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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on May 06, 2010, 08:18:33 AM
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Tommy's hearing was scheduled for today, May 6, at 9:00 AM EDT.
The preliminary word I've heard from Virginia is that the case did not get thrown out. The court found probable cause.
The two alleged victims testified. Tommy's defense attorney tried some motions which were denied. Carol Shelton, Danny Shelton, and Tammy Shelton Chance were present but did not testify.
That's all I've heard thus far.
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Well, that is a plus and a minus.
a plus for justice --but a minus for the itching palms of the "vipers" that will be funded by.......guess!
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Here's the first news link I've seen: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/fairfax/victims-testify-about-molestat.html
Warning: graphic content
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So, the Washington Post. And under the "Crime Scene" topic.
At least the Seventh-day Adventist Church was not mentioned.
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I understand the two cases are going to trial, separately. Is that correct?
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So some of the emails are correct then as DS felt TS was shielded or protected by the statute of limitations and thought he would get away with it and so they all cried false. It appears he just could not stop and finally caught where he was not so lucky.
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Ok? Because it seems these victims are younger than I expected. I am not sure anyone would think the SDA church would be mentioned at this point. Only if some victims appear from that time period. As it stands these are victims from his church so that will be the focus.
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Ok? Because it seems these victims are younger than I expected. I am not sure anyone would think the SDA church would be mentioned at this point. Only if some victims appear from that time period. As it stands these are victims from his church so that will be the focus.
I don't think the issue is whether the SDA church, the Church of God, the Catholic church or any other are mentioned. The issue should be Tommy has done wrong and is now going to face justice. I don't blame the SDAs for what happened to me, and I don't think any of the other victims do, either.
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So some of the emails are correct then as DS felt TS was shielded or protected by the statute of limitations and thought he would get away with it and so they all cried false. It appears he just could not stop and finally caught where he was not so lucky.
Absolutely. I assure you, the Illinois victims are watching this very closely. I believe this is only the beginning for Tommy. He never expected this day to happen.
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Duane,
I think they never do think they will get caught. They are always experts for cover up as you can readily see from some of the posters that yelled "innocent" .
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Absolutely. I assure you, the Illinois victims are watching this very closely. I believe this is only the beginning for Tommy. He never expected this day to happen.
Are there some indications that the Illinois victims you mention might take action themselves?
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Absolutely. I assure you, the Illinois victims are watching this very closely. I believe this is only the beginning for Tommy. He never expected this day to happen.
Are there some indications that the Illinois victims you mention might take action themselves?
All I can say at this point is that Danny and Tommy don't know as much as they think they do about the statute of limitations in Illinois. I know that sounds like a tease, but more information will hopefully be available shortly.
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All I can say at this point is that Danny and Tommy don't know as much as they think they do about the statute of limitations in Illinois. I know that sounds like a tease, but more information will hopefully be available shortly.
Well...I guess it's a tease, all right.
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I don't think the issue is whether the SDA church, the Church of God, the Catholic church or any other are mentioned. The issue should be Tommy has done wrong and is now going to face justice. I don't blame the SDAs for what happened to me, and I don't think any of the other victims do, either.
Glad you say that, Duane.
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Absolutely. I assure you, the Illinois victims are watching this very closely. I believe this is only the beginning for Tommy. He never expected this day to happen.
This seems interesting:
http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/sol_Illinois.html
Are there some indications that the Illinois victims you mention might take action themselves?
All I can say at this point is that Danny and Tommy don't know as much as they think they do about the statute of limitations in Illinois. I know that sounds like a tease, but more information will hopefully be available shortly.
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Will this man get Tommy out of trouble? His motions were denied.
http://www.childsexcrimes.com/PracticeAreas/The-Philosophy-of-Your-Defense.html
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Johan, do you know if this person is already involved in this case, or are you simply specuating and by doing so suggesting that TS hire him to represent him?
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Johan, do you know if this person is already involved in this case, or are you simply specuating and by doing so suggesting that TS hire him to represent him?
My understanding is that IS Tommy's attorney.
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It appears Gregory after reading that (and I cannot answer for Johann) that evidently this is what money can buy and maybe he suspects this man will help TS out if He suspects that this attorney will represent TS. The question is --is this who they will get for TS for big bucks?
Johann, Even though money can buy the best spinner, the fact remains in this case, "admission and witness" and you still have a jury that are human. I know what you meant.
I would like to mention about now the big bucks. After about 4 years of non watching 3abn, I ventured there on my computer and went through all programing and watched it again for a while. There I realized I missed all my past favorites, Lyle, Ken, Doug, Mark and most all on there, although I have all their cds and looked longingly at not having my lifetime 3abn to work from skyangel and then I realized something. I cannot blame the minglers because they have one thing in mind. They have souls won from their agenda and seminars. The people are hungry for what they say and not DS. It is established through the giant and anyone watching will definitely contribute as they present their individual presentations. In fact I will admit that the programing is definitely getting down to serious call and to show how close we are to the coming of Jesus and gives people the direct message that we are to hear. Except for a couple of good programs on Hope they just don't get it in some of there flamboyant programming. In fact I am realizing why my dislike for it as it almost seems like adversity to programming on 3abn. so with that said now, the remaining fact is that the DS crew like Satan did on the high peaks at using God's word against Jesus at the presumption he uses all the good and true for the "Shelton benefit." and now I can see why the "big bucks" keep coming in. The minglers seem to realize that their message is still getting through but where they are wrong is that they are financing the DS empire and the trick of it all is that the church CAN'T do anything about it with 3abn's Independence so what will the outcome be as they do not shun the evil??? The money pays DS and crew or family out of their mires. So is this "Hope" channel the churches "Hope". I Hope not. I think the thing that has to be done is all programming as the world sees 3abn transfer ed but somehow as i see it the right backing is not there for it. Don't know all the inner workings work but I do know it is not right.
One thing I came away with is a new urgent feeling of "work for the night is coming". but I will not send DS Money. what a trick for the last message and Satan is Clever.
Sorry for alway editing at the end as my mind is going back to phonic in spelling while my fingers still type fast. and then i remember I did not click on spell check.
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Johan, do you know if this person is already involved in this case, or are you simply specuating and by doing so suggesting that TS hire him to represent him?
My understanding is that IS Tommy's attorney.
But how can that be Tommy's attorney? It says, "A Law Practice Dedicated to Representing Those Falsely Accused of Child Sexual Abuse." With so many alleged victims in multiple states, the guy couldn't possibly honestly conclude that Tommy must be falsely accused, could he?
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Haven't people here claimed that Tommy was falsely accused? It appears from the news reports that the judge has not quite accepted that yet.
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But how can that be Tommy's attorney? It says, "A Law Practice Dedicated to Representing Those Falsely Accused of Child Sexual Abuse." With so many alleged victims in multiple states, the guy couldn't possibly honestly conclude that Tommy must be falsely accused, could he?
Will we ever be able to understand everything that is done to protect him?
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I understand that the case where Tommy Shelton would get up to a lifetime has been dropped. Seems like he might still get up to 15 years. What wouldn't you do to avoid that? That is a long time playing the piano for other inmates.
To some it may seem like that just cannot be true.
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But how can that be Tommy's attorney? It says, "A Law Practice Dedicated to Representing Those Falsely Accused of Child Sexual Abuse." With so many alleged victims in multiple states, the guy couldn't possibly honestly conclude that Tommy must be falsely accused, could he?
Will we ever be able to understand everything that is done to protect him?
Now you will see how the best "spinners" can arrange language that best fits their purpose. I hope someone will post them so all can see when documented. I am still counting on the human aspect of a jury. But yes Johann we are so familiar how it all works "Corrupted". Aren't we now in the world of almost no justice left?
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Jury May 17
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My understanding is that IS Tommy's attorney.
That is my understanding as well. And Bob, to answer your question, do you remember the story I told you a week or so ago about the guy who was going to become an attorney but decided to do something else? :)
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Someone opened up the Topix thread again and I'm already getting the blame for it. But...they say they don't fear me. One person sadi they noticed that I posted somewhere else right after it was reopened. LOL! They're so scared they're stalking me.
For the record, I did NOT open it back up nor do I know who did, and I only post with ONE screen name on Topix. :wave:
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My understanding is that IS Tommy's attorney.
That is my understanding as well. And Bob, to answer your question, do you remember the story I told you a week or so ago about the guy who was going to become an attorney but decided to do something else? :)
Could you refresh my memory by repeating that story? Even though I remember it well?
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The attorney's slogan can be whatever he makes it. Point is, TS, and his people, maintain his innocence(how, I don't know, but they do), and that he is being falsely accused........afterall the age of consent is 17 in IL so i hear.......sigh.....but I digress. It makes perfect sense that they would retain this type of representation. Doesn't mean it will help him any, just that he has retained someone who specializes in this type of case. :dunno:
But how can that be Tommy's attorney? It says, "A Law Practice Dedicated to Representing Those Falsely Accused of Child Sexual Abuse." With so many alleged victims in multiple states, the guy couldn't possibly honestly conclude that Tommy must be falsely accused, could he?
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And you can be assured that they will do everything possible to have the other times he was accused of the same kept from the jury.
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Could you refresh my memory by repeating that story? Even though I remember it well?
Are you sure?
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Seems like I read the other day somebody over at topix suggesting that one of the alleged victims might have a criminal background? If that were true, wouldn't TS lawyers have jumped all over that at the preliminary hearing? I thought it was a pretty sick allegation to make.
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Why would they? When the district attorney could just say that was just how much damage TS affected the lives of his victims. I don't think that they want to open that can of worms.
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Why would they? When the district attorney could just say that was just how much damage TS affected the lives of his victims. I don't think that they want to open that can of worms.
Because it would go to credibility, Diane. But the point was that it simply is not true.
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I have been away for a while. I have tried to catch up on the news and this one really is news. I wonder what the people are saying who were so pro-shelton now. I do think it is a sad very very sad saga, but child molestation is a very serious offense. I find no joy out of what is going on and for the victims I am very sorry for the suffering they must endure. I am just waiting for the other shoe to drop, the one that brings 3abn to the spotlight. It is my prayer that none of the children there has been involved because if they have it will be terrible.
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LOL, christian, for all intents and purposes, they are saying that TS is innocent.....basically the same thing they were saying before the arrest.
Ok, Snoop, let's go back to Abuse 101.....................The victim turned to a life of crime(be that theft, robbery to get drugs, assault, .........you name it) after being abused by TS. This is a typical text book response to abuse. If I know that, and it really is common knowledge, I don't believe a competent attorney would even go down that path. This would be too easily transferred to a plus for the DA. A good expert witnes on the psychology of abuse, etc. In this type of case, it will be more quickly associated with the abuse, the one's credibility. Got it? But hey, those are just my thoughts.
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LOL, christian, for all intents and purposes, they are saying that TS is innocent...
They aren't actually saying that Tommy Shelton is innocent anymore...are they?
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LOL, christian, for all intents and purposes, they are saying that TS is innocent...
They aren't actually saying that Tommy Shelton is innocent anymore...are they?
Actually, yes. You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
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LOL, christian, for all intents and purposes, they are saying that TS is innocent...
They aren't actually saying that Tommy Shelton is innocent anymore...are they?
Actually, yes. You have no proof of this Artiste. Tommy Shelton is NOT a pedophile nor is he a child molester. The SDA Church is not involved because it IS NOT TRUE!
At one point as the evidence gathers like the vulture over the dead or dying prey one will have to except the facts that something stinks. The problem is that it is often very difficult for people that have been brainwashed to be reprogrammed. As one gets older he understands where there is a large gathering of flies there is probably stink. Short of showing Tommy doing the deed those who have a vested interested in his innocence will continue to support the presumption that the man did nothing wrong when before them they have letters and the like etc... When it becomes scary is when the reported people of God church leaders still hold to the innocence when the bible says when two or three witnesses it is established. In this case there are multiple victims which is a sign something is definitely wrong.
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Ok, Snoop, let's go back to Abuse 101.....................The victim turned to a life of crime(be that theft, robbery to get drugs, assault, .........you name it) after being abused by TS. This is a typical text book response to abuse. If I know that, and it really is common knowledge, I don't believe a competent attorney would even go down that path. This would be too easily transferred to a plus for the DA. A good expert witnes on the psychology of abuse, etc. In this type of case, it will be more quickly associated with the abuse, the one's credibility. Got it? But hey, those are just my thoughts.
I have neither the desire, inclination or energy to argue with you about this Diane. I never took "Abuse 101". I was simply trying to make the point that I don't think the young man does have a criminal record. That's all. Period.
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http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
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What looks worse then... is that DS put him in the programing after he knew of TS criminal behavior. Records show DS knew way back with the proof of "statute of limitation" letters. Did TS then actually work with the children as a true fact or just his name on programming after this knowledge. I sort of remember that he did but do not trust my timing thoughts without going through tons of posts.
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http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
It's worse than that. My understanding is that they did indeed know of the allegations. I also understand that Tommy's ordination certificate was signed after knowledge of the allegations.
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http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
It's worse than that. My understanding is that they did indeed know of the allegations. I also understand that Tommy's ordination certificate was signed after knowledge of the allegations.
so would both denominations be responsible? But then has victims came from both that will witness? hmmmm.
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http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
Fairfax Pastor Accused of Abuse
By Kevin Goldberg on May 7, 2010 7:17 AM
The Washington Post reports that Pastor Tommy Shelton has been accused of sexuallly abusing several young teens in Fairfax, VA...
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...Thus a lawsuit can possibly be brought agains the church or school rather than just against the individual. If you are the victim of sexual abuse, please consider calling 888-213-8140 and speaking to an attorney for a confidential, free consultation about what your options are.
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I wonder how some of the Seventh-day Adventist church leaders would react if 3ABN were named in a civil suit.
Would they still love being seen on 3ABN so much?
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http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
Fairfax Pastor Accused of Abuse
By Kevin Goldberg on May 7, 2010 7:17 AM
The Washington Post reports that Pastor Tommy Shelton has been accused of sexuallly abusing several young teens in Fairfax, VA...
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...Thus a lawsuit can possibly be brought agains the church or school rather than just against the individual. If you are the victim of sexual abuse, please consider calling 888-213-8140 and speaking to an attorney for a confidential, free consultation about what your options are.
It also states this:
Individuals who are sexually abused by a pastor, teachor, priest or anyone else in an authoritative postiion should consider consulting with an attorney. The civil justice system may allow such individuals to bring a lawsuit against such individuals for assault, batter, negligence and other legal causes of action relating to sexual abuse. Furthermore, the entity that hires an individual who abuses his or her position of authority can be held legally accountable for negligent hiring.
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http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
Fairfax Pastor Accused of Abuse
By Kevin Goldberg on May 7, 2010 7:17 AM
The Washington Post reports that Pastor Tommy Shelton has been accused of sexuallly abusing several young teens in Fairfax, VA...
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...Thus a lawsuit can possibly be brought agains the church or school rather than just against the individual. If you are the victim of sexual abuse, please consider calling 888-213-8140 and speaking to an attorney for a confidential, free consultation about what your options are.
It also states this:
Individuals who are sexually abused by a pastor, teachor, priest or anyone else in an authoritative postiion should consider consulting with an attorney. The civil justice system may allow such individuals to bring a lawsuit against such individuals for assault, batter, negligence and other legal causes of action relating to sexual abuse. Furthermore, the entity that hires an individual who abuses his or her position of authority can be held legally accountable for negligent hiring.
Interesting that it says "individual" and not "minor" isn't it?
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http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
Fairfax Pastor Accused of Abuse
By Kevin Goldberg on May 7, 2010 7:17 AM
The Washington Post reports that Pastor Tommy Shelton has been accused of sexuallly abusing several young teens in Fairfax, VA...
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...Thus a lawsuit can possibly be brought agains the church or school rather than just against the individual. If you are the victim of sexual abuse, please consider calling 888-213-8140 and speaking to an attorney for a confidential, free consultation about what your options are.
It also states this:
Individuals who are sexually abused by a pastor, teachor, priest or anyone else in an authoritative postiion should consider consulting with an attorney. The civil justice system may allow such individuals to bring a lawsuit against such individuals for assault, batter, negligence and other legal causes of action relating to sexual abuse. Furthermore, the entity that hires an individual who abuses his or her position of authority can be held legally accountable for negligent hiring.
Interesting that it says "individual" and not "minor" isn't it?
Yep!
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Don't argue, Snoopy, just learn. Sometimes these things are not common knowledge, but there is no good reason why they sould not be, other than the person(s) has not encountered this type of situation before. Sexual and physical abuse are always companied by emotional and mental abuse. they always have to keep the victim in a mind set to allow the abuse that is to come. This always includes the tearing down of one's self image, which we know leads to all types of other unforntunate behaviors.
My point was that it would be all to easy for the DA to say that the reason the victim even turned to a life of crime, was because of the abuse. It is not a hard case to prove. That was my only point. :-)
Ok, Snoop, let's go back to Abuse 101.....................The victim turned to a life of crime(be that theft, robbery to get drugs, assault, .........you name it) after being abused by TS. This is a typical text book response to abuse. If I know that, and it really is common knowledge, I don't believe a competent attorney would even go down that path. This would be too easily transferred to a plus for the DA. A good expert witnes on the psychology of abuse, etc. In this type of case, it will be more quickly associated with the abuse, the one's credibility. Got it? But hey, those are just my thoughts.
I have neither the desire, inclination or energy to argue with you about this Diane. I never took "Abuse 101". I was simply trying to make the point that I don't think the young man does have a criminal record. That's all. Period.
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Wouldn't this also make 3ABN responsible?
http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
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Here are some of the attorneys Tommy Shelton is facing in this case.
http://www.manlyandstewart.com/
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Wouldn't this also make 3ABN responsible?
Why not?
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Could this become one of the greatest obstacles the board of 3ABN has ever faced?
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Here are some of the attorneys Tommy Shelton is facing in this case.
http://www.manlyandstewart.com/
Looks like Tommy's attorneys have their work cut out for them, doesn't it?
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Ok, so you all know that I can be slow at times. I can see where they might hold the church partly responsible, but I am not sure about 3ABN? How so? I guess I need to ask was there an actual "incident" during any time TS was at 3ABN?
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John C. Manly--Named one of California’s “Top 100 Attorneys” by the Los Angeles Daily Journal, and Orange County's most "Buzzworthy" attorney by Orange Coast Magazine, John C. Manly is the nation's leading attorney in the civil protection of victims of childhood sexual abuse.??
For the past fifteen years, John has been a leading civil authority on the Clergy Abuse Crisis in the United States and abroad. After winning a record settlement against the Diocese of Orange for his first clergy abuse client, John has built a powerful team of consultants and experts that is unmatched worldwide. Now representing more than 500 clients in numerous states, territories, and foreign countries, Manly and his team have been prominently featured in print and on broadcast news in the U.S. and abroad for their work to expose perpetrators and the men and women who cover up for them.
John and his team have won some of the largest monetary civil awards – in trial and settlement - for men and women who were sexually abused as children. The reason for their unrivaled success resides in their deep intrinsic knowledge in the institutions that have harbored sex offenders, including the Catholic Church.
In the past few years, John and his team have represented more than 150 clergy sexual abuse victims in California, including clients in the recent $100 million settlement against the Diocese of Orange, the $660 million settlement against the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and the $150 million settlement against the Diocese of San Diego. In Alaska, John has represented approximately 300 Alaska Native victims in a $50 million settlement against the Jesuit Order as well as victims in the Diocese of Fairbanks and in new cases against the Jesuits. ??
John’s recent work in Delaware representing more than 75 victims of child sexual abuse has led to the exposure of numerous clerics and employees who, despite credible allegations and/or confessions, were allowed to continue working with children. ??He also represents clients in Connecticut, South Dakota and New York.
Now this is interesting!
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Ok, so you all know that I can be slow at times. I can see where they might hold the church partly responsible, but I am not sure about 3ABN? How so? I guess I need to ask was there an actual "incident" during any time TS was at 3ABN?
I think there may have been. At the very least, I recall at least one of the alleged victims saying that something happened on 3ABN's premises.
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Ok, so you all know that I can be slow at times. I can see where they might hold the church partly responsible, but I am not sure about 3ABN? How so? I guess I need to ask was there an actual "incident" during any time TS was at 3ABN?
I think there may have been. At the very least, I recall at least one of the alleged victims saying that something happened on 3ABN's premises.
I can tell you for a fact there were incidents while he was working for 3ABN.
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I can tell you for a fact there were incidents while he was working for 3ABN.
Doesn't sound good for 3ABN.
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John C. Manly--Named one of California’s “Top 100 Attorneys” by the Los Angeles Daily Journal...
John’s recent work in Delaware representing more than 75 victims of child sexual abuse has led to the exposure of numerous clerics and employees who, despite credible allegations and/or confessions, were allowed to continue working with children.
Really interesting.
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Don't argue, Snoopy, just learn. Sometimes these things are not common knowledge, but there is no good reason why they sould not be, other than the person(s) has not encountered this type of situation before. Sexual and physical abuse are always companied by emotional and mental abuse. they always have to keep the victim in a mind set to allow the abuse that is to come. This always includes the tearing down of one's self image, which we know leads to all types of other unforntunate behaviors.
My point was that it would be all to easy for the DA to say that the reason the victim even turned to a life of crime, was because of the abuse. It is not a hard case to prove. That was my only point. :-)
Ok, Snoop, let's go back to Abuse 101.....................The victim turned to a life of crime(be that theft, robbery to get drugs, assault, .........you name it) after being abused by TS. This is a typical text book response to abuse. If I know that, and it really is common knowledge, I don't believe a competent attorney would even go down that path. This would be too easily transferred to a plus for the DA. A good expert witnes on the psychology of abuse, etc. In this type of case, it will be more quickly associated with the abuse, the one's credibility. Got it? But hey, those are just my thoughts.
I have neither the desire, inclination or energy to argue with you about this Diane. I never took "Abuse 101". I was simply trying to make the point that I don't think the young man does have a criminal record. That's all. Period.
Obviously you missed my entire point, which is fine. I give up.
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No, I got your point. If he has a criminal record, then his crediblity is at risk in the entire statement being truthful in regards to being molested.
I was just giving you another point. If it is proven that his criminal activity began after being molested, the DA can use it as being a result of the molestation. That won't help TS one little bit. Just show that he completely wrecked the life of this young man.
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I guess I must have missed something, but are there 2 trials going on- one civil and 1 felony? I mean the DA is handling the molestation charges right? and John Manley is handling a separate civil trial? :scratch:
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I have another question- don't churches normally do a background check on new pastors and other employees? Or do they just take other people's word for their good background? What a joke :ROFL: I am not laughing at any of you, because in my old Baptist church, this is what happened to us. The preacher that came to us, had come with such a glowing recommendation :thumbsup:, should have been the 1st thing the pastoral committee noticed.
After we got him, we found out why- they could hardly wait to get rid of him :ROFL: That's why they said he was so GREAT! Seems the church before theirs had done the same thing and they could hardly wait to get rid of him ;D
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I guess I must have missed something, but are there 2 trials going on- one civil and 1 felony? I mean the DA is handling the molestation charges right? and John Manley is handling a separate civil trial? :scratch:
You are correct the DA is handling the molestation charge. Manly has been retained by one of the victims for a possible civil suit.
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John C. Manly--Named one of California’s “Top 100 Attorneys” by the Los Angeles Daily Journal, and Orange County's most "Buzzworthy" attorney by Orange Coast Magazine, John C. Manly is the nation's leading attorney in the civil protection of victims of childhood sexual abuse.??
For the past fifteen years, John has been a leading civil authority on the Clergy Abuse Crisis in the United States and abroad. After winning a record settlement against the Diocese of Orange for his first clergy abuse client, John has built a powerful team of consultants and experts that is unmatched worldwide. Now representing more than 500 clients in numerous states, territories, and foreign countries, Manly and his team have been prominently featured in print and on broadcast news in the U.S. and abroad for their work to expose perpetrators and the men and women who cover up for them.
John and his team have won some of the largest monetary civil awards – in trial and settlement - for men and women who were sexually abused as children. The reason for their unrivaled success resides in their deep intrinsic knowledge in the institutions that have harbored sex offenders, including the Catholic Church.
In the past few years, John and his team have represented more than 150 clergy sexual abuse victims in California, including clients in the recent $100 million settlement against the Diocese of Orange, the $660 million settlement against the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, and the $150 million settlement against the Diocese of San Diego. In Alaska, John has represented approximately 300 Alaska Native victims in a $50 million settlement against the Jesuit Order as well as victims in the Diocese of Fairbanks and in new cases against the Jesuits. ??
John’s recent work in Delaware representing more than 75 victims of child sexual abuse has led to the exposure of numerous clerics and employees who, despite credible allegations and/or confessions, were allowed to continue working with children. ??He also represents clients in Connecticut, South Dakota and New York.
Now this is interesting!
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Do you have a suggestion what can be done to save 3ABN and the connection to the church?
Wouldn't this also make 3ABN responsible?
http://www.gfmlawllc.com/blog/
This law firm indicates the church which hired Tommy Shelton is responsible as well. Should they have investigated if he had a clean record?
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I'm wondering if the 3ABN "brand" is too tainted by now to be of any use to the church.
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John C. Manly--Named one of California’s “Top 100 Attorneys” by the Los Angeles Daily Journal...
John’s recent work in Delaware representing more than 75 victims of child sexual abuse has led to the exposure of numerous clerics and employees who, despite credible allegations and/or confessions, were allowed to continue working with children.
Really interesting.
I think this is what happened at 3ABN with Tommy Shelton and the children's music programing.
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When people call the station to ask they have usually in the past been told it is all a lie. Some of them will be surprised now when they read about this in the national papers.
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Yes, I have personally known people who heard the allegations explained but then said they "wanted to hear both sides" because they didn't want to believe the things about 3ABN.
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Here is a case that the attorney John C. Manly won. Seems to me the victim did a great job picking an attorney.
http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/periscope/notorious-irish-pedophile-priest-discovered-working-with-kids-in-holland-92049089.html (http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/periscope/notorious-irish-pedophile-priest-discovered-working-with-kids-in-holland-92049089.html)
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This was reported at the end of April so it is recent.
A notorious Irish pedophile priest who abused children for many years in America has been discovered helping out as a church deacon in Rotterdam under an assumed name and working a shelter for abused women and their children.
Father Oliver O'Grady served as a priest at St. Anne's Catholic Church in Lodi, California from 1971 to 1978. He later served at Church of the Presentation in Stockton, California, Sacred Heart Catholic Church in Turlock, California, St. Andrew's Parish in San Andreas, California, and St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Hughson, California.
In 1993 he was convicted on four counts of "lewd and lascivious acts" on two minors, the brothers John and James Howard, and was sentenced to 14 years in prison. Attorney Jeff Anderson said the Howards were repeatedly molested between 1978 and 1991, from age three to 13. Anderson claimed church officials knew that O'Grady had abused children as early as 1976 and 1984 but had done nothing. Police had been informed of earlier charges and had declined to prosecute.
In 1998 a civil jury ordered the Catholic Diocese of Stockton to pay US$30 million in damages to the brothers. A judge later reduced the amount to $7 million.
O'Grady was paroled from prison in 2000 after serving only seven years, and went to Ireland after being deported from the United States.
He claimed to have been himself molested by a priest at the age of 10, and that he was involved in sexual abuse in his own family, both as perpetrator and victim. One of his victims was just nine months old.
The defrocked priest referred to himself as 'Brother Francis' in Rotterdam. He was thought to be living in Ireland but had recently disappeared. He was found by the Sunday Tribune newspaper.
The parishioners attending the Church of the Holy Heart, Christ Our Redeemer, had no knowledge about the man once described as one of the most dangerous pedophiles ever. The newspaper reported he was also working at a fast food restaurant where he helped organize children's parties.
He gained notoriety when the film "Deliver Us From Evil' was released about his case. It was when the documentary was released in Holland two weeks ago that he was recognized.
Parishioners told the Sunday Tribune he was "acting as a church deacon, helping the priest with the sacraments and organising the choir singing. On one occasion, when the priest was late, the defrocked cleric celebrated the mass until he arrived."
Fr Avin Kunnekkadan, on said he was unaware of O'Grady's criminal past.
"I did not know about his background. I did not know about his past at all," he said this weekend. An announcement was made at the church last week informing the congregation about O'Grady's criminal past.
Last week, O'Grady was also served with a civil action at his Dublin hostel by Californian attorneys Manly, McGuire & Stewart.
The firm specialises in clerical sex abuse cases and represents several of O'Grady's victims who are taking civil actions against him
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Here is an interview with attorney John C. Manly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwBubLouGQI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwBubLouGQI)
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Uuuhhhh where do you live? I know this story! LOL!!! You know NCC just paid, or should have just paid something approaching $10mil to one girl who was molested at one of our schools here. He came from Idaho as a convicted, registered child molester..........."nobody" knew that........after molesting at least two girls at the school here.........he went on the Nevada to a Jr. academy to continue........at least he was finally convicted again and sent to prison when he had sex with a 15 year old there.............sigh.....................background checks.....yeah right! LOL!!
I have another question- don't churches normally do a background check on new pastors and other employees? Or do they just take other people's word for their good background? What a joke :ROFL: I am not laughing at any of you, because in my old Baptist church, this is what happened to us. The preacher that came to us, had come with such a glowing recommendation :thumbsup:, should have been the 1st thing the pastoral committee noticed.
After we got him, we found out why- they could hardly wait to get rid of him :ROFL: That's why they said he was so GREAT! Seems the church before theirs had done the same thing and they could hardly wait to get rid of him ;D
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I found this posted over at BlackSDA. Posted July 2007. Under the thread "Will Victims be Vindicated?"
I believe the Poster was: Ozzie.
Posted 15 July 2007 - 07:49 PM
From AAP:
US$660m payout in clergy abuse cases
Monday Jul 16 05:49 AEST
The Roman Catholic Church in Los Angeles will pay a record US$660 million settlement to more than 500 victims of sexual abuse by clergy.
A statement announcing the deal between lawyers representing 508 victims and the Los Angeles archdiocese is expected to head off a potentially explosive court case.
"Some of the victims have waited more than five decades for a chance at reconciliation and resolution," said Ray Boucher, the lead attorney for victims in the case. "This is a down payment on that debt long overdue."
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Attorneys for both sides will appear in Los Angeles Superior Court to file the settlement, which must be approved by a judge, Boucher said.
"It's been a long, hard slog," church attorney J. Michael Hennigan told the Los Angeles Times. "I'm delighted to see it's come to a conclusion."
The 660-million-dollar deal, which covers cases dating as far back as the 1940s, will be the largest settlement by any Roman Catholic archdiocese to sex abuse victims in the United States.
Abuse cases across the country have cost Roman Catholic churches around US$2.1 billion to date. Several priests have been convicted and at least four dioceses have gone bankrupt paying civil penalties.
The Los Angeles diocese is expected to sell off property to pay for the settlement. The Times reported earlier this year that the diocese, America's largest, had real estate holdings of around US$4 billion.
The church had already settled 46 cases in December for US$60 million.
John Manly, a lawyer who represented around 50 victims who now stand to receive payouts of around US$1.25 million, said the archdiocese had settled to avoid the embarrassment of a court case.
Manly said the release of internal documents as part of the settlement would raise questions over the leadership of Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony.
"I think when people see the documents and see what he knew and what he did they will be stunned," Manly said.
Victims accuse Mahony of allegedly covering up evidence of child molestation by transferring priests to other churches and for trying to keep the abuse reports secret.
"Cardinal Mahony paying out money is great, but where is the accountability from the hierarchy of the church?" Manly said. "They will continue their lives as normal; the victims still have to deal with a lifetime of problems."
Manly questioned why Mahony had not been held to account.
"If what transpired under his leadership was bad enough to pay a half billion dollars, why is he still walking free, and why hasn't the district attorney taken action against him?" Manly said.
The abuse cases also highlighted a failing of the justice authorities, Manly added.
"I hope this causes the power structure — Los Angeles law enforcement, the courts, the people in power — to look at what happened and ask how, in the midst of all this stuff for 50 years, only three priests were convicted," he said.
"By any standard that tells you law enforcement was turning a blind eye to this."
Barbara Blaine, the leader of nationwide victims support group Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP), meanwhile called the settlement "wonderful news for all the victims."
She praised the "brave victims, compassionate lawmakers and victims' attorneys, who took hard, uncertain cases and overcame seemingly endless hardball tactics by bishops" to win the case.
Blaine said she believed the church had settled not out of compassion, but to avoid disclosing "under oath, in open court, how much the church's corporate officials knew about and how little they did about pedophile priests, nuns, brothers and seminarians."
Blaine said she hoped the church documents detailing the abuse cases would expose the truth.
"No amount of money can give the victims back their lost innocence and stolen childhoods, but hopefully this will put some closure on very painful part of their lives," she said.
The Los Angeles settlement dwarfs figures from other cases. The previous biggest payout was in Boston, where victims accepted a deal worth US$157 million dollars.
Hopefully, we will see the victims associated with 3ABN vindicated, as these people have. Some have waited over 50 years to have this happen. May the people who have allegedly been victims associated with any of our Churhes or associated ministries, not have to wait that long.
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Hopefully, we will see the victims associated with 3ABN vindicated, as these people have. Some have waited over 50 years to have this happen. May the people who have allegedly been victims associated with any of our Churhes or associated ministries, not have to wait that long.
Vindication needs to come about for the 3ABN victims.
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Hopefully, we will see the victims associated with 3ABN vindicated, as these people have. Some have waited over 50 years to have this happen. May the people who have allegedly been victims associated with any of our Churhes or associated ministries, not have to wait that long.
Vindication needs to come about for the 3ABN victims.
Vindication needs to come for ALL victims.
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Agreed, ST.
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Princess di,
This particular incident happened in Stafford, VA. I don't know exactly when he came from except from another VA church and went to another VA church. Don't know where he has gone since then. I don't think anyone from our church said anything negative either. He ran our church way into debt- of course the elders let him. What idiots. I told them early on, things I had learned about him, because I worked closely with him, at the school. No one believed me. They thought I just didn't like him- I didn't :ROFL:
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Well, the incident I am talking about is occuring as we speak on the left coast in Cali.............Man!!!
Princess di,
This particular incident happened in Stafford, VA. I don't know exactly when he came from except from another VA church and went to another VA church. Don't know where he has gone since then. I don't think anyone from our church said anything negative either. He ran our church way into debt- of course the elders let him. What idiots. I told them early on, things I had learned about him, because I worked closely with him, at the school. No one believed me. They thought I just didn't like him- I didn't :ROFL:
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Princess di,
This particular incident happened in Stafford, VA. I don't know exactly when he came from except from another VA church and went to another VA church. Don't know where he has gone since then. I don't think anyone from our church said anything negative either. He ran our church way into debt- of course the elders let him. What idiots. I told them early on, things I had learned about him, because I worked closely with him, at the school. No one believed me. They thought I just didn't like him- I didn't :ROFL:
Mrst53...Didn't I read somewhere that you was a member of this church, where Tommy pastored? If this is or was the case; Do you think you could find out why Tommy was hired in midst of these allegations?
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If Danny Shelton and his brothers were innocent he'd never be making all those phone calls threatening people. Acts of desperation!!!
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Samuel,
I have been trying to do that. I was a member when I was growing up,but left the church in 1973. I still keep in touch with friends who know some people still there. I think I am going to try and get in touch with Jennings B. Wood(Barnie). He was the pastor there when I was there and began the church. He still has a church in my area and I am sure he is sick at heart at what went on. If I find out anything, I will let you know.
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Samuel,
I have been trying to do that. I was a member when I was growing up,but left the church in 1973. I still keep in touch with friends who know some people still there. I think I am going to try and get in touch with Jennings B. Wood(Barnie). He was the pastor there when I was there and began the church. He still has a church in my area and I am sure he is sick at heart at what went on. If I find out anything, I will let you know.
That would be great!
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I read something interesting on Yahoo news that might interest the Tommy Ray Shelton supporters and victims:
WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Monday that federal officials can indefinitely hold inmates considered "sexually dangerous" after their prison terms are complete...
Click on the link to read the rest of the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100517/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_sex_offender_law (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100517/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_sex_offender_law)
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I read something interesting on Yahoo news that might interest the Tommy Ray Shelton supporters and victims:
WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court ruled Monday that federal officials can indefinitely hold inmates considered "sexually dangerous" after their prison terms are complete...
Click on the link to read the rest of the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100517/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_sex_offender_law (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100517/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_sex_offender_law)
I saw that. I thought that was interesting that it came out right now.
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Samuel, I finally found the original Pastor address and phone # of Dunn Loring Church of God before Tommy came there. I just don't know how to approach him. I haven't seen nor talked to him in years. Any ideas???????
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I read the history of your church. Seems to be in the metropolitan area of Washington DC. It mentions various pastors and missionaries and ministries. Tommy Shelton seems wiped off the record and his name appears nowhere.
You hear of the places where the church met right from the beginning, building projects, etc.
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If he had been a minister in your church, would you want to claim him?(except 3abn of course) I read the history myself and didn't even notice that he had been omitted and niether did the person I read it too. Glad you picked up on it. Maybe I can use that as lead ???
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Samuel, I finally found the original Pastor address and phone # of Dunn Loring Church of God before Tommy came there. I just don't know how to approach him. I haven't seen nor talked to him in years. Any ideas???????
I would simply ask him what his feelings are, and what he knew when they had Tommy come as pastor. They obviously knew something.