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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: christian on October 10, 2011, 12:48:15 AM
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Perhaps we have it all wrong, can't you at least consider the possibility that he is a just man? Linda committed adultery with another man and for that reason, Danny being a just and kind man, went to Guam to do the divorce as to not bring reproach on her here in the mainland States. I appreciate the fact that he did it out of the country where there could be no uproar. Then out of shear kindness and to keep himself pure and his mind clean he married another lady, who after some time because of the pressure of living with a Godly man was granted a divorce without fanfair. And could it be that his brother was caught in the same net being a kind and gentle man with the talent of music? And the good people at 3ABN working on restoring the breach and "Mending Broken People" building up the kingdom of God are under attack by the minions that are really jealous of them. Should not we remain silent and let them continue spreading the gospel in to all the world. I say (yea) lets look at the good and squash the apparent fictional stories of malice. Have we heard any of our leaders saying words of displeasure against these men of irrefutable character? Surely our leaders would not tolerate things if they were really as you say. So lets us join hands and say kumba ya and support these men as they stand on the wall day and night with shinning armor on protecting the gospel and repairing the breach.
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Perhaps we have it all wrong, can't you at least consider the possibility that he is a just man? Linda committed adultery with another man and for that reason, Danny being a just and kind man, went to Guam to do the divorce as to not bring reproach on her here in the mainland States. I appreciate the fact that he did it out of the country where there could be no uproar. Then out of shear kindness and to keep himself pure and his mind clean he married another lady, who after some time because of the pressure of living with a Godly man was granted a divorce without fanfair. And could it be that his brother was caught in the same net being a kind and gentle man with the talent of music? And the good people at 3ABN working on restoring the breach and "Mending Broken People" building up the kingdom of God are under attack by the minions that are really jealous of them. Should not we remain silent and let them continue spreading the gospel in to all the world. I say (yea) lets look at the good and squash the apparent fictional stories of malice. Have we heard any of our leaders saying words of displeasure against these men of irrefutable character? Surely our leaders would not tolerate things if they were really as you say. So lets us join hands and say kumba ya and support these men as they stand on the wall day and night with shinning armor on protecting the gospel and repairing the breach.
Re: Wedding Bells In the AirThe darker the berrie the sweeter the juice, that is what I have been told LOL. Sometimes humor is the best way to deal with people who obviously have certain bents that even they don't know they have.
Which is this?
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Perhaps we have it all wrong, can't you at least consider the possibility that he is a just man? Linda committed adultery with another man and for that reason, Danny being a just and kind man, went to Guam to do the divorce as to not bring reproach on her here in the mainland States. I appreciate the fact that he did it out of the country where there could be no uproar. Then out of shear kindness and to keep himself pure and his mind clean he married another lady, who after some time because of the pressure of living with a Godly man was granted a divorce without fanfair. And could it be that his brother was caught in the same net being a kind and gentle man with the talent of music? And the good people at 3ABN working on restoring the breach and "Mending Broken People" building up the kingdom of God are under attack by the minions that are really jealous of them. Should not we remain silent and let them continue spreading the gospel in to all the world. I say (yea) lets look at the good and squash the apparent fictional stories of malice. Have we heard any of our leaders saying words of displeasure against these men of irrefutable character? Surely our leaders would not tolerate things if they were really as you say. So lets us join hands and say kumba ya and support these men as they stand on the wall day and night with shinning armor on protecting the gospel and repairing the breach.
:ROFL: Wasn't too sure til I got to the joining hands and singing Kumba ya or however it is spelled!!
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Even if we try and spin it in the realm of possibility it seems totally implausible. But what is most disturbing to me is not the failings of the Shelton's but the failings of the Adventist Church. The fact that the church will not call him out and ask him to step down speaks volumes. The real battle here,with the exception of the molestation charges and those involved, is that those here are really shadow boxing with the Adventist Church. No matter how much we want to deny it 3ABN and the Adventist Church are joined at the hip, they are from the same cloth. Silently in the room is the 300 pound Gorilla that is ruling the ring. The real problem is that those on the side of justice are at the same time bound to uphold the church, for to be against the church is reported to be against God. Thus the dilemma is that they are suing 3ABN and Danny Shelton when the true culprits are left untouched. Why fool yourself, the Adventist church is the life blood of 3ABN with an array of church officials appearing on its programing and supporting its programs. I see no real good that can come from this but a continued and unrealistic fight with 3ABN when it is not them that are the main problem. Those at 3Abn are only doing what they are being allowed to do by those in the Adventist Church. They (Adventist church) must be laughing at this site and the ones on it because they with impunity continue their support in the face of obvious misdeeds, while at the same time understand they control the minions that are fighting 3ABn. It is more than anything a testament to the influence they wield and the inability of anyone except them to define what is a grievous sin or what will be pushed under the rug. For years I have been on this site looking at the post and it just continues on and on with no real end in site. Endless words and money spent trying to correct an evil with no real power to correct it because they are bound to the entity supporting it. ------It is obvious to the most people that Danny and his brother have done wrong and for that they will have to answer to God for one day. I have stated this before that even if Linda had done some of what they say they went about it totally wrong. So what is the conclusion? Until the 300 pound Gorilla is confronted it will keep on until Jesus comes and unfortunately those involved will find themselves wasting time and energy for no good reason.
Perhaps we have it all wrong, can't you at least consider the possibility that he is a just man? Linda committed adultery with another man and for that reason, Danny being a just and kind man, went to Guam to do the divorce as to not bring reproach on her here in the mainland States. I appreciate the fact that he did it out of the country where there could be no uproar. Then out of shear kindness and to keep himself pure and his mind clean he married another lady, who after some time because of the pressure of living with a Godly man was granted a divorce without fanfair. And could it be that his brother was caught in the same net being a kind and gentle man with the talent of music? And the good people at 3ABN working on restoring the breach and "Mending Broken People" building up the kingdom of God are under attack by the minions that are really jealous of them. Should not we remain silent and let them continue spreading the gospel in to all the world. I say (yea) lets look at the good and squash the apparent fictional stories of malice. Have we heard any of our leaders saying words of displeasure against these men of irrefutable character? Surely our leaders would not tolerate things if they were really as you say. So lets us join hands and say kumba ya and support these men as they stand on the wall day and night with shinning armor on protecting the gospel and repairing the breach.
:ROFL: Wasn't too sure til I got to the joining hands and singing Kumba ya or however it is spelled!!
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Christian, it does seem now and then that we are wasting our time, and for the reasons you delineated.
The Seventh-day Adventist church leaders are more supportive of 3ABN now than a few years back when some of the allegations were newer and being more widely circulated.
Since they are quiet about the problem, conservative Adventists in the pews either have not heard of the issues or assume that they have all been resolved with time, and they like the more conservative message of 3ABN.
The North American church leaders seem as unable to deal with the conservative entity of 3ABN as they are the liberal leanings of La Sierra University.
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christian,
I find your tactics to attempt to dissuade others concerning the character of Danny Shelton and his accountability for his actions ridiculous. First you paint a fanciful portrait of Danny as the long suffering humble Christian and Linda Shelton as the wicked adulteress. Fact: Linda did not commit adultery. She was raised as a Christian and has a strong conviction concerning her personal expressions of sexuality being confined to the marriage bed. Unfortunately, the same can not be said about Danny.
Then out of shear kindness and to keep himself pure and his mind clean he married another lady, who after some time because of the pressure of living with a Godly man was granted a divorce without fanfair.”
Sorry, but Danny already “knew” his second wife long before she married him. The pressure of living with a Godly man? More of a problem of living with an unethical man nearly twice her age. And why, after such a short marriage, doe he have visitation rights with only the younger of her two daughters and no interest in the other child?
What about Tommy? A kind, gentle man of music who has been maligned by so many? A reality check please, the man has already publically admitted to molesting Alex. And it is common knowledge in the Shelton clan concerning the sins committed by both brothers.
After lifting up both Dan and Tommy as humble saints who have been misrepresented, you quickly divert the spotlight away from them and place it on 3ABN as an organization and the workers who are faithfully spreading the Gospel throughout the world.
Interestingly, at the end of your first post in this thread, you begin to shift the accountability away from the perpetrators and the sin they have been accused of committing and shifting it to the leadership of the SDA church. You then portray Danny and Tommy as modern day watchers on the wall and urge all to support their noble efforts:
“...as they stand on the wall day and night with shinning armor on protecting the gospel and repairing the breach.”
In your second post your efforts to remove all accountability from Danny and Tommy and shift responsibility for their actions upon the leadership of the SDA church becomes quite obvious. You no longer portray them in shining armor, but as humble Christian with human frailties. Sinners like ourselves, but shifting the greater responsibility for Danny’s sins away from the sinner and placing it on the church. Is the church now showing greater support for 3ABN and the gospel message it is broadcasting or Danny Shelton personally? Personally, I have never been against the ministry of 3ABN, but against the actions of those who have stolen from the coffers of God, molested the innocent and have maligned the reputations of their victims through lies, innuendo, and intimidation.
You continue to suggest that those apposing the actions of Danny Shelton should turn their energy for justice and accountability from him and spend it in attempting to bring down the SDA Church as an organization. Interesting... You paint the church as a bully who derives pleasure from the suffering of it members. You then continue by admitting that in fact Danny and Tommy are put poor sinners that are allowed to continue their actions by the support of the SDA church. And Linda? Well, now you say that they are justified in the murdering of her reputation even if only a small percentage of what they claimed about her is true, but that perhaps their method was incorrect.
The 300 pound Gorilla in the room is not the SDA church, it is those who believe at any cost the end justifies the means. Their believe that Dan and Tommy should not be personally held responsible for their actions because of the good that has been accomplished through the ministries broadcasting the Gospel through 3ABN, reason contrary to the principles of the Bible. God holds each one of us personally responsible for our sins. He calls us to repentance. Public sin should be publically confessed, restitution should be made to the victims and the sinner should go forth and sin no more. Is it a waste of time and effort to pursue justice? No. Should we take the advice of “christian” and shift the weight of Dan’s and Tommy’s sins upon the SDA church? No. It is time for Danny and Tommy to become accountable for their actions and reap the harvest of the sin they have sown. Yes. Who are the watchers on the wall? Is it those who commit the crime and lie in order to escape accountability for their actions or those who continue to cry out for justice and vindication for the victims?
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The 300 pound Gorilla in the room is not the SDA church, it is those who believe at any cost the end justifies the means. Their believe that Dan and Tommy should not be personally held responsible for their actions because of the good that has been accomplished through the ministries broadcasting the Gospel through 3ABN
Unfortunately, those of us who live and function in the religious arena closer geographically to the North American church leadership have realized that the ones enabling the 3ABN ministry with its personal problems to continue unopposed are some of the church leaders.
Recognizing this is not the same as wanting to bring down the Seventh-day Adventist church.
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Hello, Sister
It has been a while since we talked :wave: thanks for your eloquent dismantling and interpretation of what I said and what I meant. Now might I interpret what I have said and what I actually mean? I never meant to imply that Linda did anything wrong, however, I do think there might have been some on the board etc... that may have been fooled into believing that perhaps some of what Danny said had merit. I was simply talking to them about the way the perceived problem was handled. AND THE FIRST POST WAS MEANT IN SARCASM AS TO SHOW THE ABSOLUTE ABSURBERTY OF THE LIES PUT OUT. (CAPS USED FOR EMPHASIS ONLY). Now I believe that one would have to be a fool to not understand that the Adventist Church is responsible to a great degree for proping Danny Shelton up. And the reason the Church censers people and kicks them out of the church is because they understand that public sins bring reproach on the church and our Lord. I personally know of not a few people that have been censored and kicked out of the church for adultery and getting pregnant and the like. Now how will you justify the blatant disregard for the going on at 3ABN in the light of that? And I was at no point trying to lessen the sin of those involved rather I was trying to point out the absolute fact that the one (ADVENTIST CHURCH) absolutely is not only responsible but duty bound to follow the word of God. Those on this site and their struggles would not even have to be if the church had done its duty. You like to many are unwilling to call a spade a spade and for that reason the church and its leaders like the Jews of old are allowed to propagate the most grievous sins in the name of God. This is but a microism of the larger problem of the church and in the end even the prophet Ellen G. White would say that God will have to spew them out. What about Eli and others allowing sin to remain? Did not the entire Jewish people end up paying for the sin? And what about the many, many examples in the bible where sin was allowed to go unchallenged that caused the death of many. It was with that on my mind that I wrote the foregone posts. But you have come now attacking me for speaking the truth. Rather answer this simple question for me PLEASE. Do you think that if the church knows all that you have stated in the post you wrote me that it is right for the church to be silent? Read your own post you say Linda is innocent and you imply that Danny has a son by his previous wife before they were married and that his brother is a pedophile. But in the same breath you are on here trying to correct a wrong when those with the power to correct it stay silent? Tell me how the church is not responsible for letting this masquerade go on, please tell me how they are not responsible? Why does Gallion and many others have to maintain a site when the church could handle the problem? I would bet that if the church did what it was suppose to that those on this site would go quiet and be happy about it. Yes they are (church leaders) absolutely the 300 pound ring masters. And if it was not a matter of money I believe they would have long since taken care of this problem.
christian,
I find your tactics to attempt to dissuade others concerning the character of Danny Shelton and his accountability for his actions ridiculous. First you paint a fanciful portrait of Danny as the long suffering humble Christian and Linda Shelton as the wicked adulteress. Fact: Linda did not commit adultery. She was raised as a Christian and has a strong conviction concerning her personal expressions of sexuality being confined to the marriage bed. Unfortunately, the same can not be said about Danny.
