The human race must be a gullible lot.A sad amen to that.
Oh yes, I haven't seen Danny lately! Anyone know why?
Oh yes, I haven't seen Danny lately! Anyone know why?
The third video at http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/01/29/video-starving-womans-removal-from-cult-compound/ (http://beyond90seconds.com/2009/01/29/video-starving-womans-removal-from-cult-compound/) is where I think "Esther" tells the reporter she "lost all respect" for him.
Are there any parallels between the blind devotion some have given Danny Shelton and the blind devotion Jeff Bent, "Esther," and others have given Wayne Bent?
Just Curious, What are the Adventist standards to which Danny is so opposed? He may have fallen off the wagon as far as marraige went, but I see 3ABN(what little of I have seen) to be pretty fundamental in their adherence to SDA doctrine.
A bit off topic but I just read this on the 3ABN website in the section The History of 3ABN..
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President Danny Shelton hosts its flagship program, "3ABN Today."
Is that still true, that Danny is president? If not perhaps the site should be updated.
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I gotta ask it one more time- Fran, Pickle, and the rest of you folks who spend your time rooting around in the garbage dump of old gossip going to get a life?? When are you going to re-direct your focus into something worthwhile instead of going over the old 3ABN stuff?? *********, do you not have anything better to do?? There is a world out there dying for lack of the good news of the Gospel, what are any of you doing to get the Good news out?? Instead you do all you can to get the Gossip news out. God did not call anyone to spread gossip an nauseum. He wants folks to do all they can to help hasten His return. Sorry, but what you do here is not doing that!! Here is a challenge- try and do something that will Hasten the Lord's return, not retard it! And Mr Pickle- me thinks thou dost protest too much about charismatic cult leaders. You yourself seem to have a bent in that direction. Wake up man, you are on dangerous ground and you think you are safe and secure. "...take heed lest you fall"!
Edited to remove slang reference to the name of God.
You guys are so funny! First of all, Bob, the Gospel, the Good News of Jesus Christ is not conditional.
Secondly, you can't tell Danny when to repent no more that anyone tells you when to repent.
http://www.ministrywatch.com/pdf/PR_Copeland_041208.pdf
MinistryWatch.com’s Rusty Leonard Responds To Copeland’s Request For An IRS Audit
Matthews, N.C.--On Saturday, April 12, Kenneth Copeland Ministries (KCM) issued a statement criticizing Sen. Charles Grassley’s investigation into the finances of six televangelists. Copeland said Grassley had no constitutional basis for many of the 42 requests he originally made last November.
Copeland’s statement also said he “would be willing to fully cooperate with the IRS to ensure that the requested information is provided in a timely and efficient manner.” However, Rusty Leonard, the founder and president of MinistryWatch.com, said the response from Copeland was “deceptive and misleading.”
According to Leonard, “Copeland is trying to create the impression that he is being cooperative, when in fact he failed to comply with 25 of the 42 requests for information from Sen. Grassley. Now, he wants the IRS to continue the investigation, but only because IRS investigations are confidential. Copeland doesn’t want the public or his donors to see what he’s been doing, and that’s alarming. It screams that he his hiding something from KCM donors and the public.”
Leonard said that Copeland was clever by asking for the IRS to intervene, because it is his best chance to hold Grassley and the media at bay. “For many years the IRS has been under-resourced when it comes to this kind of investigation,” Leonard said. “An IRS investigation could take years, will be completely out of the public eye, and may result in nothing more than fines for KCM. Copeland has made a business decision that it’s far better for him to deal with the IRS in secret than to face Sen. Grassley or ’60 Minutes’ in public. One can only wonder what he might be trying to hide from his donors.”
Copeland should “come clean,” Leonard said, and fully disclose all requested information to both Grassley, to the donors to KCM, and to the public. “The idea that Copeland is standing on some constitutional principle is simply a diversion,” Leonard said.
Leonard added: “Copeland’s complaint about Sen. Grassley’s right to ask for this information is nothing more than a sideshow. KCM donors themselves have every right to ask for this information and Copeland has a moral obligation, that overrides any constitutional issue, to provide it. Donors are fortunate that Grassley is using his position to act on their behalf. We would have no problem with Copeland not giving the information to Sen. Grassley as long as he made the information public. Hiding behind the veil of the IRS, however, is unacceptable.”
“Grassley is not the issue, it is the lack of accountability and transparency at KCM,” Leonard said.
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Scripture and the Spirit of Prophecy both teach that salvation is a free gift that is conditional upon my acceptance of it, as well as confession, repentance, and, where possible, restitution.
RH 04-24-88 even says that we are justified on condition of future obedience.
Secondly, you can't tell Danny when to repent no more that anyone tells you when to repent.QuoteYou are absolutely correct.
However, when a Danny clone tries to deflect legitimate concerns by appealing to the need to preach the gospel, regarding which 3ABN is supposed to be countering the counterfeit, I think it important to point out that the gospel requires Danny Shelton, as well as all of us, to repent if we are to be saved. This point, in my opinion, counters that diversion tactic.
The problem is you believe that he has not repented, and you lack information or authority to make such a determination. Nothing says you have to know at which point Danny repents to God, as he only has to repent to God alone. You may never get that very public show of repentance you desire, as it is not owed. It does not mean that repentance has not taken place. God doesn't out your business ini the street like that. You, we all, rest asured that your repentance is between you and God....so it Danny's.
Well, let's complete this thought. It is conditional as it affects your life upon your acceptance. If it is a free gift, then it is free. It is there, you just have or have not accepted it.
I am not sure about the inptepretation from the RH reading. It sounds a bit off in that it is not supported by the Gift of Jesus Sacrifice. He saved us, died for us, while we were yet in our sins, not depending on future obedience. the ntire Plan of Salvation for was in the event man fell, not his future obedience, but his future disobedience.
Snoppy- you and the rest of your ilk here make me physically sick! This site is nothing but a bunch of gossip mongering sickos. Go ahead, strike me off the forum. You folks need help, and you are so blind, naked, wretched and miserable you cannot see the danger you are in. Some of you folks need to get a real life in Christ! You are all doing the work of the great enemy, not the work of Christ! May God help your poor pathetic miserable little souls! Good bye to your ilk, and good riddance!!
Snoppy- you and the rest of your ilk here make me physically sick! This site is nothing but a bunch of gossip mongering sickos. Go ahead, strike me off the forum. You folks need help, and you are so blind, naked, wretched and miserable you cannot see the danger you are in. Some of you folks need to get a real life in Christ! You are all doing the work of the great enemy, not the work of Christ! May God help your poor pathetic miserable little souls! Good bye to your ilk, and good riddance!!
Snoppy- you and the rest of your ilk here make me physically sick! This site is nothing but a bunch of gossip mongering sickos. Go ahead, strike me off the forum. You folks need help, and you are so blind, naked, wretched and miserable you cannot see the danger you are in. Some of you folks need to get a real life in Christ! You are all doing the work of the great enemy, not the work of Christ! May God help your poor pathetic miserable little souls! Good bye to your ilk, and good riddance!!
Lol! These guys claim to represent Jesus in their "ministry." Lets see...
A. Hinn - a jet
Jesus - sandals
B. Hinn - a fleet of cars
Jesus - a borrowed donkey (once)
C. Hinn - multiple mansions
Jesus - "nowhere to lay his head"
At what point did Jesus tell anyone to use him and his message as a tool for gaining wealth?
How about any of the televangelists or great leaders of "ministries?" The disparity I see between them and Jesus is vast.
--->This whole forum is about 3abn, so, according to you, who at 3abn has multiple mansions, and who there would refuse to host Jesus as a guest? Unless you can make a case, your pt is moot imo.
These discussions get more ridiculous to me as they go...
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