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General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: Murcielago on September 13, 2010, 12:18:04 PM
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A British teenager sent an email to the White House in which he called the president a p**k. For calling the president a name, he has been banned for life from entering the USA. Are we, perhaps, getting a little thin-skinned and whiny?
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/offbeat/uk-teenager-banned-from-america-for-life-over-obscene-obama-email-091310 (http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/offbeat/uk-teenager-banned-from-america-for-life-over-obscene-obama-email-091310)
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Just for calling the president a punk? OH MY GOODNESS! Sometimes people don't like to hear the truth! Kudos to the teenager!
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I visited Poland while it was still ruled by the Communists, but I discovered the people of Poland survived by their sense of humor. One of the stories I head there then was this joke.
- We have the same freedom as the Americans have. There anyone has the right to shout in front of the White House, Down with the President of the United States. I Poland we have the same freedom. Here we can shout in front of the palace of our President, Down with the President of the United States!
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That's funny, Johann!
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A British teenager sent an email to the White House in which he called the president a p**k. For calling the president a name, he has been banned for life from entering the USA. Are we, perhaps, getting a little thin-skinned and whiny?
http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/offbeat/uk-teenager-banned-from-america-for-life-over-obscene-obama-email-091310 (http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/offbeat/uk-teenager-banned-from-america-for-life-over-obscene-obama-email-091310)
Perhaps, it was more to what he said than what he says he said in the e-mail. Yet here we are those on hateraid defending a UK citizen for doing that. If he was band from the U. S. for saying that, well that is just wrong, but we dont know exactly what was said in the e-mail do we. And why are we so quick to take what the UK person said as the gospel, he readily admits he was drunk perhaps he threatened the presidents life. Lets reserve our opinions and think the best of our country perhaps the little UK is a terrorist, upset at the good job the president is doing.
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Christian... Could we consider you a member of the Obama cult?
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Christian... Could we consider you a member of the Obama cult?
No more than I could consider you a memeber of the hate Michelle Obama cult. I was just saying there are two sides to every story and perhaps we should reserve our opinions untill all the fact are out.
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I do hope the news gets to show the email in its entirety. In any case, I hope you are right. It would be a shame if there were to be repercussions for calling the president names.
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I think times are coming quickly where name calling will be so chaff to the "heated rising and soaring of the eagle".
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Christian... Wait a moment... I would really like to challenge you to try something. Look up the screen name 'Horsethief' and see if I have, even once, put the first lady's name in any of my posts, or even referred to her in any fashion beside this post.
If I have mentioned her, then I will, with each member of Advent Talk as my witness, send you, through one of the site's moderators whom I know, a $100.00 bill.
But if I haven't, then I challenge you to apologize to me publicly in this forum for falsely claiming that I hate the First Lady.
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Christian... Wait a moment... I would really like to challenge you to try something. Look up the screen name 'Horsethief' and see if I have, even once, put the first lady's name in any of my posts, or even referred to her in any fashion beside this post.
If I have mentioned her, then I will, with each member of Advent Talk as my witness, send you, through one of the site's moderators whom I know, a $100.00 bill.
But if I haven't, then I challenge you to apologize to me publicly in this forum for falsely claiming that I hate the First Lady.
I am asking a public apology from you, I want you to apologize for claiming that I said you hate the First Lady. I want you to look up on the screen name "Christian" and provide the quote where I said that. If you cannot provide the quote I will be waiting for an open public aplogy. PLEASE DONT LET THIS OPPORTUNITY PASS YOU BY WITH SILENCE.
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Semantics aside Christian. You claimed I was a member of the "hate Michelle Obama cult".
Besides this post, I can't find anywhere I have brought up her name...
So for you to make that claim is nonsense. It's the same as accusing me of hating her...
You have no basis for that...
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However Christian, I will make this easier for you. If I misquoted you, then I do apologize.
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Someone seems to have quite an unusual obsession with Michelle Obama ;) and she is a fine looking woman, but there are other fish in the sea that are still swimming free.
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Christian...
You seem real fierce in your loyalty to President Obama. But let's face facts here. He's not doing so well right now. If he was, then the poll watchers wouldn't be predicting that the dems are about to lose the house and maybe even the senate. You have stated that he's doing a great job & you're entitled to believe and state that.
But the rest of the country ain't buyin' it...
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Someone seems to have quite an unusual obsession with Michelle Obama ;) and she is a fine looking woman, but there are other fish in the sea that are still swimming free.
Not really, actually I very seldom even think about her except that I caught on that a few people have a unatural hate for her on this site. I can see for some that she is a lightning rod for there hidden prejudices and so I repeat her name because it upsets them so much. Every time she is mentioned they just hit the roof with anger and hatred. I have stated before that I did not like George Bush, maintly because of the Iraqi war and the obvious slant towards the rich, but never, never did I even think for a moment ill of his wife. She (Michelle Obama) really is not that different from any first lady, she may do a few more speeches for her husband and for that I say more power to her. But for some it is way over the top (they even said something about her children, so I kinda feed into the hype a little; I figuire, if they will play that game, well, so will I.
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So, Christian... Who thinks ill of the First Lady on here? Could it be anyone who disagrees with you?
I noticed that you're using the 'HATE' label again...
You don't seem to have learned...
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There is no hate either "here" just observance of horrific ugly policies. and of course the woman thing picked up by many woman on "ethics" of normal actions, dress, and abnormal actions when one holds a position of "first lady". There is always comparison when it comes to women's abilities of being "class" not style but "class". and MO style has been clownish as I find myself looking for the next funny "style" when they announce she will be on TV. I can't believe I am drawn to that habit of looking to see what next. She pays the wrong person if she can't know for herself what is ridiculous. I have often wondered if her paid person does it on purpose to accentuate the worst possible views. I can create and sew better then those garbs. Of course she might not like it because I love simple "elegance" and know how to achieve it. and.... Obama may be closer then one might think :ROFL:
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Doing his speeches that he cannot do without the props is not the only thing she does for him in the political arena.
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Tinka, you know I like you, but the truth is the truth. You drink from the endless liter of Obama family haterade as often as you can. You cannot even stand the fact that either was born and still breath free air, and then had the audacity to procreate.....two times.
Now Christian, Tinka is the one who posts her distaste for the first family. Not sure I remember Horsethief saying anything. However, I am not here everyday reading, and I am not sure that Horsethief did not at the very least cosign to a post of Tinka's off color, racist statements regarding the first family.
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Now, to the OP. I am with Christian, of course. we don't know all that was said. AND we have to remember that in this post 911 world , you can't just go out and say what you want anymore. Now if it was a simple stupid statement from a not so bright, drunk teenager, then banned forever is a bit much. And who says he ever wanted to come to the USA? I think there must be more to this story.
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Racism? Ok, if My stance against the President is now qualified or labled "racism" I am guilty as Charged as well! I think it is uncalled for to assume that someone is racist only because they tell the truth about Barack Hussein Obama. Who cares if he is black? That is beside the point, the point is he is clearly one of the worst leaders in American history. He is a muslim/Islamic radical who has no heart, may we all pray that we never get attacked again, because Obama will "punk" out!! May God help this great nation.
P.S. OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST WHO CRAMS THINGS DOWN OUR THROATS THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS TOTALLY AGAINST! ONE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT NOVEMBER 2012 COMES FAST ENOUGH! GOD'S SPEED!
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princessdi,
I don't think tinka wants the Obamas dead or wishes they had never been born. She just doesn't like their political views nor does she like all the media hype that they are getting. She also thinks that Michelle could have a better tailor and hairdresser. With that I too agree. Michelle Obama is a beautiful woman, yet her hairdresser does not make the most of her beauty and that may be her or Barak's choice, I don't know. Her choice of clothes may also be her choice. She is a very tall woman with a woderful build and could handle clothes well and has her choice of clothing that would make her look stuning. Again all this may be her choice. She may choose to downplay her beauty, in order to not upstage her husband. Just my thoughts.
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Now Mrst, with Tinka, we have been around this block before. Even before President Obama's election. Everything about the Obamas bothers her, including the kids. because they are black. Simple as that.
With Adam this is his and I first time around this block, but he sounds exactly like Tinka and every other racist person, who cloaks their racism in having issues with his political policies. Now, there are some who just purely do have a problem with his policies. I am not painting all with a broad brush and sterotyping anyone. There is a difference when they speak of their dissatisfaction. I am just going by the comments made here. When enough of these thinly veiled racist comments have been directed at you and those close to you, you can recognize it immediately and even when it is not apparently clear to others. Believe, me, they are here spinning it. Nobody but the KKK and Arian Nation openly admit racism. The rest justify with all manner of madness. Been there, done that, got the tees hirt, hap, and mug.
Now as to Michelle's attire.......you know, I think she has to keep her position in mind. Plus you have to remember, she was working primarlily in law firms, then her husband was in the political area locally, etc. I just also think that her taste is pretty conservative. She could be a bit more trendy, but I don't believe that she is comfortable with that, as she seems to be dressing about the same as she always has. I have to admire her staying true to herself, and not losing herself in all the considerable hype. Bottom line, her husband not only likes it. but is openly proud of his beautiful wife. That might be enough even if he were Joe Blow on the street, but now that he is the Leader of the Free World, I wouldn't change a thing, either! LOL!!!
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Di, Di, how can you read so many words into my post that are entirely not true or that I have said and on the other hand Mrst53, Adam and others know exactly my point and what I am saying. You have made up your own opinion of what you think I say instead of reading the words.
We have been round and round on this racism thing and I could care less of the color of ones skin as long as their agenda is Christian, humble, intelligent, hard working for the benefit of others and their own agenda for and from our God given freedoms of this country. Right now they stand for none of this.Your not a kidding I am against the Obama's. and If they had white skin I would be still up in arms over this. I have seen actual pictures, I have read and saw the corruptions of these wicked things that are happening behind the scenes. I have saw things that you do not even want to see and I could very well post them on here under the right thread but it is just too much and I know it will come out eventually just as it is now coming little by little. The Americans that do not watch closely politicall stuff would be shocked. The biased liberal media have protected their agenda's. But it just like 3abn saga the evil will raise its ugly head and then you think the Black race will not stand up. You got another thing coming. There are whites that are against all KKK and the likes of the disgusting ones and that is me included and that is who will fight together. What makes me so angry is the deceitful way the oppressed are used to vote thinking it is for their good when a dirty trick is all that it was. Blacks don't have jobs and whites don't have jobs and soon the ugly head is spotted by all Americans and those that cannot get it will wonder what happened when they did not make it and it's too late. Racism is not going to be in heaven or those that still got it. So your remarks are your own and not my belief.
I truly believe it may already have gone too far this "Trojan Horse". Many more things are going to come out. I find it quite interesting that you and "Sebastian" cannot get it through your head my points and everyone else can. I truly believe the racism block is on your shoulders and this creepy talking guy that is way out in his observances. I noticed instantly his awareness of obama women. The only thing that got me angry is his manner of lustful speaking that readily acknowledged a sicko way of speaking. I knew he was no "Christian" to even speak like that or else he is a socialist Muslim from another country born and syphons off here. so you can agree with him all you want as my picture is way beyond someones skin. and on the other hand you better get it straight because I believe in the end The black and white Americans that will fight together on this mass distruction of America to get it turned around. and believe me there is more of us now then of you and Sebbycumlatly with lustful eyes appearing in the halls of the white house of the gracefully Obamalassies. Yuck! He presented this Ugly scenario all by him self....that is what I hate and I do not coin others words of "hateraid" cliche's to make a untruthful point. So with all that aside and hopefully stated to your understanding and approval I know we would like each other then that :console: I have many friends that do not talk like this but both them and me have the same agenda. :console: Freedom --have you not heard or read that all will suffer the same in the end of the worst since beginning of time. So what now makes us different??? :usa:
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Di, Di, how can you read so many words into my post that are entirely not true or that I have said and on the other hand Mrst53, Adam and others know exactly my point and what I am saying. You have made up your own opinion of what you think I say instead of reading the words.
We have been round and round on this racism thing and I could care less of the color of ones skin as long as their agenda is Christian, humble, intelligent, hard working for the benefit of others and their own agenda for and from our God given freedoms of this country. Right now they stand for none of this.Your not a kidding I am against the Obama's. and If they had white skin I would be still up in arms over this. I have seen actual pictures, I have read and saw the corruptions of these wicked things that are happening behind the scenes. I have saw things that you do not even want to see and I could very well post them on here under the right thread but it is just too much and I know it will come out eventually just as it is now coming little by little. The Americans that do not watch closely politicall stuff would be shocked. The biased liberal media have protected their agenda's. But it just like 3abn saga the evil will raise its ugly head and then you think the Black race will not stand up. You got another thing coming. There are whites that are against all KKK and the likes of the disgusting ones and that is me included and that is who will fight together. What makes me so angry is the deceitful way the oppressed are used to vote thinking it is for their good when a dirty trick is all that it was. Blacks don't have jobs and whites don't have jobs and soon the ugly head is spotted by all Americans and those that cannot get it will wonder what happened when they did not make it and it's too late. Racism is not going to be in heaven or those that still got it. So your remarks are your own and not my belief.
I truly believe it may already have gone too far this "Trojan Horse". Many more things are going to come out. I find it quite interesting that you and "Sebastian" cannot get it through your head my points and everyone else can. I truly believe the racism block is on your shoulders and this creepy talking guy that is way out in his observances. I noticed instantly his awareness of obama women. The only thing that got me angry is his manner of lustful speaking that readily acknowledged a sicko way of speaking. I knew he was no "Christian" to even speak like that or else he is a socialist Muslim from another country born and syphons off here. so you can agree with him all you want as my picture is way beyond someones skin. and on the other hand you better get it straight because I believe in the end The black and white Americans that will fight together on this mass distruction of America to get it turned around. and believe me there is more of us now then of you and Sebbycumlatly with lustful eyes appearing in the halls of the white house of the gracefully Obamalassies. Yuck! He presented this Ugly scenario all by him self....that is what I hate and I do not coin others words of "hateraid" cliche's to make a untruthful point. So with all that aside and hopefully stated to your understanding and approval I know we would like each other then that :console: I have many friends that do not talk like this but both them and me have the same agenda. :console: Freedom --have you not heard or read that all will suffer the same in the end of the worst since beginning of time. So what now makes us different??? :usa:
Tinka, I am completely convinced that you have convinced yourself that your hatred for Obama and his wife is strictly justified based on policy. You even state that others besides Di and I understand you and your constant hatred towards the Obama's as being driven by a pure and clean heart and desire to see freedom. Give me a break lady, you are so full of envy and jealousy it is ridiculous and the way you talk about Michelle Obama definitely shows that. Your reference to "Red Necks" as though it is them that made this country great is all a reflection to the state of mind and base principle of your character. and then you even try to justify by making a reference to a black red neck as if there was one. ----As I have stated before the tea party, hijacked from the libertarian party was started in as little as two weeks after Obama got in office. A significant portion of those in the tea party are racist who are dissatisfied with a black man being in office. You and others have been so brainwashed by the establishment that even things that should be important to Christians (Health Care) and compassion for the poor no matter what nationality are lost in your suppose privileged situation as a white woman in America. I was born in this country by the grace of God and that by no strength of my own. I am sure that if I was an Mexican or from South America I would probably want to come to this country too. I am grateful that many people of the world do want to come here to work and contribute to society, they are just as deserving of a prosperous life as I am.