Then out of shear kindness and to keep himself pure and his mind clean he married another lady, who after some time because of the pressure of living with a Godly man was granted a divorce without fanfair.”
Sorry, but Danny already “knew” his second wife long before she married him. The pressure of living with a Godly man? More of a problem of living with an unethical man nearly twice her age. And why, after such a short marriage, doe he have visitation rights with only the younger of her two daughters and no interest in the other child?
What about Tommy? A kind, gentle man of music who has been maligned by so many? A reality check please, the man has already publically admitted to molesting Alex. And it is common knowledge in the Shelton clan concerning the sins committed by both brothers.
After lifting up both Dan and Tommy as humble saints who have been misrepresented, you quickly divert the spotlight away from them and place it on 3ABN as an organization and the workers who are faithfully spreading the Gospel throughout the world.
Interestingly, at the end of your first post in this thread, you begin to shift the accountability away from the perpetrators and the sin they have been accused of committing and shifting it to the leadership of the SDA church. You then portray Danny and Tommy as modern day watchers on the wall and urge all to support their noble efforts:
“...as they stand on the wall day and night with shinning armor on protecting the gospel and repairing the breach.”
In your second post your efforts to remove all accountability from Danny and Tommy and shift responsibility for their actions upon the leadership of the SDA church becomes quite obvious. You no longer portray them in shining armor, but as humble Christian with human frailties. Sinners like ourselves, but shifting the greater responsibility for Danny’s sins away from the sinner and placing it on the church. Is the church now showing greater support for 3ABN and the gospel message it is broadcasting or Danny Shelton personally? Personally, I have never been against the ministry of 3ABN, but against the actions of those who have stolen from the coffers of God, molested the innocent and have maligned the reputations of their victims through lies, innuendo, and intimidation.
You continue to suggest that those apposing the actions of Danny Shelton should turn their energy for justice and accountability from him and spend it in attempting to bring down the SDA Church as an organization. Interesting... You paint the church as a bully who derives pleasure from the suffering of it members. You then continue by admitting that in fact Danny and Tommy are put poor sinners that are allowed to continue their actions by the support of the SDA church. And Linda? Well, now you say that they are justified in the murdering of her reputation even if only a small percentage of what they claimed about her is true, but that perhaps their method was incorrect.
The 300 pound Gorilla in the room is not the SDA church, it is those who believe at any cost the end justifies the means. Their believe that Dan and Tommy should not be personally held responsible for their actions because of the good that has been accomplished through the ministries broadcasting the Gospel through 3ABN, reason contrary to the principles of the Bible. God holds each one of us personally responsible for our sins. He calls us to repentance. Public sin should be publically confessed, restitution should be made to the victims and the sinner should go forth and sin no more. Is it a waste of time and effort to pursue justice? No. Should we take the advice of “christian” and shift the weight of Dan’s and Tommy’s sins upon the SDA church? No. It is time for Danny and Tommy to become accountable for their actions and reap the harvest of the sin they have sown. Yes. Who are the watchers on the wall? Is it those who commit the crime and lie in order to escape accountability for their actions or those who continue to cry out for justice and vindication for the victims?
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Perhaps we have it all wrong, can't you at least consider the possibility that he is a just man? Linda committed adultery with another man and for that reason, Danny being a just and kind man, went to Guam to do the divorce as to not bring reproach on her here in the mainland States. I appreciate the fact that he did it out of the country where there could be no uproar. Then out of shear kindness and to keep himself pure and his mind clean he married another lady, who after some time because of the pressure of living with a Godly man was granted a divorce without fanfair. And could it be that his brother was caught in the same net being a kind and gentle man with the talent of music? And the good people at 3ABN working on restoring the breach and "Mending Broken People" building up the kingdom of God are under attack by the minions that are really jealous of them. Should not we remain silent and let them continue spreading the gospel in to all the world. I say (yea) lets look at the good and squash the apparent fictional stories of malice. Have we heard any of our leaders saying words of displeasure against these men of irrefutable character? Surely our leaders would not tolerate things if they were really as you say. So lets us join hands and say kumba ya and support these men as they stand on the wall day and night with shinning armor on protecting the gospel and repairing the breach.
People are different!
I have lived in areas where most people would read this post as the author intended: As sarcasm, and they might reply to it as such.
Then I have also lived in regions where the majority of the population are so dead serious that they would never detect any humor nor sarcasm in it. In some areas of the world there might only be a mountain that separates the opinions and thinking of the people. They might even speak the same language, and yet their way of thinking is so different.
Then there are some people who never realize there is such a distinction in human expression and thought. Some of those are very quick to judge what others are saying according to their own pattern of thought. They might also be quick to brand others as too conservative or liberal because their ways of expressing things do not match their own.
Do we realize what happened at the tower of Babel?
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Christian, you know I love you! Thank you for that Kumbaya moment! :ROFL:
Ok so the other point is correct also. At our convocation last weekend who was there but Dr. Yvonne Lewis promoting the new 3ABN urban channel. I did not get a chance to speak with her, though. I can't remember the name of the new channel. She was encouraging everyone to call their cable company to request the channel, and I had no intentions on calling, so the name didn't stick.
I remember when they were first planning this channel that Whintley Phipps was involved. Is he still working with them on this project. Just curious as he wasn't mentioned.
I said allt hat to say that you are right int hat GC acts as if nothing is wrong, as Dr. Graham(President of PUC) and Pastor Pedersen(President of NCC) were both sitting right ther grinnin' and nodding in approval.
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I believe that Whintley Phipps is out and Dr. Yvonne Lewis is in. "SHE" works better that "HE" in the relationship that goes with that position.
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Excuse me let me say that again. I believe that Whintley Phipps is out and Dr. Yvonne Lewis is in. "She" works better THAN "He" in the relationship that goes with that position.
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I remember when they were first planning this channel that Whintley Phipps was involved. Is he still working with them on this project. Just curious as he wasn't mentioned.
How much money was it reported that Wintley got for that project? Did he actually get the money? If so, how was it used? If the project never happened, did he give the money back?
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That is a good question.
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Uh, Poly you still tryna say that Dr. Lewis is courtin' Danny? i sincerely hope not. i encourage all of my brothers and sisters who feel the need to run for the border, to make it worth the run............I am believing in God that she is onyl working with hiim on a worth-while evangelistic effort.
Excuse me let me say that again. I believe that Whintley Phipps is out and Dr. Yvonne Lewis is in. "She" works better THAN "He" in the relationship that goes with that position.
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Kumbuyyah Moment??? Delusion of grandeur fits much better here...Christian, do your "Christian Duty" and get out there and interview the hundreds we have interviewed, both pre-litigation and post litigation.
If you come away with a summation that Danny Lee Shelton is a Servant of God, then you must be the Anti-Christ!!! The man's entire life demonstrates his ability to create, perpetuates and commit evil at almost every turn, before 3ABN, in the development of 3ABN, in the management of 3ABN and now in the "consulting" for 3ABN.
Danny's perpetual and never ending effort to cover up evil makes Nixon look like a saint and Nixon's men as Angels of Hope!!!
Get your head out of the clouds and observe the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and then let's compare interview and historical documentation notes, or just ask permission to look at all those "confidential" documents!!! Did you think they marked documents confidential because of "National Security" concerns???
Naive is simply not a strong enough phrase!!! Delusional is the only term that truly fits!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Naive is simply not a strong enough phrase!!! Delusional is the only term that truly fits!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Sarcasm is the term that fits.
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Sarcasm is the term that fits.
Not too deluded!
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And the good people at 3ABN working on restoring the breach and "Mending Broken People" building up the kingdom of God are under attack by the minions that are really jealous of them.
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Have we heard any of our leaders saying words of displeasure against these men of irrefutable character? Surely our leaders would not tolerate things if they were really as you say.
Yes, wouldn't our leaders say something if there were anything wrong?
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GJ! Bless your heart! The OP is only a bit of sarcasm from Christian, my Friend........LOL!!!
Kumbuyyah Moment??? Delusion of grandeur fits much better here...Christian, do your "Christian Duty" and get out there and interview the hundreds we have interviewed, both pre-litigation and post litigation.
If you come away with a summation that Danny Lee Shelton is a Servant of God, then you must be the Anti-Christ!!! The man's entire life demonstrates his ability to create, perpetuates and commit evil at almost every turn, before 3ABN, in the development of 3ABN, in the management of 3ABN and now in the "consulting" for 3ABN.
Danny's perpetual and never ending effort to cover up evil makes Nixon look like a saint and Nixon's men as Angels of Hope!!!
Get your head out of the clouds and observe the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and then let's compare interview and historical documentation notes, or just ask permission to look at all those "confidential" documents!!! Did you think they marked documents confidential because of "National Security" concerns???
Naive is simply not a strong enough phrase!!! Delusional is the only term that truly fits!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Danny Shelton is sick with pride, the mother of all sins. GJ, True Leaders produce Leaders not followers. Danny has a bunch of followers, we have known others who were standing up in the name of Jesus that had followers.
They all drank the sweet colored water, or in other cases, perished at the hands of the Government because they stocked up guns and followed the leader to their death. Wonder if the 3ABN compound has a surplus of firearms? They get donations from tea cups to gold rings, why not firearms?
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Danny Shelton is sick with pride, the mother of all sins. GJ, True Leaders produce Leaders not followers. Danny has a bunch of followers, we have known others who were standing up in the name of Jesus that had followers.
They all drank the sweet colored water, or in other cases, perished at the hands of the Government because they stocked up guns and followed the leader to their death. Wonder if the 3ABN compound has a surplus of firearms? They get donations from tea cups to gold rings, why not firearms?
What a pity. What can be done to save 3ABN under such circumstances?
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I took the fight right to where the problem lies, i crushed it, beat it, snapped it, ground it, and yet people still don't get it. Jesus would call the leaders a den of thieves, hypocrites, fools. The amount of good that they did was so negligible to the amount of evil that was caused in the final analysis. In the end the Son of God would be delivered to be killed by the very ones with the responsibility of perserving his life. Though they were preaching the gospel on land and sea, the prophet would say God came at the darkest hour of mans existence. The darkness is getting blacker than midnight now with accusations of theift and much more all in the name of Adventism. Why have not the leaders come out and supported Linda and apologized? Because they like the leaders of old see their position and status as much more important. Better that one man should perish than an entire nation should be lost. They have the truth but the truth does not have them. I am not astonished by Danny a man going through mid life crisis or his brother and the terrible act of petophilia. What i am most troubled by and astonish is with the church and its leaders turning a blind eye thinking tht God needs a radio and television station at any cost to get the message out. Again, the lady caught in adultry is kicked out of the church, and the poor man caught in sin or not paying tithe is not worthy to hold position in the church. But have a little money and position and the sky is the limit on the amount of havoch that one can and will do all in the name of God. I KNOW WHAT I SAY IS GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY BUT THE BATTLE IS NOT REALLY WITH DANNY AND HIS BROTHER BUT MORE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CONTINUE TO HAVE A BLIND EYE TO THE SINS THAT ARE BEING DONE. JOHANN, GALLION, AND MANY OTHERS ARE REALLY FIGHTING WITH THE CHURCH MORE THAN ANYTHING.
Have we heard any of our leaders saying words of displeasure against these men of irrefutable character? Surely our leaders would not tolerate things if they were really as you say.
Yes, wouldn't our leaders say something if there were anything wrong?
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I KNOW WHAT I SAY IS GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE ANGRY BUT THE BATTLE IS NOT REALLY WITH DANNY AND HIS BROTHER BUT MORE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO CONTINUE TO HAVE A BLIND EYE TO THE SINS THAT ARE BEING DONE.
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The first recorded use of the phrase in the form we normally use it today is in More letters from Martha Wilmot: impressions of Vienna, 1819-1829. These were reprinted in 1935 and this quotation is recorded as being sent by Ms. Wilmot in 1823:
"turn a blind eye and a deaf ear every now and then, and we get on marvellously well."
The manner of use of the phrase in that quotation suggests that it was well understood at the time. ~ The Phrase Finder
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Danny Shelton is sick with pride, the mother of all sins. GJ, True Leaders produce Leaders not followers. Danny has a bunch of followers, we have known others who were standing up in the name of Jesus that had followers.
They all drank the sweet colored water, or in other cases, perished at the hands of the Government because they stocked up guns and followed the leader to their death. Wonder if the 3ABN compound has a surplus of firearms? They get donations from tea cups to gold rings, why not firearms?
Good grief, what are you suggesting? And if they did get firearms why have they not shown up for sale??? And if they have not been sold, where did they end up?...personal collections? pointed at other peoples heads? Oh, where did they ever go, where did they ever go???
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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http://www.lifewithdogs.tv/2011/07/what-a-dog-does-when-its-cold/
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It is a sad story if a "Christian" Ministry needs loaded weapons to impress people they are telling the truth. And who would believe such things exist there?
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Who would suggest or think, what has gone on at 3ABN for ages would have ever gone on?
There are other people who sell the donated items for them, other than Tammy and Bruce Chance.
I heard that Tammy is getting ready to start hosting a program, content Dealing with Problems and Sickness.....maybe she will address the problems that are first hand in her family. Could be she will turn a Blind Eye to those.
You know it amazes me that all these post are under Danny Shelton Servant of God. Maybe it could be more appropriately put because maybe its his claim but not his character. He has the works, repeats the words but not the character. I have read that works will not save us, there are many that will say in that great day, Lord, Lord haven't I cast out demons and had many works in your name. It is written that the Lord said "I Never Knew You."
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Danny Shelton is sick with pride, the mother of all sins. GJ, True Leaders produce Leaders not followers. Danny has a bunch of followers, we have known others who were standing up in the name of Jesus that had followers.
They all drank the sweet colored water, or in other cases, perished at the hands of the Government because they stocked up guns and followed the leader to their death. Wonder if the 3ABN compound has a surplus of firearms? They get donations from tea cups to gold rings, why not firearms?
Good grief, what are you suggesting? And if they did get firearms why have they not shown up for sale??? And if they have not been sold, where did they end up?...personal collections? pointed at other peoples heads? Oh, where did they ever go, where did they ever go???
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
It is a sad story if a "Christian" Ministry needs loaded weapons to impress people they are telling the truth. And who would believe such things exist there?
These questions are leaving "truth" in a state of frustration.
1. He does not understand the question, so he makes his own.
2. Even though I had not mentioned Danny Shelton "Truth" indicates this is Danny's problem. Doesn't he have enough problems of his own to bring his name into this one too?
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"Truth" is some in the clan, claim the right to "Bear Arms" then the others want to "Turn a Blind Eye".
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Folks I have been venting but not being straight forward.
Danny is my brother-in-law and we have had numerous problems for years. This man has degraded me, judged me and condemned me over and over. He has terminated my participation in mission trips that pertained to preaching the gospel, because of his own preconceived ideas. He has tried to manipulate and disturb my marriage to his brother so many times it would make ones head spin, it does mine. Marriage is NOT a contract based on good behaviour, marriage is a covenant and that is binding.
My brother in law recently aimed a loaded gun at me and my husband with his finger on the trigger, yelling he knows the law.
We wrote out a written statement because the police that came "Turned a Blind Eye" and so maybe he does know the law....he never got into any trouble. Then when the order of Protection came about because, yes, i was frightened there was pressure from Danny to make this all go away. 3ABN would look bad and so on and so forth. My husband assured me that my brother in law would not be back around to hurt me and i drop the Order of Protection. It was a terrible thing for Bruce to loose his FOID card. All the time these phone calls were coming about this situation from Danny it was told to me that "people will talk." OK, that is true but when they talk about others that is fine. They can call conference session at 3ABN to talk about people.... Jim, Mollie, Bryan Hamilton but OH my, don't talk about them. Well sorry, people will talk, and I am talking just like they all do. Trouble is i am bad for talking in their eyes because apparently they feel above others and my bible tells me that we are all equal. So get over it and know that not everyone is obedient just like you. Stop with the phone calls to my husband about my post here. You don't have to spy it out or spy on me.
Yours truly
Teresa Shelton or as you Danny have put it when i try to be nice the Apostle Paul.
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Folks I have been venting but not being straight forward.
Danny is my brother-in-law and we have had numerous problems for years. This man has degraded me, judged me and condemned me over and over. He has terminated my participation in mission trips that pertained to preaching the gospel, because of his own preconceived ideas. He has tried to manipulate and disturb my marriage to his brother so many times it would make ones head spin, it does mine. Marriage is NOT a contract based on good behaviour, marriage is a covenant and that is binding.
My brother in law recently aimed a loaded gun at me and my husband with his finger on the trigger, yelling he knows the law.
We wrote out a written statement because the police that came "Turned a Blind Eye" and so maybe he does know the law....he never got into any trouble. Then when the order of Protection came about because, yes, i was frightened there was pressure from Danny to make this all go away. 3ABN would look bad and so on and so forth. My husband assured me that my brother in law would not be back around to hurt me and i drop the Order of Protection. It was a terrible thing for Bruce to loose his FOID card. All the time these phone calls were coming about this situation from Danny it was told to me that "people will talk." OK, that is true but when they talk about others that is fine. They can call conference session at 3ABN to talk about people.... Jim, Mollie, Bryan Hamilton but OH my, don't talk about them. Well sorry, people will talk, and I am talking just like they all do. Trouble is i am bad for talking in their eyes because apparently they feel above others and my bible tells me that we are all equal. So get over it and know that not everyone is obedient just like you. Stop with the phone calls to my husband about my post here. You don't have to spy it out or spy on me.
Yours truly
Teresa Shelton or as you Danny have put it when i try to be nice the Apostle Paul.
Wow. That's quite a story, Teresa. Maybe you should re-instate the Order of Protection!! You will be in my prayers.
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Thank you for being honest, Teresa. We need more like you.
Blessings to you!
Johann
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So Teresa Shelton has stated that she sought a protective order against her brother-in-law. Is she telling the truth?
http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL028015J&ocl=IL028015J,2011OP373,IL028015JL2011OP373D1 (http://www.judici.com/courts/cases/case_information.jsp?court=IL028015J&ocl=IL028015J,2011OP373,IL028015JL2011OP373D1)
It looks like there are some Sheltons that do tell the truth.
What a mess!
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I couldn't help but respond when I heard about this. Kudos to you, Teresa. Thank you for being courageous enough to share this. You have done the right thing. :TY:
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I couldn't help but respond when I heard about this. Kudos to you, Teresa. Thank you for being courageous enough to share this. You have done the right thing. :TY:
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Duane!!! I've been missing you!!
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Thank you, Snoopy. :)
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Good to see you again, Duane.
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It will be interesting to see how the other site responds to this! Teresa, be prepared to face some of the most unchristian, untruthful, and down right degrading attacks coming at you that will make you puke.
Takes courage to put out a statement like that. Danny Shelton will stop at nothing to make himself appear the victim when in reality he is the hethen.
Your statemment here today goes to show that there is hope, and common people within the clan, such as yourself, who can tell when black is black and when white is white.
I myself, have faced other attacks from DS and his followers. Including down right lies and smear tactics using my mother as their weapon. One such person who goes by the name SAM has clearly constituted and demonstrated the viciousness that lies within DS and what can occur if you cross him....However, I have not had a gun pointed at me.....but.....If I was a betting person I would assume I am on the top of DS's list. :-)
Thank you fo your courage and ma God Bless!
Sincerely,
Alex L. Walker
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Wow! Just to clarify, so it was Bruce Chance who pointed a loaded gun at you?
Folks I have been venting but not being straight forward.
Danny is my brother-in-law and we have had numerous problems for years. This man has degraded me, judged me and condemned me over and over. He has terminated my participation in mission trips that pertained to preaching the gospel, because of his own preconceived ideas. He has tried to manipulate and disturb my marriage to his brother so many times it would make ones head spin, it does mine. Marriage is NOT a contract based on good behaviour, marriage is a covenant and that is binding.
My brother in law recently aimed a loaded gun at me and my husband with his finger on the trigger, yelling he knows the law.
We wrote out a written statement because the police that came "Turned a Blind Eye" and so maybe he does know the law....he never got into any trouble. Then when the order of Protection came about because, yes, i was frightened there was pressure from Danny to make this all go away. 3ABN would look bad and so on and so forth. My husband assured me that my brother in law would not be back around to hurt me and i drop the Order of Protection. It was a terrible thing for Bruce to loose his FOID card. All the time these phone calls were coming about this situation from Danny it was told to me that "people will talk." OK, that is true but when they talk about others that is fine. They can call conference session at 3ABN to talk about people.... Jim, Mollie, Bryan Hamilton but OH my, don't talk about them. Well sorry, people will talk, and I am talking just like they all do. Trouble is i am bad for talking in their eyes because apparently they feel above others and my bible tells me that we are all equal. So get over it and know that not everyone is obedient just like you. Stop with the phone calls to my husband about my post here. You don't have to spy it out or spy on me.
Yours truly
Teresa Shelton or as you Danny have put it when i try to be nice the Apostle Paul.
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And yes, it would be a bitter thing for Bruce to lose his FOID.
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And yes, it would be a bitter thing for Bruce to lose his FOID.
For those of you, like me, who had no idea what FOID is:
FOID is an acronym for Firearm Owners Identification. To legally possess or purchase firearms or ammunition, residents of the state of Illinois are required to have a FOID card. (The term is alternatively pronounced "a foid card" or "an F.O.I.D. card".) The law has been in effect since 1968.
The FOID card is issued by the Illinois State Police, who first perform a check of the applicant on the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), an electronic database maintained by the FBI. Grounds for disqualification include a conviction for a felony or for an act of domestic violence, a conviction for assault or battery within the last five years, or being the subject of an order of protection. The police also check an Illinois Department of Human Services database, to disqualify any applicant who has been adjudicated as a mental defective, or who has been a patient of a mental institution within the last five years. Mental health professionals are required to inform state authorities about patients who display violent, suicidal or threatening behavior, for inclusion in the Human Services database. The police may also check other sources of information. There are additional requirements for applicants under the age of 21.
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Teresa, Truth emphatically disputes your statement. So Ronnie says it happened and Bruce says it didn't?
Re: Stop the insanity!
by Truth » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:26 pm UTC
To those who read here: I will say this only once: Bruce Chance did NOT point a gun at any human being. Never has and never will. He is being falsely accused. And those charges have been dropped.
Truth
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Sooo, I am sitting here thinking.......let me go to AT and see what I have been missing...and Wow!!! Ok so.......
Kudos and my prayers to you, Teresa. Over the years ,from what i see the Sheltons believe they are some kind of SDA mob of something.....never understood why so many were so scared to cross them....even their enemies. At any rate they have been given quite a bit of power by those who fear them, and they don't hesitate in weidling it.
Duane!!!! i have missed you! I trust that God is still keeping you and yours, as i know He is failthful!
Sister! Thank you! Because I didn't know either.
And one side question. i haven't seen Tinka posting.....is she ok? Does anyone know? i miss her also.
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Happy to see you here again, Duane!
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Teresa, Truth emphatically disputes your statement. So Ronnie says it happened and Bruce says it didn't?
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Or is it Danny who says it never happened? Is that the final word?
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Teresa, Truth emphatically disputes your statement. So Ronnie says it happened and Bruce says it didn't?
Re: Stop the insanity!
by Truth » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:26 pm UTC
To those who read here: I will say this only once: Bruce Chance did NOT point a gun at any human being. Never has and never will. He is being falsely accused. And those charges have been dropped.
Truth
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Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:09 pm UTC
Well there you have it!!! Truth said it IS NOT SO...so it must not be!!!!
Teresa is a liar.
I am a liar.
Everyone is a liar according to Truth!!!
Hey Truth you old wind bag!!!! Maybe you should come up with a better Screen name that fits!!!!
Plum sick.
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Oh, and Stanny boy!!!!! You have SOME NERVE.....to make the comment you did about Johann. You couldn't even face YOUR OWN music over on this site! You have your nose so far stuck up Danny's rear it's gross.
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Was "Truth" there, and thus an eye witness? Or is Truth just passing on hearsay?
If the latter, I would think Truth sounds like that lady up in the northwest who refuses to say that a minor being consenting makes no difference. She would often make emphatic assertions like Truth did, without any personal knowledge.
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I couldn't help but respond when I heard about this. Kudos to you, Teresa. Thank you for being courageous enough to share this. You have done the right thing. :TY:
Duane, I address this to you because, though we have had our differences, you have stepped in on the side of fairness when these people and this place have gotten out of control with the accusations aimed at all the sheltons for everything done in the world. How odd to see that not one person here asked the circumstances about what happened, yet are making all kinds of snap judgements and assumptions. When I read this I did some investigating and got the story.
1. Bruce's friend lives next door to Teresa. Not next door like in town...next door in a rural area as in 200 yards away.
2. The friend invited Bruce over to hunt on his property.
3. Teresa had previously made it clear she didn't want anyone to hunt even 200 yds away but a person can do what they want on their own property.
4. They hunted anyway as it was just going to be for an hour or two and teresa came out of her house, drove down the driveway and started taking pictures of them! (trying to intimidate that she was going to get them in trouble.)
5. The neighbor ask if she had a problem and she went ballistic screaming at both the neighbor and her brother in law who was so far away he couldn't even make out what she said.
6. As she continued this tirade her brother in law came closer but never closer than 25 or 30 feet and they argued. Of course he had a gun in his hand and so did the neighbor...they were hunting. At no time was he pointing it at anyone and I understand at that time it wasn't even loaded.
7. Teresa called the police and when they arrived she told them the 2 men were breaking hunting laws. She never said anything about pointing guns. The police checked it all out and told them they were free to go, they had done nothing wrong and she became angry again. That's when she concocted the "threat" story and (4 days later..how strange to wait that long) went and got a restraining order. It is all in the police report.
8. In shock that she would do this the family did some investigating themselves and found that she has a pattern of dramatization, calling the police and getting restraining orders. Even on a lady in a church where Ronny pastored!
I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. There is something wrong with her and her life is one huge drama after another except the drama is only in her mind. She obviously needs to seek help whether with counseling, medication or both. Her husband did not go with her to get the restraining order as he knew, and told her, it was ridiculous. Her brother in law had not threatened her and would not hurt her or anyone else but she refused to listen to reason and got it anyway.
On the other hand, I was told by just as many people that her brother in law has hunted recreationally and for a living for over 40 years and has never had an altercation of any kind with anybody. He has no criminal record. I couldn't even find where he had ever been issued a ticket that had to do with hunting. His assessment from others was the complete opposite of Teresa's....he is well liked, doesn't cause trouble, wouldn't hurt anyone intentionally, and so on and so forth.
Now why would anyone with that reputation go berserk all of a sudden and be pointing a gun at, and threatening, their own sister in law? This had nothing to do with Danny whatsoever other than, like the rest of the family, he couldn't believe she would treat her good natured brother in law this way. That told me something. It tells me that this wasn't about the brother in law at all, but about Teresa not getting her way to do some things she wanted to do on 3abn. I am told she is a very vengeful person if she doesn't get her way and this proves it.
The brother in law is no more blood related than is Teresa so you all should be ashamed to throw him under the bus without even asking a simple question about the circumstances or at least look into Teresa's reputation on restraining orders and calling the police when she doesn't like something.
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Sam why should anyone listen to you? You are a proven liar. Quite interesting to see you add your two cents....you are a notorious liar who know one should heed your story as truth.
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Well, what a dichotomy...sam the man says the only known Shelton to tell the Truth and Nothing But the Truth is not telling the truth and defines Teresa as a Drama...
Sam, old girl, Danny is the epitome of DRAMA...married three times and two were reportedly just gold-diggers digging into one of the biggest gold-digging televangelists to ever delude the seventh-day adventist church...the epitome of liars, cheats and thieves and then hides behind "confidentiality".
If you think we believe the first iota of anything you claim to be truth...well, shall we say you are just a bit factually challenged. What an under statement...you are the definition of FACTUALLY CHALLENGED.
One day both the "gold-diggers" will publish their MEMOIRS and the true character of the lowly and pathetic Danny Lee Shelton will once again be rendered the appropriate light of day.
Servant all right, of princes and principalities of DEMONS!!! EVIL is an understatement and exemplifies this heresy of truth. And it continues to be exposed for what it really is, the Living Dead.
Teresa, know you have friends in the world of the Living and your revelations are recognized for what they really represent. Be proud to join Linda Sue Shelton and others that have dared to defy the lie!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Sam, Sam, Sam, lets hope you are joking? Obviously, you are talking second hand and have no real knowledge of what happen? The lady spoke from her experience what happen to her and you simply have taken the side you want to believe is true. For sure if what that lady said is true you would not expect the people involved to tell the truth or make it out to be anything other than a misunderstanding. Then you done went and called the lady crazy, though you report to only report what others have said. If you had just stopped with your explanation I could have given you some credence but the venom that came out of that post is clear as the driven snow. Sam you are the kinda person that agrees with the rapist saying the way she was dressed was just asking for it. Common sense tells me that this lady is obviously hurting from the dynamics of the family and her pain does not just come from the latest incident. Very few family members will pull the fire alarm unless there is fire or smoke. Who ever you are you are ruthless and show the same exact spirit as those in the Linda case. You seem totally unable to grasp the facts about Danny and his obvious mid-life crisis. On the otherhand you seem to have a blind eye to obvious things of a harmful nature right under your nose.
I couldn't help but respond when I heard about this. Kudos to you, Teresa. Thank you for being courageous enough to share this. You have done the right thing. :TY:
Duane, I address this to you because, though we have had our differences, you have stepped in on the side of fairness when these people and this place have gotten out of control with the accusations aimed at all the sheltons for everything done in the world. How odd to see that not one person here asked the circumstances about what happened, yet are making all kinds of snap judgements and assumptions. When I read this I did some investigating and got the story.
1. Bruce's friend lives next door to Teresa. Not next door like in town...next door in a rural area as in 200 yards away.
2. The friend invited Bruce over to hunt on his property.
3. Teresa had previously made it clear she didn't want anyone to hunt even 200 yds away but a person can do what they want on their own property.
4. They hunted anyway as it was just going to be for an hour or two and teresa came out of her house, drove down the driveway and started taking pictures of them! (trying to intimidate that she was going to get them in trouble.)
5. The neighbor ask if she had a problem and she went ballistic screaming at both the neighbor and her brother in law who was so far away he couldn't even make out what she said.
6. As she continued this tirade her brother in law came closer but never closer than 25 or 30 feet and they argued. Of course he had a gun in his hand and so did the neighbor...they were hunting. At no time was he pointing it at anyone and I understand at that time it wasn't even loaded.
7. Teresa called the police and when they arrived she told them the 2 men were breaking hunting laws. She never said anything about pointing guns. The police checked it all out and told them they were free to go, they had done nothing wrong and she became angry again. That's when she concocted the "threat" story and (4 days later..how strange to wait that long) went and got a restraining order. It is all in the police report.
8. In shock that she would do this the family did some investigating themselves and found that she has a pattern of dramatization, calling the police and getting restraining orders. Even on a lady in a church where Ronny pastored!
I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. There is something wrong with her and her life is one huge drama after another except the drama is only in her mind. She obviously needs to seek help whether with counseling, medication or both. Her husband did not go with her to get the restraining order as he knew, and told her, it was ridiculous. Her brother in law had not threatened her and would not hurt her or anyone else but she refused to listen to reason and got it anyway.
On the other hand, I was told by just as many people that her brother in law has hunted recreationally and for a living for over 40 years and has never had an altercation of any kind with anybody. He has no criminal record. I couldn't even find where he had ever been issued a ticket that had to do with hunting. His assessment from others was the complete opposite of Teresa's....he is well liked, doesn't cause trouble, wouldn't hurt anyone intentionally, and so on and so forth.
Now why would anyone with that reputation go berserk all of a sudden and be pointing a gun at, and threatening, their own sister in law? This had nothing to do with Danny whatsoever other than, like the rest of the family, he couldn't believe she would treat her good natured brother in law this way. That told me something. It tells me that this wasn't about the brother in law at all, but about Teresa not getting her way to do some things she wanted to do on 3abn. I am told she is a very vengeful person if she doesn't get her way and this proves it.
The brother in law is no more blood related than is Teresa so you all should be ashamed to throw him under the bus without even asking a simple question about the circumstances or at least look into Teresa's reputation on restraining orders and calling the police when she doesn't like something.
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Sammy said:
When I read this I did some investigating and got the story.
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Sorry had to laugh!!!! Proven liar got the story? yeah, right!
Stick to your day job, Sam! May be more efficient and keep you out of a burning hell!!!
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There is no reason to address anything to me if you do it anonymously.
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Sammy what an interesting investigation you have made and stated in post 248. Obviously I don't know how to do many things on this program because I do not have 7 1/2 years of practice so I was not able to copy your post.
The public should be aware of the story.
1. Ronny Shelton, Bruce's brother in law of 30 years was also at the end of the barrel of the loaded gun. (You seemed to have left this out of your report.) It was not point at our heads but rather in the direction of the whole body. Bruce held the gun firm to his hip, finger on trigger and turned the gun to point at the one he was screaming at.
2. The police report states that Bruce was 20 feet away. His copy had a hole punch right over the zero (used by the justice system when they put it into their files) which Danny had stated Bruce's attorney was going to use it court as inaccuracies.
3. The charges were dropped by me and my husband because we were giving Bruce some grace and mercy (have copies) which apparently unlike Balaam, even when caught can not and will not admit his wrong.
4. The Order of Protection would not be pursued to extend another 2 years and was dropped because it was assured to me, by my husband Ronny, that Bruce would not come back to cause me more harm.
5. The rural area that you are speaking about, Hello... is a subdivision. There are little grandchildren running around, retired elderly people living in this subdivision. Would you like some pictures?
6. Bruce was not hunting but really just challenging his gun right. Throw doves decoys over the powerlines. Two on the top wire, one on the bottom. Shooting over a roadway on a well traveled road with School buses going by. Hello. Professional Hunting Guide???? (Need Pictures.....got them.)
7. His friend that lives next door to us, took all the tickets from the game warden, Bruce's friend is also heard on the 911 tape telling Bruce to put the gun down. Ronny was heard telling Bruce to put the gun down and myself saying "Please Bruce put the gun down and have some respect for family" When Bruce replied "I am family." Bruce's friend quickly got his gun and put it up because this friend could see the rage and uncontrollable temper of Bruce, and how he was holding the gun on/at/ Ronny and myself.
8. Pictures obviously when bring attention to what wrongs being done by such people....pictures must be taken, documents must be documented and proof must be given beyond the reason of a doubt because of people like you Sammy. It's understandable that you would defend your husband, but Sammy wrong is wrong and right it right. Gray areas in situations like these are from those who have to take medication to keep their heads there.... in the gray area.
9. Danny did believe the lie that Bruce has passed as truth and wanted this to all just go away because it would hurt 3ABN when it hit the courts like all the other court case. Tammy, you, have believed the lie that Bruce is determined to live with, and yes we all talk, we all have opinions but unless you can back up what you say, then keep your opinions to yourself. You have obviously decided your brother to be a liar and your husband to be the honest Abe. Get real, we all know the truth.
10. As far as my mental state.....I am stressed..... with people like you and your husband that are determined to make people miserable, get your way, and refute the truth by investigating only to satisfy your own agenda...which it to win. Buzz saws, bulldozers, heavy metal equipment all end up in the trash.
11. My past Sammy...would you honestly like to get into a discussion of our past with the folks here on Advent Talk. You seem to want to base behaviors on Sept. 2nd on past. Have you forgotten that years ago my past was talked about openly on Black SDA and I was the one doing the talking? God changes lives isn't this part of the Ministry at 3ABN and the gospel that is preached there? Maybe it would be good to listen to the message and not just collect the items donated.
There were some BIG details left out in your investigation.
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Teresa:
Are you saying that Sammy is Tammy Chance????
I have often wondered if it was. Especially with the lies that "Sam" tells using my mother as her prop.
Then "Sam" has her son, Trent, contact me concerning the issue with Tommy.
Wonder if "Sam" is willing to admit that Trent is not Bruce's son??????
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:oops:I am so sorry folks the picture really got big and actually I had a couple more and didn't post them. THANK GOODNESS!
By the way Sammy, Ronny signed all the documents given to the Franklin Country Sherriffs Department when they came to the scene. Which could have been possible prosecuted as "Assult with a Deadly Weapon" punishable by jail and loss of his FOID card forever, Ronny also had to sign the papers to drop these possible charges against Bruce. Can you see any grace and mercy here?
I am DONE with this topic. My needs are elsewhere.
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
Teresa, don't bother responding to that. It's a moving identity target...
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
Sam why should anyone listen to you? You are a proven liar. Quite interesting to see you add your two cents....you are a notorious liar who know one should heed your story as truth.
Sam, Sam, Sam, lets hope you are joking? Obviously, you are talking second hand and have no real knowledge of what happen? The lady spoke from her experience what happen to her and you simply have taken the side you want to believe is true. For sure if what that lady said is true you would not expect the people involved to tell the truth or make it out to be anything other than a misunderstanding. Then you done went and called the lady crazy, though you report to only report what others have said. If you had just stopped with your explanation I could have given you some credence but the venom that came out of that post is clear as the driven snow. Sam you are the kinda person that agrees with the rapist saying the way she was dressed was just asking for it. Common sense tells me that this lady is obviously hurting from the dynamics of the family and her pain does not just come from the latest incident. Very few family members will pull the fire alarm unless there is fire or smoke. Who ever you are you are ruthless and show the same exact spirit as those in the Linda case. You seem totally unable to grasp the facts about Danny and his obvious mid-life crisis. On the otherhand you seem to have a blind eye to obvious things of a harmful nature right under your nose.
There is no reason to address anything to me if you do it anonymously.
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
Teresa, don't bother responding to that. It's a moving identity target...
A quick move from East to West. Trustworthy?
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
Where do you live?
Ever visit Virginia or that area, around the time Tommy was arrested or went to one of his first hearings?
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
Where do you live?
Ever visit Virginia or that area, around the time Tommy was arrested or went to one of his first hearings?
I for one, know that Danny Shelton and Tammy Chance was there along with Carol Shelton. Kind of narrows it down don't it?
Not only that, but if you read "Sam's" previous post in the past.....you can see that they get pretty defensive when you bring up the Chance's!!!!!
She even went as far as posting a fake email from herself!!!! You can try to fool a lot of folks, Tammy, but you do NOT fool me.
You are a proven liar. I have proved you to be one time and time again.
You and your husband should be ashamed of yourselves.
Again, I ask:
So, Tammy, did you inform your son Trent that you had an affair with your cousin and that Bruce is not his dad? :dunno:
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
Teresa, don't bother responding to that. It's a moving identity target...
I believe you are right, Snoopy. Let's do some research here.
Earlier Post from Sam:
1.) 2143ABN / eBay Sales Controversy?
« on: June 01, 2008, 10:09:29 AM »
C'mon Bob. Even those here that hate 3abn that watched can tell you different. I just got back late last night from attending the 3abn campmeeting. Am so happy to be able now to answer some of your questions that have been posted the last few days.
Never been to 3ABN, huh?
2.)2013ABN / Re: "single ... statement remotely related to Danny Shelton's personal finances
« on: June 12, 2008, 10:16:15 PM »
I said before I was able to attend the TC/campmeeting and there were record crowds. They give tours of the facilities and they are unbelievable. There is now a new kids time set which is already operational! The sound center recording studio has branched out to be able to offer soundtracks to the public. New programs are in the works! The ladies that take orders and answer questions at the call center say the phones are busy constantly. The thursday night lives are more popular than ever. I know, I called there with a question one thursday night and was on hold for 18 minutes!
Never been to 3ABN, huh?
3.)1503ABN / Re: Jim Gilley and Danny Shelton
« on: July 23, 2008, 09:23:17 PM »
Sorry to disappoint you but I saw and heard quite the opposite while visiting the TC weekend at 3abn in May. I had plenty of time to mingle with those attending as well as the pastors, speakers and guests. I heard over and over again how much everyone wanted Danny back on the air full time instead of just part time. THey were thrilled that he took such a large part in the campmeeting/TC event. I heard many people say that Jim was great, but 3abn was Danny. Pastor Jim told me himself his hope is that after Danny has had a well earned rest, he hopes for him to come back to his former position.
Never been to 3ABN, huh?
4.)203ABN / Re: Sheltons express support for Tommy's victims
Adam,
I take it you know Danny Shelton personally? No you don't so how can you talk as if you have an intelligent opinion on the matter when you no nothing about 3abn, Danny or anything else. You show your ignorance when you say Tommy had easy access to children at 3abn. That says a lot. Anyone, and I mean anyone that has ever been to a kids time production would laugh you out of town. There is a control room full of people who see everything through the camera's eyes. There is a crew out on the set. There are parents everywhere..on the set and off. The kids that are off the set are with their parents until their turn comes to be on the set. The kids that are on the set are being taped on television. The Mitcheff sisters are there doing the programs. There are so many people you can't turn around. Tommy's involvment was for the Mitcheffs to call him and ask him to come on the set and play a song for a kid to sing. Get it? Come on the set, where the kid, the crew, the Mitcheffs and the Control room are all watching, sit down at the piano, play the song, the floor director says Cut, and Tommy leaves. Had any of you ever been there you might, might, have an opinion but since you haven't been there you have no credibility in your opinions that are based on nothing.
How would you know this unless you have been there???
2143ABN / eBay Sales Controversy?
For FRAN. From Mr. Chance directly: The beginning of a store was a learning experience. Learning the best way to sell, what to sell, and what payment methods to take. They had to learn about paypal and its process. In the beginning they accepted checks, money orders, credit card and then paypal. After a time they found that buyers were taking an excessive amount of time to mail in checks and money orders so eventually, they quit taking those methods of payments. Every month the invoices from ebay and paypal are downloaded, printed out and given to the accounting department, along with copies of the actual sales, buyers name and address and when the item was sold and then shipped. All of these records are turned over to Accounting every month. Credit card payments are not taken by the donations department but directly by the accounting department. Accounting is the number listed on ebay to call for cc payment. Each item that is sold is then entered into the database that has the donor's information and constituent number. The item sold is recorded along with the date it was sold and the price it was sold for. Those records are given to the Accounting dept every month so that the donor can be receipted for the sale of their item
Thought you never talked to the Chances???
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
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I have never been to 3ABN.
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:goodpost: Alex!
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I have never been to 3ABN.
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I'm still having to laugh at this one!! It was such a blatant, obvious switch! A clear violation of forum rules, but the entertainment value far outweighs the violation, in my opinion!! Thanks for the chuckle, Sam!!
But now that I think about it, the Sam reincarnation was so immediate after Teresa Shelton made a positive identification that you almost have to wonder if Teresa was right on the money.
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Just yesterday, after Teresa outed Tammy Chance, I was checking her post history.
So either one, Tammy "Sam", is a bold faced liar, or multiple people are using it.
I would surmise that we will not be hearing from "Sam" for a while.
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Just yesterday, after Teresa outed Tammy Chance, I was checking her post history.
So either one, Tammy "Sam", is a bold faced liar, or multiple people are using it.
I would surmise that we will not be hearing from "Sam" for a while.
It would explain a lot. I wonder if the IRS investigation that didn't happen (ahem) included family members?
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Multiple personalities posting under "Sam" -- definitely a violation of forum rules.
But you're right, Snoopy! Much entertainment value!
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Multiple personalities posting under "Sam" -- definitely a violation of forum rules.
But you're right, Snoopy! Much entertainment value!
Isn't multiple personalities supposed to be a mental illness?
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You talk about being caught in a lie hahahah that was classic. I cant imagine they will come back into this forum again, but maybe they will since they are such a liar. Boy, you talking about a wack case they really are. I laughed and laughed, some people are soooooo stupid.
Multiple personalities posting under "Sam" -- definitely a violation of forum rules.
But you're right, Snoopy! Much entertainment value!
Isn't multiple personalities supposed to be a mental illness?
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Undercovering_Truth posted this:
Re: Stop the insanity!
by uncovering truth » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:37 am UTC
Won't it be interesting when/if Alex takes the stand (and if his attorneys are as billed, they will do everything to keep him off the stand), under cross his propensity to lie will be revealed and his testimony will be of no account. He can bluster all he wants to . . . but in the end he will be his own worst enemy.
Wonder how fast Gailon and Robert will drop him at that point. Watch out for stray buses Alex.
I am assuming you are talking about the civil trial?
Will Tommy take the stand? How about Brad? Maybe even Danny? :)
You probably don't want to open those can of worms, undercovering_truth.
Will I take the stand? You bet I will.
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under cross his propensity to lie will be revealed and his testimony will be of no account.
Does this principle apply to the "Sam"s and their testimony and statements?
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You would think so, wouldn't you, Christian. Man they are only regrouping. Jes' wait until you see the spin on this one. LOL!!!
This one might even rival the "spiritual adultery" thingy. That one had us shaking our heads for.......well I am still shaking my head at that one........make up your own grounds for a divorce...........and stick to so long you start believing it. How bold is that? Actually there is a name for that...........SMH..............Bless his heart..........
You talk about being caught in a lie hahahah that was classic. I cant imagine they will come back into this forum again, but maybe they will since they are such a liar. Boy, you talking about a wack case they really are. I laughed and laughed, some people are soooooo stupid.
Multiple personalities posting under "Sam" -- definitely a violation of forum rules.
But you're right, Snoopy! Much entertainment value!
Isn't multiple personalities supposed to be a mental illness?
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You would think so, wouldn't you, Christian. Man they are only regrouping. Jes' wait until you see the spin on this one. LOL!!!
I agree, Di. There is some serious regrouping and spinning going on somewhere. And they have to decide who is going to be the next "Sam"... But they will be back - that is a given.
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Princess, I recall a friend telling me that when Adventist go wrong they go father wrong or extreme than others do. And I was told that Adventist have a cult mentality of which I don't personally totally believe. What I believe is that Adventist have a predisposition towards the love of money and fame. We sell out for the world very quickly like the Jews did to Christ to keep "their" positions. Our preachers walk around (not all) but a very many (notice I said our) with a , I am a servant of God, and your need to follow me and yield to my authority (what authority). Some preacher are out there pushing poncy schemes and get rich fast schemes and riding in Mercedes and and strong arming the people for tithe. The fact that they got these things (I ain't haten) but if you going to do it why do it in the name of God. It is when they go on about how God gave them this and that (NOT ALL THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD KIND SINCERE PASTER) because they in his (GODS) service is when it gets weird. What I am saying is if you working for the Devil go ahead and work for him. Its like I told my daughter I cant keep you from doing wrong but if you decide you want to do it wear some protection. I will probably say this a million more times Danny's and his bothers biggest sin is that they did what they did under the cover of truth (the gospel of Jesus). The prodigals sons best decision is that he left home and without pretense went out and did his thing. But the real sad one was the one that feigned love for the father while all the time hating where he was. You know I would bet that most here in this forum would have forgiven Danny (not speaking to the brothers molestation) and been praying for him if he had not tried to use the Lord as an excuse (spiritual adultery)? How can you be forgiven if you refuse to recognize the fact that you have done something wrong? It is the worst kind of sin you could do, it is called unprotected sin. God would say in the scriptures I wish that you were hot or cold but because you are lukewarm I will spew you out of my mouth.
You would think so, wouldn't you, Christian. Man they are only regrouping. Jes' wait until you see the spin on this one. LOL!!!
This one might even rival the "spiritual adultery" thingy. That one had us shaking our heads for.......well I am still shaking my head at that one........make up your own grounds for a divorce...........and stick to so long you start believing it. How bold is that? Actually there is a name for that...........SMH..............Bless his heart..........
You talk about being caught in a lie hahahah that was classic. I cant imagine they will come back into this forum again, but maybe they will since they are such a liar. Boy, you talking about a wack case they really are. I laughed and laughed, some people are soooooo stupid.
Multiple personalities posting under "Sam" -- definitely a violation of forum rules.
But you're right, Snoopy! Much entertainment value!
Isn't multiple personalities supposed to be a mental illness?
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Shortly after Jesus died and went to heaven there were people living for the money that could be made off his teachings. That is also true of today. every possible dollar that can be made off each donor/sucker is what drives the televangelists who make money off the people who fall for their stories. They drive your feelings of guilt for the people who will be lost if you don't give, and make you feel good about the people who worship at the feet of who/what you are in the context of worship of your superior understanding everything biblical.
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In our present fallen world, injustice abounds. Very often the poor do not receive their dues while those who can afford high-priced lawyers go free. We live in an age when iniquity abounds, when man’s inhumanity against his fellow man knows no limits, when evil seemingly goes unchecked, when “truth [is] forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne.”*
* From James Russell Lowell, “The Present Crisis,” 1844.
William G. Johnson: From today's Week of Prayer reading.
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Yet, fortunately we know the rest of the story and in the end truth does triumph and justice does prevail. The key is to remember that though our struggles may be hard we are on the winning side the same as our Lord was in the dark hours prior to his death. Actually Jesus was more triumphant than at anytime in his ministry for mankind when he hung on the cross between heaven and earth.
Has anyone read the latest on Don Shula and the Crystal Cathedral, once again a ministry robbing the people in the name of God.
In our present fallen world, injustice abounds. Very often the poor do not receive their dues while those who can afford high-priced lawyers go free. We live in an age when iniquity abounds, when man’s inhumanity against his fellow man knows no limits, when evil seemingly goes unchecked, when “truth [is] forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne.”*
* From James Russell Lowell, “The Present Crisis,” 1844.
William G. Johnson: From today's Week of Prayer reading.
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
Teresa, don't bother responding to that. It's a moving identity target...
I believe you are right, Snoopy. Let's do some research here.
Earlier Post from Sam:
1.) 2143ABN / eBay Sales Controversy?
« on: June 01, 2008, 10:09:29 AM »
C'mon Bob. Even those here that hate 3abn that watched can tell you different. I just got back late last night from attending the 3abn campmeeting. Am so happy to be able now to answer some of your questions that have been posted the last few days.
Never been to 3ABN, huh?
2.)2013ABN / Re: "single ... statement remotely related to Danny Shelton's personal finances
« on: June 12, 2008, 10:16:15 PM »
I said before I was able to attend the TC/campmeeting and there were record crowds. They give tours of the facilities and they are unbelievable. There is now a new kids time set which is already operational! The sound center recording studio has branched out to be able to offer soundtracks to the public. New programs are in the works! The ladies that take orders and answer questions at the call center say the phones are busy constantly. The thursday night lives are more popular than ever. I know, I called there with a question one thursday night and was on hold for 18 minutes!
Never been to 3ABN, huh?
3.)1503ABN / Re: Jim Gilley and Danny Shelton
« on: July 23, 2008, 09:23:17 PM »
Sorry to disappoint you but I saw and heard quite the opposite while visiting the TC weekend at 3abn in May. I had plenty of time to mingle with those attending as well as the pastors, speakers and guests. I heard over and over again how much everyone wanted Danny back on the air full time instead of just part time. THey were thrilled that he took such a large part in the campmeeting/TC event. I heard many people say that Jim was great, but 3abn was Danny. Pastor Jim told me himself his hope is that after Danny has had a well earned rest, he hopes for him to come back to his former position.
Never been to 3ABN, huh?
4.)203ABN / Re: Sheltons express support for Tommy's victims
Adam,
I take it you know Danny Shelton personally? No you don't so how can you talk as if you have an intelligent opinion on the matter when you no nothing about 3abn, Danny or anything else. You show your ignorance when you say Tommy had easy access to children at 3abn. That says a lot. Anyone, and I mean anyone that has ever been to a kids time production would laugh you out of town. There is a control room full of people who see everything through the camera's eyes. There is a crew out on the set. There are parents everywhere..on the set and off. The kids that are off the set are with their parents until their turn comes to be on the set. The kids that are on the set are being taped on television. The Mitcheff sisters are there doing the programs. There are so many people you can't turn around. Tommy's involvment was for the Mitcheffs to call him and ask him to come on the set and play a song for a kid to sing. Get it? Come on the set, where the kid, the crew, the Mitcheffs and the Control room are all watching, sit down at the piano, play the song, the floor director says Cut, and Tommy leaves. Had any of you ever been there you might, might, have an opinion but since you haven't been there you have no credibility in your opinions that are based on nothing.
How would you know this unless you have been there???
2143ABN / eBay Sales Controversy?
For FRAN. From Mr. Chance directly: The beginning of a store was a learning experience. Learning the best way to sell, what to sell, and what payment methods to take. They had to learn about paypal and its process. In the beginning they accepted checks, money orders, credit card and then paypal. After a time they found that buyers were taking an excessive amount of time to mail in checks and money orders so eventually, they quit taking those methods of payments. Every month the invoices from ebay and paypal are downloaded, printed out and given to the accounting department, along with copies of the actual sales, buyers name and address and when the item was sold and then shipped. All of these records are turned over to Accounting every month. Credit card payments are not taken by the donations department but directly by the accounting department. Accounting is the number listed on ebay to call for cc payment. Each item that is sold is then entered into the database that has the donor's information and constituent number. The item sold is recorded along with the date it was sold and the price it was sold for. Those records are given to the Accounting dept every month so that the donor can be receipted for the sale of their item
Thought you never talked to the Chances???
Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
Excellent, EXCELLENT post, Alex! Can't wait to hear the spin on this one.
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:amen: Well now Christian, I see a good bit of that with the pastors also. I also agree on the cult mentality. But what I believe is happened is that in an effort to advoid the abuses of pastors who stay to long, create followings for themselves, etc. we swung too far the other way. So now you have these pastors trying to manipulate the system to get extra salary. I believe there are requirements that the church puts upon the pastor, some unwritten or implied, and they are not covered with the "modest" salary. Example: They get generous discounts for sending their children to SDA schools.......well they should because it is basically implied, definitely expected to send ALL of their children straight through SDA schools all the way to college.(A side point of information. Someone told me that the discount is like 75%. Can someone confirm that for me, please?)
I know about this first hand, and it can be devastating to a church. I have seen some real ugly stuff in the past few years. We need a better program for choosing our pastors.
Princess, I recall a friend telling me that when Adventist go wrong they go father wrong or extreme than others do. And I was told that Adventist have a cult mentality of which I don't personally totally believe. What I believe is that Adventist have a predisposition towards the love of money and fame. We sell out for the world very quickly like the Jews did to Christ to keep "their" positions. Our preachers walk around (not all) but a very many (notice I said our) with a , I am a servant of God, and your need to follow me and yield to my authority (what authority). Some preacher are out there pushing poncy schemes and get rich fast schemes and riding in Mercedes and and strong arming the people for tithe. The fact that they got these things (I ain't haten) but if you going to do it why do it in the name of God. It is when they go on about how God gave them this and that (NOT ALL THERE ARE A LOT OF GOOD KIND SINCERE PASTER) because they in his (GODS) service is when it gets weird. What I am saying is if you working for the Devil go ahead and work for him. Its like I told my daughter I cant keep you from doing wrong but if you decide you want to do it wear some protection. I will probably say this a million more times Danny's and his bothers biggest sin is that they did what they did under the cover of truth (the gospel of Jesus). The prodigals sons best decision is that he left home and without pretense went out and did his thing. But the real sad one was the one that feigned love for the father while all the time hating where he was. You know I would bet that most here in this forum would have forgiven Danny (not speaking to the brothers molestation) and been praying for him if he had not tried to use the Lord as an excuse (spiritual adultery)? How can you be forgiven if you refuse to recognize the fact that you have done something wrong? It is the worst kind of sin you could do, it is called unprotected sin. God would say in the scriptures I wish that you were hot or cold but because you are lukewarm I will spew you out of my mouth.
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Again, Princess, I ask how much Jesus' salary was, how expensive was his house, how many chariots and horses did he have at donor expense? When he died what did he leave other than the clothes off his back? Nothing but a legacy of healing, forgiving, and rebuilding everyone around him. Jesus took nothing but gave everything. Is anyone we know of better or more deserving than him? any pastor, singer, evangelist, televangelist, or any other person purporting to represent God to the rest of us? If Jesus didn't take from the people and become wealthier than them, who should? Who amongst us deserves more than Jesus?
And what happened to the fools who tried to profit off the gospel in the new testament? Based on that, how should we deal with or view those who profit off the gospel today?
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Example: They get generous discounts for sending their children to SDA schools.......well they should because it is basically implied, definitely expected to send ALL of their children straight through SDA schools all the way to college.(A side point of information. Someone told me that the discount is like 75%. Can someone confirm that for me, please?)
I don't recall that figure. I recall assistance with tuition but not with room and board, but it's been too long to remember the details.
But what I do remember is a pastor telling me that since there was no assistance with paying the extra taxes that the educational subsidy created, it was difficult sometimes to cover all one's expenses. So a pastor with the educational subsidy had less disposable income than the pastor without, because of the extra taxes.
Those pastors who have not opted out of Social Security must pay self-employment tax on all their income, which amounts to roughly twice what an employee might pay. Pastors for Social Security purposes are treated as if they are self-employed.
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I have never recieved a cent in denominational subsidy for any of my children and I have had three.
I believe the standard subsidy is 35% of the tutition for day schools and about twice that when the person was boarding at tht school. So, it could be 75% as was mentioned.
Bob is correct as to the tax issue.
As to opting out of Social Security: In the begainning some SDA clergy did opt out. It is still possible for such to do so today. However, I would suspect that very very few do so. For years the denominational retirement system was predicated on the assumption that the pastor would participate in Social Security, even though it was not required.
I am not up on the recent changes to the denominational retirement system when it was moved from a "Defined benefit" system to a "defined contribution system."
As to the current suitation: We have many pstors in the U. S.who cannot afford to live near thir assigned church. What kind of pastoral care can be provided when a pstor lives 100 miles away from their assigned church?
We have in many ways we have moved from a system where people are paid according to need to a system where they are paid a set salery modified by local cost of living or transportation expenses. When I was a pastor, all of the homes we lived in were owned by the Conference. In two cases, the Conference selected and purchased the homes we lived in based upon what thy thought we needed. N real choice, here you are, live here.
In the first place, the Conference purchased a very small 2-bedroom home that did not have any closets in it. So, they had the Conference contractor build an extension on the home that added a built-in closet to each bedroom and a car-port for the car we drove.
Conferences got out of the home-ownership business due to the costs of maintaince and dissatisfaction of employees over the lack of ownership.
In the beginning when they got out of home ownership, they found a need toloan money to their employees so they couldp urchase a home. When they did that, they often took a portion of the profits when the house was sold, but the employee could not sell a loss. Such was built into the loan contract.
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<many similarities world wide. Through most of my service with the Seventh-day Adventist Church we lived in housing provided by the church. This was the case in Denmark, Norway, Faroe Islands, Iceland, Sierra Leone, Nigeria, intil the Danish government wanted to tax the benefits we received from the housing provided, so the last years in active pastoral work we lived in a house of our own. At that time the Conference sold several of their houses.
When I retired about 12 years ago I received my "sustentation" from the Church until the Danish government stopped it and required the church to arrange all of their retirement payments to be paid through a life insurance company. This is to insure all the workers get their retirement benefits in case the Church is insolvent.
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I believe the standard subsidy is 35% of the tutition for day schools and about twice that when the person was boarding at tht school. So, it could be 75% as was mentioned.
I'm informed that it is 70% if one is boarding. If room and board equal tuition costs, then it amounts to 35% of the entire bill, since there is 0% help with room and board.
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Hey Sam, now that you have established your bona fides and shown us the depth of your veracity, perhaps you will grace us with explanation for the results of the research that Alex so quickly compiled?
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I believe that the 70% figure is correct as it is twice the 35% figrue. But, as I said,,75% is close.
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Hey Sam, now that you have established your bona fides and shown us the depth of your veracity, perhaps you will grace us with explanation for the results of the research that Alex so quickly compiled?
Isn't it ironic that the one who called Alex a "habitual liar" was proven to be one by the very same person? That must really sting.
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Yes, I agree, but Jesus was not here to be a pastor or at that time priest, Pharisee, Sadducee(sp). He had a very special ministry. ther is no comparison to His ministry, neither should there be, as no one else is qualified to be Savior of the world.
That did not keep him from establishing the system for Levite priests in the OT where the other 11 tribes paid that tithe to support them in the 24/7 work, and those were the priest and musicians. So, you have God acknowledging the fact that if He required that kind of time from them, he provided for the daily needs of them and their families. I believe that to be the cloest we have today. I don't believe you can compare the two. I don't even believe that the apostles are a good comparison, and they traveled around and left others in leadership over the churches they "planted", so to speak.
Please DO NOT think that I am in favor of all the corruption and abuse to the system, but we do have to be practical, as least as practical as God seemed to be when He instituted the system.
Again, Princess, I ask how much Jesus' salary was, how expensive was his house, how many chariots and horses did he have at donor expense? When he died what did he leave other than the clothes off his back? Nothing but a legacy of healing, forgiving, and rebuilding everyone around him. Jesus took nothing but gave everything. Is anyone we know of better or more deserving than him? any pastor, singer, evangelist, televangelist, or any other person purporting to represent God to the rest of us? If Jesus didn't take from the people and become wealthier than them, who should? Who amongst us deserves more than Jesus?
And what happened to the fools who tried to profit off the gospel in the new testament? Based on that, how should we deal with or view those who profit off the gospel today?
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And when Jesus came, he eliminated the system that had been established in the OT.
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Not arguing that, neither am I saying that the system now is modeled exactly as the OT system, just that it is the closer to it than the ministries of Jesus and the apostles.
And when Jesus came, he eliminated the system that had been established in the OT.
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Not arguing that, neither am I saying that the system now is modeled exactly as the OT system, just that it is the closer to it than the ministries of Jesus and the apostles.
And when Jesus came, he eliminated the system that had been established in the OT.
True. I just find it interesting that Christian groups, denominations and leaders like the idea of Jesus and some of his teachings, but not the system he introduced. They choose to model themselves after the OT system to the specific exclusion of what he and the apostles introduced.
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
Sam,
Produce your list of sources for your drama and I shall be happy to follow-up with my own investigation...after all, we have certainly proven our ability to get the REAL STORY out of Sheltonville!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
Sam,
Produce your list of sources for your drama and I shall be happy to follow-up with my own investigation...after all, we have certainly proven our ability to get the REAL STORY out of Sheltonville!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Sheltonville . . . is that like Chicagoland?
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Clear similarities...just different wanna-be Chicagoland characters.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I noticed that Danny Shelton is quoted on the 3ABN website saying that “Our goal is to work with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and we’re especially excited about working with our church’s General Conference President, Pastor Ted Wilson..."
So how well is Seventh-day Adventist General Conference President Ted Wilson working with 3ABN?
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I noticed that Danny Shelton is quoted on the 3ABN website saying that “Our goal is to work with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and we’re especially excited about working with our church’s General Conference President, Pastor Ted Wilson..."
So how well is Seventh-day Adventist General Conference President Ted Wilson working with 3ABN?
I guess we shall find out during discovery what role the GC had in the cover up. We probably will not receive word on the decision in my case until sometime before Christmas or after.
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I noticed that Danny Shelton is quoted on the 3ABN website saying that “Our goal is to work with the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and we’re especially excited about working with our church’s General Conference President, Pastor Ted Wilson..."
So how well is Seventh-day Adventist General Conference President Ted Wilson working with 3ABN?
Who is working for whom?
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
Teresa, don't bother responding to that. It's a moving identity target...
Teresa Shelton? I don't know if that is true or not...as anyone can claim to be anyone... If it is, then in my opinion this is out of line. Petty family squabbles and this kind of public airing of dirty laundry has no more business being here than Alex's petty and vicious attacks of his brother, Brad, which have nothing to do with his lawsuit. I do personally know Sam though, and although I find the guessing about Sam's identity hilarious and keep wondering who Sam will be identified as next week or month.. I don't recognize this poster either.
Something is wrong and weird here... and I personally find this troubling. Sam has always been consistent till now. To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one Sam up till now, and the Sam I know would not deliberately ever lie or be deceitful, and is too intelligent to undermine their own credibility and void all their earlier testimony and shared knowledge as this post obviously does. (nor would they allow another to post to do so in their name.) For what it's worth my initial thought and inclination is to think someone, somehow, has hacked Sam's account. I am going to make inquiries and find out what's going on here for myself and would advise others to do the same before forming conclusions about either Sam or polymark.
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SirMizer, your statement:
Teresa Shelton? I don't know if that is true or not...as anyone can claim to be anyone... If it is, then in my opinion this is out of line. Petty family squabbles and this kind of public airing of dirty laundry has no more business being here than Alex's petty and vicious attacks of his brother, Brad, which have nothing to do with his lawsuit.
seems to conflict with your statement:
I am going to make inquiries and find out what's going on here for myself and would advise others to do the same before forming conclusions about either Sam or polymark.
It seems to conflict because you appear to have formed conclusions about what polymark described while advising folks not to form conclusions about polymark.
Now after inquiring, if you report back, please be so kind as to tell us something about the source of your information so that we can evaluate its credibility.
Could you please explain to us why you think that pointing a loaded gun at someone is a "petty family squabble" that should never be made public, which clearly would include never filing a police report and never seeking a protective order? So are there any domestic abuse crimes that you do think should be prosecuted, or do you think that nothing should ever be made public even if the enraged pulls the trigger?
Really, your dismissing such allegations as being petty is pretty sick.
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Absolutely, Bob!
It is amazing that SirMizer would come up with such statements!
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Something is wrong and weird here... and I personally find this troubling. Sam has always been consistent till now. To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one Sam up till now, and the Sam I know would not deliberately ever lie or be deceitful, and is too intelligent to undermine their own credibility and void all their earlier testimony and shared knowledge as this post obviously does. (nor would they allow another to post to do so in their name.) For what it's worth my initial thought and inclination is to think someone, somehow, has hacked Sam's account. I am going to make inquiries and find out what's going on here for myself and would advise others to do the same before forming conclusions about either Sam or polymark.
Someone hacked Sam's account? How is that possible since "they" have ridiculed the idea of anyone hacking certain accounts?
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Teresa Shelton? I don't know if that is true or not...as anyone can claim to be anyone... If it is, then in my opinion this is out of line. Petty family squabbles and this kind of public airing of dirty laundry has no more business being here than Alex's petty and vicious attacks of his brother, Brad, which have nothing to do with his lawsuit. I do personally know Sam though, and although I find the guessing about Sam's identity hilarious and keep wondering who Sam will be identified as next week or month.. I don't recognize this poster either.
Something is wrong and weird here... and I personally find this troubling. Sam has always been consistent till now. To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one Sam up till now, and the Sam I know would not deliberately ever lie or be deceitful, and is too intelligent to undermine their own credibility and void all their earlier testimony and shared knowledge as this post obviously does. (nor would they allow another to post to do so in their name.) For what it's worth my initial thought and inclination is to think someone, somehow, has hacked Sam's account. I am going to make inquiries and find out what's going on here for myself and would advise others to do the same before forming conclusions about either Sam or polymark.
Everyone rest at ease! Nosir Myzing is on the case! All is well!
This gets more ridiculous with every post. The truth is, the lies have been exposed, and they were exposed by Alex. You have been exposed as liars by the very one you were trying to discredit. How does it feel to be beaten at your own game? LOL! :ROFL:
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Good point, Duane!
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
Teresa, don't bother responding to that. It's a moving identity target...
Teresa Shelton? I don't know if that is true or not...as anyone can claim to be anyone... If it is, then in my opinion this is out of line. Petty family squabbles and this kind of public airing of dirty laundry has no more business being here than Alex's petty and vicious attacks of his brother, Brad, which have nothing to do with his lawsuit. I do personally know Sam though, and although I find the guessing about Sam's identity hilarious and keep wondering who Sam will be identified as next week or month.. I don't recognize this poster either.
Something is wrong and weird here... and I personally find this troubling. Sam has always been consistent till now. To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one Sam up till now, and the Sam I know would not deliberately ever lie or be deceitful, and is too intelligent to undermine their own credibility and void all their earlier testimony and shared knowledge as this post obviously does. (nor would they allow another to post to do so in their name.) For what it's worth my initial thought and inclination is to think someone, somehow, has hacked Sam's account. I am going to make inquiries and find out what's going on here for myself and would advise others to do the same before forming conclusions about either Sam or polymark.
Are you kidding me? Am I actually reading this??? Sir Myzer I am shocked that you would come on here and post such stupidity and make yourself look like a fool.
Account was hacked? ROFL. Seriously?
Now concerning my brother I have posted facts. I stand by statements.
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Everyone rest at ease! Nosir Myzing is on the case! All is well!
This gets more ridiculous with every post. The truth is, the lies have been exposed, and they were exposed by Alex. You have been exposed as liars by the very one you were trying to discredit. How does it feel to be beaten at your own game? LOL! :ROFL:
Seems like it is going to be quite a game! Quite a surprise to some!
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:oops:I am so sorry folks the picture really got big and actually I had a couple more and didn't post them. THANK GOODNESS!
By the way Sammy, Ronny signed all the documents given to the Franklin Country Sherriffs Department when they came to the scene. Which could have been possible prosecuted as "Assult with a Deadly Weapon" punishable by jail and loss of his FOID card forever, Ronny also had to sign the papers to drop these possible charges against Bruce. Can you see any grace and mercy here?
I am DONE with this topic. My needs are elsewhere.
I haven't seen polymark in several weeks. I hope she is OK. I have been worried about the potential family repercussions of her revelations here.
Polymark - if you are reading here, I'm praying for you!!!
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I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
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...I do personally know Sam though, and although I find the guessing about Sam's identity hilarious and keep wondering who Sam will be identified as next week or month.. I don't recognize this poster either.
Something is wrong and weird here... and I personally find this troubling. Sam has always been consistent till now. To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one Sam up till now, and the Sam I know would not deliberately ever lie or be deceitful, and is too intelligent to undermine their own credibility and void all their earlier testimony and shared knowledge as this post obviously does. (nor would they allow another to post to do so in their name.) For what it's worth my initial thought and inclination is to think someone, somehow, has hacked Sam's account. I am going to make inquiries and find out what's going on here for myself and would advise others to do the same before forming conclusions about either Sam or polymark.
Now after inquiring, if you report back, please be so kind as to tell us something about the source of your information so that we can evaluate its credibility.
No. "Something about the source of my information" is none of Pickle's business, nor is it necessary for him to evaluate anything. It was obvious to Snoopy and others as well as myself that someone else had gained access to Sam's account and login and was posting. Even more have posted acknowledging the inconsistency of what was posted.
It is my understanding that since the accounts and login have been compromised , Sam will be re-registering here. If the new registration is not accepted by this forum's administration? Well, then Sam will just post on the other forum from now on. (The one you all keep claiming to not read posts at, or go to.)
I may reply to the rest of Pickle's nonsense there.
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I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
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...I do personally know Sam though, and although I find the guessing about Sam's identity hilarious and keep wondering who Sam will be identified as next week or month.. I don't recognize this poster either.
Something is wrong and weird here... and I personally find this troubling. Sam has always been consistent till now. To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one Sam up till now, and the Sam I know would not deliberately ever lie or be deceitful, and is too intelligent to undermine their own credibility and void all their earlier testimony and shared knowledge as this post obviously does. (nor would they allow another to post to do so in their name.) For what it's worth my initial thought and inclination is to think someone, somehow, has hacked Sam's account. I am going to make inquiries and find out what's going on here for myself and would advise others to do the same before forming conclusions about either Sam or polymark.
Now after inquiring, if you report back, please be so kind as to tell us something about the source of your information so that we can evaluate its credibility.
No. "Something about the source of my information" is none of Pickle's business, nor is it necessary for him to evaluate anything. It was obvious to Snoopy and others as well as myself that someone else had gained access to Sam's account and login and was posting. Even more have posted acknowledging the inconsistency of what was posted.
It is my understanding that since the accounts and login have been compromised , Sam will be re-registering here. If the new registration is not accepted by this forum's administration? Well, then Sam will just post on the other forum from now on. (The one you all keep claiming to not read posts at, or go to.)
I may reply to the rest of Pickle's nonsense there.
ADMIN HAT ON
You will NOT, I repeat, NOT, take my words and twist them around to suit your repulsive purposes. Let me help you out here with the meaning of my post, since apparently it was lost on you.
You and your little group of sick minds have a reputation for revolving user names and identifications. This has been proven time and time again here, regardless of whether or not you think otherwise. There was no hacking. Just another case of passing user IDs and passwords around to your little group!! But this time you all took it a step too far and now you are trying to make up a story to cover your tracks...again. Incidentally, it was OBVIOUS from data available at the administrative level, so you can give up on trying to convince readers here of your made-up hacking story.
Personally, I would LOVE to see the collective Sams removed from here permanently! So if you can talk he/she/them into exclusive use of your smut site, fantastic!!! I would be forever grateful!!
ADMIN HAT OFF
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ADMIN HAT ON
You will NOT, I repeat, NOT, take my words and twist them around to suit your repulsive purposes. Let me help you out here with the meaning of my post, since apparently it was lost on you.
You and your little group of sick minds have a reputation for revolving user names and identifications. This has been proven time and time again here, regardless of whether or not you think otherwise. There was no hacking. Just another case of passing user IDs and passwords around to your little group!! But this time you all took it a step too far and now you are trying to make up a story to cover your tracks...again. Incidentally, it was OBVIOUS from data available at the administrative level, so you can give up on trying to convince readers here of your made-up hacking story.
Personally, I would LOVE to see the collective Sams removed from here permanently! So if you can talk he/she/them into exclusive use of your smut site, fantastic!!! I would be forever grateful!!
ADMIN HAT OFF
:TY: I'm tired of the blatant lying from the defenders as well. Thanks for exposing them as the irrelevant fools that they are.
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No Sir Myzer....YOU ARE A FOOL. Come on here and pull that crap. You think we re stupid?????????? You just cant facethe fact that, I, Alex Larry Walker caught you all in lie....And I am the liar, huh?
Now you come on here making lies and excuses.......YOU ARE A FOOL! DO YOU NOT HAVE A BRAIN?????
Good post, Snoopy! I fully agree with you my friend.
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Seriously, No Sirmyser, I wish you hadn't tried that little thing you did. I prefer to have some respect for you. How bout lets just pretend wat u just said never wuz said.
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Hey Sam, now that you have established your bona fides and shown us the depth of your veracity, perhaps you will grace us with explanation for the results of the research that Alex so quickly compiled?
Actually, if you listen REAL carefully when you read "Sam's" last post, you might hear the faint sounds of a piano lesson in progress...
By the way - does anyone know what a junebug smells like when it gets stepped on??
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Teresa, you think you know who I am? I have never met Tammy Chance or Bruce Chance in person. I assume that is who you mean by saying Tammy? I have never been to 3ABN. Like I said, I did some investigating and got this info. I personally talked to a number of people who all said the same thing. I added two plus two and found it equaled four.
Yep - this is the one. Listen - can you hear a piano lesson in the background??
And "Sam", it worked for me too - I added two plus two and found it equaled four!!
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And "Sam", it worked for me too - I added two plus two and found it equaled four!!
LOL!!!
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Who is the "hacker"?
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Who is the "hacker"?
Good question!! And if we can discover the answer, what should be done about it?? Hacking is a serious offense - an accusation not to be taken lightly...
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I think we may have just witnessed an identity change, right here before our very eyes... Imagine that.
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...I do personally know Sam though, and although I find the guessing about Sam's identity hilarious and keep wondering who Sam will be identified as next week or month.. I don't recognize this poster either.
Something is wrong and weird here... and I personally find this troubling. Sam has always been consistent till now. To the best of my knowledge, there has only been one Sam up till now, and the Sam I know would not deliberately ever lie or be deceitful, and is too intelligent to undermine their own credibility and void all their earlier testimony and shared knowledge as this post obviously does. (nor would they allow another to post to do so in their name.) For what it's worth my initial thought and inclination is to think someone, somehow, has hacked Sam's account. I am going to make inquiries and find out what's going on here for myself and would advise others to do the same before forming conclusions about either Sam or polymark.
Now after inquiring, if you report back, please be so kind as to tell us something about the source of your information so that we can evaluate its credibility.
No. "Something about the source of my information" is none of Pickle's business, nor is it necessary for him to evaluate anything. It was obvious to Snoopy and others as well as myself that someone else had gained access to Sam's account and login and was posting. Even more have posted acknowledging the inconsistency of what was posted.
It is my understanding that since the accounts and login have been compromised , Sam will be re-registering here. If the new registration is not accepted by this forum's administration? Well, then Sam will just post on the other forum from now on. (The one you all keep claiming to not read posts at, or go to.)
I may reply to the rest of Pickle's nonsense there.
Do you see any clarification in this?
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I may reply to the rest of Pickle's nonsense there.
SirMizer, I called you on your mischaracterization of domestic violence as being a "petty" family squabble, and you have the gall to call that nonsense? That's as absurd as Lee on BSDA suggesting that the minor being consenting somehow made a difference when it came to child molestation.
I suggest you seek counsel from your pastor, or local sheriff or police chief, and that you spend some time doing community service with an organization that specializes in helping victims of domestic violence.
Then come back here and tell us whether you still think that pointing a loaded gun at relatives is petty, and that concern about your mischaracterization thereof is nonsense.
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Who is the "hacker"?
Good question!! And if we can discover the answer, what should be done about it?? Hacking is a serious offense - an accusation not to be taken lightly...
Did someone have an idea who on this forum might have been the "hacker"?
Also, was it suggested that someone report the "hacker" to authorities and press charges?
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Did someone have an idea who on this forum might have been the "hacker"?
Also, was it suggested that someone report the "hacker" to authorities and press charges?
What a great idea!
But first, Sam, can you verify for us that you were indeed hacked? We wouldn't want to get in trouble for filing a false report.
Do the authorities ever accept salmon for bail?
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Did someone have an idea who on this forum might have been the "hacker"?
Also, was it suggested that someone report the "hacker" to authorities and press charges?
What a great idea!
But first, Sam, can you verify for us that you were indeed hacked? We wouldn't want to get in trouble for filing a false report.
Do the authorities ever accept salmon for bail?
Sam . . . you were hacked . . .
What about the salmon?
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It seems to me that if Sam's account had really been hacked, we would have heard it from Sam instead of a third party mouthpiece. Why can't Sam come here herself and explain that her account was hacked? Why send Cindymyzer instead? Sam has always been capable of speaking her mind. Why not now? Is she embarrassed?
Things that make you go "hhhmmm".
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It seems to me that if Sam's account had really been hacked, we would have heard it from Sam instead of a third party mouthpiece. Why can't Sam come here herself and explain that her account was hacked? Why send Cindymyzer instead? Sam has always been capable of speaking her mind. Why not now? Is she embarrassed?
Things that make you go "hhhmmm".
Folks,
Commonsense:
1. When someones email and logins are compromised, they can't login in or use them anymore as passwords can be changed, so all they can do is report it to their provider, not use them to come here, or go anywhere and say anything, even if they wanted to.
2. On most forums, if a forum admin or moderator knows that someone else is posting on a members account in violation of the rules, as is the case here (even without it being reported), they usually suspend the account immediately and ask questions later and don't sit around saying "this is so amusing..." or ""hhhmmm..." instead of doing so.
But this forum, imo, is not like most forums. If they don't like what I say here they can edit, or ban me. Their choice, but it won't silence me- or any other, including Sam. This little forum is all they can control -- besides themselves. (If they would only choose to) Enough said? IMO, IT IS, despite the fact that Pickle and others will enter into this with "the spirit of debate" and many accusations and contentions as is their way.
I'm still having to laugh at this one!! It was such a blatant, obvious switch! A clear violation of forum rules, but the entertainment value far outweighs the violation, in my opinion!! Thanks for the chuckle, Sam!!
Edited to add quote @ 7:48
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SirMizer, you're surmising again.
Snoopy's point is a valid one. If Sam's account was hacked, Sam would be the one reporting it to the moderators, not you, regardless of whether his or her password was changed.
I would expect the moderators not to suspend an account immediately simply because some third party claimed without evidence that an account was hacked. Especially when that third party was you, an individual (a) who has publicly asserted that pointing a loaded gun at a relative is a "petty family squabble" which should not be made public, and thus that no protective order should be sought since that would make it public, and (b) who refuses to backtrack on such a ludicrous statement.
Have you spoken to a pastor or police chief or sheriff yet about this matter? Have you done any hours of community service for an organization that deals with domestic violence?
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It seems to me that if Sam's account had really been hacked, we would have heard it from Sam instead of a third party mouthpiece. Why can't Sam come here herself and explain that her account was hacked? Why send Cindymyzer instead? Sam has always been capable of speaking her mind. Why not now? Is she embarrassed?
Things that make you go "hhhmmm".
Folks,
Commonsense:
1. When someones email and logins are compromised, they can't login in or use them anymore as passwords can be changed, so all they can do is report it to their provider, not use them to come here, or go anywhere and say anything, even if they wanted to.
2. On most forums, if a forum admin or moderator knows that someone else is posting on a members account in violation of the rules, as is the case here, they usually suspend the account immediately and ask questions later and don't sit around saying "this is so amusing..." or "hmmm.." instead of doing so.
But this forum, imo, is not like most forums. If they don't like what I say here they can edit, or ban me. Their choice, but it won't silence me- or any other, including Sam. This little forum is all they can control -- besides themselves. (If they would only choose to) Enough said? IMO, it is.
Wow! So you are saying that Sam's email was hacked as well? And that the hacker changed her password here so she cannot log in? I sure didn't realize that. I guess we need to dig a little deeper.
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Here's the bottom line, Cindy. Either Sam is lying, or multiple people have been using the account. Either way, one of your little group, (I say little because it's MUCH smaller than AdventTalk), has been caught and you can't deal with it. If the account was hacked, why is the hacker not still posting? Why did the posts immediately stop after Alex exposed the lies? Your assertion that someone would take the time to hack an account to say almost the same things that have already been said is patently absurd. My advice is to pay closer attention to which lies you tell under which screen name.
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And another thing, people are banned at your little forum, too. I'm living proof of that. Steffan is a punk and Lilly is just plain stupid, yet I wasn't allowed to answer their lies and slander. So get off your high horse about banning people.
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But this forum, imo, is not like most forums.
I am sure glad you realize this. We will try not to decorate ourselves with deceptive names.
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Re: Writ of Certiorari
by Mercy » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:20 am UTC
Have you read the Pickle statements on Danny Shelton for President. What's interesting is that all along he has claimed that all the personal attacks against DS are warranted and just part of discovery for the law suit. Yet the big lawsuit they took all the way to the supreme court is done and over...nothing can change the fact that all along DS, 3ABN and their attorneys said that Pickle and Joy were absolutely crazy to think they could win their suit trying to get the stoppage dismissed.
Pickle should be exposed now more than ever that he is all about gossip and ugly talk.
Pickle should be exposed for being the sore loser that he is and that all of these attacks are by a sick stubborn individual who has a great amount of hatred for DS and 3ABN but tries to hide behind religious garbs!
He acts like he has destroyed DS's reputation and credibility, when IN FACT it is he who has lost all credibility by his hateful actions. AT talked about if you role a stone it will roll back on you...well guess what...Pickle and Joy have been squashed...not DS or 3abn.
They could be asked....How is it that DS and 3ABN continue to grow and that nearly 8 yrs after the divorce that people including church leadership all the way to the GC President support DS and 3ABN. In fact, none of the church people they first approached with all their lies support them now....Who's credibility has really been hurt the most?
Fact is all the judges, and courts up to the Supreme Court (how ridiculous they went that far) saw from the beginning that these 2 guys were ate up with arrogance and a vengeance that had nothing to do with legalities. Let's dwell on one important point. IF there were anything to any of their accusations wouldn't some judge at some point, through 6 years of legal battles, have seen it? Just one? They have said they have all this evidence blah blah and all they ever had was he said, she said, or should I say, he lied, she lied. They would write down what someone told them and that was their "evidence". Sorry boys. The courts never gave any of it any merit and it's over. Move on!
Oh well. Jesus was convicted in several courts of law and sentenced to death for crimes against God and Man. Joseph was convicted and sent to prison. Paul and pretty much all the apostles were convicted and sentenced to death in courts of law. The forefathers of televangelists were the popes of Rome and the Leaders of the inquisition. Enjoy, our religious S&M friends! o_O
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It seems to me that if Sam's account had really been hacked, we would have heard it from Sam instead of a third party mouthpiece. Why can't Sam come here herself and explain that her account was hacked? Why send Cindymyzer instead? Sam has always been capable of speaking her mind. Why not now? Is she embarrassed?
Things that make you go "hhhmmm".
Apparently the real "Sam" is too humiliated to admit personally that her account was hacked. Sam, if that's really the case, please don't take it as a personal reflection on you!! You are the victim here and cannot be blamed for the actions of the perpetrator. I've had an account hacked before and it is not a good feeling...a feeling of being violated in a weird sort of way.
Sam, you might take a lesson from Alex, who was violated in the worst sort of Sandusky way. Instead of hiding himself as you have done, Alex took a courageous step forward to bring the perpetrator to justice!! Way to go, Alex!
Walker v. Shelton!!! Take two...
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Oh well. Jesus was convicted in several courts of law and sentenced to death for crimes against God and Man. Joseph was convicted and sent to prison. Paul and pretty much all the apostles were convicted and sentenced to death in courts of law. The forefathers of televangelists were the popes of Rome and the Leaders of the inquisition. Enjoy, our religious S&M friends! o_O
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It seems to me that if Sam's account had really been hacked, we would have heard it from Sam instead of a third party mouthpiece. Why can't Sam come here herself and explain that her account was hacked? Why send Cindymyzer instead? Sam has always been capable of speaking her mind. Why not now? Is she embarrassed?
Things that make you go "hhhmmm".
Apparently the real "Sam" is too humiliated to admit personally that her account was hacked. Sam, if that's really the case, please don't take it as a personal reflection on you!! You are the victim here and cannot be blamed for the actions of the perpetrator. I've had an account hacked before and it is not a good feeling...a feeling of being violated in a weird sort of way.
Sam, you might take a lesson from Alex, who was violated in the worst sort of Sandusky way. Instead of hiding himself as you have done, Alex took a courageous step forward to bring the perpetrator to justice!! Way to go, Alex!
Walker v. Shelton!!! Take two...
Snoopy, I am very proud of having attended college together with a great man like your father and several of his siblings. In my estimation they were among the top students it was a joy associating with. They have rendered great service to our church. The apple does not fall far away from . . .
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It seems to me that if Sam's account had really been hacked, we would have heard it from Sam instead of a third party mouthpiece. Why can't Sam come here herself and explain that her account was hacked? Why send Cindymyzer instead? Sam has always been capable of speaking her mind. Why not now? Is she embarrassed?
Things that make you go "hhhmmm".
Apparently the real "Sam" is too humiliated to admit personally that her account was hacked. Sam, if that's really the case, please don't take it as a personal reflection on you!! You are the victim here and cannot be blamed for the actions of the perpetrator. I've had an account hacked before and it is not a good feeling...a feeling of being violated in a weird sort of way.
Sam, you might take a lesson from Alex, who was violated in the worst sort of Sandusky way. Instead of hiding himself as you have done, Alex took a courageous step forward to bring the perpetrator to justice!! Way to go, Alex!
Walker v. Shelton!!! Take two...
Snoopy, I am very proud of having attended college together with a great man like your father and several of his siblings. In my estimation they were among the top students it was a joy associating with. They have rendered great service to our church. The apple does not fall far away from . . .
Thank you, Johann!! :dogwag: That means a great deal to me, especially coming from you!!!
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Oh well. Jesus was convicted in several courts of law and sentenced to death for crimes against God and Man. Joseph was convicted and sent to prison. Paul and pretty much all the apostles were convicted and sentenced to death in courts of law. The forefathers of televangelists were the popes of Rome and the Leaders of the inquisition. Enjoy, our religious S&M friends! o_O
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Re: Writ of Certiorari
by Mercy » Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:20 am UTC
Have you read the Pickle statements on Danny Shelton for President. What's interesting is that all along he has claimed that all the personal attacks against DS are warranted and just part of discovery for the law suit.
Weird. What I recall saying is that discovery dealing with certain topics was mandated by the issues placed in the lawsuit by Danny et. al. The necessity of Danny repenting and making restitution for his grievous sins is warranted by Scripture, if he wants to be saved.
Yet the big lawsuit they took all the way to the supreme court is done and over...nothing can change the fact that all along DS, 3ABN and their attorneys said that Pickle and Joy were absolutely crazy to think they could win their suit trying to get the stoppage dismissed.
Again, this is weird. We haven't sued anyone.
He acts like he has destroyed DS's reputation and credibility ....
Pardon me. Danny is the one who destroyed his own reputation and credibility by covering up child molestation, suing rather than repenting, receiving kickbacks from Remnant, divorcing Linda for unbiblical grounds, claiming that Linda had committed spiritual adultery yet replacing Linda in part by a pedophile, not treating his daughter similar to Linda when she became pregnant out of wedlock, marrying a purported porn star, permitting his new fling to be given a high position at 3ABN, etc.
Pickle and Joy have been squashed.
When?
How is it that DS and 3ABN continue to grow and that nearly 8 yrs after the divorce that people including church leadership all the way to the GC President support DS and 3ABN.
Certainly Ted Wilson does not condone unbiblical divorce, kickbacks, pedophilia, private inurement, and deceit.
In fact, none of the church people they first approached with all their lies support them now.
What lies?
Fact is all the judges, and courts up to the Supreme Court (how ridiculous they went that far) saw from the beginning that these 2 guys were ate up with arrogance and a vengeance that had nothing to do with legalities. Let's dwell on one important point. IF there were anything to any of their accusations wouldn't some judge at some point, through 6 years of legal battles, have seen it? Just one?
Certainly Judge Saylor saw it. The magistrate judge in southern Illinois certainly saw it, and said so. As far as the Supreme Court goes, that court doesn't have to take any case it doesn't want to. Up front they tell you that they don't fix mistaken applications of good laws. Their special interest is deciding unusual legal questions. And thus the Supreme Court has never declared that our position was without merit.
They have said they have all this evidence blah blah and all they ever had was he said, she said, or should I say, he lied, she lied.
And your name is Mercy? You've chosen a very misleading user name.
The documents we got from Remnant are not he said she said. Even Greg Simpson admitted that those documents prove that Remnant paid Danny for sales of his PPPA booklets to 3ABN, which payments by definition constituted kickbacks.
Now Mercy, if you want to demonstrate that you are not a bald face liar, and not shooting off your mouth about things you know nothing about, then publicly acknowledge that what we argued before receiving the Remnant documents was in fact true, that Danny was engaged in a kickback scheme with Remnant regarding his PPPA booklets. After all, Simpson admitted that the payments did occur.
But if you refuse to publicly admit such, you will instead demonstrate that your sole purpose is to smear our characters with spin, distortions, and lies.
Danny received kickbacks. Get over it, and move on.
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Re: Writ of Certiorari
by Truth » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:56 pm UTC
"Oh well. Jesus was convicted in several courts of law and sentenced to death for crimes against God and Man. Joseph was convicted and sent to prison. Paul and pretty much all the apostles were convicted and sentenced to death in courts of law. The forefathers of televangelists were the popes of Rome and the Leaders of the inquisition. Enjoy, our religious S&M friends! o_O" (Quoted from AT)
And who were Jesus' enemies? Who dogged Him at every step? Who tried to stop the good work He was doing? Who burned with jealosy of Him? Who turned Him in to be put on a cross? Who ran home while he was suffering and dying on the Cross to keep the Sabbath like good hypocrites? His fellow church members. Read Zachariah 13:6.
As it is today. Who are 3ABN's worst enemies? People who call themselves SDA's. People who proclaim they love 3ABN. Judas-traitors.
Yah, Pickle and Mundall, like Mercy said, MOVE ON.
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:) 3ABN isn't Jesus
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Re: Writ of Certiorari
by Truth » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:56 pm UTC
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... Who tried to stop the good work He was doing?
You're rather sick, "Truth," to call child molestation, taking kickbacks, private inurement, deception, unbiblical divorce, and malicious prosecution "good work."
If there's anything I've tried to stop, it is things from this list of evil wickedness, a fact you most certainly must be aware of. And yet you dare to liken our efforts to stop these things to efforts to stop Jesus' good work, which in effect calls these abominations "good work."
If you want to be consistent, call up 3ABN and accuse them of trying to stop "good work" when they criticize sin.
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Re: Writ of Certiorari
by Truth » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:56 pm UTC
Who are 3ABN's worst enemies? People who call themselves SDA's. People who proclaim they love 3ABN. Judas-traitors.
Interesting verbiage "Truth"
Rev. Jim Jones and the Jonestown Massacre
Rollingstone Magazine, Jan 25, 1979
"In the isolation of the jungle, in the intimacy of the pavilion, Jim Jones raged against the defectors. They were organized now, and the traitors ...?
One of North Korea's most brutal prisons for defectors and those who disagree with "Beloved Leader" Kim Jong Il is called "Yodok Concentration Camp: Home of Traitors"
Weird religious and leader-centric groups tend to focus a special attention and venom on the "traitors" or people who disagree with their delusions of supremacy, and/or escape their destructive clutches. Jones took legal action, launched smear campaigns and ended up murdering some of his "traitors." These cults thrive on the old "us v.s. them" ploy. There are some disturbing aspects to modern groups that we think of in terms of extinct medieval practices that died out with the inquisition. They are obsessed with looking within to find "traitors" and its what they love to do. Eventually, unless they experience drastic change, this inquisition style activity and obsession defines them.
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Here is an example of why Ronnie and Theresa would NOT want Bruce pointing a gun or shooting toward or across their property.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/12/2-students-shot-wounded-at-texas-middle-school/?intcmp=obinsite (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/12/2-students-shot-wounded-at-texas-middle-school/?intcmp=obinsite)
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Hunters can be dangerous.