Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Mary Sue Smith on May 30, 2008, 07:07:12 AM
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Wednesday was the first meeting and 3ABN broke a record on the number of people there, over 1000 on the first night! They expect 1800 by Sabbath. I'd say there are a lot of full motels in the area.
Danny Shelton opened the meeting with a few songs with the audience, then he introduced his sister and her husband, Tammy and Bruce Chance who presented a check to him for their work for 3ABN in the amount of $215,000. It was exciting to see how God has blessed their work.
Several people sang, then Danny introduced Jim Gilley who introduced the speaker for the evening.
Thursday night was a question/answer period with a panel of men: Elder Stephen Bohr/John Lomecang/Elder Tucker from the Quiet Hour/Elder Kenneth Cox/David Asshereck (sp?)/C.A. Murray and a few others. God has blessed with Godly men who know their Bibles well.
I really look forward to this week-end of meetings. I know God is going to bless abundantly!!
I want to encourage everyone to watch these meetings.
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Junebug,
How come the morality at 3ABN is at such a low level that they had Danny and Tammy both on the first night? Isn't that a bit brazen?
What was this about a check for $215,000? Where did that come from? Who wrote the check? Who was it made out to? Where did the funds come from?
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You know, Bob, you raise some great questions! Was this check supposed to represent e-bay proceeds? I would have expected proceeds from e-bay transactions to go directly into a 3ABN controlled account, subject to 3ABN reconciliation processes and 3ABN audits. So why would there be a need for a check to be written? This implies that these proceeds are being directed into a third-party account and then disbursed to 3ABN via a check. I wonder who audits that? What assurance is given that ALL the money is disbursed to 3ABN?
Junebug,
How come the morality at 3ABN is at such a low level that they had Danny and Tammy both on the first night? Isn't that a bit brazen?
What was this about a check for $215,000? Where did that come from? Who wrote the check? Who was it made out to? Where did the funds come from?
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Naw, thanks anyway. There is enough hypocrisy in life without getting to watch it on
Adventist non-denominational television. I did hear from someone who watched, though, that there was a panel discussion on divorce with Danny sitting right there... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Wednesday was the first meeting and 3ABN broke a record on the number of people there, over 1000 on the first night! They expect 1800 by Sabbath. I'd say there are a lot of full motels in the area.
Danny Shelton opened the meeting with a few songs with the audience, then he introduced his sister and her husband, Tammy and Bruce Chance who presented a check to him for their work for 3ABN in the amount of $215,000. It was exciting to see how God has blessed their work.
Several people sang, then Danny introduced Jim Gilley who introduced the speaker for the evening.
Thursday night was a question/answer period with a panel of men: Elder Stephen Bohr/John Lomecang/Elder Tucker from the Quiet Hour/Elder Kenneth Cox/David Asshereck (sp?)/C.A. Murray and a few others. God has blessed with Godly men who know their Bibles well.
I really look forward to this week-end of meetings. I know God is going to bless abundantly!!
I want to encourage everyone to watch these meetings.
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Not necessarily. Maybe she has repented, if she has something to repent about.
But Danny knows this has recently become an issue. What he has done in the past is parade the accused in front of the cameras as if there wasn't anything wrong in the world, which makes people think that there can't be anything wrong, because surely if there had been something wrong then Danny wouldn't do that.
Think back if you will to the Aug. 10, 2006, broadcast in which they all said they wouldn't defend themselves while they did exactly that. How many times has Danny ranted against networks begging for money and then done exactly that. In Channel of Blessing he even says on page 93, "Never again did I consider myself more important than anyone else nor brag about anything I might have accomplished." Then when he does it you know he didn't do it, because how could he really be doing it if he just told you he's never done it since he was in little league?
And remember the MAP Seminar, how Tommy was taking heat online, and Danny used him at the MAP Seminar, and hijacked a bit of the program to make a case why he should still be at 3ABN.
So of course Tammy may have repented, if she has something to repent about. But why have her out there on opening night like that? And was the check having to do with eBay? Was that a signal that everything has to be all right with the eBay sales? Why use opening night to try to deflect criticism in this manner instead of truly answering people's questions? And that's been my concern from the beginning: No questions answered, just psycho techniques to get people to stop asking questions.
If Danny and Tammy could be on stage last night for a program that leads into programs dedicated to the 10 Commandments, why couldn't Linda? That's my basic question.
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A year and a half ago I was wondering why Linda was axed in 2004 if Tommy wasn't in 2003 and Melody wasn't in 2005. That huge discrepancy made me think that Danny didn't get rid of Linda over allegations involving a moral question.
And Junebug's report just causes all the old questions to resurface. If Danny wasn't axed for divorcing his wife on non-biblical grounds in 2004, and if Tammy wasn't axed whenever for whatever, why was Linda axed? It doesn't make any sense to me. And why isn't she invited back? Why doesn't Danny invite her on the platform opening night? What great sin has she committed and never repented of, greater than the sins of those who cast the stones?
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Did you ever look up 3ABN ebay sales
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A little bit. Not much.
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Does Tammy Chance have something to do with ebay sales?
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A year and a half ago I was wondering why Linda was axed in 2004 if Tommy wasn't in 2003 and Melody wasn't in 2005. That huge discrepancy made me think that Danny didn't get rid of Linda over allegations involving a moral question.
And Junebug's report just causes all the old questions to resurface. If Danny wasn't axed for divorcing his wife on non-biblical grounds in 2004, and if Tammy wasn't axed whenever for whatever, why was Linda axed? It doesn't make any sense to me. And why isn't she invited back? Why doesn't Danny invite her on the platform opening night? What great sin has she committed and never repented of, greater than the sins of those who cast the stones?
Those all sound like good questions.
Do the various confirmed and alleged actions of Danny, Tommy, Tammy, and Melody (among other members of the family) constitute reason to believe that most of the Shelton family have an underlying and long term problem with morality issues?
If this were true, what would it mean for 3ABN?
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A little bit. Not much.
Does anyone have the user id of 3ABN on ebay
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3ABN e-Bay sales! Oh what a story! Why a separate check? That is a VERY GOOD question. I think the IRS already knows about their problems in the past!
In April or May, 2006, Tammy Shelton-Chance announced they had sold $2.4 million since February! Income is really down! However, there will be the barn sale at the end of the Sabbath and Sunday. Maybe that sale will garner much more income for this year. It still won't beat what they reported in May, 2006.
Has anyone ever looked at what is sold on 3ABN eBay? Last year they finally admitted, on the air, that other sellers are selling for them. A fact denied up to that date! Others have been selling for 3ABN for years. Where did the money go?
I believe I better be quiet. Sabbath is coming on. I would like to wish everybody a happy Sabbath. I love you all!
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Oh yes! don_3abn. The name of the store, after many, many, many changes trying to drop off past feedback, is now 3 ANGELS GIFT SHOP.
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Oh yes! don_3abn. The name of the store, after many, many, many changes trying to drop off past feedback, is now 3 ANGELS GIFT SHOP.
What would be the purpose of dropping off feedback, unless it is really bad. How bad can the feedback be in dealing with books?? Or do they sell other stuff
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Oh yes! don_3abn. The name of the store, after many, many, many changes trying to drop off past feedback, is now 3 ANGELS GIFT SHOP.
What would be the purpose of dropping off feedback, unless it is really bad. How bad can the feedback be in dealing with books?? Or do they sell other stuff
Out of curiosity I checked 3 ABN out. This is what the promo says. Suprised so many donations to keep an ebay store stocked
We are a television ministry that receives a wide variety of items from our viewers that want to support this ministry. We sell coins, handmade items, pottery, china, silverware,dolls and so much more. We add to our inventory and auctions several times a week so shop with us for fantastic deals!!
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Wednesday was the first meeting and 3ABN broke a record on the number of people there, over 1000 on the first night! They expect 1800 by Sabbath. I'd say there are a lot of full motels in the area.
Someone tells me that it looked like there was 200 or 250 people there. Do you have any pictures that show 1000 there?
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Wednesday was the first meeting and 3ABN broke a record on the number of people there, over 1000 on the first night! They expect 1800 by Sabbath. I'd say there are a lot of full motels in the area.
Someone tells me that it looked like there was 200 or 250 people there. Do you have any pictures that show 1000 there?
Were Junebug and your contact talking about the same meeting?
How could there be that big a discrepancy in numbers?
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Background, Prior to Tammy and Bruce Chance handling 3ABN eBay sales, nan_don did it. Nan handles all the inquires. They moved to Texas and opened another eBay site, nan_don out of Van, Texas. They create/mold Pie Bird figurines. They used to sell on the 3ABN site. When they moved, Tammy and Bruce eventually ended up doing the eBay thing. Prices were good and products sold were mostly highly wanted items.
In 2006, Nan_ Don sold everything in their warehouse. Yeah, even their molds were sold as one whole lot. They re-opened, and it was all new. Do they still sell for 3ABN? I think that changes when they stopped producing the old molds in maybe early Feb 2007. It could have been 2006. I will have to check their feedback and notes again.
Notice that when they moved, nan_don kept the user id. 3ABN had to change theirs. Interesting, to say the least.
These 3ABN eBay posts probably need to be in a new thread called 3ABN eBay.
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Background, Prior to Tammy and Bruce Chance handling 3ABN eBay sales, nan_don did it. Nan handles all the inquires. They moved to Texas and opened another eBay site, nan_don out of Van, Texas. They create/mold Pie Bird figurines. They used to sell on the 3ABN site. When they moved, Tammy and Bruce eventually ended up doing the eBay thing. Prices were good and products sold were mostly highly wanted items.
In 2006, Nan_ Don sold everything in their warehouse. Yeah, even their molds were sold as one whole lot. They re-opened, and it was all new. Do they still sell for 3ABN? I think that changes when they stopped producing the old molds in maybe early Feb 2007. It could have been 2006. I will have to check their feedback and notes again.
Notice that when they moved, nan_don kept the user id. 3ABN had to change theirs. Interesting, to say the least.
These 3ABN eBay posts probably need to be in a new thread called 3ABN eBay.
Really just curious. Usually people don't like to change user ID's. The new rating system is convoluted to say the least. Just went into effect and from now on feedback can't be transferred to a new user ID
3ABN is still the name of the store connected with don_3abn
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AMEN! Habanero! But Mr. Pickle doesn't have those scruples. He is more interested in his slash and burn tactics that he is trying to execute from his pedestal of pious perfection. He doesn't care who he hurts as long as he "wins" - whatever that is at this point. Guess children are just collateral damage in his world.[/quote]
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What a joke! If you or your "someone" bothered to watch even a few minutes (oh gasp, you might receive a blessing and wouldn't want that to happen) you would have seen that your "someone" was about as far out in left feild as they could get without being in the bleachers. But of course you would want to beleive the worst, you would also want to state it in public so other people would think it true. Drop the pompous platitutds and take a look and you will see how wrong you are and your "someone."
Wednesday was the first meeting and 3ABN broke a record on the number of people there, over 1000 on the first night! They expect 1800 by Sabbath. I'd say there are a lot of full motels in the area.
Someone tells me that it looked like there was 200 or 250 people there. Do you have any pictures that show 1000 there?
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What a lovely tone of voice you have "anyman". I know I sure want to watch and attend so I can be just like you. :help:
What a joke! If you or your "someone" bothered to watch even a few minutes (oh gasp, you might receive a blessing and wouldn't want that to happen) you would have seen that your "someone" was about as far out in left feild as they could get without being in the bleachers. But of course you would want to beleive the worst, you would also want to state it in public so other people would think it true. Drop the pompous platitutds and take a look and you will see how wrong you are and your "someone."
Wednesday was the first meeting and 3ABN broke a record on the number of people there, over 1000 on the first night! They expect 1800 by Sabbath. I'd say there are a lot of full motels in the area.
Someone tells me that it looked like there was 200 or 250 people there. Do you have any pictures that show 1000 there?
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What a lovely tone of voice you have "anyman". I know I sure want to watch and attend so I can be just like you. :help:
I couldn't help but think that his tone sounded very much like DS himself. :hot:
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Chrissie I am addressing this post to you since you are a moderator of this thread. Post #19 - which I wrote - has been edited by Artiste. This is a joke! Additionally, the post I replied to has disappeared without mention, without a trace. Artiste is not a moderator of this thread and therefore does not have the authority to edit posts.
What a lovely tone of voice you have "anyman". I know I sure want to watch and attend so I can be just like you. :help:
I couldn't help but think that his tone sounded very much like DS himself. :hot:
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Anyman, I really don't think you are in a position to state who does and does not have permission to moderate threads. Artiste has joined the moderating team which is much appreciated. And while I don't know what arrangements have been worked out between Artiste and Daryl, your statements are out of line. If you have an issue with the forum, I suggest you take it up in the "Forum Concerns" thread or PM Daryl.
Chrissie I am addressing this post to you since you are a moderator of this thread. Post #19 - which I wrote - has been edited by Artiste. This is a joke! Additionally, the post I replied to has disappeared without mention, without a trace. Artiste is not a moderator of this thread and therefore does not have the authority to edit posts.
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Oh yes! don_3abn. The name of the store, after many, many, many changes trying to drop off past feedback, is now 3 ANGELS GIFT SHOP.
What would be the purpose of dropping off feedback, unless it is really bad. How bad can the feedback be in dealing with books?? Or do they sell other stuff
Out of curiosity I checked 3 ABN out. This is what the promo says. Suprised so many donations to keep an ebay store stocked
We are a television ministry that receives a wide variety of items from our viewers that want to support this ministry. We sell coins, handmade items, pottery, china, silverware,dolls and so much more. We add to our inventory and auctions several times a week so shop with us for fantastic deals!!
One would think that all the interested 'players' would be so busy with the ministry of 3abn, that they wouldn't have time to be flogging their wares on EBay? Oh well, I guess it gives them MORE income than if they held raffles or fetes. :oops:
It's just a really novel idea to me, as I always thought that if one is caught up in ministry, there was really no time left for these kind of things. :dunno:
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Chrissie I am addressing this post to you since you are a moderator of this thread. Post #19 - which I wrote - has been edited by Artiste. This is a joke! Additionally, the post I replied to has disappeared without mention, without a trace. Artiste is not a moderator of this thread and therefore does not have the authority to edit posts.
I beg your pardon anyman. Artiste has as much right as any other moderator to edit a post.
Please give her the respect that her position demands.
What a lovely tone of voice you have "anyman". I know I sure want to watch and attend so I can be just like you. :help:
I couldn't help but think that his tone sounded very much like DS himself. :hot:
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The post that you were responding to addressed one particular instance, but the principle behind it applies very much to some people at 3ABN who have done precisely what you state below. As long as a person "wins" it doesn't matter who gets hurt along the way. I have a problem with it no matter which side it comes from, and it has certainly been part of the MO on the 3ABN team. Cruelty and empathy are mutually exclusive. When a person execises empathy toward a person they are not capable of performing cruelty on them. When they are exercising cruelty it is in the absence of empathy. The two cannot coexist. Before opening up a can of worms (or inventing one) that will uneccessarily harm innocent people or revictimize people who have already been hurt, it behooves us to put ourselves in the shoes of the little victims on the side, empathize, see it from their perspective, understand the pain that we will be puting them through, and rethink. I don't think that anyone in this fiasco would consider themselves cruel, but it is like the frog in the frying pan. One decision at a time, one impulsive statement or act, one bit of self justification that makes the infliction of pain on an innocent person just a matter of collateral damage neccessary to winning the bigger war that will benefit the ministry, the Lord, the church, or whatever "greater good" is being used as justification, cruelty becomes an unseen and unrecognized part of self.
AMEN! Habanero! But Mr. Pickle doesn't have those scruples. He is more interested in his slash and burn tactics that he is trying to execute from his pedestal of pious perfection. He doesn't care who he hurts as long as he "wins" - whatever that is at this point. Guess children are just collateral damage in his world.
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AMEN! Habanero! But Mr. Pickle doesn't have those scruples. He is more interested in his slash and burn tactics that he is trying to execute from his pedestal of pious perfection. He doesn't care who he hurts as long as he "wins" - whatever that is at this point. Guess children are just collateral damage in his world.
If you will re-read my original post, I was suggesting an easy way to prove that you are correct that some allegations are simply lies, and was making it quite plain that I would assist in the vindication of the accused.
I think your reaction here suggests that you very well know that some allegations are not lies.
It would have been wonderful if Adam and Eve's sin had never affected anyone but themselves, but things just don't work that way on this planet. I certainly wish they did.
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http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html (http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html) shows rotating pictures of Jim Gilley, Ken Cox, and Danny Shelton.
Thus 3ABN is sending a very clear signal that it is business at usual at 3ABN, and that they have thrown ethics to the wind.
When in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church have we ever seen the like, when someone gets caught red-handed doing so many things contrary to our faith, standards, and principles, and he still is in the limelight? When?
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If the limelight is one's own family business, the can shine it wherever they want. Thats when.
http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html (http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html) shows rotating pictures of Jim Gilley, Ken Cox, and Danny Shelton.
Thus 3ABN is sending a very clear signal that it is business at usual at 3ABN, and that they have thrown ethics to the wind.
When in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church have we ever seen the like, when someone gets caught red-handed doing so many things contrary to our faith, standards, and principles, and he still is in the limelight? When?
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If the limelight is one's own family business, the can shine it wherever they want. Thats when.
http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html (http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html) shows rotating pictures of Jim Gilley, Ken Cox, and Danny Shelton.
Thus 3ABN is sending a very clear signal that it is business at usual at 3ABN, and that they have thrown ethics to the wind.
When in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church have we ever seen the like, when someone gets caught red-handed doing so many things contrary to our faith, standards, and principles, and he still is in the limelight? When?
Exactly.
I think that light is blinding them, the BOD and those that continue to look the other way at the whole situation.
It's ok though, because eventually that light burns out, and the true light reveals what's really there.
This clearly isn't the SDA church - this is a independent ministry that takes support and money from members of the SDA church, as well as those not in the SDA church. Everyones money works the same.
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I don't know bout that. Word on the street is that the BOD came within one vote of a firing a couple of weeks ago. Things could be changing. As for being a "ministry" in the tax case the court called it a family commercial enterprise.
Exactly.
I think that light is blinding them, the BOD and those that continue to look the other way at the whole situation.
It's ok though, because eventually that light burns out, and the true light reveals what's really there.
This clearly isn't the SDA church - this is a independent ministry that takes support and money from members of the SDA church, as well as those not in the SDA church. Everyones money works the same.
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I don't know bout that. Word on the street is that the BOD came within one vote of a firing a couple of weeks ago. Things could be changing. As for being a "ministry" in the tax case the court called it a family commercial enterprise.
Exactly.
I think that light is blinding them, the BOD and those that continue to look the other way at the whole situation.
It's ok though, because eventually that light burns out, and the true light reveals what's really there.
This clearly isn't the SDA church - this is a independent ministry that takes support and money from members of the SDA church, as well as those not in the SDA church. Everyones money works the same.
Yes, I have heard that word on the street too about the one vote away - wonder who's vote kept saved him?
And yes, I know that the "ministry" is considered a family commercial enterprise, but look at all those who don't know, and see it another way.
People really should do their homework, if they want to know.
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I wonder who is leaking this information. Obviously somebody on the board is talkin...
Yes, I have heard that word on the street too about the one vote away - wonder who's vote kept saved him?
And yes, I know that the "ministry" is considered a family commercial enterprise, but look at all those who don't know, and see it another way.
People really should do their homework, if they want to know.
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Whoever is "leaking" information to you is wrong--the board had no such type of vote. Your informant is pulling your leg or relying on gossip.
The problems you perceive of 3ABN are within your own minds and imaginations. If you can find something (anything! anything! anything!) in which to make 3ABN or Danny Shelton and his family look bad, you will believe it. Does that make it the truth? Nah, of course not.
The Ten Commandment week-end of meetings has been a blast. God has blessed 3ABN so much. I hope all of you are watching for a blessing rather than trying to find something in which to hang your poor imaginations on.
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Well I guess if you know that you must be a boardmember then Junebug. What else can you tell us?
I watched David Asscherick speak on the 7th commandment and wondered Danny was listening or out for a walk... I sure didn't hear the pastor say anything about "spiritual adultery" as grounds for divorce...
Whoever is "leaking" information to you is wrong--the board had no such type of vote. Your informant is pulling your leg or relying on gossip.
The problems you perceive of 3ABN are within your own minds and imaginations. If you can find something (anything! anything! anything!) in which to make 3ABN or Danny Shelton and his family look bad, you will believe it. Does that make it the truth? Nah, of course not.
The Ten Commandment week-end of meetings has been a blast. God has blessed 3ABN so much. I hope all of you are watching for a blessing rather than trying to find something in which to hang your poor imaginations on.
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I also watched that same message and thought about Danny divorcing Linda, etc.
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David Asscherick is a very gifted speaker. I also enjoyed Mike Tucker's talk on the 5th commandment.
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Junebug, :scratch:
I feel very badly for you.
I wonder how you will feel when you find out what you are defending is in your own mind?
Why can't you see that no one has balled everything 3abn up in one thing?
We can separate things. So can God.
Whoever is "leaking" information to you is wrong--the board had no such type of vote. Your informant is pulling your leg or relying on gossip.
The problems you perceive of 3ABN are within your own minds and imaginations. If you can find something (anything! anything! anything!) in which to make 3ABN or Danny Shelton and his family look bad, you will believe it. Does that make it the truth? Nah, of course not.
The Ten Commandment week-end of meetings has been a blast. God has blessed 3ABN so much. I hope all of you are watching for a blessing rather than trying to find something in which to hang your poor imaginations on.
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Whoever is "leaking" information to you is wrong--the board had no such type of vote. Your informant is pulling your leg or relying on gossip.
How do you know? I'd rather not rely on gossip that there wasn't any such vote.
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I watched David Asscherick speak on the 7th commandment and wondered Danny was listening or out for a walk... I sure didn't hear the pastor say anything about "spiritual adultery" as grounds for divorce...
Did he mention anything about hiding a gun being grounds for divorce?
I heard he did a good job in the panel discussion about divorce. It would have been a great time for Danny to apologize for divorcing Linda without biblical grounds. Public sin demands a public confession.
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I watched David Asscherick speak on the 7th commandment and wondered Danny was listening or out for a walk... I sure didn't hear the pastor say anything about "spiritual adultery" as grounds for divorce...
Did he mention anything about hiding a gun being grounds for divorce?
I heard he did a good job in the panel discussion about divorce. It would have been a great time for Danny to apologize for divorcing Linda without biblical grounds. Public sin demands a public confession.
It's incredible that he can get up there and speak with a forked-tounge; like it's quite OK for him to treat Linda in that way, but the commandments don't allow for anyone else to discard their wife for a younger model . Not to mention him replacing her in her Programming capacity at 3abn, with a brother who has a history of alleged pedophilia.
I guess he thinks it's OK to frighten his wife with a gun too is it? Don't know which commandment that would come in under! :oops:
There are times when I feel quite sorry for the male (not man. A man doesn't treat a woman like that), who is so deluded that he thinks the 10 Commandments apply to everyone, except him. It's so sad when fame and fortune go to a person's head in that way, that they cannot see the forrest for the trees. :(
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http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html (http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html) shows rotating pictures of Jim Gilley, Ken Cox, and Danny Shelton.
Thus 3ABN is sending a very clear signal that it is business at usual at 3ABN, and that they have thrown ethics to the wind.
When in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church have we ever seen the like, when someone gets caught red-handed doing so many things contrary to our faith, standards, and principles, and he still is in the limelight? When?
Bob, seeing Danny up there made me feel ill to the pit of my stomach. It's like he's mocking the 10 Commandments, but putting himself way out front like that. Oh, if only he was not so blinded by pride. You really have to see him up there, to believe that he could really be so arrogant.
Just reading 'Last Day Events' in the last few days, has reminded me that we can expect more of the same.
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The problems you perceive of 3ABN are within your own minds and imaginations.
Which specific problems are you referring to that are only in our imaginations?
Is it only imaginary that morals are so loose there that Danny dumped Linda for hiding his gun and replaced her with an alleged pedophile? Only imaginary that he denied getting retirement or housing benefits when he got nearly $129,000 in a single week?
Or is it only in your mind and imagination that there are no problems at 3ABN?
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http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html (http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html) shows rotating pictures of Jim Gilley, Ken Cox, and Danny Shelton.
Thus 3ABN is sending a very clear signal that it is business at usual at 3ABN, and that they have thrown ethics to the wind.
When in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church have we ever seen the like, when someone gets caught red-handed doing so many things contrary to our faith, standards, and principles, and he still is in the limelight? When?
Quiz-time: How many of the three men listed have been divorced at least once?
Which ones are they?
Gailon Arthur Joy
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http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html (http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html) shows rotating pictures of Jim Gilley, Ken Cox, and Danny Shelton.
Thus 3ABN is sending a very clear signal that it is business at usual at 3ABN, and that they have thrown ethics to the wind.
When in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church have we ever seen the like, when someone gets caught red-handed doing so many things contrary to our faith, standards, and principles, and he still is in the limelight? When?
Quiz-time: How many of the three men listed have been divorced at least once?
Which ones are they?
Gailon Arthur Joy
I will take a guess,
Danny and Gilley
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Whoever is "leaking" information to you is wrong--the board had no such type of vote. Your informant is pulling your leg or relying on gossip.
The problems you perceive of 3ABN are within your own minds and imaginations. If you can find something (anything! anything! anything!) in which to make 3ABN or Danny Shelton and his family look bad, you will believe it. Does that make it the truth? Nah, of course not.
The Ten Commandment week-end of meetings has been a blast. God has blessed 3ABN so much. I hope all of you are watching for a blessing rather than trying to find something in which to hang your poor imaginations on.
Can you get us a copy of the Board Minutes, particularly the executive session minutes, and the vote counts that went with each motion? ANd while you are at it, can you tell me if they have abandoned the "affirmation clause" of the bylaws?
If not, did anyone lodge an official notice with secretary regarding their contrarian votes?
Gailon Arthur Joy
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http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html (http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html) shows rotating pictures of Jim Gilley, Ken Cox, and Danny Shelton.
Thus 3ABN is sending a very clear signal that it is business at usual at 3ABN, and that they have thrown ethics to the wind.
When in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church have we ever seen the like, when someone gets caught red-handed doing so many things contrary to our faith, standards, and principles, and he still is in the limelight? When?
Quiz-time: How many of the three men listed have been divorced at least once?
Which ones are they?
Gailon Arthur Joy
I will take a guess,
Danny and Gilley
Wrong, Gilley is still married to the same lovely lady he married over 40 years ago.
But, there are two.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html (http://www.3abncampmeeting.org/index.html) shows rotating pictures of Jim Gilley, Ken Cox, and Danny Shelton.
Thus 3ABN is sending a very clear signal that it is business at usual at 3ABN, and that they have thrown ethics to the wind.
When in the history of the Seventh-day Adventist Church have we ever seen the like, when someone gets caught red-handed doing so many things contrary to our faith, standards, and principles, and he still is in the limelight? When?
Quiz-time: How many of the three men listed have been divorced at least once?
Which ones are they?
Gailon Arthur Joy
I will take a guess,
Danny and Gilley
Wrong, Gilley is still married to the same lovely lady he married over 40 years ago.
But, there are two.
Gailon Arthur Joy
I should have followed my first thought and it was Kox and Danny, but then I over thought!!
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Interesting. One must also question your informants and their reliability, or if you are speaking on the basis of your own assumptions. In any case thats the word on the street. You could be right, in which case I would wonder if there was a vote pertaining to asking someone to resign as opposed to firing them. Could you comment on that?
I am sure that the "Ten Commandments Weekend" has been a blast for you and many others. Its always fun to celebrate laws that you can use to manipulate others with when you are not held to them yourself. The famous old "do as I say, not as I do." Lots of fun I'm sure.
As for the "blessing" I am sure that many more people feel blessed after a Benny Hinn event than will ever feel blessed after one of those 3ABN things. Does that mean that they are blessed? No, it means that they feel blessed. So bless you and all the 3ABN and Benny Hinn junkies who get your feelings and highs off that sort of drug.
Whoever is "leaking" information to you is wrong--the board had no such type of vote. Your informant is pulling your leg or relying on gossip.
The problems you perceive of 3ABN are within your own minds and imaginations. If you can find something (anything! anything! anything!) in which to make 3ABN or Danny Shelton and his family look bad, you will believe it. Does that make it the truth? Nah, of course not.
The Ten Commandment week-end of meetings has been a blast. God has blessed 3ABN so much. I hope all of you are watching for a blessing rather than trying to find something in which to hang your poor imaginations on.
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Now you can all argue with your allegations and speculations. But most reasonable people are going to believe someone who was there, talked to these people and personally experienced the spirit filled campmeeting. As opposed to your guesses, accusations and rumors.
Contrary to what you might think, many other people know other people who were there, and are there all the time, and they make fine witness' too what goes on as well.
Also, as for anything that took place there, spirit wise, anything that takes place inside a persons heart where ever they are only shows how GOD does miracles IN SPITE of men/women/leaders.
This has NOTHING to do with facts that are a result of leadership at 3abn. Nothing.
You believe what sounds good to you (as most humans want to) and what you want to be true. I think you better keep your mind open to ALL the facts and testimony before you settle on what feels good and fits your wanted reality.
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I talked for a minute with Pastor Gilley. He said Danny had a nice break while building his house but he wanted to get him to spend a lot more time on the air. He said people are "demanding" it.
Surely Jim Gilley is not a coward that he can't stand up to people's demands and do the right thing.
In the Adventist Church when people have serious ethical problems, we don't keep them around like that, even when someone demands it. Gilley's been around long enough to know that.
Otherwise, if Gilley can't take a stand for truth and righteousness, he isn't the man for the job.
I would prefer to think that you are telling lies about Gilley.
To repeat, Danny dumped his wife for hiding his gun and talking too long on the telephone. He dared, I repeat dared, to transgress an explicit precept of the Lord Jesus Christ by divorcing his wife for grounds other than fornication. He has yet to confess his error before those who witnessed his deed. He replaced his wife with an alleged pedophile, and covered up the allegations. Etc. Etc.
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Sam,
Would you care to share with us what led you to abandon conservative, Adventist, family values?
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Which is precisely what David Asscherick said during his sermon on the 7th commandment yesterday. Sam, if you were there, you MUST have heard that. It was a FANTASTIC sermon, as usual.
To repeat, Danny dumped his wife for hiding his gun and talking too long on the telephone. He dared, I repeat dared, to transgress an explicit precept of the Lord Jesus Christ by divorcing her for grounds other than fornication. He has yet to confess his error before those who witnessed his deed. He replaced his wife with an alleged pedophile, and covered up the allegations. Etc. Etc.
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Whoever is "leaking" information to you is wrong--the board had no such type of vote. Your informant is pulling your leg or relying on gossip.
The problems you perceive of 3ABN are within your own minds and imaginations. If you can find something (anything! anything! anything!) in which to make 3ABN or Danny Shelton and his family look bad, you will believe it. Does that make it the truth? Nah, of course not.
The Ten Commandment week-end of meetings has been a blast. God has blessed 3ABN so much. I hope all of you are watching for a blessing rather than trying to find something in which to hang your poor imaginations on.
Can you get us a copy of the Board Minutes, particularly the executive session minutes, and the vote counts that went with each motion? ANd while you are at it, can you tell me if they have abandoned the "affirmation clause" of the bylaws?
If not, did anyone lodge an official notice with secretary regarding their contrarian votes?
Gailon Arthur Joy
Better yet, Can You? I talked to one of the board members and got the answer. Did you? Your constant demands for proof of what you yourself do not have, make all of this a laughingstock. Even your little group here are bound to realize this, but just ignore it in their hate for 3abn.
All this is about yet another insinuation that the board almost fired Danny! That is hilarious. More spin and speculation that couldn't be farther from the truth. As I stated before, there were several board members in attendance and they couldn't have been happier with the whole TC/campmeeting week, including Danny's large part in it.
You have not talked directly with any board members, Danny or Jim G. Until you do, you would be better off not repeating second and third hand stories combined with your own spin, as it puts your claims to be a reporter on the same level as those that work for the Enquirer and say they are reporters too.
Please don't waste your time throwing in hints that maybe you have spoken with a board member. We know that can't be true because your information is always wrong.
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All this is about yet another insinuation that the board almost fired Danny! That is hilarious.
Certainly not everyone on the board is spineless.
You really need to be careful how you talk about the board members like that.
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I returned today from my first 3ABN camp meeting. It was also my first time to attend a 10 commandment weekend. It was also my first time to see the 3ABN facilities. Notice I said first for all three but definitely will not be my last. Being there among brothers and sisters who come open mindedly to learn and reap spiritual refreshing is like a taste of what lies just ahead when we leave this earth behind us and spend eternity with our Lord and each other.
What I saw while there showed me a lot of what is being said about the 3ABN facilities has been false. I am amazed at how simple, yet utilitarian everything is; beautifully planned and used. I saw no extravagance anywhere. To realize that so few people involved there are used to reach so many parts of the world with God’s message for these last days shows the love and commitment they are giving to do the missionary work we all are to do. I heard a report from Russia that where 3ABN started airing a few hours a week, it went to 20 then 40 hours a week and soon 3ABN will be aired there 24 hrs. 7 days a week. From Russia 3ABN will reach other countries. No other SDA television station is reaching so much of the world.
I saw the many people who had come. I talked with some and learned of their commitment to continue to come and support 3ABN; doing their part in the missionary work we all are given to do. I came into a meeting, following a break, an hour early and still had a hard time finding a seat even though it looked like chairs were being added each day. Lunch lines became 2 and on Sabbath 4. The gymnasium was completely full of tables and chairs and still some had to wait until people finished eating so they could sit down. I didn’t hear one complaint. The woman in charge of meals saw that the lasagna was running out for Friday’s lunch, so she quickly prepared spaghetti only to find out that the lasagna did not run out but kept on being there. She called our attention and related to all of us there what the Lord had done. The Lasagna served twice the amount of people she had prepared for. Praise the Lord! The spaghetti did not go to waste but was added to the Sabbath evening snack meal.
I heard Spirit filled messages through the different speakers and individual’s who sang or played an instrument. It was a wonderful experience! I am thankful to all the workers at 3ABN in Thompsonville and in other parts of the world, those who support with contributions and prayer and especially our Lord Jesus Christ who binds all together in love and guides to the finishing of the work through the Holy Spirit.
Donna
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Donna, you and your friends seem to have missed the point. No one here hates 3ABN, no one hates Danny Shelton or any of his extended family. It is not the evangelistic series and other gospel programming that anyone has a problem with, quite the opposite, I am certain that everyone here can support of much of the programming presented on 3ABN.
Jesus loved the sinner, but hated the sin. We can all love Danny Shelton and hope that he will be ready to meet the Lord when the time comes. What a disappointment it would be for all those attending campmeeting to have to ask Jesus why Danny Shelton is not in Heaven and have to see the evidence presented from the Heavenly books. The greatest miracle of 3ABN would be the public confession and heartfelt repentance of Danny Shelton.
What individuals have stated is that they hate is the hypocrisy that has gone on behind the scenes at 3ABN. If 3ABN is now as successful as you claim, than why does Danny continue the lawsuits against other Adventists?
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Donna, you and your friends seem to have missed the point. No one here hates 3ABN, no one hates Danny Shelton or any of his extended family.[/b] It is not the evangelistic series and other gospel programming that anyone has a problem with, quite the opposite, I am certain that everyone here can support of much of the programming presented on 3ABN.
Jesus loved the sinner, but hated the sin. We can all love Danny Shelton and hope that he will be ready to meet the Lord when the time comes. What a disappointment it would be for all those attending campmeeting to have to ask Jesus why Danny Shelton is not in Heaven and have to see the evidence presented from the Heavenly books. The greatest miracle of 3ABN would be the public confession and heartfelt repentance of Danny Shelton.
What individuals have stated is that they hate is the hypocrisy that has gone on behind the scenes at 3ABN. If 3ABN is now as successful as you claim, than why does Danny continue the lawsuits against other Adventists?
Sister, I have highlighted various sections of your post, as I could not put any of this into clearer words than you have.
This is the message that everyone has been trying to get through to DS and the Board of Directors of 3abn all this time. Why oh why can't that see that this is the picture? I don't believe that anyone here wants personal pain for SD or the demise of 3abn. What they hope and pray for is that Danny and his cronies will confess, make right their wrongs, drop the lawsuits against their brethren and stop covering up sin in the camp.
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Chrissie I am addressing this post to you since you are a moderator of this thread. Post #19 - which I wrote - has been edited by Artiste. This is a joke! Additionally, the post I replied to has disappeared without mention, without a trace. Artiste is not a moderator of this thread and therefore does not have the authority to edit posts.
I beg your pardon anyman. Artiste has as much right as any other moderator to edit a post.
Please give her the respect that her position demands.
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I believe a public apology, to all the members here, is in order.
I believe a public apology by Danny Shelton for dumping his wife without biblical grounds is in order.
I believe a public apology by Tommy Shelton to his alleged victims is in order, unless there are a whole lot of liars in multiple states.
I believe a public apology by Danny Shelton for covering up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton is in order.
I believe a public apology by D. Michael Riva for threatening Glenn Dryden over his concern about child molestation is in order.
I believe a public apology by D. Michael Riva for threatening the trustees of the Dunn Loring church is in order.
I believe a public apology by Gerald Duffy for invoking non-existent common law copyright and for trying to silence concerns about child molestation allegations is in order.
I believe a public apology by 3ABN for suing two fellow Adventists rather than trying to iron out differences is in order.
I believe a public apology by Danny Shelton for claiming that donations of horses were cash is in order.
I believe a public apology by Danny Shelton for buying a house from 3ABN for $6,139 is in order.
I believe a public apology by Danny Shelton for claiming that he didn't get retirement or housing benefits is in order.
I believe a public apology by 3ABN for using airtime to pay tribute to an alleged pedophile, and for registering that sole broadcast with the U.S. Copyright Office after claiming in court that none of their broadcasts are copyrighted, is in order.
I believe a public apology by Danny Shelton for running 3ABN into the red in 2006 while allegedly getting hundreds of thousands in royalties is in order.
Anything else?
Donna, do you really believe public apologies are necessary? Or are they only necessary if you don't work at 3ABN?
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Hey, I heard today that a family at camp meeting gave $200,000. If that is true, did 3ABN tell that family that their donation would help pay for their army of attorneys? Or did the family specify that their gift could not pay for such things?
Anyone know?
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Chrissie I am addressing this post to you since you are a moderator of this thread. Post #19 - which I wrote - has been edited by Artiste. This is a joke! Additionally, the post I replied to has disappeared without mention, without a trace. Artiste is not a moderator of this thread and therefore does not have the authority to edit posts.
I beg your pardon anyman. Artiste has as much right as any other moderator to edit a post.
Please give her the respect that her position demands.
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Dona, you have the full right to ask questions. Have you seen and noticed everything? You did not mention that I am listed as the Global Moderator. . .
It so happens that a grandson of ours is a policeman who graduated last year. But years before his graduation he would react as any other policeman if he saw something that needed to be done. This can be compared with Artiste, although we do not have any grand graduation ceremonies here on Advent Talk like they do at the Police College.
Any of us who knows the details of what happened applaud what Artiste did at that point. She saw what was needed and acted and thereby showed her Christian Concern, mostly on behalf of an innocent victim related to Danny Shelton. Therefore it would be cruel of me to divulge the details.
I share Artiste's commitment to spare the innocent of inappropriate exposure, and I trust that you and anyman share this view. I trust that through this we see an example of Christian behavior in what Artiste did, and that we learn to follow in her footsteps. If I fail in this from now on I hope I will be banned from ever posting on Advent Talk again unless I ask for forgiveness for embarrassing the innocent.
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Dona, you have the full right to ask questions. Have you seen and noticed everything? You did not mention that I am listed as the Global Moderator. . .
It so happens that a grandson of ours is a policeman who graduated last year. But years before his graduation he would react as any other policeman if he saw something that needed to be done. This can be compared with Artiste, although we do not have any grand graduation ceremonies here on Advent Talk like they do at the Police College.
Any of us who knows the details of what happened applaud what Artiste did at that point. She saw what was needed and acted and thereby showed her Christian Concern, mostly on behalf of an innocent victim related to Danny Shelton. Therefore it would be cruel of me to divulge the details.
I share Artiste's commitment to spare the innocent of inappropriate exposure, and I trust that you and anyman share this view. I trust that through this we see an example of Christian behavior in what Artiste did, and that we learn to follow in her footsteps. If I fail in this from now on I hope I will be banned from ever posting on Advent Talk again unless I ask for forgiveness for embarrassing the innocent.
The above bold and red comment is a bunch of hooey. If you, and or Artiste were really concerend about innocent people then you would have removed Mr. Pickle's reply #1 and #4 from this thread - but you didn't so your words are rather hollow. I shared Habanero's view when he took Mr. Pickle to task for trying to bring that content into the discussion. But, Habanero's post was completly illiminated because it did take Mr. Pickle to task. Obviously he was counseled by Mr. Pickle or one of his lackies to rephrase his comments so that he condemed 3ABN instead as his later post which referenced his first shows us. Habanaro was right in his first post that is now gone and which I fully endorsed. And I stand by my claim that Mr. Pickle in his blinded desire to destroy Danny Shelton at all costs looks at everyone as collateral damage in his efforts to win.
So, if you want to protect the innocent and then remove replies #1 and #4 or at least severly edit them so they don't harm an innocent.
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Right on anyman!
Dona, you have the full right to ask questions. Have you seen and noticed everything? You did not mention that I am listed as the Global Moderator. . .
It so happens that a grandson of ours is a policeman who graduated last year. But years before his graduation he would react as any other policeman if he saw something that needed to be done. This can be compared with Artiste, although we do not have any grand graduation ceremonies here on Advent Talk like they do at the Police College.
Any of us who knows the details of what happened applaud what Artiste did at that point. She saw what was needed and acted and thereby showed her Christian Concern, mostly on behalf of an innocent victim related to Danny Shelton. Therefore it would be cruel of me to divulge the details.
I share Artiste's commitment to spare the innocent of inappropriate exposure, and I trust that you and anyman share this view. I trust that through this we see an example of Christian behavior in what Artiste did, and that we learn to follow in her footsteps. If I fail in this from now on I hope I will be banned from ever posting on Advent Talk again unless I ask for forgiveness for embarrassing the innocent.
The above bold and red comment is a bunch of hooey. If you, and or Artiste were really concerend about innocent people then you would have removed Mr. Pickle's reply #1 and #4 from this thread - but you didn't so your words are rather hollow. I shared Habanero's view when he took Mr. Pickle to task for trying to bring that content into the discussion. But, Habanero's post was completly illiminated because it did take Mr. Pickle to task. Obviously he was counseled by Mr. Pickle or one of his lackies to rephrase his comments so that he condemed 3ABN instead as his later post which referenced his first shows us. Habanaro was right in his first post that is now gone and which I fully endorsed. And I stand by my claim that Mr. Pickle in his blinded desire to destroy Danny Shelton at all costs looks at everyone as collateral damage in his efforts to win.
So, if you want to protect the innocent and then remove replies #1 and #4 or at least severly edit them so they don't harm an innocent.
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Chrissie I am addressing this post to you since you are a moderator of this thread. Post #19 - which I wrote - has been edited by Artiste. This is a joke! Additionally, the post I replied to has disappeared without mention, without a trace. Artiste is not a moderator of this thread and therefore does not have the authority to edit posts.
I beg your pardon anyman. Artiste has as much right as any other moderator to edit a post.
Please give her the respect that her position demands.
I also had questions about this, seeing that Daryl had not announced it in the welcome and information category(nor any other)and still hasn't, and the information at the top of this forum only says,
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"Advent Talk > Issues & Concerns Category > 3ABN (Moderators: Chrissie, Snoopy) > Report on Ten Commandment Campmeeting week-end
Also, all know, or should that Johann is a global moderator as it has been announced and made known.
In my opinion, it is unfair and unjust to berate a member and find fault with him for not giving repect to a moderator's position, when there is no way that either that poster, nor any one else reading here would know the person who edited the post was a moderator, nor that they had this position... nor do I see any disrespect.
Who condemns the ignorant, for being ignorant? Not the righteous nor their Lord, who winks at times of ignorance!
I myself also wondered how many id's the moderators here have having read and heard many claims about such...and whether the edit in question was a mistake on one of the moderators parts due to using more than one id, considering no previous announcement. I am not saying this is a fact, but only that the events in discussion here caused me to question this...
Those who have responded here by pointing at others and finding fault with them rather than addressing the question or the issue brought up, just again demonstrate their inability to be accountable themselves, or be impartial in judgment, or to even address the actual issues (in my opinion). and their lopsided and offtopic faultfinding...
For even if they were correct, (and I don't believe for even one split second that they are) the bottom line is two wrongs never make a right.
Surely God's people can understand this, and those who aren't will refuse to ever see it or even acknowledge the point?
The Lord is always true and correct: " Ye shall know them by their fruits"
(ie--->actions, not claims about oneself)
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Hey, I heardtoday that a family at camp meeting gave $200,000. If that is true, did 3ABN tell that family that their donation would help pay for their army of attorneys? Or did the family specify that their gift could not pay for such things?
Anyone know?
Oh that old familiar refrain you use to justify your actions - "I heard" Why don't you go check? Why don't you go call someone who would actually know? Why don't you stop playing games with people here and if you know say so, if you don't be quiet until you do. Don't make stuff up. "I heard" doesn't hold any validity with sensible thinking people.
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Don't make stuff up. "I heard" doesn't hold any validity with sensible thinking people.
AMEN!
For I heard the defaming of many, fear on every side. Report, [say they], and we will report it. All my familiars watched for my halting, saying, Peradventure he will be enticed, and we shall prevail against him, and we shall take our revenge on him. - Jer 20:10
SAD...
Deu 13:14 Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently...
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Lev 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
What is the problem with understanding, "thou shalt", "thou shalt not", or who the Lord is here?
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Thank you for that Johann - I agree with you 100% I have a strong tendency to discount rude reports to moderators.
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