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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on February 06, 2009, 03:03:20 PM
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I've wondered for a long time why the 9/04 issue of 3ABN World went missing from 3ABN's website. I asked for them during discovery, but 3ABN refused to give them to me.
Well, I finally got a copy of that missing issue. Attached is an article from it.
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Notice how the 9/04 article mentions Antichrist Agenda: Ten Commandments Twice Removed.
When was the article written? August? Earlier?
Therefore, when was Antichrist Agenda written? Looks to me like this article proves that the book is pre-June 25, 2004 divorce, and thus Linda has rights to it.
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Now, if 3ABN is not a Shelton family business, isn't it a bit unethical for 3ABN to remove an issue off of its website just to cater to the whims of a selfish little guy going through a mid-life crisis, who just dumped his wife over bogus accusations of adultery?
In other words, what godly reason can 3ABN come up with for being in cahoots, in conspiracy with Danny Shelton, to hide some of Linda's assets from her?
At what point is 3ABN guilty of theft in the eyes of God in this matter when they conspire with Danny to cheat Linda out of her just due?
Just some questions I have.
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Oops! They goofed again, huh? This is a 5 year story of goofs and lies! Bob, you have posted document after document and yet, those others claim all you do is produce innuendo!
I am sure people reading http://www.save-3ABN.com can readily see all the evidence in documented form. If you have not read it, please go see!
If you can't find what you are wanting to read, just start reading the things listed under the name of Danny Shelton.
This documented article you have posted is another fine example of God revealing to you that which was done in the dark. I believe the Word says that those things done in dark will be made light!
I wonder what the Judge will think about them not producing what was asked for? The judge will see that it was published, and the statement about the "Antichrist Agenda: Ten Commandments Twice Removed" is definitely in the past-tense!
If there is one thing Danny and 3ABN have in common, it is, they are both non-producers of evidence! This surely does not look good for them. However, it does look good for Linda and her case going on.
Now I am awaiting the results of the DNA test.
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I've wondered for a long time why the 9/04 issue of 3ABN World went missing from 3ABN's website. I asked for them during discovery, but 3ABN refused to give them to me.
Well, I finally got a copy of that missing issue. Attached is an article from it.
On the contrary Bob (as usual) I scanned the article several times. It makes no mention of the titles "Antichrist Agenda" or "Ten Commandments Twice Removed". The only mention of a "doctrinal message" about the sabbath is in the paragraph that is entitiled "3abn books in the future".
Glad you found this. It proves just the opposite of your twist on things.
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Sammy,
Maybe you could enlighten us as to why Danny took his publication needs to Remnant after publicly announcing the establishment of 3ABN Books and touting their plans to publish his material??
I've wondered for a long time why the 9/04 issue of 3ABN World went missing from 3ABN's website. I asked for them during discovery, but 3ABN refused to give them to me.
Well, I finally got a copy of that missing issue. Attached is an article from it.
On the contrary Bob (as usual) I scanned the article several times. It makes no mention of the titles "Antichrist Agenda" or "Ten Commandments Twice Removed". The only mention of a "doctrinal message" about the sabbath is in the paragraph that is entitiled "3abn books in the future".
Glad you found this. It proves just the opposite of your twist on things.
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Sam - What book on the Sabbath have DS and SQ written?
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That would be "Antichrist Agenda: Ten Commandments Twice Removed" wouldn't it?
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Certainly Sam is smart enough to have gotten the point.
- I said, "Notice how the 9/04 article mentions Antichrist Agenda: Ten Commandments Twice Removed."
- I did not say or mean that the actual title appeared in the article.
- I never mentioned the book, Ten Commandments Twice Removed.
- The article speaks of a book on the Sabbath written by Danny and Shelley.
Sam, since you have the inside scoop, can you tell us who is the one who did the unethical act of deleting that issue off of 3ABN's website? It wouldn't have been Steve Nelson, would it have been? I would think it wouldn't since he is the head of an organization that is against clergy abuse. Seems Danny's actions toward his ex are a bit abusive when it comes to hiding his royalties, and I wouldn't think Steve would want to have any part in it, even if it meant he had to find employment elsewhere.
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Notice how the 9/04 article mentions Antichrist Agenda: Ten Commandments Twice Removed.
"What can you expect from 3ABN Books in the future?...Doctrinal Presentation like Danny Shelton's and Shelly Quinn's book on the Sabbath, and.."
When was the article written? August? Earlier?
Therefore, when was Antichrist Agenda written? Looks to me like this article proves that the book is pre-June 25, 2004 divorce, and thus Linda has rights to it.
Looking? Found something you have, mmmmm?
"Much to learn, you still have."
December 30, 2004. First announcement was.
Latest announcements...
New book: Check out The Antichrist Agenda by Danny Shelton and Shelley Quinn.
http://web.archive.org/web/20041230083406/http://www.3abn.org/
YODA
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Your point?
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Certainly Sam is smart enough to have gotten the point.
- I said, "Notice how the 9/04 article mentions Antichrist Agenda: Ten Commandments Twice Removed."
