Sources tell me that (a) today Tommy pled guilty to four felony counts, (b) the judge revoked his bail, (c) he is now in jail, (d) sentencing is scheduled for Feb. 24, and (e) he faces up to 20 years.
Some of this can be verified at http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuitcourtdocket/Default.aspx (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuitcourtdocket/Default.aspx), but only today. This confirms that Tommy did appear in court today, and that four felony counts were under consideration.
Here are partial screen shots of the information at the above page. The first is the info for Tommy, and the second is the info for his attorney, Kimberling Irving:(http://www.save-3abn.com/images/tommy-docket-01-18-12.gif)
(http://www.save-3abn.com/images/irving-docket-01-18-12.gif)
Thanks, Bob... so what happens next?
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The Fairfax case is criminal, not civil.Thanks, Bob... so what happens next?
This is the civil case, right?
So 3ABN is not involved here, or what?
I'm confused!
The Fairfax case is criminal, not civil.Thanks, Bob... so what happens next?
This is the civil case, right?
So 3ABN is not involved here, or what?
I'm confused!
Sources tell me that (a) today Tommy pled guilty to four felony counts, (b) the judge revoked his bail, (c) he is now in jail, (d) sentencing is scheduled for Feb. 24, and (e) he faces up to 20 years.Which case is this for? The January 23rd case for crimes against DT, January 30th case for cimes against AW, or does this include both cases?
Some of this can be verified at http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuitcourtdocket/Default.aspx (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuitcourtdocket/Default.aspx), but only today. This confirms that Tommy did appear in court today, and that four felony counts were under consideration.
Here are partial screen shots of the information at the above page. The first is the info for Tommy, and the second is the info for his attorney, Kimberling Irving:(http://www.save-3abn.com/images/tommy-docket-01-18-12.gif)
(http://www.save-3abn.com/images/irving-docket-01-18-12.gif)
Comparing Tommy Shelton to Jerry Sandusky would be very reasonable.
Well as usual, Pickles MO of uncredible sources and his own personal embellishments, rise again. What Bob wrote today is totally wrong. Tommy took an Alford plea which says "I am not guilty of these charges, but (paraphrased) everything is against me so I am taking this plea." 3 attorney's tell me this is completely different than pleading guilty.
Also he is not facing 20 years! Nothing even close to that. In fact, they are talking months, not years. Bob where do you get your information?
Why Bob did you not mention that Alex's case was completely dropped by the DA? Did your sources mess that up too or did you leave it out purposely? My guess would be purposely since the guy that you have backed for 2 years (as a means to get to Danny) has proven not to be credible at all. Otherwise, why would the DA drop a case unless she knew she couldn't win? Of course she couldn't. Alex has lied too many times and changed his story repeatedly...not the kind of witness you want on the stand. Remember all those times Alex denied his parents were against him? There will be proof shown that he lied about that also.
It's all falling apart Bob. Your precious gossip site has turned into a bunch of mad dogs snarling at each other with nobody telling the truth about anything.
Sources tell me that (a) today Tommy pled guilty to four felony counts, (b) the judge revoked his bail, (c) he is now in jail, (d) sentencing is scheduled for Feb. 24, and (e) he faces up to 20 years.Which case is this for? The January 23rd case for crimes against DT, January 30th case for cimes against AW, or does this include both cases?
Some of this can be verified at http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuitcourtdocket/Default.aspx (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuitcourtdocket/Default.aspx), but only today. This confirms that Tommy did appear in court today, and that four felony counts were under consideration.
Here are partial screen shots of the information at the above page. The first is the info for Tommy, and the second is the info for his attorney, Kimberling Irving:(http://www.save-3abn.com/images/tommy-docket-01-18-12.gif)
(http://www.save-3abn.com/images/irving-docket-01-18-12.gif)
I assume this means that TS traveled from MS to VA and is in the Fairfax County Jail. Is this correct?
Do you know any of the details of the plea deal? It may include prison time since TS's bail was revoked.
Will the 01-24-2012 hearing be the same type as the 11-15-2010 hearing (Hearing Type was "Report and Sentencing"), which is when Judge Bellows rejected the plea deal? If so, this plea deal could get rejected as well.
Who will the judge be for the 01-24-2012 hearing?
Thanks Bob, Vested Interest, Alex and others for any answers or information. There is much to pray about.
Comparing Tommy Shelton to Jerry Sandusky would be very reasonable.
I think I did that somewhere. Now I'll have to go looking!!
Sources tell me that (a) today Tommy pled guilty to four felony counts...
Definition: In the law of the United States, an Alford plea is a plea in criminal court. In this plea, the defendant does not admit the act and asserts innocence, but admits that sufficient evidence exists with which the prosecution could likely convince a judge or jury to find the defendant guilty.
Upon receiving an Alford plea from a defendant, the court may immediately pronounce the defendant guilty and impose sentence as if the defendant had otherwise been convicted of the crime. However, in many states, such as Massachusetts, a plea which "admits sufficient facts" more typically results in the case being continued without a finding and later dismissed.
It is the prospect of an ultimate dismissal of charges which engenders most pleas of this type.
Comparing Tommy Shelton to Jerry Sandusky would be very reasonable.
I think I did that somewhere. Now I'll have to go looking!!
Yup! Here it is:
http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,2206.msg33826.html#msg33826
Apparently the real "Sam" is too humiliated to admit personally that her account was hacked. Sam, if that's really the case, please don't take it as a personal reflection on you!! You are the victim here and cannot be blamed for the actions of the perpetrator. I've had an account hacked before and it is not a good feeling...a feeling of being violated in a weird sort of way.
Sam, you might take a lesson from Alex, who was violated in the worst sort of Sandusky way. Instead of hiding himself as you have done, Alex took a courageous step forward to bring the perpetrator to justice!! Way to go, Alex!
Walker v. Shelton!!! Take two...
you might take a lesson from Alex, who was violated in the worst sort of Sandusky way. Instead of hiding himself as you have done, Alex took a courageous step forward to bring the perpetrator to justice!! Way to go, Alex!
Walker v. Shelton!!! Take two...
If there is a January 23rd case and a January 30th case for Tommy Shelton, what happened today?
If there is a January 23rd case and a January 30th case for Tommy Shelton, what happened today?
Those court dates are cancelled now. The Prosecutor along with Alex, Dennis and Tommy agreed to a deal.
So today Tommy Shelton made the Alford plea in the state of Virginia's case in regards to Dennis Turley maintaining his innocence but agreeing to a lessor sentence and charges, and the Prosecutor dropped the State's case in regards to Alex Walker entirely.
The court isn't revealing information beyond that, but I am guessing that if Tommy is in jail awaiting sentencing ( possibly a couple of months) then the Judge agreed also. To find out more you'll need to ask Alex.
I've told you all I know, so am done posting about this.
Have a good night.
The following is from a July 29 2011 post here on Adventtalk: Reply #72
Topic: Tommy R. Sheltons trials are upon us.
Ms. Stott (assistant Commonwealth atty.) said the Circuit Court judge had to set the cases all the way into next year because of "calendar conflicts" on the part of Tommy's attorneys.
Four cases involving Tommy Shelton appeared on today's docket. Ms. Stott has explained the two additional cases (FE-2010-0001987 and FE-2010-0001988) are re-indictments of counts which as part of the July 2010 plea agreement she had asked not be prosecuted
Allegations by Dennis Turley:
Case # FE-2010-0000786
Case # FE-2010-0001987
Allegations by Alex Walker:
Case # FE-2010-0000787
Case # FE-2010-0001988
So it would appear that two of the cases regarding Alex Walker and Dennis Turley which were dropped earlier have been reinstated. (Check the case numbers, please). And the other two were never dropped.
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Well as usual, Pickles MO of uncredible sources and his own personal embellishments, rise again. What Bob wrote today is totally wrong. Tommy took an Alford plea which says "I am not guilty of these charges, but (paraphrased) everything is against me so I am taking this plea." 3 attorney's tell me this is completely different than pleading guilty.
Also he is not facing 20 years! Nothing even close to that. In fact, they are talking months, not years. Bob where do you get your information?
Why Bob did you not mention that Alex's case was completely dropped by the DA? Did your sources mess that up too or did you leave it out purposely? My guess would be purposely since the guy that you have backed for 2 years (as a means to get to Danny) has proven not to be credible at all. Otherwise, why would the DA drop a case unless she knew she couldn't win? Of course she couldn't. Alex has lied too many times and changed his story repeatedly...not the kind of witness you want on the stand. Remember all those times Alex denied his parents were against him? There will be proof shown that he lied about that also.
It's all falling apart Bob. Your precious gossip site has turned into a bunch of mad dogs snarling at each other with nobody telling the truth about anything.
Definition: In the law of the United States, an Alford plea is a plea in criminal court. In this plea, the defendant does not admit the act and asserts innocence, but admits that sufficient evidence exists with which the prosecution could likely convince a judge or jury to find the defendant guilty.
Upon receiving an Alford plea from a defendant, the court may immediately pronounce the defendant guilty and impose sentence as if the defendant had otherwise been convicted of the crime. However, in many states, such as Massachusetts, a plea which "admits sufficient facts" more typically results in the case being continued without a finding and later dismissed.
It is the prospect of an ultimate dismissal of charges which engenders most pleas of this type.
The facts are, Tommy appeared in court this morning and the Alford plea was accepted by the court. Alex's case is gone. It was full of inconsistencies and unprovable statements and the state's Attorney dropped it. All that remains is the sentencing for Dennis Turley's case as the Judge chose not to sentence TS today. His enemies may gloat or ridicule and scoff about him being taken out of court and to jail in a wheelchair but I am heartsick for him and for those here who can't let go of their hate.
Snoopy,
I am not "excited about the reduced charges". I was simply trying to supply truthful and factual information and thought members and readers would appreciate that as that is sadly lacking in this forum imho.
Your link is good as far as I am concerned and interesting in regard to the original Alford plea but I don't understand why you felt the need to post it twice. AFAIC it contradicts nothing I posted.
Be happy.
Now I am really saying, Good Night.
Sources tell me that (a) today Tommy pled guilty to four felony counts...
Misreporting.. unreliable sources...
http://crime.about.com/od/g_criminal/g/alfordplea.htmQuoteDefinition: In the law of the United States, an Alford plea is a plea in criminal court. In this plea, the defendant does not admit the act and asserts innocence, but admits that sufficient evidence exists with which the prosecution could likely convince a judge or jury to find the defendant guilty.
Upon receiving an Alford plea from a defendant, the court may immediately pronounce the defendant guilty and impose sentence as if the defendant had otherwise been convicted of the crime. However, in many states, such as Massachusetts, a plea which "admits sufficient facts" more typically results in the case being continued without a finding and later dismissed.
It is the prospect of an ultimate dismissal of charges which engenders most pleas of this type.
An Alford plea (also called a Kennedy plea, an Alford guilty plea and the Alford doctrine) in United States law is a guilty plea in criminal court, where the defendant does not admit the act and asserts innocence.
It may appear that way to you ( I don't doubt it does) but despite Pickle's lurking silence and Alex's convenient withdrawal from the discussions here, and their apparent inability to set the record straight, that is NOT true.
So today Tommy Shelton made the Alford plea in the state of Virginia's case in regards to D**** T**** maintaining his innocence but agreeing to a lessor sentence and charges, and the Prosecutor dropped the State's case in regards to Alex Walker entirely.
To find out more you'll need to ask Alex.
The following is from a July 29 2011 post here on Adventtalk: Reply #72
Topic: Tommy R. Sheltons trials are upon us.
Ms. Stott (assistant Commonwealth atty.) said the Circuit Court judge had to set the cases all the way into next year because of "calendar conflicts" on the part of Tommy's attorneys.
Four cases involving Tommy Shelton appeared on today's docket. Ms. Stott has explained the two additional cases (FE-2010-0001987 and FE-2010-0001988) are re-indictments of counts which as part of the July 2010 plea agreement she had asked not be prosecuted
Allegations by Dennis Turley:
Case # FE-2010-0000786
Case # FE-2010-0001987
Allegations by Alex Walker:
Case # FE-2010-0000787
Case # FE-2010-0001988
So it would appear that two of the cases regarding Alex Walker and Dennis Turley which were dropped earlier have been reinstated. (Check the case numbers, please). And the other two were never dropped.
It appears there are a couple of more things to say...
COTK:
It may appear that way to you ( I don't doubt it does) but despite Pickle's lurking silence and Alex's convenient withdrawal from the discussions here, and their apparent inability to set the record straight, that is NOT true. You can continue to attempt to talk over the truth and argue otherwise but you will just appear more foolish because you are just guessing and surmising rather than checking and verifying . The facts are not disputable and time will prove that.
The facts are, Tommy appeared in court this morning and the Alford plea was accepted by the court. Alex's case is gone. It was full of inconsistencies and unprovable statements and the state's Attorney dropped it. All that remains is the sentencing for Dennis Turley's case as the Judge chose not to sentence TS today.
His enemies may gloat or ridicule and scoff about him being taken out of court and to jail in a wheelchair but I am heartsick for him and for those here who can't let go of their hate.
Sources tell me that (a) today Tommy pled guilty to four felony counts...
Misreporting.. unreliable sources...
http://crime.about.com/od/g_criminal/g/alfordplea.htmQuoteDefinition: In the law of the United States, an Alford plea is a plea in criminal court. In this plea, the defendant does not admit the act and asserts innocence, but admits that sufficient evidence exists with which the prosecution could likely convince a judge or jury to find the defendant guilty.
Upon receiving an Alford plea from a defendant, the court may immediately pronounce the defendant guilty and impose sentence as if the defendant had otherwise been convicted of the crime. However, in many states, such as Massachusetts, a plea which "admits sufficient facts" more typically results in the case being continued without a finding and later dismissed.
It is the prospect of an ultimate dismissal of charges which engenders most pleas of this type.
Surmising yet again?
Quote from: WikiPediaAn Alford plea (also called a Kennedy plea, an Alford guilty plea and the Alford doctrine) in United States law is a guilty plea in criminal court, where the defendant does not admit the act and asserts innocence.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alford_plea)
Could you please explain for all of us how a person who makes an Alford guilty plea has not thereby pled guilty? Your logic seems flawed.
Re: Bob Pickle... a Jesuit?
Reply from Bob Pickle #81 on: July 16, 2011, 05:50:03 AM »
QuoteQuote from: Nosir Myzing on July 16, 2011, 03:44:37 AM
but ignored the following, the Judge went on to say:
"This submission doesn't even acknowledge that he committed the offense. . . . "
So you all claim he admitted guilt but the court said he didn't.
No. The court said that in the submission he didn't acknowledge that he committed the offense. But all reports still state that he pled guilty. No report that I've seen says that he instead submitted a no contest plea or Alford plea.
COTK:
It may appear that way to you ( I don't doubt it does) but despite Pickle's lurking silence and Alex's convenient withdrawal from the discussions here, and their apparent inability to set the record straight, that is NOT true. You can continue to attempt to talk over the truth and argue otherwise but you will just appear more foolish because you are just guessing and surmising rather than checking and verifying . The facts are not disputable and time will prove that.
The facts are, Tommy appeared in court this morning and the Alford plea was accepted by the court. Alex's case is gone. It was full of inconsistencies and unprovable statements and the state's Attorney dropped it. All that remains is the sentencing for Dennis Turley's case as the Judge chose not to sentence TS today.
His enemies may gloat or ridicule and scoff about him being taken out of court and to jail in a wheelchair but I am heartsick for him and for those here who can't let go of their hate.
Nosir,
If Alex's case was dropped, all four case numbers are still on Friday's docket at 8:00 am this morning. This is not when the trials were supposed to take place nor the sentancing, merely the consideration of the pleas. This should be up on the docket until midnight Friday when all cases listed on Friday's docket are taken down. If I see that two of them are taken down before then, your argument might have some substance. Otherwise I will trust the official court postings. May I ask, were you in court or did somebody fill you in on the court happenings?
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Re: Danny Shelton Servant of God
Quote from: Snoopy on: December 03, 2011, 10:29:30 AM »
Apparently the real "Sam" is too humiliated to admit personally that her account was hacked. Sam, if that's really the case, please don't take it as a personal reflection on you!! You are the victim here and cannot be blamed for the actions of the perpetrator. I've had an account hacked before and it is not a good feeling...a feeling of being violated in a weird sort of way.
Wow... an observation and question, Snoopy. Have you or others here ever noticed how sometimes darkness is actually palpable, and how anger can drown out reason, love and mercy?
Of course we will continue to post on the other site as you say. I didn't realize a rule was violated in my post or that Sam and even Sam's words were banned here until now, so my apologies if they were.
I thought you had honestly posted the following:QuoteRe: Danny Shelton Servant of God
Quote from: Snoopy on: December 03, 2011, 10:29:30 AM »
Apparently the real "Sam" is too humiliated to admit personally that her account was hacked. Sam, if that's really the case, please don't take it as a personal reflection on you!! You are the victim here and cannot be blamed for the actions of the perpetrator. I've had an account hacked before and it is not a good feeling...a feeling of being violated in a weird sort of way.
My bad. Perhaps I was mistaken... or you weren't being sincere? If so I am sorry. I actually believed you. I don't know how Sam could be called to admit to anything personally if not allowed to speak or even be quoted, again I am sorry if that upset you.
How about I post my take, thoughts, and questions to Bob instead while acknowledging that they are in sync with others? (an Amen) I hope and pray that that will be acceptable here and doesn't violate any posted rules. I can't see how the content does or I wouldn't post it but you can judge, as can the other admins and members. Whether here or on our forum.
Notice as he was being informed by the DA that they were dropping his case that he turned his attention to Dryden and started talking about his own alleged terrible health problems? Same ole' same ole'. Well at least you have to admit that he got you all ...hook, line and sinker! When TS had a quadruple bypass and then a massive stroke 7 months ago you all wanted medical records to prove it even though you knew the judge saw the authentic records and put the trial off for all these months because of those records. But not one person here asked Alex to show his records to prove he was having seizures.
Notice as he was being informed by the DA that they were dropping his case that he turned his attention to Dryden and started talking about his own alleged terrible health problems? Same ole' same ole'. Well at least you have to admit that he got you all ...hook, line and sinker! When TS had a quadruple bypass and then a massive stroke 7 months ago you all wanted medical records to prove it even though you knew the judge saw the authentic records and put the trial off for all these months because of those records. But not one person here asked Alex to show his records to prove he was having seizures.
Give me a break!! You cannot ask anyone in their right mind to compare Alex with TS!! ALEX IS NOT THE SICKO PERPETRATOR WHO COULDN'T KEEP HIS GRUBBY ADULT MITTS OFF INNOCENT CHILDREN!! After what TS did to him, I don't see how Alex should have to prove a medical condition any of us... TS IS THE PERVERT HERE, NOT ALEX!!
ok? Not sure that's true... but in any case if you choose to apply double standards and be partial in judgment I can't stop you. Nor will the Lord unless you ask him.
I'm done posting in this thread.
Laters...
Sources have clarified the case numbers in the following manner:Bob,
- Case 786 contains five charges or counts pertaining to DT.
- Case 787 contains four charges or counts pertaining to AW.
- Case 1987 contains four charges or counts pertaining to DT.
- Case 1988 contains two charges or counts pertaining to AW.
The charges in the latter two cases are re-indictments of counts that the prosecutor agreed in the July 2010 plea agreement not to prosecute.
So if Tommy pled guilty yesterday to four felony charges, then it would appear that that guilty plea was probably exchanged for dropping AW's case.
AW's case was different than DT's case in that there was a corroborating witness in DT's case, and there wasn't in AW's case. If AW and DT could have been tried together, that could have helped. But as it was, it was only AW's word against Tommy's.
Bob,
why not admit that either you and or your sources continue to be liars.
The courts never bought your lies about DS and 3ABN even though you wasted years of your lives trying to prove the unprovable.
You say TS pleaded guilty and leave out the Alfred plea is used for innocent people that want to take a plea for all kinds of different reasons, but can stand up in court and say they are not guilty, plea or no plea.
You also left out that Alex's case is now dropped.
Please be man enough to say that you hate TS, DS and 3ABN so much that you jumped the gun wanting to appear to be soooo in the know, that you took a risk and wrote what you wanted to happen about TS's case hoping it would be true?
Does it surpise any of you that Alex knew even as he was writing the last few days that TR was not pleading guilty and that he Alex had been dropped, yet continued to talk, talk, and talk?
Sources have clarified the case numbers in the following manner:Bob,
- Case 786 contains five charges or counts pertaining to DT.
- Case 787 contains four charges or counts pertaining to AW.
- Case 1987 contains four charges or counts pertaining to DT.
- Case 1988 contains two charges or counts pertaining to AW.
The charges in the latter two cases are re-indictments of counts that the prosecutor agreed in the July 2010 plea agreement not to prosecute.
So if Tommy pled guilty yesterday to four felony charges, then it would appear that that guilty plea was probably exchanged for dropping AW's case.
AW's case was different than DT's case in that there was a corroborating witness in DT's case, and there wasn't in AW's case. If AW and DT could have been tried together, that could have helped. But as it was, it was only AW's word against Tommy's.
Do you know what class the four felony charges are and the type of the charges? I believe the sentence range would depend on the class.
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Edited to remove inappropriate content. Sam was caught here using multiple IDs and then ran and hid under a rock when found out. Please keep his/her comments at the smut site where they belong.
Re: Danny Shelton Servant of God
Quote from: Snoopy on: December 03, 2011, 10:29:30 AM »
Apparently the real "Sam" is too humiliated to admit personally that her account was hacked. Sam, if that's really the case, please don't take it as a personal reflection on you!! You are the victim here and cannot be blamed for the actions of the perpetrator. I've had an account hacked before and it is not a good feeling...a feeling of being violated in a weird sort of way.
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Edited to remove inappropriate content. Sam was caught here using multiple IDs and then ran and hid under a rock when found out. Please keep his/her comments at the smut site where they belong.
Re: Danny Shelton Servant of God
Quote from: Snoopy on: December 03, 2011, 10:29:30 AM »
Apparently the real "Sam" is too humiliated to admit personally that her account was hacked. Sam, if that's really the case, please don't take it as a personal reflection on you!! You are the victim here and cannot be blamed for the actions of the perpetrator. I've had an account hacked before and it is not a good feeling...a feeling of being violated in a weird sort of way.
Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender…..really sad.
“Did anyone catch the fact that when Alex gets exposed he always claims he is having great physical problems..he seems to think this gives him an out..for telling his lies. You all do know about Alex's claims of having a brain tumor and all the other claims he has made to his family in attempts to get their sympathy. Problem is.....He didn't have a brain tumor!! Another lie!”
That has been Tommy Shelton’s modus operandi over the past few decades! Could be common behavior of abused people…dunno.
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“I'm done posting in this thread.
Laters...”
You do exactly what Alex is doing – the hit and run. Guess if you do it and he does it then it makes a ‘right’.
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NoSir – seems to me that you have an intimate relationship with Tommy Shelton. (I’m presuming of course when I read you refer to him as TR (Tommy Ray)). Is he remorseful for what he’s done? Not just for abusing Dennis, but is he remorseful for abusing any or all of his victims? Is he remorseful for hurting his Congregation in DL?
I have so far heard two conflicting reports of Tommy Shelton's emotional reactions to his behavior.
One, that he was remorseful and tried to convince of a judge of that in the past,
And two, that he is not remorseful because he is innocent of any wrong doing toward underage boys.
Which is it?
you might take a lesson from Alex, who was violated in the worst sort of Sandusky way. Instead of hiding himself as you have done, Alex took a courageous step forward to bring the perpetrator to justice!! Way to go, Alex!
Walker v. Shelton!!! Take two...
His case didn't hold water. The Virginia prosecutor dropped it like a hot potato.
NOSIR - Since I know personally all of the parties in this little drama except for Alex and Bob perhaps you will listen to what I have to say. Then again, perhaps not. I know that DS and TS are very capable of lying or giving only one side of the story and presenting it in such a way that the receiver of said information is left believing a lie. One of those occasions was when Duane left 3ABN. At that point I was an employee and the story given to us (employees) was not the real story. I was well aware of the real story. Or when Kenny and Tammy were let go. Again, the story given to the employees was not the real story.
So, nosirmizing, after reading many of your posts vs. what others have posted here, the one I have the most difficulty believing is you since you have posted many things denying what I know from personal experience with DS & TS are true. And no; I don't hate either one of them. I just hope they will make their peace with God and admit the things they have done.
Keith Owen
Now this is a complete lie and YOU know it. Would anyone like to call Kathy Stott and ask her the reason's why my case was dropped?
I do think it worth mentioning here that Illinois is a "fire at will" state meaning that you don't have to even give a reason for firing someone. If you are unhappy with their work, attitude, etc etc you can let them go without explanation, you certainly don't have to explain all, or even anything, to other employees or anyone else, about why a employee quit or were fired and due to privacy concerns most employers, even in other states don't.
Back in the old days, liability insurance covered claims of sexual assualt.
In the Odenthal litigation against the SDA Church, it was Chubb Insurance that ended up paying for the financial settlement, less the deductable.
Those days have largely gone the way of the duck-billed platypus. Current policies largely exempt coverage for claims sexual contact. And, policies are now often excluding coverage for anything posted on the Internet that results in a liability claim.
I have so far heard two conflicting reports of Tommy Shelton's emotional reactions to his behavior.
One, that he was remorseful and tried to convince of a judge of that in the past,
And two, that he is not remorseful because he is innocent of any wrong doing toward underage boys.
Which is it?
HAHA!! Good point, Artiste!!
There's no wiggling out of this one, no matter how accomplished one's worm-like qualities are...
Back in the old days, liability insurance covered claims of sexual assualt.
In the Odenthal litigation against the SDA Church, it was Chubb Insurance that ended up paying for the financial settlement, less the deductable.
Those days have largely gone the way of the duck-billed platypus. Current policies largely exempt coverage for claims sexual contact. And, policies are now often excluding coverage for anything posted on the Internet that results in a liability claim.
Gregory, you need to brush up on your history and geography. :oops: The duck-billed platypus is alive and well throughout Australia and quite a tourist attraction in many parts of Australia. :australia: Please acknowledge your ignorance regarding this fact and give credit for our natural heritage. :help:
Back in the old days, liability insurance covered claims of sexual assualt.
In the Odenthal litigation against the SDA Church, it was Chubb Insurance that ended up paying for the financial settlement, less the deductable.
Those days have largely gone the way of the duck-billed platypus. Current policies largely exempt coverage for claims sexual contact. And, policies are now often excluding coverage for anything posted on the Internet that results in a liability claim.
Gregory, you need to brush up on your history and geography. :oops: The duck-billed platypus is alive and well throughout Australia and quite a tourist attraction in many parts of Australia. :australia: Please acknowledge your ignorance regarding this fact and give credit for our natural heritage. :help:
Chrissie!!!!!!! SO GOOD TO SEE YOU!! :puppykisses: :puppykisses: :puppykisses:
Your personal experience involves a year and a half at 3ABN, 23-22 years ago, right? Mine goes up to the present.
In his posts he maintains he was fired for being a whistle blower about 3ABN operating on a volunteer basis on Sabbaths, and asking employees to volunteer. Sabbath keepers can most likely understand why this occurred, and how this issue comes up in SDA ministries, but he wasn't and isn't Adventist.
He has also claimed in his posts that he was told that he was let go because of having a bad attitude.
My point: Even in a "fire at will" State, sometimes an employer may have to give a reason and the employer must comply with other laws that may trump the fire at will provisions of the law.
I acknowledge my ignorance. Thank you for the correction. I have never claimed perfect knowledge.
:) :)
Maybe someday I can visit Australia.
I acknowledge my ignorance. Thank you for the correction. I have never claimed perfect knowledge.
:) :)
Maybe someday I can visit Australia.
We seem to fit in the same boat
I acknowledge my ignorance. Thank you for the correction. I have never claimed perfect knowledge.
:) :)
Maybe someday I can visit Australia.
We seem to fit in the same boat
So, Johann and Gregory are going by boat to Australia?? :dunno:
:dogwag:
I acknowledge my ignorance. Thank you for the correction. I have never claimed perfect knowledge.
:) :)
Maybe someday I can visit Australia.
We seem to fit in the same boat
So, Johann and Gregory are going by boat to Australia?? :dunno:
:dogwag:
My reason for bringing up something (Duane, Kenny, Tammy) that happened more than 20 years ago was to establish a pattern that DS has shown. A pattern of twisting the truth to fit his own agenda. Yes, I know Kenny and Tammy are back in Danny's good graces. I have talked with one of Tammy's sons. The "right to fire" law does not make it OK for a Christian to fire someone for a personal reason. A Christian should be Christ-like even when the law doesn't require. DS said Duane was fired for a bad attitude. If he had one it is somewhat understandable considering he had to work with TS now and then. He was really fired for turning 3ABN in to the Department of Labor & Industries for forcing volunteer labor from Fri sundown to Sat sundown and for refusing to pay overtime for an hourly position. 3ABN administration (including DS) could have and should have known that was illegal. As for my knowing nothing about what is currently happening; I still have friends who work for 3ABN. I won't name them because I don't want to get them in any trouble. I also have friends that watch 3ABN regularly and tell me what is happening. I also receive regular e-mails from 3ABN giving updates on what they are doing.
Since leaving 3ABN I have remained active in TV and radio ministry. I was an engineer for Life Talk Radio when they first went on the air in Yakima, WA. I volunteered as an engineer and video director for Blue Mountain TV for 3 years. Currently I produce a weekly TV program for the Central SDA Church in Salem, OR and am friends with the producer/director for Better Life Television.
Keith Owen
From the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/please-deal-for-fairfax-pastor-accused-of-sex-abuse/2012/01/23/gIQA4785NQ_blog.html
Well apparently either Tommy or 3ABN has summoned their insurance company to pay for their representation against me in the civil suit.
The insurance company is saying NO! They are saying they are not responsible for tort claims.
Because of this the insurance company has served Tommy, 3ABN and myself with papers.
They are petitioning the court to make a ruling that they are not responsible.
Well apparently either Tommy or 3ABN has summoned their insurance company to pay for their representation against me in the civil suit.
The insurance company is saying NO! They are saying they are not responsible for tort claims.
Because of this the insurance company has served Tommy, 3ABN and myself with papers.
They are petitioning the court to make a ruling that they are not responsible.
Alex, are you at liberty to say who the insurance company is?
It is the Virginia Surety Company.
And it was 3ABN's insurance not Tommy's!
Founded in 1927, Virginia Surety Company, Inc. (VSC) (rated A- by A.M. Best Company, November 23, 2010), is the principal U.S. property and casualty insurance company of The Warranty Group. In conjunction with The Warranty Group, VSC's focus is to implement profitable, innovative solutions that deliver benchmark results. Offering a wide array of insured service plans and warranty products to the auto, recreational, consumer electronics, appliance, home and commercial industries, each product uniquely benefits from VSC's underwriting expertise and customer focus. VSC and its affiliate companies have built a leadership position as one of the largest underwriters of insured service plans and warranty products in the world.
It is the Virginia Surety Company.
And it was 3ABN's insurance not Tommy's!
That is what I expected - that 3ABN is the insured party making the insurance claim.