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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: ex3abnemployee on April 19, 2010, 07:41:29 PM
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Well, well...I'm told that Cindy is whining again about something I said. If I understand correctly, she made reference to me being a youth pastor and calling 3abn_Defender a meddling busybody. That's rich coming from someone who made a vulgar comment to Snoopy, called me a filthy, four letter name on Topix and has in times past suggested that an 8 year old may have consented to inappropriate relations with an adult male.
Yep, "meddling busybody" tops all that for sure.
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Yup - here's the link:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23503.html#msg23503
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Well, well...I'm told that Cindy is whining again about something I said. If I understand correctly, she made reference to me being a youth pastor and calling 3abn_Defender a meddling busybody. That's rich coming from someone who made a vulgar comment to Snoopy, called me a filthy, four letter name on Topix and has in times past suggested that an 8 year old may have consented to inappropriate relations with an adult male.
Yep, "meddling busybody" tops all that for sure.
Duane, I have had the opportunity to read some of the Topix discussions before they were deleted but never saw Cindy call you "a filthy, four letter name". Do you have a copy of that post that you could PM to me?
Would you please provide a link to where Cindy has ever "suggested that an 8 year old may have consented to inappropriate relations with an adult male." I have read her posts from both BSDA and here and have never seen her suggest such a thing.
Thanks.
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Yup - here's the link:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23503.html#msg23503
and what followed:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23528.html#msg23528
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23529.html#msg23529
Well, well...I'm told that Cindy is whining again about something I said. If I understand correctly, she made reference to me being a youth pastor and calling 3abn_Defender a meddling busybody. That's rich coming from someone who made a vulgar comment to Snoopy, called me a filthy, four letter name on Topix and has in times past suggested that an 8 year old may have consented to inappropriate relations with an adult male.
Yep, "meddling busybody" tops all that for sure.
Duane, I have had the opportunity to read some of the Topix discussions before they were deleted but never saw Cindy call you "a filthy, four letter name". Do you have a copy of that post that you could PM to me?
Would you please provide a link to where Cindy has ever "suggested that an 8 year old may have consented to inappropriate relations with an adult male." I have read her posts from both BSDA and here and have never seen her suggest such a thing.
Thanks.
Thank you. To clarify I have not and would not have said either of those things. I would also appreciate a copy of that topix post by pm or links to where Duane claims I said these things. Could you forward them to me too, please?
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Yup - here's the link:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23503.html#msg23503
and what followed:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23528.html#msg23528
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23529.html#msg23529
Well, well...I'm told that Cindy is whining again about something I said. If I understand correctly, she made reference to me being a youth pastor and calling 3abn_Defender a meddling busybody. That's rich coming from someone who made a vulgar comment to Snoopy, called me a filthy, four letter name on Topix and has in times past suggested that an 8 year old may have consented to inappropriate relations with an adult male.
Yep, "meddling busybody" tops all that for sure.
Duane, I have had the opportunity to read some of the Topix discussions before they were deleted but never saw Cindy call you "a filthy, four letter name". Do you have a copy of that post that you could PM to me?
Would you please provide a link to where Cindy has ever "suggested that an 8 year old may have consented to inappropriate relations with an adult male." I have read her posts from both BSDA and here and have never seen her suggest such a thing.
Thanks.
Thank you. To clarify I have not and would not have said either of those things. I would also appreciate a copy of that topix post by pm or links to where Duane claims I said these things. Could you forward them to me too, please?
I certainly may be forwarding the Topix posts to someone, but it's not anyone on the boards. The consent comment was made on BlackSDA, which is now gone. I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers it, though.
Cindy, I don't get why you have to be constantly stirring the pot. You can't just leave things alone that you aren't involved in, you MUST make little jabs and pokes at people. I'm tired of it.
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BTW, most public libraries keep a log of who uses their computers at certain dates and times.
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I certainly may be forwarding the Topix posts to someone, but it's not anyone on the boards. The consent comment was made on BlackSDA, which is now gone. I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers it, though.
Actually, Duane, BSDA is not gone. Calvin decided to keep it open.
I went over there just now and did a search on “consenting” and, after going through some threads, was able to find Bob linking to the following post made by BSDA member Lee.
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11955&st=0&p=167315&#entry167315
This is the member that I recall making such a post, not Cindy. From PM dialogs between Lee and myself during that time period I happen to know that Lee is not Cindy.
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ex-3ABN employee, I can attest to the fact that Cindy's character and conscience would not let her do as you have accused her. Also if you were hinting at her using a library computer, that is not true either. She is my daughter and lives with me and doesn't even have the time to go to a library. The truth is just as plain and simple as that. Even the children in Sabbath School learn "Oh be careful little mouth what you say."
Donna
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I certainly may be forwarding the Topix posts to someone, but it's not anyone on the boards. The consent comment was made on BlackSDA, which is now gone. I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers it, though.
Actually, Duane, BSDA is not gone. Calvin decided to keep it open.
I went over there just now and did a search on “consenting” and, after going through some threads, was able to find Bob linking to the following post made by BSDA member Lee.
http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=11955&st=0&p=167315&#entry167315
This is the member that I recall making such a post, not Cindy. From PM dialogs between Lee and myself during that time period I happen to know that Lee is not Cindy.
Thank you, GrandmaNettie. I checked the link and you are correct. Cindy, I owe you a big apology for accusing you of saying that.
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ex-3ABN employee, I can attest to the fact that Cindy's character and conscience would not let her do as you have accused her. Also if you were hinting at her using a library computer, that is not true either. She is my daughter and lives with me and doesn't even have the time to go to a library. The truth is just as plain and simple as that. Even the children in Sabbath School learn "Oh be careful little mouth what you say."
Donna
Donna, would you be so kind as to tell us what Danny clone near Oxford would have been posting on Topix, and using foul language too?
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I have no idea because it is no one that I know or have heard of.
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Would someone give me the link to the Topix discussion so I can check out what was said and where it came from for myself. It would be nice, when referring to something, that that info would be given in the first place.
Donna
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Can't give you a link, Donna, because someone keeps deleting the thread.
But someone with a lot of information was posting from around Indianapolis and Fowler. They sounded like Cindy, and they were part of the inner circle, based on the comments they made. That's why Cindy was suspected.
One of you I think on BSDA stated that there were a number of your family also posting. The description they gave was more than just you and Cindy. Are you sure you can't think of anyone?
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Can't give you a link, Donna, because someone keeps deleting the thread.
But someone with a lot of information was posting from around Indianapolis and Fowler. They sounded like Cindy, and they were part of the inner circle, based on the comments they made. That's why Cindy was suspected.
One of you I think on BSDA stated that there were a number of your family also posting. The description they gave was more than just you and Cindy. Are you sure you can't think of anyone?
Enough! I know what post you are referring to on BSDA and I made it and my reference was to brothers and sisters of the Lord, as well as to my Mom because I wanted people to stop giving her a hard time because of me, and my posts. That had nothing to do with this, ok?
Also, fwiw, may I add, like my Mom, I also know no one in the areas you refer to who either have or who still are publicly posting in defense of 3abn
Just a suggestion but if no one can offer links, then maybe someone should start copying all your junk from topix, so what is being referred to can be quoted and people know what is being discussed and referred to and what they are being accused of...
I gladly accept Duanes apology and thank him for it, but if he has the posts to support his other accusation and refuses to forward them except to someone off this forum then imho, he should do so, and maybe they can help him and you and clear it all up. I know I didn't call him any filthy names, but there is no way to resolve it here or prove anything without his help and cooperation
I hope that makes sense to people because at this point that's all I have to say, or can say.
:wave:
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Can't give you a link, Donna, because someone keeps deleting the thread.
But someone with a lot of information was posting from around Indianapolis and Fowler. They sounded like Cindy, and they were part of the inner circle, based on the comments they made. That's why Cindy was suspected.
One of you I think on BSDA stated that there were a number of your family also posting. The description they gave was more than just you and Cindy. Are you sure you can't think of anyone?
I am very sure and do not have a reputation of being dishonest. To suspect someone is just that and it should not be carried so far as to accuse and present anyone as guilty before others. That isn't a character trait of a Christian.
Donna
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I am very sure and do not have a reputation of being dishonest. To suspect someone is just that and it should not be carried so far as to accuse and present anyone as guilty before others. That isn't a character trait of a Christian.
Donna
Donna, I agree with you that to accuse and present anyone as quilty before others without knowledge is not a character trait of a Christian. That is the reason that I am personally offended by the following comment from 3ABN_Defender:
Sister is known for her unverifiable and false gossip. She was not present during the time and event she alleges, nor did she ever meet Goldie Shelton to my knowledge.
The statement I made concerning it being common knowledge around West Frankfort that Goldie Shelton brokered an agreement with the family of one of Tommy's victims, promising if they did not press charges against Tommy that he would leave Illinois and never live there again, is confirmed by Duane. All the while I wrote on BSDA my statements were confirmed by others who also were aware of the same situations. Therfore to say that Sister is known for her unverifiable and false gossip, does not put my character in question, rather it places a dark shadow over 3D's statements and character. I have not lied concerning Tommy Shelton or Danny Shelton. Some people just find the truth difficult to swallow.
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Can't give you a link, Donna, because someone keeps deleting the thread.
But someone with a lot of information was posting from around Indianapolis and Fowler. They sounded like Cindy, and they were part of the inner circle, based on the comments they made. That's why Cindy was suspected.
One of you I think on BSDA stated that there were a number of your family also posting. The description they gave was more than just you and Cindy. Are you sure you can't think of anyone?
I am very sure and do not have a reputation of being dishonest. To suspect someone is just that and it should not be carried so far as to accuse and present anyone as guilty before others. That isn't a character trait of a Christian.
Donna
I'm not sure I understand your reply. Are you very sure you cannot think of anyone else? Is that what you mean?
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It was the only question you asked of me in your post.
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Seems to me some people such as Cindy need to get a grip on reality. Donna I understand that you are her mother, but I too seen what was said about Duane Clem. It was very inappropriate and if anything was out of Christian character that was.
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What a surprise Samuel Thomas for real, I have so many of your tapes from years ago.
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Welcome to our net, Samuel Thomas.
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The person who posted on topix called herself Polly. Is Cindy saying if she posted as Polly or not? I know we all thought it was Cindy because of the Fowler Indiana address. Cindy?
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The person who posted on topix called herself Polly. Is Cindy saying if she posted as Polly or not? I know we all thought it was Cindy because of the Fowler Indiana address. Cindy?
I already said it's not me and I shouldn't have to keep repeating myself, and I can't address what was said because no one will say, but I am curious how is it you "ALL" thought this person was me because of a Fowler Indiana address? I certainly never gave out my address to any of you.
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So I apologize to you for thinking it was you who called Duane a bad name. And it wasn't your mom, right? So it was someone you don't know or if it was someone you do know they didn't tell you they posted so you are telling us you have no way to know who it was.
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So I apologize to you for thinking it was you who called Duane a bad name. And it wasn't your mom, right? So it was someone you don't know or if it was someone you do know they didn't tell you they posted so you are telling us you have no way to know who it was.
Thank you, I appreciate that. (a lot) and no it wasn't my Mom, there are nine of us and she never even allowed us to say slightly off color words or phrases growing up and although we are all grown, she still doesn't allow it in her house and even tho all aren't SDA today, we respect that and her and would probably all pass out from shock if she ever did or said such. ;)
I don't know all that was said on topix as I missed all for a bit and by the time I checked again days later I guess it had been deleted a few times, and I only got part that a friend forwarded me when I asked for it, but that part didn't contain anything that gave a clue as to what Duane or Bob or anyone else is referring to. I did look at that email again trying to figure this all out but didn't see anything in it. Honestly, if it was someone I know, I have no idea what was said, and can't imagine anyone I know speaking as Duane said while defending 3ABN. I really wish someone could supply the post(s) referred to to help me understand. I don't know what else to say.... except thank you for asking, and I am very tired now and I am done now.
Blessings..
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I recall seeing someone named "Cindy" from Indianapolis, IN post at topix something to the effect that "everything here is being logged"... Was that you, Cindy?
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Snoopy I don't think Cindy is not saying that she never posted anything just that she did not call Duane a bad name nor did her mother.
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I recall seeing someone named "Cindy" from Indianapolis, IN post at topix something to the effect that "everything here is being logged"... Was that you, Cindy?
Yes.
I actually posted twice.
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I recall seeing someone named "Cindy" from Indianapolis, IN post at topix something to the effect that "everything here is being logged"... Was that you, Cindy?
Yes.
I actually posted twice.
So if "everything is being logged"...can't you look at the log and figure out what Duane and Bob are referring to? I don't blame you for wanting to get to the bottom of it.
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Snoopy I don't think Cindy is not saying that she never posted anything just that she did not call Duane a bad name nor did her mother.
I understand. But she is saying she wishes someone would send her a link or a copy of the post, and my thought is that if someone she knows is keeping track of it all that it might be available to her.
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Cindy, is it not true that you accused Duane, not by words, but insinuating that he put someone up to calling you?
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I recall seeing someone named "Cindy" from Indianapolis, IN post at topix something to the effect that "everything here is being logged"... Was that you, Cindy?
Yes.
I actually posted twice.
So if "everything is being logged"...can't you look at the log and figure out what Duane and Bob are referring to? I don't blame you for wanting to get to the bottom of it.
Topix is owned by three of the largest news corporations Snoopy. I don't work for them or have access to their files, but I am sure if a legal case requires them they can provide the logs so all can be proven that needs to be.
Because Duane and others he knew were talking about threats my post also explained that I had been receiving harassing and threatening phone calls myself, from a woman asking for me by name in the middle of the night and that they were also logged and traced.- and reported. That women kept saying I was going to get what I deserved and bringing up her court case, and asking me if I had a lawyer as I would need one, and laughing like a maniac, and calling and just breathing and hanging up. She kept disturbing and awaking my entire family including my infant niece. This world is a sick place and has sick people, wouldn't you agree, Snoopy?
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Cindy, is it not true that you accused Duane, not by words, but insinuating that he put someone up to calling you?
No, absolutely not. And btw- I think you just joining here and in your very first post acting like you know either me or my mother is very questionable, just so you know.
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I recall seeing someone named "Cindy" from Indianapolis, IN post at topix something to the effect that "everything here is being logged"... Was that you, Cindy?
Yes.
I actually posted twice.
So if "everything is being logged"...can't you look at the log and figure out what Duane and Bob are referring to? I don't blame you for wanting to get to the bottom of it.
Topix is owned by three of the largest news corporations Snoopy. I don't work for them or have access to their files, but I am sure if a legal case requires them they can provide the logs so all can be proven that needs to be.
Because Duane and others he knew were talking about threats my post also explained that I had been receiving harassing and threatening phone calls myself, from a woman asking for me by name in the middle of the night and that they were also logged and traced.- and reported. That women kept saying I was going to get what I deserved and bringing up her court case, and asking me if I had a lawyer as I would need one, and laughing like a maniac, and calling and just breathing and hanging up. She kept disturbing and awaking my entire family including my infant niece. This world is a sick place and has sick people, wouldn't you agree, Snoopy?
I only suggested that because I got the impression from your post at Topix that someone you knew was logging the posts. I'm sorry if I misinterpreted that. And yes, I agree that the world is full of sick people. It's no fun to be accused of something you didn't do.
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Cindy, is it not true that you accused Duane, not by words, but insinuating that he put someone up to calling you?
No, absolutely not.
Actually, I interpreted your post the same way that Samuel Thomas did, Cindy.
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Cindy, is it not true that you accused Duane, not by words, but insinuating that he put someone up to calling you?
No, absolutely not.
Actually, I interpreted your post the same way that Samuel Thomas did, Cindy.
Well, now you both know better, right?
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Cindy, is it not true that you accused Duane, not by words, but insinuating that he put someone up to calling you?
No, absolutely not. And btw- I think you just joining here and in your very first post acting like you know either me or my mother is very questionable, just so you know.
Just like you think you know everyone, and the answers to everything? Sounds a bit double tongued there Cindy.
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Cindy and Donna,
I still think you ought to know something about who Polly is, and perhaps even who Huh is. Polly was identified as posting from Fowler, which is only 8 miles from Oxford. Really, now, how many folks around Oxford and Fowler would be that well connected to the Danny clones? Whoever was posting on Topix as Polly, you ought to have some idea who it might be.
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By the way, Samuel Thomas... Welcome to AdventTalk! I am glad you are here!
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Cindy and Donna,
I still think you ought to know something about who Polly is, and perhaps even who Huh is. Polly was identified as posting from Fowler, which is only 8 miles from Oxford. Really, now, how many folks around Oxford and Fowler would be that well connected to the Danny clones? Whoever was posting on Topix as Polly, you ought to have some idea who it might be.
I think I read somewhere that Duane was going after copies of the deleted Topix threads. Maybe he will be able to shed some light on this mystery... :dunno:
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By the way, Samuel Thomas... Welcome to AdventTalk! I am glad you are here!
Thank you, Snoopy!
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The term "bite me" is most often used as a way of saying "kiss my..." or a sarcastic demand for oral sex. That is its most common context.
So I apologize to you for thinking it was you who called Duane a bad name. And it wasn't your mom, right? So it was someone you don't know or if it was someone you do know they didn't tell you they posted so you are telling us you have no way to know who it was.
Thank you, I appreciate that. (a lot) and no it wasn't my Mom, there are nine of us and she never even allowed us to say slightly off color words or phrases growing up and although we are all grown, she still doesn't allow it in her house and even tho all aren't SDA today, we respect that and her and would probably all pass out from shock if she ever did or said such. ;)
I don't know all that was said on topix as I missed all for a bit and by the time I checked again days later I guess it had been deleted a few times, and I only got part that a friend forwarded me when I asked for it, but that part didn't contain anything that gave a clue as to what Duane or Bob or anyone else is referring to. I did look at that email again trying to figure this all out but didn't see anything in it. Honestly, if it was someone I know, I have no idea what was said, and can't imagine anyone I know speaking as Duane said while defending 3ABN. I really wish someone could supply the post(s) referred to to help me understand. I don't know what else to say.... except thank you for asking, and I am very tired now and I am done now.
Blessings..
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The term "bite me" is most often used as a way of saying "kiss my..." or a sarcastic demand for oral sex. That is its most common context.
So I apologize to you for thinking it was you who called Duane a bad name. And it wasn't your mom, right? So it was someone you don't know or if it was someone you do know they didn't tell you they posted so you are telling us you have no way to know who it was.
Thank you, I appreciate that. (a lot) and no it wasn't my Mom, there are nine of us and she never even allowed us to say slightly off color words or phrases growing up and although we are all grown, she still doesn't allow it in her house and even tho all aren't SDA today, we respect that and her and would probably all pass out from shock if she ever did or said such. ;)
I don't know all that was said on topix as I missed all for a bit and by the time I checked again days later I guess it had been deleted a few times, and I only got part that a friend forwarded me when I asked for it, but that part didn't contain anything that gave a clue as to what Duane or Bob or anyone else is referring to. I did look at that email again trying to figure this all out but didn't see anything in it. Honestly, if it was someone I know, I have no idea what was said, and can't imagine anyone I know speaking as Duane said while defending 3ABN. I really wish someone could supply the post(s) referred to to help me understand. I don't know what else to say.... except thank you for asking, and I am very tired now and I am done now.
Blessings..
Seems to me that Cindy does not realize this is a derogatory term.
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Seems to me that Cindy does not realize this is a derogatory term.
Samuel, since you are a new member, perhaps you aren't aware that the "bite me" incident was discussed at some length in another thread. On page one of this Hypocrisy thread, Snoopy linked to the post in the Tommy Shelton Arrested thread in which Cindy used the phrase:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23503.html#msg23503
While I have never heard of the phrase being used as a "sarcastic demand for oral sex" as George pointed out, Cindy apologized and posted a couple of definitions that she said was the meaning as she understood it:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23528.html#msg23528
I hope this information gives you a more complete picture of this incident.
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Thank you GrandmaNettie, but I am aware where Cindy used this quote. The phrase "bite me" is a very derogatory term, so I have to agree with George. For someone who said their mother raised them to not use bad terms. I would suggest that she look things up especially before she used them if she don't know the meanings.
Seems to me that Cindy does not realize this is a derogatory term.
Samuel, since you are a new member, perhaps you aren't aware that the "bite me" incident was discussed at some length in another thread. On page one of this Hypocrisy thread, Snoopy linked to the post in the Tommy Shelton Arrested thread in which Cindy used the phrase:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23503.html#msg23503
While I have never heard of the phrase being used as a "sarcastic demand for oral sex" as George pointed out, Cindy apologized and posted a couple of definitions that she said was the meaning as she understood it:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23528.html#msg23528
I hope this information gives you a more complete picture of this incident.
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bite me
interjection
•a command, similar to "Go to hell!" (i.e. "Leave me alone!" "Go away!" etc.) Note: not considered especially vulgar, but usually considered inappropriate in more formal settings. Also bite my ***.
The sarcastic expression 'bite me' means the same as get bent, get lost.
Seems to me that Cindy does not realize this is a derogatory term.
Samuel, since you are a new member, perhaps you aren't aware that the "bite me" incident was discussed at some length in another thread. On page one of this Hypocrisy thread, Snoopy linked to the post in the Tommy Shelton Arrested thread in which Cindy used the phrase:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23503.html#msg23503
While I have never heard of the phrase being used as a "sarcastic demand for oral sex" as George pointed out, Cindy apologized and posted a couple of definitions that she said was the meaning as she understood it:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,1820.msg23528.html#msg23528
I hope this information gives you a more complete picture of this incident.
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Cindy and Donna,
I still think you ought to know something about who Polly is, and perhaps even who Huh is. Polly was identified as posting from Fowler, which is only 8 miles from Oxford. Really, now, how many folks around Oxford and Fowler would be that well connected to the Danny clones? Whoever was posting on Topix as Polly, you ought to have some idea who it might be.
Not to mention the fact that "Polly" first asked who Glenn Dryden was, and if he was a victim, then less than 48 hours later posted that "Pastor Glenn Dryden" had made the same allegations against me as he did Tommy. Wow, "Polly" really educated herself in 2 days!
And I have no reason to be suspicious? :dunno:
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Not to mention the fact that "Polly" first asked who Glenn Dryden was, and if he was a victim, then less than 48 hours later posted that "Pastor Glenn Dryden" had made the same allegations against me as he did Tommy. Wow, "Polly" really educated herself in 2 days!
And I have no reason to be suspicious? :dunno:
Some inconsistencies galore
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Not to mention the fact that "Polly" first asked who Glenn Dryden was, and if he was a victim, then less than 48 hours later posted that "Pastor Glenn Dryden" had made the same allegations against me as he did Tommy. Wow, "Polly" really educated herself in 2 days!
And I have no reason to be suspicious? :dunno:
Some inconsistencies galore
Makes a lot of sense don't it? She learned an awful lot in two or three days. :-\
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I would like to add my welcome to AT, Samuel Thomas! I know a Samuel Thomas. Are you perhaps the one who was at OC around 1975-78?
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No, I am not, but thanks for the welcome! :TY:
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Sorry,for the confusion. I also relizd it is probably a pretty common name......... :-)
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I am replying to the insinuations made against Cindy and I about whether one of us is or know of a Polly who posted on Topix. Upon checking out as to whether there is a library in Fowler, there is. But, a mystery. Also was checked as to whether there is an internet provider in Fowler. There is none unless it is privately owned. So it is very suspicious that a Fowler address would even come up.
Donna
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Well...it appears another nameless coward has resorted to suggesting I'm a homosexual. Some of you people over there really need to get a life. So, Cindy, are you going to deal with it or am I?
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BTW, to all those who might think they can call my church and launch an attack that way, I have already told my pastor and our deacons everything, I have shared it with my Sunday School class, and I am talking individually with the parents of our youth as well as other adults in the church. My church has told me that I have their full support, and that they will not take kindly to anyone contacting them trying to trash me. So, go ahead and call or write if you want. You won't like the results. In fact, I don't think anyone who won't even sign their name to a post even has the guts to call or write.
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I am replying to the insinuations made against Cindy and I about whether one of us is or know of a Polly who posted on Topix. Upon checking out as to whether there is a library in Fowler, there is. But, a mystery. Also was checked as to whether there is an internet provider in Fowler. There is none unless it is privately owned. So it is very suspicious that a Fowler address would even come up.
Not necessarily. My internet service provider is in one town, while Topix says I am posting from another town about 8 miles north of there. Topix takes your IP address and then maps it to the closest town they have a forum for.
Thus, someone in Oxford could theoretically post on Topix and be labeled as being in Fowler.
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That's right Bob as our web site shows sometimes when I get on that it appears even farther away then 8 miles sometimes I could not see how it came from a different town many, many miles away. Other people that I know are on come clear from a different area.
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That's right Bob as our web site shows sometimes when I get on that it appears even farther away then 8 miles sometimes I could not see how it came from a different town many, many miles away. Other people that I know are on come clear from a different area.
I posted from Ohio last week and the screen said I was in Arkansas.
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Both of us have told the truth. Neither one of us is Polly nor do we know anyone who could be Polly. In fact we know of no one for hundreds of miles around who could be Polly. Since there are those who don't want to accept that then it would do me no good to say anything more on the subject.
Donna
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Both of us have told the truth. Neither one of us is Polly nor do we know anyone who could be Polly. In fact we know of no one for hundreds of miles around who could be Polly. Since there are those who don't want to accept that then it would do me no good to say anything more on the subject.
Donna
Cindy and Donna,
I still think you ought to know something about who Polly is, and perhaps even who Huh is. Polly was identified as posting from Fowler, which is only 8 miles from Oxford. Really, now, how many folks around Oxford and Fowler would be that well connected to the Danny clones? Whoever was posting on Topix as Polly, you ought to have some idea who it might be.
I am replying to the insinuations made against Cindy and I about whether one of us is or know of a Polly who posted on Topix. Upon checking out as to whether there is a library in Fowler, there is. But, a mystery. Also was checked as to whether there is an internet provider in Fowler. There is none unless it is privately owned. So it is very suspicious that a Fowler address would even come up.
Not necessarily. My internet service provider is in one town, while Topix says I am posting from another town about 8 miles north of there. Topix takes your IP address and then maps it to the closest town they have a forum for.
Thus, someone in Oxford could theoretically post on Topix and be labeled as being in Fowler.
That's right Bob as our web site shows sometimes when I get on that it appears even farther away then 8 miles sometimes I could not see how it came from a different town many, many miles away. Other people that I know are on come clear from a different area.
I posted from Ohio last week and the screen said I was in Arkansas.
So, theoretically, someone Topix says is posting from Fowler, IN, could actually be posting from a completely different state, which renders the Topix location information rather useless as evidence of any supposed connection between Polly and Cindy and Donna, right? So, since this is the case and since Donna has already stated that she doesn't know that Topix member, it seems it would make it a rather pointless issue to continue to pursue.
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Except for the fact that I post from truck stops frequently and often the headquarters of that particular company is what shows up. "Polly" posted from Fowler, IN consistently.
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Not to mention the fact that "Polly" first asked who Glenn Dryden was, and if he was a victim, then less than 48 hours later posted that "Pastor Glenn Dryden" had made the same allegations against me as he did Tommy. Wow, "Polly" really educated herself in 2 days!
And I have no reason to be suspicious? :dunno:
Some inconsistencies galore
Would you care to explain this Donna or Cindy? If it is not you two obviously you put someone up to it. If you notice this person was not to brilliant. Two days prior the acted like they did not know Glenn Dryden. Then all the sudden they knew everything about the man. Including his false accusations against Duane.
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So, theoretically, someone Topix says is posting from Fowler, IN, could actually be posting from a completely different state, which renders the Topix location information rather useless as evidence of any supposed connection between Polly and Cindy and Donna, right? So, since this is the case and since Donna has already stated that she doesn't know that Topix member, it seems it would make it a rather pointless issue to continue to pursue.
Thank you Grandma Nettie. It is very nice to see someone with an open mind and willing to accept the truth.
Donna
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Not to mention the fact that "Polly" first asked who Glenn Dryden was, and if he was a victim, then less than 48 hours later posted that "Pastor Glenn Dryden" had made the same allegations against me as he did Tommy. Wow, "Polly" really educated herself in 2 days!
And I have no reason to be suspicious? :dunno:
Some inconsistencies galore
Would you care to explain this Donna or Cindy? If it is not you two obviously you put someone up to it. If you notice this person was not to brilliant. Two days prior the acted like they did not know Glenn Dryden. Then all the sudden they knew everything about the man. Including his false accusations against Duane.
May I also add they knew Duane was a "Pastor."
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Would you care to explain this Donna or Cindy? If it is not you two obviously you put someone up to it. If you notice this person was not to brilliant. Two days prior the acted like they did not know Glenn Dryden. Then all the sudden they knew everything about the man. Including his false accusations against Duane.
We did not put anyone up to such. We are as much in the dark about this as you are and this is the last I will speak on the subject.
Donna
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Would you care to explain this Donna or Cindy? If it is not you two obviously you put someone up to it. If you notice this person was not to brilliant. Two days prior the acted like they did not know Glenn Dryden. Then all the sudden they knew everything about the man. Including his false accusations against Duane.
We did not put anyone up to such. We are as much in the dark about this as you are and this is the last I will speak on the subject.
Donna
I highly doubt that, but I will take your word for it. :cool:
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Would you care to explain this Donna or Cindy? If it is not you two obviously you put someone up to it. If you notice this person was not to brilliant. Two days prior the acted like they did not know Glenn Dryden. Then all the sudden they knew everything about the man. Including his false accusations against Duane.
We did not put anyone up to such. We are as much in the dark about this as you are and this is the last I will speak on the subject.
Donna
Not surprising. Most people clam up when they know they're caught.
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Not to mention the fact that "Polly" first asked who Glenn Dryden was, and if he was a victim, then less than 48 hours later posted that "Pastor Glenn Dryden" had made the same allegations against me as he did Tommy. Wow, "Polly" really educated herself in 2 days!
And I have no reason to be suspicious? :dunno:
Some inconsistencies galore
Would you care to explain this Donna or Cindy? If it is not you two obviously you put someone up to it. If you notice this person was not to brilliant. Two days prior the acted like they did not know Glenn Dryden. Then all the sudden they knew everything about the man. Including his false accusations against Duane.
That, from my perspective and view, appears to be what this is all about.
The perceived "accusations against Duane Clem".
I have read the posts from the topix forum and even though Mr Pickle and Mr Clem say this individual was a Danny defender and a 3ABN supporter the poster I saw said nothing which would indicate that. They asked questions indicated someone(pl) had called with a tip(s), and left a news tip address asking for information, stating that news source's requirements in order to be credited. Admittedly the individual did not speak how many of us would expect a Christian to. Perhaps they weren't. It is my opinion that because they also asked about Mr Clem it stirred up this hornets nest. It is also my opinion that Mr Pickle's obsession with who this individual was, to the exclusion of all of the other anonymous participants on topix, must mean he knew who they all were already.
I also find it very interesting that you would arrive here and then post almost exclusively, against Synthian and in defense of Duane Clem. You quite obviously know Mr Clem, and share his feelings about both himself, and Synthian. That is quite alright as long as you understand that others may see things differently.
This entire topic it indicates to me that many have nothing better to do or to worry about I will leave you to it.
Post script- edited to correct grammar and typos that a kindly soul informed me of. :)
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Not to mention the fact that "Polly" first asked who Glenn Dryden was, and if he was a victim, then less than 48 hours later posted that "Pastor Glenn Dryden" had made the same allegations against me as he did Tommy. Wow, "Polly" really educated herself in 2 days!
And I have no reason to be suspicious? :dunno:
Some inconsistencies galore
Would you care to explain this Donna or Cindy? If it is not you two obviously you put someone up to it. If you notice this person was not to brilliant. Two days prior the acted like they did not know Glenn Dryden. Then all the sudden they knew everything about the man. Including his false accusations against Duane.
That, from my perspective and view, appears to be what this is all about.
The perceived "accusations against Duane Clem".
I have read the posts from the topix forum and even though Mr Pickle and Mr Clem say this individual was a Danny defender and a 3ABN supporter the poster, I, saw nothing to indicate that. They asked questions indicated someone had called with a tip, and left a news tip address asking for information, stating that news sources requirements to be credited. It is my opinion that because they also asked about Mr Clem it stirred up this hornets nest. It is also my opinion that Mr Pickle's obsession with who this individual was to the exclusion of all of the other anonymous participants must mean he knew who they all were already.
I also find it very interesting that a you would arrive here and then post almost exclusively, against ian and in defense of Duane Clem. You quite obviously know Mr Clem, and share his feelings about both himself, and Synthian. That is quite alright as long as you understand that others may see things differently.
This entire topic it indicates to me that many have nothing better to do or to worry about I will leave you to it.
I would lend more credibility to your insinuations, but seeing that you are a strong defender of 3ABN, that throws that out completely.
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I agree, GrandmaNettie. Question asked and answer many times over. Move on people!
I would also like to add my feelings about Donna and Cindy. They are lovely people. The thing that impressed me about them both is that they actually stayed at BSDA and interacted as members(palyed the games, i could NEVER beat Donna's scores LOL!!!), when a good number of you here bailed when you could no longer carry on your "destroy Danny" campaign there. Even though we don't agree on some things, they are very lovely christian women, who have become very dear to me.
So, theoretically, someone Topix says is posting from Fowler, IN, could actually be posting from a completely different state, which renders the Topix location information rather useless as evidence of any supposed connection between Polly and Cindy and Donna, right? So, since this is the case and since Donna has already stated that she doesn't know that Topix member, it seems it would make it a rather pointless issue to continue to pursue.
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Except for the fact that I post from truck stops frequently and often the headquarters of that particular company is what shows up. "Polly" posted from Fowler, IN consistently.
I disagree with Grandma Nettie.
Fowler is part of the Lafayette, Indiana, metropolitan area. I doubt a "hit and run" poster from some other part of the country would go to the trouble of picking Fowler {with a population of about 2,000) at random.
I'm going with the theory that "Polly" is based in the Lafayette area, and is part of the Indiana historical offshoot jihad working to defend the reputation of their -- may His name be blessed -- Prophet.
Sometime, during the summer, they will likely put down their knitting needles, and leave Indiana for their pilgrimage to West Frankfort, Illinois, to circle a giant satellite dish -- the Kaaba -- seven times on foot; it's something which all true believers must do at some point in their lifetime as true pilgrims.
And Princess Di,
Lovely people can be sincerely wrong.
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From the Google Search:
Fowler is a town in Center Township
, Benton County
, Indiana
, United States
. The population was 2,415 at the 2000 census. It is part of the Lafayette, Indiana
Metropolitan Statistical Area
.
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Except for the fact that I post from truck stops frequently and often the headquarters of that particular company is what shows up. "Polly" posted from Fowler, IN consistently.
I disagree with Grandma Nettie.
Fowler is part of the Lafayette, Indiana, metropolitan area. I doubt a "hit and run" poster from some other part of the country would go to the trouble of picking Fowler {with a population of about 2,000) at random.
I'm going with the theory that "Polly" is based in the Lafayette area, and is part of the Indiana historical offshoot jihad working to defend the reputation of their -- may His name be blessed -- Prophet.
Sometime, during the summer, they will likely put down their knitting needles, and leave Indiana for their pilgrimage to West Frankfort, Illinois, to circle a giant satellite dish -- the Kaaba -- seven times on foot; it's something which all true believers must do at some point in their lifetime as true pilgrims.
And Princess Di,
Lovely people can be sincerely wrong.
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From the Google Search:
Fowler is a town in Center Township
, Benton County
, Indiana
, United States
. The population was 2,415 at the 2000 census. It is part of the Lafayette, Indiana
Metropolitan Statistical Area
.
I couldn't agree more!
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That, from my perspective and view, appears to be what this is all about.
The perceived "accusations against Duane Clem".
I have read the posts from the topix forum and even though Mr Pickle and Mr Clem say this individual was a Danny defender and a 3ABN supporter the poster I saw said nothing which would indicate that. They asked questions indicated someone(pl) had called with a tip(s), and left a news tip address asking for information, stating that news source's requirements in order to be credited. Admittedly the individual did not speak how many of us would expect a Christian to. Perhaps they weren't. It is my opinion that because they also asked about Mr Clem it stirred up this hornets nest. It is also my opinion that Mr Pickle's obsession with who this individual was, to the exclusion of all of the other anonymous participants on topix, must mean he knew who they all were already.
I also find it very interesting that you would arrive here and then post almost exclusively, against Synthian and in defense of Duane Clem. You quite obviously know Mr Clem, and share his feelings about both himself, and Synthian. That is quite alright as long as you understand that others may see things differently.
This entire topic it indicates to me that many have nothing better to do or to worry about I will leave you to it.
Post script- edited to correct grammar and typos that a kindly soul informed me of. :)
Here's the bottom line: I'll put up with a lot of things, but being accused of what Glenn Dryden accused me of is NOT one of them. Also, people pretending to not know who he is then just 2 days later knowing about the garbage he accused me of, and bringing it up on the internet, is not going to be tolerated, either.
There are a couple of people on [Ian's site] that are also skating on thin ice. Suggesting I may have some "secret" in my past that my church or youth parents may "need to know about" is not something a true Christian would do. If you two are so concerned about it, contact my church and bring it to their attention. I'll give you the address:
Unity Free Will Baptist Church
601 S. Monroe
West Frankfort, IL 62896
Either write a letter or apparently you are not concerned Christians, just gossips and tools of Satan. The ball is in your court, do you have the guts to follow through? I doubt it. You can't even say who you are. What spineless cowards.
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I don't know who "Polly" is, but I only joined this site a month ago.BUT anyone with a computer and who has some knowledge of 3abn, the local newspapers, the people involved, could get informed pretty quick. I found some information and I didn't even do a complete search. If someone wants to know information and is willing to pay a little money, anything can be found. "Polly" is probably someone that is close to the church or 3abn or one of the churches that Tommy has been in or even a friend of a friend. Why she/he attacked Duane I don't know. Maybe they, themselves are a victim and are too afraid to come forward. Don't be too quick to jump to conclusions as to who this person is. Duane,I am sorry that you are being attacked. You and God know you are innocent and those that know you, also believe in you. This is just Satan trying to attack you. You have beaten Satan at his game by coming forth against Tommy and now he is trying again. Remember, as long as Satan is attacking you, he HASN'T GOT YOU :ROFL:
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I don't know who "Polly" is, but I only joined this site a month ago.BUT anyone with a computer and who has some knowledge of 3abn, the local newspapers, the people involved, could get informed pretty quick. I found some information and I didn't even do a complete search. If someone wants to know information and is willing to pay a little money, anything can be found. "Polly" is probably someone that is close to the church or 3abn or one of the churches that Tommy has been in or even a friend of a friend. Why she/he attacked Duane I don't know. Maybe they, themselves are a victim and are too afraid to come forward. Don't be too quick to jump to conclusions as to who this person is. Duane,I am sorry that you are being attacked. You and God know you are innocent and those that know you, also believe in you. This is just Satan trying to attack you. You have beaten Satan at his game by coming forth against Tommy and now he is trying again. Remember, as long as Satan is attacking you, he HASN'T GOT YOU :ROFL:
While you make some logical points, and I agree with you on most of it. You fail to mention, the obvious. The fact that "Polly" acted as though she knew absolutely nothing, then all of the sudden she knew everything. I am pretty sure that if you do research on Glenn Dryden or even Duane, you will not find what was said on Topix. If there isn't something wrong with this picture then something is obviously wrong.
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mrst53,
Polly said, "Who ran like a coward? Glenn Dryden? That seems mean. I asked if he was one of the victims but nobody answered."
Then later Polly knew more than what has been published thus far. Polly is connected in some way, and isn't simply surfing on the internet and reading stuff out there.
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mrst53,
Polly said, "Who ran like a coward? Glenn Dryden? That seems mean. I asked if he was one of the victims but nobody answered."
Then later Polly knew more than what has been published thus far. Polly is connected in some way, and isn't simply surfing on the internet and reading stuff out there.
Exactly. The idea that this is someone who just randomly happened upon all this is an insult to our intelligence.
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:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: I just had the opportunity to read the discussions over at [Ian's site]. Where they are talking mad trash, especially towards Duane and the Admin of this site. Sorry, but the pettiness really made me laugh.
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:ROFL: They do not like tinka's brashness either. Brashness get their attention enough to yak about their unability to make one listen and convince that their lies are all legit. :ROFL: I just looked at that stuff for the first time and low and behold Penny and Ian trying to convince how ranting mad and raving my talk is. Hey, ladies your going to have to do some showing and proofing yourselves not too much longer. Old foggies, know all the patterns. But then that is a good :rabbit: trail your on to look good if people can keep up with all your "hops". The problem is all your comments are speculation & guessing most of the time. You have no idea who I am and claim I am also another poster.
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Now somebody from Winchester, Indiana is hammering Duane at Topix - go figure.
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Now somebody from Winchester, Indiana is hammering Duane at Topix - go figure.
And Duane is hammering right back. ;D
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Now somebody from Winchester, Indiana is hammering Duane at Topix - go figure.
And Duane is hammering right back. ;D
Yup! Good for you!!
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Now somebody from Winchester, Indiana is hammering Duane at Topix - go figure.
And Duane is hammering right back. ;D
Yup! Good for you!!
This is the way it's going to be from this point forward. They may as well get used to it.
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Now somebody from Winchester, Indiana is hammering Duane at Topix - go figure.
And Duane is hammering right back. ;D
Yup! Good for you!!
This is the way it's going to be from this point forward. They may as well get used to it.
But Duuaannne...
I'm sure they are VERY LOVELY PEOPLE...
:help:
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Now somebody from Winchester, Indiana is hammering Duane at Topix - go figure.
And Duane is hammering right back. ;D
Yup! Good for you!!
This is the way it's going to be from this point forward. They may as well get used to it.
But Duuaannne...
I'm sure they are VERY LOVELY PEOPLE...
:help:
You're right. I forgot about that. lol
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I see Cindy and Donna is back at it again. Duane, don't let those deceiving hags get the best of you my friend!
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:ROFL: They do not like tinka's brashness either. Brashness get their attention enough to yak about their unability to make one listen and convince that their lies are all legit. :ROFL: I just looked at that stuff for the first time and low and behold Penny and Ian trying to convince how ranting mad and raving my talk is. Hey, ladies your going to have to do some showing and proofing yourselves not too much longer. Old foggies, know all the patterns. But then that is a good :rabbit: trail your on to look good if people can keep up with all your "hops". The problem is all your comments are speculation & guessing most of the time. You have no idea who I am and claim I am also another poster.
They are really pathetic. I find their ignorance amusing.
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It's just like you said, Duane - desperation is setting in, big time!
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It's sad that anybody has to resort to that kind of stuff in desperation of this and that.
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I see Cindy and Donna have left the scene of this accident. :ROFL: Isn't that what people normally do when they know they have done something wrong, and have been caught? Hopefully, they packed their bags and took a hike.
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I just now have started to venture on to other sites by the links provided. I'm in almost in the state I have been accused of. The only thing now in my mind is this question. If Danny was a "good man" and his "family was a good family" besides the report that Melody and Mundale signed that was evidently in trying to do what was right as now it appears they all knew!!---my question would come out of the letter given way back from Brad D. Brad D. as a teen would never never ever come up with such a sick statement made up other then pure honesty on the medical excuse that came from the Sicko TS. That alone if known by DS and family should have been dealt with immediately by all coming together and having TS committed immediately. What in the world were they thinking unless all is as sick and decided just to cover it. This is beyond the worst and disbelief that this was not done. It made me sick just to think a human could come up with such a sick sick excuse to put on a teen. No way a normal teen could think of such a thing.
So there is my question big time? Why why did they not put their sick brother away forceably before more damage could be done to others. Why did they not do something IF THEY WERE GOOD MEN AND GOOD FAMILY???
and now I see that my wonderment of a wife that would let this situation go also is not the first time others are mentioning it. That is sick too at the assult on one adopted.
So how is it that the church does not stand up to this as surly they know of that letter. How can they be still mingling in this horrific sickness?
How can there be audacity for sympathizers to come on here and say Brad D. in the event of an unforgettable embarrassing attack on him from a man that sent his own son to tell him to come into his office is protecting this maniac with "You got to prove it, You got to prove it, Its all lies, Its all lies.
I want to say one thing, I might be raving mad but the sympathizers are all raving mad and sick beyond repair that their minds do not tell them that this one incident alone --let alone another poster on here have come forward to tell of the sickness they have had to deal with. and with just one incident if proven wrong what in the world do you think will happen to make all the rest go away. That incident was sufficient for that man to be put away by the family and the protection against more molestation.
(laugh) and then you all blame Joy and Pickle for this mess? There is more sickos on here then I guess I imagined. With this and some of you sympathizers think the rest of DS sagas are not possible. Come again, where is your heads. I wish now I would not have read that horrible letter but truth is truth and right now I do not see the amount of SDA' in leadership stopping this mess but joining for the "money or asset of it". and my great appreciation of my church is down the drain until they do. The church has failed, the courts have failed, perverted attorneys that provide defense of it and how they will pay in the end. There is nothing that can take that teens letter away even if he is grown, and people with "good minds" take action against the Devils work. TS is lucky in one thing. He did not do that to one of my sons. I am a christian in training but also a pistol packing mama from the country. I would not have killed him but.....he would not have done it again!!! or maybe lure him into a woods somewhere and turn the guard dog loose on him and now they are portrayed on "TV" as the "good family". I wish I never would have know how bad this is and feel I need to recover after reading on the other sites. and ask forgiveness for my thoughts..
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I see Cindy and Donna have left the scene of this accident. :ROFL: Isn't that what people normally do when they know they have done something wrong, and have been caught? Hopefully, they packed their bags and took a hike.
They're BACK!
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The title of this thread is Hypocricy. As far as I am concerned 3ABN is full of it.
I am a nobody, I don't know Danny and Linda nor do I know most of the folk who are a part of 3ABN. But I do have my personal testimony and talked with some folk who were VICTIMS and the victims were also privy to other victim's stories.
As far as I am concerned, since I first heard from my mother some weird gossip spreading lies to a dear retired lady who would be soon dying but hey give her some good stuff to spread around about Linda, and lies told on TV spread from that time on about Linda and her daughter and the pious notes "We will not sully Linda's name, but just say that she has chosen to go a different rout" and my finding BSDA and hearing all the words Sister wrote and others comming on and giving their testimony, then go to AT and reading the back and forth talk, and currently self praising all those wonderfu miracles and not just holding hands with GC but hugging each other as if they were great friends. Yes Tinka I agree with you this sickness is terrible.
I can't talk to my mother about it because she starts crying and telling me the stories are from the devil. She was there in Michigan when she heard all these Miracle stories Danny preached to anyone who would listen. She believes all the lies Danny and 3ABN spouts.
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I see Cindy and Donna have left the scene of this accident. :ROFL: Isn't that what people normally do when they know they have done something wrong, and have been caught? Hopefully, they packed their bags and took a hike.
They're BACK!
I see "Polly" is back with all her majesty as well. :ROFL: :ROFL: We all know that is either Cindy or Donna. Cindy, quit playing us for stupid. We know the tricks you play. You're not fooling anyone, but nice try. ::)
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I see Cindy and Donna have left the scene of this accident. :ROFL: Isn't that what people normally do when they know they have done something wrong, and have been caught? Hopefully, they packed their bags and took a hike.
They're BACK!
It's ok. I just went over there and took out the trash.
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I just now have started to venture on to other sites by the links provided. I'm in almost in the state I have been accused of. The only thing now in my mind is this question. If Danny was a "good man" and his "family was a good family" besides the report that Melody and Mundale signed that was evidently in trying to do what was right as now it appears they all knew!!---my question would come out of the letter given way back from Brad D. Brad D. as a teen would never never ever come up with such a sick statement made up other then pure honesty on the medical excuse that came from the Sicko TS. That alone if known by DS and family should have been dealt with immediately by all coming together and having TS committed immediately. What in the world were they thinking unless all is as sick and decided just to cover it. This is beyond the worst and disbelief that this was not done. It made me sick just to think a human could come up with such a sick sick excuse to put on a teen. No way a normal teen could think of such a thing.
So there is my question big time? Why why did they not put their sick brother away forceably before more damage could be done to others. Why did they not do something IF THEY WERE GOOD MEN AND GOOD FAMILY???
and now I see that my wonderment of a wife that would let this situation go also is not the first time others are mentioning it. That is sick too at the assult on one adopted.
So how is it that the church does not stand up to this as surly they know of that letter. How can they be still mingling in this horrific sickness?
How can there be audacity for sympathizers to come on here and say Brad D. in the event of an unforgettable embarrassing attack on him from a man that sent his own son to tell him to come into his office is protecting this maniac with "You got to prove it, You got to prove it, Its all lies, Its all lies.
I want to say one thing, I might be raving mad but the sympathizers are all raving mad and sick beyond repair that their minds do not tell them that this one incident alone --let alone another poster on here have come forward to tell of the sickness they have had to deal with. and with just one incident if proven wrong what in the world do you think will happen to make all the rest go away. That incident was sufficient for that man to be put away by the family and the protection against more molestation.
(laugh) and then you all blame Joy and Pickle for this mess? There is more sickos on here then I guess I imagined. With this and some of you sympathizers think the rest of DS sagas are not possible. Come again, where is your heads. I wish now I would not have read that horrible letter but truth is truth and right now I do not see the amount of SDA' in leadership stopping this mess but joining for the "money or asset of it". and my great appreciation of my church is down the drain until they do. The church has failed, the courts have failed, perverted attorneys that provide defense of it and how they will pay in the end. There is nothing that can take that teens letter away even if he is grown, and people with "good minds" take action against the Devils work. TS is lucky in one thing. He did not do that to one of my sons. I am a christian in training but also a pistol packing mama from the country. I would not have killed him but.....he would not have done it again!!! or maybe lure him into a woods somewhere and turn the guard dog loose on him and now they are portrayed on "TV" as the "good family". I wish I never would have know how bad this is and feel I need to recover after reading on the other sites. and ask forgiveness for my thoughts..
:goodpost: :TY: :TY: :thumbsup: :rabbit:
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It's very telling that Ian will allow me to be trashed and lied about on her site, yet won't approve my membership request so that I can rebut what was said. Yet, THEY claim to be the ones who are not one-sided. : shakes head : ???
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Not surprising. Nor is the deafening silence here. Nor are the multiple IDs showing up elsewhere!
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Not surprising. Nor is the deafening silence here. Nor are the multiple IDs showing up elsewhere!
Yes, I've noticed that as well. I've also noticed that many of them are in Indiana. :ROFL:
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This reveals how one-sided they really are in spite of what they say.
It's very telling that Ian will allow me to be trashed and lied about on her site, yet won't approve my membership request so that I can rebut what was said. Yet, THEY claim to be the ones who are not one-sided. : shakes head : ???
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From: Samuel Thomas (samuelthomas24@live.com)
Sent: Wed 4/28/10 12:02 AM
To: mollie.steenson@3abn.org
Mollie Steenson:
It is my understanding, that you are the VP at 3ABN. I am in full support of your network and believe that you all are doing a great job carrying the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
However, I do have an issue that I believe you should be aware of. It has come to my attention that you are running programs that have Tommy Ray Shelton on them. Namely, the Kids Time Program.
With recent events, such as the arrest of Tommy Shelton, for alleged child molestation. I feel that it is not a good thing to have programming showing Tommy especially that has to do with children.
I would hope that you will take this in consideration, and try to avoid airing things at least until this is taken care of.
Samuel
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I found some Kids Time Praise programs that were uploaded in 2008 sometime. The description said Tommy was on them, but I looked them over and couldn't find him anywhere.
I wonder if the old programs were re-edited, and if they took Tommy out of them.
Anyone seen any recently aired Kids Time programs where Tommy was definitely on the program?
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It's very telling that Ian will allow me to be trashed and lied about on her site, yet won't approve my membership request so that I can rebut what was said. Yet, THEY claim to be the ones who are not one-sided. : shakes head : ???
Duane, I emailed Cindy to ask her about this. Here is her response:
"Dear Nettie,
Thank you for asking.
I have no idea what Duane is talking about. I searched all the attempted registrations (mostly spammers) and couldn't find his name anywhere. I asked the other Admins and they also knew nothing about it. Could you ask Duane for the login name or address he registered with and possibly the date, so I can locate it in case I have overlooked it somehow? He will of course be expected to post within our forum rules if he would like to join our forum and discuss his issues in a rational manner.
~ Cindy"
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I found some Kids Time Praise programs that were uploaded in 2008 sometime. The description said Tommy was on them, but I looked them over and couldn't find him anywhere.
I wonder if the old programs were re-edited, and if they took Tommy out of them.
Anyone seen any recently aired Kids Time programs where Tommy was definitely on the program?
I was told that he was recently on one Kids Time program. Not sure when though. So it appears that they are still running these programs with Tommy on them.
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It's very telling that Ian will allow me to be trashed and lied about on her site, yet won't approve my membership request so that I can rebut what was said. Yet, THEY claim to be the ones who are not one-sided. : shakes head : ???
Duane, I emailed Cindy to ask her about this. Here is her response:
"Dear Nettie,
Thank you for asking.
I have no idea what Duane is talking about. I searched all the attempted registrations (mostly spammers) and couldn't find his name anywhere. I asked the other Admins and they also knew nothing about it. Could you ask Duane for the login name or address he registered with and possibly the date, so I can locate it in case I have overlooked it somehow? He will of course be expected to post within our forum rules if he would like to join our forum and discuss his issues in a rational manner.
~ Cindy"
That's funny, because she hasn't accepted mine either. :ROFL:
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I found some Kids Time Praise programs that were uploaded in 2008 sometime. The description said Tommy was on them, but I looked them over and couldn't find him anywhere.
I wonder if the old programs were re-edited, and if they took Tommy out of them.
Anyone seen any recently aired Kids Time programs where Tommy was definitely on the program?
I was told that he was recently on one Kids Time program. Not sure when though. So it appears that they are still running these programs with Tommy on them.
I think that was based on the description given in the schedule rather than based on what was actually on the program.
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It's very telling that Ian will allow me to be trashed and lied about on her site, yet won't approve my membership request so that I can rebut what was said. Yet, THEY claim to be the ones who are not one-sided. : shakes head : ???
Duane, I emailed Cindy to ask her about this. Here is her response:
"Dear Nettie,
Thank you for asking.
I have no idea what Duane is talking about. I searched all the attempted registrations (mostly spammers) and couldn't find his name anywhere. I asked the other Admins and they also knew nothing about it. Could you ask Duane for the login name or address he registered with and possibly the date, so I can locate it in case I have overlooked it somehow? He will of course be expected to post within our forum rules if he would like to join our forum and discuss his issues in a rational manner.
~ Cindy"
Yeah. And I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale. :ROFL:
Why can't ...ian come here and ask Duane herself? Is she so busy posting elsewhere that she can't take a minute to come here to address the issue directly without having "Nettie" mediate?
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It's very telling that Ian will allow me to be trashed and lied about on her site, yet won't approve my membership request so that I can rebut what was said. Yet, THEY claim to be the ones who are not one-sided. : shakes head : ???
Duane, I emailed Cindy to ask her about this. Here is her response:
"Dear Nettie,
Thank you for asking.
I have no idea what Duane is talking about. I searched all the attempted registrations (mostly spammers) and couldn't find his name anywhere. I asked the other Admins and they also knew nothing about it. Could you ask Duane for the login name or address he registered with and possibly the date, so I can locate it in case I have overlooked it somehow? He will of course be expected to post within our forum rules if he would like to join our forum and discuss his issues in a rational manner.
~ Cindy"
Yeah. And I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale. :ROFL:
Why can't ...ian come here and ask Duane herself? Is she so busy posting elsewhere that she can't take a minute to come here to address the issue directly without having "Nettie" mediate?
That would be to easy, Snoopy. Plus, she knows she has been caught. She knows other people are not ignorant to the :rabbit: trail she is leaving behind. She finally realized that the fire is getting to hot, and ran away. :ROFL:
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It's very telling that Ian will allow me to be trashed and lied about on her site, yet won't approve my membership request so that I can rebut what was said. Yet, THEY claim to be the ones who are not one-sided. : shakes head : ???
Duane, I emailed Cindy to ask her about this. Here is her response:
"Dear Nettie,
Thank you for asking.
I have no idea what Duane is talking about. I searched all the attempted registrations (mostly spammers) and couldn't find his name anywhere. I asked the other Admins and they also knew nothing about it. Could you ask Duane for the login name or address he registered with and possibly the date, so I can locate it in case I have overlooked it somehow? He will of course be expected to post within our forum rules if he would like to join our forum and discuss his issues in a rational manner.
~ Cindy"
Yeah. And I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale. :ROFL:
Why can't ...ian come here and ask Duane herself? Is she so busy posting elsewhere that she can't take a minute to come here to address the issue directly without having "Nettie" mediate?
Snoopy, Cindy asked me if I would post this because she is trying to refrain from posting here anymore. You have to admit that rarely is positive progress made in ANY direction when the two main sides discuss the issues. As someone who is allied to neither side but has friends on both, I had stopped posting for the same reason. There have been only a few times lately that I have spoken up and I believe that most of my posts were to only to provide information that was available to me.
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It's very telling that Ian will allow me to be trashed and lied about on her site, yet won't approve my membership request so that I can rebut what was said. Yet, THEY claim to be the ones who are not one-sided. : shakes head : ???
Duane, I emailed Cindy to ask her about this. Here is her response:
"Dear Nettie,
Thank you for asking.
I have no idea what Duane is talking about. I searched all the attempted registrations (mostly spammers) and couldn't find his name anywhere. I asked the other Admins and they also knew nothing about it. Could you ask Duane for the login name or address he registered with and possibly the date, so I can locate it in case I have overlooked it somehow? He will of course be expected to post within our forum rules if he would like to join our forum and discuss his issues in a rational manner.
~ Cindy"
Yeah. And I have some oceanfront property in Arizona for sale. :ROFL:
Why can't ...ian come here and ask Duane herself? Is she so busy posting elsewhere that she can't take a minute to come here to address the issue directly without having "Nettie" mediate?
Snoopy, Cindy asked me if I would post this because she is trying to refrain from posting here anymore. You have to admit that rarely is positive progress made in ANY direction when the two main sides discuss the issues. As someone who is allied to neither side but has friends on both, I had stopped posting for the same reason. There have been only a few times lately that I have spoken up and I believe that most of my posts were to only to provide information that was available to me.
Yep, because she knows she's been caught, right, grandmanettie?
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I find it interesting that Cindy would call anyone a LIAR; as she did on her forum. Ummm ???.. Cindy...Newsflash!! YOU are the one that ran and hid when you was caught on this thread! You continued, to deny your involvement in this issue, however, we kept hammering, and what happened, Cindy? You left. Why? Because you know your caught! :ROFL:
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Just for the record Cindy: I thought that I sent a request to your site, but was mistaken, I sent it to BSDA. So a lie no, a mistake yes. I'm sure you don't know the difference! I am at least willing to admit when I'm wrong. Wouldn't hurt you to do the same. :wave: :wave: :TY:
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I noticed that there is a user under the name of dclem posting over there at whoever's site, therefore, his membership has obviously been approved.
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I noticed that there is a user under the name of dclem posting over there at whoever's site, therefore, his membership has obviously been approved.
Well, it was, but as I expected, she isn't going to allow anyone to refute the bilge and trash that is being spread over there. She has already banned me.
I guess it makes her feel big to play policeman over there. Whatever. I through with the whole wad of them.
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Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
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Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
Interesting how you have been hanging out here logged in all day, isn't it? Anyway, despite your ire, I've already stated I am not Polly, nor am I banished despite you claiming that. I just decided to leave this forum as it isn't worth pursuing anything here. I will continue to speak what, where, when, why, and how I choose, and say what I want, when I want. Such as announcing that Pickle and Joys last motions were also denied just as all have been since the lawsuit was dismissed, and those who care will read it, and others like you, will whine, criticize ,complain and offer excuses or justifications. I'm sorry that is hard for you to comprehend and that you don't have people here to attack and condemn anymore, but I guess you will just have to carry on the best here that you can without that, whether you are happy about that, or not.. :wave:
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Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
Interesting how you have been hanging out here logged in all day, isn't it? Anyway, despite your ire, I've already stated I am not Polly, nor am I banished despite you claiming that. I just decided to leave this forum as it isn't worth pursuing anything here. I will continue to speak what, where, when, why, and how I choose, and say what I want, when I want. Such as announcing that Pickle and Joys last motions were also denied just as all have been since the lawsuit was dismissed, and those who care will read it, and others like you, will whine, criticize ,complain and offer excuses or justifications. I'm sorry that is hard for you to comprehend and that you don't have people here to attack and condemn anymore, but I guess you will just have to carry on the best here that you can without that, whether you are happy about that, or not.. :wave:
Your lies are seriously getting old.
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It's also interesting that you seem to care when and how long I'm logged in. Quit stalking me Cindy, thats disturbing.
Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
Interesting how you have been hanging out here logged in all day, isn't it? Anyway, despite your ire, I've already stated I am not Polly, nor am I banished despite you claiming that. I just decided to leave this forum as it isn't worth pursuing anything here. I will continue to speak what, where, when, why, and how I choose, and say what I want, when I want. Such as announcing that Pickle and Joys last motions were also denied just as all have been since the lawsuit was dismissed, and those who care will read it, and others like you, will whine, criticize ,complain and offer excuses or justifications. I'm sorry that is hard for you to comprehend and that you don't have people here to attack and condemn anymore, but I guess you will just have to carry on the best here that you can without that, whether you are happy about that, or not.. :wave:
Your lies are seriously getting old.
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Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
Interesting how you have been hanging out here logged in all day, isn't it? Anyway, despite your ire, I've already stated I am not Polly, nor am I banished despite you claiming that. I just decided to leave this forum as it isn't worth pursuing anything here. I will continue to speak what, where, when, why, and how I choose, and say what I want, when I want. Such as announcing that Pickle and Joys last motions were also denied just as all have been since the lawsuit was dismissed, and those who care will read it, and others like you, will whine, criticize ,complain and offer excuses or justifications. I'm sorry that is hard for you to comprehend and that you don't have people here to attack and condemn anymore, but I guess you will just have to carry on the best here that you can without that, whether you are happy about that, or not.. :wave:
I think somebody ought to subpoena info on the topix posters.
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Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
Interesting how you have been hanging out here logged in all day, isn't it? Anyway, despite your ire, I've already stated I am not Polly, nor am I banished despite you claiming that. I just decided to leave this forum as it isn't worth pursuing anything here. I will continue to speak what, where, when, why, and how I choose, and say what I want, when I want. Such as announcing that Pickle and Joys last motions were also denied just as all have been since the lawsuit was dismissed, and those who care will read it, and others like you, will whine, criticize ,complain and offer excuses or justifications. I'm sorry that is hard for you to comprehend and that you don't have people here to attack and condemn anymore, but I guess you will just have to carry on the best here that you can without that, whether you are happy about that, or not.. :wave:
I think somebody ought to subpoena info on the topix posters.
Isn't that taking place? I thought that's what I heard.
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Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
Interesting how you have been hanging out here logged in all day, isn't it? Anyway, despite your ire, I've already stated I am not Polly, nor am I banished despite you claiming that. I just decided to leave this forum as it isn't worth pursuing anything here. I will continue to speak what, where, when, why, and how I choose, and say what I want, when I want. Such as announcing that Pickle and Joys last motions were also denied just as all have been since the lawsuit was dismissed, and those who care will read it, and others like you, will whine, criticize ,complain and offer excuses or justifications. I'm sorry that is hard for you to comprehend and that you don't have people here to attack and condemn anymore, but I guess you will just have to carry on the best here that you can without that, whether you are happy about that, or not.. :wave:
I think somebody ought to subpoena info on the topix posters.
Isn't that taking place? I thought that's what I heard.
Is it really? That's great! It's time for some of these so called anonymous DIDs to be identified, I think.
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Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
Interesting how you have been hanging out here logged in all day, isn't it? Anyway, despite your ire, I've already stated I am not Polly, nor am I banished despite you claiming that. I just decided to leave this forum as it isn't worth pursuing anything here. I will continue to speak what, where, when, why, and how I choose, and say what I want, when I want. Such as announcing that Pickle and Joys last motions were also denied just as all have been since the lawsuit was dismissed, and those who care will read it, and others like you, will whine, criticize ,complain and offer excuses or justifications. I'm sorry that is hard for you to comprehend and that you don't have people here to attack and condemn anymore, but I guess you will just have to carry on the best here that you can without that, whether you are happy about that, or not.. :wave:
I think somebody ought to subpoena info on the topix posters.
Isn't that taking place? I thought that's what I heard.
Is it really? That's great! It's time for some of these so called anonymous DIDs to be identified, I think.
I agree. ;)
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I'm sure Cindy Conrad would be named in that list. :)
Has anyone besides myself noticed that "Polly" is no longer around. Ever since Cindy decided to banish, so did "Polly". Yet, we still do not have a right to be suspicious? Yeah, right.
Cindy, the jig is up. Come clean.
Job 13:9 "Will it be well when He examines you? Or will you deceive Him as one deceives a man?
Interesting how you have been hanging out here logged in all day, isn't it? Anyway, despite your ire, I've already stated I am not Polly, nor am I banished despite you claiming that. I just decided to leave this forum as it isn't worth pursuing anything here. I will continue to speak what, where, when, why, and how I choose, and say what I want, when I want. Such as announcing that Pickle and Joys last motions were also denied just as all have been since the lawsuit was dismissed, and those who care will read it, and others like you, will whine, criticize ,complain and offer excuses or justifications. I'm sorry that is hard for you to comprehend and that you don't have people here to attack and condemn anymore, but I guess you will just have to carry on the best here that you can without that, whether you are happy about that, or not.. :wave:
I think somebody ought to subpoena info on the topix posters.
Isn't that taking place? I thought that's what I heard.
Is it really? That's great! It's time for some of these so called anonymous DIDs to be identified, I think.
I agree. ;)
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I am sorry, but I cannot let this go without it being addressed. Yesterday, this was posted by Cindy Conard:
Bob Pickle, you are threatening me. I know it, you know it , and more importantly, God knows it! NO, I will not be intimidated. I will post according to my conscience, and not walk in the fear you try to instill by threatening to post all for all to see.
You are privy to my identity and to personal information about me which others do not have, ONLY due to our previous relationship and confidences. (such as my mother's name, etc..) You, and no one but you, made my name, address, phone number and all of that available to all. Just because I trusted you and spoke honestly to you, does not entitle you to pass that on. You are not right, are not acting either morally of ethically by betraying me, or in putting me in harm's
way by making any of that, or those things known to others either publicly or privately -- no matter how you attempt to justify it, or how you reply here.
MY NAME IS NOT LISTED IN ANY HOUSEHOLD ANYWHERE, much less in my mother's. I already knew that, even friends (out of concern due to your posts here tried to look me up and couldn't find me) and that was what I asked you to reply to.
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But if you "think" you have proof that my current address and phone number, which I have had for over 8 years now, are listed publicly anywhere under my name? Fine,please respect my family's privacy enough to not post it here, and send it to me via pm or email please as I would like to check it out myself and know where that is. Thank you.
There are legal [safety] reasons for that, with legal documents which back it up. NO, I WILL NOT post those here, (don't even ask) as that would and could further expose me and mine to harm. I shouldn't need to, you know my history and HAVE NO EXCUSE.
Because of that I asked you to pm or email me privately, but NO, you had to in your ends justifies the means, thinking and manner not only interject your own question and answer it. ( a question which I did not ask) but also instead of answering me privately , you posted this to others... You even (obviously gave that info out to others, privately. oh yeah! I saw the very public post here with the picture which was posted by a member who could NEVER have found it without you talking to others.. and who said and I quote "Cindy, is your dad in this picture?" That is direct evidence of your betraying of my confidences to you, and of you spreading that to others. Don't even try to protest or argue around that, Bob. You betrayed me to others who you know by their posts aren't my friends, and who I don't even know-- those who even hate and dislike me ) [-- and in answer to that poster, Yes I do recognize someone in the picture you posted, but no, that isn't my father, he is dead and has been for some years.. Why would you post that?!? What possible relevance did it even have? What justification or reason did you have?-- Grow up and don't be another's puppet, please.]
As far as I am concerned you are contemptible and without excuse, Bob Pickle. Offer your excuses and justifications for your words and actions to Christ, and see if that can save you, and justify you putting me in harm's way, for I, myself, will accept none of them
As for those who freaked out about what was posted to GRAT--where no private info, not even her name was revealed, and who brought up lawsuits and fear...) Those who offer no protest or disagreement here with all of this, and one, who even assisted in it? All those who have seem me being outed on this forum over and over and never saw anything wrong in that, never protested, never considered the fear this may have caused for me, but actually ate it all up and were amused?? You too can offer your excuses to Christ and attempt to justify yourselves. I am content to let Him judge you as He is the best qualified and knows your mind and heart better than myself or even you.
I am, as always, just hurt and disillusioned by this forum and all that is allowed here, and that which is not.
Cindy: First of all why do you come here trying to justify your actions against other posters as you did with 3d and grat, but when the tables are turned you come complaining? Also, how can you be sure that Bob Pickle gave me the information that you claim he did? Or is it just mere speculation? Also, I do not need to "grow up" as you claim. Your insinuations are void, Cindy. Also, I am no ones "puppet", but it does appear that you are a "puppet" for Danny Shelton and 3ABN.
Also, you say that Bob put you in harms way, yet you say that what 3d did was OK? Please, Cindy you are about as two faced as they come. It's disgusting really. As long as it's your side that is doing this type of actions, you try to allude that it is justified, but if anyone does it to any of you, you claim they are unchristian or threatening you. Which is it Cindy? You can't have it both ways.
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From another thread:
[-- and in answer to that poster, Yes I do recognize someone in the picture you posted, but no, that isn't my father, he is dead and has been for some years..
Who did you recognize in that picture? A relative or a friend? Are you sure?
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SamuelThomas, your accusatory posts are par for the course, so I am just going to say one thing here. Apples and Oranges. IOW: one poster says to another that they know who they and their family are and where they live and that's how they know that person does not know, and is not known by anyone at 3ABN, and has no personal testimony or witness to bear in all this. That person outed no one, revealed no private or personal information, nor even links to where it could be found. Another poster outs me, privately hands out my private address and phone number to others resulting in multiple unsolicited and unwanted calls, and even repeated harrassment and threats in the middle of the night, and then goes on to publicly post where I live and who my mother is and what my address and phone number is, and then you join in keep calling me by my real name, (ignoring my preferences here) and then post a picture saying "Cindy is this your Dad?" and see him still giving me the third degree about that picture, and you keep attacking me about all this calling me all kinds of things and accusing me all over the place on top of everything else and never see how any of what you say applies to either him or yourself, and see nothing wrong with this forum condoning and allowing it all.
Whatever... your choice...
I am sorry, but I cannot let this go without it being addressed. Yesterday, this was posted by Cindy Conard:
Bob Pickle, you are threatening me. I know it, you know it , and more importantly, God knows it! NO, I will not be intimidated. I will post according to my conscience, and not walk in the fear you try to instill by threatening to post all for all to see.
You are privy to my identity and to personal information about me which others do not have, ONLY due to our previous relationship and confidences. (such as my mother's name, etc..) You, and no one but you, made my name, address, phone number and all of that available to all. Just because I trusted you and spoke honestly to you, does not entitle you to pass that on. You are not right, are not acting either morally of ethically by betraying me, or in putting me in harm's
way by making any of that, or those things known to others either publicly or privately -- no matter how you attempt to justify it, or how you reply here.
MY NAME IS NOT LISTED IN ANY HOUSEHOLD ANYWHERE, much less in my mother's. I already knew that, even friends (out of concern due to your posts here tried to look me up and couldn't find me) and that was what I asked you to reply to.
But if you "think" you have proof that my current address and phone number, which I have had for over 8 years now, are listed publicly anywhere under my name? Fine,please respect my family's privacy enough to not post it here, and send it to me via pm or email please as I would like to check it out myself and know where that is. Thank you.
There are legal [safety] reasons for that, with legal documents which back it up. NO, I WILL NOT post those here, (don't even ask) as that would and could further expose me and mine to harm. I shouldn't need to, you know my history and HAVE NO EXCUSE.
Because of that I asked you to pm or email me privately, but NO, you had to in your ends justifies the means, thinking and manner not only interject your own question and answer it. ( a question which I did not ask) but also instead of answering me privately , you posted this to others... You even (obviously gave that info out to others, privately. oh yeah! I saw the very public post here with the picture which was posted by a member who could NEVER have found it without you talking to others.. and who said and I quote "Cindy, is your dad in this picture?" That is direct evidence of your betraying of my confidences to you, and of you spreading that to others. Don't even try to protest or argue around that, Bob. You betrayed me to others who you know by their posts aren't my friends, and who I don't even know-- those who even hate and dislike me ) [-- and in answer to that poster, Yes I do recognize someone in the picture you posted, but no, that isn't my father, he is dead and has been for some years.. Why would you post that?!? What possible relevance did it even have? What justification or reason did you have?-- Grow up and don't be another's puppet, please.]
As far as I am concerned you are contemptible and without excuse, Bob Pickle. Offer your excuses and justifications for your words and actions to Christ, and see if that can save you, and justify you putting me in harm's way, for I, myself, will accept none of them
As for those who freaked out about what was posted to GRAT--where no private info, not even her name was revealed, and who brought up lawsuits and fear...) Those who offer no protest or disagreement here with all of this, and one, who even assisted in it? All those who have seem me being outed on this forum over and over and never saw anything wrong in that, never protested, never considered the fear this may have caused for me, but actually ate it all up and were amused?? You too can offer your excuses to Christ and attempt to justify yourselves. I am content to let Him judge you as He is the best qualified and knows your mind and heart better than myself or even you.
I am, as always, just hurt and disillusioned by this forum and all that is allowed here, and that which is not.
Cindy: First of all why do you come here trying to justify your actions against other posters as you did with 3d and grat, but when the tables are turned you come complaining? Also, how can you be sure that Bob Pickle gave me the information that you claim he did? Or is it just mere speculation? Also, I do not need to "grow up" as you claim. Your insinuations are void, Cindy. Also, I am no ones "puppet", but it does appear that you are a "puppet" for Danny Shelton and 3ABN.
Also, you say that Bob put you in harms way, yet you say that what 3d did was OK? Please, Cindy you are about as two faced as they come. It's disgusting really. As long as it's your side that is doing this type of actions, you try to allude that it is justified, but if anyone does it to any of you, you claim they are unchristian or threatening you. Which is it Cindy? You can't have it both ways.
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Another poster outs me, privately hands out my private address and phone number to others resulting in multiple unsolicited and unwanted calls, and even repeated harrassment and threats in the middle of the night, ....
I seem to recall that your allegation of threats in the middle of the night is in dispute, and that you claimed to have phone record and police record proof of your allegation, but have failed to produce that proof as requested. Therefore, your allegations of wrong doing are in doubt.
By the way, who did you recognize in that picture? A relative or a friend? Or were you mistaken?
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Again, Cindy, grasping at straws and pulling the victim card. I asked you if you could prove that Bob Pickle gave me the information you claim. Obviously, you cannot. Seems to me that you wouldn't know an apple or oragange if you seen them. Calling you names? Yep, and I will do so again. You are two faced, that isn't a name, that is fact.
SamuelThomas, your accusatory posts are par for the course, so I am just going to say one thing here. Apples and Oranges. IOW: one poster says to another that they know who they and their family are and where they live and that's how they know that person does not know, and is not known by anyone at 3ABN, and has no personal testimony or witness to bear in all this. That person outed no one, revealed no private or personal information, nor even links to where it could be found. Another poster outs me, privately hands out my private address and phone number to others resulting in multiple unsolicited and unwanted calls, and even repeated harrassment and threats in the middle of the night, and then goes on to publicly post where I live and who my mother is and what my address and phone number is, and then you join in keep calling me by my real name, (ignoring my preferences here) and then post a picture saying "Cindy is this your Dad?" and see him still giving me the third degree about that picture, and you keep attacking me about all this calling me all kinds of things and accusing me all over the place on top of everything else and never see how any of what you say applies to either him or yourself, and see nothing wrong with this forum condoning and allowing it all.
Whatever... your choice...
I am sorry, but I cannot let this go without it being addressed. Yesterday, this was posted by Cindy Conard:
Bob Pickle, you are threatening me. I know it, you know it , and more importantly, God knows it! NO, I will not be intimidated. I will post according to my conscience, and not walk in the fear you try to instill by threatening to post all for all to see.
You are privy to my identity and to personal information about me which others do not have, ONLY due to our previous relationship and confidences. (such as my mother's name, etc..) You, and no one but you, made my name, address, phone number and all of that available to all. Just because I trusted you and spoke honestly to you, does not entitle you to pass that on. You are not right, are not acting either morally of ethically by betraying me, or in putting me in harm's
way by making any of that, or those things known to others either publicly or privately -- no matter how you attempt to justify it, or how you reply here.
MY NAME IS NOT LISTED IN ANY HOUSEHOLD ANYWHERE, much less in my mother's. I already knew that, even friends (out of concern due to your posts here tried to look me up and couldn't find me) and that was what I asked you to reply to.
But if you "think" you have proof that my current address and phone number, which I have had for over 8 years now, are listed publicly anywhere under my name? Fine,please respect my family's privacy enough to not post it here, and send it to me via pm or email please as I would like to check it out myself and know where that is. Thank you.
There are legal [safety] reasons for that, with legal documents which back it up. NO, I WILL NOT post those here, (don't even ask) as that would and could further expose me and mine to harm. I shouldn't need to, you know my history and HAVE NO EXCUSE.
Because of that I asked you to pm or email me privately, but NO, you had to in your ends justifies the means, thinking and manner not only interject your own question and answer it. ( a question which I did not ask) but also instead of answering me privately , you posted this to others... You even (obviously gave that info out to others, privately. oh yeah! I saw the very public post here with the picture which was posted by a member who could NEVER have found it without you talking to others.. and who said and I quote "Cindy, is your dad in this picture?" That is direct evidence of your betraying of my confidences to you, and of you spreading that to others. Don't even try to protest or argue around that, Bob. You betrayed me to others who you know by their posts aren't my friends, and who I don't even know-- those who even hate and dislike me ) [-- and in answer to that poster, Yes I do recognize someone in the picture you posted, but no, that isn't my father, he is dead and has been for some years.. Why would you post that?!? What possible relevance did it even have? What justification or reason did you have?-- Grow up and don't be another's puppet, please.]
As far as I am concerned you are contemptible and without excuse, Bob Pickle. Offer your excuses and justifications for your words and actions to Christ, and see if that can save you, and justify you putting me in harm's way, for I, myself, will accept none of them
As for those who freaked out about what was posted to GRAT--where no private info, not even her name was revealed, and who brought up lawsuits and fear...) Those who offer no protest or disagreement here with all of this, and one, who even assisted in it? All those who have seem me being outed on this forum over and over and never saw anything wrong in that, never protested, never considered the fear this may have caused for me, but actually ate it all up and were amused?? You too can offer your excuses to Christ and attempt to justify yourselves. I am content to let Him judge you as He is the best qualified and knows your mind and heart better than myself or even you.
I am, as always, just hurt and disillusioned by this forum and all that is allowed here, and that which is not.
Cindy: First of all why do you come here trying to justify your actions against other posters as you did with 3d and grat, but when the tables are turned you come complaining? Also, how can you be sure that Bob Pickle gave me the information that you claim he did? Or is it just mere speculation? Also, I do not need to "grow up" as you claim. Your insinuations are void, Cindy. Also, I am no ones "puppet", but it does appear that you are a "puppet" for Danny Shelton and 3ABN.
Also, you say that Bob put you in harms way, yet you say that what 3d did was OK? Please, Cindy you are about as two faced as they come. It's disgusting really. As long as it's your side that is doing this type of actions, you try to allude that it is justified, but if anyone does it to any of you, you claim they are unchristian or threatening you. Which is it Cindy? You can't have it both ways.
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From another thread:
[-- and in answer to that poster, Yes I do recognize someone in the picture you posted, but no, that isn't my father, he is dead and has been for some years..
Who did you recognize in that picture? A relative or a friend? Are you sure?
Another poster outs me, privately hands out my private address and phone number to others resulting in multiple unsolicited and unwanted calls, and even repeated harrassment and threats in the middle of the night, ....
I seem to recall that your allegation of threats in the middle of the night is in dispute, and that you claimed to have phone record and police record proof of your allegation, but have failed to produce that proof as requested. Therefore, your allegations of wrong doing are in doubt.
By the way, who did you recognize in that picture? A relative or a friend? Or were you mistaken?
Cindy, it seems strange that it has taken you so long to reply to a simple question. Do you need to see the picture again to refresh your memory? I suspect that there wasn't anyone in that picture that you knew, if your dad wasn't in it.
Again, did you think you recognized a friend or a relative? Or do you think you may have been mistaken?
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Bob, What's your deal with the picture, and why are you harassing me about it? It has nothing to do with any topic on this forum. And Frankly, it's not your business nor anyone elses here.
From another thread:
[-- and in answer to that poster, Yes I do recognize someone in the picture you posted, but no, that isn't my father, he is dead and has been for some years..
Who did you recognize in that picture? A relative or a friend? Are you sure?
Another poster outs me, privately hands out my private address and phone number to others resulting in multiple unsolicited and unwanted calls, and even repeated harrassment and threats in the middle of the night, ....
I seem to recall that your allegation of threats in the middle of the night is in dispute, and that you claimed to have phone record and police record proof of your allegation, but have failed to produce that proof as requested. Therefore, your allegations of wrong doing are in doubt.
By the way, who did you recognize in that picture? A relative or a friend? Or were you mistaken?
Cindy, it seems strange that it has taken you so long to reply to a simple question. Do you need to see the picture again to refresh your memory? I suspect that there wasn't anyone in that picture that you knew, if your dad wasn't in it.
Again, did you think you recognized a friend or a relative? Or do you think you may have been mistaken?
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Bob, What's your deal with the picture, and why are you harassing me about it? It has nothing to do with any topic on this forum. And Frankly, it's not your business nor anyone elses here.
I'm not harassing you about it. I asked you a question and you had never responded, and so I was bringing that question to your attention again.
If the picture doesn't have anything to do with any topic on this forum, you should never have referenced it in your tirade.
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Gurl, just tell him it is none of his business and let Bob know you do not intend on answering this question. Fact, is you have already said too much by saying you recognize anyone in the pic. Really, you should have refused to look at it. It was a trick. LOL!!! That is how we got here 6 years later.....Danny not answering questions, and just being evasive. LOL!!!
Actually, to be honest, I believe he is going to far and in this instance has no right to an answer. just make it clear that you have no intention of answering so he can stop asking. You know he like a dog with a bone, especially if you seem evasive.
Even more evidence that htis all needs to stop.
Bob, What's your deal with the picture, and why are you harassing me about it? It has nothing to do with any topic on this forum. And Frankly, it's not your business nor anyone elses here.
From another thread:
[-- and in answer to that poster, Yes I do recognize someone in the picture you posted, but no, that isn't my father, he is dead and has been for some years..
Who did you recognize in that picture? A relative or a friend? Are you sure?
Another poster outs me, privately hands out my private address and phone number to others resulting in multiple unsolicited and unwanted calls, and even repeated harrassment and threats in the middle of the night, ....
I seem to recall that your allegation of threats in the middle of the night is in dispute, and that you claimed to have phone record and police record proof of your allegation, but have failed to produce that proof as requested. Therefore, your allegations of wrong doing are in doubt.
By the way, who did you recognize in that picture? A relative or a friend? Or were you mistaken?
Cindy, it seems strange that it has taken you so long to reply to a simple question. Do you need to see the picture again to refresh your memory? I suspect that there wasn't anyone in that picture that you knew, if your dad wasn't in it.
Again, did you think you recognized a friend or a relative? Or do you think you may have been mistaken?
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Ooops!! I posted before I saw this answer. Good Job! Bob. let it go!
Bob, What's your deal with the picture, and why are you harassing me about it? It has nothing to do with any topic on this forum. And Frankly, it's not your business nor anyone elses here.
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I see that Tommy is still being referred to as "accused" while the victims are being called greedy, hateful, misguided and even useful idiots. Unbelieveable.
Here's a news flash: Tommy is guilty. He ADMITTED he is guilty. That makes him a CONVICTED child molestor, not an "accused" one. I don't know how to dumb it down any more than that, so I hope you got it this time.
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I see that Tommy is still being referred to as "accused" while the victims are being called greedy, hateful, misguided and even useful idiots. Unbelieveable.
Here's a news flash: Tommy is guilty. He ADMITTED he is guilty. That makes him a CONVICTED child molestor, not an "accused" one. I don't know how to dumb it down any more than that, so I hope you got it this time.
Seems to me they really are frightened. Wonder what Jim Gilley, Danny Shelton, and 3ABN are feeling right now? This is one place they did not want to be put in, involved in two law suits.
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Seems to me they really are frightened. Wonder what Jim Gilley, Danny Shelton, and 3ABN are feeling right now? This is one place they did not want to be put in, involved in two law suits.
From what I understand, they still have to option to not be. Let's see what they choose.
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Seems to me they really are frightened. Wonder what Jim Gilley, Danny Shelton, and 3ABN are feeling right now? This is one place they did not want to be put in, involved in two law suits.
From what I understand, they still have to option to not be. Let's see what they choose.
Right.
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They have the option to settle. Which would also be admitting that they did attempt to cover up Tommy's crimes and that they were engaging in intimidation of witnesses and victims...
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They have the option to settle. Which would also be admitting that they did attempt to cover up Tommy's crimes and that they were engaging in intimidation of witnesses and victims...
Danny has himself in quite a "pickle", doesn't he?
BTW Danny, have you thought of what the local news media is going to do with this if it does go to trial? Rest assured, I'll do my part to see that they know about it.
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All I know is that a "demand letter" was sent out to 3ABN. I'm sure they have received it by now.
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All I know is that a "demand letter" was sent out to 3ABN. I'm sure they have received it by now.
What was demanded, Adam?
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All I know is that a "demand letter" was sent out to 3ABN. I'm sure they have received it by now.
What was demanded, Adam?
I have not personally seen the letter. I just know one was sent out to Jim Gilley last week.
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All I know is that a "demand letter" was sent out to 3ABN. I'm sure they have received it by now.
What was demanded, Adam?
I have not personally seen the letter. I just know one was sent out to Jim Gilley last week.
So Jim Gilley should start "sweating bullets" any time now, I take it.
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All I know is that a "demand letter" was sent out to 3ABN. I'm sure they have received it by now.
What was demanded, Adam?
I have not personally seen the letter. I just know one was sent out to Jim Gilley last week.
So Jim Gilley should start "sweating bullets" any time now, I take it.
If he isn't already. I do know that they have given him a deadline to respond; a short one at that.
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If they opt to acquiesce to the demand, does that mean that other victims will come forward and begin demanding something also?
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If they opt to acquiesce to the demand, does that mean that other victims will come forward and begin demanding something also?
In the past history that has been the case especially in cases that involved that Catholic church. So, I hesitate to say no.
I will say this, without fear, of repercussion's. I have seen it posted elsewhere "why aren't the victims going after the church in Virginia?" Even if the two victims wanted to do so, they could not because of the statue of limitation (as far as civilly prosecuting) in the state of Virginia.
I would agree that the church in Virginia including Pastors Byron and Gail Woods should be held accountable for allowing Tommy to pastor there. They were in fact knowledgeable of the past of Tommy, yet allowed him to serve. It is unfortunate that this may not occur.
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Don't worry about a thing. Danny's cornered now. This attorney team has him studied and pegged down. He can't stall anymore. He's a broken man with no influence over anyone. I just hope they nail Gilley, Molly and Lomacang too for their knowledge and attempts to cover this up. They are guilty.
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Horsethief,
If Gilly, Molly, and Lomacang are found guilty will 3 abn change hands or what do you excpect to happen since all SDA programming is connected. I saw yesterday that the Spanish SDA in South American was coming forward for donations as they were speaking up for Cali Columbia outreach. Yet they wanted the funds sent to 3abn Headquarters. ?????
Too bad that one does not realize that guilt will cause "broken people" if they do not repent!!
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Horsethief,
If Gilly, Molly, and Lomacang are found guilty will 3 abn change hands or what do you excpect to happen since all SDA programming is connected. I saw yesterday that the Spanish SDA in South American was coming forward for donations as they were speaking up for Cali Columbia outreach. Yet they wanted the funds sent to 3abn Headquarters. ?????
Too bad that one does not realize that guilt will cause "broken people" if they do not repent!!
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If I was Gilley, I would pack up my bags and run as fast as I could to the nearest exit.
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Don't worry about a thing. Danny's cornered now. This attorney team has him studied and pegged down. He can't stall anymore. He's a broken man with no influence over anyone. I just hope they nail Gilley, Molly and Lomacang too for their knowledge and attempts to cover this up. They are guilty.
Danny even sued two guys as part of the cover up. Imagine that!
If they settle with the victims, they ought to settle with us too.
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I wonder how this year's '3ABN Homecoming' will look like? Of course they will try to make it look all joyous. But we know better. It probably will be the last one.
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Danny has himself in quite a "pickle", doesn't he?
Next thing you know, someone may try posting a picture of Danny Shelton in a pickle jar.
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Maybe 3ABN headquarters could be turned into a mosque...
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Maybe 3ABN headquarters could be turned into a mosque...
Still laughing... Thanks horsethief - I really needed to laugh today.
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Mosque?
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Alex,
You know....for people that wear the towels on their heads..a place where they all go and take off their shoes and bow down to a different "tune".
It really would not make a difference if a mosque was there in other words cause "sin" is "sin" no matter where you go to. all :horse:s eat hay the same way and waste it to the ground of course unless a horsethief comes and puts them to the track to earn their own keep.... :ROFL:
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How do you know that Byron and Gail Wood knew the history behind Tommy and still allowed him to come to Dunn Loring? I grew up under this man for 10 years. I just can't imagine this. Do you have proof?
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How do you know that Byron and Gail Wood knew the history behind Tommy and still allowed him to come to Dunn Loring? I grew up under this man for 10 years. I just can't imagine this. Do you have proof?
They in fact did know about Tommy. The proof is their own admission to that. They was keenly aware of Tommy's past.
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Mrst, Tommy himself states the following:
Tommy, himself states this in his letter to Dunn Loring:
This statement could mean no other than Bro. and Sis. Wood who headed up the Ministerial Council of the Church of God, Inc., at the time. These two statements imply either irresponsibility, or cover-up on the part of the Woods. Let me set the record straight. Bro. and Sis. Wood was neither irresponsible nor were they part of a cover-up. They acted in good faith both in my ordination with the Ministerial Council of the Church of God and in the call to be pastor of the Community Church of God.
They called me in the middle 80’s after hearing of allegations to offer prayer and support and yes, years later called me to come to Dunn Loring knowing of the allegations. They based their decision on information they had. For example they knew of a police investigation that yielded no evidence and resulted in no charges. They were aware that my chairman of the board was a well respected State Patrolman and would have known the details of the investigation, and supported me fully. They also knew people that they respected who were supporting me like Ben Jordan who was part of the congregation at the time and actually went to the police to testify in my behalf. Things like the above caused them to be confident in calling me to come to Dunn Loring. NO FAULT can be laid at the feet of Bro. and Sis. Wood.
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Adam,
When was this letter written? Can we be sure Tommy is telling the truth?
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Yes, I do believe he is telling the truth. Not because I think he is trustworthy, but there are documents to prove that this was in fact the case.
I stand by my previous post, Byron and Gail Woods are guilty as sin for allowing Tommy to pastor. In my opinion their license to preach should be revoked. I believe they should be held accountable for their lack of understanding in this situation. They should be very proud that they ALLOWED these acts to happen at the church that they founded and built. It's disgusting.
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Adam,
When was this letter written? Can we be sure Tommy is telling the truth?
My approach throughout this scandal has been that if someone says something that is pretty damaging to their own cause, it's probably true. So I have no reason to doubt Tommy's assertion that the Woods called him in the mid 1980's. Other things he says, I would not so readily accept.
But one thing I have wondered about is why there are so many ties between Dunn Loring and Ezra. Why would the Woods call Tommy in the mid 80's?
Yes, the Woods knew about the allegations. Whether they believed the allegations to be true or not, that's another matter. But it is certain that they knew about the allegations at some point in time.
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Full fledged panic is setting in at the other site. Now it's "extortion." And even though Tommy has admitted he molested these two young men, they still talk about Tommy's "accusers." It has even been predicted that the lawsuit, if there indeed is one, will be thrown out.
I seem to remember another prediction that Tommy would "without a doubt" be found innocent. Even Tommy didn't agree with that one.
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Full fledged panic is setting in at the other site. Now it's "extortion." And even though Tommy has admitted he molested these two young men, they still talk about Tommy's "accusers." It has even been predicted that the lawsuit, if there indeed is one, will be thrown out.
I seem to remember another prediction that Tommy would "without a doubt" be found innocent. Even Tommy didn't agree with that one.
Who does proffaber think he is? Just a want to be know it all? An Oxy-moron if you ask me. He has no clue, so his input is worthless. As if a judge is going to throw out a case, because he ask's them too. :ROFL: :ROFL: That has got to be the most funniest delusions I have ever read.
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Proffaber tosses around facts that are irrefutably false.
He likes to comment on legal issues. Whether he is or not, this gives the impression that he is Walt Thompson's son, Greg, who has since the scandal broke open become a paralegal.
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I am going to send a copy of the "letter from Tommy" to Brother and Sister Wood. They may not respond, since the chance of trial is still up in the air. I would like to get their side of the story. I will let you know what they say, if anything.
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Before I send this letter to the Woods, when was this "letter written"???? (Tommy's letter about the Woods)I want as much information as I can have when I write them. this is really important to me. As I said on the other site, after my experience- maybe I can't trust anyone, anymore. :'(
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It appears to have been written in early February 2007. That's a fairly close date, based on what I recall.
Looks like I received it on February 17:
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Subject: Tommy: Two questions about your open letter.
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:58:27 -0600
From: Bob
To: Tommy Shelton
CC: Mollie Steenson, Pastor Lomacang, Fallible Human Being, Joe Smith, Danny Shelton, Elder Ken Denslow, Walt Thompson
Hello Tommy.
Last night someone forwarded to me your open letter to the Dunn Loring congregation. If there is any chance that this letter is not genuine, please let me know at your earliest convenience.
I haven't read it in its entirety yet, and will look forward to hopefully finding some information in it that will put things in a drastically different light. My only regret is that Danny did not send me anything along these lines in November as requested, as perhaps it could have prevented some misunderstanding, if there really have been any misunderstandings.
Here are two things that I did notice that caused me a little concern. You wrote (assuming that this letter is really genuine):
"In addition, because of the pressure (that your pastor hoped for, by his own admission) from the scandalizing on the internet, it was necessary for me to leave my job because of the stress to my heart due to constant high blood pressure."
And yet, contrary to the above, you and Danny on the air on New Year's Eve said that your health problems and your retirement were due to:
- Your tremendous schedule.
- Weekend traveling.
- Long commuting.
- And above everything else, a ferry.
Question: Are you admitting in your open letter that both you and Danny lied on the air as to the real reason you were retiring three months early from 3ABN, or do you have a way to explain this apparent discrepancy?
You also wrote:
"These men are not 'ecclesiastical investigators' for the Seventh Day Adventist. They hold no official position, and have no authority in the Seventh Day Adventist Church to investigate anything or anybody. By next week I will have in hand an official statement from the Illinois Conference President of SDA, stating that these men do not work for the Seventh-Day-Adventist church and were not authorized to investigate anyone."
Question: Isn't this a tad bit dishonest, given the facts that:
- It was an Adventist church pastor or administrator that got the 2003 Glenn Dryden letter to Gailon Joy for him to look at on August 15, 2006, after which he launched his investigation?
- It was an NAD or GC officer that arranged for the 3ABN board to ask ASI to review the various allegations and evidence uncovered by Gailon against Danny Shelton et. al., including the allegations raised in Glenn Dryden's 2003 letter?
- Some of the individuals involved in the "investigation" are retired pastors/administrators, and/or other individuals who currently hold credentials issued by the denomination?
It just seems like your statement may be splitting hairs and giving a distorted picture of what is really going on. While Gailon wasn't officially authorized to investigate, he was unofficially asked to investigate, etc. And I find it difficult to believe that a man like Elder Denslow would be helping to distort the picture of what has been going on.
I trust that I will not have to wait nearly three months to receive an open letter from an anonymous person that answers these simple questions.
Bob
Fallible human Being was the user name of Walt Thompson's son, Greg Thompson, who Walt allegedly thought we had caused to lose his teaching job for something he told a student 13 years or so before. Never did find out what that was about.
Joe Smith was the user name of Ronnie Shelton, or his wife.
Really, given the facts brought out in this email, it was totally inexcusable for Danny, 3ABN, and the board members to sue Gailon and myself. We gave them every opportunity possible to explain how there had been misunderstandings regarding the Sheltons' corruption, and they refused to explain anything. Shutting us up, smashing us, destroying us, and deception was all they were interested in.
The Good Book says that he who has showed no mercy will receive no mercy. As in the providence of God the lawyers press their demands at this time, what sort of mercy might this bunch receive?
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Before I send this letter to the Woods, when was this "letter written"???? (Tommy's letter about the Woods)I want as much information as I can have when I write them. this is really important to me. As I said on the other site, after my experience- maybe I can't trust anyone, anymore. :'(
mrst53, I have found it is better to place ones trust in God alone... With that said, search out the facts for yourself, find who is consistant in what they claim and as further light shines upon the evidence, look at what they have said in the past concerning the same issues and what they continue to claim. In the case of Tommy Shelton, when they continue trying to prove that Tommy is innocent, when he has already plead guilty, appears to be an argument contradicting the current light on the subject. If you want to compare what others, including myself, have written about Tommy in the past, read on BSDA. Obviously, those who stated that Tommy had sexual problems with boys and young men appear to be in agreement with Tommy's own profession in a court of law. The one testimony that is consistently in agreement with Tommy's plea is that of his victims...
Place your trust in God and use the intelligence He has given you to choose whom you are willing to believe. Tommy and his victims or those who are defending him?
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Sister,
Only God truly knows someone deep down, no matter what kind of "front" they put on. As I asked on the other site, "Why would any adult (male, especially) come forth after all these years, to put themselves up for ridicule and rebuke from the world, unless it was true?" Even my husband doesn't believe the victims are lying. He says males would just not come forth, unless it was true.
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Especially so many of them.
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Sister,
Only God truly knows someone deep down, no matter what kind of "front" they put on. As I asked on the other site, "Why would any adult (male, especially) come forth after all these years, to put themselves up for ridicule and rebuke from the world, unless it was true?" Even my husband doesn't believe the victims are lying. He says males would just not come forth, unless it was true.
mrst53,
I agree with your husband. I believe when Tommy plead guilty, he was finally telling the truth. I believe the testimony of Tommy's victims. I believe there are probably many more victims... Unless someone has been the victim of a sexual predator, they can not imagine the shame and the pain that a victim suffers. These young men who have come forward deserve our support and prayers, not the callus rebuke of misguided individuals who have been verbally abusing the victims and championing the abuser.
Only God is worthy of our trust, but we can investigate and intelligently choose whom to believe. In the case of Tommy Shelton, I believe his victims.
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I would not believe a word that those two pastors say!
Here are a few questions, I would like to see them answer.
1. Do they have any shame?
2. Are they sorry for believing Tommy and allowing him to be their predecessor?
3. Do they take responsibility, for allowing a child predator to prey on more children after it was abundantly clear they knew of his past?
4. Are they willing to submit their license to preach to their ministerial association?
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Proffaber tosses around facts that are irrefutably false.
He likes to comment on legal issues. Whether he is or not, this gives the impression that he is Walt Thompson's son, Greg, who has since the scandal broke open become a paralegal.
He reminds me of a quote Ronald Reagan once made. He said, "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so."
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Now THIS is priceless. On the other site, mrst is admonished by Penny and Cindy to "carefully consider" her motives beforer writing to Jenings and Gail Wood. Penny actually said this,
Listening may be one of the best ways to garner truth, but most people are so delighted at the sound of their voice, hearing their own thoughts and opinions being rendered or so thoroughly on the path of their agenda, that they don't take time to listen. Even when they are not talking, they often are not listening either...but rather thinking about what they will say next to press home their point.
Am I the only one who finds that absolutely hilarious? Do they even read what they write over there? That's exactly what all the defenders do on a daily basis! :ROFL:
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Now THIS is priceless. On the other site, mrst is admonished by Penny and Cindy to "carefully consider" her motives beforer writing to Jenings and Gail Wood. Penny actually said this,
Listening may be one of the best ways to garner truth, but most people are so delighted at the sound of their voice, hearing their own thoughts and opinions being rendered or so thoroughly on the path of their agenda, that they don't take time to listen. Even when they are not talking, they often are not listening either...but rather thinking about what they will say next to press home their point.
Am I the only one who finds that absolutely hilarious? Do they even read what they write over there? That's exactly what all the defenders do on a daily basis! :ROFL:
:dogwag:
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I truly believe that if Tommy were to admit publicly what he did, ask forgiveness from the victims and all those he has misled over the years and then state that he deserves whatever punishment the court hands down, there would still be those over there that would be blaming the victims and saying there was some underlying reason why he said that. The stuff they're writing lately borders on insanity.
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Guys,
I guess it's as hard for some of them to believe Tommy is guilty, as it is for me to believe that the Wood's hired Tommy knowing the formal allegations against him. I respect the Woods. But I am going to send the letter and I will even go talk to them if they ask me to. I am close enough to go. Maybe they will not even talk to me or they will ask me to wait until after the chance of a trial.
I know that both sites are pretty much against each other, so I would like to hear the Woods' side of this if I can.
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Guys,
I guess it's as hard for some of them to believe Tommy is guilty, as it is for me to believe that the Wood's hired Tommy knowing the formal allegations against him. I respect the Woods. But I am going to send the letter and I will even go talk to them if they ask me to. I am close enough to go. Maybe they will not even talk to me or they will ask me to wait until after the chance of a trial.
I know that both sites are pretty much against each other, so I would like to hear the Woods' side of this if I can.
Since they were the pastors leaving the church, I highly doubt that they DID hire Tommy. That would have been a decision for those left at the church. I know both the Woods. Not nearly as well as you know them of course, but they came to Ezra many times while Tommy was pastoring there. Is it possible that they recommended Tommy for the position? Absolutely. But, if they did, I don't think they would have unless they were TOTALLY convinced that there was absolutely NO truth to the allegations. They just don't strike me as being the type of people to deliberately set up a church that they had worked so hard to build over the years.
The only fault I see is that they did recommend a man whom they knew had some allegations in his past, but again, if they had known what has now come to light, I don't think they would have even considered him.
JMHO