- I did not say or mean that the actual title appeared in the article.
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- I never mentioned the book, Ten Commandments Twice Removed.
- The article speaks of a book on the Sabbath written by Danny and Shelley.
Sam, since you have the inside scoop, can you tell us who is the one who did the unethical act of deleting that issue off of 3ABN's website? It wouldn't have been Steve Nelson, would it have been? I would think it wouldn't since he is the head of an organization that is against clergy abuse. Seems Danny's actions toward his ex are a bit abusive when it comes to hiding his royalties, and I wouldn't think Steve would want to have any part in it, even if it meant he had to find employment elsewhere.
No Bob you did not even imply that the titles were not there. You did quite the opposite and stated as if they were.
I notice with all the little comments made by those here, you all accidentally, on purpose, left out the fact that a book by Danny and Shelly was in the "FUTURE BOOKS" For 3ABN. That one word made all the difference. Funny how all of you overlooked it. :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Sam,
I said the book was mentioned. It was.
The word future is irrelevant. Danny had already written the manuscript before Shelley laid eyes on it. When did he start working on the manuscript? June 26? And Shelley saw it and rewrote the whole thing before the end of July or August? No way!
But Sam, you forgot to answer the all important question: Who did the unethical act of deleting that issue off of 3ABN's website in order to help Danny hide the fact that the book was in the works before the divorce, and that thus Linda is part owner? Was it Steve Nelson? Was it Danny himself? Who is the culprit who altered 3ABN's website in order to indulge the little whims, the conflicts of interest, of Danny Lee Shelton?
If you truly have the inside scoop, tell us who did the dastardly deed.
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In conversation with Proffaber over at 3ABNTalk, he shared a couple of quotes with me, one from Thomas Pynchon,
"If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers."
This has been your method from the git-go. You aren't interested in the truth, you are merely interested in what serves your purpose. You ask questions that aren't intended to lead to the truth, only intended to lead to you - the glorification of you.
And, this from David McCullough,
"You can have all the facts imaginable and miss the truth . . ."
This would clearly describe your endeavors. I understand an analysis of your position is forth coming on that reputable site (contrary to Ms. Lynette's grievous comments), it should be an interesting read.
A time has arrived for you to lay your anger, hatred, jealousy, and malice aside and ask the Lord's forgiveness for your grievous sins and focus on that which you should be focusing on - your family. Spend some time with your daughter and ask her forgiveness for neglecting her and her educational hopes and dreams. Then sit with your wife and beg her forgiveness for neglecting your family in your pursuit of vengeance and vindictiveness. Seek her forgiveness for putting your own self indulgent desires ahead of your Biblical responsibilities to family.
And, if you have to occassionally indulge your prurient nature, at least base it on statutory law, as that is where all legal foundation begins.
- anyman
Sam,
I said the book was mentioned. It was.
The word future is irrelevant. Danny had already written the manuscript before Shelley laid eyes on it. When did he start working on the manuscript? June 26? And Shelley saw it and rewrote the whole thing before the end of July or August? No way!
But Sam, you forgot to answer the all important question: Who did the unethical act of deleting that issue off of 3ABN's website in order to help Danny hide the fact that the book was in the works before the divorce, and that thus Linda is part owner? Was it Steve Nelson? Was it Danny himself? Who is the culprit who altered 3ABN's website in order to indulge the little whims, the conflicts of interest, of Danny Lee Shelton?
If you truly have the inside scoop, tell us who did the dastardly deed.
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anyman,
You should direct your comments to Danny Shelton. He's the vindictive little bully who filed suit against me. I'm not the one who filed suit.
So ask Danny to apologize to my family.
I can imagine that your comments are similar to those of the papists in the Dark Ages who asked the martyrs to surrender their convictions, principles, and truth for the sake of their families. Those nonsensical arguments will be tried again when those who hold the 3rd angel's message dear are persecuted and brought before courts of law.
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It is interesting how this bit of incriminating evidence has brought out the Danny clones. Here we have evidence that there has been a conspiracy, a scheme, to hide the fact that Danny's book was in the works prior to his divorce.
Why did that issue go missing? Now we know.
But who deleted it?
By the way, I was asking for the missing issues by September 23, 2007: http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=3abn+world&pid=216797 (http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=3abn+world&pid=216797). I asked for them in discovery, and 3ABN refused to give them. Now we know why.
3abn_world 09-04 article on 3abn books.pdf (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1591.0;attach=295)
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Robert, I am sure that Yoda would comment with something like, "Misguided, you are" . . .
I directed my comments exactly where they needed to be - to you.
You sought the the suit as a means to get a hold of information you couldn't get any other way. You wanted it, you sought it, you antagonized for it . . . and then, when you finally got what you wanted in the first place - you tried to turn it around into a martyr's robe.
You are the only one who owes your family an apology - you are the only one, Biblically, who is responsible for your family, the only one who is responsible, Biblically, for your family . . . You have neglected them, no one else. You have failed to meet your Biblical responsibility to your family . . . but that is between you, God, and your family . . . some day you might wake up and realize the truth of this, then again, you may wake up and it is too late.
Of course you would go to the papists . . . comes from your Catholic background . . . When you are met with the most pointed and pertinent comments you attempt to cast them, and the individual writing them as papist - all part of the manipulative skills you have perfected over the years. You have no connection to the message of the final angels of Biblical mention . . . you haven't done the work of those angels, you haven't sought to spread the Saviors love to an aching world . . . instead, you have sought to break people, to destroy their faith in God . . . you have not been about your Father's business - quite the contrary.
Again, man up and focus on your family . . . could your failure in this area be the reason you were removed from eldership? Did they see what the rest of us see? That you allowed your family to suffer at the expense of your vindictiveness? Did they suffer because you wouldn't be interviewed on 3ABN? Because you couldn't find a denominational publisher for your book? Because you weren't welcomed into ASI? Most God fearing individuals might ask why these things happen and seek a renewed relationship with the Creator. Instead, you sought to attack all those you saw as being "against Robert."
- anyman
anyman,
You should direct your comments to Danny Shelton. He's the vindictive little bully who filed suit against me. I'm not the one who filed suit.
So ask Danny to apologize to my family.
I can imagine that your comments are similar to those of the papists in the Dark Ages who asked the martyrs to surrender their convictions, principles, and truth for the sake of their families. Those nonsensical arguments will be tried again when those who hold the 3rd angel's message dear are persecuted and brought before courts of law.
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I never sought the suit, and I never thought Danny would sue, since he didn't have a case. Gailon thought Danny would sue. I didn't.
Your speculations are off base, that is for sure.
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So why did the 11/04 issue of 3ABN World go missing too? Read the attached article from it and see if you can figure it out.
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Did anyone notice when the article said Mending Broken People was going to be published? What month and year?
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As I remember my CA days, Kay Kuzma sent a reply to a member at CA who had inquired about why Linda had been removed from the book. Kay replied that Linda was indeed in the book, she said she had even interviewed Linda ONCE!
The "other" book was out in 2002. This book was almost 2 years later, just in time for the 20th anniversary. 2004, what a busy year!
This book took 7 years. What was her reward? Becoming the one blessed to become the head of 3ABN Books!
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Hi Fran. Great to see you.
When does the article say it was going to be published? What month and year?
There's more going on than meets the eye with this one, I think.
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Enlighten us. I will go re-read.
I thought it was November 2004. The 1st sentence says, "This month a special book will be published in celebration of 3ABN's 20th Anniversary! Mending Broken People, written by Kay Kuzma, Founder and Speaker of......"
Help us out.
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I was interviewed too by Kay Kuzma for the book, but quite a few things were changed just then.
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Enlighten us. I will go re-read.
I thought it was November 2004. The 1st sentence says, "This month a special book will be published in celebration of 3ABN's 20th Anniversary! Mending Broken People, written by Kay Kuzma, Founder and Speaker of......"
Help us out.
Yes, it says it would be published in November 2004. The copy for the November 2004 issue of 3ABN World may have been written by the end of September 2004.
But the copyright date in the book says 2005. Why?
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I would not have known the copyright date since I have never desired to read it. Maybe it was for needed time to extract Linda from the book. However, that is an interesting question.
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Well, I guess I will be back tomorrow with what I looked up. It sure made me go "A-Ha!"
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I went over to BSDA and did some searches of past postings. I did a search looking up “Kuzma.” I figured it would talk about "Mending Broken People." I had to go back several times to read them all.
Then I started searching downloaded court documents and BINGO! There it was! It makes perfect sense!
Bob: Yes, it says it would be published in November 2004. The copy for the November 2004 issue of 3ABN World may have been written by the end of September 2004.
But the copyright date in the book says 2005. Why?
DLS Publishing was not incorporated until November 30, 2004, the month the book was to be published was November, 2004.
Why was it copyrighted in 2005?
They had to make sure none of the royalties would begin in 2004 for Linda to make claim to!
I wondered why Kay Kuzma’s book would make a difference until I read the following!
Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS Document 152 Filed 12/08/2008 Page 1 of 14
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.,
an Illinois non-profit corporation, and
Danny Lee Shelton, individually. Case No.: 07-40098-FDS
Plaintiffs,
v. s.
Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle, )
Defendants. )
Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS Document 152 Filed 12/08/2008 Page 9 of 14
38. Mending Broken People, inter alia, helped establish that Shelton was funneling money attributable to his pre-divorce activities through DLS, since this book was mostly done before Shelton’s divorce in June 2004, DLS wasn’t incorporated until November 30, 2004, and DLS was being paid royalties on sales of this book.
Ding, ding! Danny was getting royalties for the book that took 7 years to get published! Linda should get ½ of those royalties!
DLS Publishing got credit for Danny’s free advertising and promotion of the book! Danny is receiving those royalties as well as Kay Kuzma. Donors paid for all that advertising! However, Danny got the royalties!
Just to cover their plan, the book was delayed to keep any royalties coming in until 2005. Well the cat is out of the bag, so to speak.
September 2004 issue of 3ABN World brought us Kay Kuzma as the new director of 3ABN Books. More free advertising. There was a 3ABN Today and another program pushing the book.
Read the above excerpts from Document 152 dated 12/8/2008 again.
There are more books out there. Did Danny also get royalties from "A Channel of Blessing"?
They may have been paid royalties under the D&LS company that DLS replaced?
What about Brenda Walsh’s books? Did Danny get royalties from that also?
I remember asking Linda Shelton a fist full of questions on CA when she was interviewed. Nick Miller sent me a PM on those questions and assured me that Danny had only received a $20.00 royalty - ever!
Was this one of the things that set Nick Miller out for a search?
Nick said there were no other co-operations. Did he finally figure out differently, because later he found out that Danny WAS receiving big bucks in royalties?
Not even the 3ABN board knew he was receiving all these royalties!
Yeah, it all makes perfect sense to me now.
Linda,
Get some one that can really dig! There is a gold mine out there that is ½ yours!
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Fran,
So 3ABN World said that Mending Broken People was going to be published that month, November 2004, but the copyright date says 2005.
You mention Nick Miller. I don't know what all concerned Nick, but he became concerned in January 2005. Sounds like it could have had something to do with MBP, but I don't know.
You say Nick told you that Danny wasn't making any royalties to speak of? Do you have that email or PM or letter?
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So was DLS incorporated in part to be a channel for royalties from MBP?
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Yeah, I have that PM somewhere! I will search for it. I sent a copy to Linda, Johann and Derrell too way back then. The amount may have been $50.00 and not $20.00. I will have to check and verify that, but it was $50.00 or under. That PM might be quite interesting after all this time, huh?
Fran,
So 3ABN World said that Mending Broken People was going to be published that month, November 2004, but the copyright date says 2005.
You mention Nick Miller. I don't know what all concerned Nick, but he became concerned in January 2005. Sounds like it could have had something to do with MBP, but I don't know.
You say Nick told you that Danny wasn't making any royalties to speak of? Do you have that email or PM or letter?
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I have just discovered that at least 5 hacking tools have tried to attack my computer within the last month. Fortunately I have an insurance that will investigate.
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This whole topic is becoming more pathetic and desperate with every post. :help:
Quoting Bob's theories even if from a court filing proves nothing Fran, especially as he just dreamed it up and his theory has nothing to do with reality, nor do yours...
DLS publishing is Danny Shelton's personal company, not 3abn's, and he and it had nothing to do with authoring or publishing "Mending broken people" or the other books you mention...
The Publisher of "Mending Broken People" is: Oshawa, Ontario, Canada Pacific Press Publishing Association 2005
The author is Kay Kuzma. Any royalties would therefore go to her.
(and btw authors are entitled to royalties, not their employers, EGW said so! Pickle knows the quote!)
As far as the copyright being in 2005? give me a break! Regardless of Pickle's unsupported theories about the articles being written months before being published ( ask 3abn and you will find this is not the case...)2005 was only weeks after the announcement in 3abn world that the book was to be published, and that is not unreasonable nor unusual at all.
Also btw, anyone know who the two different publishers were for the "The Antichrist agenda", and "The 10 commandments twice removed" books? or who owns the copyright, and how that affects things? or how much Shelly Quinn made in royalties as the co-author? Surely she doesn't owe Linda royalties along with Kay Kuzma, Brenda Walsh, and DS, and a host of other authors of books sold on the 3abn website? (as well as at ABC, etc?)
Why does Pickle always leave that and Shelly Quinn out when talking about all the money he thinks is kickbacks and owed to Linda, and pretend any royalties only went to DS, and that he published the books himself??
Inquiring minds want to know..
ok, carry on...
edited to add, yes Fran do check that Nick Miller pm, according to the local tax case in Illinois it was Linda who received that 20.00, not Danny... and.. Is he still a member on the forums? I have some questions for him, if so...
I went over to BSDA and did some searches of past postings. I did a search looking up “Kuzma.” I figured it would talk about "Mending Broken People." I had to go back several times to read them all.
Then I started searching downloaded court documents and BINGO! There it was! It makes perfect sense!
Bob: Yes, it says it would be published in November 2004. The copy for the November 2004 issue of 3ABN World may have been written by the end of September 2004.
But the copyright date in the book says 2005. Why?
DLS Publishing was not incorporated until November 30, 2004, the month the book was to be published was November, 2004.
Why was it copyrighted in 2005?
They had to make sure none of the royalties would begin in 2004 for Linda to make claim to!
I wondered why Kay Kuzma’s book would make a difference until I read the following!
Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS Document 152 Filed 12/08/2008 Page 1 of 14
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.,
an Illinois non-profit corporation, and
Danny Lee Shelton, individually. Case No.: 07-40098-FDS
Plaintiffs,
v. s.
Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle, )
Defendants. )
Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS Document 152 Filed 12/08/2008 Page 9 of 14
38. Mending Broken People, inter alia, helped establish that Shelton was funneling money attributable to his pre-divorce activities through DLS, since this book was mostly done before Shelton’s divorce in June 2004, DLS wasn’t incorporated until November 30, 2004, and DLS was being paid royalties on sales of this book.
Ding, ding! Danny was getting royalties for the book that took 7 years to get published! Linda should get ½ of those royalties!
DLS Publishing got credit for Danny’s free advertising and promotion of the book! Danny is receiving those royalties as well as Kay Kuzma. Donors paid for all that advertising! However, Danny got the royalties!
Just to cover their plan, the book was delayed to keep any royalties coming in until 2005. Well the cat is out of the bag, so to speak.
September 2004 issue of 3ABN World brought us Kay Kuzma as the new director of 3ABN Books. More free advertising. There was a 3ABN Today and another program pushing the book.
Read the above excerpts from Document 152 dated 12/8/2008 again.
There are more books out there. Did Danny also get royalties from "A Channel of Blessing"?
They may have been paid royalties under the D&LS company that DLS replaced?
What about Brenda Walsh’s books? Did Danny get royalties from that also?
I remember asking Linda Shelton a fist full of questions on CA when she was interviewed. Nick Miller sent me a PM on those questions and assured me that Danny had only received a $20.00 royalty - ever!
Was this one of the things that set Nick Miller out for a search?
Nick said there were no other co-operations. Did he finally figure out differently, because later he found out that Danny WAS receiving big bucks in royalties?
Not even the 3ABN board knew he was receiving all these royalties!
Yeah, it all makes perfect sense to me now.
Linda,
Get some one that can really dig! There is a gold mine out there that is ½ yours!
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Ian, you appear to be confused.
If DLS Publishing isn't the author, why is DLS (incorporated Nov. 30, 2004) getting royalties on a book that was nearly complete in May 2004?
Mending Broken People says that 3ABN Books is the publisher of Antichrist Agenda. That was really odd since MBP is copyrighted 2005, and AA is copyrighted 2004. Why would a book published later get the publisher wrong on a book published earlier?
Now we know the answer, thanks to the 11/04 issue of 3ABN World. MBP was done first, and the change of publisher for AA was made after MBP was completed.
That makes it even clearer that there was a delay in publishing MBP. If AA came out in 2004, so did MBP, but it apparently didn't.
Ian, according to 3ABN, how early is copy done for 3ABN World? Do they give it to the printer the day before it arrives in people's mailboxes? Or do they give it to the printer a month in advance?
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So why did the 11/04 issue go missing?
If the 9/04 issue went missing to hide the fact that Antichrist Agenda is marital property, then the 11/04 issue probably went missing to hide the fact that MBP is marital property too, and/or to hide the fact that its being published was delayed in order to make it appear that it came out later than it did.
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DLS publishing is Danny Shelton's personal company, not 3abn's, and he and it had nothing to do with authoring or publishing "Mending broken people" or the other books you mention...
Why's he getting royalties on it then?
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Ian, you appear to be confused.
If DLS Publishing isn't the author, why is DLS (incorporated Nov. 30, 2004) getting royalties on a book that was nearly complete in May 2004?
It isn't, and didn't. Why do you make things up? This is why posting proof is good so people can see for themselves what to believe instead of you just pontificating.
Mending Broken People says that 3ABN Books is the publisher of Antichrist Agenda. That was really odd since MBP is copyrighted 2005, and AA is copyrighted 2004. Why would a book published later get the publisher wrong on a book published earlier?
again, a quote would be nice... and just because 3abn sells a book it doesn't mean they published the book... nor does it mean Danny gets the money from those sales, any profits would go to the 3abn ministry, not him.. Also as should be a given, the books themselves are a better verification and proof of who the publisher is. What does the Antichrist Agenda book say, Bob? Hint you can find the answer at your local book and bible store and on their website also...
Now we know the answer, thanks to the 11/04 issue of 3ABN World. MBP was done first, and the change of publisher for AA was made after MBP was completed.
That makes it even clearer that there was a delay in publishing MBP. If AA came out in 2004, so did MBP, but it apparently didn't.
:hamster: :hamster: :hamster:
Ian, according to 3ABN, how early is copy done for 3ABN World? Do they give it to the printer the day before it arrives in people's mailboxes? Or do they give it to the printer a month in advance?
You are big on questions and demands and short on answers... so I am not terribly inclined to go do your work for you. sorry.
Why don't you find out these things yourself before publishing your unsupported and false "theories" and "judgments"? It will help keep you honest and credible imo. smile.
Make sense?
And btw, just because you keep saying "they went missing" doesn't mean they did, or that there was a conspiracy about why they didn't get uploaded.. But why start letting the facts get in the way now??
I have spent enough time on this topic, toodles..
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Ian, you appear to be confused.
If DLS Publishing isn't the author, why is DLS (incorporated Nov. 30, 2004) getting royalties on a book that was nearly complete in May 2004?
