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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Cindy on February 20, 2009, 10:49:26 AM
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I called the clerk's office in the Massachusetts 1st circuit court of appeals this morning because the deadline for Pickle and Joy filing their brief in their appeal case regarding the dismissal of the lawsuit against them has come and gone, and there has been nothing new added on PACER. They already asked for and were granted an extension for filing.
I was told that neither Pickle or Joy have bothered to file anything, even though the deadline for doing so was 02/18/09
I posted about this on the other forum, but I am not allowed to give a link to that here as it is against the rules of this forum. ( my apologies)
On the off chance that the name of the thread from the other forum will be allowed here without censorship, it is
"Lawsuit update -- No appeal brief filed by Pickle or Joy"
More will be being posted. Discussion there, as well as explanations and answers are welcomed.
..ian
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Ian,
Read the rules, and you'll understand. It makes total sense.
I highly doubt you were told that neither of us "have bothered to file anything."
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Isn't nice of Ian to be so interested in your affairs Bob? Maybe she could be your personal assistant...
Ian, why don't you let us all know when you find the appellant brief on PACER, OK?
And by the way, no need to apologize for the rules here. I'd say it would be the rules (or lack thereof) on your own smut site you probably should be concerned with!!
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Ian,
Read the rules, and you'll understand. It makes total sense.
I highly doubt you were told that neither of us "have bothered to file anything."
Bob,
I'm sorry, sigh.. I did read the rules, but I don't understand. I really tried to figure out what you were referring to, but I just don't get what rule you are talking about. I guess I need you to help me by explaining what rule and how this makes total sense. Can you, please?
And Bob, if there is some mistake, then I am sure we can both agree that it needs to be straightened out asap. Here is the contact information for the appeals court just in case you or another wants to call as I did and ask questions, or do that. They were very polite, helpful, and informative when I called.
http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/clerksoffice.htm
I will also post all the information that I do have, such as the court docket and the available documents, and even a link to all of the rules on the other forum, if you need any of that. smile
Thank you so much,
..ian
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No need for me to call the 1st Cir. clerk. They know the rules. Even though I'm pro se, I wouldn't want to look stupid.
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Let's see. When does one have to file one's tax return? What do you have to do on that date in order to file?
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Let's see. When does one have to file one's tax return? What do you have to do on that date in order to file?
Umm, I don't know. Drop it in the US mail?
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Let's see. When does one have to file one's tax return? What do you have to do on that date in order to file?
Umm, I don't know. Drop it in the US mail?
Umm, So, Bob... is that what all the cryptic comments are about? you dropped the brief in the mail on the due date, and are claiming that like your income tax return the postmark makes it on time?
You keep referring me to the rules, but where is that rule exactly?
And even if so, knowing the court doesn't have it yet, why would you post "Appellant brief filed", and claim "It was a lot of work, but we got it done and filed on Wednesday." instead of just honestly and plainly saying that it was mailed on Wednesday?
Also Bob...
Will the court also be receiving a request via mail asking for permission to file untimely?
Yes _____ ~OR~ No _____
Doesn't that need to be done and permission granted before your brief will be considered filed?
Yes _____ ~OR~ No _____
Thank you.
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Honestly, Cindy, why do you obsess so much about this? I don't get it.
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Honestly, Cindy, why do you obsess so much about this? I don't get it.
Well I could maybe answer that if you could explain why my "obsession" is the only one worth commenting on, and asking about.
Any one else besides me with obsessions around here? ;)
Peace, Duane.
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Well I could maybe answer that if you could explain why my "obsession" is the only one worth commenting on, and asking about.
Any one else besides me with obsessions around here? ;)
Peace, Duane.
There was a non-answer if I've ever heard one.
All I did was ask a simple question. I wasn't trying to interrogate you. I'm just trying to understand why someone who says they have no connection with 3ABN or the Sheltons is so interested in every minute detail of this lawsuit and every allegation that is brought forth.
If you don't want to answer, that's certainly your prerogative. I can respect that. Life goes on.
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Well I could maybe answer that if you could explain why my "obsession" is the only one worth commenting on, and asking about.
Any one else besides me with obsessions around here? ;)
Peace, Duane.
There was a non-answer if I've ever heard one.
All I did was ask a simple question. I wasn't trying to interrogate you. I'm just trying to understand why someone who says they have no connection with 3ABN or the Sheltons is so interested in every minute detail of this lawsuit and every allegation that is brought forth.
If you don't want to answer, that's certainly your prerogative. I can respect that. Life goes on.
Duane, I found your inquiry to be spot-on. And the non-answer was just that. You and I and several here have unfortunate, first-hand experience with 3ABN and/or Danny Shelton. I gave weeks of my time and professional expertise in addition to a substantial donation, all of which I now fiercely regret. I am NOT convinced that my money didn't go to line Danny Shelton's pockets rather than to help spread the story of Jesus as I originally believed to be the case. I intend to fight this battle to the end as I don't enjoy being conned into donating my hard-earned money to a deceiver. If that is obsession, then so be it.
Cindy, what's your excuse? I have a suspicion that you are motivated in part by one ex-attorney who has a bone to pick with Gailon.
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Umm, So, Bob... is that what all the cryptic comments are about? you dropped the brief in the mail on the due date, and are claiming that like your income tax return the postmark makes it on time?
You keep referring me to the rules, but where is that rule exactly?
And even if so, knowing the court doesn't have it yet, why would you post "Appellant brief filed", and claim "It was a lot of work, but we got it done and filed on Wednesday." instead of just honestly and plainly saying that it was mailed on Wednesday?
Also Bob...
Will the court also be receiving a request via mail asking for permission to file untimely?
Yes _____ ~OR~ No _____
Doesn't that need to be done and permission granted before your brief will be considered filed?
Yes _____ ~OR~ No _____
Thank you.
My! So if you file your tax return on April 15 by sticking it in the mail, are you a liar if you say you filed it? Do you have to ask permission to file untimely if you mailed it by April 15?
It is hard for me to fathom that you would ask the questions you did. And that you would suggest at your smut site that we didn't file a brief simply because the courthouse didn't get it yet.
I already told you to read the rules, more than once. Which you obviously haven't done.
It's Fed.R.App.P. 25(a)(2)(B).
We timely filed the brief by mailing it on Wednesday. All 100 pounds and 9800+ pages worth.
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1. Snipped the non responsive and unrelated IRS example and questions.
2. Snipped the outraged innocence act and ad hominem
3. Snipped the casting of blame and scolding
"It's Fed.R.App.P. 25(a)(2)(B)."
Thank you for finally answering. After watching you dance around for days, it's very refreshing and appreciated.
We timely filed the brief by mailing it on Wednesday.
Smile. Of course, to be "precise", you really mean "You mailed the brief with first class postage on Wednesday in order to have it be considered as filed on time when the court receives it"? ;)
All 100 pounds and 9800+ pages worth.
Wow. That gives a whole new meaning to the word "brief". lol
Seriously I look forward to reading it. Of course it would be easier if you just posted it, and shared it with me and everyone else as you did with Snoopy.. But as you don't appear to want to do that, I'll have to order it from the court and share it with everyone who is interested myself. I'm certainly glad I don't have to pay for every copy and page you sent...
Have a good day, Bob :)
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I think your saying the IRS example was non responsive and unrelated is downright rude. It was neither non responsive nor unrelated.
And talking about dancing around for days, could you please get your facts straight? This discussion started on Friday, and I cited the specific rule, since you apparently were having trouble finding it, on Saturday night. How is that days?
The bottom line is that you spread the false rumor that we had missed our deadline, because you either didn't read the rules or didn't understand what you read. And I personally do not appreciate your spreading falsehoods about our case.
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I think your saying the IRS example was non responsive and unrelated is downright rude. It was neither non responsive nor unrelated.
You are entitled to your opinion, it doesn't affect mine, Bob...
And talking about dancing around for days, could you please get your facts straight? This discussion started on Friday, and I cited the specific rule, since you apparently were having trouble finding it, on Saturday night. How is that days?
I am very sorry. Take 2:
Thank you for finally answering. After posting on Friday, February 20, 2009, at 01:49:26 PM EST and then watching you dance around for 30 hrs, 53 min and 3 seconds in 2 different threads and in multiple posts, all in reply to mine, it's very refreshing and appreciated to finally get a straight answer to at least one of my questions on Saturday, February 21, at 08:42:29 PM EST.
The bottom line is that you spread the false rumor that we had missed our deadline, because you either didn't read the rules or didn't understand what you read. And I personally do not appreciate your spreading falsehoods about our case.
The bottom line for me is you are as quick to cause offense as you are to take it and your reading comprehension, interpretation and reporting skills are lacking as usual...
Allow me to quote from the thread....
Me: "Despite the court documents filed, and the posts and claims made by both Gailon Joy and Bob Pickle regarding all of this, the deadline for their appeal brief has come and gone and neither of them has filed one according to the court."
Question to me:
"So you're saying that Pickle/Joy missed their appeal deadline? Wasn't this the one they had asked for additional time to file on?"
Me:
"It certainly looks like they did, but I don't know for sure if they missed it as Pickle keeps hinting about some rule. If they didn't then they certainly waited till the very last moment to file their brief, and yes on Jan 5th they filed a motion asking for more time to file. The original due date was Jan 19th.
..he started a new thread announcing that the appellant brief had been filed on Wednesday,(which was the due date) about a minute before I did. Since then he seems to be hinting in his other posts that he actually mailed it on Wednesday.
Mailed and filed are 2 different things to most people, and I keep trying but asking for a straight answer or explanation from Pickle always seems to be a futile exercise, so who knows...."
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me:
I have no idea what Pickle means or which rules he is referring to when he keeps saying: "Read the rules, and you'll understand. It makes total sense."
huh? :? To me this is rather like asking someone specific questions related to a doctrine, and having them keep answering with the same thing: " read the bible and you'll understand, it makes total sense"
There are a lot of rules concerning filing briefs in an appeal case...
IMO, since you were already taking the time to reply to my posts, it would have been much easier and less time consuming if you had simply answered my questions in a straight forward manner at that time, instead of all the dancing around.
toodles...
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It isn't my opinion that my illustration regarding filing a tax return was related and responsive. It's a fact. Putting the tax return in the mail is considered filing it, and the situation is essentially the same regarding filing a brief during an appeal.
You spread false rumors on your site rather than first having gotten the facts. An apology is in order.
Telling you that you needed to read the rules wasn't dancing around. It was answering your question.
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Understand you, some don't. Watch Star Wars, some here have not. Like reading Shakespeare, it may be. The most powerful in the dark side of the force, trained Jedi are. Paduan on both sides there are. Large, the forces of the Emperor are and but a small part of the armada, the Death Star is. Beware the embrace of the dark side.
(This post was made in response to the above post which Yoda removed - GA)
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I for one am pleased to see that post removed......I don't appreciate references to such things as Star Wars characters, since I look at that whole movie series to be of the devil and a total disregard for what we as Seventh Day Adventist Christians, are suppose to be all about.......I really don't want to read statements put in the form of some Dark Side creature in this Adventist forum.......we are following the unchristian actions of some who are suppose to be spreading the last days message, as they continue to torment and aggravate good Christian Men who are only trying to reveal sin in the camp of a Christian broadcast station.........I do appreciate most here and the attempts as they continue to bring to light the undercover sin going on......................Thank you Bob and Snoopy and Fran for your continued updates to us......................... :TY:
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I for one am pleased to see that post removed......I don't appreciate references to such things as Star Wars characters, since I look at that whole movie series to be of the devil and a total disregard for what we as Seventh Day Adventist Christians, are suppose to be all about.......I really don't want to read statements put in the form of some Dark Side creature in this Adventist forum.......we are following the unchristian actions of some who are suppose to be spreading the last days message, as they continue to torment and aggravate good Christian Men who are only trying to reveal sin in the camp of a Christian broadcast station.........I do appreciate most here and the attempts as they continue to bring to light the undercover sin going on......................Thank you Bob and Snoopy and Fran for your continued updates to us......................... :TY:
Thank you for that, judibug. I was a bit uncomfortable with the repeated references to Star Wars as well, and they were only getting worse. There is no room in my life for science fiction - I hate it and refuse to watch any of it. You have confirmed my discomfort.
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I am so well informed that I did not even recognise the origin of the language....I am totally bored by the whole Star Wars
scenario but I realise there really is a darker side to that kind of fiction.
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I called the clerk's office in the Massachusetts 1st circuit court of appeals this morning because the deadline for Pickle and Joy filing their brief in their appeal case regarding the dismissal of the lawsuit against them has come and gone, and there has been nothing new added on PACER. They already asked for and were granted an extension for filing.
I was told that neither Pickle or Joy have bothered to file anything, even though the deadline for doing so was 02/18/09
I posted about this on the other forum, but I am not allowed to give a link to that here as it is against the rules of this forum. ( my apologies)
On the off chance that the name of the thread from the other forum will be allowed here without censorship, it is
"Lawsuit update -- No appeal brief filed by Pickle or Joy"
More will be being posted. Discussion there, as well as explanations and answers are welcomed.
..ian
Well Cindy, it looks like they "bothered to file" after all, huh? I guess you were wrong...
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I believe that no comments should be made about things we don't understand or are not sure. Star Wars is not evil or demonic in any way. In fact, news flash, it is exactly the opposite. If you care to see, it is about as obvious as the Chronicles of Narnia series. It is, at it's base and great struggle between good and evil......The Force = God, the Dark Side = Satan....see...simple.
That said, I can, however, understand, if you are not into scifi and simply did not get the references, I believe it was a bit inappropriate to use them also, and I absolutely love the series. However, we are in a public(genrally SDA) forum where all are not familiar with it(even quite afraid of it), and it does little to convey one's thoughts effectively.
Sorry for waundering off topic for a bit, I just hate to see us misinformed and ignorant of facts. It severely limits our credibility when we are witnessing to others.
I am so well informed that I did not even recognise the origin of the language....I am totally bored by the whole Star Wars
scenario but I realise there really is a darker side to that kind of fiction.
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The Force was not a personal God but was an impersonal power that could be manipulated and used at will for good or for evil by the initiated.
That kind of picture is more in harmony with the occult than with biblical Christianity.
It is to be expected that error should have some similarities to truth. But it is the differences that we should note.
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I really do have an answer for you, Bob, but I am not a patient enough teacher remedial situations. I do much better is SS in a class of folks who have studied and have at least some comprehension of the subject at hand. Sooooooo, as i said....we will leave this alone.......cuz folks is just posting in fear........which is definitely not from God. this chapter of Star Wars is now closed.
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I have not read much of Narnia - I greatly enjoy and appreciate CS Lewis many other works, but most of the allegorical and his idea of Northerness or whatever he called it,
do not touch any chords in me. That is just a statement, not a criticism, and not a comment on those who enjoy such work. ( I think the concepts he brought out in The Great Divorce are brilliant.)
I have read some of the sci-fi of a generation ago - Arthur C Clarke, John Wyndam - and enjoyed it. I am not sure how much similarity there is between then and now.
So Di - I can take your comments on board - and leave you to enjoy Star Wars - without me ;D
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All 100 pounds and 9800+ pages worth.
Wow. That gives a whole new meaning to the word "brief". lol
Seriously I look forward to reading it. Of course it would be easier if you just posted it, and shared it with me and everyone else as you did with Snoopy.. But as you don't appear to want to do that, I'll have to order it from the court and share it with everyone who is interested myself. I'm certainly glad I don't have to pay for every copy and page you sent...
Have a good day, Bob :)
As I am sitting here watching the day dawn in the eastern sky, I have cause to comtemplate whether Ian will really read that master-peice casually referred to as a brief?
I wonder if IAN will ever get to a point where IAN and her ILK realizes just how abusive and fraudulent the Danny Lee Shelton administration of 3ABN proved to be and just how much he personally enriched himself by the abuse of his position;
Or just what a profound lie it is that he had any basis, biblical or otherwise, to dump the old grey mare and take up with a young filly;
Or just how vicious it is for the 3ABN Board of directors to continue to conduct their filthy effort to discredit Linda Sue Shelton when the evidence is so clear that their own MENTOR, Danny Lee Shelton lacks credibility and snookered them into participating in one of the largest frauds in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church;
Or what a hypocricy it is to pretend that you are the "Three Angels" message personified when you are hateful, deceitful and unforgiving in the most decisive way.
Perhaps on day the Day will dawn, even for IAN!!! Let us hope it is before the Second Coming.
Enjoy reading the brief while we wait for the spin control from the miscreants of SDA televangelism gone awry!!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Er...uh...Gailon... did you really mean to refer to Linda as bolded below, OR are you saying that was Danny's state of mind?
Or just what a profound lie it is that he had any basis, biblical or otherwise, to dump the old grey mare and take up with a young filly;
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I can't wait to read this "brief"! Where can I get a copy? If it isn't going to be posted, would someone please send me a copy with all the exhibits?
Good to see you post Gailon. You have been quiet for a while.
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Did not think that I would ever post on here again because of wasted time on a few closed seared brains for what is right and what is wrong against the ones that are fighting for the right,but can not believe, in fact so appalled that I must state that or ask-----Are these Star War viewers teaching in our SDA Sabbath Schools???? I have never wanted to see one episode as the advertisement years ago was enough of develish insanity-- not science. Stupid stuff to close the minds of the followers of no reality. I should have known who would stand up for this...Had a preacher a few years ago that watched it too. His mind was gone. All I can say is those that watch it are right in the groove of fatality.
The unbelievers on here of course should be excused.........
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I watched and read loads of Star Trek. Then in high school the devil would bring certain Star Trek plots back to my mind and use them to tempt me to doubt the existence of God.
What we fail to realize is that sometimes the one writing the script has an agenda, and that agenda is to persuade the viewers about a particular view. There was an episode of Daniel Boone that really was all about the Vietnamese War. It may affect us, and the effect may not occur till years later, as in my case with Star Trek.
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You guys have got to be kidding! Yes, Tinka, I do teach adults in SS, The pastor's class even, and he loves it when I teach! I have to admit that in all my years of Star Wars viewing and being a Trekkie, it never tempted to to doubt the existence of God, neither anyone I know. That is a most singular situation. What else might have been going on in your life at that time, Bob, that the enemy would perceive that as your area of weakness? I am just curious.
I am not saying that everyone should love scifi, in particular Star Wars. However, it is not necessary to demonize it, for no good reason, and then insist on judging one's chritianity as lacking because they do like it. We can all just have our likes and dislikes, just like I like the color red and you don't, etc. You know, "Can't we all just get along?" LOL!!! This is just hilarious! You all are a hoot for sure! Proceed........
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Di,
Some notable Adventist authors have pointed out that acceptance of the occult in America jumped after Star Trek. Star Trek took occultic phenomena and called it technology, or the abilities of aliens.
As far as my own experience goes, there was one Star Trek story, don't know if it was ever on screen, in which there was a character who was Lucifer. Another story which was on screen had a character who was the god Apollo. When I got to academy the devil used those plots to tempt me to think that the way those stories described Lucifer and the gods could be a true description of their origins or histories. But such ideas are unbiblical, and undermine faith in God's Word.
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Hum, this story is true and i have a roll of film proving it. However, I cannot put them on the Internet to protect the innocent.
My kids loved Star Wars and so did the children of the local SDA Church School teacher. They all knew it wasn't real. They laughed at some of the things. I did not think it hurt anything. As far as my children, none have been damaged for watching it, at least that I am aware of. I was really busy trying to keep them from ever seeing "Dirty Dancing"!
Time passed. The teachers daughter graduated college. She married her high school boyfriend. Some of my children got married. All Of our children married in the church, all were SDA's. The teachers daughter discovered her choice was homosexual! Yeah, he hid it well, however, it became apparent after the marriage. There wase a divorce. She has a great job making great money and fell in love with a guy she worked with. He is really good looking and so is she. My friend sent an email with all the wedding pictures. It said wedding pictures, but looked like a costume party. It was a Star Wars Wedding! I mean this seriously! There was a Budda placed on the table of honor right behind the Budist priestess. The wedding party was to the back of the couple as most people sit in a church wedding. However, The teacher, her husband & their son had to sit behind Budda!
I believe every character in Star Wars was there! The costumes were real! Every one of them were Trekkies. After our shock, we laughed at the sight of all those weirdo's. Then it was tears time when we learned that their daughter is now a Buddhist. I was sorry that I allowed my kids to watch it way back then. I praise God my kids don't like the series at all! Now, if I could just fix all the other mistakes I made!
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Well, I feel badly that th enemy played on your weaknesses and you were not able to continue to enjoy th movies. As far as some notable Adventist author as concened.......well, I'll keep that. As I said, I don't do well on the remedial level, it is very tiresome to me, especially in otherwise intellegent adults. Thanks for answering my some what nosey question. :-)
Fran, What in the world does turning Buddist have to do with Star Wars? By you own examples amongst all the children who loved the SW movies only two had issues, that frankly had nothing to do with SW. This is why this gets tiresome. All this stretching to make one's point........sigh.....you know I love you anyway, Gurl. :-)
Di,
Some notable Adventist authors have pointed out that acceptance of the occult in America jumped after Star Trek. Star Trek took occultic phenomena and called it technology, or the abilities of aliens.
As far as my own experience goes, there was one Star Trek story, don't know if it was ever on screen, in which there was a character who was Lucifer. Another story which was on screen had a character who was the god Apollo. When I got to academy the devil used those plots to tempt me to think that the way those stories described Lucifer and the gods could be a true description of their origins or histories. But such ideas are unbiblical, and undermine faith in God's Word.
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I have friends who are not Star Wars fans and some who are, who have left the church. Some are atheist, others are agnostic, buddhist, non-denominational, Mormon, etc. For me to blame Star Wars would be like saying that the sun rose because the rooster crowed. The one thing they all have in common is a strict Adventist upbringing in sheltered "self-supporting" environments.
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http://www.watchman.org/na/starwarsbeware.htm (http://www.watchman.org/na/starwarsbeware.htm)
Hadn't heard that before, that Darth Vader was born of a virgin, in fulfillment of old prophecies. Is that true?
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Hmmmmm. If I think back his mother says, when asked by Qui-Gon that she just remembers being pregnant, and there was no father. It said nothing about it being a virgin birth. However, it does seem infer something of an immaculate conception.......which mean it is based a biblical events........as I said. Also, if you think of the way the Senator Palpatine/The Emporer manipulates Anakin, playing on his own fears and weaknesses, it is definitely the way satan manipulates us. That is only a couple of examples that the series is not based in satanic themes. Also, the first thing that came to my mind when talking about the Force and the Dark side. All those who turn to the dark side started out "with" the Force, then chose the dark side. The same as Lucifer started out as an angel(created by God, and not just any angel)in Heaven, but chose sin, chose to question and then rebel against God. The force also cannot be maniluated, however those who blieve and trust in it, have blessings, abilites, etc. that are far beyond those who do not.......sound familiar? The same as the Chronicles of Narnia has Aslan giving his innocent life for the sins of another, because it is not so apparent we have more trouble making the connection with Star Wars and others.
Just want to say that I am sorry for my part in hijacking this thread. If someone wants to start a thread on this particular subject, I will look forward to participating, that is until it gets real stupid, sorry just my temperment that I don't do stupid very well. No patience, This is one of the areas in where God has to work with me......... :D
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The Review for Sept. 25, 2008, was the week of prayer issue. In the kids' section was a story about Kwame who was arguing that reading the latest book about a boy wizard was just fine, partly because "the story shows how good and evil fights things out and good wins." Carlos in the story didn't buy that, and the moral of the story was that "Satan will use things that seem harmless at first to mislead us."
If Star Wars taught that God is but a force, not a personal being, and that He can be used for good or evil by those who know how to, and if it taught the eastern philosophy that good and evil must be balanced, then there is a definite problem, in my opinion. The film was teaching eastern mysticism and pantheism, not truth.
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Bob, it doesn't teach anything about God, good or bad. It tells an entertaining fictional story that is meant to be fictional and entertain.
Princess Di, Qui Gon implied to Obi Wan that Anakin may have been concieved of midi chlorians.
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Somehow I think there are psychologists out there that would disagree with the statement that entertaining stories do not teach anything.
Now to get even further off topic, I recall a radio program on which a man who was involved with military training was being interviewed.
He said that every creature has a built in inhibition to killing its own. Piranhas, for example, fight each other with their tails, not their teeth. One of the greater hindrances to the military is the inhibition to pulling the trigger when face to face with another human being, and so the military purposely tries to overcome that.
The Japanese would have an enemy prisoner in a trench, and the soldiers in training would be above the trench. One would jump down to make his first kill while the others cheered. Then after they had all done that they would go out and celebrate with wine, women, and song.
What this military trainer was concerned about was the violence in films and in video games, rewarded positively by popcorn during intermissions and such. He was concerned about all this conditioning people to overcome their inhibitions since there wasn't the type of controls they have in the military. I guess in the military you are conditioned to kill only at certain times, but the media aren't conditioning people to act within certain limits.
Now, back to the off-topic topic. I think many or most psychologists would agree that entertaining stories condition the mind to think in certain ways, similar to this military trainer.
More to the point, if a film portrays pantheism and eastern mysticism as absolute truth, should we be repulsed or entertained by it?
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Depending on the story, maybe either or both. How about stories that portray other divergences to our doctrines? Would you watch a movie or read a book that depicts the dead as being and active? How about one that portrays the consumption of unclean meat as ok? I don't know. Again, depending on the story, I might be entertained, repulsed, spiritually enlightened or otherwise moved.
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"Would you watch a movie ...."
Can you guess what my answer might be? ;)
As far as reading material goes, there is some material that I wouldn't go around promoting that I have read or perused. But why did I read it? For entertainment? Not at all. Rather, I read or perused it in order to be able to explain why the material or the concepts it described had problems. The purpose was pastoral or evangelistic.
Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma was one, which has a bearing on the French Revolution, the deadly wound, 1798, and the occult.
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This is all interesting and such, but why is violating the following rule being allowed here?
4. Members agree to stay on the topic of a particular thread or to start a new topic. Members also agree to include the complete identifying header when quoting another post.
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This is all interesting and such, but why is violating the following rule being allowed here?
4. Members agree to stay on the topic of a particular thread or to start a new topic. Members also agree to include the complete identifying header when quoting another post.
Because, Daryl, after you resigned from the admin team, we revised our forum rules TOGETHER, discussed them amongst ourselves and decided how we wanted to interpret rule #4. We actually did that together, as a team, rather than continue with the dictator approach. You, as a member, are more than welcome to invoke rule #7 if you have a problem with the direction of a particular thread. However, a private report might serve your needs better than a public complaint.
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Asking as an Admin, exactly what was wrong with #4 as it stood? it is the same at BSDA. Sure there is some leniency for the way a thread can waunder natrually, but if you go completely off topic or even simislar and a completely different angle, then it is suggested that you start another thread.Youc an answer this in PM if you like. I was just curious, as it seems to be pretty standard.
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Greek Mythology,,
The powers of Lucifer and how he promised one third of the angels of becoming gods too....of the Sun, moon, stars,etc,etc,etc. to join with him.... After all he was the prince of the earth. He could be visible or non visible take on form the same as in the garden. Think that did not happen with their Satanic powers. His magical powers and all his wisdom was not taken from him as he was ejected out of Heaven and the evil gods of this earth. I believe the evil angels did take names Of god's of possessions, then used their magical powers and that went on until and to the Witch of Endor when at that time some of the worst knowledge of witchcraft in evil books were destroyed. I think maybe was it Saul in the end that did that?? OH yes, I believe the Greek Mythology was Satanic for real. Now we are warned of this still working craft, and in the Bible and to the modern day New devices of sudduction. Harry Potter must be quite entertaining to the star viewers. These are all the same tactics (just some worse the others) used to seal the mind and sub conscience that may pop up to use for fatal choices. In my life of how ever God made it for me or what I chose to do or what I have lived through , I never, ever had to be entertained with anything, with every thing in this world to do to for the sake of God, family and others. I do not even regret that I was not a game player, and low and behold as I read back in the days of EGW I do not think she had time for such intertainment herself. although I do like a good laugh when anything is a funny reality. and to tell the truth about myself ..if I get time and run across it you would hear me laughing at the BBC and "Keeping up with appearances" I enjoy the English. I find that I still have much to learn to the most important task of preparing for the biggest trip when there is no more time that I have to be worried about time wasted. Then I will probably grow flowers instead of vegetables. If I can make it ;)
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This is all interesting and such, but why is violating the following rule being allowed here?
4. Members agree to stay on the topic of a particular thread or to start a new topic. Members also agree to include the complete identifying header when quoting another post.
Because, Daryl, after you resigned from the admin team, we revised our forum rules TOGETHER, discussed them amongst ourselves and decided how we wanted to interpret rule #4. We actually did that together, as a team, rather than continue with the dictator approach.
You, as a member, are more than welcome to invoke rule #7 if you have a problem with the direction of a particular thread. However, a private report might serve your needs better than a public complaint.
Enough is enough! Were the words bolded in maroon really necessary from an administrator in public? Would the both of you take this private and keep it there?
Daryl,
I am sorry you were not aware of the rule change. I am sorry you had to find out in the above manner. I hope you will stick around.
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This is all interesting and such, but why is violating the following rule being allowed here?
4. Members agree to stay on the topic of a particular thread or to start a new topic. Members also agree to include the complete identifying header when quoting another post.
Because, Daryl, after you resigned from the admin team, we revised our forum rules TOGETHER, discussed them amongst ourselves and decided how we wanted to interpret rule #4. We actually did that together, as a team, rather than continue with the dictator approach.
You, as a member, are more than welcome to invoke rule #7 if you have a problem with the direction of a particular thread. However, a private report might serve your needs better than a public complaint.
Enough is enough! Were the words bolded in maroon really necessary from an administrator in public? Would the both of you take this private and keep it there?
Daryl,
I am sorry you were not aware of the rule change. I am sorry you had to find out in the above manner. I hope you will stick around.
You know what Fran? There was no "rule change" - just a change in interpretation. I responded to Daryl as I did because I am tired of his public jabs at administration since he left, both here and elsewhere. If you knew all the details, you might have a different perspective. Where is your righteous indignation over the way Daryl, ex-administrator here, has treated the rest of us? You can't answer that because you don't know. Never mind. Your viewpoint is obvious.
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Seems to me that this thread has run its course.