Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Snoopy on September 22, 2008, 09:02:03 PM
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Well, it looks like Danny & Co. are still busy trying to limit the pile of evidence stacking up against them. In a document filed with the court today, they are now trying to stop the defendant's efforts to obtain information regarding Linda Shelton's alleged trip to Florida. The title of this thread is a direct quote from the filing. But what doesn't make sense is, if the plaintiffs do not care, why would they care if a subpoena were issued to obtain the information that they do not care about?
In addition, apparently the defendants have taken issue with how the airline tickets for Linda's alleged trip to Florida, the one the plaintiffs do not care about, were paid for. Could it be possible that 3ABN might have purchased those airline tickets? If they did, were they using non-profit funds to pay for unreimbursed personal travel? Well, according to the plaintiffs, the defendants will need to seek information on that from Linda Shelton and/or 3ABN. Hey - that is a great idea!! Gailon and Bob, why don't you just ask 3ABN for the information!!! I think we need a "circular reference" smilie here...
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Snoopy,
Are you still having a problem using smilies?
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No, thank you Daryl. I responded to you in the "testing smilies" thread. Looks like it was my goof - I appreciate you fixing it for me!! :wave:
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Could it be the tickets were purchased to entice Linda to go to Florida so 3ABN could falsely allege she was with the doctor?
Were the tickets bought before or after Danny's accusing Linda of going to Florida with the doctor! Come on, 3ABN, tell the truth for once!
I wonder if anyone went! Sure hope the tickets were refundable. I hear tell Linda did not go!
Did someone else go? Maybe Danny went to see his future bride! There sure seems to be a lot of guessing and covering up going on!
Why can't 3ABN, God's chosen ministry, be truthful and forthright in questionings?
I don't believe God would ask them to hide all the proof and details.
Linda is not hiding. Why should they?
It causes me to mistrust and doubt 3ABN again and again.
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It seems to me that all the desire for secrecy can be explained by the following verses:
"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved" (Jn. 3:19, 20).
If it's dark, you can't see anything.
But we dumb human beings forget that God sees and hears all, regardless of how dark it is.
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Pickle, the lawyers are no fools. They will not give out ANY information to you PERIOD. They will contest your subpoenaes as soon as they come up! Read Matt. 7:6 to find out why.
But you are right with one part of your post--God does see and hear. And He is Judge. He also helps those who are doing His work.
And Pickle, you are about to bite the dust! Better get out your pity-party how-to book to find out which slogans work the best with those you've fooled all these months. You're going to need it soon.
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Is that a threat or a promise?
Not giving information is the 3ABN trademark; Hide, hide, hide, ignore, ignore, ignore, sue, sue, sue! Sounds to me like they are hiding behind "God can see"! Remember also that God will bring to light, that which was done in the dark.
Judas went and got his 30 pieces of silver in dark, but what he did is recorded for all to see. God revealed it all.
Junebug,
I believe you have used text out of context. Read all the texts surrounding verse 6 which you cited. These verses are ones Bob stands by. He is asking. God WILL answer! Read verse 7 & 8. Remember that it is Danny and 3ABN that are suing Bob. He is not suing 3ABN, ... yet.
Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Bob,
Keep asking in the name of Jesus.
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Great post, Fran! And I do believe the lights are coming on, piece by ugly, greedy piece.
God will bring to light, that which was done in the dark.
Bob,
Keep asking in the name of Jesus.
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It appears that Danny Shelton's little web of lies about Linda Shelton is starting to unravel. The trip to Florida: is it possible that another man's wife, who has been observed spending many late nights alone with Danny during his marriage to Linda, initiated the purchase of the tickets and Danny's loyal "secretary" made the actual purchase with 3ABN funds? Does this sound like something where there is a paper trail that Danny wants to remain hidden? If Danny's "lady" friend lied about this, why should anyone believe the other lies she has told about her best friend Linda Shelton?
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Do you mean to say that they are admitting that they don't care if what they accuse Linda of is true or false? Didn't I read somewhere that Kay Kuzma told her that all the board cared about was that "the president didn't want his vice president any more"?
And they don't care if what they are saying is true or not but they don't want others to know if it is true or not?
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Pickle, the lawyers are no fools. They will not give out ANY information to you PERIOD. They will contest your subpoenaes as soon as they come up! Read Matt. 7:6 to find out why.
But you are right with one part of your post--God does see and hear. And He is Judge. He also helps those who are doing His work.
And Pickle, you are about to bite the dust! Better get out your pity-party how-to book to find out which slogans work the best with those you've fooled all these months. You're going to need it soon.
Junebug, how do you feel about Danny's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton?
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While we are here, wonder why this website is still active. Wasn't Tommy relieved of his duties there? This page still lists him as the pastor! Who would be paying for this spot on the web or is it free advertising? Or is it just that someone needs to shut it down? Does the pastor of this church know about this site?
http://churches.net/userpages/ccog.html
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Probably no one there knows about the page, or can't access it to correct it.
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I guess I could try to contact them and tell them.
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Pickle, the lawyers are no fools. They will not give out ANY information to you PERIOD. They will contest your subpoenaes as soon as they come up! Read Matt. 7:6 to find out why.
But you are right with one part of your post--God does see and hear. And He is Judge. He also helps those who are doing His work.
And Pickle, you are about to bite the dust! Better get out your pity-party how-to book to find out which slogans work the best with those you've fooled all these months. You're going to need it soon.
Junebug, how do you feel about Danny's cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton?
Junebug, I am still intrigued as to why you have such a difficult time demonstrating outrage over Danny Shelton's ungodly, reprehensible cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton.
As far as biting the dust goes, who knows. But as far as appearances go, from what I can tell, we are definitely prevailing.
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You make an assumption here that your claims of cover-up are legitimate and nothing more than your attempt at manipulating others words and couching their responses so they fit your need to be able to make your claim. Your "work" over the past two years is rife with evidences of misconstruing others words, editing them to manufacture a comment you need to bring "validity" to your accusations, and then repeating them ad nauseum until people perceive them as truth or fact. Your position on the majority of your issues is tenuous at best. Your "evidence" or "support" comes from questionable source, the majority of whom have their own agenda for "getting back" at either 3ABN, Danny Shelton, or the Adventist church. They continue to use you as a vehicle to achieve their goals with the hopes that since Gailon and yourself are willing to stand in the breech, in hopes of fame and glory, they will never have to suffer consequences for their actions and words.
This has lead you to, time and again, to employee unscrupulous methods, to mis-characterize others, justify unchristian actions as necessary to achieve your goals, and treat your fellow humans as though they were not children of the Creator. One day, when this is all over and you are left alone to ponder your actions and words, you may find great agony in the realization of what you have done to so many people in the name of the Lord just like the murderous rampages of the Crusaders of old. Your indiscriminate behavior, driven by pride, will leave your soul a shell of what the Creator had hoped it would be.
You might consider well how you can successfully reach settlement during ADR or you will find yourself in court standing on a foundation of sand.
Junebug, I am still intrigued as to why you have such a difficult time demonstrating outrage over Danny Shelton's ungodly, reprehensible cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton.
As far as biting the dust goes, who knows. But as far as appearances go, from what I can tell, we are definitely prevailing.
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You make an assumption here that your claims of cover-up are legitimate and nothing more than your attempt at manipulating others words and couching their responses so they fit your need to be able to make your claim. Your "work" over the past two years is rife with evidences of misconstruing others words, editing them to manufacture a comment you need to bring "validity" to your accusations, and then repeating them ad nauseum until people perceive them as truth or fact. Your position on the majority of your issues is tenuous at best. Your "evidence" or "support" comes from questionable source, the majority of whom have their own agenda for "getting back" at either 3ABN, Danny Shelton, or the Adventist church. They continue to use you as a vehicle to achieve their goals with the hopes that since Gailon and yourself are willing to stand in the breech, in hopes of fame and glory, they will never have to suffer consequences for their actions and words.
This has lead you to, time and again, to employee unscrupulous methods, to mis-characterize others, justify unchristian actions as necessary to achieve your goals, and treat your fellow humans as though they were not children of the Creator. One day, when this is all over and you are left alone to ponder your actions and words, you may find great agony in the realization of what you have done to so many people in the name of the Lord just like the murderous rampages of the Crusaders of old. Your indiscriminate behavior, driven by pride, will leave your soul a shell of what the Creator had hoped it would be.
You might consider well how you can successfully reach settlement during ADR or you will find yourself in court standing on a foundation of sand.
This is unbelievable! There is none blind, but those who can not see!
Somebody needs to get a mirror, look in it and see these statements are made for them and not Bob!
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My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God Psalms 84:2
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Your "evidence" or "support" comes from questionable source, the majority of whom have their own agenda for "getting back" at either 3ABN, Danny Shelton, or the Adventist church.
Admitted in part and denied in part.
Since Walt Thompson is the primary source for the information behind the idea that Danny Shelton covered up the child molestation allegations against Tommy Shelton, and since his veracity is in great doubt, he is indeed a questionable source. However, Danny Shelton never denied that he had told Walt what Walt said Danny told him.
On the other hand, I can't picture Walt trying to get back at 3ABN, Danny Shelton, or the Adventist Church. But you may know better.
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You might consider well how you can successfully reach settlement during ADR or you will find yourself in court standing on a foundation of sand.
Don't you wish.
Are you suggesting that 3ABN and Danny have made an about face and are now willing to consider other forms of resolution? If that is the case, why didn't they do that before? Does not that very idea suggest that they aren't doing real well in the litigation?
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Mr. Robert Pickle, if you are headed to trial you should know the way the process flows. Are you telling me that you don't know that typically after discover come dispostive motions, possibly more discovery, then ADR before pre-trial motions? ADR may be >your< last chance to extricate yourself before the curtain you are hiding behind is pulled back and your true agenda is revealed.
I am not suggesting anything on 3ABN's part and you know it, this is just another evidence of your blatant attempts to manipulate someone's words via suggestive wording of your questions/statements. I made it clear the onus is on you, being the one in the wrong here. In case my statement wasn't clear,
You might consider well how you can successfully reach settlement during ADR or you will find yourself in court standing on a foundation of sand.
Seems rather clear. I don't have to wish it grows ever more evident as the days pass that your foundation is as weak as a house of cards. By the way, how did depositions go? Or did you find a reason to postpone answering questions under oath?
You might consider well how you can successfully reach settlement during ADR or you will find yourself in court standing on a foundation of sand.
Don't you wish.
Are you suggesting that 3ABN and Danny have made an about face and are now willing to consider other forms of resolution? If that is the case, why didn't they do that before? Does not that very idea suggest that they aren't doing real well in the litigation?
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... before the curtain you are hiding behind is pulled back and your true agenda is revealed.
I don't recall having anything to hide.
I am not suggesting anything on 3ABN's part and you know it, ....
Not at all.
... you, being the one in the wrong here.
Be explicit about what wrong I have done. Remember, you called me a lair 25 different ways, and I don't recall you yet giving any examples, even when publicly asked, or privately asked in response to your harassing PM's.
By the way, how did depositions go? Or did you find a reason to postpone answering questions under oath?
They haven't been definitively rescheduled yet, since being postponed nearly a year ago.
If we want to depose you, where should we send the subpoena?
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Pickle, you have asked anyman to be explicit about your lies? Haven't you been reading his posts? Please read them again. Read back through BSDA and see--but you will never see it Pickle until it is too late because you are blinded. The blind is leading the blind on this forum.
You have been given every opportunity Pickle but you will reap what you have sown. Get ready as it is about to happen. But I doubt even then if you will see. :dunno:
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Same old same old. Whenever I ask for specifics, you can't give them. The only conclusion I can arrive at is that you don't have any.
And I have a hunch that the attorneys don't have any either. But we'll see.
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If we want to depose you, where should we send the subpoena?
Send it right to the circular filing cabinet next to your desk.
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That would violate Fed. R. Civ. P. 5(b)(2). Service isn't allowed to be done that way.
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Junebug,
You have been stepped upon and don't even know it!!! You have been duped by 3ABN and DLS and we have the proof...period. You have lost any chance you ever had. You do not produce because you cannot stand the light of truth!!!
The facts are that Brenda bought those tickets with the 3ABN American Express account. Brenda wanted to go to Florida. Brenda knew there was no affair and Brenda is a bold faced slanderous liar!!! With the demise of poor dear Brenda, there is no case whatso-ever against Linda Sue Shelton and 3ABN is left without a due process basis for dismissing Linda Sue Shelton and that leaves Danny an adulterer!!! And it leaves several 3ABN directors liable for damages. No getting out of it this time...justice marches to a sure conclusion.
Got the picture, JUNEBUG??? I know things loose perspective from the ground up, but learn to live with it as life for a JUNEBUG is short enough...might as well make the best of what is left and TRY to make things right with those you have wronged before time and probation is ended.
Last warning, Junebug!!! At some point you grieve the spirit. Think about it long and hard in your prayer chamber, assuming you pray at all.
Gailon Arthur Joy
Pickle, the lawyers are no fools. They will not give out ANY information to you PERIOD. They will contest your subpoenaes as soon as they come up! Read Matt. 7:6 to find out why.
But you are right with one part of your post--God does see and hear. And He is Judge. He also helps those who are doing His work.
And Pickle, you are about to bite the dust! Better get out your pity-party how-to book to find out which slogans work the best with those you've fooled all these months. You're going to need it soon.
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I understand that employees are given credit cards for expenses, but Brenda?
Someone needs to subpoena those credit card bills! I wonder who approved the ticket purchase. Was the purchase refunded or used?
Maybe Brenda went to meet the doctor? Maybe Danny went to see Brandy?
It is good to have information re-affirmed. We have long known that Linda did not go to Florida as Danny accused. This is a Fact many have known all along, but have heard a different story from 3ABN for so long. Danny was accusing her of going way, way back in 2004/2005. He stated she took a trip to Florida way back when he emailed Gregory. Yes, those emails are alive and well! Shame on Danny and shame on Brenda.
This information proves a lot.
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This discussion stopped so abruptly. Why?
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This discussion stopped so abruptly. Why?
What else is there to say about a bunch of liars, conspirators and self inureing hypocrits?
Gailon Arthur Joy