It isn't, and didn't. Why do you make things up? This is why posting proof is good so people can see for themselves what to believe instead of you just pontificating.
What does the contract say, Ian? Or did you forget to download that exhibit from PACER?
Mending Broken People says that 3ABN Books is the publisher of Antichrist Agenda. That was really odd since MBP is copyrighted 2005, and AA is copyrighted 2004. Why would a book published later get the publisher wrong on a book published earlier?
again, a quote would be nice... and just because 3abn sells a book it doesn't mean they published the book... nor does it mean Danny gets the money from those sales, any profits would go to the 3abn ministry, not him.. Also as should be a given, the books themselves are a better verification and proof of who the publisher is. What does the Antichrist Agenda book say, Bob? Hint you can find the answer at your local book and bible store and on their website also...
Not sure what you mean here.
Danny made hefty profits by selling AA to 3ABN.
My copy of AA says that DLS published it. Seen the copy of that on PACER?
As far as the quote goes from MBP, seen that on PACER?
Ian, according to 3ABN, how early is copy done for 3ABN World? Do they give it to the printer the day before it arrives in people's mailboxes? Or do they give it to the printer a month in advance?
You are big on questions and demands and short on answers... so I am not terribly inclined to go do your work for you. sorry.
Why don't you find out these things yourself before publishing your unsupported and false "theories" and "judgments"? It will help keep you honest and credible imo. smile.
Make sense?
Not at all. You wrote as if you knew the facts. If you don't, you shouldn't have written that way.
And btw, just because you keep saying "they went missing" doesn't mean they did, or that there was a conspiracy about why they didn't get uploaded.. But why start letting the facts get in the way now??
Never said anything about why they didn't get uploaded, because they did get uploaded. They were deleted!
Who deleted those issues and why? Was it all a conspiracy to hide Danny's profits so that Linda couldn't get any?
The best evidence Steve Nelson can give to the contrary is to restore those missing issues pronto. Every day they remain missing from 3ABN's website is further evidence that there has been a conspiracy to hide the fact that AA and MBP are marital property.
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So why did the 11/04 issue go missing?
If the 9/04 issue went missing to hide the fact that Antichrist Agenda is marital property, then the 11/04 issue probably went missing to hide the fact that MBP is marital property too, and/or to hide the fact that its being published was delayed in order to make it appear that it came out later than it did.
And btw, just because you keep saying "they went missing" doesn't mean they did, or that there was a conspiracy about why they didn't get uploaded.. But why start letting the facts get in the way now??
Never said anything about why they didn't get uploaded, because they did get uploaded. They were deleted!
Who deleted those issues and why? Was it all a conspiracy to hide Danny's profits so that Linda couldn't get any?
The best evidence Steve Nelson can give to the contrary is to restore those missing issues pronto. Every day they remain missing from 3ABN's website is further evidence that there has been a conspiracy to hide the fact that AA and MBP are marital property.
Ok Bob, I'm back. Enough is enough! You are spreading lies here, and you really need to stop. For shame.
There is no conspiracy. Those issues never went missing because first of all they were mailed out to a whole lot of subscribers, and second they were NEVER on the 3abn website. They never got uploaded ever!
It isn't just your 2 issues which are not on the 3abn website in pdf format it is all of the issues for the year 2004.
Why? well because it wasn't till Feb 2, 2007 that any issues of World Magazine were uploaded to 3abn's website in pdf format, and the oldest edition uploaded at that time was September 2006.
How do I know this? a little thing called the internet archives...
This is the first time they appeared on the website:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070206111410/www.3abn.org/magazine.cfm
See for yourself.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/www.3abn.org
Here's a year ago...
http://web.archive.org/web/20070820054624/www.3abn.org/magazine.cfm
It is only recently that those before Sept 2006 were added and they still only go back to 2005...
http://www.3abn.org/magazine.cfm
Learn to prove things!
(edited to add current link to magazine archives, and quote)
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There is no conspiracy. Those issues never went missing because first of all they were mailed out to a whole lot of subscribers, and second they were NEVER on the 3abn website. They never got uploaded ever!
False. Absolutely false.
It isn't just your 2 issues which are not on the 3abn website in pdf format it is all of the issues for the year 2004.
How did I download the 10/04 and 12/04 issues?
Why? well because it wasn't till Feb 2, 2007 that any issues of World Magazine were uploaded to 3abn's website in pdf format, and the oldest edition uploaded at that time was September 2006.
You're wrong again.
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Ian click on the following link why don't you.
http://web.archive.org/web/20041129090706/http://www.3abn.org/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20041129090706/http://www.3abn.org/)
If you go back through the months you will find that 3ABN has been posting PDF version of "Catch The Vision" and then "3ABN World" for many years prior to 2007. Its all right there in the archives now isn't it.
George
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Ian click on the following link why don't you.
http://web.archive.org/web/20041129090706/http://www.3abn.org/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20041129090706/http://www.3abn.org/)
If you go back through the months you will find that 3ABN has been posting PDF version of "Catch The Vision" and then "3ABN World" for many years prior to 2007. Its all right there in the archives now isn't it.
George
Yes George you are correct. 3abn uploaded each month's version on their home page and each issue was available there for for that month.
I was wrong in stating that issues for 2004 were never uploaded to their website. My apologies.
To be more precise--> 3abn began to archive old issues and added a link to that archive on their main page in Feb 2007. At that time the oldest issue available was Sept 2006. None of the 2004 issues have ever been available in that archive page on 3abn, as the internet archives also show.
This may change. Recently the issues from Jan - August 2006 and all of the issues for 2005 were added to the archive on 3abn's website. Perhaps 2004 will be next...
better? :)
..ian
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Yes George you are correct. 3abn uploaded each months version on their home page and were available there for for that month only.
I was wrong in stating that issues for 2004 were never on their website. My apologies.
To be more precise--> 3abn began to archive old issues and added a link to that archive on their main page in Feb 2007. At that time the oldest issue available was Sept 2006. None of the 2004 issues have ever been available in that archive page on 3abn, as the internet archives also show.
This may not always be true as recently the issues from Jan - August 2006 and all of the issues for 2005 were added to the archive on 3abn's website. Perhaps 2004 will be next...
better? :)
Time and research (done by people who have the time and inclination) will tell.
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This may not always be true as recently the issues from Jan - August 2006 and all of the issues for 2005 were added to the archive on 3abn's website. Perhaps 2004 will be next...
They are trying to hide the 2004 issues. The two in question were deleted, as was the 8/05 issue.
See if you can find the 8/05 issue. It isn't there. The link is dead.
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Ian;
They files are alive! Then the files are dead! Then the files are resurected! Just like in Bibe times. This has to be documented for sure so it can be passed on for the following generations!
Have you by chance been stealing my files? How did you know that Nick Miller said the royalties were only $20.00? Where did the rest of "Linda's" royalties go? She was supposed to receive royalties, where are they?
Did you get a copy of the PM? Did Danny tell you what it was? 3ABN kept his computer files at 3ABN. Maybe it was Danny that fed Nick that false information.
You really need to read all those things you put up for download. Some may jump up and bite you in the kazoo!
Face it, we are witnessing things done in secret coming back out in the open to bite someone!
Give it up, the documents speak volumes. Get your reading glasses and read the writing on the wall. It is you that are actuaaly the factually challenged one. Go home a put your lies on your own space! We know better now.
I am taking all the documents and reading them in order now. It is a lot of reading, Doc 152 has only 14 pages of line items, However, the remaining 200 pages are exhibits! All very revealing!
Everyone should read them all! It looks like the trial is still going. I thought 3ABN was claiming it was over? A lot has been going on!
It ain't over! The judges remarks were sort of funny!
Someone needs to publish the documents in order and publish them! Exciting reading. Especially all the exhibits. I am missing a few though.
The judge has a clue what is going on. Shows he can read! He knows the story of David and Goliath for sure!
I will be back after reading more and cutting and pasting contracts and other exhibits.
Bob,
Shame on you for not posting this document and telling all of us to read it for sure! This a doozie for sure!
Ian;
Toddles, for now, I am off for more reading!
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So you liked the magistrate judge from southern Illinois, huh?
Simpson told me he was thinking about letting me have the auditor's stuff, since relevancy issues had already been decided by Hillman.
Then after he told me that, look what he told the magistrate in southern Illinois, how Hillman was still dealing with relevancy, something like that.
Why would he tell me one thing and then tell the court in southern Illinois something different?
What shall it profit a man, if he gain the world and lose his own soul?
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Lying is in his job description! Tell the jusdge what he did on the next round again like you did before! These judges are smartening up that is for sure! I thouoght the judge was very revealing in his comments even though he said, "If this is true." He surely isn't a stupid Judge for sure!
I am Downloading all the 3ABN Worlds that I missed. May of 2005 isn't there either. It says it is, but the link says No, No.
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May 2005, I can get that one just fine. Shelley is on the cover.
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I went back & tried again and got that one, but can't get 8/2005 yet.
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The 8/05 issue has been gone for a long, long time.
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Ian, you appear to be confused.
If DLS Publishing isn't the author, why is DLS (incorporated Nov. 30, 2004) getting royalties on a book that was nearly complete in May 2004?
It isn't, and didn't. Why do you make things up? This is why posting proof is good so people can see for themselves what to believe instead of you just pontificating.
Cindy, take a look at the Mending Broken People contract (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/miwd-08mc00003/miwd-08mc00003-doc-38-10.pdf).
Now, tell us what you think about DLS receiving royalties for a book that was written prior to DLS being incorporated, and about all this being hidden from Linda so that she couldn't get her fair share.
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Well, as my mother would say, "Well, I do declare" when she realized something she did not know!
Sometimes she would say, "Well, now, eat them apples"! It was said nicely and not in anger. It was her "Surprised" remarks. Thank you for posting the contract.
I hsve to say I am not surprised.
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Ian, you appear to be confused.
If DLS Publishing isn't the author, why is DLS (incorporated Nov. 30, 2004) getting royalties on a book that was nearly complete in May 2004?
It isn't, and didn't. Why do you make things up? This is why posting proof is good so people can see for themselves what to believe instead of you just pontificating.
Cindy, take a look at the Mending Broken People contract (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/miwd-08mc00003/miwd-08mc00003-doc-38-10.pdf).
Now, tell us what you think about DLS receiving royalties for a book that was written prior to DLS being incorporated, and about all this being hidden from Linda so that she couldn't get her fair share.
What do I think? I still think you are way of base... and wonder what this really has to do with the dismissed lawsuit, or your appeal AND:
when did you start working for the Linda Shelton legal team Bob?
For clarification purposes:
DLS publishing is/was not the author as Bob claims, above.
The above contract (he just provided) in par 1 and 15 states that "Family Matters ministry" is the sole author, and that DLS publishing receives 3% for contributing to the development of the work.
The book being nearly completed by May 2004 is an unproven "theory" of Bob's and has nothing to do with anything anyway as there is no legal precedent for Bob's premise and argument and I am not going to argue about it as "Anyman" already pointed this out to him very eloquently in reference to the 10 commandments book:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1067.msg18524.html#msg18524
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1067.msg18526.html#msg18526
"DLS publishing being incorporated almost 6 mos after the divorce had nothing to do with hiding things from an ex-wife so that she wouldn't get her fair share. That is another of Bob's unproven theories.
To recap:
Linda and Danny were divorced in June 2004
DLS publishing was incorporated on Nov 30 2004
The "Pacific Press" publishing contract for the "Mending Broken People" book is dated Jan 6 2005.
Toodles..
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What do I think? I still think you are way of base... and wonder what this really has to do with the dismissed lawsuit, or your appeal ...
How can you say such a thing?
The lawsuit accused us of saying that Danny lied regarding divorce-related proceedings. Danny failed to disclose that he was getting royalties from this book in his 2006 financial affidavit.
For clarification purposes:
DLS publishing is/was not the author as Bob claims, above.
Where did I claim that DLS Publishing was the author?
The above contract (he just provided) in par 1 and 15 states that "Family Matters ministry" is the sole author, and that DLS publishing receives 3% for contributing to the development of the work.
The book being nearly completed by May 2004 is an unproven "theory" of Bob's ...
No it isn't. The book itself in the epilogue says that the finishing touches on the last few chapters were being done in May 2004. That clearly proves the book was nearly completed by May 2004.
Could you try to be more accurate in your statements?
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"DLS publishing being incorporated almost 6 mos after the divorce had nothing to do with hiding things from an ex-wife so that she wouldn't get her fair share. That is another of Bob's unproven theories.
To recap:
Linda and Danny were divorced in June 2004
DLS publishing was incorporated on Nov 30 2004
The "Pacific Press" publishing contract for the "Mending Broken People" book is dated Jan 6 2005.
Toodles..
Don't you just love IAN's recap and especially the legal implications that go with it, or should we say illegal implications that go with it?
Now let's see, we know that back to 1999 Danny and Linda shared a business known as D & L Publishing, except, Linda did not benefit from the proceeds of this business nor did she have access to the account that served as the D&L Publishing proceeds.
There clearly would have been ongoing royalty payments from "book deals" and we know that TCTR was a result of a prior to divorce published book. We also know that Danny filed an affidavit with the court and did not disclose royalties, whether it be from D&L or DLS and we know that Danny had received a substantial royalty payment by the time of the affidavit. Therefore, we know that Danny lied under oath.
Now, lets proceed to the very next suppositon, that the royalties and book deal payments from D & L were clearly moved into a new corporation known as DLS Publishing. Since Linda clearly had a 50% interest in those dollars that became the capitalization for the new business, is it safe to assume that Linda has a 50% stake in the shares of DLS Publishing??? Ah, but yes and Kurt will prove it!!! Believe me, KURT WILL PROVE IT.
Therefore, given that Linda had a 50% interest in the unliquidated assetts of D&L that capitalized DLS Publishing, that would logically lead one to the conclusion that she had an unliquidated interest, and continues to have the same, in 50% of all royalties for DLS Publishing.
Now IAN, want to challenge this supposition? Would that make you on the opposite side of womens equal rights? Or would you like to take a position that women are really persona non grata in Illinois corporate law??? HUM-M-M!!! Pick you poison, IAN.
IN SUMMARY:
DANNY LEE SHELTON DID COMMIT PERJURY AND DANNY LEE SHELTON DID ATTEMPT TO HIDE MARITAL ASSETS FROM HIS WIFE AND SOLICITED OTHER ENTITIES TO SERVE AS CO-CONSPIRATORS IN HIS ILLEGAL ATTEMPTS TO DECEIVE THE COURT AND HIS WIFE AND TO HIDE ASSETS.
Want the names of the co-conspirators and participants?
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUREPORTER