,rude,arrogant,overbearing was against the constitution. Just as stating that, is not against the constitution.
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Bonnie hop on Snooer's shoulder for the "lock and key!"
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This came to my Rumor Mill e-mail and I felt it is worth sharing:
Notice the bit about "Pastor or a Doctor". Now, we know Bob has been on the up and up regarding this. But what about a 3ABN Board Member, Wintley Phipps? At his Dream Academy website it rightly says that he received an honorary doctoral degree. Read about it here http://www.usdreamacademy.org/usdreamwintleyphipps.html
Note that it is not a doctoral degree in religion or theology. It's no degree at all, just an honorary one. No problem here though.
What's the problem? If you received your degree as an honorary one, it is common custom to place the (Hon.) behind your name or title. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_doctorate Go to the section Practical Use and read down about halfway.
But as you start to search around the web, you find that he often is referred to as Dr. Wintley Phipps. No "Honorary" distinction is made.
If you go to his church's website http://palmbaysdachurch.org/ see his title under his photo and look at the header bar, way up at the very very top of the website browser. They both say Dr. Wintley A. Phipps, Pastor. This is a gray area but could be considered a bit fraudulent. He he doesn't have a Doctoral Degree! But he makes people think he does! I wouldn't be surprised that if in some states it is illegal to call yourself "Dr." if you don't declare your degree as being honorary. If only he would put (Hon) or Dr.(h.c.) behind it all would be okay. But to go after Bob for something that a 3ABN board member is doing? Tsk tsk tsk.
For some reason, you can't click past the first page of Palm Bay's website. But here is a direct link to the pastor's page. http://palmbaysdachurch.org/church/pastor.php Again, "Dr." Phipps. It even has his bio of education. But no mention of the honorary doctoral degree.
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:help: Somebody must have read the new Church Rumor Mill book by DS. I need to know if it is worth purchasing. The subject matter appears to be about GOSSIP and how it affects the church and the people in the church. Hopefully it is a book that can start some type of healing. :pals: :console: :puppykisses: ;D
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Well if you can wait a few weeks you can probably buy one for pretty cheap on e-bay... :)
:help: Somebody must have read the new Church Rumor Mill book by DS. I need to know if it is worth purchasing. The subject matter appears to be about GOSSIP and how it affects the church and the people in the church. Hopefully it is a book that can start some type of healing. :pals: :console: :puppykisses: ;D
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I don't know why most folks would want to buy a book written by someone who has hurt so many people by the rumors he has spread, including his ex-wife, and who has such trouble making things right.
Now if he could gain the victory over his reticence of following 1 Jn. 1:9, then it would really be a book worth reading, I would think.
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Maybe Brenda Walsh will get on for free? She really needs to read it. She has told some whoppers!
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This came to my Rumor Mill e-mail and I felt it is worth sharing:
Notice the bit about "Pastor or a Doctor". Now, we know Bob has been on the up and up regarding this. But what about a 3ABN Board Member, Wintley Phipps? At his Dream Academy website it rightly says that he received an honorary doctoral degree. Read about it here http://www.usdreamacademy.org/usdreamwintleyphipps.html
Note that it is not a doctoral degree in religion or theology. It's no degree at all, just an honorary one. No problem here though.
What's the problem? If you received your degree as an honorary one, it is common custom to place the (Hon.) behind your name or title. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honorary_doctorate Go to the section Practical Use and read down about halfway.
But as you start to search around the web, you find that he often is referred to as Dr. Wintley Phipps. No "Honorary" distinction is made.
If you go to his church's website http://palmbaysdachurch.org/ see his title under his photo and look at the header bar, way up at the very very top of the website browser. They both say Dr. Wintley A. Phipps, Pastor. This is a gray area but could be considered a bit fraudulent. He he doesn't have a Doctoral Degree! But he makes people think he does! I wouldn't be surprised that if in some states it is illegal to call yourself "Dr." if you don't declare your degree as being honorary. If only he would put (Hon) or Dr.(h.c.) behind it all would be okay. But to go after Bob for something that a 3ABN board member is doing? Tsk tsk tsk.
For some reason, you can't click past the first page of Palm Bay's website. But here is a direct link to the pastor's page. http://palmbaysdachurch.org/church/pastor.php Again, "Dr." Phipps. It even has his bio of education. But no mention of the honorary doctoral degree.
At this point I think we would all feel a little better if you even had an honorary degree from a law school instead of pretending to be a lawyer.
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I don't know why most folks would want to buy a book written by someone who has hurt so many people by the rumors he has spread, including his ex-wife, and who has such trouble making things right.
Now if he could gain the victory over his reticence of following 1 Jn. 1:9, then it would really be a book worth reading, I would think.
THat's rich Bob coming from you. I hear people are calling you the "rumor king". That is kind considering all the people and families that you have hurt just to try and get to one man.
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Maybe Brenda Walsh will get on for free? She really needs to read it. She has told some whoppers!
What proof to you have for that accusation Fran? If I was 3abn I would bring you into the lawsuit right along with Joy and Pickle as you have made just as many slanderous statements as they have. You also state your accusations as fact which constitutes defamation. I assume 3abn doesn't have a clue about you or they surely would have your name on the suit. Maybe someone should tell them.
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A good day to the lovely and charming Sam. We are all delighted to see someone who is disgusted and horrified at people who don't represent Christ in the their words. Thank you! Your fury at how some represent 3ABN in its representation of Christ, as your desire to see Christ represented through 3ABN, or see those who don't represent him through them and Danny, sued, prosecuted and persecuted is such a perfect and wonderful representation, is touching and makes all who see your love, forgiveness and Christian beauty wish to be all that you are in your representation of them. I am prepared to plant a stake in the ground and light the fires on them for you, 3ABN and Jesus! Thank God for the Christian love of 3ABN as shown through you! Viva suing for Jesus!!!
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!nemA
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Maybe Brenda Walsh will get on for free? She really needs to read it. She has told some whoppers!
What proof to you have for that accusation Fran?
Brenda stated that Linda got the tickets for the planned trip to Florida, when in reality Brenda herself reserved the tickets and 3ABN apparently paid for them.
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THat's rich Bob coming from you. I hear people are calling you the "rumor king". That is kind considering all the people and families that you have hurt just to try and get to one man.
Want to list any "rumors" I've told?
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Sammy, you sound like a very bitter and angry person - almost as if you might be a member of one of those "hurt families"...
I don't know why most folks would want to buy a book written by someone who has hurt so many people by the rumors he has spread, including his ex-wife, and who has such trouble making things right.
Now if he could gain the victory over his reticence of following 1 Jn. 1:9, then it would really be a book worth reading, I would think.
THat's rich Bob coming from you. I hear people are calling you the "rumor king". That is kind considering all the people and families that you have hurt just to try and get to one man.
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Hey, hey! Don't hound Sam. He is just doing his best to represent 3ABN's Christianity, and he is doing a wonderful job of it. After all, as they represent it Jesus would say "Sue those who speak ill of you. Prosecute those who think badly of you. If someone smites your cheek, don't turn the other cheek, sue them into the poor house and make them wish they had never heard of Christ. If your ethics are questioned blackmail and sue the one who questions you." His Jesus is such a wonderful, forgiving god of litigation it makes me want to evangelize him to the world at the edge of the sword. Long live those 3ABN Jesus suites! May all who disagree with 3ABN and Sam be sued into the ground in the name of their litigious lord and saviour whose love for the world is persecution and law suites.
So don't be implying that he has an axe to grind, as you have done. He is just trying to spread the gospel of Jesus suites, although, he has implied that 3ABN is not quite litigious enough to represent his passion for the spread of christianity.
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Hey, hey! Don't hound Sam. He is just doing his best to represent 3ABN's Christianity, and he is doing a wonderful job of it. After all, as they represent it Jesus would say "Sue those who speak ill of you. Prosecute those who think badly of you. If someone smites your cheek, don't turn the other cheek, sue them into the poor house and make them wish they had never heard of Christ. If your ethics are questioned blackmail and sue the one who questions you." His Jesus is such a wonderful, forgiving god of litigation it makes me want to evangelize him to the world at the edge of the sword. Long live those 3ABN Jesus suites! May all who disagree with 3ABN and Sam be sued into the ground in the name of their litigious lord and saviour whose love for the world is persecution and law suites.
So don't be implying that he has an axe to grind, as you have done. He is just trying to spread the gospel of Jesus suites, although, he has implied that 3ABN is not quite litigious enough to represent his passion for the spread of christianity.
Speaking out of both sides of your mouth has to be extremely difficult.
I am constantly amazed at how you can mingle smile and play nice-nice with those at 3abn and never say a word about any of this, and then talk about them like dogs on the internet.
Considering your involvement in all this from the beginning, and the axe you have been grinding and helping others to, you would have to think us all very stupid to not be able to see right through your act?
I am just saying...
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Jack's back...
...and out of his box...
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I'm jes' gong to say this one thing to this here topic. I cannot believe that Danny actually sat downto write(or somebody sat down while he dictated) this book. But I guess since he used the rumor mill, might just be an expert at how it works.
This is definitely a whole new scary side of "the Remnant" for me. It''s like the dark side of the force or soemthing....
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Maybe Brenda Walsh will get on for free? She really needs to read it. She has told some whoppers!
Her slanderous tongue deserves to feel the full weight of a slander and defamation suite, but more than just one person!!! She better have spent her take, else she will most surely have to part with it!!!
Of course the other ooption would be a full and complete confession and request for forgiveness, a foreign concept to the beholders of the "annointed one" under the guise of the "Three Angels" Broadcasting Nwetwork.
They had a message all right, and it is a blatant bold faced lie!!!
Gailon arthur Joy
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I have seen a copy of this book, however, as it belongs to somebody else, I only had a chance to skim through it. I came across one chapter that spoke negativey about the gossip going on in the internet chat rooms. I will probably be able to borrow it later on after the person has read it.
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In reading the whole thread here and 2nd time posting I must say. Gailon, I wished there was more like you especially in the government as maybe someone would have exposed this National Econonmy sooner diverted some of this horrific mess of peoples losses- and to address Child of God. I am whinning for sure because my heart is broken to watch my mother before her passing sacrificing her whole life and gave all she could to the begininng of 3abn each month only to find out it either bought hay for the horses :horse: or some fuel for the jet. What kind of indulgences more can you take away from these facts and provide some sort of compensation or appology or take away the hurt in my heart to watch what my mother did without so this man could abused and use. How can you take this fact away from my heart. Guess I really do not expect an answer since some are on that side of things. Guess you could call it the liberal side :'(
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Hi tinka and welcome to AdventTalk!!
I was touched by your post and your heartache. Of course no one can change what has happened, but my thought is that you can rejoice in the fact that your Mom was doing what her heart was called to do by her obvious love for Jesus. Try to ignore the visions of waste and abuse and focus on the joy her gifts brought to our Lord. When you feel overcome by heartache, try to picture the smile your Mom brought to His beautiful face and the untold joy she will experience when He comes to get her.
Oh, and by the way. I totally agree with your assessment of Gailon. The world needs more warriors against evil.
Blessings,
Snoopy
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Amen!!!! :amen: :amen: :amen:
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Snoopy and Grat,
Thank you so much for the kind thoughts and words. It helps much to think of it that way as I have only been so upset about the waste of much from everyone that gave much as I was astonished by the figures. They always represented as using volunteers and day to day financial need. That alone facts now make a lie. Just that is bad enough.
Just think of this too, IF EGW would not have been so diligent in the Holy Spirit to find true where would Adventist be today that do believe she was the messenger. Still some only pick out what suits or do not want to hear about a messanger. Even there again are the wheat and tares. I just can't understand the darkness of what some do and hide their sins not having the cover lifted from their eyes to see their wrong. We must all seek truth in order to discern where we are going and who we fellowship with that take our love for them only to use and abuse. :TY:
Please someone tell me that DB does not go along with these facts, Even if it is not the divorce facts and all the figures of the money. Could he not see the extravagances????
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tinka...
Your mom would be very proud of you!! :console:
I hope you have a restful Sabbath!
Snoopy
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tinka...don't look at man, they will disappoint you. I know, I had a real problem with that letter that DB wrote regarding the IRS thing. I was sure someone else had written it and used his name. I was very disappointed! :scratch: But he is human with all that comes with it. Keep your eyes on Jesus.
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What has changed during the years since this was written?
Hey, hey! Don't hound Sam. He is just doing his best to represent 3ABN's Christianity, and he is doing a wonderful job of it. After all, as they represent it Jesus would say "Sue those who speak ill of you. Prosecute those who think badly of you. If someone smites your cheek, don't turn the other cheek, sue them into the poor house and make them wish they had never heard of Christ. If your ethics are questioned blackmail and sue the one who questions you." His Jesus is such a wonderful, forgiving god of litigation it makes me want to evangelize him to the world at the edge of the sword. Long live those 3ABN Jesus suites! May all who disagree with 3ABN and Sam be sued into the ground in the name of their litigious lord and saviour whose love for the world is persecution and law suites.
So don't be implying that he has an axe to grind, as you have done. He is just trying to spread the gospel of Jesus suites, although, he has implied that 3ABN is not quite litigious enough to represent his passion for the spread of christianity.
Speaking out of both sides of your mouth has to be extremely difficult.
I am constantly amazed at how you can mingle smile and play nice-nice with those at 3abn and never say a word about any of this, and then talk about them like dogs on the internet.
Considering your involvement in all this from the beginning, and the axe you have been grinding and helping others to, you would have to think us all very stupid to not be able to see right through your act?
I am just saying...