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Racism? Ok, if My stance against the President is now qualified or labled "racism" I am guilty as Charged as well! I think it is uncalled for to assume that someone is racist only because they tell the truth about Barack Hussein Obama. Who cares if he is black? That is beside the point, the point is he is clearly one of the worst leaders in American history. He is a muslim/Islamic radical who has no heart, may we all pray that we never get attacked again, because Obama will "punk" out!! May God help this great nation.
P.S. OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST WHO CRAMS THINGS DOWN OUR THROATS THAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS TOTALLY AGAINST! ONE CAN ONLY HOPE THAT NOVEMBER 2012 COMES FAST ENOUGH! GOD'S SPEED!
So what did he cram down your throat? Did he cram down your throat the Iraqi war? How about the failed housing market? Okay, what do you base your statement on that he is a Muslin/Islamic radical? So you are a guilty racist? What truth have you told? We are basing you on your obvious unrealistic total lack of understanding, and on the fact you put George Bush Jr. in office for 8 years. How is he clearly one of the worst leaders in American History?
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There is often a misperception that if a person is strongly opposed to Obama they must support Bush. That assumption would be patently false. I believe that Obama is one of the worst things that has happened to this country, second only to Bush. The Patriot Act took many of the freedoms that make America great, and put them into the hands of a few government officials. In the name of freedom, Bush took away our freedom. On another categorical level, Obama has taken our financial and personal decision making freedoms from us in the name of financial freedom, and placed them in the hands of government beaurocrats. Tea Party...? A group that would love to take away our religious freedom. In short, the Democrats want to take our money and personal/family decision making away, the Republicans want to take our civil freedoms away, and the Tea Partiers want to take our religious freedoms away. They are an unclean lot who look on the populace as nothing more than sheep to be sheared. And that, Tinka, Christian, Princess and Adam is the present status of the cycles that have afflicted peoples and nations for the duration of recorded history.
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Each group has always done what they have done with the full and sincere belief that they were acting in the best interests of all parties. Look at South Africa. In 1624 when the Dutch traders settled in the Cape, there was no black population south of the Limpopo, there were only a smattering of San. Over time, the Dutch moved North and the Blacks moved south, and the inevitable conflict broke out. In 1795 the British took control and the Dutch Boers entered a period of conflict seeking freedom as an Afrikaaner nation that lasted until the mid 20th century when they won their country by popular vote, throwing out Jan Christian Smuts and the British. Whereupon, they proceeded to establish what they saw as a Biblical order of heirarchy in race: Boer, European, Coloured (mixed with white), and Black (bantu). They laid out Biblical principle, and demonstrated that all races would be happier and more successful in this system. They firmly believed that they knew what was best for everyone... just as Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Bush, Gore and so many others feel about us.
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Murcielago,
I agree, but somehow Ive missed the thing with the religious freedom from the tea parties agenda. They have called us to share our story but we have not got involved yet although many are aware that what we have been through has happened to many others too. I usually run down all the news links from some people behind the scenes that back this. I am all ears to hear your take on this. What gave you this feeling.
True I do not see everything as I stay pretty busy but am interested in this evaluation. I agree we sure are in a mess anyway we look at it. I am just so surprised it came this way and now Im looking at the connections of the pope and the Muslims.
Sure is scary or is it the mixed emotional excitement of the fact that that we are just on the Horizon of the coming of Jesus. I know the last will be rapid and some of us might not be ready. I know in the beginning that I did not feel that we were loosing freedom at the time of Bush because I felt it was for our own good in the protection from these "wild people". but soon discovered it was much deeper as the Bushes finally popped up with the New World Order and skull and bones and then I knew how bad it was. He had to be part of the push for the "One world Power" .
I do realize that nothing will stop the chain of events but...Egw states to fight for freedom as long as we can so that maybe others may come into the fold at the very last. That is the way I look at it. I am sure you know that the Bushes and Elizabeth are cousins. But right now as you can see that the "purple wave of grain" the heartland is looking to Sarah for to get back to the way it was. You can tell as the polls and votes as soon as she speaks with this new movement. I am not even sure she will run but she sure does have the influence at this time. and I see nothing wrong with her family other then the same situations that most families have but she is an overcomer and defender and above all she knows how to provide that will go far with the people under her care. I am for the US to be self reliant and use our own resourses and so is she.
I am sick of these green people that preserve the nature and animals above and beyond reality of humans. A farmer perserves these things much better then the Hollywood Stars and in ways that benefits both. I feel God left us things to use for our well being. The wood for building, food, and health. and yet they do not like the people to use the land for their self perservation and its in the works to stop all this and that is a fact. Who do they think they are? So their perservation is then burning up all over their taking of the land. Parks, cities, open land etc etc. fires they cannot stop once it gets going and winds that fire it. Nature needs care and trimming and that was our job. Not to --not touch it.
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Is it because Sarah or the Tea Parties realizes like we what is the antichrist of religions?? I don't like calling it religion as antichrist is good enough for them. and can you imagine what I saw this early am. Osama Bin L. calls himself "christian". :help:
Saw it on Washington Post C-span
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And man said 'let us make God in our image, after our likeness.' And from the wants and desires of their hearts they did form him, and they breathed the breath of life into him, and he became a living soul.
We see what doesn't appeal to us and in our hearts we say "God does not like this." We dream of great things and say to ourselves "This is what God has ordained." For whatever it may be, there will be scripture to back us up and give divine authority to our own wants, desires and tastes. On opposite ends of the American socio/political spectrum are Pat Robertson and Michael Moore. Both are devout Christians, and both provide compelling biblical evidence for their beliefs. Both do the things that they do in the name of God. Is one right and the other wrong? Kindly people worship a kindly god, harsh people worship a harsh god, tolerant people worship a tolerant god and intolerant people worship an intolerant god, people in need worship a benevolent god, and people on conquest worship a conquering god, and each does so with equal sincerity and authenticity.
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Will AntiChrist appear as a Republican or a Democrat?
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Now Johann, surely you know by now that AntiChrist will appear as one of the Bush women dressed in Michelle Obama's wardrobe. Between those two families we have seen signs and symbols... do I hear an amen... and between those two families apocalypse will come upon us, and plagues shall rain down upon the inhabitants of the earth. For it was written of old that with the black horse (Obama) would come famine, and the pale horse (Bush) would be followed by death and hell.
Although, that leaves the red horse who makes people kill each other, and the white horse who conquers...
Will AntiChrist appear as a Republican or a Democrat?
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Now Johann, surely you know by now that AntiChrist will appear as one of the Bush women dressed in Michelle Obama's wardrobe. Between those two families we have seen signs and symbols... do I hear an amen... and between those two families apocalypse will come upon us, and plagues shall rain down upon the inhabitants of the earth. For it was written of old that with the black horse (Obama) would come famine, and the pale horse (Bush) would be followed by death and hell.
Although, that leaves the red horse who makes people kill each other, and the white horse who conquers...
Will AntiChrist appear as a Republican or a Democrat?
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Will AntiChrist appear as a Republican or a Democrat?
Neither -it will come as an apostate religion and you guys know this. and you can't help notice who leads in it. I believe in one way of the truth of the Bible and not adapting the truth to our own views as you claim everyone does and everyone is OK doing it. Character is how you discern your environment. It really is OK to comment the abnormal attention getters when it is in front of your eyes. Wardrobes really do tell a lot about a person. Some conservative, some gaudy, some glitzy, some sexy, some clownish, some elegant, some are exhibitionist, some from the era they are stuck in, some hippy, some street bag ladies. Then there are those that dress common, clean, neat, and refined. so much that you never notice or remember what they wear because your attention is on their character and manner and feel very comfortable with them. Guess that is why woman also look at hairdos on other women. I often wonder what the messy spike look gives them all glued up. Oh, well just comments.
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@Murcielago - I agree, dissatisfaction with Preseident Obama, does not mean support for Bush or the Republican party. I also agree that many, many people are just tired of the status quo in Washington. However, even more are just plain impatient. We didnt' get into this mess over night, but many believed, even expected Pres. Obama to turn it around over night. Some did not, and are just waiting for him to "fail", even giving an assist by just being plain childish.
Somehow I knew this would be "Obama's mess" if he didn't pull some magic out of his sleeve and solve every problem in 90 days or less. I also knew that everything single thing he did would not be good enough. I could tell just by the random shots he endure during the campaign(i.e., He is a muslim, but there was a HUGE mess about him being a looooong time member and friend of Rev.Wright's BAPTIST church. Come on people, the two cannot peacefully coexist!!!!!) Those who have forgotten should just go back and listen to his Inaugural speech. He addressed just about everything that has happened since. But you know I could talk to I am blue in the face and it would not help, because his policies for most who oppose him is not the major reason, whether they want to admit it or not. I have no heaven or hell to put any of you in for the horrible treatment you are inflicting on another on of God's children, because of the color of his skin.
Christian you are right on the money!
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You have stated your whole problem along with others that believed in him...You listened to his beautiful speaches but the fact is you did not want to see his actions.
His actions is what brought him down. It has nothing to do with patience either as his actions in one moment and one sentence gave away his whole agenda "Spread the wealth" and he inacted everything in his path and whatever socialist he could find to surround him. and what is worse as you follow the picture-in order for him to gain the presidency he was entirely involved in the premeditation of the Acorn preparing way ahead in planning his way of making sure all the illigal votes got him in. Black was shinning in their eyes for first time president and believe it or not this seemed to be a must for those who are still in the mode of feeling lessor in race. That feeling of lessor is what has to be overcome to stop being a racist against whiltes and whites that still make that their feeling of supreme is all going to you know where. It has to stop. Most whites as you see believed him too and voted for him. He is in but I do feel illigally, by vote and by lying.
Now, did you hear Michelle O. give her take on being the first lady when asked about her stance on being first lady?? Well right on she states It is HEll and she hates it. Now that was quite a "lady" comment! but not surprising coming from her. That was their whole point in a nutshell. Be known for first black president. Never what was best for America. We are not socialist and the ones who voted especially you coming from a middle class did so for the same reason and the lower class voted for Obama socalist money that soon will take them down on money they can't pay for their health and taxes to the hilt to pay for it or be fined and go to jail and that goes for poor whites too. Do you realize when he says this is not going to happen that it is! it is in the Obama rules book and it is stated. I read it and so have the ones that are fighting against it. Problem is Di, you can't just make statements of your opinion-you got to go where the info is and then read it. Look at the actions and then don't self deny that hmmm, this is what he really did?? I probably might be in your shoes too but we somehow over many years got into the political mess when we never intended too. We also were deceived and no how that people will be oppressed in the end and you might as well get on the band wagon and observe yes, it is told and here we are right in the middle of timing just before Jesus comes. Obama has had plenty of time to stand for the people and he is not of that "stature" but no more then the Trojan Horse against the American way of life. He will give way the same as Bush and his father and I really liked Bush and especially Laura but the unseen things finally came out didn't they. LIke all things evil.. and racism in one that you can tell instantly by just reading on these posts. Hmmm, I bet you took the new baloney flu shot before reading what was in it. :ROFL: Not me or my family!
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Still, the country isn't buying that the USA needs to tax and spend it's way into prosperity, as Obama proposes.
What country has ever taxed itself into achieving prosperity?
Why can't the president propose other means of gathering revenue? Such as allowing energy companies to explore for energy sources and then charging them?
Why not build more nuclear energy facilities that would provide us a clean, safe, cheap and lasting energy source?
How about requiring welfare recipients to pass a drug screen before they can receive assistance?
Why sue the State of Arizona for attempting to enforce federal immigration policy?
All of these are ways extra revenue can be made without increasing anyone's taxes...
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Actually, problem is that we see the same things, Tinka, an interpret those words and actions differently, depending on our life experiences, education, and bascially how we feel about how what was said and done.
You keep on trying to make me a "follower" because I don't come up with the same conclusions that you do. You started out doing that, and once again I ask you to cease. I have never, ever, claimed that you don't intelligently process any information for our consideration and discussion. EVEN When all you do is cut and paste someone else's ariticle to prove your point. Do you realize that? But continuously, you have to paint me as less than intelligent when I don't agree with your conclusions. CUT IT OUT!!! It is disrespectful to another adult who has done nothing but show respect for you. Because I come to a different conclusion doesn't mean I have read, seen, or even given thought to the words and/or actions being considered. It just means that I see them differently than you do. Depending on the situation, there will be a wrong and a right way, each believing their what to be the latter.
You have stated your whole problem along with others that believed in him...You listened to his beautiful speaches but the fact is you did not want to see his actions.
His actions is what brought him down. It has nothing to do with patience either as his actions in one moment and one sentence gave away his whole agenda "Spread the wealth" and he inacted everything in his path and whatever socialist he could find to surround him. and what is worse as you follow the picture-in order for him to gain the presidency he was entirely involved in the premeditation of the Acorn preparing way ahead in planning his way of making sure all the illigal votes got him in. Black was shinning in their eyes for first time president and believe it or not this seemed to be a must for those who are still in the mode of feeling lessor in race. That feeling of lessor is what has to be overcome to stop being a racist against whiltes and whites that still make that their feeling of supreme is all going to you know where. It has to stop. Most whites as you see believed him too and voted for him. He is in but I do feel illigally, by vote and by lying.
Now, did you hear Michelle O. give her take on being the first lady when asked about her stance on being first lady?? Well right on she states It is HEll and she hates it. Now that was quite a "lady" comment! but not surprising coming from her. That was their whole point in a nutshell. Be known for first black president. Never what was best for America. We are not socialist and the ones who voted especially you coming from a middle class did so for the same reason and the lower class voted for Obama socalist money that soon will take them down on money they can't pay for their health and taxes to the hilt to pay for it or be fined and go to jail and that goes for poor whites too. Do you realize when he says this is not going to happen that it is! it is in the Obama rules book and it is stated. I read it and so have the ones that are fighting against it. Problem is Di, you can't just make statements of your opinion-you got to go where the info is and then read it. Look at the actions and then don't self deny that hmmm, this is what he really did?? I probably might be in your shoes too but we somehow over many years got into the political mess when we never intended too. We also were deceived and no how that people will be oppressed in the end and you might as well get on the band wagon and observe yes, it is told and here we are right in the middle of timing just before Jesus comes. Obama has had plenty of time to stand for the people and he is not of that "stature" but no more then the Trojan Horse against the American way of life. He will give way the same as Bush and his father and I really liked Bush and especially Laura but the unseen things finally came out didn't they. LIke all things evil.. and racism in one that you can tell instantly by just reading on these posts. Hmmm, I bet you took the new baloney flu shot before reading what was in it. :ROFL: Not me or my family!
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Di,
We both read english don't we. How does documents differ in english in meaning when two english people read the same thing?? Hmmm, thats interesting! What did you get out of Michelles great comment? I took it in plain english, what was your version?
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Virtually everything one sees, hears, reads, experiences, touches, or otherwise senses will be interpreted in the context of their life experience and how they have been taught to view things.
A dog wagging its tail... :dogwag: 1 - its watching for a ball to be thrown. 2 - its waiting for the cat to come out from behind the couch so it can attack. 3 - it just got praised. 4 - it knows its about to bite a chunk out of your behind...
No matter how plain and clear something is to you, it can be just as plain and clear to the person who sees it very differently than you do. Tinka's viewpoint is biased, as is that of Princess Di, horsethief, myself, and everyone else. There is no such thing as a pure and unbiased view.
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Virtually everything one sees, hears, reads, experiences, touches, or otherwise senses will be interpreted in the context of their life experience and how they have been taught to view things.
A dog wagging its tail... :dogwag: 1 - its watching for a ball to be thrown. 2 - its waiting for the cat to come out from behind the couch so it can attack. 3 - it just got praised. 4 - it knows its about to bite a chunk out of your behind...
No matter how plain and clear something is to you, it can be just as plain and clear to the person who sees it very differently than you do. Tinka's viewpoint is biased, as is that of Princess Di, horsethief, myself, and everyone else. There is no such thing as a pure and unbiased view.
:amen:
Take any critical incident and add a dozen witnesses. Get statements from EACH witness. There will be a dozen variations in those statements. ALL are telling the truth. Each UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL sees some points from a different perspective. :purr: :hamster:
But... they are all telling the truth... as they see it.
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Virtually everything one sees, hears, reads, experiences, touches, or otherwise senses will be interpreted in the context of their life experience and how they have been taught to view things.
A dog wagging its tail... :dogwag: 1 - its watching for a ball to be thrown. 2 - its waiting for the cat to come out from behind the couch so it can attack. 3 - it just got praised. 4 - it knows its about to bite a chunk out of your behind...
No matter how plain and clear something is to you, it can be just as plain and clear to the person who sees it very differently than you do. Tinka's viewpoint is biased, as is that of Princess Di, horsethief, myself, and everyone else. There is no such thing as a pure and unbiased view.
:amen:
Take any critical incident and add a dozen witnesses. Get statements from EACH witness. There will be a dozen variations in those statements. ALL are telling the truth. Each UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL sees some points from a different perspective. :purr: :hamster:
But... they are all telling the truth... as they see it.
So true and some individual embellish certain thing and take them out of there true perspective because of life experiences or inherent biases. Some people speak from a point of more experience than others and so the weight of there answers or opinions have to be taken with more weight. But ultimately someone will be right (in most cases) and someone will be wrong even if one holds to there strong beliefs. The ultimate goal is to come to truth, an understanding, a central point as to what the facts really are. The hardest thing to do is to get someone to understand their opinions are not based on a clear evaluation of the facts. Trying to get them to look at both sides of the coin is almost near impossible because of there obvious biases and prejudices. I have come to the conclusion that only God can open the eyes of some, and for others it will simply never happen. I believe Tinka is such a person unable to see even (as we all do sometimes) our own prejudices that lead to our conclusions. Her obvious anger and hatred of the Obama's steams from more than just the fact He is the President and she is the first lady.
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Murcielago,
True and your point well taken with the pictures only view of the dog waggling it's tail. I am not speaking viewing pictures but a simple english statement from Michelle O. Basically you missed the dog waiting for the cat to come out of the tree.
"It is Hell and I hate it". How many versions can one make of this? I take this to be uncouth, unlady like and unmotherly and low intelligence in the manner of speach and self disappointment after the big blast of self importance. Disgust, no respect for the office, and who cares how she feels I sure don't, she did it. a really stupid comment of carelessness, stupidity and careless on who hears me and the whole rest of her baloney. She really needs to work on her husband and his bad habits instead of trying to fix everyone elses personal life. She chose that line of public assistance because of her own needs.
and Sebastian your head is still in the mud hole is why your so dense. For your info too. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PvYGG22N7o
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Let's get one thing clear about my anger. My anger is there :hot: and heavy because of is what is being done to the poor already poor enough..the taking of small business, the taking of their property what they already paid into. to where they cannot get jobs from the brand new tax system to come the forced healthcare that will be paid through your ownraised taxes to where we can't live. Ghost towns, ghost factories, and just plain bad ghosts like people of your mentality of what is really going on in the big picture. Government dependant yep that is what you voted for and have come on here and readily admitted. So what else is good in your mud hole?
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THEODORE ROOSEVELT
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,but morally treasonable to the American public."
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A resounding Amen to Roosevelt. And then came Wilson with his attempts to place government controls on what the media was allowed to say, and to quash criticizm of the president as a form of treason.
It seems that Tinka has issues with the Obamas that, in her view, relate to policy, as personal principles may reflect the foundations behind the broader policies. Tinka, simply to establish an understanding, would it be fair to say that you don't believe there is any possible merit to views you haven't embraced, and that discussion is not a means of mutual enlightenment? That could be an entirely unfair assesment, but I am interested in hearing your self-assement, in the context of how others see your position.
Christian, I am particularly interested in your views. On the surface, one would be reasonably led to assume that you give blanket approval to Obama, hold that he is sent by God, and consider opposition to him as being purely race-based and un-Christian. These observations are based on your posted responses to the various posts opposing Obama. I think most would view your position as being almost identical to that of Tinka, in that one would think you don't allow that there could be any merit to other views and opinions. However, this could be a total misconception and I am interested in hearing your views on that.
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A resounding Amen to Roosevelt. And then came Wilson with his attempts to place government controls on what the media was allowed to say, and to quash criticism of the president as a form of treason.
It seems that Tinka has issues with the Obamas that, in her view, relate to policy (yes very much so because it impacts devastation to people that I have compassion for), as personal principles may reflect the foundations behind the broader policies. ( yes again according to Bible and SP and Personal principles also came from experience in the worst possible form. I have it all on a web site or political reasons as truth of actions from political corruption) Tinka, simply to establish an understanding, would it be fair to say that you don't believe there is any possible merit to views you haven't embraced, ( There is much I have to learn and much I do not know but,I do not speak on something unless I have the experience or the documents to prove) and that discussion is not a means of mutual enlightenment? (Discussion contributes only mutualy when two people have the same facts and then to whether a person knows what they are talking about or not and that leaves either one on different views as it is very obvious that one either has opinion of what they have not picked up with fact or just heresay of ones own leader or guru and the other has fact. But when they refuse to give fact then what else shows but arrogance Do you think that Bob and Gailon of whom not many like- got on here with the facts and what happened to them too from the sympathizers??). That could be an entirely unfair assesment, but I am interested in hearing your self-assement, in the context of how others see your position. (I watch very closely how others see my position and some jump to conclusion and have opinions of clear different then what I said. I realize many do not like straight out to the point talk but there is a little trick to that. It brings out an inner character that is quick to know and where they might be coming from. My interest is in the Character of so called Adventist and believe me I am getting a good lesson. It confirms much to me and to trust no man. Some on here I believe are very humble and truthful, peaceful, and also to the point and I have no problem what so ever in understanding them and their honest positions and where they are not talking in circles and contradicting and slang verbage. Of course when they do that it turns to fun then with me. I laugh a lot doing it. I do not deal well with the devils advocate and am outspoken against only what takes on adversity to the God that gave all. I hate the actions of calling theirselves Christians and hiding behind adverse evil denied happenings. If you have watched when someone posts either history of true fact and if I did not know it I admit it. and my mind is always at anytime open to something proved and it is so obvious when someone is stating honesly. I am sure some even think worse then this of me but yes, I hang to superior guidlines. except to direct some statements into thought (smile)
Christian, I am particularly interested in your views. On the surface, one would be reasonably led to assume that you give blanket approval to Obama, hold that he is sent by God, and consider opposition to him as being purely race-based and un-Christian. These observations are based on your posted responses to the various posts opposing Obama. I think most would view your position as being almost identical to that of Tinka, in that one would think you don't allow that there could be any merit to other views and opinions. However, this could be a total misconception and I am interested in hearing your views on that.
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I've found that the persons that label others as 'racists' and 'haters' are usually the ones who are the most deserving of the label itself.
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Tinka, whether one agrees with you or not, you certainly do provide a very accurate view on what early Adentism was. You are also a powerful living example of the mind set of early missionaries from the London Missionary Society, Yale, the Heugenots and the Dutch Reform Church.
Although we are often in disagreement, I continue to learn from you.
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Murcielago,
Thank you and I hope I do not cause many disagreements you have with me. I appreciate your History and much info you put out.
I always keep in mind if I am disappointing Jesus with my flaws as he suffered much for me and I do picture Him as the cleanest, purest, natural, flawless in looks and movements with no earthly attributes that we have or find to make ourselves something we are not --compared to Him. Elegance in Glory and beauty comes with His Purity. I might add this is a poor try in words to explain what I am aware of. Much suffering in my life and heart for others that suffer too may have given me a little glimpse but won't know for sure until that day. I know I woke breathless with thoughts that never leave me. So even as flawed as we all are I see beauty in others that know Him this way. and as we worship on Sabbath I cannot think of "I" songs or "I" wants or "my talents" in "My preferences of style" "wrong movements" and decked out junk unless you have the only clothes on you own. It is soley coming in humbleness, thankfulness and praising him in heart to heart repentance of all disappointments to him I cause. and I know that all people were born with His approval "patterns of trial" and His breath of life and so why would I ever be a racist? and live in the Heavenly Home.
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I've found that the persons that label others as 'racists' and 'haters' are usually the ones who are the most deserving of the label itself.
I'm sorry that has been your experience :horse:thief. You may well be right about 'haters', but it has been far from my experience, about 'racism'. Sadly, we still see it in the SDA Church; probably nearly as much as anywhere else. :'(
Maybe, those people don't recognise it for what it is? :dunno:
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What racism do you mean, Whites that feel more supreme with hate and form organizations because the Blacks that still hate and have revenge and form their own racial organizations to be different? Why should there be a difference in this day and time? I know yes, Di you bring up the past actions and yes some inadequacies pop up here and there but there is also law now and it don't fly anymore. Yes, that is still fought against by those who do not want it and do everything they can to be educated into unity for the sake of a Father who loves all His children and it has had a hard way to go to change and it must start with the individuals problem. and the ones that still have it are far from giving love back to the Creator in acceptance for His Love by getting on with no racism --but all Americans and all countrymen under one banner. I guess more then anything that will be one great thing in heaven when for sure racism will be no more. all will be made and think new "like Jesus". Satan sure had a field day with this and now the "racism of religion" where the beast is about to devour a people that are under the true God's banner. How long can America stand this one? and that Crissie is the broad picture.
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A resounding Amen to Roosevelt. And then came Wilson with his attempts to place government controls on what the media was allowed to say, and to quash criticizm of the president as a form of treason.
It seems that Tinka has issues with the Obamas that, in her view, relate to policy, as personal principles may reflect the foundations behind the broader policies. Tinka, simply to establish an understanding, would it be fair to say that you don't believe there is any possible merit to views you haven't embraced, and that discussion is not a means of mutual enlightenment? That could be an entirely unfair assesment, but I am interested in hearing your self-assement, in the context of how others see your position.
Christian, I am particularly interested in your views. On the surface, one would be reasonably led to assume that you give blanket approval to Obama, hold that he is sent by God, and consider opposition to him as being purely race-based and un-Christian. These observations are based on your posted responses to the various posts opposing Obama. I think most would view your position as being almost identical to that of Tinka, in that one would think you don't allow that there could be any merit to other views and opinions. However, this could be a total misconception and I am interested in hearing your views on that.
I choose to disagree with you on your statement that one would assume (and you know what assume means, ass u me) that I give a blanket approval to Obama. My contention is, and has been from the very beginning, that there are individuals who have plotted to destroy the mans Presidency from the onset. And my position on Obama is in fact the same position I had on Bush, give them time. Now I must admit that I understand the need for Health-Care for all people of the United States regardless of economical status, and the need for it to be such that an individual does not need to lose all he has to obtain it. My evaluation of Obama is mostly from a World view. I have been to a number of countries, Kenya, Japan, France, Philippeans, Korea, Israel,Greece, Egypt etc. And to a large degree I see from some here the same kind of no care attitude especially as it concerns the poor that I have witness in there countries. Some portions of share the wealth are indeed needed and that is undeniable. But the rich and the greedy would have you think that there is some inherent evil in providing basic goods for all American, moreover for all humanity. AGAIN I HAVE NEVER ADVOCATED A BLANK CHECK FOR OBAMA BUT I AM NOT BLIND TO THE APPARENT DESIRED DESTRUCTION OF HIS PRSIDENCY BY SOME. I still remember Rush Limbaugh before the man was sworn into office saying he hopes he fails and will work to that end. My contention is that the current situation is a direct result of the last 12 years of George Bush Sr and Junior. As I have said before I remember when the tea party was hijacked by the Conservative Republicans two weeks after the man got in office. And let me tell you that I am a close follower of Politics and this is the first time in memorable history that I have ever seen people so very upset with the First lady. Even in the worst of time usually most will not ventrue hatred upon the Presidents wife. And some of the things being written about the way she looks and etc... are down right flat out prejudice.
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Murcielago, chrissie, and Christian, you are right on the money. In fact, there is a movie that came out about the exact same thing. Several people vewing the same incident, and coming to different conclusiona nd impressions about that one incident....depending on tgheir point of view......Not sure of the name of the movie.....Hehehehe!
Tinka, I am not sure which statement by Michelle Obama's to which you are referring. If it is the one about "being proud of United States"(paraphrasing here). Then being also AFrican American in heritage, I would take it to mean that the US had made a major step toward resolving our racial issues by nominating a African American Preside. Something I didn't believe most of the country was ready for, and I was basically right....some still are not ready. However, since none of us are in any position to ask the First Lady, what exactly she meant, then her statement is open to inpertretation.....depending on ones point of view.
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Well Di, there you go again, I spelled out exactly what she said on c-span when asked questions and you did not even read it but gave your off the wall version again not even knowing what was stated. :dunno:
better yet I think you know and just don't want to face up to it and play this game of :dunno:. so you can go on with your justificatons.
BTW you teach SS and still into the movies too?? HeHeHe.
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What racism do you mean, Whites that feel more supreme with hate and form organizations because the Blacks that still hate and have revenge and form their own racial organizations to be different? Why should there be a difference in this day and time? I know yes, Di you bring up the past actions and yes some inadequacies pop up here and there but there is also law now and it don't fly anymore. Yes, that is still fought against by those who do not want it and do everything they can to be educated into unity for the sake of a Father who loves all His children and it has had a hard way to go to change and it must start with the individuals problem. and the ones that still have it are far from giving love back to the Creator in acceptance for His Love by getting on with no racism --but all Americans and all countrymen under one banner. I guess more then anything that will be one great thing in heaven when for sure racism will be no more. all will be made and think new "like Jesus". Satan sure had a field day with this and now the "racism of religion" where the beast is about to devour a people that are under the true God's banner. How long can America stand this one? and that Crissie is the broad picture.
Tinka and I agree on this one. I see no reason for the separation of Conferences and the like. Iprepose that the Ohio confrence and other white conferences disband immediatly and join alleganey west and etc...
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I didn't see the movie, Tinka, but yes, I still do watch movies. My taste in movies is a lot more conservative than you would think.
No tinka, I didnt' read it, because whatever she said, I know she didn't mean it in the way you interpret it. You are busy trying to paint her as un-American, and Him as not American at all. I know I disagree with that, and I know your interpretation of whatever they say will be based in that false set of beliefs. It is all very tiresome, really. So no, I put no effort in reading it. Just not in the mood today. I don't have a whole lot of patience, even though I love a good debate. the opposing side has to at least present something that will make me think, not tire my mind and make me weary.
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Just let me correct one thing here. It is NOT black people's idea to start or even continue regional conferences. They were Gc's response to the growing concern of their white members that they would have to worship and God forbid be lead by blacks. They were actually started after the death of Lucy Baird, a black woman who went to one of the white SDAs hospitals and they refused to treat her. Instead, sending her.....in a taxi cab.......with a severely advanced case of pneumonia. Needless to say, she died upon arrival across town to the black hospital. They had actually started working on her as the Baird's were very fair in skins color, IOW, they could of passed[for white] if they so desired. After the clerk reviewed their admittance forms for accuracy and saw that they were black, he brought it to the attention of the Dr., who then stopped working on her.
The reason that they are in existence now, is that the very samy conditions exist within the Advnetist church that madethem nevessary in the beginning. If they were to blend the conferences at this point, they would simply dissolve the regional conferences and allow the black conferences to absorb the churches and only all the employees at the regional conferences would be jobless, instead of trying to see who was most qualified for each position, etc. So, I guess you can say that blacks also want to keep the regional conferences at this point, but with good reason. I really don't believe they have anything to worry about. GC has no present plans to disban regional conferences.
Yes, Tinka, racism is alive and kicking inthe Adventist church, my parents were directly affected whent hey mistakenly attended a local church when we were at our timeshare. Heck, it is still alive and kicking here with SDA members at AT.What racism do you mean, Whites that feel more supreme with hate and form organizations because the Blacks that still hate and have revenge and form their own racial organizations to be different? Why should there be a difference in this day and time? I know yes, Di you bring up the past actions and yes some inadequacies pop up here and there but there is also law now and it don't fly anymore. Yes, that is still fought against by those who do not want it and do everything they can to be educated into unity for the sake of a Father who loves all His children and it has had a hard way to go to change and it must start with the individuals problem. and the ones that still have it are far from giving love back to the Creator in acceptance for His Love by getting on with no racism --but all Americans and all countrymen under one banner. I guess more then anything that will be one great thing in heaven when for sure racism will be no more. all will be made and think new "like Jesus". Satan sure had a field day with this and now the "racism of religion" where the beast is about to devour a people that are under the true God's banner. How long can America stand this one? and that Crissie is the broad picture.
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I guess the only place racism will be truly gone is in heaven and that is sad. The only thing we can do is love one another, one on one and change one heart at a time. I don't want this sin to be found on my book when I reach the gates of heaven.
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In sooo many words, this is my point too and what I have been trying say over and over. It the only way we can be excepted.
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In sooo many words, this is my point too and what I have been trying say over and over. It the only way we can be excepted.
You speak with folk tongue, out of two sides of your mouth. But outside you, the fact remains that the Adventist Church has a very big problem with prejudice. I have seen it manifest itself in so many ways and yet there are those who still try and act like it is not a HUGE PROBLEM, in our denomination.
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Racism is very real across the board, and has equal footing in every race. White, black, hispanic, asian, arab, persian, indian... there is absolutely no innocent party there. It is unfortunately one of those genetic things built into humanity.
I live in an area where I see it every day. It is a literal death sentence for black or hispanic to cross territories. They hate each other with a mortal hatred. Asian groups kill asians who come from other parts of asia.
What about the other isms? Politicism where people hate, with mortal hatred, anyone who adheres to another political view... Christian? Tinka? And religionism where people hate each other to the point of murder for having divergent religious views. No, there is no group with clean hands that can beat its chest and cry "victim" without needing to look in the mirror and see the exact same thing written all over themselves.
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Hmmm, No need for anyone to then cry and fight with wars for freedom and justice for all! :usa:
What did God do in Heaven with prejudice and sin? And what did God have His people do against their enemies? Why did he provide a New Land for Religious freedom against the church of oppression? What do we do against religions of oppressions that are fast invading while we still have a moment left? What do we do with the invaders of deceit, trickery and mind set of greed to take what others work for. They have one mind set and their intentions are obvious. USA people are now scrambling form the snow job. If not, the constitution will be gone just as EGW stated it would be.
Shall we not fight for freedom as long as we have it without the accusation of wrong terminology? or shall we stand oppressed after our true God be taken out of our nation and replaced with theirs? These "isms" are all embedded in the uncouth, the takers, justifying against the rules, unruly, obsessed, and possessed.
People upholding truth and God given gifts are not "isms" they are named a "remnant". Have you been watching the connections of the "isms" of the prophesied oppressors becoming under one number? Satan using the "wild" to do the inflictions with promises of disgusting awards?
I also realize SDA stance on conscientious objectors, ...If one can be in the health field fine but also if you choose for one to go fight in your place because of your own skin or objection while another dies for you in another while we all enjoy the assets then the right thing is to stand up in the name of love and compassion for another and the one gift of God "freedom for all". Our fallen have all died in vain? There is a big difference here in what is called the "isms".
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Actually, prejudice can be across the board, but racism cannot. Racism requires that one group is dominant and have the power to opressing the other. Meaning since bascially, until two years ago the administration/government of the United States was predominantly white. Therefore they could effect racism on others, and not necessarily just minorities, as they have been a minority themselves for quite a while, they were just still in power.
Now, don't get it twisted, just because we have an African American President, the rest is still predominantly white.
Kind of like the chuch(es). We know that women are the majority in every denom, yet it is still the men, the minority who basically administrate, pastor, etc. This also holds true for ethnic groups, whites(the minority), still "rule", basically.
Racism is very real across the board, and has equal footing in every race. White, black, hispanic, asian, arab, persian, indian... there is absolutely no innocent party there. It is unfortunately one of those genetic things built into humanity.
I live in an area where I see it every day. It is a literal death sentence for black or hispanic to cross territories. They hate each other with a mortal hatred. Asian groups kill asians who come from other parts of asia.
What about the other isms? Politicism where people hate, with mortal hatred, anyone who adheres to another political view... Christian? Tinka? And religionism where people hate each other to the point of murder for having divergent religious views. No, there is no group with clean hands that can beat its chest and cry "victim" without needing to look in the mirror and see the exact same thing written all over themselves.
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Definition of racism from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism))
Racism is the belief that the genetic factors which constitute race are a primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.[1] Racism's effects are called "racial discrimination." In the case of institutional racism, certain racial groups may be denied rights or benefits, or receive preferential treatment.
Racial discrimination typically points out taxonomic differences between different groups of people, although anyone may be discriminated against on an ethnic or cultural basis, independently of their somatic differences. According to the United Nations conventions, there is no distinction between the term racial discrimination and ethnicity discrimination.
There is some evidence that the meaning of the term has changed over time, and that earlier definitions of racism involved the simple belief that human populations are divided into separate races.[2] Many biologists, anthropologists, and sociologists reject this taxonomy in favor of more specific and/or empirically verifiable criteria, such as geography, ethnicity, or a history of endogamy.[3]
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Thanks for that! Alwyas willing to learn! ;D
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I personally believe that the roots of racism are built into the human genome. In earlier ages humans had spread out to different parts of the world where they evolved to fit their environments, and developed new languages and customs. Over time, various groups began migrating, due largely to natural events and changes that made living conditions untenable. As they moved, they encountered strange people with different features living in the lands they needed, and had to conquer them. The people living in these lands saw strange people with odd features, speaking weird languages, encroaching on their land and had to defend it. Self preservation evolved the need to fear and conquer people who were different, and over thousands of years it became a fundamental part of human nature.
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Christian...
You seem real fierce in your loyalty to President Obama. But let's face facts here. He's not doing so well right now. If he was, then the poll watchers wouldn't be predicting that the dems are about to lose the house and maybe even the senate. You have stated that he's doing a great job & you're entitled to believe and state that.
But the rest of the country ain't buyin' it...
"The rest of the Country..." has no idea what is just ahead...and it will not matter whether one Loves or Hates this candidate or another...THEY ALL FACE THE SAME FATE for the sins of their fathers...Don't they deserve to be warned???
Perhaps we should be spending our time giving the WARNING that has been entrusted to us.
Or, are we so compromised with the stench of a corrupt world we do not know the warning ourselves? Just where is your loyalty, with this candidate and his wife or that candidate and his wife, or is it with Jesus Christ of Nazerath and the warning message he has made clear to us. Those candidates do not have answers, regardless of background, party affiliation or religious belief. This much we do know, at some point the three frogs form an unholy alliance with the Vicar of Rome and you will either pledge allegiance and face eternal destruction or you will oppose it in Faith and will stand vigilantly for the TRUTH, proclaiming it in the LOUD CRY, the very last warning message for this pathetic and filthy planet.
The only real question is...what side of that warning will we all be on???
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Gailon, just from your posts, you sound like you think you are some kind of Vicar...
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Gailon, just from your posts, you sound like you think you are some kind of Vicar...
Vicar: a person who acts in place of another; substitute.
a person who is authorized to perform the functions of another;
And in your opinion, just who am I acting in the place of or substitution for?
And who do you purport that I am authorized by?
And, finally, since we are all, in one form or another, VICARS for one entity
or another, just who are you substituting for? What is the vicarious origin
of your comments?
We are clearly headed for an "engaging" conversation and lets make the most
of the opportunity.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Gailon.. You just came off real strong about the "LOud Cry". Well, I'm not unaware of any of that. Yes, I know it's easy to get embroiled in political discussion and lose sight of what the real big picture is, but that doesn't necessarily make anyone lost... Maybe that's how I saw you as coming across as vicarious.
Revelation Chapter 1: verses 5 & 6 says (paraphrased) "Unto him who loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood. And has made us kings and priests unto God and his Father."
If Jesus has made me a priest in His kingdom, then WOW! I'm honored. That means I guess I'm in a vicar role for my family... That's cool with me.
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And may we all be Vicars of Christ and be proud to raise high His standard knowing it is the answer to the worlds impossible dillema.
I pray we all be true vicars in everything we do. And may God give us the courage to fulfill our God Given purpose on earth.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Now Bush has accomplished a book. According to the Associated Press Bush states:
"I didn't like it when people criticized me," Bush said. "And so you're not going to see me out there chirping away (at Obama). And I want our president to succeed. I love our country."
There is often a misperception that if a person is strongly opposed to Obama they must support Bush. That assumption would be patently false. I believe that Obama is one of the worst things that has happened to this country, second only to Bush. The Patriot Act took many of the freedoms that make America great, and put them into the hands of a few government officials. In the name of freedom, Bush took away our freedom. On another categorical level, Obama has taken our financial and personal decision making freedoms from us in the name of financial freedom, and placed them in the hands of government beaurocrats. Tea Party...? A group that would love to take away our religious freedom. In short, the Democrats want to take our money and personal/family decision making away, the Republicans want to take our civil freedoms away, and the Tea Partiers want to take our religious freedoms away. They are an unclean lot who look on the populace as nothing more than sheep to be sheared. And that, Tinka, Christian, Princess and Adam is the present status of the cycles that have afflicted peoples and nations for the duration of recorded history.
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I notice he takes no responsibility for a ballooned budget deficit and society gone awry unregulated, deregulated and left to self destruction. He and Bill Clinton will share the responsibility for setting up the platform for final events...may the Lord's Will be done!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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uuuh, GJ, you forgot a couple of names in there. I agree that it took many years to get us where we are now.
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What we have once again discovered is just how far Human Nature will take us when we have all abandoned the rule of law and constrain ourselves by good common sense and hundreds of years of accepted rules and regulation designed to keep good order in a banking community.
My wife and I were watching an oversight committee hearing not long ago and she commented, "I remember you use to say Greenspan had gone mad and we would pay an awful price. Did you think it would ever get this bad?" To which I had to admit, I never thought we would prove to be this bloody foolish. But we were and then some. We abandoned every rule of banking and kept creating products with fewer and fewer rules such as "exotic ARMs'" so toxic they allowed housing inflation that would leave most of the housing market trapped in a negative equity position for decades to come...assuming we have decades to ply our greedy wares. And assuming we do not see a complete collapse of the housing and banking industry, a harsh probable reality as we continue to prop up an industry drunk with the fornication of it's own greed.
The banking industry is more than 120 Billion dollars UNDERCAPITALIZED...and that does not include continued losses that will accelerate as real property assets and other collateral continues to spiral down in value...that is called deflation and we continue to ignore its impact on the here, the now and the future. Expect to see millions more abandon this very poor investment in favor of alternative and less expensive options...yes, MILLIONS more.
Then look at Wall Street...the largest casino in the world. And EXPERTS continue to INVEST in stocks with little real value beyond "PAPER" value. Yet another scheme to part the fool from his money.
The only person I know that did not loose any money is a man who invested his money the past 60 years in "CD's" with a govewrnment guarantee called the FDIC. His modest investment philosophy has left him comfortable and anle to sleep well every single night of his 84 years. I salute his conservatism and envy his results.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter