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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Johann on March 11, 2011, 08:44:53 AM

Title: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2011, 08:44:53 AM
I have posted this on the other site:

Linda Shelton and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen can thank Cindy Conard for providing a site where this notarized account by Brenda Welsh on Cindy's website could be posted. This posting makes the seven year old tale still current. Dr. Abrahamsen and Linda are now getting a top notch go-getter of a lawyer to aid them in suing Brenda for all the miseries Brenda has caused them during these seven years by her fraudulent tales.

Other witnesses also noticed how Brenda made a number of improper and flirting advances at Dr. Abrahamsen during their stay in Norway, later projecting her own behavior on Linda. Perhaps Brenda felt she was far enough from home to behave like that and get away with it. Besides that she had been separated from her own husband for several months at some time prior to this.

Dr. Abrahamsen reports how he had to lock his own bedroom door to keep Brenda out of there. Brenda still tried to wake the Doctor up so she could get access to his bedroom.  Although Dr. Abrahamsen did not respond to Brenda's advances he was fully awake and knew what was going on. Later Brenda adjusted the tales of her own behavior as if Linda had been in his bedroom.

When Brenda discovered she could not have her way with Dr. Abrahamsen she seemed disappointed and therefore tried to give Linda the fault.

Seems like Brenda's thwarted account was just what Danny Shelton needed to get rid of Linda.

If Brenda wants to make up before she gets a notification from a lawyer she had better hurry up. That may save her a lot of difficulties that she had never envisioned. But Brenda does not need to make any contact unless she is willing to confess and also try to convince Cindy and others that their accusations have been based on false premises as far as she is concerned.

Justice may take time, but a day of reckoning comes to all of us. Brenda better take care of this before her final destiny is decided! If nothing else helps, Linda Shelton and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen are prepared to let the best lawyer available help her make that decision in front of a judge and/or jury, if that is the only way she will make things right.

And thank you for posting that notarized account of Brenda's tales. It is too late to delete it now.
It appears like you people have access to Brenda, so I make you responsible for getting this message to her immediately.

Johann Thorvaldsson
Title: Brenda's tales
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 11, 2011, 09:22:14 AM
So Johann, is Linda demanding that Brenda apologize for and retract her accusation that Linda had gotten an abortion even before Arild came along? In other words, that Linda cheated on Danny multiple times?

There's a recording somewhere of Brenda making all sorts of claims like that.
Title: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2011, 11:45:41 AM
So Johann, is Linda demanding that Brenda apologize for and retract her accusation that Linda had gotten an abortion even before Arild came along? In other words, that Linda cheated on Danny multiple times?

There's a recording somewhere of Brenda making all sorts of claims like that.

I have never heard of that before. Is the recording available?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 11, 2011, 12:19:01 PM
YES...wanna hear it!!!

Oh, by the way...WAY LONG PAST DUE!!!!

Here, Here!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2011, 12:22:31 PM
Quote from:  Cindy
How silly and ridiculous is this?!?!? Linda is all the sudden with the Doctor gonna jump up and sue Brenda Walsh when for years Joy, Pickle and co. have been trying to get her to sue anyone and everyone, including Brenda Walsh for telling on her and she didn't want to go to court about it? I'm sorry but I really don't buy that.

Plus... you forgot I think. Linda and her friends published this all over the internet also:
"I am asking, no demanding, that the information be made public at my request! Cast aside those pretended desires to "spare me"! The world is waiting with baited breath!"


Johann, in my opinion you should really try to gather some facts or even ask a question or two before you run off and tell tales, and try to stir up trouble and issue threats.

I have no intention of deleting the post with the quoted excerpt from the notarized statement. A statement which was not made nor notarized by Brenda Walsh as you claim It is here say actually and notarized by Ida Smith. The excerpt was copy and pasted from where the complete statement is published online for all to see by your buddies, Bob Pickle and Gailon Joy. I seem to recall it was posted on BSDA as well... It is not new and has been in the public domain for quite some time and still is thanks to Pickle.

As for your story about Brenda above? .. .for shame. On you.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 11, 2011, 12:28:00 PM
Why shame on me? I think everything you write here encourages them to do now what they probably should have done a few years back. Yes, shame on me, that I did not encourage them to do that a long time ago. Unfortunately it was not until they read your posts here that challenged them to seek a good lawyer to vindicate themselves. Thank you for that, Cindy. It could also be my fault that I have not been sharing with them before all that you have been posting. Yes, I agree with you: Shame on me!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 11, 2011, 01:13:23 PM
May I restate that as Shame on Linda for letting this go on for so long unchallenged. We had this story in 2006 and since then have accumulated statements, recordings and watched in frustration as we had agreed to hold back the winds of strife on this subject.

It is very much about time that they take a stand and unleash the furies against this den of prevaricators that have largely built a reputation at Linda Sue Shelton's expense.

Now, FOLLOW THROUGH on it and we WILL HAVE THE SATISFACTION OF A FINAL CHAPTER IN VICTORY!!!

And Cindy can cry in her soup!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Adam on March 11, 2011, 01:36:17 PM
Why shame on me? I think everything you write here encourages them to do now what they probably should have done a few years back. Yes, shame on me, that I did not encourage them to do that a long time ago. Unfortunately it was not until they read your posts here that challenged them to seek a good lawyer to vindicate themselves. Thank you for that, Cindy. It could also be my fault that I have not been sharing with them before all that you have been posting. Yes, I agree with you: Shame on me!

Yes, Shame on you Pastor Johann, for standing up for what is right!!! And Cindy Conard shame on you for having your head in the stand or stuck up Danny's re.......ER. please where the sun don't shine!!!!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 12, 2011, 06:14:04 AM
I posted this on the other site:

Quote
As far as I recall Linda readily forgave Brenda 7 years ago when she came to her and confessed she'd told Danny some tales about Linda from the trip to Norway. I think Linda believes in the 7x70 principle and that might be one reason Linda herself has left Brenda alone for those seven years. I don't think she wants to be the main person in this court case.

But Brenda never asked Dr. Arild Abrahamsen to forgive her, and that is why he no longer wants to wait for her confession since her tales are still being posted. It seems like he now is ready to look her straight in the eyes and have a competent lawyer with him. When you know that truth is on your side you can look straight in the face of other people without fear.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Snoopy on March 12, 2011, 10:03:17 AM
I posted this on the other site:

Quote
As far as I recall Linda readily forgave Brenda 7 years ago when she came to her and confessed she'd told Danny some tales about Linda from the trip to Norway. I think Linda believes in the 7x70 principle and that might be one reason Linda herself has left Brenda alone for those seven years. I don't think she wants to be the main person in this court case.

But Brenda never asked Dr. Arild Abrahamsen to forgive her, and that is why he no longer wants to wait for her confession since her tales are still being posted. It seems like he now is ready to look her straight in the eyes and have a competent lawyer with him. When you know that truth is on your side you can look straight in the face of other people without fear.


So it was a recent posting on Cindy's smut site that prompted renewed interest in litigation against Brenda Walsh on the part of Dr. A - am I understanding you correctly?

Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 12, 2011, 11:21:45 AM
So it was a recent posting on Cindy's smut site that prompted renewed interest in litigation against Brenda Walsh on the part of Dr. A - am I understanding you correctly?



For which I am grateful! This cannot go on forever.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Snoopy on March 12, 2011, 11:25:37 AM
So it was a recent posting on Cindy's smut site that prompted renewed interest in litigation against Brenda Walsh on the part of Dr. A - am I understanding you correctly?



For which I am grateful! This cannot go on forever.

I agree!

Do we know who Ida Smith is?

Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: childoftheking on March 12, 2011, 12:30:25 PM
She was the lady Brenda talked to on the phone about the tickets.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 12, 2011, 01:30:01 PM
She was the lady Brenda talked to on the phone about the tickets.

Do we have the entire statement?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: childoftheking on March 12, 2011, 02:15:54 PM
I have read it I thought it was on 3abn v joy. When I googled for it I found this reference:

www.3abnvjoy.com/1st-cir-08-2457/1st-cir-08-2457-joint-appendix.pdf

It must be in there somewhere. Since I have dial up and I am not even sure this pdf was loading for me-if it was loading it seemed to be taking forever-I will just give this reference and you can check. Do you remember?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: scratsmom on March 12, 2011, 06:05:07 PM
Having observed this whole mess first on BSDA and now here for a very long time, and having heard over and over of upcoming and impending and without-a-doubt-can't-help-but-take-place actions that will bring justice, please forgive me if I have a hard time believing it will ever happen. I would like to see it, but nothing I have seen thus far gives me much confidence. There is always a reason, it seems, that it doesn't end up taking place, or is done in secret, or is narrowly averted, or just-hasn't-happened-yet-but-for-sure-will-very-very-soon. And if it is this frustrating to me, I can't imagine how frustrating it is to the individuals involved.
Still watching...
scratsmom
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: childoftheking on March 12, 2011, 06:33:28 PM
I also am tired of waiting. But to get back to the statement by Ida Smith I believe I have found it as exhibit H attached to docket text# 100:
http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-100-9.pdf

Corrected a typo. Corrected has to have.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 12, 2011, 07:02:09 PM
You can add me to the list of those that are weary of waiting.

Childoftheking, you beat me to it. It is http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-100-9.pdf (http://www.3abnvjoy.com/mad-07cv40098/mad-07cv40098-doc-100-9.pdf). The recording adds the abortion comment to the part where Linda thought she was pregnant some years before.

Is it normal for men to talk to other women about their vasectomies, as Brenda claimed Danny did?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 12, 2011, 08:41:09 PM
Anything worth acheiving is worth waiting for...did we really think it was going to be a walk in the park? You are up against demons and principalities, liars and perverts and it is ironic that it will be the gentiles that will likely utilize all that documentation to meet the issues head on while we are still in appeal.

I deeply regret that this is the path that 3ABN has chosen and note it would have been much better to have dealth with these issues in the winter of 2006-2007 with ASI, but, Danny wanted a war and he got it...then dismissed as it became clear he was going to loose the war...we appealed and pursued and surprisingly the battle will be taken from us and given to the gentiles to MOP UP. C'est la vie!!!

Brenda is another issue and must be dealt with, but the avenue for that process is not yet clear.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 13, 2011, 08:58:37 AM
It appears to me that part of the blame for the dealing with it in the winter of 2006 and 2007 must fall at the feet of Harold Lance, who adamantly refused to permit it to be dealt with, despite our pleas.

And then he had the nerve to block my ASI membership application, as if one cannot be a member of ASI if one complains about the cover up of child molestation.

If Harold Lance has not yet changed his position on the relationship of child molestation to ASI membership, he ought to be impeached.

In reality, any individual or ministry that takes a stand against vile iniquity should be welcomed into ASI with open arms.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: GRAT on March 13, 2011, 09:37:33 AM
You can add me to the list of those that are weary of waiting.


Is it normal for men to talk to other women about their vasectomies, as Brenda claimed Danny did?

Only if he want to get into her panties. 
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 13, 2011, 12:46:51 PM
Yes, Shame on you Pastor Johann, for standing up for what is right!!! And Cindy Conard shame on you for having your head in the stand or stuck up Danny's re.......ER. please where the sun don't shine!!!!

Only if he want to get into her panties. 

:oops:

Crude,         Rude,         Uncouth,         Vulgar,         Un-Necessary     
                                                                     
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 13, 2011, 01:41:05 PM
Here is the result of a primary investigation of the possibility in a case against Brenda:

Quote
Remember, that this is a civil adversarial litigation and the jury will be instructed that they must decide the issues based upon the propensity of the evidence. In other words, the jury must weigh all the evidence "allowed" to be introduced to the jury, which will be a combination of documents and testimony, to determine if the defendant engaged in  bad acts or bad behavior and is consequently likely to have been guilty of the alleged torts at bar in the plaintiff's complaint. And they must only find that there is a greater than 50% chance that evidence points in that direction.

When you consider that this case has SEVERAL WITNESSES relating to the behaviour, prior to and following the visit to Norway, . . .Brenda engaged in a pattern that suggested she was in fact the "interested" party" and there is overwhelming evidence that she engaged in defamation in a combination of settings, including at seminars and by telephone. . . IF THE ALLEGATIONS HAD ANY BASIS IN FACT, she can be held liable for disseminating them with the clear intent to defame and destroy the reputations of the parties. SHE IS NOT A REPORTER!!!
She is a defamer for personal gain and a jury is likely to disgorge those benefits and find her punishable (punitive damages) for such outrageous conduct. Add the clear actions of the directors since then and the jury would see a well organized effort by a racketeering organization to defame and destroy and would potentially hold them accountable as well!!! . . .
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 13, 2011, 02:19:05 PM
    
Quote from: Sharon
-------- Original Message --------
    Subject: From the first time I heard you speak I have known you are
    with Christ.
    From: "Sharon - - -" <sharon- - -@- - -.com>
    Date: Wed, March 09, 2011 5:03 am
    To: <linda@lindashelton.org>

    One day I was feeling so sad and missing my granddaughter so much. After my daughter divorced her husband who is now married to another man our trials began. There were so many court battles that it was hard for her to keep a job. Finally when my granddaughter was around 13 he petitioned the court to move from A. . . to L. . . He was required to fly S. . . to visit her mother every other weekend. It never happened even once and nothing was ever done about it. I cried and prayed and felt hopeless and forsaken. We lost all contact with S. . . until she was 18. In the fall of 2010 I got a call from S . . . and she was finally free from her father. We all gathered in P. . . and had a wonderful six months together. She decided to go back to C. . . and attend college there. She calls or emails almost everyday and she is so much fun. She is an excellent student and does not smoke,drink,or do drugs. Her father does all vices imaginable. Heavenly Father kept her safe and she was not forsaken at all. Her life still has lots of promise. She had so much fun meeting her five little nieces and redheaded nephew. She has so much love filling her life now.

    When I heard the mess about you and Danny I did not believe you had transgressed. I even got a letter from the station about you gee whiz. Even if you had transgressed what happened to mercy and forgiveness? Would it not have been a greater testimony to have the healing unfold on the show? I am sure most people questioned the motives behind just trying to erase you. Then when I read that the show is about the Gospel and not about one woman my mind went click. If I was so touched by you on the air so were many others. You became to important to too many and evil wanted you stopped. I feel sad for those who were used and manipulated by evil to cause you such pain and suffering. I pray for you to be strong and know that you touched the hearts of so many who have no power but to pray for you. We are many and we love you and wish you well. You gave so many a light in the darkness and we send out a light for you now. You helped us to see Christ in the smallest things and to embrace our blessings. You are loved and blessed.

    Sharon
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 13, 2011, 04:20:53 PM

Quote from: Johann
from   Johann Thorvaldsson <reinarjoi@gmail.com>
to   brenda@brendawalsh.com
date   Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:04 PM
subject   Jesus loves you
mailed-by   gmail.com
   
hide details 9:04 PM (33 minutes ago)
   
Dear Brenda,

Yes, Jesus loves you very much. He must be coming back very soon. Just think of the earthquake in Japan - and Jesus said there would be such earthquakes as a sign He is coming soon. A different earth calamity might strike where we live any day.

It is time to get our things in order with God and people now. I know it will make you feel much better towards all of those lovely children you have in your programs when you can see them straight in their eyes when you tell them they should be honest.

If there is anything I can do to help you make up with Linda and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen for the deceptive reports of your visit to Norway, then just let me know. I will be there for you. Wouldn't that be better than facing a jury in court?

With Christian love,

Johann
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 13, 2011, 06:51:51 PM
ASI, is that Adventists Selected International?

It appears to me that part of the blame for the dealing with it in the winter of 2006 and 2007 must fall at the feet of Harold Lance, who adamantly refused to permit it to be dealt with, despite our pleas.

And then he had the nerve to block my ASI membership application, as if one cannot be a member of ASI if one complains about the cover up of child molestation.

If Harold Lance has not yet changed his position on the relationship of child molestation to ASI membership, he ought to be impeached.

In reality, any individual or ministry that takes a stand against vile iniquity should be welcomed into ASI with open arms.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 13, 2011, 06:53:25 PM
But to the point, isn't it?

Yes, Shame on you Pastor Johann, for standing up for what is right!!! And Cindy Conard shame on you for having your head in the stand or stuck up Danny's re.......ER. please where the sun don't shine!!!!

Only if he want to get into her panties. 

:oops:

Crude,         Rude,         Uncouth,         Vulgar,         Un-Necessary     
                                                                     
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Mary Sue Smith on March 13, 2011, 07:10:12 PM
Johann, that is not right or fair.  Please take off Brenda's email address. You didn't make your email address public, then have the decency to do the same for Brenda at the least.   

GRAT--Your post was not becoming of a Christian.   What would your Pastor and Church think reading that from you?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 13, 2011, 07:19:05 PM
Johann, that is not right or fair.  Please take off Brenda's email address. You didn't make your email address public, then have the decency to do the same for Brenda at the least.  

Brenda's email address is available for all to see on her own webpage.

All you need is to click on the envelope here to the left and your post will reach me. And my own email address is also posted with the letter below, free for anyone to use.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 13, 2011, 07:31:37 PM
Yes, Shame on you Pastor Johann, for standing up for what is right!!! And Cindy Conard shame on you for having your head in the stand or stuck up Danny's re.......ER. please where the sun don't shine!!!!

Only if he want to get into her panties. 

:oops:

Crude,         Rude,         Uncouth,         Vulgar,         Un-Necessary     
                                                                     
How about you repeating this to remind us of Brenda's tale?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 14, 2011, 05:38:37 AM
Shortly after this post reached Linda it disappeared from her computer. She asked an expert to look for it but he could not find it either. He indicated some hacker with the aid of a cell phone could have deleted it. This is far from the first time such things happen on her computer. Soon the experts might be able to trace the hackers. The question remains, who could be interested in having such posts deleted?

Similar things have happened to me on a number of occasions during the past 7 years. A regular virus could do a lot of damage, but such a virus would hardly be selecting and deleting only posts that have to do with Danny Shelton.

When I started posting at the "other" site they jumped at me to prove certain things from the writings of Danny Shelton or his henchmen. Why?

I told them I would not search there now. I'll tell you the reason. I do not want anybody to know if Danny has succeeded in deleting all of those for him important documents. Or if I still have them stored safely, I do not want to give a hacker some key words he could use to search for them on my computer. I do not care if they ban me for it, but they are not going to trick me into complying now. That can be taken care of in a court case.

   
Quote from: Sharon
-------- Original Message --------
    Subject: From the first time I heard you speak I have known you are
    with Christ.
    From: "Sharon - - -" <sharon- - -@- - -.com>
    Date: Wed, March 09, 2011 5:03 am
    To: <linda@lindashelton.org>

    One day I was feeling so sad and missing my granddaughter so much. After my daughter divorced her husband who is now married to another man our trials began. There were so many court battles that it was hard for her to keep a job. Finally when my granddaughter was around 13 he petitioned the court to move from A. . . to L. . . He was required to fly S. . . to visit her mother every other weekend. It never happened even once and nothing was ever done about it. I cried and prayed and felt hopeless and forsaken. We lost all contact with S. . . until she was 18. In the fall of 2010 I got a call from S . . . and she was finally free from her father. We all gathered in P. . . and had a wonderful six months together. She decided to go back to C. . . and attend college there. She calls or emails almost everyday and she is so much fun. She is an excellent student and does not smoke,drink,or do drugs. Her father does all vices imaginable. Heavenly Father kept her safe and she was not forsaken at all. Her life still has lots of promise. She had so much fun meeting her five little nieces and redheaded nephew. She has so much love filling her life now.

    When I heard the mess about you and Danny I did not believe you had transgressed. I even got a letter from the station about you gee whiz. Even if you had transgressed what happened to mercy and forgiveness? Would it not have been a greater testimony to have the healing unfold on the show? I am sure most people questioned the motives behind just trying to erase you. Then when I read that the show is about the Gospel and not about one woman my mind went click. If I was so touched by you on the air so were many others. You became to important to too many and evil wanted you stopped. I feel sad for those who were used and manipulated by evil to cause you such pain and suffering. I pray for you to be strong and know that you touched the hearts of so many who have no power but to pray for you. We are many and we love you and wish you well. You gave so many a light in the darkness and we send out a light for you now. You helped us to see Christ in the smallest things and to embrace our blessings. You are loved and blessed.

    Sharon
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 14, 2011, 07:58:38 AM
GRAT--Your post was not becoming of a Christian.   What would your Pastor and Church think reading that from you?

Junebug, what do your pastor and church think about your persistent refusal to state that if a minor isn't consenting, it makes no difference when it comes to the question of pedophilia?

What does you husband think about your refusal? How about your son?

What do the parents of your students think of your refusal?

What does Hartland think of your refusal?

I really think you ought to take Ted Wilson's entreaties to heart. True revival and reformation will include taking a stand against child molestation and other forms of fornication, regardless of whether the child was consenting or not.

I repeat: Whether the child was consenting or not does not make it less than sin, and totally disqualifies one from serving as a pastor. Your adamant refusal to take a stand does not change these facts.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 14, 2011, 07:25:54 PM
Johann, that is not right or fair.  Please take off Brenda's email address. You didn't make your email address public, then have the decency to do the same for Brenda at the least.   

GRAT--Your post was not becoming of a Christian.   What would your Pastor and Church think reading that from you?

And Mary Sue, what is not fair about allowing the world to see an e-mail address? And how does that compare to the outrageous tales of Brenda about Linda Sue and wihout Linda Sue's ability to respond? Or is your world also a one way street with Justice for only those you deem deserve it?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporer
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: GRAT on March 14, 2011, 08:56:06 PM
Johann, that is not right or fair.  Please take off Brenda's email address. You didn't make your email address public, then have the decency to do the same for Brenda at the least.   

GRAT--Your post was not becoming of a Christian.   What would your Pastor and Church think reading that from you?

Well Mary Sue Smith, would you rather I stated it "Only if he wanted to have sex with her", would that have been more acceptable to you?  By the way, I have gone through the SDA school system and your attempt to shame is NOT working!!!    :hot:
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 15, 2011, 03:28:30 AM
Perhaps it is finally - after these seven years - beginning to dawn on some minds what Brenda had to gain with Danny Shelton by selling her twisted tales.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 15, 2011, 06:34:10 AM
- - -
Is it normal for men to talk to other women about their vasectomies, as Brenda claimed Danny did?

Brenda should not get all the blame for this. While I was still standing right outside the 3ABN sanctuary after the close of the opening meeting of the 2004 3ABN Camp Meeting, suddenly Danny Shelton appears right before me in his car and starts talking quite loudly to me. Men and women were still pouring out of the church and I'm certain many of them heard Danny proclaiming no woman could get pregnant by him because he had had his vasectomy. Why was he making this known to all the women around?

What would Mary Sue Smith, aka Junebird and other "akas", think of Danny Shelton at that moment?

Just a few days later Danny presented his filthy tales to the Board of Directors, twisted in disfavor of Linda. The tales were presented to Linda and us afterward, but she was never given the opportunity to defend herself.

Is that appropriate Christian morals according to Junebug? What is acceptable to a follower of Jesus Christ?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 15, 2011, 07:03:24 AM
Well, Elder Johann, a big part of this process has been to demonstrate that a good part of the 3ABN Administration has a "MORALS ISSUEs"...and seems to indicate a missing moral compass.

So many have had serious moral falls and while many would argue that merely makes them "sinners"
worthy of foregiveness and grace, an imperative part is "confession" and is largely missing. In fact
as I sit here and think of the the many leaders and directors at 3ABN and the number of very public
sins that have been committed, I cannot think of a single example of any one of them doing a public
confession, showing a contrition of soul and adopting a relationship that demonstrates revival and
reformation.

I have seen cover-ups, lawsuit to distract from the issues, attempted mergers, buyouts a/k/a payoffs,
refusal to submit to properly constituted church authority, intimidation, malicious slandering, refusal to follow any form of "Due Process", adultery, and the list could go on...if you were not connected, as in Scott Grady, you were tossed on your ear, but if you were family and or connected, you likely got a raise and a badge of courage to go with the promotion...frankly I do not have the time to consider all the issues we have discovered.

Can someone help me here and show me I am wrong and with proof that such a "confession" event has actually happened? Day, time setting and the content of the "confession" would be sufficient!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 15, 2011, 07:07:09 AM
By the way, has the subject of this thread, Brenda Walsh yet responded to your plea???

Maybe she posts to the "dark side"???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 15, 2011, 07:28:36 AM
By the way, has the subject of this thread, Brenda Walsh yet responded to your plea???

Maybe she posts to the "dark side"???

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter

Some would say, Give her time! It takes a long time for many who have gained their fame by their fictional glorification to reach the bottom level of confession. Why is it so difficult for those who are "rich" in fame to enter the Kingdom of our Creator? How many are willing to forfeit their password to the limelight of TV cameras to be a child of God?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 15, 2011, 03:49:16 PM
Communication? Considering that communication is a basic function in human relationship I decided to call 3ABN wanting to speak with John Gilley who was not available. I was told they were all at a meeting.

About 45 minutes later my phone rang and Molly Steenson asked to talk to Johann Thorvaldsson. She said she took the call because Jim Gilley does not know me.

I asked how things had been going all these years, and she said there was continual progress, everything going forward.

I mentioned I had noticed they were starting a series on TRUTH, and she said it was John Lomacang starting tomorrow.

Then I asked her if she was aware that Dr. Aril Abrahamsen is now suing Brenda for the untruth. . .

- I did not know you would bring those things up. I am not prepared to speak to you about accusations against 3ABN. Have a good day!

And she hung up.

I did not make a recording. Just how I recall the conversation.

So much for Christian communication! You might feel Molly did the right thing.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 15, 2011, 06:45:09 PM
That is what you get for telling the TRUTH, particularly at 3ABN!!!

So much for the hero's welcome!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 16, 2011, 02:17:09 AM
A team structured to destroy the reputation of one woman and to protect and defend wickedness - hiding behind a proclamation of the gospel.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Artiste on March 16, 2011, 02:17:29 PM

...Molly Steenson asked to talk to Johann Thorvaldsson. She said she took the call because Jim Gilley does not know me.

I asked how things had been going all these years, and she said there was continual progress, everything going forward.

I mentioned I had noticed they were starting a series on TRUTH, and she said it was John Lomacang starting tomorrow.

Then I asked her if she was aware that Dr. Aril Abrahamsen is now suing Brenda for the untruth. . .

- I did not know you would bring those things up. I am not prepared to speak to you about accusations against 3ABN. Have a good day!

And she hung up.

Well that's an interesting response, Johann.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on March 16, 2011, 02:23:47 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but this happened recently, Johann?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 16, 2011, 08:45:50 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but this happened recently, Johann?

If you call March 15, 2011 recently!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on March 17, 2011, 04:17:19 PM
What?!  Really?  See, you are better than me, because, I would not have called them.   There was a long discussion and a plan before that call was made.  i don't believe in enabling people. What.....They.... Never mind.........SMH.........

Have the mentioned in....at the "other" site?  I would just love to hear what they had to say.  LOL!!


If you call March 15, 2011 recently!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: GRAT on March 17, 2011, 05:53:31 PM
I would love to be a fly or a "nail" on the wall in the "compound".   :purr:
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 17, 2011, 07:00:04 PM
A team structured to destroy the reputation of one woman and to protect and defend wickedness - hiding behind a proclamation of the gospel.

Excellent Summary, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!! And what goes around, COMES AROUND!!! CAN YOU HEAR IT COMING??? Put your head to the rail and know there is a team getting ready to bring it home to roost!!! Quietly but meticulously the deal will be struck or the Racketeering claim will be arriving.

May justice be finally achieved!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 17, 2011, 07:03:10 PM
What?!  Really?  See, you are better than me, because, I would not have called them.   There was a long discussion and a plan before that call was made.  i don't believe in enabling people. What.....They.... Never mind.........SMH.........

Have the mentioned in....at the "other" site?  I would just love to hear what they had to say.  LOL!!


If you call March 15, 2011 recently!

Have you sensed that boldness is building? They need a day of feasting and prayer, a call to revival and reformation!!!


Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 17, 2011, 07:14:39 PM
I would love to be a fly or a "nail" on the wall in the "compound".   :purr:

Way too risky, Grat...they are likely acheiving a state of anguish that is now at MELT-DOWN stage and UNPREDICTABLE!!!

When one ignores the very knocking at the door that you purportedly preach; and abandon sound principals in exchange for demonic conduct in support of an admitted pedophile; Be certain that the Lords Blessing and Protection is most certainly compromised; one must quake in fear knowing that the locomorive is moving straight at you and there is little you can do, but pursue revival and reformation filled liberally with public confession and repentance  Otherwise, you will soon REAP THE WHIRLWIND of OPEN AND NOTORIOUS SIN.

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 17, 2011, 07:52:43 PM
Gailon,

There is another possible scenario. It's found in Josephus' history of the destruction of Jerusalem, as well as the first chapter of The Great Controversy. The Jewish rebels in 66 to 70 AD were certain that God was on their side, and would never allow the Romans to conquer them, even as those same rebels slaughtered each other mercilessly, stole, deceived, and broke the Sabbath.

So they may have a lot of fear right now, but then again they might not have any more fear than the Jewish rebels did during the Jewish Revolt of 66 to 70 AD.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 18, 2011, 01:11:55 PM
Shortly after this post reached Linda it disappeared from her computer....

Quoting all that follows:


Quote from: steffan
Johann,
You do realize that "this post" is on your [not]AT server, right? You do realize that it can't "disappear" from her computer - because all she's doing is reading, right?
But thank you for proving Linda is an outright liar. If as she claims she does not interest herself in any of this, why is she getting any of "this post"???
In fact, as someone over on your slime site said, "to let it go" but now it seems, with Linda getting "this post", it looks like she can't let it go.

Also, tell Linda's "expert" that he's all hot air, oops, I mean Bob Pickle - the man who knows a lot about nothing.

As he wrote
Quote
Shortly after this post reached Linda it disappeared from her computer. She asked an expert to look for it but he could not find it either. He indicated some hacker with the aid of a cell phone could have deleted it. This is far from the first time such things happen on her computer. Soon the experts might be able to trace the hackers. The question remains, who could be interested in having such posts deleted?

Quoted reply from Cynthia:
The other part of his post on AT was an excuse for why he couldn't provide documentation to support his foul accusations as we asked for. As usual that excuse is all about making more unsupported accusations to justify the first unsupported accusations. I can not recall one time that the man has ever provided evidence or proof when asked.

His new tale is this:

Quote
Similar things have happened to me on a number of occasions during the past 7 years. A regular virus could do a lot of damage, but such a virus would hardly be selecting and deleting only posts that have to do with Danny Shelton.

When I started posting at the "other" site they jumped at me to prove certain things from the writings of Danny Shelton or his henchmen. Why?

I told them I would not search there now. I'll tell you the reason. I do not want anybody to know if Danny has succeeded in deleting all of those for him important documents. Or if I still have them stored safely, I do not want to give a hacker some key words he could use to search for them on my computer. I do not care if they ban me for it, but they are not going to trick me into complying now. That can be taken care of in a court case.

1. Admin hat on -- I explained several times in several different ways to  Johann Thorvaldsson via posts and pms that he would not be able to repeat his accusations here unless he was willing to provide documentation and evidence when he was asked for it, the very first time he arrogantly declared he wouldn't go searching for any emails.  After all of that he now again posts: "I told them I would not.."  He is not banned, but he can't just declare he won't be complying" with the rules here, and then keep posting about this and repeating himself, so he is not going to post in this topic further without first providing the evidence he was asked for. -- Admin hat off

2. Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he meant"email" or "emails" every time he said "post" or"posts"? I still don't believe him, not one single bit.  Not only do I know that hacking into his computer or Linda's is not something that DS or 3ABN would ever do, but it makes no more sense than when Fran claimed that they were doing this to her. In fact it's downright stupid and illogical, not to mention FALSE.

Johann looks silly claiming, this post was deleted by a hacker ( meaning DS or someone employed by him) from Linda's computer. What would be the point in Ds doing so? First of all, that letter is evidence of nothing! That letter contains nothing that  DS or 3ABN would even be concerned about. I'm certainly not concerned about it.  Johann just likes to post fan mail addressed to Linda, and say "look people love and support her." I don't have a problem with that, although I do think it weird, and think it more likely it is Linda saying "look people love and support me", as these letters he quotes are all allegedly sent to her but keep ending up on the internet...

 Even if DS was an unscrupulous hacker, or had some one doing that on his behalf, what would be the point of removing something from one computer when it is still on other's computers and web pages, and in court files etc?

These folks have shared between themselves, and published any and every  private correspondence or document, or out of context snippet, or quote they could use against DS or 3ABN or anyone related to them all over the internet and in every court filing they made and in between themselves FOR YEARS now.

That email was obviously  forwarded to Johann, and who knows how many other peoples computers, as Johann obviously quoted it in his post, after he said it was removed from Linda's computer. So it's not gone. It wasn't really removed even if she did lose it somehow.

 If anyone had hacked her email to remove "evidence" they could also obviously see that same email had been forwarded and understand that no purpose would be served by  removing it from Linda's computer only. Same thing with Fran and her "public IRS documents", "public Ebay info and files, what would be the purpose in DS removing them from her computer only? She got her so called evidence from publicly available information on websites which is still publicly available to all.  Her faulty conclusions about that were sent to Pickle/Joy,  and a bunch of other people and even posted online and copied from forum to forum by she and those others she sent it to or posted it too. In additions she sent it all to the IRS, who then exonerated DS and 3ABN... The point being that their so called "evidence" wasn't really removed, even if someone was hacking Fran's computer, and no purpose would be served for doing so even if anyone cared to as it was already all over the place.

So, anyway after 7 years of Johann sharing all his private emails which he thinks are evidence against 3abn and DS with others, (and either he or them publishing them all over the internet in forums and court filings and websites) he suddenly when asked to provide the evidence for his false tale acts as if he has the only copy of letters which are damaging to DS. Reallly? he has never published, posted,  or shared them with anyone? Letters which he has all along been claiming exist and are how he knew DS was a liar and caused him to stop defending Danny Shelton? Well how out of character is that?!? NOT.

Then his excuse for not producing the evidence he claims to have is because he's afraid if he posts them a hacker (DS) will search his computer for the letters and remove them, or has already done so?

As I said, That's ignorant. Anyone falling for that excuse would have to be equally ignorant

Real people who aren't intent on offering lame excuses for lying know they can save things on their computers to a jumpdrive, a CD or other storage device. They know they can print emails with the headers included. They know they can forward emails to others with the headers to validate their authenticity. They know if they post it --and the email is removed from their computer or lost or accidentally deleted, that the post along with all the previous mentioned ways to record and save it, still exist.

No liar is going to heaven, nor are folks who love lies.  Johann is a pastor, he knows that and needs to be accountable for the things he claims."

end of quoted post...
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Snoopy on March 18, 2011, 02:06:03 PM

1. Admin hat on -- I explained several times in several different ways to  Johann Thorvaldsson via posts and pms that he would not be able to repeat his accusations here unless he was willing to provide documentation and evidence when he was asked for it, the very first time he arrogantly declared he wouldn't go searching for any emails.  After all of that he now again posts: "I told them I would not.."  He is not banned, but he can't just declare he won't be complying" with the rules here, and then keep posting about this and repeating himself, so he is not going to post in this topic further without first providing the evidence he was asked for. -- Admin hat off



 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:


Oh yes!   Screaming laughing!!  Cindy is demanding evidence!!!   RICH!!

Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 18, 2011, 02:33:37 PM
I thought sir mizer might bring this over here since I am no longer posting over there, and I am prepared to answer, if needed, but it will be - later - after you have verified your claim that Brenda was telling the truth when she started this whole mess. Lets get back to basics - how this whole mess started.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 18, 2011, 02:42:25 PM

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:


Oh yes!   Screaming laughing!!  Cindy is demanding evidence!!!   RICH!!



We have to prepare a great celebration on the first occasion Cindy provides evidence for her claims!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Nosir Myzing on March 18, 2011, 02:59:20 PM
I thought sir mizer might bring this over here since I am no longer posting over there, and I am prepared to answer, if needed, but it will be - later - after you have verified your claim that Brenda was telling the truth when she started this whole mess. Lets get back to basics - how this whole mess started.


Uh... That is a new question, and one I can't answer. I have no such claims to verify.  I didn't make any claims about Brenda Walsh. I have never even met her, or communicated with her in any way... I personally have never even seen any poster defending 3ABN claiming Brenda has said anything one way or another. No one posting on the forums that I recall has ever claimed to have spoken to her, or to have been quoting her, nor said anything about anything she has allegedly said or not said in regards to truth or lies.

All I have seen published and on forums, websites and court documents is the claims from you, Pickle and Joy about what Brenda Walsh allegedly said, and your claims about what Danny said she said, and the venom and accusations you all made against her in response to your own words about that. So you all got quoted a couple of days back, and then you personally went ballistic and started threatening lawsuits on behalf of Linda Shelton and her Doctor based on your own side's alleged evidence. That's you, and that's your problem...

As you said get back to basics. Good idea. Let me remind you, that this all started with a question to you in reply to your posts and apparently you are now claiming you can answer...

So either do it, or stop wasting others time.

Whether you come clean or not, or instead return with more unsubstantiated claims and accusations, I need to finish preparing for the Sabbath. Later, gator.

Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 18, 2011, 03:17:21 PM
Finally you are admitting that you really don't know a thing about what you are dealing with. That admission explains a lot. Thank you!

This whole thing started with Brenda's tales - and a demon that troubled her one night. Beware of that demon, and rather worship our Creator  through Jesus Christ. The demon needs to be eradicated. It is the demon we are fighting against - and praying it will not destroy 3ABN fully. For the safety of your own soul, Cindy, come clear of the influence of the demon who appeared to Brenda and has done so much to destroy 3ABN.

Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 18, 2011, 05:30:41 PM
No one posting on the forums that I recall has ever claimed to have spoken to her, or to have been quoting her, nor said anything about anything she has allegedly said or not said in regards to truth or lies.

All I have seen published and on forums, websites and court documents is the claims from you, Pickle and Joy about what Brenda Walsh allegedly said, and your claims about what Danny said she said, and the venom and accusations you all made against her in response to your own words about that.

So, no one posting on the forums has quoted Brenda Walsh, but there has been plenty posted on the forums quoting Brenda Walsh.  :scratch:
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 18, 2011, 06:03:54 PM
- - -
I personally have never even seen any poster defending 3ABN claiming Brenda has said anything one way or another. No one posting on the forums that I recall has ever claimed to have spoken to her, or to have been quoting her, nor said anything about anything she has allegedly said or not said in regards to truth or lies.

All I have seen published and on forums, websites and court documents is the claims from you, Pickle and Joy about what Brenda Walsh allegedly said, and your claims about what Danny said she said, and the venom and accusations you all made against her in response to your own words about that. So you all got quoted a couple of days back, and then you personally went ballistic and started threatening lawsuits on behalf of Linda Shelton and her Doctor based on your own side's alleged evidence. That's you, and that's your problem...
- - -

You have read nothing . . . and here you are admitting it, Cindy. That is a good start. This has been posted and available all the time to anyone reading without the blinds of bias on their eyes.

What you call accusations is merely a verification of the truth.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 18, 2011, 06:11:48 PM
Here is the real truth of what happened and how Brenda changed it to please Danny. This is the truth, and nothing but the truth.

I have posted this on the other site:

Linda Shelton and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen can thank Cindy Conard for providing a site where this notarized account by Brenda Welsh on Cindy's website could be posted. This posting makes the seven year old tale still current. Dr. Abrahamsen and Linda are now getting a top notch go-getter of a lawyer to aid them in suing Brenda for all the miseries Brenda has caused them during these seven years by her fraudulent tales.

Other witnesses also noticed how Brenda made a number of improper and flirting advances at Dr. Abrahamsen during their stay in Norway, later projecting her own behavior on Linda. Perhaps Brenda felt she was far enough from home to behave like that and get away with it. Besides that she had been separated from her own husband for several months at some time prior to this.

Dr. Abrahamsen reports how he had to lock his own bedroom door to keep Brenda out of there. Brenda still tried to wake the Doctor up so she could get access to his bedroom.  Although Dr. Abrahamsen did not respond to Brenda's advances he was fully awake and knew what was going on. Later Brenda adjusted the tales of her own behavior as if Linda had been in his bedroom.

When Brenda discovered she could not have her way with Dr. Abrahamsen she seemed disappointed and therefore tried to give Linda the fault.

Seems like Brenda's thwarted account was just what Danny Shelton needed to get rid of Linda.

If Brenda wants to make up before she gets a notification from a lawyer she had better hurry up. That may save her a lot of difficulties that she had never envisioned. But Brenda does not need to make any contact unless she is willing to confess and also try to convince Cindy and others that their accusations have been based on false premises as far as she is concerned.

Justice may take time, but a day of reckoning comes to all of us. Brenda better take care of this before her final destiny is decided! If nothing else helps, Linda Shelton and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen are prepared to let the best lawyer available help her make that decision in front of a judge and/or jury, if that is the only way she will make things right.

And thank you for posting that notarized account of Brenda's tales. It is too late to delete it now.
It appears like you people have access to Brenda, so I make you responsible for getting this message to her immediately.

Johann Thorvaldsson

I did send this to Brenda as well.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 19, 2011, 03:24:50 PM
I must admit we have much ado about nothing in Sir Mizer's most recent posts...is it possible she IS SEEING THE LIGHT...ready for confession and repentance in preparation for revival and reformation???

I have seen stranger things, but at some point, the most ardent supporter of DLS has frequently become a serious detractor!!!

I can site several times during the investigative process when initial contacts with witnesses resulted in venomous responses only to later, bitten by conscience and duty, gave very informative and collaterally provable evidence.

If this is the party we believe it to be, that party is a reformer in spirit, albeit a bit of a separationist, from the early and mid '90's; a position not all that disimilar to DLS and family in this period. In fact the co-founder of the ministry became an avid separationist and even set up an independent church and wrote in the Grossbol's Steps to Life magazine. Do I not recall that the Late Ralph Larson ordained him at a Steps to Life Camp Meeting in the mid 90's?

So, be prepared for a surprise as I suspect it is coming!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 19, 2011, 04:40:27 PM
EXCELLENT OBSERVATION...perfectly fits the arrogance and the hypocrisy of a ministry lead by unrepentant adulterers determined to save a pedophile from his accountability!!!

Justice cometh...tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock.... at the hands of Gentiles!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter


Gailon,

There is another possible scenario. It's found in Josephus' history of the destruction of Jerusalem, as well as the first chapter of The Great Controversy. The Jewish rebels in 66 to 70 AD were certain that God was on their side, and would never allow the Romans to conquer them, even as those same rebels slaughtered each other mercilessly, stole, deceived, and broke the Sabbath.

So they may have a lot of fear right now, but then again they might not have any more fear than the Jewish rebels did during the Jewish Revolt of 66 to 70 AD.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 20, 2011, 03:48:59 PM
In connection with this discussion I'd like to make it clear that I am not a spokesperson for Linda Shelton nor Dr. Ariil Abrahamsen. If anyone has questions I invite them to read what I already have written. It is true that Dr. Arild Abrhamsen and I had a talk this morning about the court case where we discussed reactions and how that is helping him, but if anyone has any further questions I'd suggest you wait and see, or if you have a lawyer, request him to contact Dr. Abrahamsen.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Sister on March 25, 2011, 08:02:11 AM

I have a question, although in hindsight it is probably rhetorical in nature. Why, seven years later is Brenda Walsh still feeding the rumor mill with accusations against Linda Shelton? Since some have voiced the opinion that any further attempt by Linda to clear her reputation is little more than beating a dead horse, then why is Brenda still resuscitating it and keeping it alive through continued embellishment and spreading of her accusations from 2004? Brenda claimed to have had a demon visitation and was instructed by said demon to spread the “truth” about Linda. Another question, since when does a demon become an advocate of truth? And why would any Christian allow herself to be instructed and lead by a demon? Satan is the father of lies and demons are his minions. One of the tasks demons fulfill is to spread lies and raise havoc among God’s faithful servants. So, how is it that Brenda is still actively following the instructions of a demon while involved in Christian ministry? Surely, I am not the only one that sees a discrepancy in this situation? Who has supported her in obtaining this thriving ministry and how was it accomplished? Danny Shelton, through continued 3ABN programming and making Brenda the head of the 3ABN children’s network, has given her the platform to establish a ministry. 3ABN supports and promotes her books and Tommy Shelton has been an essential part of her music ministry and the production of her music CD’s. The cookbooks she produces with her sisters are promoted through their cooking programs on 3ABN.With all the fame and acceptability within Adventist circles that Brenda has gained through her association with Danny Shelton, isn’t it a bit suspect that she continues to heap coals of false accusations against Linda Shelton after all this time? Why hasn’t Brenda moved on with her life? What does she gain by continued slander against Linda Shelton? When a murder is committed, motive is a primary part of identifying a suspect. Brenda has gained so much through her falsehoods and out right lies. What does she have to loose if Linda’s reputation is restored and she regains a ministry within the SDA Church? You do the math...

Sister
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: guide4him on March 26, 2011, 01:29:57 PM
I agree with your comments Sister. A demon tells Brenda to say things against Linda. Apparently that demon has not come back to tell Brenda she can quit spreading lies and slander against Linda.

 Satan must be so happy with Brenda working for him. Don't think he will be asking Brenda to stop any time soon. He is having lots of fun with Brenda on his side.

Just my own humble opinion.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 26, 2011, 04:40:21 PM

I have a question, although in hindsight it is probably rhetorical in nature....within the SDA Church? You do the math...

Sister

Sister, you have answered your own question but for those with challenged MATH SKILLS, 1 + 1 still equals 2, 2+2 still equals 4, 3+3 still equals 6, etc...in other words when a married man has no biblical basis for divorce and is willing to "have sexual relations with that woman"...it is still ADULTERY...Danny Lee Shelton is now an "ADULTERER...TWICE REMOVED, The story of a televangelist"...SISTER...great name for a new book.

Then there is also a need for a new serial on Tommy Ray Shelton...perhaps we can resurrect Von Braun to do a sequel "PEDOPHILE...THRICE REMOVED, The story of a Televangelist's Brother".

And just to wrap things up, perhaps a final book "RACKETEERING ONCE REMOVED..." and THE FINAL CHAPTER..."PAYING THE PIPER!!!" Bob, that would be your perfect opportunity to publish a block-buster!!!

Oh, I forgot to mention that 1+2 equals 3...three great books...now if we could just get Linda to do one. well, 3 + 1 equals what? 4 Again???

Om, my, Mr Gregory, are we just creating four new victims???

Let's go for it!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Sister on March 27, 2011, 02:00:25 PM
I seldom take the time to sift through the muck at Cindy’s site, but I most quote the following recently posted by “Truth”: “Brenda does not listen to demons or have anything to do with them.” I do not know who this person is or how he/she receives information, but error is error, and needs to be exposed and corrected. If Johann would be so kind as to post an excerpt from an email he received from Dr. Walter Thompson, chairman of the 3ABN board of Directors, referring to Brenda Walsh’s demon experience, I am sure it could shed further light upon the subject. Perhaps Johann also has other sources of information that he would be willing to share concerning Brenda Walsh and her demon experience.

Sister

Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on March 27, 2011, 05:30:27 PM
Goes with a premise I have had from day one: They cannot tell the same story twice, let alone three times.

Yes, let's role out "Brenda's Demon"...or is it the Demon Brenda??? After all, if the demons are authors of lies, Brenda has sure authored a few whoppers!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on March 27, 2011, 07:52:17 PM
LOL!!!!  you guys have got to be kidding!  Ok so let me get this straight......Brenda Walsh, along with Danny and his supporters, actually spoke out loud about Brenda acting upon a 'demon" who appeared to her in a dream/vision and told her to tell "the thruth" about linda, and NONE of them were suspect.  IOW, plainly stated, to be completely clear.......all this time Brenday Walsh has been acting under the direction of satan?  Please, Pastor Johann, do post that letter.  I've got to see this on for myself.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 28, 2011, 08:29:21 AM
There is no email. Brenda herself is supposed to have called John Lomacang around 2 a.m. to tell him that a demon had thrown down a basket from a shelf in her apartment and this frightened her so that she had to call  John in the middle of night to confess her "sins". She is supposed to have confessed them, but as she told them she got the identities mixed up and said it was Linda who had done it, and her version has recently been verified at the other site.

Shortly after this happened I called Dr. Walt Thompson on the phone to discuss the event with him. I was astonished to hear his reply at that time. I made a note of it, since is was so unique. He claimed that the demon was benefiting 3ABN. How would you understand that? Until that moment I had hopes that Walt, as the chairman of the board, would help solve the crisis. When I heard him say that I started wondering.

Do you think this sounds crazy? I agree with that, just like almost anything else that happened after that.

There are still two witnesses against one who agree that Brenda turned everything around when she told her tales of  what  happened. How is the Biblical principle in a case like that?

It was Brenda's filthy lies who started this case. Those lies have been repeated so often that some people believe it actually happened the way Brenda tells it - just to please Danny!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Sister on March 28, 2011, 10:07:54 AM

Thank you, Johann. Sorry I thought it was an email from Walt Thompson, not a phone call. My bad. At one time I had heard the whole demon story, but I do not remember all the details exactly.

But it is a strange story...Normally a Christian confesses their sins to God, excepting the Catholic religion where the person confesses their sins to the priest. Or in a case such as Brenda's where she has publicly slandered Linda Shelton, she would publicly confess her sins against Linda and the Doctor, asking for their forgiveness and making restitution.

I remember the first time I met Brenda, she was wearing diamond earrings, a large diamond ring and was explaining why she only stayed at expensive hotels. Considering the extremely low wages that most 3ABN employees received, at best her remarks and display of wealth were in poor taste. Over the years she has exhibited a more distasteful side of her character: liar and gossip. God gives each of us the potential for being a blessing to others, but each one chooses whether to be an agent for good or for evil, to be influenced by angels or demons... It appears Brenda has made her choice.

Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Murcielago on March 28, 2011, 10:11:47 AM
This story begs the question. Is all that glitters gold? In the Achaean wars, Odysseus laid siege to the city of Troy, but failed in that tactic. He then built the legendary horse, filled it with his soldiers, and had the rest of his army sail away. the Trojans, thrilled with their apparent victory, brought the horse into town and while the people slept in peace, the hidden soldiers exited the horse and opened the gates of the city to the Achaean army that had returned from their fake departure. They entered the city and slaughtered its inhabitants, destroyed its temples, and killed king Priam.

Is it possible for the devil to build an organization that looks wonderful and has all the earmarks of true Adventism, something that will be welcomed and applauded, for the purpose of necrotizing the body from within? The most effective poison is not labeled "poison" but is served up in consumables that will not be suspected.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 28, 2011, 12:07:06 PM
We often hear of our terrible enemies, those who oppose our faith or doctrines, and we consider them the agents of Satan. This is a part of his strategy to keep our eyes from the enemies from within. Satan is not wasting his energy on those who are on his side - he's got them already. He is busy getting the most select of God's own people led astray by delusions from within.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on March 28, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
Does anybody remember me suggestion, at the beginning of this mess, that you all read two books by Frank E. Peretti, "This Present Darkness" and "Piercing the Darkness"?  Murcielago, they are finctional but based the very same premise of which you speak. 

Point #2, we(SDAs) always talk about truth being mixed with error as it applies to EVERONE else, but us.   There is is a very old southern gospel song that says, "Sweep around your own front door, before you try to sweep around mine". 

Ok so does this mean that Brenda has the relationship with the Dr.?  What did they mean she got the identites mixed up and said Linda, instead of herself?  Wasn't she supposed to be confessing about her own sins?  How did Linda's name even come up?  Please tell me WT did not say that the demons were working in favor of 3ABN.  You know that in the Left Behind Series there is a part of their prophecy that state that God will "borrow" some little creatures from hell to torment the unconverted.  I wonder if it was something like that........LOL!!!!   Ooops!! Sorry, couldn't help that little chuckle.


This story begs the question. Is all that glitters gold? In the Achaean wars, Odysseus laid siege to the city of Troy, but failed in that tactic. He then built the legendary horse, filled it with his soldiers, and had the rest of his army sail away. the Trojans, thrilled with their apparent victory, brought the horse into town and while the people slept in peace, the hidden soldiers exited the horse and opened the gates of the city to the Achaean army that had returned from their fake departure. They entered the city and slaughtered its inhabitants, destroyed its temples, and killed king Priam.

Is it possible for the devil to build an organization that looks wonderful and has all the earmarks of true Adventism, something that will be welcomed and applauded, for the purpose of necrotizing the body from within? The most effective poison is not labeled "poison" but is served up in consumables that will not be suspected.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on March 28, 2011, 09:01:17 PM


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Ok so does this mean that Brenda has the relationship with the Dr.?  What did they mean she got the identites mixed up and said Linda, instead of herself?  Wasn't she supposed to be confessing about her own sins?  How did Linda's name even come up?  Please tell me WT did not say that the demons were working in favor of 3ABN.  You know that in the Left Behind Series there is a part of their prophecy that state that God will "borrow" some little creatures from hell to torment the unconverted.  I wonder if it was something like that........LOL!!!!   Ooops!! Sorry, couldn't help that little chuckle.

The whole event is like a bizarre soap opera which seems so unbelievable that many people  claim this could never have happened. Isn't that what happens when kids get caught and they try to cover up with one lie after another? You just cannot imagine that adult confessing Christians could act like that too.

At first sight in Norway Brenda appeared to be the great charming personality next to the humble mouse Linda Shelton. When Brenda discovered Dr. Arild Abrahamsen brought a "date" along to church - a lady who was not a church member and a person he was trying to win for Christ - Brenda - a married woman - seemed jealous and started her flirting advances, so obviously that other church members noticed her behavior. She might have thought she was so far from home and her own husband that she could behave like that.

Again, like when kids get caught, they try to put the blame on someone else, so here it was Linda whom she blamed when the demon scared her into confessing her sins. All made up? How don't sinners often make up images to cover their sins? And how convenient when this in reality might have been a play to cover up a desperate need of a boss to get rid of his wife so he could marry someone else?

I was not there in church that evening, so how do I know? By talking to several people who were there. I have preached in that church a number of times, starting back in 1951 when Arild was only 8 years old. I was back there last Sabbath as a visitor, and it felt good to be greeted by so many wonderful friends who love the Lord. I know also so many of the aunts and uncles, parents and grandparents. What a family! Who wants a hostile intruder? My host blamed me - with a chuckle - the dinner was getting cold because it took me so long to break loose from the many old friends I had to have a word with. That is also the true spirit of church fellowship. Why permit any "smut" to destroy it?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Bob Pickle on March 30, 2011, 08:18:14 AM
I remember the first time I met Brenda, she was wearing diamond earrings, a large diamond ring and was explaining why she only stayed at expensive hotels.

Huh? She was doing that while doing programming at 3ABN?

Is it possible for the devil to build an organization that looks wonderful and has all the earmarks of true Adventism, something that will be welcomed and applauded, for the purpose of necrotizing the body from within?

According to Sister, Brenda's earmarks were of a different sort.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Sister on March 30, 2011, 09:35:35 AM
I remember the first time I met Brenda, she was wearing diamond earrings, a large diamond ring and was explaining why she only stayed at expensive hotels.

Huh? She was doing that while doing programming at 3ABN?




She took off her jewels for taping... The conversation took place in 3ABN guest housing.


Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on April 02, 2011, 08:33:23 PM
And what would you expect of a woman who sported enhanced breasts...and what does a wife do with this enhancement when she stays on the 3ABN campus for eight months at a time? Anyone want to comment on what they would think was going on all those months?

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter


Thank you, Johann. Sorry I thought it was an email from Walt Thompson, not a phone call. My bad. At one time I had heard the whole demon story, but I do not remember all the details exactly.

But it is a strange story...Normally a Christian confesses their sins to God, excepting the Catholic religion where the person confesses their sins to the priest. Or in a case such as Brenda's where she has publicly slandered Linda Shelton, she would publicly confess her sins against Linda and the Doctor, asking for their forgiveness and making restitution.

I remember the first time I met Brenda, she was wearing diamond earrings, a large diamond ring and was explaining why she only stayed at expensive hotels. Considering the extremely low wages that most 3ABN employees received, at best her remarks and display of wealth were in poor taste. Over the years she has exhibited a more distasteful side of her character: liar and gossip. God gives each of us the potential for being a blessing to others, but each one chooses whether to be an agent for good or for evil, to be influenced by angels or demons... It appears Brenda has made her choice.


Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on April 03, 2011, 03:53:09 PM
Come on now, GJ!!!  Even if it is true, this defintiely was not necessary.   
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on April 03, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
Come on now, GJ!!!  Even if it is true, this defintiely was not necessary.   

If it were not necessary, I would not have said it...let's let the witnesses testify as to what they observed during this period. It just might explain why the demons were present!!! But, I have never known demons to tell anyone to tell the truth...more likely they told her what to say to save her hyde!!!

This is a lady that deserves JUSTICE...and it WILL COME!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on April 04, 2011, 02:02:50 PM
Ok so, GJ.....How do you know they were implants?.........And what does the implants have to do with her speaking with demons?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: tinka on April 05, 2011, 04:05:10 AM
Hmm,
Outward appearances again!! Usually when someone has that much "vanity" for outward appearances the inside is usually hopelessly corrupt. They just can't get by "self"... It gets so bad that they're actions are most observing. Like for instance. Walk away from "kids time" and just tune your ears and listen. You get a high hyena laugh that is louder then anyone else and totally forced and everything she does is to get attention. and I don't think it is all for the children's attention. It is her inner abnormalities. Some that do this are schizophrenic. The demon story sort of concludes abnormalities along with the actions. she is a great demonstrator of self and goes along with mostly-- a wanted TV personality.  I really don't think she is good for the kids. as they learn and pick up boisterous actions.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Adam on April 05, 2011, 11:35:19 PM
What about Danny's hair implants? No one can deny he has them seeing that the whole "clan of brothers" is baled! So, if he would get them what would stop Brenda from making here breast larger?
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Snoopy on April 06, 2011, 12:33:33 AM
ADMIN HAT ON


I think we can discuss the issues at hand without involving panties and breast implants.  Thanks.


ADMIN HAT OFF
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on April 07, 2011, 11:47:00 AM
Thank you Snoopy!  That's all I'm sayin'!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on April 08, 2011, 09:22:29 AM
Back to the subject: I wonder if it is finally dawning on some minds that this whole problematic situation started with the false tales of Brenda? At least we have not seen a single objection since the beginning of this month.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Gailon Arthur Joy on April 09, 2011, 12:46:46 PM
Ok so, GJ.....How do you know they were implants?.........And what does the implants have to do with her speaking with demons?

She use to live here and has clearly grown a bit!!! Not to mention that her best friend confirmed they were "implanted" and that during her early days at 3ABN the marriage was "strained" to the degree she made comments regarding her intent to leave her husband.

Now, let's discuss an issue alive and well in adventism today??? Personal adornment and it's purpose...can you tell me why ANY woman wants to adorn themselves and most implicitly why one would want implants? Is it safe to say it is to put specific attention on those part so adorned? And is it to bring attention to oneself? And for what good purpose when the God Given endowment is "Sufficient"?

I will argue...yes argue...that one who does this with the very outgoing, teasing and vivacious personality that Brenda is known for is clearly looking for some serious attention and making herself more saleable.  And let the debate begin!!!

Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: amazinggrace on April 10, 2011, 06:16:45 AM
Why do women change their natural appearance?  Probably the same reason why men shave their God-given beards ( that distinguishes their faces from women's faces), wear useless ties (sometimes with tie clasps), use deodorant, mouthwash and men's cologne (changes their natural odor), color their graying hair, wear toupees ( or just grow out their thinning hair and then comb it sideways to cover their balding head), work out at the gym to build muscles that they really don't need, wear short hair (Jesus' hair is down to His shoulders), wear pants (a style derived from pagan barbarians), etc. 

Getting back to women, a "natural" woman would never shave her legs or under her arms, wear deodorant, perfume, or use mouthwash,  curl her straight hair or straighten her frizzy hair, color her gray hair, use lotions to soften her dry skin, powder her oily, shiny face, etc.

Of course, some Adventists think it's o.k. to color, curl, mousse, perm, straighten, whatever, the hair on top of the head, but don't dare color or curl the hair on the eyelids (eyelashes).  And the difference is?


Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on April 10, 2011, 06:20:34 AM
So Johann, is Linda demanding that Brenda apologize for and retract her accusation that Linda had gotten an abortion even before Arild came along? In other words, that Linda cheated on Danny multiple times?

There's a recording somewhere of Brenda making all sorts of claims like that.

I have a notion Linda will be dealing with those issues in a near future.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on April 10, 2011, 06:33:51 AM
This offer is still valid, but it might be too late later.

Quote from: Johann
from   Johann Thorvaldsson <reinarjoi@gmail.com>
to   brenda@brendawalsh.com
date   Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 9:04 PM
subject   Jesus loves you
mailed-by   gmail.com
   
hide details 9:04 PM (33 minutes ago)
   
Dear Brenda,

Yes, Jesus loves you very much. He must be coming back very soon. Just think of the earthquake in Japan - and Jesus said there would be such earthquakes as a sign He is coming soon. A different earth calamity might strike where we live any day.

It is time to get our things in order with God and people now. I know it will make you feel much better towards all of those lovely children you have in your programs when you can see them straight in their eyes when you tell them they should be honest.

If there is anything I can do to help you make up with Linda and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen for the deceptive reports of your visit to Norway, then just let me know. I will be there for you. Wouldn't that be better than facing a jury in court?

With Christian love,

Johann
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on April 10, 2011, 06:44:55 AM
There are indications the false "tale" by Brenda is what was initially used to "convince" the Board of Directors at 3ABN that Linda was guilty. Therefore the statement below could be rather inconvenient right now. Is that a reason to hide the facts?

- - -

Linda Shelton and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen can thank Cindy Conard for providing a site where this notarized account by Brenda Welsh on Cindy's website could be posted. This posting makes the seven year old tale still current. Dr. Abrahamsen and Linda are now getting a top notch go-getter of a lawyer to aid them in suing Brenda for all the miseries Brenda has caused them during these seven years by her fraudulent tales.

Other witnesses also noticed how Brenda made a number of improper and flirting advances at Dr. Abrahamsen during their stay in Norway, later projecting her own behavior on Linda. Perhaps Brenda felt she was far enough from home to behave like that and get away with it. Besides that she had been separated from her own husband for several months at some time prior to this.

Dr. Abrahamsen reports how he had to lock his own bedroom door to keep Brenda out of there. Brenda still tried to wake the Doctor up so she could get access to his bedroom.  Although Dr. Abrahamsen did not respond to Brenda's advances he was fully awake and knew what was going on. Later Brenda adjusted the tales of her own behavior as if Linda had been in his bedroom.

When Brenda discovered she could not have her way with Dr. Abrahamsen she seemed disappointed and therefore tried to give Linda the fault.

Seems like Brenda's thwarted account was just what Danny Shelton needed to get rid of Linda.

If Brenda wants to make up before she gets a notification from a lawyer she had better hurry up. That may save her a lot of difficulties that she had never envisioned. But Brenda does not need to make any contact unless she is willing to confess and also try to convince Cindy and others that their accusations have been based on false premises as far as she is concerned.

Justice may take time, but a day of reckoning comes to all of us. Brenda better take care of this before her final destiny is decided! If nothing else helps, Linda Shelton and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen are prepared to let the best lawyer available help her make that decision in front of a judge and/or jury, if that is the only way she will make things right.

And thank you for posting that notarized account of Brenda's tales. It is too late to delete it now.

- - -
Johann Thorvaldsson
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Snoopy on April 10, 2011, 06:52:28 AM
Why do women change their natural appearance?  Probably the same reason why men shave their God-given beards ( that distinguishes their faces from women's faces), wear useless ties (sometimes with tie clasps), use deodorant, mouthwash and men's cologne (changes their natural odor), color their graying hair, wear toupees ( or just grow out their thinning hair and then comb it sideways to cover their balding head), work out at the gym to build muscles that they really don't need, wear short hair (Jesus' hair is down to His shoulders), wear pants (a style derived from pagan barbarians), etc. 

Getting back to women, a "natural" woman would never shave her legs or under her arms, wear deodorant, perfume, or use mouthwash,  curl her straight hair or straighten her frizzy hair, color her gray hair, use lotions to soften her dry skin, powder her oily, shiny face, etc.

Of course, some Adventists think it's o.k. to color, curl, mousse, perm, straighten, whatever, the hair on top of the head, but don't dare color or curl the hair on the eyelids (eyelashes).  And the difference is?






 :goodpost:     :TY:
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on April 10, 2011, 04:54:06 PM
I second that Snoopy and Amazinggrace!  Come on people!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Johann on September 15, 2011, 11:36:31 PM
- - -

Linda Shelton and Dr. Arild Abrahamsen can thank Cindy Conard for providing a site where this notarized account by Brenda Welsh on Cindy's website could be posted. This posting makes the seven year old tale still current. Dr. Abrahamsen and Linda are now getting a top notch go-getter of a lawyer to aid them in suing Brenda for all the miseries Brenda has caused them during these seven years by her fraudulent tales.

Other witnesses also noticed how Brenda made a number of improper and flirting advances at Dr. Abrahamsen during their stay in Norway, later projecting her own behavior on Linda. Perhaps Brenda felt she was far enough from home to behave like that and get away with it. Besides that she had been separated from her own husband for several months at some time prior to this.

Dr. Abrahamsen reports how he had to lock his own bedroom door to keep Brenda out of there. Brenda still tried to wake the Doctor up so she could get access to his bedroom.  Although Dr. Abrahamsen did not respond to Brenda's advances he was fully awake and knew what was going on. Later Brenda adjusted the tales of her own behavior as if Linda had been in his bedroom.

When Brenda discovered she could not have her way with Dr. Abrahamsen she seemed disappointed and therefore tried to give Linda the fault.

Seems like Brenda's thwarted account was just what Danny Shelton needed to get rid of Linda.

- - -
Johann Thorvaldsson

This is the truth that has not changed.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Battle Creek on September 26, 2011, 12:02:01 AM
As I read “new” things about Brenda…I think back to Michigan Camp Meeting 2011 and the BIZARRE behavior I witnessed at the Sunday Book Sale.  (As you may or may not know they have an Old Fashioned book sale every year the first Sunday of Camp Meeting).  I came into the auditorium with the sale already in progress.    There Brenda was running around, literally running around in the isles, in her tight blue jeans and high heels, “other body parts” bouncing, trying to race the younger helpers, academy age and younger, in delivering books to people who were raising their hands to look and or buy the book being promoted from the platform.     Of course, she had the huge, notorious smile on her face all the while and a few times offered hugs to potential buyers.  On the platform,  her brother and the conference president (very conservative)—why didn’t they stop this?  It was completely inappropriate and made me and others feel very uncomfortable.  Later, she got up on the platform and promoted her new CD or DVD…

I HAD to leave the room. Couldn’t watch this BIZARRENESS anymore! 
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on September 26, 2011, 03:44:02 PM
Battle Creek, now I don't know if you are male or female., So I can't tell if your post is haterade(envy/jealousy) over someone who looks better in a pair of jeans that you, or someone who has a weakness for a woman who looks nice in a pair of jeans.  Either way, I am sure that you also prayed as you were leaving that God would continue to work with you so that the enemy is not able to distract you so easily from that vetical connection you should fell with Him when coming in to His House to praise and worship Him.  He is able!
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: Battle Creek on September 27, 2011, 11:42:40 PM
Battle Creek, now I don't know if you are male or female., So I can't tell if your post is haterade(envy/jealousy) over someone who looks better in a pair of jeans that you, or someone who has a weakness for a woman who looks nice in a pair of jeans.  Either way, I am sure that you also prayed as you were leaving that God would continue to work with you so that the enemy is not able to distract you so easily from that vetical connection you should fell with Him when coming in to His House to praise and worship Him.  He is able!

This was NOT a praise and worship service--it was a SUNDAY BOOK SALE. People listen to the presentation from the front and then raise their hands if they are interested in the book or CD etc.  A helper then takes the book to the person seated in the auditorium.  Not jealous, envious or distracted-- “distract you so easily” …  she was running up and down the isles in front and on both sides of where I was sitting and throughout the area filled with people.   Continuously.  Loudly.  The behavior was not appropriate. 
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: GRAT on September 29, 2011, 08:32:23 AM
Welcome Battle Creek.  princessdi's reply has been bothering me for a number of days now.  I was glad to see that you were able to defend yourself against it.  I am sure she did not mean to come across as "holier than thou" but that is the way it came across to me.  Having seen Brenda on Hope TV once (and a few times on 3ABN when I couldn't avoid it) I can just imagine the spectacle she made of herself.  Not sure she would be aware of it being inappropriate though.
Title: Re: Brenda's tales
Post by: princessdi on September 29, 2011, 10:57:46 PM
Thank you GRAT. I, indeed, did not mean to come off as "holier than thou".  You know that is not me.  My apologies for any offense to Battle Creek.