Advent Talk
General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: Murcielago on February 18, 2011, 10:49:41 AM
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What does religious liberty mean? How is it defined? Does it mean freedom to worship and believe as your own conscience dictates? Does it mean freedom from being forced to abide by the dogma of another religion? Is it a term that applies only to government, or does it also apply to community and family? Does law based on religious dogma constitute religious oppression?
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What does religious liberty mean? How is it defined? Does it mean freedom to worship and believe as your own conscience dictates? Does it mean freedom from being forced to abide by the dogma of another religion? Is it a term that applies only to government, or does it also apply to community and family? Does law based on religious dogma constitute religious oppression?
I would answer your questions with "yes"! Not certain all would agree - and that is your privilege too, as long as you don't force it on others.
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It is the absolute Right of Conscience to beleive and practice your beliefs without interference, obstruction, oppression, fear of reprisal and without being subjected to forced re-education.
Now, here is the complex question...is there such a thing as Freedom FROM Religion and if so, what is it?
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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A few decades back signals from the Vatican indicated they feared most those churches who granted each individual the freedom of choice if they wanted to be saved or lost.
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A few decades back signals from the Vatican indicated they feared most those churches who granted each individual the freedom of choice if they wanted to be saved or lost.
I believe that today the greatest threat to Catholicism is not protestantism, evangelics, secular humanism, agnosticism or atheism, but rather radical islamists.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I believe that today the greatest threat to Catholicism is not protestantism, evangelics, secular humanism, agnosticism or atheism, but rather radical islamists.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I former pope had no fear of Islam - because they had so much in common!
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I believe that today the greatest threat to Catholicism is not protestantism, evangelics, secular humanism, agnosticism or atheism, but rather radical islamists.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I former pope had no fear of Islam - because they had so much in common!
Islam is now the largest group, the most aggressively evangelical and the most propogative...they clearly have a lead on the Papacy!!! And they are the most militant!!!
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Islam is now the largest group, the most aggressively evangelical and the most propogative...they clearly have a lead on the Papacy!!! And they are the most militant!!!
Could they be preparing the way for globalization of religion? That pope pointed out certain similarities in the structure of Islam and the Roman Catholic Church facilitating some kind of a merger. I wonder if worshiping the beast will not boil down to a radical devotion to some kind of a structure rather than basing it on faith?
It would not surprise me if Islam could finally join hands with Anti-Christ by building a "bridge" from Mecca towards the citadel of Western religion.
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Yes, this is what very much appears now to be. It came in through the back door like a Trojan Horse with their main man amongst us and the Pope standing by. The devil outsmarted many. Beware you are not decieved we are told. I read many will be deceived.
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It is very easy for pagans and others to become Muslim. When I lived in Nigeria I saw in the local newspaper how a Muslim leader had gathered a huge crowd, preaching to them. Then he got everybody to repeat the slogan, - something like this: Allah is the only god and Mohammad is his prophet. There was a picture in the paper with the news story that now they had added them all - by the thousands - to the Muslim religion.
Then they try to sell a ticket to Mecca to those who can afford it. I met an illiterate man brandishing his passport with stamps to prove that he had been to Mecca. That is a stamp of prestige with which he could claim a "holier than Thou" status in his village of mud huts.
Does anything seem familiar? Do we use any of our peculiar views to prove that we are more sanctified than others?
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If Adventists were in charge of a country would they allow freedom of religion and/or freedom from religion? Would they impose Saturday laws on the population?
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If Adventists were in charge of a country would they allow freedom of religion and/or freedom from religion? Would they impose Saturday laws on the population?
Officially the two churches, Baptists and Seventh-day Adventists are the greatest advocates of religious freedom. Both of these churches should, therefore, not force their own beliefs, or lack thereof, on anyone else.
The former pope disagreed with these churches because they give the individual too much freedom which he felt was the greatest difficulty in organizing a global religion.
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A few decades back signals from the Vatican indicated they feared most those churches who granted each individual the freedom of choice if they wanted to be saved or lost.
I believe that today the greatest threat to Catholicism is not protestantism, evangelics, secular humanism, agnosticism or atheism, but rather radical islamists.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
At the same time, radical Islam is making many Protestants think that Islam is the antichrist instead of papal Rome, and that is allowing Rome to work better achieve its goals.
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Bob, (smile) like I said they are coming in through the back door.
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JOhann said:
Officially the two churches, Baptists and Seventh-day Adventists are the greatest advocates of religious freedom. Both of these churches should, therefore, not force their own beliefs, or lack thereof, on anyone else.
In the united States, there are many, many many Baptist denominations and churches that are not aligned with one of the Baptist denominations.
The Southern Baptist Convention (a denomination) has in the past been a firm advocate for religioius freedom. However, under present leadership and culture in the U.S. the Southern Baptists appear to man informed people to be putting the brakes on their advocacy of religlious freedom.
For those who follow denominations it might be interesting to look at the Cooperative Baptist denomination and seehow it compares with and differs with the current denomilnational culture fof some of the older Baptist denominations.
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A Muslim girl attending a cooking school in Denmark was asked to taste a dish in connection with a test. I understand she was supposed to indicate how the taste could be improved.
When the girl discovered there was pork in that dish she refused to taste it. She was told she did not have to eat it, just taste it, and yet she declined. As a result he girl left the school.
Now this school has been sentenced to pay the girl about $12,000 for discrimination.
WOuld that happen in the USA?
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It might.........but you know I would assume that in attending a school of culinary arts, one might be expected to cook and taste(because you have to taste all dishes you prepare) every dish prepared. I would think it was a baisc requirement......
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When one places themselves in a position in which they are certain that they will face a matter that is of religious taboo to them, they have crossed from civil and religious liberty issues to engagement in religious bullying for the purpose of drawing out and starting a fight with others, a fight from which they hope to make gains for themselves, and achieve humiliation and loss for the other.
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I 100% agree!