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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 02, 2008, 09:47:37 PM
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At nearly every stop, whether womens' ministry or book tour, Brenda takes a moment to discuss her story regarding Linda in Norway. It is usually filled with half truthes and innuendos, but has gotten wilder and wilder over the four years since the Linda firing that she played such a key role in as she whispered innuendos into Danny Lee Shelton's ear and successfully saw the only thing in her way of being 3ABN's Queen Brenda shoved aside for "spiritual adultery".
The problem arises in that Brenda's Story has "evolved" in competition with macro-evolution. It has ever so gradually gone from "Linda was flirting with the Dr" ever so gradually to a carefully couched statement read to some inquisitors, that alleged she "awoke to hear Linda and the Dr giggling and carrying on in the next room, but lay shaking in her bed praying for Linda the rest of the night" to the latest and wildest version that claims she "heard Linda leave the room and she followed her while Linda went into the Dr's room and stayed there, WITH THE LIGHTS OUT...".
SO, which story shall we believe? Or should we believe any at all? After all, if one cannot tell the same story twice with the same facts, is anything they say true?
So, Which of Brenda's Story have you heard of and which do you think is close to, or even in the realm of, the truth?
Your contributions are eagerly awaited.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I hadn't heard any versions of that story.
It's very interesting.
Does Brenda really tell stories like that at Women's Ministry meetings and on book tours?
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I did not spend a night in the same building, but I was there at the time Brenda and Linda were there. If the latest stories of Brenda were true, why were her initial stories so different? Already from the beginning I discovered that some of Brenda's adventures as Danny told them to me, were falsehoods invented in her imagination to help Danny get rid of his wife. An alert jury would detect such falsehoods.
By piecing together all that happened minute by minute during the time Linda and Brenda were in Norway it seems evident that Brenda did several things that she later twisted to insinuatae it was Linda who did something, and then changing it so as to make it immoral. . .
One time Linda and Brenda were staying with Nathan, Linda's son, who was there too, until late at night. When the two ladies returned the physician had retired and closed the door to his bedroom. Then Brenda went to his bedroom door singing with a loud voice, trying to wake him up and getting him out of bed. He heard it, but never reacted.
Was this the time she now claims she was praying for Linda? Or was it the time Brenda went early to bed, leaving Linda alone with Arild for while until Linda joined her?
There are a number of indications, from what I gathered while I was there, which give the picture of a woman friend following Linda on that trip to Norway trying to project events and changing them to make them an occasion for Danny to get rid of his wife.
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I did not spend a night in the same building, but I was there at the time Brenda and Linda were there. If the latest stories of Brenda were true, why were her initial stories so different? Already from the beginning I discovered that some of Brenda\\\'s adventures as Danny told them to me, were falsehoods invented in her imagination to help Danny get rid of his wife. An alert jury would detect such falsehoods.
By piecing together all that happened minute by minute during the time Linda and Brenda were in Norway it seems evident that Brenda did several things that she later twisted to insinuatae it was Linda who did something, and then changing it so as to make it immoral. . .
One time Linda and Brenda were staying with Nathan, Linda\\\'s son, who was there too, until late at night. When the two ladies returned the physician had retired and closed the door to his bedroom. Then Brenda went to his bedroom door singing with a loud voice, trying to wake him up and getting him out of bed. He heard it, but never reacted.
Was this the time she now claims she was praying for Linda? Or was it the time Brenda went early to bed, leaving Linda alone with Arild for while until Linda joined her?
There are a number of indications, from what I gathered while I was there, which give the picture of a woman friend following Linda on that trip to Norway trying to project events and changing them to make them an occasion for Danny to get rid of his wife.
And you witnessed all this or Linda told you bits and pieces which you have based your conclusions on?
Where you also there when Barbara Kerr made her unsought discovery which disapointed her?
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I did not spend a night in the same building, but I was there at the time Brenda and Linda were there. If the latest stories of Brenda were true, why were her initial stories so different? Already from the beginning I discovered that some of Brenda\\\'s adventures as Danny told them to me, were falsehoods invented in her imagination to help Danny get rid of his wife. An alert jury would detect such falsehoods.
By piecing together all that happened minute by minute during the time Linda and Brenda were in Norway it seems evident that Brenda did several things that she later twisted to insinuatae it was Linda who did something, and then changing it so as to make it immoral. . .
One time Linda and Brenda were staying with Nathan, Linda\\\'s son, who was there too, until late at night. When the two ladies returned the physician had retired and closed the door to his bedroom. Then Brenda went to his bedroom door singing with a loud voice, trying to wake him up and getting him out of bed. He heard it, but never reacted.
Was this the time she now claims she was praying for Linda? Or was it the time Brenda went early to bed, leaving Linda alone with Arild for while until Linda joined her?
There are a number of indications, from what I gathered while I was there, which give the picture of a woman friend following Linda on that trip to Norway trying to project events and changing them to make them an occasion for Danny to get rid of his wife.
And you witnessed all this or Linda told you bits and pieces which you have based your conclusions on?
Where you also there when Barbara Kerr made her unsought discovery which disapointed her?
"Jack Indabocks,"
You seem to bear all the characteristics of Danny Shelton's avatars on this forum. I guess you want to start everything from the begining, right? Why don't you do a little bit of reading on your own (assuming that you don't know the facts) before you pose OLD AND ANSWERED QUESTIONS?
Eduard
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I don't have any of this information from Linda. I was there when Linda and Brenda were there, and I was interested in all of the things that happened. I talked to Nathan. I talked to Arild. Have talked to other pastors and church members in the area, where I have spent many months. While there I discovered that some stories circulated by Danny Shelton could not be true. And if he could tell one or more untrue stories, what about the rest?
No, I was not there while Barbara Kerr was there, but I corresponded with her and talked to her on the phone while she was there. I understood what was happening and why. There are a number of witnesses who will verify, if needed. They might not substantiate any unsought discovery.
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At nearly every stop, whether womens' ministry or book tour, Brenda takes a moment to discuss her story regarding Linda in Norway. It is usually filled with half truthes and innuendos, but has gotten wilder and wilder over the four years since the Linda firing that she played such a key role in as she whispered innuendos into Danny Lee Shelton's ear and successfully saw the only thing in her way of being 3ABN's Queen Brenda shoved aside for "spiritual adultery".
The problem arises in that Brenda's Story has "evolved" in competition with macro-evolution. It has ever so gradually gone from "Linda was flirting with the Dr" ever so gradually to a carefully couched statement read to some inquisitors, that alleged she "awoke to hear Linda and the Dr giggling and carrying on in the next room, but lay shaking in her bed praying for Linda the rest of the night" to the latest and wildest version that claims she "heard Linda leave the room and she followed her while Linda went into the Dr's room and stayed there, WITH THE LIGHTS OUT...".
SO, which story shall we believe? Or should we believe any at all? After all, if one cannot tell the same story twice with the same facts, is anything they say true?
So, Which of Brenda's Story have you heard of and which do you think is close to, or even in the realm of, the truth?
Your contributions are eagerly awaited.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I know that many here trust your words implicitly. These are some fairly significant charges that you bring forth about Brenda. I would hope that you have personally heard recordings from these events to substantiate these claims... or at least documentation from someone who was actually present at these various programs, and heard with their own ears what you are passing along as factual information.
Are you certain that your sources of information are not speaking from the bias of personal agenda in what they have reported?
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"Jack Indabocks,"
You seem to bear all the characteristics of Danny Shelton's avatars on this forum. I guess you want to start everything from the begining, right? Why don't you do a little bit of reading on your own (assuming that you don't know the facts) before you pose OLD AND ANSWERED QUESTIONS?
Eduard
Eduard,
It is of interest that you are criticizing Jack about starting things from the beginning when he is replying to an OP that is basically doing exactly that....rehashing old he-said-she-said things.... Were you there, Eduard, so that you know that the old questions actually were answered factually?
And, for all of the "sides represented here, whether you support Gailon and Bob's stance on the issues or the stance of Danny and 3abn, is the "unsought" information Ms Kerr received true or a figment of her own personal agenda? Do any of us really know?
There is such pressure to demonize other human beings. That is just sad.
Since Christianity doesn't seem to be working to help us to get along well together, perhaps this might do the trick. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOEU87SBTU) Of course, I suppose some might find the idea of consuming caffeine to be more against the rules than treating each other with unkindness.
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I don't have any of this information from Linda. I was there when Linda and Brenda were there, and I was interested in all of the things that happened. I talked to Nathan. I talked to Arild. Have talked to other pastors and church members in the area, where I have spent many months. While there I discovered that some stories circulated by Danny Shelton could not be true. And if he could tell one or more untrue stories, what about the rest?
No, I was not there while Barbara Kerr was there, but I corresponded with her and talked to her on the phone while she was there. I understood what was happening and why. There are a number of witnesses who will verify, if needed. They might not substantiate any unsought discovery.
I know there has been some speculation about what Barbara Kerr asked her mother, was it, to communicate to people on BSDA.
Evidently Johann has some information on circumstances surounding it.
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At nearly every stop, whether womens' ministry or book tour, Brenda takes a moment to discuss her story regarding Linda in Norway. It is usually filled with half truthes and innuendos, but has gotten wilder and wilder over the four years since the Linda firing that she played such a key role in as she whispered innuendos into Danny Lee Shelton's ear and successfully saw the only thing in her way of being 3ABN's Queen Brenda shoved aside for "spiritual adultery".
The problem arises in that Brenda's Story has "evolved" in competition with macro-evolution. It has ever so gradually gone from "Linda was flirting with the Dr" ever so gradually to a carefully couched statement read to some inquisitors, that alleged she "awoke to hear Linda and the Dr giggling and carrying on in the next room, but lay shaking in her bed praying for Linda the rest of the night" to the latest and wildest version that claims she "heard Linda leave the room and she followed her while Linda went into the Dr's room and stayed there, WITH THE LIGHTS OUT...".
SO, which story shall we believe? Or should we believe any at all? After all, if one cannot tell the same story twice with the same facts, is anything they say true?
So, Which of Brenda's Story have you heard of and which do you think is close to, or even in the realm of, the truth?
Your contributions are eagerly awaited.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I know that many here trust your words implicitly. These are some fairly significant charges that you bring forth about Brenda. I would hope that you have personally heard recordings from these events to substantiate these claims... or at least documentation from someone who was actually present at these various programs, and heard with their own ears what you are passing along as factual information.
Are you certain that your sources of information are not speaking from the bias of personal agenda in what they have reported?
I am a reporter. I speak to witnesses and they give me their perspective. They come from Illinois to Knoxville (where the issue was first brought to my attention)
to Pennsylvania to Bermuda to Texas and even Washington, DC.
One is particularly delicious as it is the transcription, notarized, of a recording of Brenda taken when the answering machine accidentally kept running during the conversation. The others are statements, so far!!!
Yes, my dear Grandma, we have already produced it to the other side. And it only recently became a worthy issue as the "evolution" has clearly moved across the line from inference to innuendo to clear allegation of perceived wrongdoing. It is now an open issue and I invite your "perspective"...a bit daring of Grandma but most definitely warranted since you have challenged the veracity once again.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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At nearly every stop, whether womens' ministry or book tour, Brenda takes a moment to discuss her story regarding Linda in Norway. It is usually filled with half truthes and innuendos, but has gotten wilder and wilder over the four years since the Linda firing that she played such a key role in as she whispered innuendos into Danny Lee Shelton's ear and successfully saw the only thing in her way of being 3ABN's Queen Brenda shoved aside for "spiritual adultery".
The problem arises in that Brenda's Story has "evolved" in competition with macro-evolution. It has ever so gradually gone from "Linda was flirting with the Dr" ever so gradually to a carefully couched statement read to some inquisitors, that alleged she "awoke to hear Linda and the Dr giggling and carrying on in the next room, but lay shaking in her bed praying for Linda the rest of the night" to the latest and wildest version that claims she "heard Linda leave the room and she followed her while Linda went into the Dr's room and stayed there, WITH THE LIGHTS OUT...".
SO, which story shall we believe? Or should we believe any at all? After all, if one cannot tell the same story twice with the same facts, is anything they say true?
So, Which of Brenda's Story have you heard of and which do you think is close to, or even in the realm of, the truth?
Your contributions are eagerly awaited.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I know that many here trust your words implicitly. These are some fairly significant charges that you bring forth about Brenda. I would hope that you have personally heard recordings from these events to substantiate these claims... or at least documentation from someone who was actually present at these various programs, and heard with their own ears what you are passing along as factual information.
Are you certain that your sources of information are not speaking from the bias of personal agenda in what they have reported?
I am a reporter. I speak to witnesses and they give me their perspective. They come from Illinois to Knoxville (where the issue was first brought to my attention)
to Pennsylvania to Bermuda to Texas and even Washington, DC.
One is particularly delicious as it is the transcription, notarized, of a recording of Brenda taken when the answering machine accidentally kept running during the conversation. The others are statements, so far!!!
Yes, my dear Grandma, we have already produced it to the other side. And it only recently became a worthy issue as the "evolution" has clearly moved across the line from inference to innuendo to clear allegation of perceived wrongdoing. It is now an open issue and I invite your "perspective"...a bit daring of Grandma but most definitely warranted since you have challenged the veracity once again.
Gailon Arthur Joy
As one who is not privy to any of the first hand information about Brenda's claims regarding Linda Shelton, my "perspective" can only be that I will wait and see what the facts are shown to be.
There would have been no need to have "challenged the veracity" (I considered it simply asking the obvious questions) of your report had you cited your proof in the OP instead of presenting the information in more of a gossip column style. Some are willing to accept what you say without proof, but there are some who read here who will not accept your reports without the facts to support them.
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Through all of these discussions it has become clear to me that there are inquisitive people who are never satisfied until all of their nosy questions are answered, regardless if the matter is important or not. At the same time there are some of these questions that become so complicated, when asked by a biased mind, that it is impossible to answer those questions without giving the inquirer the opportunity to reach a faulty conclusion. A number of participants both here and on BSDA are masters at asking that kind of questions.
If you refuse to answer they often snap at you that you are hiding something to prevent the truth from appearing. If you say straight out, It is none of your business, the response is to create more suspicion.
And I say this fully realizing that this could apply to both sides in the discussion. My appeal is that we all put this demonic attitude on ice. The Lord can never be honored by this continuing. Let´s quit accusing each other of presenting things we know in a "gossip column style". That is one way of repressing the truth.
I realize fully that this demands a radical change from both sides in this debate.
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I second Elder Johann's post here.
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AMEN from me as well Brother Johann........You know, we all need to remember that God is totally in charge of this mess.....and the outcomes will be his........what ever direction he chooses to take it........we just need to let him handle it.......I do not understand the conquest to provide validity of those who where a part of this saga from the beginning, such as Brother Johann.........Lets just continue to Pray for 3abn and that it will be lead by GOD, where HE wants it to go................God Bless us all as we prepare for the sabbath and pray that we are all working toward the Characters of Christ so that we ALL may go home with him....Because folks,,,,,,that is sooner than anyone realizes..........so SOON.........JESUS IS COMING..........
Have a Happy Sabbath all. God Bless
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My appeal is that we all put this demonic attitude on ice. The Lord can never be honored by this continuing. Let´s quit accusing each other of presenting things we know in a "gossip column style". That is one way of repressing the truth.
I realize fully that this demands a radical change from both sides in this debate.
I absolutely agree, Johann.
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I am a reporter. I speak to witnesses and they give me their perspective. They come from Illinois to Knoxville (where the issue was first brought to my attention)
to Pennsylvania to Bermuda to Texas and even Washington, DC.
One is particularly delicious as it is the transcription, notarized, of a recording of Brenda taken when the answering machine accidentally kept running during the conversation. The others are statements, so far!!!
Yes, my dear Grandma, we have already produced it to the other side. And it only recently became a worthy issue as the "evolution" has clearly moved across the line from inference to innuendo to clear allegation of perceived wrongdoing. It is now an open issue and I invite your "perspective"...a bit daring of Grandma but most definitely warranted since you have challenged the veracity once again.
Gailon Arthur Joy
As one who is not privy to any of the first hand information about Brenda's claims regarding Linda Shelton, my "perspective" can only be that I will wait and see what the facts are shown to be.
There would have been no need to have "challenged the veracity" (I considered it simply asking the obvious questions) of your report had you cited your proof in the OP instead of presenting the information in more of a gossip column style. Some are willing to accept what you say without proof, but there are some who read here who will not accept your reports without the facts to support them.
I have come to the conclusion, Grandma Nettie, that the second coming will come and go and you will still be waiting to see what the facts are shown to be. In fact, I have come to the conclusion some years ago, now, that you could have it all flashed before your eyes in cinemascope and you would still be waiting. In the interim, why don't you do some checking and report back, in other than gossip style.
I await your full report.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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What has changed during the three years since then?
Through all of these discussions it has become clear to me that there are inquisitive people who are never satisfied until all of their nosy questions are answered, regardless if the matter is important or not. At the same time there are some of these questions that become so complicated, when asked by a biased mind, that it is impossible to answer those questions without giving the inquirer the opportunity to reach a faulty conclusion. A number of participants both here and on BSDA are masters at asking that kind of questions.
If you refuse to answer they often snap at you that you are hiding something to prevent the truth from appearing. If you say straight out, It is none of your business, the response is to create more suspicion.
And I say this fully realizing that this could apply to both sides in the discussion. My appeal is that we all put this demonic attitude on ice. The Lord can never be honored by this continuing. Let´s quit accusing each other of presenting things we know in a "gossip column style". That is one way of repressing the truth.
I realize fully that this demands a radical change from both sides in this debate.
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Not a lot has changed...some believe yeah, others believe nay, and even more supporting evidence continues to come in clarifying and in some cases clearly elucidating unknown reasons for certain actions, such as why did Brad Walker join Tommy Ray Shelton in Dun Loring? Who was paying them and why? And what was Brad's role, before Dun Loring, during Dun Loring and after Dun Loring? And why would he sell his soul to such a lot of scoundrels? And just how many other cases are there in Dun Loring, at 3ABN, Kentucky, etc?
I guess I can sum it up as the more rocks you turn the more there is to discover and study. The problem is, the more you turn the more parties, players and liability you also uncover. You begin to wonder if there are enough days left in this life to complete the story. Or even if it is worth the effort?
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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My thoughts about Brenda is that I would be very hesitant to go to one of Brenda's women's ministries. My question is "WHY IS SHE HOSTING WOMEN'S MINISTRIES?" Only reason I see for her to host women's ministries is so she can continue her lies about Linda. Like beating a dead horse. Linda is gone get over it!!!
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My thoughts about Brenda is that I would be very hesitant to go to one of Brenda's women's ministries. My question is "WHY IS SHE HOSTING WOMEN'S MINISTRIES?" Only reason I see for her to host women's ministries is so she can continue her lies about Linda. Like beating a dead horse. Linda is gone get over it!!!
Their greatest fear is a Linda Shelton resurrection!!! This would represent the most personal defeat!!! For Brenda and Danny Lee Shelton!!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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So proud of Linda Shelton for moving on while still loving 3ABN.
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Linda still loves 3ABN! Praise God Forever!
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Exodus 18:10
He said, “Praise be to the LORD, who rescued you from the hand of the Egyptians and of Pharaoh, and who rescued the people from the hand of the Egyptians.
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Psalm 31:18 Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous.
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I would be interested in going to hear Brenda, so that I could hear 1st hand what she had to say about Linda. :rabbit:
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I would be interested in going to hear Brenda, so that I could hear 1st hand what she had to say about Linda. :rabbit:
Please record the event so you can share it and compare it to prior statements of Brenda Walsh...would be a good idea to update our archives to the current tale just to see how creative she is.
She should write a book, but that would put her on the record and delimit her ability to embelish in the future...might also give Linda a chance at a defamation claim or two.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Brenda W has written a book. Maybe you know that already. When she was on Really Living the other week she was selling her book. (not literally) It is the story of her life and all the miracles that have happened to her. Apparently she went into much greater detail on the program about the alleged abuse from her first husband than she has in the book. Haven't read it so don't know if she says anything about Linda. Have no interest in reading it. Just hearing her talk was enough.
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Maybe we should track down the former husband for the other side of the story.
Gailon Arthur joy
AUReporter
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Did they live in Florida? Is he still there? I know some people who would love to travel to Florida and write his story.
Maybe we should track down the former husband for the other side of the story.
Gailon Arthur joy
AUReporter
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The last I knew he was in Southern Illinois, but have made no attempt to track him.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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He's supposed to be or has been an FBI agent. Was a policeman when the alleged abuse took place and at least once other police stood and watched as he beat her and threw her baby daughter across the room and did nothing. Just sounded way too over the top but don't know. :dunno:
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Has he ever responded to Brenda's book?
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Like I said, I would like to get the other side of the story. Pretty serious stuff for someone to be in Law Enforcement and get away with that kind of abuse...that would make him a very dirty cop.
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Might 3ABN buy all the copies of such a book and destroy them - to save Brenda (and Danny)?
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Might 3ABN buy all the copies of such a book and destroy them - to save Brenda (and Danny)?
Too late, my wife already bought one!!! And now to find the divorce docs.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter