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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Snoopy on October 23, 2008, 01:31:47 PM
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In an interesting turn of events, 3ABN and DS have decided to try to halt the freight train they put in motion almost 18 months ago. As of today, four documents have been filed with the US District Court in Massachusetts related to the plaintiffs request for the case be dismissed and asking for the return of documents.
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Attached is the Plaintiffs Memorandum in Support of the Voluntary Motion to Dismiss.
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From page 2 of the Plaintiffs Memorandum in Support of the Voluntary Motion to Dismiss:
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Count I and Count II sought an order shutting down two internet web sites owned and operated by the Defendants.
The registered owner of the web sites was Defendant Joy. (Id. ¶ 3). Mr. Joy filed for
bankruptcy protection on August 14, 2007. (The automatic stay on collection activity was
subsequently lifted). On February 12, 2008, 3ABN purchased the infringing website
domain names from the bankruptcy trustee. (Id.). The websites immediately ceased
operations. (Id.) Therefore, the relief sought in the complaint with respect to Counts I
and II was obtained in the course of the bankruptcy proceeding
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What is conveniently left out of that declaration is that while the site www.save3abn.com was indeed shut down, all that happened was that a hyphen was thrown in and the site revived as www.save-3abn.com along with many other similar sites!! So, exactly what "relief sought...was obtained"??
Edited to correct typo
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What is also interesting is the desparate attempt to keep the Remnant documents hidden. According to the reasoning here, the plaintiffs argue that Gailon and Bob don't have the right to hire experts!!
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On another occasion, also shortly after
receipt of the Remnant documents, Mr. Joy wrote:
Those documents, and all other documents, are not subject to any
“seal” per order of the court. YUP, old boy, they came right to my
desk and are still at my right hand until they are prepared for the
“experts”. Those and the bank statements and now the audit of the
auditor will all be in the hands of experts in time!!!
(Id. Ex. 3B) Thus, the threat that the Defendants may reveal the contents of
confidential information is not merely an idle possibility. Mr. Joy is doing it
already.
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Attached is Dr. Walt Thompson's Affidavit in Support of the Voluntary Motion to Dismiss.
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In true Danny form, he's trying to make it appear that he "won."
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The file containing Attorney Simpson's Affidavit in Support of the Voluntary Motion to Dismiss is too big to post here. So I have copied the text of the actual affidavit without the exhibits.
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
Three Angels Broadcasting Network, Inc.,
an Illinois non-profit corporation, and
Danny Lee Shelton, individually, Case No. 07-40098-FDS
Plaintiffs,
v.
Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle,
Defendants.
AFFIDAVIT OF M. GREGORY SIMPSON
STATE OF MINNESOTA )
) ss.
COUNTY OF HENNEPIN )
M. Gregory Simpson, being first duly sworn upon oath, deposes and states
as follows:
1. I am an attorney licensed in the State of Minnesota and admitted pro hac
vice to the United States District Court, District of Massachusetts, where I am one
of the attorneys representing Plaintiffs in the above-captioned action. I make this
affidavit based upon my knowledge and information.
2. Plaintiffs commenced the above-captioned lawsuit on or about April 5,
2007. The case is in the document discovery phase. No depositions have been
Case 4:07-cv-40098-FDS Document 122 Filed 10/23/2008 Page 1 of 4
taken, nor have any dispositive motions been filed or served. The parties recently
stipulated to an order extending discovery and unexpired deadlines by 90 days.
3. On August 14, 2007, Gailon Arthur Joy filed for bankruptcy in the United
States Bankruptcy Court for the District of Massachusetts, Case No. 07-43128-
JBR. The bankruptcy court order lifting the automatic stay required 3ABN to give
up its right to seek damages against Mr. Joy for prepetition actions. A true and
correct copy of the bankruptcy court order is attached hereto as Exhibit 1.
4. Based on court filings by Defendant Robert Pickle seeking relief from the
requirement to appear in person on the basis of hardship, among other things, it
appears that he is a man of modest means who would be unable to pay any
substantial award of damages. True and correct copies of two such filings by Mr.
Pickle are attached as Exhibit 2.
5. Attached hereto as Exhibit 3A and 3AB are two internet postings made by
Gailon Arthur Joy that refer to what we believe can only be Confidential
documents produced in this litigation.
FURTHER YOUR AFFIANT SAYETH NOT.
Dated: October 23, 2008
s/M. Gregory Simpson
M. Gregory Simpson
Subscribed and sworn to me
this 23rd day of October, 2008.
s/ Amy Jo Ditty
Notary Public
My Commission Expires: January 31, 2010
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It appears they decided the evidence wasn't their as has been contended on this website. The significance may be that they want out at such an early date. What! Create all this havoc and hope the issues die without accountabiity. If the motion is granted then the question maybe do the plaintiffs soon become the defendants and the defendants the plaintiffs at a later date. The issues still need to be resoloved as they appear to me, an outsider, to be escalating. :scratch:
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What is the strategy here? Damage(s) control? What was the amount in relief being thrown about by Gailon? er.. three mil? Is it possible that Gailon's sleuths are on track to discover those off shore accounts? With amounts salted away that may well sustain a demand for a much larger settlement than three mil?
Is it as Gailon and Bob,of course, have insisted ad infinitum that the preponderance of the evidence that they have amassed will bury DS and reveal to the universe the REAL DS!?
What's going on here? Hey DS/3ABN defenders, Sirs, Ladies , I await your usual level headed analysis of this stunning development.
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I'd be willing to bet the stunning developments have only just begun.
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It looks to me like the judge in yesterday's hearing is convinced that the audit workpapers are indeed relevant to Bob and Gailon's defense.
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And just to make sure none of them disappear...
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3ABN has reserved the right to litigate yet another day..that does not constitute an acceptable "final solution" to the subject litigation. However, the affidavitts and the discovery to date and Motion to Dismiss provide sufficient fodder that regardless whether the subject claim continues, or the claim is dismissed, there is a fully ripe claim that has developed all the elements for either a counterclaim or a seperate action against Lawyers and Plaintiffs for misuse of process. Same issues, same discovery process, same court-room, but we just change position from Defendant to Plaintiff.
Of course there are other claims as well and anyone wanting to joinder for good cause will be quite welcome.
And I noticed we had a post regarding the tracking of assetts. We have indeed spoken to an expert in this field with US Treasury Dept Experience. With all the money that has been taken without authority from 3ABN
via various methods over the years, one must assume it was impossible to spend it on a modest Southern Illinois Lifestyle and by an expert at utilizing OPM to have the most elementary issues resolved, such as divorce buyout money from the division of the house. There are a host of other incidents that demonstrate that Danny has utilized his knowledge of the SDA philanthropics to eliminate personal financial burdens.
I believe Yogi is known for the classic statement: It ain't ovah til it's ovah!!!
It ain't over!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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So, can somebody tell me in the Reader's Digest version exactly what this means? Is the lawsuit over?
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So, can somebody tell me in the Reader's Digest version exactly what this means? Is the lawsuit over?
In a word,
NO :o
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Let's just say...
Some of the parties desparately WANT it to be over!! And for the other parties, a song comes to mind...
We've only just begun....
So, can somebody tell me in the Reader's Digest version exactly what this means? Is the lawsuit over?
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Now isn't this an interesting turn of events!
What do people like Ian, Junebug, Sam etc. have to say about this? :wave:
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This reminds me of the time my son dropped the Maple Syrup; the bottle shattered leaving syrup EVERYWHERE! This was years ago, but the other day I opened a cabinet door and there it was; more syrup!
Syrup (Information) about 3ABN has been splattered everywhere! It is impossible to get it all back into a broken bottle! Cleaning up (Damage Control) only smears the mess even more! It is a sticky mess!
The information is out. Too many people know. They waited too long to act.
Was this a Danny decision or a 3ABN decision? Surely they both know the buck has stopped at their door.
How do they explain all of the money spent thus far? Interesting indeed.
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It is time for a prediction. ;D In the near future someone or someones affiliated with the Plaintiffs whether that be a board member, employee, pastor, ministry etc. will resign from their position and/or distance themselves from the lawsuit or the Plaintiffs for possibly four reasons: 1. Personal civil liabilities 2. Personal criminal liabilities 3. Future business and employment opportunities; if that person is known to be affiliated with certain issues in the lawsuit will possibly hamper their reputation and money making abilities. Maybe that is called guilty by association. 4. A need to become in a right relationship with Christ. ;D
They might become witness's in any future court proceedings for the Defendants. The heat may be getting turned up a notch. It is one thing to want a dismissal after all discovery is done and of course common sense tells one that if you want a dismissal a year before trial their are serious concerns with your positions in the complaints.
I believe the Plaintiffs tried to bluff the Defendants thinking that the Defendants would cease all activity against them. However, as time went on the activity has become like a stirred up hornets nest yielding a golden platter of harmful information about the plaintiffs to the defendants.
Bob and Gailon it seems like they misjudged you-BIG TIME :wave:
Time will tell.
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Now isn't this an interesting turn of events!
What do people like Ian, Junebug, Sam etc. have to say about this? :wave:
You know, I was kinda wondering that, too. They've been awfully quiet about it though, haven't they?
I think reality is finally setting in around 3ABNville. And to think, this could have all been avoided.
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Now isn't this an interesting turn of events!
What do people like Ian, Junebug, Sam etc. have to say about this? :wave:
You know, I was kinda wondering that, too. They've been awfully quiet about it though, haven't they?
I think reality is finally setting in around 3ABNville. And to think, this could have all been avoided.
With a little pondering, one might be able to determine why those Daryl wondered about haven't yet weighed in.
Duane, it would be interesting to hear your perspective on how this all could have been avoided. I'm sure each of us has thoughts about this.
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So now, Danny/3ABN brought the lawsuit against Bob and Gailon, right? Now Danny/3ABN are motioning to drop the lawsuit action, right? So now, when you talk about it not being over, does that mean that Bob and Gailon are going to court to contest the action to stop the lawsuit? Their reasoning being................they were just beginning to enjoy being sued? I really don't mean to be funny, I am just asking.......... :dunno:
Let's just say...
Some of the parties desparately WANT it to be over!! And for the other parties, a song comes to mind...
We've only just begun....
So, can somebody tell me in the Reader's Digest version exactly what this means? Is the lawsuit over?
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I think there should be consequences to those who launch a lawsuit and then want to dismiss it, such as covering all their expenses, apologizing for launching it in the first place, etc. and this is a big etc.
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So now, Danny/3ABN brought the lawsuit against Bob and Gailon, right? Now Danny/3ABN are motioning to drop the lawsuit action, right? So now, when you talk about it not being over, does that mean that Bob and Gailon are going to court to contest the action to stop the lawsuit? Their reasoning being................they were just beginning to enjoy being sued? I really don't mean to be funny, I am just asking.......... :dunno:
Let's just say...
Some of the parties desparately WANT it to be over!! And for the other parties, a song comes to mind...
We've only just begun....
So, can somebody tell me in the Reader's Digest version exactly what this means? Is the lawsuit over?
Excellent point Di. I recall numerous posts calling for 3abn to drop the law suit. In fact, it might be appropriate to look at a selection of them. I am shortening some but those interested can click on quote link to see the full post:
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Which brings us to the question, Are Danny and 3ABN willing to forgive and drop the lawsuit? Instead of asking us whether we are willing to forgive, folks ought to be asking them.
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Perhaps what Danny Shelton, Walt Thompson, and the rest really need to do is send us a letter thanking us for dealing with a situation that had gone on far too long before we ever entered the picture. They need to get over their personal vendettas or whatever their complex is, and drop the lawsuit that was in retaliation for us doing the right thing. It's their Christian duty.
If they've forgiven, why is the lawsuit still going on?
Rick,
See if you can talk to 3ABN/Danny and get them to throw in the towel.
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Moreover, such a move would be unprecedented in the history of our denomination. When have we ever had someone accused of sexual assault, private inurement, unbiblical divorce, wrongfully terminating folks, filing a frivolous lawsuit, covering up child molestation allegations, lying about so many different things, and he still gets to continue on as if nothing happened? Without apologies, without restitution, and without dropping the frivolous lawsuit he started!
The one problem, Rick, is that I'm not the one who sued, so it isn't my choice to stop or even draw back. As long as they continue this suit, it can't be over.
According to their own time table, today they are 11 months late giving us a demand to settle. 11 months late!
Reply #58 on: June 01, 2008, 09:09:56 PM by Sister: (http://www.adventtalk.com/forums/index.php/topic,541.msg6603.html#msg6603)
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What individuals have stated is that they hate is the hypocrisy that has gone on behind the scenes at 3ABN. If 3ABN is now as successful as you claim, than why does Danny continue the lawsuits against other Adventists?
So, it is pretty clear from even this small selection of posts that some wanted to see it over. I'm just curious about who exactly is singing "We've only just begun"... Are they willing to weigh in and explain why they feel that way?
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So, can somebody tell me in the Reader's Digest version exactly what this means? Is the lawsuit over?
No, it is not over...they have filed a MOTION to dismiss...it will be opposed for several reasons, not the least of which being the failure to request a dismissal with prejudice, and to specifically retain the right to litigate later...you mean after the documents are destoryed???
There will also be a battle by both sides for sanctions and a tolling of the costs.
This was clearly an attempt to avoid the required production of a pile for pending document requests and a half dozen additional subpoena's. It is probable the Motion to Dismiss will fail as it condones contempt!!!
Regardless, this motion has fully cured a claim for misuse of process and a host of other claims...get the point?
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Yep, I was wondering about that. It seems that in the documents they filed it was pretty clear that they really don't want anyone to see what is in the Remnant Publications documents. It seems that they want this closed and those documents kepts under seal and returned forthwith. It seems that there was a general change in attitude and in actions and reactions the moment Remnant turned the documents over to you guys. Then they jeopardized themselves and their lawyers by filing for dismissal. Those documents must hold some devastating secrets, I would guess.
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As with all evidence in the 3ABN vs Joy case, they confirmed our sources, and then some!!!
Keep in mind, we were developing a case that would survive the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" to assure an easy decision based upon the real standard of "the preponderence of the evidence". I prefer overkill to a possible resurrection!!!
In our discussions it was becoming a common theme: "just how deep do we want to bury these miscreants?...is six feet, ten feet, twenty feet or forty feet deep enough?" and the constant conclusion was "deep enough so they cannot be resurrected!!!"
It was getting pretty deep!!! And they had already compromised the legal team with a clearly frivolous lawsuit. They put up a stiff fight, but discovery was definitely going far further than they ever intended or thought possible.
But I will take FULLY RIPE CLAIMS for a frivolous suit sued under the tort "misuse of process" and a handful of other claims, than to be defending the indefensible!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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As with all evidence in the 3ABN vs Joy case, they confirmed our sources, and then some!!!
Keep in mind, we were developing a case that would survive the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" to assure an easy decision based upon the real standard of "the preponderence of the evidence". I prefer overkill to a possible resurrection!!!
In our discussions it was becoming a common theme: "just how deep do we want to bury these miscreants?...is six feet, ten feet, twenty feet or forty feet deep enough?" and the constant conclusion was "deep enough so they cannot be resurrected!!!"
It was getting pretty deep!!! And they had already compromised the legal team with a clearly frivolous lawsuit. They put up a stiff fight, but discovery was definitely going far further than they ever intended or thought possible.
But I will take FULLY RIPE CLAIMS for a frivolous suit sued under the tort "misuse of process" and a handful of other claims, than to be defending the indefensible!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon, as many have said before, Danny has a long history of threatening and bullying people when he wants them to be quiet. (So does Tommy, for that matter.) It has gone on for so long and with such success that he just expects the same results he has always gotten. You and Bob, however, have not followed the path that he is used to, and he honestly doesn't know how to handle that. It's just never been this way before.
Danny definitely started squirming when these last documents were pried from his hands. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out why the motion to dismiss was filed. There's something in there he does NOT want anyone else to see.
For those who used to watch "WKRP in Cincinnati", Danny reminds me of Mr. Carlson's mother when she was inviting everyone to join her in a game of pool. She said, "Let me explain the house rules. If anyone gets ahead of me, they lose a turn. We all play very hard and in the end, I win. Any questions?"
I want to thank you and Bob for sticking with this. 3ABN is too good a ministry to be in the hands of a power hungry bully.
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I trust Gailon's adequately responds to Di's and GrandmaNettie's posts here. :wave:
It makes sense to carefully look at the specifics of a motion for dismissal and to make some of their own demands in relation to that in regards to re-imbursement of their expenses by 3ABN/Danny Shelton, not to be able to resurrect the lawsuit again, etc., and I do mean etc., whatever those etcs. are.
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As with all evidence in the 3ABN vs Joy case, they confirmed our sources, and then some!!!
Keep in mind, we were developing a case that would survive the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" to assure an easy decision based upon the real standard of "the preponderence of the evidence". I prefer overkill to a possible resurrection!!!
In our discussions it was becoming a common theme: "just how deep do we want to bury these miscreants?...is six feet, ten feet, twenty feet or forty feet deep enough?" and the constant conclusion was "deep enough so they cannot be resurrected!!!"
It was getting pretty deep!!! And they had already compromised the legal team with a clearly frivolous lawsuit. They put up a stiff fight, but discovery was definitely going far further than they ever intended or thought possible.
But I will take FULLY RIPE CLAIMS for a frivolous suit sued under the tort "misuse of process" and a handful of other claims, than to be defending the indefensible!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon, as many have said before, Danny has a long history of threatening and bullying people when he wants them to be quiet. (So does Tommy, for that matter.) It has gone on for so long and with such success that he just expects the same results he has always gotten. You and Bob, however, have not followed the path that he is used to, and he honestly doesn't know how to handle that. It's just never been this way before.
Danny definitely started squirming when these last documents were pried from his hands. It doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure out why the motion to dismiss was filed. There's something in there he does NOT want anyone else to see.
For those who used to watch "WKRP in Cincinnati", Danny reminds me of Mr. Carlson's mother when she was inviting everyone to join her in a game of pool. She said, "Let me explain the house rules. If anyone gets ahead of me, they lose a turn. We all play very hard and in the end, I win. Any questions?"
I want to thank you and Bob for sticking with this. 3ABN is too good a ministry to be in the hands of a power hungry bully.
You, above most others, have felt the pain of their outrageous conduct!!! I wish you would consider pursuing the Philistines all the way tp Cairo!!! Or at least to the Federal Courthouse in Benton.
The Federal Bench in Benton has seen enough to know that the Face of Adventism is seriously flawed. I would say the same is true in Minnesotta, Michigan, Worcester and anywhere else we have pursued subpoena's. Simply put, 3ABN is a blight on Seventh-day Adventism and has no place in the final episodes in world eschatology. Better to put your money to work in the printed word that will surely survive the inevitable challenges to the the licenses of all the Media Ministries.
Anyone who reads the Counsels can see plainly how the work is finished!!! Read and put your money into the distributions of "Great Controversy", "Desire of Ages" and a host of other books written by EG White and watch the conversions rise as world events prove the Old Gray Haired Lady was prophetic!!!
In a few short years we have seen towers going up to heaven "burn like pitch", we have seen Islands move out of their place and some virtually disappear below the waves in the Sunami. We ar watching as the great businessmen of the world "struggle in vain" to put business back on a sound footing. Soon, VERY SOON, national apostacy will be followed by National Ruin!!!
Ladies and Gentlemen, put your money into the printed word!!! And share it with those who are unaware of the terrible "time of trouble" ahead or the ultimate end of probation for us all!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Now, I do understand that some things would need to be worked out. I might can even see you filing something claiming they wasted your time and money for 18 mos. But I am with Grandma, you all used to call for the law suit be dismissed and have recently called it frivolous. We all know Danny was just mad cuz' his buisness was in the street.
.....Well let me stop here a minute since I am already here.......Danny didn't realize that in tryna' to put Linda's business in the street, he would also be putting his own or no one would put his or something........guess he don't read much in itihe book of Esther(VeggieTales has a great version if you don't want to read)........when you build a noose for somebody else...........it just might end of being for you, right? LOL!!! Sorry, just had to take that detour.
But hey! Whatever floats your boat.
BTW, Thanks for answering GJ. I was beginning to think you were ignoring me. ;D
No, it is not over...they have filed a MOTION to dismiss...it will be opposed for several reasons, not the least of which being the failure to request a dismissal with prejudice, and to specifically retain the right to litigate later...you mean after the documents are destoryed???
There will also be a battle by both sides for sanctions and a tolling of the costs.
This was clearly an attempt to avoid the required production of a pile for pending document requests and a half dozen additional subpoena's. It is probable the Motion to Dismiss will fail as it condones contempt!!!
Regardless, this motion has fully cured a claim for misuse of process and a host of other claims...get the point?
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Here is Bob's response to 3ABN and Danny's Motion to Dismiss the case. The more I hear, the more disgusted I get.
Bob has become quite the lawyer!!
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Thank You Snoopy for Bob's response. It should be read by all. We get to see the real issues first hand. I guess that might mean some of the poster's opinions about what they think might be occurring in the lawsuit are worth very little. I can see more clearly now. The motion to dismiss will be denied.
Snoopy, you might consider having Bob write your victory speech for President on this coming Tuesday. ;D :dogwag: :puppykisses: :usa:
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Thank You Snoopy for Bob's response. It should be read by all. We get to see the real issues first hand. I guess that might mean some of the poster's opinions about what they think might be occurring in the lawsuit are worth very little. I can see more clearly now. The motion to dismiss will be denied.
Snoopy, you might consider having Bob write your victory speech for President on this coming Tuesday. ;D :dogwag: :puppykisses: :usa:
Sorry, Wendall, but we lost this round...the judge definitely allowed the Voluntary Motion for Dismissal, but invited us all back to his courtroom if we could not get along!!!
Guess what, I already decided we are not getting along!!! Besides, I am not finished with Danny Lee Shelton yet!!! That man cannot become the phoenix and I don't care how much Jimmy likes the boy...he is a King and you know what they do with conquered kings? Ask the czar and his entire family!!!
In pursuit of justice!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Gailon, you do not know what spirit you are of. Threats and instilling fear is not from God who tells us that "perfect love casts out fear".
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Gailon, you do not know what spirit you are of. Threats and instilling fear is not from God who tells us that "perfect love casts out fear".
Then can you, Donna, explain the threats, instilling of fear, and the threats of instilling of fear from Danny and various others at 3ABN? Can you explain how that is of God? Can you explain how blackmail and the perpetual pursuit of of people including the woman who stood at his side until Danny dumped her and took on a fresh new girl younger than his daughter is the reflection of Christ? Can you explain how calling, using his cronies to call, and spreading lies and saying that there is evidence that could not, and does not exist, is there to keep the people who Danny and 3ABN cannot tolerate because they no longer believe in him or his organization from living and working and existing in their communities, and trying to destroy their careers and lives is perfect love?
Whatever 3ABN is the face of is certainly reflected in the love, forgiveness and beautiful joy of Sam, Ian, Steffan, and other 3ABN viewers and representative like themselves. Are Sam and Ian any more beautiful and filled with love and Christian joy than what you see in Gailon? Sam's prayers that people will get sued and his constantly stated desire for people to suffer, go to jail and be put through agony makes him the perfect representative of 3ABN and people like you who hold that the dissemination of a theology supercedes individuals and human souls.
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Wow, that was quick!!!
Was the decision by the judge done before or after reading the response provided as a download by Snoopy?
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Daryl:
This is the way our legal system works. When I learned that 3-ABN/Danny Shelton had filed a motion to dismiss the case I asked a male attorney friend of mine what would likely happen. He quickly informed me that the Court was very likelly to substantially grant the motion to dismiss. Then he explained why. It made sense.
The ball, so to speak, in now in the other court. It is up to Gailon and Bob to file litigation, if they chose to do so, and I expect that they will do so.
I have said all along that each side would win some and each side will lose some. I expect the same.
I frankly expect that Gailon and Bob will win a major battle, should they continue to fight. But, I do not expect that they will win everything.
3-ABN was within their rights to file the litigation against Gailon and Bob. Now Gailon and Bob are within their rights to file litigation of their own. We, shall simply have to watch to see how it all plays out and who wins what.
Gregory Matthews
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Gregory:
Didn't you say the opposite about this after the so called exoneration of 3ABN by the IRS in that this result of the IRS investigation would go against Joy & Pickle to the point where they wouldn't win the lawsuit, or am I not recalling this correctly?
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Daryl;
Very good question.
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Daryl:
You are essentially correct and I am not going to quible over minor points.
This litigation has morphed into a number of areas. I have never commented on some of the legal issues that are now under consideration other than to say that I expected each side to win some and to lose some.
My comment in regard to the IRS was directly related to the lawsuit that 3-ABN and Danny Shelton had filed against Gailon and Bob. Yes, I stated that I believed that the IRS results (which is denied by some) made it harder for Gailon and Bob to prevail in that lawsuit.
I understand that the above lawsuit has been dismissed. If I am wrong I will have to relook at the current situation. My current understanding of the legal situation is that the potential exists for Gailon and Bob to win a major victory on one of the tangential issues that has previously been in the background and now may come to the fore-front. Am I 100% certain? No I am not. It will clearly depend on what Gailon and Bob do next. It will clearly depend on what ruling the court makes on regard to that issue.
O.K. So, I think that a potential exists for a major victory, what about the rest? On most of the rest I do not have an opinion and I simply revert to what I have said in the past: Each side will likely win some and lose some. Nothing is a slam dunk.
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Yes, Wendall. There were a lot of very interesting tidbits in there. I would hire the Bob & Gailon team any day!
And, by the way, Wendall..... :puppykisses:..........just for you! And Sir Pumpkin sends tuna kisses, too!!
Thank You Snoopy for Bob's response. It should be read by all. We get to see the real issues first hand. I guess that might mean some of the poster's opinions about what they think might be occurring in the lawsuit are worth very little. I can see more clearly now. The motion to dismiss will be denied.
Snoopy, you might consider having Bob write your victory speech for President on this coming Tuesday. ;D :dogwag: :puppykisses: :usa:
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Here is Bob's response to 3ABN and Danny's Motion to Dismiss the case. The more I hear, the more disgusted I get.
Bob has become quite the lawyer!!
Indeed he has. Credit where credit is due. Bob and Gailon have more or less put their lives 'on hold' with this matter. I admire their tenacity and their professionalism.
I felt sickened as I read that DS/3abn wanted the case dismissed 'Without prejudice' and with all documentation returned, which meant that they could open the case again, just whenever it suited them. Talk about dirty tricks, but when has anything been different from that side?
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I agree, Chrissie. However, I would not be surprised at all to see the Bob/Gailon team tackle yet another dirty trick with brilliant legal strategy.
Indeed he has. Credit where credit is due. Bob and Gailon have more or less put their lives 'on hold' with this matter. I admire their tenacity and their professionalism.
I felt sickened as I read that DS/3abn wanted the case dismissed 'Without prejudice' and with all documentation returned, which meant that they could open the case again, just whenever it suited them. Talk about dirty tricks, but when has anything been different from that side?
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I see Bob and Gailon as a couple that were drug where they did not want to go.
This took them into the area of it being necessary to stop their livelihood to learn how to defend themselves and in the process Bob and Gailon have excelled.
Many have said that necessity is the mother of invention. Necessity, in this case, has brought about excellence.
On any learning curve there will be lessons learned through mistakes. These mistake teach valuable lessons. It is a shame others can not let that go and see the end result of their efforts. I have never expected perfection of anyone. I don't want people picking at me for my mistakes. When people start that, I wonder if this is not a habit that has been the case for years.
When we know people for years from posting, you become aware that some people, including myself never change.
I have not been surprised at the turn of these discussions during the past few months.
I am behind any action of Bob and Gailon. They have the right to make their own mistakes and successes since it is their lives that are affected by Danny and 3ABN's assault on their lives to try to take away their freedom of speech! God did not put me in that situation because he knew I could not do it. He did not make a mistake in choosing Bob and Gailon.
What ever their choice is, I am behind it. I am not in their shoes and do not have all the facts they have. I only have facts about eBay and what auditors found.
Therefore, I concede to them to make what-ever choice God directs them to take. I will back them up and help in any way I can!
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I see Bob and Gailon as a couple that were drug where they did not want to go.
This took them into the area of it being necessary to stop their livelihood to learn how to defend themselves and in the process Bob and Gailon have excelled.
Many have said that necessity is the mother of invention. Necessity, in this case, has brought about excellence.
On any learning curve there will be lessons learned through mistakes. These mistake teach valuable lessons. It is a shame others can not let that go and see the end result of their efforts. I have never expected perfection of anyone. I don't want people picking at me for my mistakes. When people start that, I wonder if this is not a habit that has been the case for years.
When we know people for years from posting, you become aware that some people, including myself never change.
I have not been surprised at the turn of these discussions during the past few months.
I am behind any action of Bob and Gailon. They have the right to make their own mistakes and successes since it is their lives that are affected by Danny and 3ABN's assault on their lives to try to take away their freedom of speech! God did not put me in that situation because he knew I could not do it. He did not make a mistake in choosing Bob and Gailon.
What ever their choice is, I am behind it. I am not in their shoes and do not have all the facts they have. I only have facts about eBay and what auditors found.
Therefore, I concede to them to make what-ever choice God directs them to take. I will back them up and help in any way I can!
Well said, Fran! I completely agree. :thumbsup:
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According to Walt Thompson's Affidavit in Support of the Motion to Dismiss, "3ABN's donation levels have returned to the level they enjoyed before the attack..." Quoted from that document:
8. Last week, the Board reviewed figures showing that 3ABN’s donation levels have returned to the level they enjoyed before the attack on our reputation began. We think this shows that the public’s confidence in 3ABN has been restored. When the Board came to the conclusion that 3ABN’s reputation was no longer being significantly harmed by the Defendants’ activities and that continuation of the lawsuit could not achieve more than what we had already achieved by other means, it was time to shut the lawsuit down.
But I just got a beg-a-letter in the mail from co-President Jim Gilley. In the third paragraph he says "I don't ever want to 'cry wolf'...I have bent over backwards in the past not to be an alarmist..." And later, "I am not the only pastor sounding this alarm."
So according to Dr. Thompson, 3ABN is "enjoying" donation levels they saw a couple of years ago. But Jim Gilley is "sounding the alarm" and not wanting to "cry wolf". So, which is it?
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And just recently at the Fall 3ABN Campmeeting they talked like the financial situattion there is at an all-time low. But, maybe it went from doom to "We're in the money..." in a matter of not many weeks.
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...and then back to doom and gloom again??
Only two weeks before that 2007 Form 990 should be filed...
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But according to Guidestar it may be another 2 months before it is posted on their website.
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Sorry, Wendall, but we lost this round...the judge definitely allowed the Voluntary Motion for Dismissal, but invited us all back to his courtroom if we could not get along!!!
Guess what, I already decided we are not getting along!!! Besides, I am not finished with Danny Lee Shelton yet!!! That man cannot become the phoenix and I don't care how much Jimmy likes the boy...he is a King and you know what they do with conquered kings? Ask the czar and his entire family!!!
In pursuit of justice!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon,
You and Bob would commit a sacrilege to allow Danny Shelton and his gang of evil men to get away with it! It is time for them to suffer the consequences of all their evil deeds and to be humiliated into the dust!!! They must be made an example to all the world for their perversion of faith, and for turning 3ABN into the home of crooks and impostors!
Eduard
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Sorry, Wendall, but we lost this round...the judge definitely allowed the Voluntary Motion for Dismissal, but invited us all back to his courtroom if we could not get along!!!
Guess what, I already decided we are not getting along!!! Besides, I am not finished with Danny Lee Shelton yet!!! That man cannot become the phoenix and I don't care how much Jimmy likes the boy...he is a King and you know what they do with conquered kings? Ask the czar and his entire family!!!
In pursuit of justice!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
Gailon,
You and Bob would commit a sacrilege to allow Danny Shelton and his gang of evil men to get away with it! It is time for them to suffer the consequences of all their evil deeds and to be humiliated into the dust!!! They must be made an example to all the world for their perversion of faith, and for turning 3ABN into the home of crooks and impostors!
Eduard
When men use evil words towards their fellow men, it reflects back on themselves tenfold.
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Junebug;
Thank you for reminding me of this fact.
I live in a glass house, do you?
It is a not just for you and me, but for everyone.
I will be more careful with my words, will you too?
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I agree, Eduard. But I haven't seen Bob here in the last couple of days. I'd be willing to bet that something is up those collective pro se sleeves... Stay tuned!
Gailon,
You and Bob would commit a sacrilege to allow Danny Shelton and his gang of evil men to get away with it! It is time for them to suffer the consequences of all their evil deeds and to be humiliated into the dust!!! They must be made an example to all the world for their perversion of faith, and for turning 3ABN into the home of crooks and impostors!
Eduard
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Snoopy,
What do you mean by co-President Jim Gilley?
I thought there was only one president of 3ABN with others being referred to as vice-presidents.
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From page 17 of the Defendants' Memorandum in Opposition to Plaintiffs' Motion for Voluntary Dismissal:
"The Plaintiffs wish this Court to find as fact that donations are back up since 3ABN’s
reputation has been restored, solely on Thompson’s hearsay testimony. If they are indeed up, is it
because of donations from the general public, or from insiders like 3ABN Board members or ASI
officers? Is it because the public believes that Shelton has been replaced as president by Jim
Gilley (hereafter “Gilley”), even though public filings after Gilley took over still report Shelton
as being president? (Pickle Aff. ¶ 43, Ex. QQ–RR). Or is Thompson’s claim a bald faced lie?
Snoopy,
What do you mean by co-President Jim Gilley?
I thought there was only one president of 3ABN with others being referred to as vice-presidents.
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Gailon, you do not know what spirit you are of. Threats and instilling fear is not from God who tells us that "perfect love casts out fear".
Donna,
I know and have felt and experienced the "spirit of 3ABN", the Face of Adventism. I have met and spoken with dozens of others who have also felt the pain and suffering of a devilish ministry that is a hypocricy of Adventism. I have seen them willing to misrepresent and hide the facts and spend hundreds of thousands to prevent the discovery of the truth!!! THAT IS AS MEDIEVAL PAPAL AS THIS NONE-CHURCH SHOULD EVER BE ALLOWED TO GET!!!
I have watched as anyone with legitimate concerns within their grasp are sacrificed and caste aside, their careers crushed by the powers of this "blemish on Adventism". And I have watched as people like yourself ignore the blatant and most obvious truth to defend these misreants and pretend that they are saints, when in fact they are wolves in sheeps clothing.
Donna, they are blasphemy on Adventism and need to be identified and exposed for what they are. Just as the Medieval Papacy needs to be identified and exposed, so the miscreant administration of 3ABN must be identified and exposed.
And those who blindly suspport this balsphemy need equal exposure!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Have you not proven what I said to begin with? What you think you know and have felt and experienced was only bolstered by finding others who instead of acknowledging and accepting that they were suffering the consequences of their own choices and actions placed the blame on 3ABN and those who work there instead. Now again, instead of facing and accepting what spirit has led to the means that you have used it seems easier for you to try to explain that it does not matter because the end justifies the means. Again, you do not know what spirit you are of. I will not be responding further on this.
Gailon, you do not know what spirit you are of. Threats and instilling fear is not from God who tells us that "perfect love casts out fear".
Donna,
I know and have felt and experienced the "spirit of 3ABN", the Face of Adventism. I have met and spoken with dozens of others who have also felt the pain and suffering of a devilish ministry that is a hypocricy of Adventism. I have seen them willing to misrepresent and hide the facts and spend hundreds of thousands to prevent the discovery of the truth!!! THAT IS AS MEDIEVAL PAPAL AS THIS NONE-CHURCH SHOULD EVER BE ALLOWED TO GET!!!
I have watched as anyone with legitimate concerns within their grasp are sacrificed and caste aside, their careers crushed by the powers of this "blemish on Adventism". And I have watched as people like yourself ignore the blatant and most obvious truth to defend these misreants and pretend that they are saints, when in fact they are wolves in sheeps clothing.
Donna, they are blasphemy on Adventism and need to be identified and exposed for what they are. Just as the Medieval Papacy needs to be identified and exposed, so the miscreant administration of 3ABN must be identified and exposed.
And those who blindly suspport this balsphemy need equal exposure!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Donna,
When Jesus was brought to judgement and execution, people said that he brought it on himself and that his crucifixion was the consequence of his own actions. You know what? they were right. His actions caused evil people to bring about a public whipping, a long walk with the instrument of his death carried on his shoulder, nails to be hammered through his wrists and his heels, and a spear to be stabbed through his heart. In mockery a wreath of thorns was pressed into his head, and a robe was placed on him. He was accused of all manner of horrible things and because the great and glorious religious leaders who needed him discredited said those things they were believed. and a host of Donnas stood around cheering on his torture and death, stating he he brought it on himself and deserved it.
All of this has happened to to many people including Stephen, Paul, Peter, John, and a host of millions of people over the past 2000 years. also, throughout the odeal the Jesus endured, and throughout what all of those others endured there were Donnas out there cheering on their torture and deaths. There were Donnas there smuggly stating that these people were just suffering the consequences of their own actions and that those who stood up for them were evil and wrong for standing up to the religious leaders and defending people like Jesus. There have always been, and always will be Donnas out there making sure that the majority is justified by being the majority, and that evil, pain, suffering, lies, and torture are lauded, perpetuated and held up as the work of Christ, Just as was done by the medieval Catholic church and it's pet Donnas. You are nothing new. You have have been around for thousands of years in many faces and forms enjoying, perpetuating, and causing the suffering and torture of millions. You will also be around for a very long time doing the same. So, see you at the guillotine as you hurtle rotten veggies at the victims.
Donnas are all the proof that the Bill Mahrs of the world need to prove their point, and you Donnas do a better job of destroying faith in Christianity than any Catholic doctrine, Muslim terrorism, or anti-christ 666 machines could ever do. You, Donna, are the spirit that drives people away from christianity and especially from the SDA group. That spirit of making sure that victims are victimized, that victimizers are empowered, and that potential victims are terrorized, that lies become truth through majority rule is the reflection of thousands of years of religious persecution and rule of wrong.
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Have you not proven what I said to begin with? What you think you know and have felt and experienced was only bolstered by finding others who instead of acknowledging and accepting that they were suffering the consequences of their own choices and actions placed the blame on 3ABN and those who work there instead. Now again, instead of facing and accepting what spirit has led to the means that you have used it seems easier for you to try to explain that it does not matter because the end justifies the means. Again, you do not know what spirit you are of. I will not be responding further on this.
Donna,
I guess you have forgotten that for decades Danny Shelton and his gang have terrorized all those who did not act as their slaves. Danny Shelton is criminal who under religious disguise has deceived gullible people and has taken their money away in order to use that money for his personal purposes. He has, with malice, accused his wife of commiting adultery and has persecuted her for years, pursuing her destruction. He has fired all those at 3ABN who disagreed with his evil actions. He has threatened, harrased, and attacked all those who have dared to expose his evil deeds and criminal activities. What kind of spirit has led him and his accomplices to act in such a despicable way towards people? The Spirit of Christ? You are one of his accomplices, as you have defended his evil deeds in the past two years with a fervor that should have been dedicated to a just cause - to bring him to accountability and justice.
Danny Shelton and all the evil men on the 3ABN board must be treated as felons and must suffer the consequences of their evil actions in the court of law. People must know that impostors and perverts like Danny Shelton and his men will not get away with such behavior. All Danny Shelton's victims must be avenged and vindicated. This is God's way, and if you don't know it then you have never read the Bible.
Eduard
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Donna,
When Jesus was brought to judgement and execution, people said that he brought it on himself and that his crucifixion was the consequence of his own actions. You know what? they were right. His actions caused evil people to bring about a public whipping, a long walk with the instrument of his death carried on his shoulder, nails to be hammered through his wrists and his heels, and a spear to be stabbed through his heart. In mockery a wreath of thorns was pressed into his head, and a robe was placed on him. He was accused of all manner of horrible things and because the great and glorious religious leaders who needed him discredited said those things they were believed. and a host of Donnas stood around cheering on his torture and death, stating he he brought it on himself and deserved it.
All of this has happened to to many people including Stephen, Paul, Peter, John, and a host of millions of people over the past 2000 years. also, throughout the odeal the Jesus endured, and throughout what all of those others endured there were Donnas out there cheering on their torture and deaths. There were Donnas there smuggly stating that these people were just suffering the consequences of their own actions and that those who stood up for them were evil and wrong for standing up to the religious leaders and defending people like Jesus. There have always been, and always will be Donnas out there making sure that the majority is justified by being the majority, and that evil, pain, suffering, lies, and torture are lauded, perpetuated and held up as the work of Christ, Just as was done by the medieval Catholic church and it's pet Donnas. You are nothing new. You have have been around for thousands of years in many faces and forms enjoying, perpetuating, and causing the suffering and torture of millions. You will also be around for a very long time doing the same. So, see you at the guillotine as you hurtle rotten veggies at the victims.
Donnas are all the proof that the Bill Mahrs of the world need to prove their point, and you Donnas do a better job of destroying faith in Christianity than any Catholic doctrine, Muslim terrorism, or anti-christ 666 machines could ever do. You, Donna, are the spirit that drives people away from christianity and especially from the SDA group. That spirit of making sure that victims are victimized, that victimizers are empowered, and that potential victims are terrorized, that lies become truth through majority rule is the reflection of thousands of years of religious persecution and rule of wrong.
And I fear this Donna might just be a member of the cheering crowd who know not what reality is, like you, Habanero. What you state here is part of your own flesh and blood and personal experience. I wonder where Donna would stand today if she had experienced what you have - and a host of others?
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Donna,
When Jesus was brought to judgement and execution, people said that he brought it on himself and that his crucifixion was the consequence of his own actions. You know what? they were right. His actions caused evil people to bring about a public whipping, a long walk with the instrument of his death carried on his shoulder, nails to be hammered through his wrists and his heels, and a spear to be stabbed through his heart. In mockery a wreath of thorns was pressed into his head, and a robe was placed on him. He was accused of all manner of horrible things and because the great and glorious religious leaders who needed him discredited said those things they were believed. and a host of Donnas stood around cheering on his torture and death, stating he he brought it on himself and deserved it.
All of this has happened to to many people including Stephen, Paul, Peter, John, and a host of millions of people over the past 2000 years. also, throughout the odeal the Jesus endured, and throughout what all of those others endured there were Donnas out there cheering on their torture and deaths. There were Donnas there smuggly stating that these people were just suffering the consequences of their own actions and that those who stood up for them were evil and wrong for standing up to the religious leaders and defending people like Jesus. There have always been, and always will be Donnas out there making sure that the majority is justified by being the majority, and that evil, pain, suffering, lies, and torture are lauded, perpetuated and held up as the work of Christ, Just as was done by the medieval Catholic church and it's pet Donnas. You are nothing new. You have have been around for thousands of years in many faces and forms enjoying, perpetuating, and causing the suffering and torture of millions. You will also be around for a very long time doing the same. So, see you at the guillotine as you hurtle rotten veggies at the victims.
Donnas are all the proof that the Bill Mahrs of the world need to prove their point, and you Donnas do a better job of destroying faith in Christianity than any Catholic doctrine, Muslim terrorism, or anti-christ 666 machines could ever do. You, Donna, are the spirit that drives people away from christianity and especially from the SDA group. That spirit of making sure that victims are victimized, that victimizers are empowered, and that potential victims are terrorized, that lies become truth through majority rule is the reflection of thousands of years of religious persecution and rule of wrong.
And I fear this Donna might just be a member of the cheering crowd who know not what reality is, like you, Habanero. What you state here is part of your own flesh and blood and personal experience. I wonder where Donna would stand today if she had experienced what you have - and a host of others?
Whoa!!! Donna...you live in a fatal dreamworld that underscores open and notorious sin right at the entity that is the FACE OF ADVENTISM. It is hypocricy that you endorse. The weight of evidence is so devastatingly weighing down on Danny Lee Shelton
and the Shelton business known as 3ABN, they could not stand in the face of a trial!!! They ran under fire...wimps that they are!!!
BUT, WE WILL MOST CERTAINLY GIVE THEM YET A SECOND CHANCE TO FACE A JURY OF PEERS!!! THEY WILL NOT BE ALLOWED
TO FADE AWAY WITHOUT THE FULL WEIGHT OF JUDGEMENT FINALLY BEING FELT!!!
And it will not be on a single front!!! Rest assured all will be challenged until they choose a more civilized resolution!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I see that an appeal has been filed. Good for you, Bob and Gailon!
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I see that an appeal has been filed. Good for you, Bob and Gailon!
What is the appeal appealing?
Is that an appeal to not dismiss the lawsuit?
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Yes, or at least not to dismiss it "without prejudice", which means that Danny & Company could file it again if they wanted to. I'll post it here.
I see that an appeal has been filed. Good for you, Bob and Gailon!
What is the appeal appealing?
Is that an appeal to not dismiss the lawsuit?
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Thank you for posting that link, Snoopy--I see now about the appeal.
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DEFENDANTS’ NOTICE OF APPEAL FROM ORDER(S) GRANTING PLAINTIFFS’
MOTION FOR VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Notice is hereby given that Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle, defendants in the above
named case, hereby appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit from the
order(s) granting in its several parts Plaintiffs’ Motion for Voluntary Dismissal without prejudice
entered in this action on the 31st day of October and/or the 3rd day of November, 2008.
Dated: November 13, 2008
and
Respectfully submitted,
/s/ Gailon Arthur Joy, pro se
Gailon Arthur Joy, pro se
P.O. Box 37
Sterling, MA 01564
Tel: (978) 333-3067
/s/ Robert Pickle, pro se
Robert Pickle, pro se
1354 County Highway 21
Halstad, MN 56548
Tel: (218) 456-2568
Fax: (206) 203-3751
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It will be interesting to see what happens next in relation to this.
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DEFENDANTS’ NOTICE OF APPEAL FROM ORDER(S) GRANTING PLAINTIFFS’
MOTION FOR VOLUNTARY DISMISSAL WITHOUT PREJUDICE
Notice is hereby given that Gailon Arthur Joy and Robert Pickle, defendants in the above
named case, hereby appeal to the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit from the
order(s) granting in its several parts Plaintiffs’ Motion for Voluntary Dismissal without prejudice
entered in this action on the 31st day of October and/or the 3rd day of November, 2008.
Dated: November 13, 2008
and
Respectfully submitted,
/s/ Gailon Arthur Joy, pro se
Gailon Arthur Joy, pro se
P.O. Box 37
Sterling, MA 01564
Tel: (978) 333-3067
/s/ Robert Pickle, pro se
Robert Pickle, pro se
1354 County Highway 21
Halstad, MN 56548
Tel: (218) 456-2568
Fax: (206) 203-3751
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Duh-h-h, Because I am a know-nothing in the area of legal documents, just what, exactly, does this document signify? :dunno: :help:
Thanks, all you legal eagles! :wave:
GrammieT :beagle:
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GrammieT,
What this means is that Bob and Gailon are asking a higher court to review the Judge's order to dismiss the case. The way it stands now, the lawsuit 3ABN/DS brought against Bob and Gailon is closed at the request of 3ABN/DS but 3ABN/DS could reinstate it any time if they change their minds. Bob and Gailon have a problem with that, and I don't blame them!
Snoopy
Duh-h-h, Because I am a know-nothing in the area of legal documents, just what, exactly, does this document signify? :dunno: :help:
Thanks, all you legal eagles! :wave:
GrammieT :beagle:
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And it is my understanding that Pickle and Joy will have to return to the sources some of the evidence the court has ordered given to them if they haven't already done so. The evidence could be destroyed and then the lawsuit could be reinstated by the plaintiffs right where they left off but without danger of that evidence being used against them.
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Sounds like a strategy from the same playbook we have been seeing. Very sad.
And it is my understanding that Pickle and Joy will have to return to the sources some of the evidence the court has ordered given to them if they haven't already done so. The evidence could be destroyed and then the lawsuit could be reinstated by the plaintiffs right where they left off but without danger of that evidence being used against them.
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And it is my understanding that Pickle and Joy will have to return to the sources some of the evidence the court has ordered given to them if they haven't already done so. The evidence could be destroyed and then the lawsuit could be reinstated by the plaintiffs right where they left off but without danger of that evidence being used against them.
Does the appeal against the dismissal enable them to retain their evidence, until the appeal is heard?
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And it is my understanding that Pickle and Joy will have to return to the sources some of the evidence the court has ordered given to them if they haven't already done so. The evidence could be destroyed and then the lawsuit could be reinstated by the plaintiffs right where they left off but without danger of that evidence being used against them.
Does the appeal against the dismissal enable them to retain their evidence, until the appeal is heard?
Hold your horses and let's see what the next motion is!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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I read elsewhere that Joy/Pickle and even Snoopy are requesting renumeration to the tune of $30,000.00 and $20,000.00 respectively. They said this information is in PACER.
Is there any truth to any of the above? :wave:
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After posting what I posted here, I looked for, found, and downloaded that which supports what I read elsewhere and posted here.
Here they are for downloading.
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I read elsewhere that Joy/Pickle and even Snoopy are requesting renumeration to the tune of $30,000.00 and $20,000.00 respectively. They said this information is in PACER.
Is there any truth to any of the above? :wave:
You mean remuneration instead of renumeration.
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Good. And when it comes to Snoopy, of course she should submit a bill and expect to be paid for her accounting services, just like 3ABN's accountants, and all the others do.
If Gailon and Bob believe they have been had and think they should be reimbursed for their time, expenses, and efforts, then of course they should seek it.
The statements made elsewhere that Snoopy, Bob, and Gailon are just trying to squeeze the donors for their dollars are just ridiculous. When 3ABN's accountants submit their bills is that a means of trying to squeeze donors and deprive "the lord's work" of money? When the lawyers representing 3ABN and Danny submitted their bills to the accounting department at 3ABN were they trying to take away from "the lord's work?" when Danny used 3ABN donor monies in his own personal part of the suit, was he stealing from "the lord's work" to deal with his own personal part of the suit?
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I am in full agreement that they all should be remunerated for all their troubles for the reason that they were the defendants of the lawsuit.
Nobody should be able to both launch and dismiss a lawsuit without paying the price for having it dismissed instead of taking it to the trial and decision stage.
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Breezy said over on 3ABNtalk: "I knew the bottom line was MONEY! Always follow the money trail. These liars will blast on the worldwide web the work God Himself has set up and now wants MONEY for it. Lots of money!!!"
Now if asking 3ABN to pay for the time they made me waste by filing their frivolous lawsuit against me means I had them sue me because I wanted money, I wonder what Breezy thinks about Greg Simpson and company. Greg charges $350 an hour, 14 times what I charge folks in my community. Does Breezy think that Simpson and company took this case simply for the money, motivated 14 times as much by greed as supposedly I was motivated?
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Good question.
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I think it was Breezy Sam who said over there that I had never set foot on 3ABN property. Go figure! I have PICTURES!!
Breezy said over on 3ABNtalk: "I knew the bottom line was MONEY! Always follow the money trail. These liars will blast on the worldwide web the work God Himself has set up and now wants MONEY for it. Lots of money!!!"
Now if asking 3ABN to pay for the time they made me waste by filing their frivolous lawsuit against me means I had them sue me because I wanted money, I wonder what Breezy thinks about Greg Simpson and company. Greg charges $350 an hour, 14 times what I charge folks in my community. Does Breezy think that Simpson and company took this case simply for the money, motivated 14 times as much by greed as supposedly I was motivated?
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Breezy said over on 3ABNtalk: "I knew the bottom line was MONEY! Always follow the money trail. These liars will blast on the worldwide web the work God Himself has set up and now wants MONEY for it. Lots of money!!!"
Now if asking 3ABN to pay for the time they made me waste by filing their frivolous lawsuit against me means I had them sue me because I wanted money, I wonder what Breezy thinks about Greg Simpson and company. Greg charges $350 an hour, 14 times what I charge folks in my community. Does Breezy think that Simpson and company took this case simply for the money, motivated 14 times as much by greed as supposedly I was motivated?
Bob your logic never ceases to astound.
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Good question.
Howso? Please explain.
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I saw it as a good question in that Joy & Pickle put in a lot of time, travel, and court and other expenses in relation to their defense of this lawsuit against them.
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I wonder if we aren't heading into this territory: "..evil imparted also returns again." Thoughts from the Mount of Blessing p. 136
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Breezy said over on 3ABNtalk: "I knew the bottom line was MONEY! Always follow the money trail. These liars will blast on the worldwide web the work God Himself has set up and now wants MONEY for it. Lots of money!!!"
Now if asking 3ABN to pay for the time they made me waste by filing their frivolous lawsuit against me means I had them sue me because I wanted money, I wonder what Breezy thinks about Greg Simpson and company. Greg charges $350 an hour, 14 times what I charge folks in my community. Does Breezy think that Simpson and company took this case simply for the money, motivated 14 times as much by greed as supposedly I was motivated?
Bob your logic never ceases to astound.
One thing for sure, none of us have asked for nearly $129,000 in one week, or nearly $500,000 in royalties in a year. How motivated by money does such things make Danny Shelton out to be, since he made such amounts to 3ABN's detriment in 1998 and 2006?
And to hinder Simpson from harassing me and threatening me over absolutely nothing, the nearly $500,000 figure is derived from Remnant's Form 990's and sources. If I don't say that I may get some sort of threatening letter from him.
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So the lawyer has not dismissed the case?
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It appears that their game plan is to use the confidentiality order of the dismissed case to continue to harass and threaten us.
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Confidentiality order of the dismissed case?
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Correct. If they can assert that something we say came from an alleged confidential document, Simpson will try to harass us, even if we got the same info or document from another source.
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Isn't this one of the reasons why the dismissal of the lawsuit is being appealed?
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Bob, Since Simpson doesn't work for free, Is it safe to say that he is probably still getting paid to keep after you? In spite of the fact that the reason 3ABN says they have dropped the lawsuit is because according to them what you do or say suppsedly isn't affecting them much anymore.
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I agree, childoftheking. Simpson and company most certainly don't work for free, although Breezy Sam thinks that Bob and Gailon and I should! You raise a great point about why 3ABN dropped the lawsuit, and one reason why I am so anxious to see the 2007 filing.
Bob, Since Simpson doesn't work for free, Is it safe to say that he is probably still getting paid to keep after you? In spite of the fact that the reason 3ABN says they have dropped the lawsuit is because according to them what you do or say suppsedly isn't affecting them much anymore.
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Focus on the Family Cuts 200 Jobs (http://www.adventistreview.org/article.php?id=2227)
If Focus on the Family is hurting that badly, how can 3ABN's donation be back up to pre-controversy levels?
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Ok so, you all know I was out of comission for a bit.........Now what happened? The 3ABN lawyersare still contacting Bob and Gailon...for what reason? Once again, somebody please explain to me why the motion to dismiss the lawsuit if being appealed......by Bob and Gailon? I am just asking, because, just a month or two ago there was a thread by Bob, saying the money used in the lawsuit could be put to better use by helping storm victims......I can't find that thread at this moment.......plus numerous bashings of Danny suing "within the "Household of Faith". Now that the suit has been dropped.................you didn't really want it dropped all that time? Just somebody put it in plain simple English for me...I am on meds right now. Why would you want them to continue to sue you? I am really just trying to understand. This seems more complicated by the day.
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Princess Di so glad you are doing better and are back. I don't think that Bob and Gailon mind the lawsuit being dropped but the way it was dropped they had to give back all the confidential evidence they had gotten. So The plaintiffs could destroy it and then sue them again at any time without the danger of that evidence being used. They don't want to have that threat hanging over their heads all the time. That seems to me to be the main thing they want changed. Plus they would like to be reimbursed for some of what they have had to spend to defend themselves.
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Di, not 90 minutes had gone by before we got another threat, and then another one the next day. If the case had gone to trial, they would not be able to issue the threats that they did.
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Thank you Daryl. Sorry, you know I been on meds lately.
So Bob, Gailon, y'all didn't make copies? LOL!!! Ok so, you wanted it dismissed "with prejudice" meaning they could not just change their minds on a bad day. 90 mins. eh?
Thank you both for making things clear.
Di, not 90 minutes had gone by before we got another threat, and then another one the next day. If the case had gone to trial, they would not be able to issue the threats that they did.
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They don't want us keeping copies of anything substantive.
The games haven't ceased. Hide everything, cover up everything, don't let anything see the light of day.
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They don't want us keeping copies of anything substantive.
The games haven't ceased. Hide everything, cover up everything, don't let anything see the light of day.
Rest assured, Bob, we are not the only ones watching anymore...despite their pretentions, the gig is up and they are watched like vipers they be in the chicken hatchery!!!
The one lesson Danny Lee Shelton has clearly learned is that the discovery we had promised he got!!! Try filing suit again against anyone, anywhere and he will find me there offering FREE discovery advise. Much to DANNY LEE SHELTON's chagrin, the documents were definitely coming our way, and could not withstand the light of day in a US DIstrict court before a jury of our peers!!! He definitely turned out to be the factually challenged pickpocket we claimed he was and then some!!! What else counts!!!
Can't wait for the next round!!! And it is a comin'!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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Here is the latest substantive filing in 3ABN's defamation case against Bob and Gailon. As expected, 3ABN and Danny Shelton don't think they should have to pay for Bob and Gailon's expenses. I guess they think they can just file suit against somebody in federal court, tie up the defendants' lives for 18 months, change their minds when they don't like the direction the lawsuit is going, and expect not to have to compensate for the damages their actions caused. I guess we'll see what the Court says.
By the way, here is a link to the United States Code, Section 1920 which is referenced several times in the attached document:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00001920----000-.html
And the text of that link:
A judge or clerk of any court of the United States may tax as costs the following:
(1) Fees of the clerk and marshal;
(2) Fees of the court reporter for all or any part of the stenographic transcript necessarily obtained for use in the case;
(3) Fees and disbursements for printing and witnesses;
(4) Fees for exemplification and copies of papers necessarily obtained for use in the case;
(5) Docket fees under section 1923 of this title;
(6) Compensation of court appointed experts, compensation of interpreters, and salaries, fees, expenses, and costs of special interpretation services under section 1828 of this title.
A bill of costs shall be filed in the case and, upon allowance, included in the judgment or decree.
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I find it interesting that they didn't even get Attorney Heal's hourly rate correct in their motion!! Attention to detail??
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But isn't this generally one main point of companies/corporations suing "the little guy"? That they wil not be able to hang finacially. I believe it had been said a time or two about this particular lawsuit, if I remember correctly. I would not look for the court to side with Bob and Gailon on this one. As I understand it the only way for Danny/3ABN to pay their legal expenses is if the lawsuit progressed to it's conclusion, and they won, is for the judge to order it(because is Danny won, the judge would not then order for him to pay Bob and Gailon's legal fees). If not, every man for themselves. But I could be wrong.
Here is the latest substantive filing in 3ABN's defamation case against Bob and Gailon. As expected, 3ABN and Danny Shelton don't think they should have to pay for Bob and Gailon's expenses. I guess they think they can just file suit against somebody in federal court, tie up the defendants' lives for 18 months, change their minds when they don't like the direction the lawsuit is going, and expect not to have to compensate for the damages their actions caused. I guess we'll see what the Court says.
By the way, here is a link to the United States Code, Section 1920 which is referenced several times in the attached document:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode28/usc_sec_28_00001920----000-.html
And the text of that link:
A judge or clerk of any court of the United States may tax as costs the following:
(1) Fees of the clerk and marshal;
(2) Fees of the court reporter for all or any part of the stenographic transcript necessarily obtained for use in the case;
(3) Fees and disbursements for printing and witnesses;
(4) Fees for exemplification and copies of papers necessarily obtained for use in the case;
(5) Docket fees under section 1923 of this title;
(6) Compensation of court appointed experts, compensation of interpreters, and salaries, fees, expenses, and costs of special interpretation services under section 1828 of this title.
A bill of costs shall be filed in the case and, upon allowance, included in the judgment or decree.
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And here is the Defendants' reply to Simpson's motion to oppose costs.
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But isn't this generally one main point of companies/corporations suing "the little guy"? That they wil not be able to hang finacially. I believe it had been said a time or two about this particular lawsuit, if I remember correctly. I would not look for the court to side with Bob and Gailon on this one. As I understand it the only way for Danny/3ABN to pay their legal expenses is if the lawsuit progressed to it's conclusion, and they won, is for the judge to order it(because is Danny won, the judge would not then order for him to pay Bob and Gailon's legal fees). If not, every man for themselves. But I could be wrong.
Not necessarily. Payment of costs "often" occurs if the plaintiffs ask for a voluntary dismissal.
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Even though I have issues here in relation to other things, I do applaud Joy & Pickle for their guts and stamina in relation to their standing against a big organization such as 3ABN and their fleet of lawyers.
My hat off to you both in regards to that.
I will be glad, however, when this whole mess is behind us.
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Even though I have issues here in relation to other things, I do applaud Joy & Pickle for their guts and stamina in relation to their standing against a big organization such as 3ABN and their fleet of lawyers.
My hat off to you both in regards to that.
I will be glad, however, when this whole mess is behind us.
Is Danny Lee Shelton still at 3ABN?
Is he still an adulterer divorced without biblical grounds and remarried?
Has he repaid 3ABN the hundreds of thousands he converted to his personal use as President and CEO and THE Founder?
Has he paid Linda for her fair share of the marital estate that he owes? Has he apologized to the many victims of maladministration, including the Trust Services employees from 2006?
Has this perpetrator of the Three Angels messages confessed his errors and asked forgiveness in humility of spirit to a single victim or to the television audience to which he was such a blazing hypocrit?
Has Danny Lee Shelton, Brenda Walsh, Walter Thomspson or the Three Angels Broadcasting Board apologized for the failure of Due Process and the conspiracy to destroy Linda Sue Shelton ever since?
THEN HOW COULD IT BE OVER?
For those that are tired of the conflict, do as the vast majority of Gideon's Army did and GO HOME!!! The Lord does not need you to finish this conflict. It will not take many at all to finish this conflict, for the Lord will most certainly render His judgement in time!!
If He knows what I know, it is difficult to believe that He has not already reigned down fire and brimstone to put an end to this hypocisy...but then His patience far exceeds my own!!!
But be assured that He does have His limit's.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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AMEN!
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Very well said!!
Is Danny Lee Shelton still at 3ABN?
Is he still an adulterer divorced without biblical grounds and remarried?
Has he repaid 3ABN the hundreds of thousands he converted to his personal use as President and CEO and THE Founder?
Has he paid Linda for her fair share of the marital estate that he owes? Has he apologized to the manuy victims of maladministration, including the Trust Services employees from 2006?
Has this perpetrator of the Three Angels messages confessed his errors and asked forgiveness in humility of spirit to a single victim or to the television audience to which he was such a blazing hypocrit?
Has Danny Lee Shelton, Brenda Walsh, Walter Thomspson or the Three Angels Broadcasting Board apologized for the failure of Due Process and the conspiracy to destroy Linda Sue Shelton ever since?
THEN HOW COULD IT BE OVER?
For those that are tired of the conflict, do as the vast majority of Gideon's Army did and GO HOME!!! The Lord does not need you to finish this conflict. It will not take many at all to finish this conflict, for the Lord will most certainly render His judgement in time!!
If He knows what I know, it is difficult to believe that He has not already reigned down fire and brimstone to put an end to this hypocisy...but then His patience far exceeds my own!!!
But be assured that He does have His limit's.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Has he paid Linda for her fair share of the marital estate that he owes? Has he apologized to the many victims of maladministration, including the Trust Services employees from 2006?
I haven't gotten an apology yet for this stupid lawsuit.
Has Danny Lee Shelton, Brenda Walsh, Walter Thomspson or the Three Angels Broadcasting Board apologized for the failure of Due Process and the conspiracy to destroy Linda Sue Shelton ever since?
It seems odd that when the 3ABN Board voted on May 30, 2004, to remove Linda from the board and from being vice-president, that they also voted on May 30 to fire her two weeks later. Why didn't they just fire on May 30? Why did they vote on May 30 to fire her two weeks later?
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As far as I recall Kay Kuzma stated in a post on BSDA that Linda was not fired. Do you recall if there are similar statements from others? So who was stating the truth?
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http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=kuzma&pid=22614 (http://www.blacksda.com/forums/index.php?act=findpost&hl=kuzma&pid=22614) is where Kay Kuzma says that Linda was never fired. That is not the truth. The board voted on May 30, 2004, to terminate Linda about two weeks later.
However, given how super secretive Danny and his cronies have been, it is possible that Kay Kuzma didn't know the truth. If that is the case, she can't be faulted for saying what she thought was true.
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Gailon,
Who are you directing this post towards, or should I say against?
Even though I have issues here in relation to other things, I do applaud Joy & Pickle for their guts and stamina in relation to their standing against a big organization such as 3ABN and their fleet of lawyers.
My hat off to you both in regards to that.
I will be glad, however, when this whole mess is behind us.
Is Danny Lee Shelton still at 3ABN?
Is he still an adulterer divorced without biblical grounds and remarried?
Has he repaid 3ABN the hundreds of thousands he converted to his personal use as President and CEO and THE Founder?
Has he paid Linda for her fair share of the marital estate that he owes? Has he apologized to the many victims of maladministration, including the Trust Services employees from 2006?
Has this perpetrator of the Three Angels messages confessed his errors and asked forgiveness in humility of spirit to a single victim or to the television audience to which he was such a blazing hypocrit?
Has Danny Lee Shelton, Brenda Walsh, Walter Thomspson or the Three Angels Broadcasting Board apologized for the failure of Due Process and the conspiracy to destroy Linda Sue Shelton ever since?
THEN HOW COULD IT BE OVER?
For those that are tired of the conflict, do as the vast majority of Gideon's Army did and GO HOME!!! The Lord does not need you to finish this conflict. It will not take many at all to finish this conflict, for the Lord will most certainly render His judgement in time!!
If He knows what I know, it is difficult to believe that He has not already reigned down fire and brimstone to put an end to this hypocisy...but then His patience far exceeds my own!!!
But be assured that He does have His limit's.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Even though I have issues here in relation to other things, I do applaud Joy & Pickle for their guts and stamina in relation to their standing against a big organization such as 3ABN and their fleet of lawyers.
My hat off to you both in regards to that.
I will be glad, however, when this whole mess is behind us.
Is Danny Lee Shelton still at 3ABN?
Is he still an adulterer divorced without biblical grounds and remarried?
Has he repaid 3ABN the hundreds of thousands he converted to his personal use as President and CEO and THE Founder?
Has he paid Linda for her fair share of the marital estate that he owes? Has he apologized to the many victims of maladministration, including the Trust Services employees from 2006?
Has this perpetrator of the Three Angels messages confessed his errors and asked forgiveness in humility of spirit to a single victim or to the television audience to which he was such a blazing hypocrit?
Has Danny Lee Shelton, Brenda Walsh, Walter Thomspson or the Three Angels Broadcasting Board apologized for the failure of Due Process and the conspiracy to destroy Linda Sue Shelton ever since?
THEN HOW COULD IT BE OVER?
For those that are tired of the conflict, do as the vast majority of Gideon's Army did and GO HOME!!! The Lord does not need you to finish this conflict. It will not take many at all to finish this conflict, for the Lord will most certainly render His judgement in time!!
If He knows what I know, it is difficult to believe that He has not already reigned down fire and brimstone to put an end to this hypocisy...but then His patience far exceeds my own!!!
But be assured that He does have His limit's.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Oh, they have gone home. This discussion has dwindled down to a hand full of hardcore anti-Danny zealots who can't get enough of rehashing the same old arguments and stories of 5 years ago. I thought this would end after the lawsuit was dropped. But I think not since none of these demands Joy described are likely to happen. This won't end until you folks are dead and gone.
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Oh, they have gone home. This discussion has dwindled down to a hand full of hardcore anti-Danny zealots who can't get enough of rehashing the same old arguments and stories of 5 years ago. I thought this would end after the lawsuit was dropped. But I think not since none of these demands Joy described is likely to happen. This won't end until you folks are dead and gone.
Calvin, not 90 minutes had gone by after the status conference was over on Oct. 30, and they had threatened us again, and yet again on Oct. 31. Thus, one has to wonder whether they REALLY dropped the lawsuit.
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Alright Bob, I am not close to the situation, so it could be that they really have not dropped the lawsuit. Although it is hard for me to believe that 3abn really has any intend to continue spending time, money, and energy on this. But from what I read here, the final resolution of these lawsuits will not matter to you and others here in continuing to fan the flames of this saga.
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Oh, they have gone home. This discussion has dwindled down to a hand full of hardcore anti-Danny zealots who can't get enough of rehashing the same old arguments and stories of 5 years ago. I thought this would end after the lawsuit was dropped. But I think not since none of these demands Joy described are likely to happen. This won't end until you folks are dead and gone.
Calvin,
I think it is time for you to go home, too. Your ignorance and impertinence are not entertaining. Go and boss around the people on your forum. OK? It is time for you to grow up.
Eduard
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Does someone think this is finished?
Not quite, as far as I understand. Danny Shelton might want to get rid of the case he started against Bob Pickle and Gailon Arthur Joy. Could that be so that he can concentrate on his court case with Linda Sue Shelton?
It appear like Danny is claiming he has no funds to make a settlement with Linda, and yet it is not long ago he still had funds for Private Investigators trailing Linda? Is that reasonable?
He still seems to do all he can to blacken Linda's reputation. Why is he doing this? It appears to me he is rather digging his own grave.
No money for a settlement with Linda? And yet he managed to build a new home, uses two new vehicles and it looks like his bride had money for school. Where did he get the money for all this?
A new hearing in this court case is scheduled for January 6. And what is the issue? Something about a protective order. Who knows what he is trying to do? Protection against what? Himself? Trying to make the settlement as difficult as possible? In stead of closing this case it seems like he tries to drag this case out as long as possible - and to make it very expensive!!!
It is hard for me to believe too that Danny just wants continue spending time, money, and energy on this rather than making a final settlement with Linda? Will he never let go of Linda?
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Eduard doesn't speak for me. I for one am quite gratefull for the hospitality that Calvin provided on his forum and I don't think everybody realizes what courage it took him to do so and to protect of the identities of posters. I welcome him and his opinions. He may not feel as strongly as some about the need to continue to pursue the truth to the end, but he has every right to speak his mind.
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The mentality that this is the same old news being rehashed for five years never ceases to amaze me. As a donor to 3ABN, as much as I regret it, I am very interested to know the resolution of all of these allegations regardless of how long it takes. To say this discussion is just rehashing the same old stuff is very close-minded, IMO. As long as it doesn't affect them directly, why should anyone else care? What if we were talking about an unsolved murder? According to this logic, if it isn't resolved in a specified period of time it should just be forgotten. Case closed. No more discussion... :dunno:
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Like Daryl said earlier, I too admire your perseverance and tenacity in perusing what you so adamantly believe are the injustices at 3abn. I hold no ill will for you fighting for what you believe. But like most Adventist and 3abn viewers/contributors I no longer share your interest or passion.
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Oh, they have gone home. This discussion has dwindled down to a hand full of hardcore anti-Danny zealots who can't get enough of rehashing the same old arguments and stories of 5 years ago. I thought this would end after the lawsuit was dropped. But I think not since none of these demands Joy described are likely to happen. This won't end until you folks are dead and gone.
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Alright Bob, I am not close to the situation, so it could be that they really have not dropped the lawsuit. Although it is hard for me to believe that 3abn really has any intend to continue spending time, money, and energy on this. But from what I read here, the final resolution of these lawsuits will not matter to you and others here in continuing to fan the flames of this saga.
Like Daryl said earlier, I too admire your perseverance and tenacity in perusing what you so adamantly believe are the injustices at 3abn. I hold no ill will for you fighting for what you believe. But like most Adventist and 3abn viewers/contributors I no longer share your interest or passion.
Calvin,
You have made your point: You just don’t get it! While you think that what we are doing here is just a waste of time, WE ARE CRYING FOR JUSTICE! WE ARE ASKING FOR THE WRONGS TO BE MADE RIGHT!
It is not over yet! The man who threatened you with a lawsuit if you did not report to him all the people who posted on Black SDA about the evils that were happening at 3ABN, the man who has harassed hundreds of people and fired dozens of employees at 3ABN because they did not agree with him, or protested his wrong actions, the man who has lived a perverted live, who has committed adultery for years, who has stolen money from 3ABN, who has lied, and cheated, well, that man still pretends that nothing happened, that he never did anything wrong.
He has sued Bob and Gailon and has harassed them for three years claiming that they were spreading lies about him. He has hired 13 (?) attorneys to defend his “innocence” and has paid them millions from the donations to 3ABN. Now, when Bob and Gailon have in their hands documents that would put him in prison, this man is doing everything he can to prevent these fellows from showing to the world who the real man, the “prophet” Shelton is. He has dropped the lawsuit because it is getting too hot for him. He is afraid now. He is scared that all the people will find out FINALLY, what a sick and perverted man he is.
Danny Shelton and his mercenaries have to pay for all the evil they had done, and the time is coming!
I don’t expect you to understand all I wrote, but maybe you can ask someone to explain the things to you once and for all!
Eduard
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Eduard,
It's disrespectful posts like this that is turning me off to all of this forum stuff to the extent that I may decide close it all down over at Maritime and let Advent Talk and 3ABN Talk bash it out at each other in their respective forums.
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Online friend update :rabbit:
I would like to add Princessdi, Calvin and Sonshineonme to my online SDA friends. I apologize for not posting you all on my original list.
Ta for now
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Online friend update :rabbit:
I would like to add Princessdi, Calvin and Sonshineonme to my online SDA friends. I apologize for not posting you all on my original list.
Ta for now
You are cute!! I was feeling left out there... :hot:
It's a real privilege! Thank you for adding me ;)
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Mr. Pickle, you have victimized Ms. Shelton as much as her other accusers.
Huh?
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Mr. Pickle, you have victimized Ms. Shelton as much as her other accusers.
Huh?
Ummm....you know...Save3abn.com...Law suits...arguing the issue on message boards...You don't think those internet discussions weren't hurtful or harmful? I guess Gailon is partially responsible for that too. So I apologize for laying all that at your feet.
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Johann you are are an angel and dear dear person. And a shining example of the right way of being for those in the men behaving badly camp.
Nice of you, but how dare you trust me when I am called a bad liar elsewhere?
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Mr. Pickle, you have victimized Ms. Shelton as much as her other accusers.
Huh?
Ummm....you know...Save3abn.com...Law suits...arguing the issue on message boards...You don't think those internet discussions weren't hurtful or harmful? I guess Gailon is partially responsible for that too. So I apologize for laying all that at your feet.
I guess you'd have to be more specific. We aren't the ones who sued, Save3ABN.com demonstrates the Danny didn't have a basis for divorcing Linda, I'm not sure what has been harmful or hurtful.
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Mr. Pickle, you have victimized Ms. Shelton as much as her other accusers.
Huh?
Ummm....you know...Save3abn.com...Law suits...arguing the issue on message boards...You don't think those internet discussions weren't hurtful or harmful? I guess Gailon is partially responsible for that too. So I apologize for laying all that at your feet.
I guess you'd have to be more specific. We aren't the ones who sued, Save3ABN.com demonstrates the Danny didn't have a basis for divorcing Linda, I'm not sure what has been harmful or hurtful.
Every time you bring up all the supposed wrong doings of her ex husband. You drag her back into it...because a divorce should be a private matter...Not all of the internet for public consumption.
apologies for late reply. I had a child in the ER with a broken elbow.
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I guess you'd have to be more specific. We aren't the ones who sued, Save3ABN.com demonstrates the Danny didn't have a basis for divorcing Linda, I'm not sure what has been harmful or hurtful.
Every time you bring up all the supposed wrong doings of her ex husband. You drag her back into it...because a divorce should be a private matter...Not all of the internet for public consumption.
apologies for late reply. I had a child in the ER with a broken elbow.
Danny made it a matter of public consumption when he went on the air and said what he did. He also made Linda's daughter's sexual assault allegations against him and the child molestation allegations against Tommy matters of public consumption through global, public broadcasts. And then he made it all a matter of public consumption by filing suit.
As a church member I have a say regarding who serves in offices in the local church. If Danny is going to appear on my neighbor's TV, I should be able to share my concerns regarding his unbiblical divorce and his abuse of power.
Is your child all right?
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I guess you'd have to be more specific. We aren't the ones who sued, Save3ABN.com demonstrates the Danny didn't have a basis for divorcing Linda, I'm not sure what has been harmful or hurtful.
Every time you bring up all the supposed wrong doings of her ex husband. You drag her back into it...because a divorce should be a private matter...Not all of the internet for public consumption.
apologies for late reply. I had a child in the ER with a broken elbow.
Danny made it a matter of public consumption when he went on the air and said what he did. He also made Linda's daughter's sexual assault allegations against him and the child molestation allegations against Tommy matters of public consumption through global, public broadcasts. And then he made it all a matter of public consumption by filing suit.
As a church member I have a say regarding who serves in offices in the local church. If Danny is going to appear on my neighbor's TV, I should be able to share my concerns regarding his unbiblical divorce and his abuse of power.
Is your child all right?
Just because Mr. Shelton made it public doesn't mean it should be rehashed ad infinitum. It's out there on the internet now and will be there forever. The time has come to let God handle this.
That being said, I hope you and the other defendants get your expenses from the plaintiffs as they shouldn't be allowed to attempt to use the courts to bully people and then drop the case when it looks like they might actually lose..
The Kidlet will mend..She slid departing the school bus. I'm still waiting for a call back for cat scan of the affected area. Thank you for asking.
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WillowRun, your "kidlet" will be in our prayers. God bless you and yours and have a blessed Sabbath!
Your friend, Sister
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Has he paid Linda for her fair share of the marital estate that he owes? Has he apologized to the many victims of maladministration, including the Trust Services employees from 2006?
I haven't gotten an apology yet for this stupid lawsuit.
Has Danny Lee Shelton, Brenda Walsh, Walter Thomspson or the Three Angels Broadcasting Board apologized for the failure of Due Process and the conspiracy to destroy Linda Sue Shelton ever since?
It seems odd that when the 3ABN Board voted on May 30, 2004, to remove Linda from the board and from being vice-president, that they also voted on May 30 to fire her two weeks later. Why didn't they just fire on May 30? Why did they vote on May 30 to fire her two weeks later?
Pardon my sardonic commentary, but would you please keep calling this a "stupid" lawsuit? I believe this has been one of the most brilliantly executed litigations I have ever seen...given the players and their education levels, it is a wonder of modern litigation...they could write a book: filing to dismiss (and run from discovery)...or... how to file and loose every time!!!
Pick your title and have fun!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Gailon;
One of the most amazing facts about this lawsuit is the truth about being deceived to new levels. God has warned us that the greatest lights would go out. Before I caught on about what was happening with 3ABN eBay, I thought that 3ABN was was raised up by God and was his instrument to bring Jesus to take us home.
I watched every minute that I could. I was a very busy women back then and had to make time for 3ABN. I was spiritually drawn to Linda and her messages from the "Porch".
I wondered why God chose them! Then I remembered EG White wasn't as educated as Danny and she was a prophet. Danny's lack of education was so apparent, but Linda was more intellectual. Once Doug Bachelor was being interviewed; Danny was asked how he studied to see if the historical messages he received from viewers were the truth thorough the Bible in History. Danny openly said Linda did all the research and gave Danny a report back.
This bothered me a lot. From the way he spoke, I felt he was sliding to heaven on Linda's coat tails! Many times she would be speaking and he would cut her off. Then he would tell the world that Linda said he talked too much and needed to shut up and get on with the program. She never did that on air while I was watching! So, maybe she did.
I admired Danny being so open about his lack of education. In fact, at times I thought Danny used that to impress people like, "Look what I did without all that education people say is needed to preach God's Word!"
Then I was confused about eBay. They were soliciting donations of tangible items, (non-cash). I remember thinking that many people probably had collections they saved for years and decided to give it for God's work. I thought it was really a great idea. I gave to 3ABN through my offerings. At least until I saw what was happening on eBay. Then I stopped. I did not know if Danny was smart enough to be part of it or not.
I began to watch the items sold and bought. Because I was watching items so closely, I noticed something else that really had me concerned. Other people were selling for them. I began to watch all sellers everyday and followed the transactions. I saved pages and pages of eBay in PDF format. I made purchases and saw I was right. 3ABN did not get the money!
This was happening 1998-2006. In 2003, I got a call from a fellow that has an ear filled with all the church undercurrents within the Adventist church. He told me the boat was rocking at 3ABN. A group of prayer warriors were allegedly praying to get rid of Linda. I heard that Garwin McNeilus alleged told Danny to get rid of her, and he didn't care what it cost; he would cover it.
This was before the doctor came into the picture. Then I received another call. Allegedly Linda was having an affair with a doctor that was treating her son. I thought it might be true! I decided to gather all the information I could lay my hands on. I pulled out the emails I had received for and against Danny or 3ABN. I felt I needed to know the truth of the matter enough for my understanding.
I began a time-line in PDF format. I inserted posts from CA, VOAR, PM's and emails as they happened. Most people don't look at things chronologically. I was able to satisfy myself that Linda did not have an affair. Nor did she have an inappropriate relationship.
I was receiving news from 3ABN on the Q-T. Linda was fired and Ganny allegedly was trying to get her to do the divorce thing. That was allegedly necessary so Danny could remarry. My email stated filling with information that Brenda Walsh allegedly was with him in his house until the wee hours in the morning.
I heard about him helping Linda with her porch, the Private Investigators even after the divorce. I heard that allegedly Melody and Brenda were doing Danny's laundry and redecorating the house to get rid of the Linda's presence.
I heard this alleged story from several people involved with 3ABN. Yet a few months later I started communicating with one of Danny's public relations people. He told her what to communicate with me. He did not like what I was posting about the 3ABN financial matters. I asked why Brenda was allegedly at his house at all hours of the night while Linda was asleep upstairs. Danny denied Brenda ever being in his and Linda's home, no, not even once. The word from several sources alleged Danny was having an affair with Brenda!
In reading the 3ABN vs. IL Property Tax Lawsuit and began to real, serious problems with 3ABN's accounting. I earnestly prayed about the information coming in. I cried and cried. I still wanted to refuse to believe what was before my eyes. There were some areas of reasonable doubt I had to clear up. I did that and began posting. That is when I gave the timeline and all the information I had to date to the IRS.
It was enough to get replies. It was taken and a case number was assigned. I reported in October 2004. It became a case in January of 2005. From that day to this I have been trying to get the news out that there are serious financial irregularities.
God prepared the way for me to be able to devote many hours to research. I am a retired accountant. I have some things I excel in. I plug loop holes where cash can easily and freely be taken.
From 3ABN's explanations and the audits, I can say 3ABN has serious Cash Control problems. I am doubtful they even today have any cash control procedures set up. They do not have separation of duties!
Then I told one of my dear friends. She refused to listen and said she was going home to give them a donation. Time passed. She now knows and has asked me to forgive her. She said it was just too hard to believe something that she did not want to hear.
This is the dilemma. We, as Adventist are comfortable with the status quo. We don't want change or to change our firm belief system. As we age, we find out some things in life were not as our parents had relayed them to us.
It is like a catholic hearing the truth. Many refuse to believe even when they see it from their own Bibles. They will not listen. They close their ears and continue what they current beliefs are from childhood.
It is hard for Adventists to clearly see what the problem is. They refuse to hear the evidence and facts. Maybe I would be an unbeliever about the facts of 3ABN if I had never done my own research; followed eBay; read the Lawsuit; read the audit reports and read the 990's!
I believe with all my heart God prepared me for this. I became seriously ill in 2000. I was so ill I could not work. I took leave to see if I rested for 6 months, maybe I would be OK. I had to retire medically. As soon as everything was said and done, I went into remission. I wasn't well, but I could work at my desk. I believe the Lord gave me this information about 3ABN. God expected me to follow his will in exposing these facts. I did. I knew it was my job to do.
As time passed, I drifted out of remission. As I believe with all my heart, I believe God sent you, Gailon, and Bob to carry the torch. I have needed a rest. However, I can still breathe occasionally and will still comment occasionally.
I do not know what God's plans are for my life or yours and Bob's. God holds tomorrow. He is in charge. Too many people know the facts now. Some have chosen not to believe, while others see the problem clearly.
When I pray, I pray for the Sheltons, you and Bob, and all of those who read all the evidence. I pray for the Holy Spirit to open the eyes of the unbelievers and lead them to recognize there is are serious problem.
Most of all, I want us all saved in the Kingdom with Christ. I want us all to worship at His feet! I want my children there. God did not give me the task of making people to believe. The Lord is Lord of the Harvest. He will speak to each heart and it is up to the person’s free will. Anyone who commits a crime, will do the time. Yes, even me!
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Fran,
See if "Essaic" on Search Story of Rene Ciasse, would be of interest to you.
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Thank you!
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Fran,
We cannot cure the blind, but it is still our duty to report the truth...to him that has eyes, let him see, to him that hath ears, let him hear and to him that hath a voice, let him speak...time is the proof...remember, Danny lee Shelton can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but he cannot fool all the people all the time...and people are funny, when they realize they have been deceived...their vengeance can be extreme.
Give it time, it will all be revealed in time!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Fran,
We cannot cure the blind, but it is still our duty to report the truth...to him that has eyes, let him see, to him that hath ears, let him hear and to him that hath a voice, let him speak...time is the proof...remember, Danny lee Shelton can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but he cannot fool all the people all the time...and people are funny, when they realize they have been deceived...their vengeance can be extreme.
Give it time, it will all be revealed in time!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
What kind of vengeance do you think people will/can take? How extreme?
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The minimum vengeance for people convinced of wrong doing at 3ABN would probably be stop donating/watching/recommending.
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Emma,
Absolutely, and all Bob and Gailon tried to do was save 3 abn and make it come around to where it was in the right way. But you know the :horse: 's got to eat
or they will die. Meaning all the sympathizers too. I am also realizing that DS has got this far is because most people really are not on computer to even find a lot of this out. I have been put in position that I have not much I can do so in my wanting to know why LS was no longer on 3abn I drifited into finding truth. But something unusual happened last week at church. One lady said afterwards that she was quite concerned on what another lady was finding out on the Internet with Save 3abn. She asked me if I had heard anything about what was truth on the matter. I told her where to look to see documents and facts. It is slow but Adventists will soon grasp what has happened and are already discontent with funds in some of the conferences and how they are being used. It does not go down well when honest people are determined to further the work of God. In fact it is down right appalling. Everyone needs to help a little even financially only to get this stopped. At least we can feel it is used to stop the misuse of the pew money.
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Our God is a big God and He will not be mocked by anyone that "take the name of the Lord thy God in vain" no matter how "great" and "good" their earthly works are.
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If the stockholders in the pews discover that this directorate spent over $2Million Dollars to defend a miscreant founder that had his hands in the till, my guess is they will repudiate the entire ministry and it's directorate. And that is the story that needs to be and will be told in 2009!!!
Gilley should move along before he is thoroughly tainted with the stench of what has gone on here!!! Under his watch they spent millions to defend Danny Lee hselton and they have the gall to request more???
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I will take the above post and e-mail it to many that are not on computer or know of Advent Talk and others can do the same. This is a way to let some Adventists know. I will also send it to an Adventist that has a list that can Mass mail. I just do not have a list like that. PEOPLE !! --HELP THIS CAUSE :help: Wake up and act! instead of letting just a couple or few do all the work.
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by Sunny on Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:43 pm UTC
Did anyone see the Shelton Family Holiday Special? It aired last night and will air again Sunday at 3pm Central time and Tuesday at 8 am. It made my heart glad to see the Shelton Family together, enjoying themselves and still working for Jesus despite all the ridiculous attacks. Hope Pickle and Joy saw it too so they can see they have done no more than waste their time the last 2 years. Yes, after watching the family with their children and their grandchildren and seeing how they relate to one another, PickledJoy tales of the big scary horrendous Shelton's are good for a huge laugh!
Sunny is so on the mark! I couldn't have said it better myself!
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Sam, let's engage in a little bit of theological discussion, whether or not you are Samantha Nelson.
Would you agree that child molestation is a violation of the 7th commandment? Would you agree that the Bible teaches that lying is a sin, and that lying can keep us out of heaven?
Do you agree that the Bible teaches that in order to be saved, we must repent, confess, and seek to make restitution wherever possible?
Do you agree that we cannot be saved by our own works?
Do you agree that the Bible teaches that God wants obedience rather than sacrifice?
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...... It made my heart glad to see the Shelton Family together, enjoying themselves....[/color]
AHHHHHH, It all makes sense to me now.
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You mean that sentimentality and sloppy agape doesn't beat humility and obedience?
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by Sunny on Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:43 pm UTC
Did anyone see the Shelton Family Holiday Special? It aired last night and will air again Sunday at 3pm Central time and Tuesday at 8 am. It made my heart glad to see the Shelton Family together, enjoying themselves and still working for Jesus despite all the ridiculous attacks. Hope Pickle and Joy saw it too so they can see they have done no more than waste their time the last 2 years. Yes, after watching the family with their children and their grandchildren and seeing how they relate to one another, PickledJoy tales of the big scary horrendous Shelton's are good for a huge laugh!
Sunny is so on the mark! I couldn't have said it better myself!
Sam, I just took a look at that program. Tommy was on it. Isn't that a bit strange? I haven't heard a word about him apologizing to anyone the last two years for all the grief and heartache he's caused so many people.
Why would 3ABN have him be a part of a program like that?
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Sam, were all the Sheltons there?
Was Linda there?
If not: If Tommy can be there, why couldn't Linda be there?
I haven't heard anyone accuse Linda of molesting children.
Since Brenda and Danny have been proven to be liars, and since after more than a year and a half of litigation neither Danny nor 3ABN produced a shred of evidence against Linda, there simply must not be any evidence against her.
So I don't get it. Why was Tommy on that program if Linda wasn't?
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1. Linda isn't a Shelton
2. I haven't heard of Linda molesting children either...just men..
3. The only place where Danny and Brenda have "proven" to be liars is in your own mind.
4. Your sorry " I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" is making you look like a fool.
5. What you have against TS is "allegations" and they weren't made during any of his employment time with 3abn.
6. The allegations toward Linda were made, observed and proven during her VP employment at 3abn.
Get a life Bob. Don't you have better things to do over Christmas with your family than rehash your same old stories?
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Sam, were you going to comment about the theological questions I posed above?
1. Linda isn't a Shelton
Sure she is. If you insist that she isn't, then why did Danny have so many non-Sheltons on there and didn't invite Linda non-Shelton too? If Linda isn't a Shelton, then neither is Brandy Shelton and Carol Shelton and a number of others.
2. I haven't heard of Linda molesting children either...just men..
Have any proof of that? Danny can't find any since he refused to produce it in court.
3. The only place where Danny and Brenda have "proven" to be liars is in your own mind.
Not so. Brenda said Linda bought the tickets, when Brenda was the one who reserved them, and 3ABN paid for them, not Linda.
Brenda said Linda's ticket was used, but Delta Airlines says it wasn't.
Danny said that it was vacations taken while they were married that led to the divorce, but Danny said that Linda had told him something on a particular day, so she couldn't have been in Florida then.
And then there's his lie about Linda's car being titled in his name too. And then there's the lie about months of counseling
4. Your sorry " I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" is making you look like a fool.
No, that's not it. The point is that Danny said he would bring it all out in court, and then he refused to do so when he was supposed to. We gave him requests to produce, and he refused to comply. If he had any evidence at all, that was when he was supposed to produce.
Actually, he should have produced it in his Rule 26(a)(1) materials. But he didn't. I can but conclude that he didn't because he couldn't, because he's a bald faced liar.
5. What you have against TS is "allegations" and they weren't made during any of his employment time with 3abn.
What difference would that make? Besides, you're wrong. The new allegations that popped up in Virginia in 2006 popped up when he was still in the employment of 3ABN.
And you are wrong on another count. The sexual misconduct allegation that arose against Tommy in the early 1990's was about an incident that occurred while he was working at 3ABN.
6. The allegations toward Linda were made, observed and proven during her VP employment at 3abn.
Who made them, who observed them, and who proved them?
John Lomacang said he had personally seen hundreds of hours of phone card phone records. That was a lie, was it not? No such thing exists, right?
Since Brenda has been proven to be a liar, her claimed observations don't count. Neither would Danny's.
So tell me who made, who observed, and who proved, and tell me how I can get in touch with them.
Get a life Bob. Don't you have better things to do over Christmas with your family than rehash your same old stories?
Why not tell Danny and his cronies to get a life, and quit hiring lawyers at the tune of $750,000 a year using donor funds to harass and persecute loyal Seventh-day Adventists who believe in church standards, who believe in freedom of speech and press and religion?
Why not tell Danny and his cronies to get a life, and to order Simpson to knock off the harassment and bald faced lies? It would be a super Christmas gift.
Or you just don't like the same old stories? The gospel story predates Tommy and Danny's misconduct by many, many years. Are you tired of the gospel story, Sam?
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"Cast out our sin and enter in."
Sam, have you forgot what Christmas is supposedly all about?
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Sam, I just took a look at that program. Tommy was on it. Isn't that a bit strange? I haven't heard a word about him apologizing to anyone the last two years for all the grief and heartache he's caused so many people.
Why would 3ABN have him be a part of a program like that?
On the contrary, one of the first things Tommy when he was found out did was to write a letter to the Dunn Loring Church whining and complaining about how HE was treated. It was followed shortly thereafter by one from Carol Shelton, Tommy's wife, accomplice and enabler.
Typical Shelton mentality: Our feelings are what is important. Everyone else, inlcluding those who were wronged, can just drop dead.
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Maybe Gilley didn't know.
If the stockholders in the pews discover that this directorate spent over $2Million Dollars to defend a miscreant founder that had his hands in the till, my guess is they will repudiate the entire ministry and it's directorate. And that is the story that needs to be and will be told in 2009!!!
Gilley should move along before he is thoroughly tainted with the stench of what has gone on here!!! Under his watch they spent millions to defend Danny Lee hselton and they have the gall to request more???
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Sammy's back!! Hi Breezy Sam! Merry Christmas!! :wave:
Sammy, you sound so angry! I feel badly for you. Lighten up.
1. Linda isn't a Shelton
2. I haven't heard of Linda molesting children either...just men..
3. The only place where Danny and Brenda have "proven" to be liars is in your own mind.
4. Your sorry " I haven't seen it so it doesn't exist" is making you look like a fool.
5. What you have against TS is "allegations" and they weren't made during any of his employment time with 3abn.
6. The allegations toward Linda were made, observed and proven during her VP employment at 3abn.
Get a life Bob. Don't you have better things to do over Christmas with your family than rehash your same old stories?
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Bob it is exactly these kind of statements and posts that make you lose all credibility. For instance: If Carol Shelton and Brandy Shelton can be on the family special...why not Linda Shelton? Bob, Carol and Brandy are NOT DIVORCED from their spouses. Honestly I'm humiliated for you that I would even have to point that out. How many divorced couples do you know Bob that get together for the holidays with their ex spouses and ex in-laws? This stuff is why no one can take you seriously.
Your constant use of "we can assume then" or "this happened...right"? is pathetic. Once again Bob because you thought it or said it doesn't make it so.
The following will not get through to you but it will make me feel better to point out some things.
In answer to Bob's allegations:
Danny told you all along that this case was not about exposing Linda. What would a copy of a sworn affidavit by an Illinois licensed PI be worth to you Bob?
Would you believe it if the signed affidavit said that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands while walking down the street while still married to Danny (by themselves without Johann..they apparently had tucked him in bed in his own room..) then after 10 PM went for a walk together and held hands for a bit?
Would you believe it if the sworn affidavit by the PI said that they were together in an apartment together after midnight. (Actually it was til 3:00 am).
Bob, maybe you should check Illinois law. I was told by a professional that if a married woman is in an apartment/hotel etc. together after midnight that now the burden of proof goes to the woman to prove she did not commit adultery.
Bob, the reason you are in the mess you are in is because rumor mongers like yourself and Gailon jump on every bit of hearsay gossip that 's out there as though it's truth. Normal reasoning goes out the window.
You make the statement that if Danny didn't show any info about Linda in court then he must not have any. You base that info on the fact that he didn't produce the requested info so therefore you make the dumb assumption that Linda is innocent. Bob this is the reasoning of a small child. That's why you and Gailon should not try to defend yourself. Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are. The "court" did not ask DS to produce any evidence against Linda. You did. Big difference.
Do you really think DS gained the support of Board members and church leaders without giving & showing support for why he was divorced. He has not had a problem all along giving necessary info to those that need to know. But you guys are not the kind of people that any thinking person would give any such info to. He told you that all along didn't he?
The reason for the lawsuit as I understand it was simple. DS knew he had the rightful support of his board and leaders in the church when it came to the divorce. But when you all started accusing DS and 3ABN of stealing and wrong financial doings, 3ABN felt that you should have to prove it in court. They knew all along that you couldn't prove any of your accusations of financial wrong doings. DS and the board has always had outside auditors and have also had attorneys to look over any and all financial dealings as they wanted to maintain their well earned credibility when it comes to taking donors money and investing it in the spreading of the gospel.
No matter how hard headed, prideful and arrogant you are, you were wrong to accuse DS and 3ABN of financial wrong doing. All things work together for good according to the bible and that is what happened in my opinion when you all got the IRS involved. Why? Because only the IRS could clear 3ABN of all your charges of wrong doing...AND THAT THEY DID! The year long investigation was dropped without DS or 3ABN paying one penny to the IRS!
Bob, there's no longer a reason to keep going to court over all the other ridicules things you come up with because you appear ate up with the gossip bug. The donors have heard the truth and have spoken. They see the fruits of 3ABN and they see your fruits of judging and being an accuser of the brethren.
A spiritual person can discern that you have become an agent of the devil by accusing the brethren. Every one makes mistakes including DS but you still, according to the bible, are not the judge, God is. He is the only one that has a right to make everyone's sins public. Sinful people including you and Gailon have no mandate to do such a thing. That's why you have no support from real Christians. Take a look at your followers. Most have records similar to you and Gailon. From convicted embezzlers, self admitted child porn addict, alleged stalker, Crooked Dr. etc,. The bible says judge not that you be not judged. Bob, you and Gailon judged and now the judgement has fallen back on you just as the bible says. We can see all the sins of Gailon Joy and the rest of you but at some point we have to leave you in the hands of God! You are guilty of what you accuse others of.
Example. You are so quick to call people liars and say that they need to repent and apologize publically... Danny said this or Brenda said that and Walt said this and Pastor John said this so they should admit they lied and move on. Yet by your own rules of judgment you lie yet have never apologized for it.
You lied to Wickepedia right? You claimed you were a Dr. because you thought it would give you more credibility about info you were giving to them. Bob a lie is a lie is a lie.
Could we please hear you (going by your own rules) confess that you lied to Wickapedia and to the rest of us. You see what I mean Bob? Now should I make an all out war on you because you lied and won't admit it or do I leave your life in God's hands and let you and he work it out even though I'm still convinced that you lied. There are churches that would drop an SDA's membership over lying to an organization like Wickepedia claiming to be a Dr. when you are far from a Dr. And Bob, didn't you tell the court you are a Pastor? If so, isn't that a lie? We know you are not a licensed SDA Pastor so what is the name of the church you are pastoring? Isn't that misleading...again? Would that also be considered a lie?
Well, what do you think? What can you say? You accuse 3ABN of things that you yourself have done. Your spreading of lies on the net is certainly not a secret sin. These are lies that remove any credibility you may have had. Do I now gather support to send copies of your lie to Wickepedia to every church leader and call for your disfellowship, do I call the secular media and try to expose you? The old saying that the pot calling the kettle black certaninly seems to apply to you. Bob, you have lied over and over, what should we do? You cannot back up the lies about 3abn with proof. Your Wickapedia lie is on there for all the world to see. Didn't Gailon lie to the bankruptcy court? Again, that is in the pacer documents.
Let me throw something out to you and see if you can follow me. What if Danny never owned any proof that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands walking down the street together? Does that mean that whomever paid for the PI report didn't have the proof? Absolutely not! There as been strong hints all along that Danny never paid for a PI but that someone else did. Do you think that Danny has seen the proof including some video of the two together without Johann present?
I would say that there is more than a good chance that he has..wouldn't you! Don't you realize just because you didn't see something in court that it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The owner of the info was never told by the court to show it! You really shouldn't try to be lawyers. You should try to do as the bible says though and be bread winners for your families. I know of no one who has a high opinion of Gailon because not only is he a convicted felon but still denies that he did anything wrong. OOPS! By the way shouldn't he be apologizing to the public for what he did and stop lying about it?
Neither of you are bread winners for your families. Honestly how sad that you have put on the robe of judge rather than put on the mantle of head of the house and bread winner as God ordained. Why not let God be the judge and you guys support your families?
From what I am privy to it seems that DS has told you all along the he will not give into the demands of arrogant self proclaimed judges, with evil intent. No way in the world would any President of any company allow a Gailon Joy for instance to come and do a financial investigation by an unqualified convicted felon (embezzler) just because the convicted felon is demanding that he be allowed access to 3ABN's finances.
Had DS let evil people like Gailon and Bob come to 3ABN and turn over their finances to them ,I for one, would never give another dime to 3ABN. That would be very stupid, foolish and naive of DS and 3ABN. Thank the Lord they stuck to their guns and didn't let you guys try to take over! Lord knows you two have enough of your own problems...trying dealing with them before trying to invent a beam in someone else's eye.
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Bob it is exactly these kind of statements and posts that make you lose all credibility. For instance: If Carol Shelton and Brandy Shelton can be on the family special...why not Linda Shelton? Bob, Carol and Brandy are NOT DIVORCED from their spouses.
Have you forgotten that you are the one, not me, that suggested that the reason why Linda wasn't there was because she wasn't a Shelton? I was only responding to your comment.
How many divorced couples do you know Bob that get together for the holidays with their ex spouses and ex in-laws?
While I was growing up I saw it.
This Christmas season I got a picture from a Christmas party with just two people in the picture, both smiling. They used to be married awhile back.
Your constant use of "we can assume then" or "this happened...right"? is pathetic. Once again Bob because you thought it or said it doesn't make it so.
Could you quote where I said that? Then I can comment.
By the way, do you apply the same standard to Danny Shelton? Just because he said it or thought it doesn't make it so?
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In answer to Bob's allegations:
Danny told you all along that this case was not about exposing Linda.
Evidence that Danny lied again. Check out ¶¶ 38, 39, 40, 46i, 48d, 50, 50a, 50d, 50e, 50g, and 50i at http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-and-danny-v-joy-and-pickle-complaint.htm (http://www.save-3abn.com/3abn-and-danny-v-joy-and-pickle-complaint.htm) and you will find Linda's name. A major part of the lawsuit that Danny filed was to show that he had biblical grounds for divorce bvecause Linda had committed adultery.
So for you to say what you said is evidence that Danny is simply a bald face liar, and a very bad one at that.
What would a copy of a sworn affidavit by an Illinois licensed PI be worth to you Bob?
If that PI is not a bald face liar like Danny Shelton, Brenda Walsh, Walter Thompson, and Gregory Simpson, then it might mean something. Otherwise, it wouldn't mean a thing.
You have to understand something about this Shelton gang. If they would lie when not under oath, their morals are so debased that they just might lie when under oath, if they thought they could get away with it.
Would you believe it if the signed affidavit said that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands while walking down the street while still married to Danny (by themselves without Johann..they apparently had tucked him in bed in his own room..) then after 10 PM went for a walk together and held hands for a bit?
Send it my way! I'll take a look and see if the affidavit stands up to scrutiny better than Danny's claim that his name was on the title of Linda's car.
But your logic is twisted. Danny decided that their marriage was over on April 27, 2004, since Linda had hidden his gun. He wrote Alyssa to that effect, and also sent a proposal to Linda on April 29, just two days later, to buy her half of the house.
So even if what some anonymous PI supposedly said happened the end of May 2004, what does that have to do with Danny deciding to divorce Linda over the non-biblical grounds that she hid his gun? Where is the adultery?
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Would you believe it if the sworn affidavit by the PI said that they were together in an apartment together after midnight. (Actually it was til 3:00 am).
Send it my way, Sam. Danny was too cowardly to produce it in the lawsuit, so I would be greatly appreciative if you could send it my way.
Bob, maybe you should check Illinois law. I was told by a professional that if a married woman is in an apartment/hotel etc. together after midnight that now the burden of proof goes to the woman to prove she did not commit adultery.
Reasonable, for sure. But where's the proof that ever occurred? Where's the proof? If it existed, why was little Danny so terrified to produce it in the lawsuit, when he himself put these issues into the lawsuit? His terror speaks volumes.
I repeat, I served Danny with requests to produce more than a year ago, and Danny refused to produce any of this. He claimed that it was all irrelevant. He claimed it was subject to the non-existent marital privilege.
Sam, I have a suspicion that what you write above is just a parroting of more lies of Danny Lee Shelton. If that affidavit really existed, he would have produced it. He didn't. Why not? To protect Linda? The one he trashed and, through Shelley, likened to the evil Herodias? Hardly.
By the way, has Danny ever been in the company of any woman not his wife after midnight? Brenda? Brandy? Melody? Crystal? Any woman, Sam?
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Bob, the reason you are in the mess you are in is because rumor mongers like yourself and Gailon jump on every bit of hearsay gossip that 's out there as though it's truth. Normal reasoning goes out the window.
Could you please cite the hearsay gossip I jumped on as being truth? Name it, please.
Danny is the one who said his name was on the title. I checked the title out. It wasn't there. Where's the hearsay gossip? And I could go on and on.
But how about Danny? Do you just buy into his hearsay gossip, or do you require him to show you proof for what he says?
You make the statement that if Danny didn't show any info about Linda in court then he must not have any. You base that info on the fact that he didn't produce the requested info so therefore you make the dumb assumption that Linda is innocent.
Seems Christian courtesy dictates that we assume Linda is innocent until proven guilty. Especially since Danny almost a month after the divorce wrote Linda and told her that she was going to get in bed with the doctor IF she hadn't already.
My assumption that Linda was innocent is based on the words of the not-so-great one himself, Danny Lee Shelton. I have a hard time believing he would lie about a thing like that.
Bob this is the reasoning of a small child. That's why you and Gailon should not try to defend yourself. Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are. The "court" did not ask DS to produce any evidence against Linda. You did. Big difference.
Ahh! So maybe Danny wanted the lawsuit dropped before the court could order Danny to produce what he had to produce!
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Do you really think DS gained the support of Board members and church leaders without giving & showing support for why he was divorced.
Absolutely.
What church leaders?
He has not had a problem all along giving necessary info to those that need to know.
This is getting old. "Believe us." "Trust us." Why would anyone be so utterly stupid as to believe a bald face liar like Danny Lee Shelton?
But you guys are not the kind of people that any thinking person would give any such info to. He told you that all along didn't he?
How insulting you are to declare all the people who have given us information to be not thinking people! Including the Oregon Department of Justice and the Illinois Attorney General. You really are outrageous.
So Danny put those things in the lawsuit even though he never planned on producing any evidence? Why then did he sue us?
The reason for the lawsuit as I understand it was simple. DS knew he had the rightful support of his board and leaders in the church when it came to the divorce. But when you all started accusing DS and 3ABN of stealing and wrong financial doings, 3ABN felt that you should have to prove it in court. They knew all along that you couldn't prove any of your accusations of financial wrong doings.
Not so. Danny knew what he had done. he knew about the house deal in 1998. He knew about the Remnant deals. Danny knew.
And don't tell me Walt didn't know. His name is on the 1998 deed.
And don't tell me Mollie Steenson was so ignorant about everything that she didn't have a clue what Danny was doing with his book deals. Making $749,000 to $808,000 in kickbacks and/or royalties from just 2005 to 2007 alone. You don't think Mollie had a clue? Then why is Mollie on the board if she is that dense and out of touch?
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e: Overview of December 3ABN schedule
by Sunny on Fri Dec 26, 2008 2:43 pm UTC
Did anyone see the Shelton Family Holiday Special? It aired last night and will air again Sunday at 3pm Central time and Tuesday at 8 am. ...
Quite interesting that the very first song they all sang was, "Let there be peace on earth, and let it begin with me."
It would be really nice if Danny, Ronnie, and Tommy could practice what they sang. It really is a hideous thing to threaten to sue, and to sue, people who are concerned about child molestation allegations.
Is it peace to sue folks who were concerned about Danny covering up the child molestation allegations against Tommy? Is that peace on earth?
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Bob this is the reasoning of a small child. That's why you and Gailon should not try to defend yourself. Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are. The "court" did not ask DS to produce any evidence against Linda. You did. Big difference.
Ahh! So maybe Danny wanted the lawsuit dropped before the court could order Danny to produce what he had to produce!
Maybe a better question is why Danny would play such a stupid game as sue someone and then refuse to produce documents dealing with what he sued over.
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What would a copy of a sworn affidavit by an Illinois licensed PI be worth to you Bob?
You have an affidavit that says they were holding hands? I have a notarized statement from Linda's daughter saying that Danny sexually assaulted her.
Which is worse? Holding hands or incestuous sexual assault?
Why is Danny still at 3ABN if Linda isn't?
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DS and the board has always had outside auditors and have also had attorneys to look over any and all financial dealings as they wanted to maintain their well earned credibility when it comes to taking donors money and investing it in the spreading of the gospel.
Baloney! We've already shown that Alan Lovejoy helped Danny hide what was going on by calling book sales "video sales" on the summaries he made for the property tax case hearing. To his credit he fessed up during the hearing and admitted that there were book sales in there.
But he put all the newsletter advertising expense under the video sales column, and none under the satellite system column, thus artificially lowering the profits of the video sales to less than what they were.
Plus, he said that 3ABN wasn't making a profit on those video sales when Danny was making a whopping profit on his book sales. That isn't above board in my book.
As far as attorneys go, name which ones you're talking about.
No matter how hard headed, prideful and arrogant you are, you were wrong to accuse DS and 3ABN of financial wrong doing.
When did I do that? And where did I do that? Quotes please, and then I will comment.
I think Danny tried to manipulate the whole controversy into just that. That way he could try to make the immorality allegations against him and Tommy go away.
All things work together for good according to the bible and that is what happened in my opinion when you all got the IRS involved. Why? Because only the IRS could clear 3ABN of all your charges of wrong doing...AND THAT THEY DID! The year long investigation was dropped without DS or 3ABN paying one penny to the IRS!
Don't you know that lying is a sin? What you just wrote is a bald face lie, and I am certain that you know it.
Bob, there's no longer a reason to keep going to court over all the other ridicules things you come up with because you appear ate up with the gossip bug. The donors have heard the truth and have spoken. They see the fruits of 3ABN and they see your fruits of judging and being an accuser of the brethren.
Donors who see the fruit of Danny Shelton are utterly disgusted and repulsed.
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Yet by your own rules of judgment you lie yet have never apologized for it.
You lied to Wickepedia right? You claimed you were a Dr. because you thought it would give you more credibility about info you were giving to them. Bob a lie is a lie is a lie.
That shows how pathetic your case really is. The worst dirt you can dig up on me is a username I chose. So are you a liar if your name really isn't Sam? Get real.
That username was not a lie, and I was not impersonating a doctor by using it.
And you call me an accuser of the brethren?
And Bob, didn't you tell the court you are a Pastor? If so, isn't that a lie? We know you are not a licensed SDA Pastor so what is the name of the church you are pastoring? Isn't that misleading...again? Would that also be considered a lie?
Quote please, and then I'll comment.
Well, what do you think? What can you say? You accuse 3ABN of things that you yourself have done.
Show me where I have ever covered up child molestation allegations, claimed phone card phone records existed when they didn't, claimed a Delta Airlines ticket existed when it didn't, said I had proof that my name was on a car title when it wasn't, said I did a thorough investigation without talking to one single alleged child molestation victim, divorced my wife without biblical reasons, made around $750,000 or more in kickbacks and/or royalties without telling donors, made $129,000 in one week on a real estate while lying to the IRS by saying that no such thing happened, etc., etc., etc.
Show me where I have ever done any of these things.
Your spreading of lies on the net is certainly not a secret sin.
Document one single lie I've told, and then let's talk.
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Let me throw something out to you and see if you can follow me. What if Danny never owned any proof that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands walking down the street together? Does that mean that whomever paid for the PI report didn't have the proof? Absolutely not! There as been strong hints all along that Danny never paid for a PI but that someone else did. Do you think that Danny has seen the proof including some video of the two together without Johann present?
First of all, why is Garwin mixed up in the mess like this?
Second, Danny already admitted in writing that the video was staged, that they purposely kept Johann out of the video they took.
Third, Danny was duty bound to produce that video in response to my requests to produce, and he refused.
Fourth, Elder Denslow told me he'd seen the video, so it is supposed to exist. The question is why Danny was so scared to produce.
No way in the world would any President of any company allow a Gailon Joy for instance to come and do a financial investigation by an unqualified convicted felon (embezzler) just because the convicted felon is demanding that he be allowed access to 3ABN's finances.
You're not making a bit of sense. If Danny would hire Emma Lou to be in the accounting department after she lost her job at the bank for allegedly stealing money, surely someone being a convicted embezzler wouldn't stop Danny from hiring them.
Remember, Danny didn't have any problem hiring Tommy and allowing him to work with Kids' Time even though he had allegedly molested lots of boys, including his own son.
Had DS let evil people like Gailon and Bob come to 3ABN and turn over their finances to them ,I for one, would never give another dime to 3ABN. That would be very stupid, foolish and naive of DS and 3ABN. Thank the Lord they stuck to their guns and didn't let you guys try to take over! Lord knows you two have enough of your own problems...trying dealing with them before trying to invent a beam in someone else's eye.
Again, you make no sense whatsoever. If Danny hadn't wanted us to look at 3ABN's finances, he would never have sued us in the first place over such things.
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Was this a joke or a real observation...am I suppose to laugh or feel sympathy for a man who made it clear he did not WANT TO KNOW, but knew all tto well the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Maybe Gilley didn't know.
If the stockholders in the pews discover that this directorate spent over $2Million Dollars to defend a miscreant founder that had his hands in the till, my guess is they will repudiate the entire ministry and it's directorate. And that is the story that needs to be and will be told in 2009!!!
Gilley should move along before he is thoroughly tainted with the stench of what has gone on here!!! Under his watch they spent millions to defend Danny Lee hselton and they have the gall to request more???
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Yet by your own rules of judgment you lie yet have never apologized for it.
You lied to Wickepedia right? You claimed you were a Dr. because you thought it would give you more credibility about info you were giving to them. Bob a lie is a lie is a lie.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Erving (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Erving)
Would you be so crass as to accuse Dr. J of posing as a doctor to gain more credibility, and of lying because he claimed to be a doctor when he wasn't?
What absolute nonsense.
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Thank you for this precious information...you see, there will be a round two and I appreciate you providing lists of documents we should be looking for...that is if you believe I am naive enough to believe there is an affidavitt from a "Licensed PI"...and what kind of PI left his camera home on a domestic case??? I really do need to know the name of this idiot!!! Did you guys pay for this fool of fools? Yes, that's right, that is the one you refused to provide the name and address for in the requests to produce. WHAT'S NEW??? ALL TALK...NO PRODUCTION!!!
Actually, let's start with the primary question: SAM, HAVE YOU SEEN THESE AFFIDAVITTS?
And yes, I can explain the AM visit...can you??? In fact, Arild was not coming out of "Linda's Apartment" but rather Linda's daughter's apartment...humm, does that change the story, hah??? And did your "Licensed PI" forget to tell you that Johann Thorvaldsonn was also there with them as they prepared the written response to the board of directors for the Sunday morning Board Meeting? The one that Arild, Linda and Johann were ordered not to enter the premises to attend to defend Linda against the WILD ALLEGATIONS of Danny Lee Shelton??? Did they tell you Arild had to buy a new computer, program and set it up to print because Linda's had been confiscated?
Do you really believe we don't know the real story..not the spun trash that eminates from Danny Lee Shelton?
Rest assured, SAM, in time we will get all those records and so better stop the contributions now!!! We have had enough to know that Danny Lee Shelton had his filthy hands in the offering plate, whether you like the reality or not!!!
We also know that Brenda is so factually challenged that nothing she says can be relied upon as factual!!!
And, we also know that NOT A DOT OR TITLE OF WHAT YOU WRITE is reliable or factual and is definitely uncorroborated by the evidence.
So, SAM, your time will come and we will be happy to identify the two idiot PI's that would write affidavitt's and forget the cameras. But, then, look how easy you are to dupe???
Just remember, SAM, we were not the people that ran from the fight at a critical point in the discovery, DANNY LEE SHELTON RAN!!! But, he did not get away.
Gailon Arthur Jopy
AUReporter
In answer to Bob's allegations:
Danny told you all along that this case was not about exposing Linda. What would a copy of a sworn affidavit by an Illinois licensed PI be worth to you Bob?
Would you believe it if the signed affidavit said that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands while walking down the street while still married to Danny (by themselves without Johann..they apparently had tucked him in bed in his own room..) then after 10 PM went for a walk together and held hands for a bit?
Would you believe it if the sworn affidavit by the PI said that they were together in an apartment together after midnight. (Actually it was til 3:00 am).
Bob, maybe you should check Illinois law. I was told by a professional that if a married woman is in an apartment/hotel etc. together after midnight that now the burden of proof goes to the woman to prove she did not commit adultery.
Bob, the reason you are in the mess you are in is because rumor mongers like yourself and Gailon jump on every bit of hearsay gossip that 's out there as though it's truth. Normal reasoning goes out the window.
You make the statement that if Danny didn't show any info about Linda in court then he must not have any. You base that info on the fact that he didn't produce the requested info so therefore you make the dumb assumption that Linda is innocent. Bob this is the reasoning of a small child. That's why you and Gailon should not try to defend yourself. Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are. The "court" did not ask DS to produce any evidence against Linda. You did. Big difference.
Do you really think DS gained the support of Board members and church leaders without giving & showing support for why he was divorced. He has not had a problem all along giving necessary info to those that need to know. But you guys are not the kind of people that any thinking person would give any such info to. He told you that all along didn't he?
The reason for the lawsuit as I understand it was simple. DS knew he had the rightful support of his board and leaders in the church when it came to the divorce. But when you all started accusing DS and 3ABN of stealing and wrong financial doings, 3ABN felt that you should have to prove it in court. They knew all along that you couldn't prove any of your accusations of financial wrong doings. DS and the board has always had outside auditors and have also had attorneys to look over any and all financial dealings as they wanted to maintain their well earned credibility when it comes to taking donors money and investing it in the spreading of the gospel.
No matter how hard headed, prideful and arrogant you are, you were wrong to accuse DS and 3ABN of financial wrong doing. All things work together for good according to the bible and that is what happened in my opinion when you all got the IRS involved. Why? Because only the IRS could clear 3ABN of all your charges of wrong doing...AND THAT THEY DID! The year long investigation was dropped without DS or 3ABN paying one penny to the IRS!
Bob, there's no longer a reason to keep going to court over all the other ridicules things you come up with because you appear ate up with the gossip bug. The donors have heard the truth and have spoken. They see the fruits of 3ABN and they see your fruits of judging and being an accuser of the brethren.
A spiritual person can discern that you have become an agent of the devil by accusing the brethren. Every one makes mistakes including DS but you still, according to the bible, are not the judge, God is. He is the only one that has a right to make everyone's sins public. Sinful people including you and Gailon have no mandate to do such a thing. That's why you have no support from real Christians. Take a look at your followers. Most have records similar to you and Gailon. From convicted embezzlers, self admitted child porn addict, alleged stalker, Crooked Dr. etc,. The bible says judge not that you be not judged. Bob, you and Gailon judged and now the judgement has fallen back on you just as the bible says. We can see all the sins of Gailon Joy and the rest of you but at some point we have to leave you in the hands of God! You are guilty of what you accuse others of.
Example. You are so quick to call people liars and say that they need to repent and apologize publically... Danny said this or Brenda said that and Walt said this and Pastor John said this so they should admit they lied and move on. Yet by your own rules of judgment you lie yet have never apologized for it.
You lied to Wickepedia right? You claimed you were a Dr. because you thought it would give you more credibility about info you were giving to them. Bob a lie is a lie is a lie.
Could we please hear you (going by your own rules) confess that you lied to Wickapedia and to the rest of us. You see what I mean Bob? Now should I make an all out war on you because you lied and won't admit it or do I leave your life in God's hands and let you and he work it out even though I'm still convinced that you lied. There are churches that would drop an SDA's membership over lying to an organization like Wickepedia claiming to be a Dr. when you are far from a Dr. And Bob, didn't you tell the court you are a Pastor? If so, isn't that a lie? We know you are not a licensed SDA Pastor so what is the name of the church you are pastoring? Isn't that misleading...again? Would that also be considered a lie?
Well, what do you think? What can you say? You accuse 3ABN of things that you yourself have done. Your spreading of lies on the net is certainly not a secret sin. These are lies that remove any credibility you may have had. Do I now gather support to send copies of your lie to Wickepedia to every church leader and call for your disfellowship, do I call the secular media and try to expose you? The old saying that the pot calling the kettle black certaninly seems to apply to you. Bob, you have lied over and over, what should we do? You cannot back up the lies about 3abn with proof. Your Wickapedia lie is on there for all the world to see. Didn't Gailon lie to the bankruptcy court? Again, that is in the pacer documents.
Let me throw something out to you and see if you can follow me. What if Danny never owned any proof that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands walking down the street together? Does that mean that whomever paid for the PI report didn't have the proof? Absolutely not! There as been strong hints all along that Danny never paid for a PI but that someone else did. Do you think that Danny has seen the proof including some video of the two together without Johann present?
I would say that there is more than a good chance that he has..wouldn't you! Don't you realize just because you didn't see something in court that it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The owner of the info was never told by the court to show it! You really shouldn't try to be lawyers. You should try to do as the bible says though and be bread winners for your families. I know of no one who has a high opinion of Gailon because not only is he a convicted felon but still denies that he did anything wrong. OOPS! By the way shouldn't he be apologizing to the public for what he did and stop lying about it?
Neither of you are bread winners for your families. Honestly how sad that you have put on the robe of judge rather than put on the mantle of head of the house and bread winner as God ordained. Why not let God be the judge and you guys support your families?
From what I am privy to it seems that DS has told you all along the he will not give into the demands of arrogant self proclaimed judges, with evil intent. No way in the world would any President of any company allow a Gailon Joy for instance to come and do a financial investigation by an unqualified convicted felon (embezzler) just because the convicted felon is demanding that he be allowed access to 3ABN's finances.
Had DS let evil people like Gailon and Bob come to 3ABN and turn over their finances to them ,I for one, would never give another dime to 3ABN. That would be very stupid, foolish and naive of DS and 3ABN. Thank the Lord they stuck to their guns and didn't let you guys try to take over! Lord knows you two have enough of your own problems...trying dealing with them before trying to invent a beam in someone else's eye.
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Below I see samples of what two different people write as they describe incidents which they did not take part in themselves, and where they rely on reports from others. I was there and I know what happened, and I have to say there are faults in both what Gailon Arthur Joy states, and also in what the so-called Sam states. Neither one of them were there and therefore neither story gives a complete picture of exactly what happened, although Gailon's mistake is so minor that it does not change the general picture. Sam's description, on the other hand changes the picture completely and is unreliable.
This is the general problem I have encountered in this whole discussion, also in four other forums. Ever since Aletheia/ian/Synthian entered the discussions she has again and again made changes and re-statements of whatever information I have given, in a way that I could not recognize some of the major points in her presentation. Even though I have protested again and again, she has stubbornly maintained that her version of my statements are the only true ones, and since she has discovered that her version was not the real truth, I have again and again been stamped a liar. This, to me is the gist of your contribution to this whole discussion, and this is the falsehood your forum thrives on. Your thwarted versions of what I and others have stated becomes the basis of the religion you proclaim, and you feed your faithful followers on this falsehood. You even use Scripture quotations etc., in an attempt to justify such utter falsehood.
A worldly person might excuse your method by pointing out how the institution you are defending is doing it and how they use millions of dollars in an attempt to falsify the facts. And yet neither you, nor Danny Shelton, nor 3ABN has yet produced a single document nor other evidence to verify that what I have stated all this time is wrong.
Thank you for this precious information...you see, there will be a round two and I appreciate you providing lists of documents we should be looking for...that is if you believe I am naive enough to believe there is an affidavitt from a "Licensed PI"...and what kind of PI left his camera home on a domestic case??? I really do need to know the name of this idiot!!! Did you guys pay for this fool of fools? Yes, that's right, that is the one you refused to provide the name and address for in the requests to produce. WHAT'S NEW??? ALL TALK...NO PRODUCTION!!!
Actually, let's start with the primary question: SAM, HAVE YOU SEEN THESE AFFIDAVITTS?
And yes, I can explain the AM visit...can you??? In fact, Arild was not coming out of "Linda's Apartment" but rather Linda's daughter's apartment...humm, does that change the story, hah??? And did your "Licensed PI" forget to tell you that Johann Thorvaldsonn was also there with them as they prepared the written response to the board of directors for the Sunday morning Board Meeting? The one that Arild, Linda and Johann were ordered not to enter the premises to attend to defend Linda against the WILD ALLEGATIONS of Danny Lee Shelton??? Did they tell you Arild had to buy a new computer, program and set it up to print because Linda's had been confiscated?
Do you really believe we don't know the real story..not the spun trash that eminates from Danny Lee Shelton?
Rest assured, SAM, in time we will get all those records and so better stop the contributions now!!! We have had enough to know that Danny Lee Shelton had his filthy hands in the offering plate, whether you like the reality or not!!!
We also know that Brenda is so factually challenged that nothing she says can be relied upon as factual!!!
And, we also know that NOT A DOT OR TITLE OF WHAT YOU WRITE is reliable or factual and is definitely uncorroborated by the evidence.
So, SAM, your time will come and we will be happy to identify the two idiot PI's that would write affidavitt's and forget the cameras. But, then, look how easy you are to dupe???
Just remember, SAM, we were not the people that ran from the fight at a critical point in the discovery, DANNY LEE SHELTON RAN!!! But, he did not get away.
Gailon Arthur Jopy
AUReporter
In answer to Bob's allegations:
Danny told you all along that this case was not about exposing Linda. What would a copy of a sworn affidavit by an Illinois licensed PI be worth to you Bob?
Would you believe it if the signed affidavit said that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands while walking down the street while still married to Danny (by themselves without Johann..they apparently had tucked him in bed in his own room..) then after 10 PM went for a walk together and held hands for a bit?
Would you believe it if the sworn affidavit by the PI said that they were together in an apartment together after midnight. (Actually it was til 3:00 am).
Bob, maybe you should check Illinois law. I was told by a professional that if a married woman is in an apartment/hotel etc. together after midnight that now the burden of proof goes to the woman to prove she did not commit adultery.
Bob, the reason you are in the mess you are in is because rumor mongers like yourself and Gailon jump on every bit of hearsay gossip that 's out there as though it's truth. Normal reasoning goes out the window.
You make the statement that if Danny didn't show any info about Linda in court then he must not have any. You base that info on the fact that he didn't produce the requested info so therefore you make the dumb assumption that Linda is innocent. Bob this is the reasoning of a small child. That's why you and Gailon should not try to defend yourself. Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are. The "court" did not ask DS to produce any evidence against Linda. You did. Big difference.
Do you really think DS gained the support of Board members and church leaders without giving & showing support for why he was divorced. He has not had a problem all along giving necessary info to those that need to know. But you guys are not the kind of people that any thinking person would give any such info to. He told you that all along didn't he?
The reason for the lawsuit as I understand it was simple. DS knew he had the rightful support of his board and leaders in the church when it came to the divorce. But when you all started accusing DS and 3ABN of stealing and wrong financial doings, 3ABN felt that you should have to prove it in court. They knew all along that you couldn't prove any of your accusations of financial wrong doings. DS and the board has always had outside auditors and have also had attorneys to look over any and all financial dealings as they wanted to maintain their well earned credibility when it comes to taking donors money and investing it in the spreading of the gospel.
No matter how hard headed, prideful and arrogant you are, you were wrong to accuse DS and 3ABN of financial wrong doing. All things work together for good according to the bible and that is what happened in my opinion when you all got the IRS involved. Why? Because only the IRS could clear 3ABN of all your charges of wrong doing...AND THAT THEY DID! The year long investigation was dropped without DS or 3ABN paying one penny to the IRS!
Bob, there's no longer a reason to keep going to court over all the other ridicules things you come up with because you appear ate up with the gossip bug. The donors have heard the truth and have spoken. They see the fruits of 3ABN and they see your fruits of judging and being an accuser of the brethren.
A spiritual person can discern that you have become an agent of the devil by accusing the brethren. Every one makes mistakes including DS but you still, according to the bible, are not the judge, God is. He is the only one that has a right to make everyone's sins public. Sinful people including you and Gailon have no mandate to do such a thing. That's why you have no support from real Christians. Take a look at your followers. Most have records similar to you and Gailon. From convicted embezzlers, self admitted child porn addict, alleged stalker, Crooked Dr. etc,. The bible says judge not that you be not judged. Bob, you and Gailon judged and now the judgement has fallen back on you just as the bible says. We can see all the sins of Gailon Joy and the rest of you but at some point we have to leave you in the hands of God! You are guilty of what you accuse others of.
Example. You are so quick to call people liars and say that they need to repent and apologize publically... Danny said this or Brenda said that and Walt said this and Pastor John said this so they should admit they lied and move on. Yet by your own rules of judgment you lie yet have never apologized for it.
You lied to Wickepedia right? You claimed you were a Dr. because you thought it would give you more credibility about info you were giving to them. Bob a lie is a lie is a lie.
Could we please hear you (going by your own rules) confess that you lied to Wickapedia and to the rest of us. You see what I mean Bob? Now should I make an all out war on you because you lied and won't admit it or do I leave your life in God's hands and let you and he work it out even though I'm still convinced that you lied. There are churches that would drop an SDA's membership over lying to an organization like Wickepedia claiming to be a Dr. when you are far from a Dr. And Bob, didn't you tell the court you are a Pastor? If so, isn't that a lie? We know you are not a licensed SDA Pastor so what is the name of the church you are pastoring? Isn't that misleading...again? Would that also be considered a lie?
Well, what do you think? What can you say? You accuse 3ABN of things that you yourself have done. Your spreading of lies on the net is certainly not a secret sin. These are lies that remove any credibility you may have had. Do I now gather support to send copies of your lie to Wickepedia to every church leader and call for your disfellowship, do I call the secular media and try to expose you? The old saying that the pot calling the kettle black certaninly seems to apply to you. Bob, you have lied over and over, what should we do? You cannot back up the lies about 3abn with proof. Your Wickapedia lie is on there for all the world to see. Didn't Gailon lie to the bankruptcy court? Again, that is in the pacer documents.
Let me throw something out to you and see if you can follow me. What if Danny never owned any proof that Linda and the Dr. were holding hands walking down the street together? Does that mean that whomever paid for the PI report didn't have the proof? Absolutely not! There as been strong hints all along that Danny never paid for a PI but that someone else did. Do you think that Danny has seen the proof including some video of the two together without Johann present?
I would say that there is more than a good chance that he has..wouldn't you! Don't you realize just because you didn't see something in court that it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The owner of the info was never told by the court to show it! You really shouldn't try to be lawyers. You should try to do as the bible says though and be bread winners for your families. I know of no one who has a high opinion of Gailon because not only is he a convicted felon but still denies that he did anything wrong. OOPS! By the way shouldn't he be apologizing to the public for what he did and stop lying about it?
Neither of you are bread winners for your families. Honestly how sad that you have put on the robe of judge rather than put on the mantle of head of the house and bread winner as God ordained. Why not let God be the judge and you guys support your families?
From what I am privy to it seems that DS has told you all along the he will not give into the demands of arrogant self proclaimed judges, with evil intent. No way in the world would any President of any company allow a Gailon Joy for instance to come and do a financial investigation by an unqualified convicted felon (embezzler) just because the convicted felon is demanding that he be allowed access to 3ABN's finances.
Had DS let evil people like Gailon and Bob come to 3ABN and turn over their finances to them ,I for one, would never give another dime to 3ABN. That would be very stupid, foolish and naive of DS and 3ABN. Thank the Lord they stuck to their guns and didn't let you guys try to take over! Lord knows you two have enough of your own problems...trying dealing with them before trying to invent a beam in someone else's eye.
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Neither of you are bread winners for your families. Honestly how sad that you have put on the robe of judge rather than put on the mantle of head of the house and bread winner as God ordained. Why not let God be the judge and you guys support your families?
How would you know? Really, how would you know? Did the tyrant of Thompsonville hire PI's to come up with that? Or are you manufacturing and spreading rumors? Tell us, please.
Further, how dare anyone file an anti-Adventist, anti-First Amendment lawsuit against someone who doesn't have the millions that 3ABN has at its disposal, forcing them to represent themselves, and then taunt them about not supporting their family because they have to spend so much of their time researching the law and writing legal briefs.
How dare you.
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Real attorneys would not put all their marbles in the same basket and continually be wrong like you two are.
Real attorneys? A long time ago my opinion was that Garwin wasn't getting his money's worth. I thought someone maybe ought to tell him.
I wonder just how many on the other side wish I had hired a "real attorney" rather than represent myself.
"Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God" (Ps. 20:7).
That was put to music. Know the tune? Let's contextualize the words:
"Some trust in lawyers, like Danny Shelton: but we will remember the name of the LORD our God."
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Neither of you are bread winners for your families. Honestly how sad that you have put on the robe of judge rather than put on the mantle of head of the house and bread winner as God ordained. Why not let God be the judge and you guys support your families?
How would you know? Really, how would you know? Did the tyrant of Thompsonville hire PI's to come up with that? Or are you manufacturing and spreading rumors? Tell us, please.
Further, how dare anyone file an anti-Adventist, anti-First Amendment lawsuit against someone who doesn't have the millions that 3ABN has at its disposal, forcing them to represent themselves, and then taunt them about not supporting their family because they have to spend so much of their time researching the law and writing legal briefs.
How dare you.
:ROFL: :ROFL: How Dare I? Bob you have been digging your own grave for 2 years and with your attempted justification above, you just covered up the hole. Even the few people left that read this forum can see how sick and twisted your thinking is. You are totally without reason, common sense or conscience. I truly feel sorry for your family.
I really think you need to chill down, pop some popcorn gather the kids and watch the Shelton Holiday Special tomorrow morning. Watch what scary, demented people they are. :ROFL:
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I do think it a bit demented for Carol to cover for Tommy. It's sick. Utterly sick.
Carol, Danny, and Ronnie all in cahoots trying to cover up child molestation allegations. It is sick.
And if you don't think so, then you are a bit sick yourself.
But the tyrant of Thompsonville just couldn't stand someone exposing his cover up of the child molestation allegations against Tommy, and so he sued us. He tried to shut us up by filing a lawsuit. He tried to smash our First Amendment rights to free speech and free press. He tried to destroy our First Amendment right of freedom of religion to say that Danny Lee Shelton is not morally fit to head up a supporting ministry of the Seventh-day Adventist Church.
And you think that's funny?
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:ROFL: :ROFL: How Dare I? Bob you have been digging your own grave for 2 years and with your attempted justification above, you just covered up the hole. Even the few people left that read this forum can see how sick and twisted your thinking is. You are totally without reason, common sense or conscience. I truly feel sorry for your family.
I really think you need to chill down, pop some popcorn gather the kids and watch the Shelton Holiday Special tomorrow morning. Watch what scary, demented people they are. :ROFL:
Speak for yourself, Sam. You wanna give your opinion, fine. Don't assume you know what the "few people left that read this forum" are thinking.
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and so Sam,
Just to surmise that everything you said was true, and with you so close to the long neck black swan swiminning in the bottomless lake, how is it that your eyeballs do not see what my eyeballs see? Do you deny extravaganza in lifestyle? You got jets, you got horses, you got sports cars, you got rolex's you got property, off shore funds, you got more spouses, you got books, turtle necks, transplants, special geet tars, ebay specialities. And Oh, yes I suspect you will say next that his geet tars is how he made all that moolaa. Does this make any sense to you! Silly? Crazy? and out of sorts? Off the wall? That is just about the same as what I get off your post. In fact the :horse: are waiting to be fed. That must be your job!
Nobody went looking for this Saga, no body wanted a saga like this, if fact some tried to save it, but others covered it--any of this, until 3abn was disrupted and seen with the eyeball as TV rolled by. IF no smoke, how could there be fire! You must be in your own world to think normal people would not eyeball this sooner or later. NOBody would even be in this if their funds weren't all shot in vapor off the jet stream and fertilizer all over the ground!
How is that for reality??
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Hey, SAM, Let's just say, I have been busy cleaning up a mess...while you have been busy covering one up. I'll take cleaning up over covering up any day!!!
But, you must really hate the 12 Disciples, particularly the married ones!!! And what of Paul? Guess you would really tar and feather him!!! And since you bring it up, when was the last time you made a living and not work off other peoples money? After all, isn't that what 3ABN is all about? In fact, isn't that what any 501-(c)-3 is about? Get other people to contribute their hard earned dollars so you can spend them doing what you want to do?
Of course, Danny Lee Shelton took that to a new level and decided, yes, decided to spend the dollars the way he wanted to spend them, not the way the board wanted them spent...and isn't that the elementary issue here???
But you would have us the issue while the man with his hands in the Till gets a pass from your pathetic religion!!! And don't you dare call yourself a Seventh-day Adventist...you would belittle the denomination by doing so.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Neither of you are bread winners for your families. Honestly how sad that you have put on the robe of judge rather than put on the mantle of head of the house and bread winner as God ordained. Why not let God be the judge and you guys support your families?
How would you know? Really, how would you know? Did the tyrant of Thompsonville hire PI's to come up with that? Or are you manufacturing and spreading rumors? Tell us, please.
Further, how dare anyone file an anti-Adventist, anti-First Amendment lawsuit against someone who doesn't have the millions that 3ABN has at its disposal, forcing them to represent themselves, and then taunt them about not supporting their family because they have to spend so much of their time researching the law and writing legal briefs.
How dare you.
:ROFL: :ROFL: How Dare I? Bob you have been digging your own grave for 2 years and with your attempted justification above, you just covered up the hole. Even the few people left that read this forum can see how sick and twisted your thinking is. You are totally without reason, common sense or conscience. I truly feel sorry for your family.
I really think you need to chill down, pop some popcorn gather the kids and watch the Shelton Holiday Special tomorrow morning. Watch what scary, demented people they are. :ROFL:
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Sam said .."How Dare I? Bob you have been digging your own grave for 2 years and with your attempted justification above, you just covered up the hole. Even the few people left that read this forum can see how sick and twisted your thinking is. You are totally without reason, common sense or conscience. I truly feel sorry for your family."
I'm sorry Sam but I've been reading these posts about 3ABN a long time and those that were on BSDA too. I really don't see Bob Pickle's thinking as twisted and sick. It seems to me that he writes with a great deal of logic and reason and some of you don't. I don't know any of the people involved personally except Derrell but I can draw conclusions just from reading what each side posts here.
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Well Sam, you have had your usual rant, no one has said much, it's been you and Bob mostly, and as you can see, your words make you look worse then anything you are trying to attempt to do to others. Who are you talking to anyway?? Yourself? People that come read here for information?, You apparently think that your words are magic and once they read them they will know the TRUTH!? Are you kidding yourself?? Yes. You are. You, like your kind do, underestimate people's intelligence. In fact, you count on their trust in words....that old trick is about dead, not completely, as money is gushing in, right Sam? "Image"means nothing, letters from the BOD Chair don't mean anything anymore, for his words are anything but full of integrity.
The old mentality(sadly I'm afraid still works on some who don't think for themselves) is that if they hear miracle stories, it must be God. If they see a man on TV sitting there praising God, it must be because God is blessing him. Most people these days don't buy that dog and pony show anymore, they know there is much more to how sin works, how God works, and how people lie and deceive others for money. It's all around us isn't it Sam?
How long will you pretend Sam? How long will you play this denial game? Do you think that at some point people will suddenly believe you over their own eyes and ears? Over their own questions and answers? Over the testimony of those who tell the truth and represent the picture of what has really happened because of such christians are you represent? Are you testing God Sam? Because you do know that He does not honor lies to justify a means? You do know that, right? Because if you don't, maybe it's time for you to sit down and get to know God, for He is about truth, not deception. He is about honesty and integrity, not misleading and playing word games. He is about love and mercy of all, not hate and discarding those in your way. But more then anything, He is an example of what is right, and what shows by His rightness it what is clearly wrong - what is sin. Guess what Sam, you are clearly wrong about so many things.
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Sam;
I understand your dilemma. If you research and find just some of these things are true, you would have to do something about it, right? But, if you do that you can kiss your ministry good-bye! The unholy man you worship will blackball you and ruin all you have worked so hard for! Get out before this happens to you and your husband!
Is it already too late for you? Danny requires all or nothing! You need Mable Dunbar to help you recognize the type of holy men that that you are attracted to! She can help you recognize why you are attracted to them and help you know when to run for your life! You are like the abused wife that keeps returning to her abusive husband, He treats her great until she thinks for herself, then the serious abuse begins!
Wisdom is gained through knowledge. It is up to you to gain that knowledge. Please reconsider and read http://www.save-3abn.com, BSDA and here. Then read 3ABNTalk.com! Look only at the documents or the statements from true witnesses presented there. Then compare those to Danny's words. It won't take too long for you to see you have again been doped by a so called church leader! You have a track record now of having an attraction to abusers in authoritative positions!
Accept this as your weakness. It is the weakness of almost every other abused person on the earth. I know! I am one too!
Also your husband stands right beside you! He was deceived also by the same persons! Maybe he just follows your lead? He has been abused too and he didn't do anything wrong. All he did was support you in your first sin! He has followed your right into the same situation again. I would bet my last dollar that he believes everything you say! He loves you and values you as an abused person with compassion.
He needs to get real and save you from this situation you have innocently walked into! I am praying for you and your husband.
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Attached is the latest filing. Quite interesting.
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Neither of you are bread winners for your families. Honestly how sad that you have put on the robe of judge rather than put on the mantle of head of the house and bread winner as God ordained. Why not let God be the judge and you guys support your families?
:ROFL: :ROFL: How Dare I? Bob you have been digging your own grave for 2 years and with your attempted justification above, you just covered up the hole. Even the few people left that read this forum can see how sick and twisted your thinking is. You are totally without reason, common sense or conscience. I truly feel sorry for your family.
Sam,
In previous posts I have mentioned that your “linguistic competence” was that of a second grader who goes to school when she remembers. Since then you have “progressed” from illiteracy into logical fallacies (ad hominem and generalization). Your mental degenerations is alarming. I suggest that you seek immediate medical help. In the hope that despite your poor mental condition you still understand some English, I would like to make two points in reference to your recent messages:
In the first place, it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS how Bob or Gailon make a living or pay their bills. In what passage of the Bible has God ordained that the man should be "the bread winner”? Can you mention any text? Have you ordained it, maybe? Nobody asks you how you make your living (though it might not be in the most appropriate way). How Bob and Gailon make a living is totally irrelevant to the matters. You are causing a diversion because you are exhausting even the boring tirades you have been recycling.
In the second place, you are delusional when you claim that “even the few people left that read this forum can see how sick and twisted your [Bob’s] thinking is.” How would you know? Have you interviewed the members of this forum PERSONALLY, in order to find out what they think about Bob and Gailon? Of course, not! You are blowing soap bubbles!
The truth is that you are totally wrong in this matter. The “few people left” on this forum fully understand that YOU ARE THE ONE WITH A SICK AND TWISTED MIND. If you were smart you would go away and hide your intellectual nakedness, but because you are a fool you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again. Solomon was right when he said that fools never learn, and never stop in their foolishness until they are covered by the ground of the hole they have dug for themselves.
Eduard
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Bob, on numerous occasions you challenge us to show where you have twisted words and lied to please yourself. Let's take for example the statement below when talking about the Illinois court case.
You said let's talk. OK let's talk about it Bob.
Quote from Bob Pickle: "Plus he said that 3ABN wasn't making a profit on those video sales when Danny was making a whopping profit on his book sales"
Your lie Bob. The innocent reader of your post would have been deceived. You leave no margin of error that you could have been wrong. You make several statements that are lies.
Please tell us Bob where you find any whopping profits discussed, shown or proven in the Illinois tax case. You should remember that the Illinois case was all about the years 2000 and some of 2001 at most. It might be good for you to note when Danny's books were written. So Bob, what books were written by Danny at that time that you have evidence that he made a "whopping" profit. And where are the figures to back your "whopping profit on book sales". The only relative statement to "whopping" is the lie you tell. You and Gailon both have become your own worst enemy. It is your lies, innuendos and accusations that have caused everyone to distance themselves from you. Do you think anyone in the church would ever hire you? Why not? Is it because of DS and 3ABN? No. It is because of the obvious mental instability and dishonesty that you have shown. As soon as people disagree with you, as well as Gailon,turn on them and twist their words. Your last two years or so on the web will be your diary for eternity Bob. Sad...your Angels don't even have to write down your sins of judging others and spreading rumors because of pride... It is all written down by none other than yourself!
Your whole case against Danny and 3ABN has been made by lies and innuendos.
Bob, it is deceiving to the uninformed reader of your post when you say, And I quote you Bob, "Don't you know that lying is a sin? What you just wrote is a bald face lie, and I am certain that you know it." First of all I do know that lying is a sin, but it seems you either don't know how often you lie or don't care!
For instance...I believe I read somewhere in the court docs that you were a pastor? You have made references to being a pastor in other places also. Bob is that true? Are you a full fledged SDA minister? Have you pastored any conference churches because so far I haven't found any records of such. A yes or no will work well here. Any hedging will tell us what we need to know. It's an easy, simple question.
Bob you continue to deceive people into believing that 3ABN is hiding something about the IRS case and that 3ABN had to pay money to the IRS to satisfy whatever wrongs they found. Is that not what you are insinuating Bob? You and Fran and Snoop and Gailon all try to convince people that the IRS did not shut down the case without fining 3ABN. That is a lie. Your lie Bob, not mine. The case was closed. 3ABN never negotiated any fines, no not one, nor were they asked or demanded to pay any fines by the IRS. The IRS is satisfied that after looking over 100,000 pages of documents for nearly a year that 3ABN was not guilty of any wrong doing. It doesn't make any difference what you say. Even the house deal you bring up. There is not and never was anything wrong or illegal with what transpired. DS had the counsel of attorneys and accountants. You cry foul when the experts say everything is above board. Same old pattern Bob. You don't have all your matching numbers but want to be the first to cry BINGO! Just because DS and 3ABN have never answered to you does'nt give you the right to invent your own scenerio's, twist the facts and falsely accuse them.
Bob let me give you something that maybe you can comprehend. There are millions of people who say that SDA's are wrong about keeping the seventh day Sabbath. Bob the list of accusers against SDA's include theologians from nearly all religious backgrounds. They try to show bible scripture to prove that the 10 commandments and the seventh day sabbath was nailed to the cross and therefore one may keep any day of the week he wants with God's blessings. Most people like your buddy Duane Clem laugh at SDA's for their beliefs. (Yes, I do have numerous witnesses that have told me of Duane's insensitive comments about the ignorance of SDA's keeping the Sabbath while he worked there)
Anyway my point Bob, is this. No matter how many people tell you that the law was nailed to the cross and use Col 2:14 to prove it...you know they are wrong...Why?...because they are not looking at all the pieces of the puzzle, they don't have all the numbers lined up, yet they cry Bingo, Bob. I know you believe that on judgment day you will be exonerated of these false accusations against your religious beliefs by none other than God himself. Don't you think some of these people who have said the Sabbath was nailed to the cross will be shocked, should they make it heaven, to find that creation will even be keeping the Sabbath in heaven? Finally everyone will know you were not an ignorant reader of the bible. Hey Bob, God will be on your side.
Bob, I liken you to the accusers against SDA's for still keeping the sabbath. They seem to have the proof that the sabbath was nailed to the cross after reading Col 2:14-16. I liken 3ABN to the ones being accused of wrongly keeping the Sabbath. 3ABN and DS have not only read the text in Col. but have taken all the text of the bible to find out that the others against the keeping of the Sabbath are only surface readers. In the case of the Sabbath Bob you have the truth, the accusers like Duane C. do not no matter how zealous they are they are wrong!
Bob no matter how zealous you and your gang is...you are still wrong. The IRS is likened in this parable to the judge as Jesus will be end the end. The judge has spoken and 3ABN has been exonerated of wrong doing, case closed!
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Sam,
Personally I don't have any reason to write my opinion or observations which is all I can contribute. I don't have an inside track to good documents to prove a case. I have been reading for two plus years. Just because someone doesn't post doesn't mean they aren't reading. I imagine there are a lot of other folk out there who are reading but not adding their two cents worth.
Not once have you given any documents to back up your claims that Joy and Pickle are wrong.
All 3ABN defenders have done the same thing. I see a lot of documents to back up what Joy and Pickle are claiming. Also others are coming out to tell their stories or witnesses of abuse Danny Shelton has heaped on them. I met a lady who with her husband backing her up about Danny calling on her on the telephone and yelling on and on how terrible Linda Shelton is, on the other hand the lady never heard a bad word from Linda against Danny Shelton/3ABN. All Linda ever did was talk wonderful words about 3ABN ministry that had been her baby when she started it with her husband in the early days.
To me your words mean nothing. No documents to back yourself up. Bob has repeatedly asked you for documents. You nor anyone else backing 3ABN have produced documents against Linda or prove 3ABN BOD, Danny Shelton, J. Lomacane (don't know spelling of his name), Brenda Walsh and others to be telling the truth.
I had been watching in BSDA and Advent Talk and so far your side has never produced proof of any kind that 3ABN is truthful. Still waiting.....
but NOT holding my breath. :hot:
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Sam,
Who in the world are you that Danny Shelton is going to give you a whole inside detailed scope of his factual deeds of how he stashes and uses SDA money??? You must be his spouse or follower but then again I do not think he would even tell all his shenanigans and inner workings except for those that help him and eat the hay :horse:.
You even sound like a worshiper of DS You do not even realize how you come across. You are on top of things you think- and your trying hard for everyone to believe you when it is obvious that you have multiple disorders. Your parallels are clear off the wall. Danny Shelton is smarter then that, he would never tell anyone that talks as much nonsense and over and over like you do. He would be a fool to trust one of your personalities.
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There seem to be different concepts as to what is the truth. Both my former wife and I were staying with Dr. Arild Abrahamsen at his house and clinic during the time Danny accused Linda of being together with him in Florida, so we know that Danny was not telling the truth. During the discussions I had with Danny Shelton and Dr. Walt Thompson, I discovered those men had a different concept of what is truth. Both of them explained to me in different ways that truth is not necessarily a description of what really happened, but "truth", in a case like this, is whatever story can be told in a way that does not hurt the Ministry of 3ABN.
I will accept that love and faith hides many sins, but I do not accept it being a Christian way of handling sins when another person is accused of, and punished for sins that someone else has committed. In this case it was suggested to Linda that she admit a sin she had not committed, because that would save the reputation of this ministry.
When I know that people use these methods of making up stories to cover up sins, because they think it will save their own reputation, and thereby the ministry they represent, I have no confidence in any unsubstantiated claims they make - just like you are stating, guide4him.
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DS had the counsel of attorneys and accountants.
:ROFL: So did Enron!! What's your point?
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Quote from Bob Pickle: "Plus he said that 3ABN wasn't making a profit on those video sales when Danny was making a whopping profit on his book sales"
Your lie Bob.
You sound like Danny. He accuses people of lying when they make simple or honest mistakes. That's wrong.
The innocent reader of your post would have been deceived. You leave no margin of error that you could have been wrong. You make several statements that are lies.
Please tell us Bob where you find any whopping profits discussed, shown or proven in the Illinois tax case.
I never said they were proven in the property tax case. Where did I ever say that?
You should remember that the Illinois case was all about the years 2000 and some of 2001 at most. It might be good for you to note when Danny's books were written. So Bob, what books were written by Danny at that time that you have evidence that he made a "whopping" profit. And where are the figures to back your "whopping profit on book sales".
The 2001 summary sheet shows a literature expense of $105,779.46. Danny reported sales on his 2001 Sched. C for D & L Publishing of $75,800. 3ABN reported on their 2001 financial statement that they bought $75,000 inventory from an entity owned by two board members.
Thus, most of 3ABN's expense for "video sales" inventory must have gone to Danny.
And how much did Danny make on those sales? $20,800 is what he reported. And there were royalties that year as well.
$20,800 is a substantial profit when you consider that Danny reported no inventory and no advertising. But he did report using 666 sq. ft. out of 3,456 of his home for business.
How likely is it, do you think, that Alan Lovejoy didn't know that Danny had reported $20,800 of profit off of sales of $75,800? Problem is that Lovejoy did Danny's 2001 tax return as well as 3ABN's 2001 audit. So he should have known that the $75,800 of sales on Danny's tax return was the $75,000 of purchases 3ABN reported from an entity owned by two board members.
Perhaps I should have used a different word than whopping, since I forgot that the tax case was just about 2000 and 2001. But I think it dishonest for 3ABN to argue that there weren't royalties to speak of other than $20 for Linda's music when Danny reported $2716 in royalties for 2001 alone.
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Pardon me for my illumination...SAM DOESN'T KNOW ANY OF THIS or SAM would have shut up and resigned a long time ago. SAM is swayed by the safety of the institution that protects them...despite the dirty hands of the founder and his family. That is all ignorable, because it suites SAM to protect them in return...has to pay the dues somehow!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Well Sam, you have had your usual rant, no one has said much, it's been you and Bob mostly, and as you can see, your words make you look worse then anything you are trying to attempt to do to others. Who are you talking to anyway?? Yourself? People that come read here for information?, You apparently think that your words are magic and once they read them they will know the TRUTH!? Are you kidding yourself?? Yes. You are. You, like your kind do, underestimate people's intelligence. In fact, you count on their trust in words....that old trick is about dead, not completely, as money is gushing in, right Sam? "Image"means nothing, letters from the BOD Chair don't mean anything anymore, for his words are anything but full of integrity.
The old mentality(sadly I'm afraid still works on some who don't think for themselves) is that if they hear miracle stories, it must be God. If they see a man on TV sitting there praising God, it must be because God is blessing him. Most people these days don't buy that dog and pony show anymore, they know there is much more to how sin works, how God works, and how people lie and deceive others for money. It's all around us isn't it Sam?
How long will you pretend Sam? How long will you play this denial game? Do you think that at some point people will suddenly believe you over their own eyes and ears? Over their own questions and answers? Over the testimony of those who tell the truth and represent the picture of what has really happened because of such christians are you represent? Are you testing God Sam? Because you do know that He does not honor lies to justify a means? You do know that, right? Because if you don't, maybe it's time for you to sit down and get to know God, for He is about truth, not deception. He is about honesty and integrity, not misleading and playing word games. He is about love and mercy of all, not hate and discarding those in your way. But more then anything, He is an example of what is right, and what shows by His rightness it what is clearly wrong - what is sin. Guess what Sam, you are clearly wrong about so many things.
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Your whole case against Danny and 3ABN has been made by lies and innuendos.
Could you name some, please?
For instance...I believe I read somewhere in the court docs that you were a pastor?
Where?
Have you pastored any conference churches because so far I haven't found any records of such.
Seems to me that that information has been available to the public for more than a year. If you haven't read what I wrote on that, I'll let you find it.
Bob you continue to deceive people into believing that 3ABN is hiding something about the IRS case and that 3ABN had to pay money to the IRS to satisfy whatever wrongs they found.
Where did I say that 3ABN had to pay money? What I've said is that it is a bald face lie that there aren't either infractions or discrepancies, and everyone with a half a brain who had read the documentation knows that.
Reporting horses as cash on a Sched. A is an infraction or discrepancy. Plain and simple. Denying that there was a section 4958 excess benefit transaction when there was one is an infraction or discrepancy. Plain and simple. And you can't prove otherwise.
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You and Fran and Snoop and Gailon all try to convince people that the IRS did not shut down the case without fining 3ABN. That is a lie. Your lie Bob, not mine. The case was closed.
Prove it.
3ABN never negotiated any fines, no not one, nor were they asked or demanded to pay any fines by the IRS.
Prove it.
The IRS is satisfied that after looking over 100,000 pages of documents for nearly a year that 3ABN was not guilty of any wrong doing.
Prove it.
Problem is, 3ABN had a chance to prove it. We were going to subpoena records from the US Attorney. But they didn't want us to. Why not? They dismissed the case before we could get those records. Why?
It really looks like they were trying to hide the truth form the American people.
It doesn't make any difference what you say. Even the house deal you bring up.
Simpson admitted I was right on that one, that since Duffy said they didn't produce documents, that the IRS wouldn't have vindicated Danny of that house deal.
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There is not and never was anything wrong or illegal with what transpired.
Sure there was. Danny said there wasn't a section 4958 excess benefit transaction, and there certainly was one.
DS had the counsel of attorneys and accountants.
Attorneys who never lie?
You cry foul when the experts say everything is above board.
Prove that the accountants said there was nothing wrong. Prove it.
Bob let me give you something that maybe you can comprehend. There are millions of people who say that SDA's are wrong about keeping the seventh day Sabbath. Bob the list of accusers against SDA's include theologians from nearly all religious backgrounds. They try to show bible scripture to prove that the 10 commandments and the seventh day sabbath was nailed to the cross and therefore one may keep any day of the week he wants with God's blessings.
Come to think of it, those "accusers" and you Danny clones have something in common. When it comes down to it you refuse to substantiate your assertions. Got to just take your word for it.
Most people like your buddy Duane Clem laugh at SDA's for their beliefs.
He has always spoken respectively of Adventist beliefs to me.
Anyway my point Bob, is this. No matter how many people tell you that the law was nailed to the cross and use Col 2:14 to prove it...you know they are wrong...Why?...because they are not looking at all the pieces of the puzzle, they don't have all the numbers lined up, yet they cry Bingo, Bob.
Nobody really believes that you can nail tables of stone to a cross. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply hasn't tried.
I liken 3ABN to the ones being accused of wrongly keeping the Sabbath.
Beware lest you sympathize with the erring and hinder them from confessing and repenting of their sins.
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Uh, SAM!!! Hate to wake you from the dead, but there were book deals long before TCTR!!! Look back at the portfolio and you will notice Danny has been publishing books and tracts for a while...we tracked back to 1998. Even had the pricing on them and the profits made from selling the overpriced gems to 3ABN. Wanna compare notes???
Tell you what, SAM, you tell me how little he made and that will give me the platform to disgrace you and your Danny Lee Shelton yet again...or as you poetically put it, we can nail you to the cross with those sins you talk about...you are just so dog gone fun to spar with... did anyone tell you IGNORANCE IS A SIN??? Especially when the evidence is part of the PUBLIC RECORD.
Happy New Year, SAM...you are right about one thing, we have become Danny lee Shelton's worst nightmare...but then the truth always is to a liar.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
Bob, on numerous occasions you challenge us to show where you have twisted words and lied to please yourself. Let's take for example the statement below when talking about the Illinois court case.
You said let's talk. OK let's talk about it Bob.
Quote from Bob Pickle: "Plus he said that 3ABN wasn't making a profit on those video sales when Danny was making a whopping profit on his book sales"
Your lie Bob. The innocent reader of your post would have been deceived. You leave no margin of error that you could have been wrong. You make several statements that are lies.
Please tell us Bob where you find any whopping profits discussed, shown or proven in the Illinois tax case. You should remember that the Illinois case was all about the years 2000 and some of 2001 at most. It might be good for you to note when Danny's books were written. So Bob, what books were written by Danny at that time that you have evidence that he made a "whopping" profit. And where are the figures to back your "whopping profit on book sales". The only relative statement to "whopping" is the lie you tell. You and Gailon both have become your own worst enemy. It is your lies, innuendos and accusations that have caused everyone to distance themselves from you. Do you think anyone in the church would ever hire you? Why not? Is it because of DS and 3ABN? No. It is because of the obvious mental instability and dishonesty that you have shown. As soon as people disagree with you, as well as Gailon,turn on them and twist their words. Your last two years or so on the web will be your diary for eternity Bob. Sad...your Angels don't even have to write down your sins of judging others and spreading rumors because of pride... It is all written down by none other than yourself!
Your whole case against Danny and 3ABN has been made by lies and innuendos.
Bob, it is deceiving to the uninformed reader of your post when you say, And I quote you Bob, "Don't you know that lying is a sin? What you just wrote is a bald face lie, and I am certain that you know it." First of all I do know that lying is a sin, but it seems you either don't know how often you lie or don't care!
For instance...I believe I read somewhere in the court docs that you were a pastor? You have made references to being a pastor in other places also. Bob is that true? Are you a full fledged SDA minister? Have you pastored any conference churches because so far I haven't found any records of such. A yes or no will work well here. Any hedging will tell us what we need to know. It's an easy, simple question.
Bob you continue to deceive people into believing that 3ABN is hiding something about the IRS case and that 3ABN had to pay money to the IRS to satisfy whatever wrongs they found. Is that not what you are insinuating Bob? You and Fran and Snoop and Gailon all try to convince people that the IRS did not shut down the case without fining 3ABN. That is a lie. Your lie Bob, not mine. The case was closed. 3ABN never negotiated any fines, no not one, nor were they asked or demanded to pay any fines by the IRS. The IRS is satisfied that after looking over 100,000 pages of documents for nearly a year that 3ABN was not guilty of any wrong doing. It doesn't make any difference what you say. Even the house deal you bring up. There is not and never was anything wrong or illegal with what transpired. DS had the counsel of attorneys and accountants. You cry foul when the experts say everything is above board. Same old pattern Bob. You don't have all your matching numbers but want to be the first to cry BINGO! Just because DS and 3ABN have never answered to you does'nt give you the right to invent your own scenerio's, twist the facts and falsely accuse them.
Bob let me give you something that maybe you can comprehend. There are millions of people who say that SDA's are wrong about keeping the seventh day Sabbath. Bob the list of accusers against SDA's include theologians from nearly all religious backgrounds. They try to show bible scripture to prove that the 10 commandments and the seventh day sabbath was nailed to the cross and therefore one may keep any day of the week he wants with God's blessings. Most people like your buddy Duane Clem laugh at SDA's for their beliefs. (Yes, I do have numerous witnesses that have told me of Duane's insensitive comments about the ignorance of SDA's keeping the Sabbath while he worked there)
Anyway my point Bob, is this. No matter how many people tell you that the law was nailed to the cross and use Col 2:14 to prove it...you know they are wrong...Why?...because they are not looking at all the pieces of the puzzle, they don't have all the numbers lined up, yet they cry Bingo, Bob. I know you believe that on judgment day you will be exonerated of these false accusations against your religious beliefs by none other than God himself. Don't you think some of these people who have said the Sabbath was nailed to the cross will be shocked, should they make it heaven, to find that creation will even be keeping the Sabbath in heaven? Finally everyone will know you were not an ignorant reader of the bible. Hey Bob, God will be on your side.
Bob, I liken you to the accusers against SDA's for still keeping the sabbath. They seem to have the proof that the sabbath was nailed to the cross after reading Col 2:14-16. I liken 3ABN to the ones being accused of wrongly keeping the Sabbath. 3ABN and DS have not only read the text in Col. but have taken all the text of the bible to find out that the others against the keeping of the Sabbath are only surface readers. In the case of the Sabbath Bob you have the truth, the accusers like Duane C. do not no matter how zealous they are they are wrong!
Bob no matter how zealous you and your gang is...you are still wrong. The IRS is likened in this parable to the judge as Jesus will be end the end. The judge has spoken and 3ABN has been exonerated of wrong doing, case closed!
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Bob, on numerous occasions you challenge us to show where you have twisted words and lied to please yourself. Let's take for example the statement below when talking about the Illinois court case.
You said let's talk. OK let's talk about it Bob.
Quote from Bob Pickle: "Plus he said that 3ABN wasn't making a profit on those video sales when Danny was making a whopping profit on his book sales"
Your lie Bob. The innocent reader of your post would have been deceived. You leave no margin of error that you could have been wrong. You make several statements that are lies.
Please tell us Bob where you find any whopping profits discussed, shown or proven in the Illinois tax case. You should remember that the Illinois case was all about the years 2000 and some of 2001 at most. It might be good for you to note when Danny's books were written. So Bob, what books were written by Danny at that time that you have evidence that he made a "whopping" profit. And where are the figures to back your "whopping profit on book sales". The only relative statement to "whopping" is the lie you tell. You and Gailon both have become your own worst enemy. It is your lies, innuendos and accusations that have caused everyone to distance themselves from you. Do you think anyone in the church would ever hire you? Why not? Is it because of DS and 3ABN? No. It is because of the obvious mental instability and dishonesty that you have shown. As soon as people disagree with you, as well as Gailon,turn on them and twist their words. Your last two years or so on the web will be your diary for eternity Bob. Sad...your Angels don't even have to write down your sins of judging others and spreading rumors because of pride... It is all written down by none other than yourself!
Your whole case against Danny and 3ABN has been made by lies and innuendos.
Bob, it is deceiving to the uninformed reader of your post when you say, And I quote you Bob, "Don't you know that lying is a sin? What you just wrote is a bald face lie, and I am certain that you know it." First of all I do know that lying is a sin, but it seems you either don't know how often you lie or don't care!
For instance...I believe I read somewhere in the court docs that you were a pastor? You have made references to being a pastor in other places also. Bob is that true? Are you a full fledged SDA minister? Have you pastored any conference churches because so far I haven't found any records of such. A yes or no will work well here. Any hedging will tell us what we need to know. It's an easy, simple question.
Bob you continue to deceive people into believing that 3ABN is hiding something about the IRS case and that 3ABN had to pay money to the IRS to satisfy whatever wrongs they found. Is that not what you are insinuating Bob? You and Fran and Snoop and Gailon all try to convince people that the IRS did not shut down the case without fining 3ABN. That is a lie. Your lie Bob, not mine. The case was closed. 3ABN never negotiated any fines, no not one, nor were they asked or demanded to pay any fines by the IRS. The IRS is satisfied that after looking over 100,000 pages of documents for nearly a year that 3ABN was not guilty of any wrong doing. It doesn't make any difference what you say. Even the house deal you bring up. There is not and never was anything wrong or illegal with what transpired. DS had the counsel of attorneys and accountants. You cry foul when the experts say everything is above board. Same old pattern Bob. You don't have all your matching numbers but want to be the first to cry BINGO! Just because DS and 3ABN have never answered to you does'nt give you the right to invent your own scenerio's, twist the facts and falsely accuse them.
Bob let me give you something that maybe you can comprehend. There are millions of people who say that SDA's are wrong about keeping the seventh day Sabbath. Bob the list of accusers against SDA's include theologians from nearly all religious backgrounds. They try to show bible scripture to prove that the 10 commandments and the seventh day sabbath was nailed to the cross and therefore one may keep any day of the week he wants with God's blessings. Most people like your buddy Duane Clem laugh at SDA's for their beliefs. (Yes, I do have numerous witnesses that have told me of Duane's insensitive comments about the ignorance of SDA's keeping the Sabbath while he worked there)
Anyway my point Bob, is this. No matter how many people tell you that the law was nailed to the cross and use Col 2:14 to prove it...you know they are wrong...Why?...because they are not looking at all the pieces of the puzzle, they don't have all the numbers lined up, yet they cry Bingo, Bob. I know you believe that on judgment day you will be exonerated of these false accusations against your religious beliefs by none other than God himself. Don't you think some of these people who have said the Sabbath was nailed to the cross will be shocked, should they make it heaven, to find that creation will even be keeping the Sabbath in heaven? Finally everyone will know you were not an ignorant reader of the bible. Hey Bob, God will be on your side.
Bob, I liken you to the accusers against SDA's for still keeping the sabbath. They seem to have the proof that the sabbath was nailed to the cross after reading Col 2:14-16. I liken 3ABN to the ones being accused of wrongly keeping the Sabbath. 3ABN and DS have not only read the text in Col. but have taken all the text of the bible to find out that the others against the keeping of the Sabbath are only surface readers. In the case of the Sabbath Bob you have the truth, the accusers like Duane C. do not no matter how zealous they are they are wrong!
Bob no matter how zealous you and your gang is...you are still wrong. The IRS is likened in this parable to the judge as Jesus will be end the end. The judge has spoken and 3ABN has been exonerated of wrong doing, case closed!
So, Sam. This is the best you've got? You can't refute my statements about Tommy so you bring up the fact that I don't keep a Sabbath? :ROFL:
You really are pathetic, you know that?
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Hey, Duane, maybe Sam ought to read this one:
"After all this, when Josiah had prepared the temple, Necho king of Egypt came up to fight against Carchemish by Euphrates: and Josiah went out against him. But he sent ambassadors to him, saying, What have I to do with thee, thou king of Judah? I come not against thee this day, but against the house wherewith I have war: for God commanded me to make haste: forbear thee from meddling with God, who is with me, that he destroy thee not. Nevertheless Josiah would not turn his face from him, but disguised himself, that he might fight with him, and hearkened not unto the words of Necho from the mouth of God, and came to fight in the valley of Megiddo" (2 Chr. 35:20).
There's a good chance that Necho and Josiah didn't believe he same on every point. Too bad Josiah didn't find Necho's advice credible enough.
On the other hand, Consider how willing Ellen White was to take advice from those who weren't Adventists:
"A Capt. Press and his wife, of Williamstown, attended some of the meetings. Mrs. Press was the president of the Women's Christian Temperance Union and for several years had been a vegetarian. She sought an interview with Mrs. White, and visited with her in her tent. ... Mrs. Press also urged Ellen White to take an all-out stand to banish all meat from her own table. ... but with her travels, with a diversity of cooks of varied skills, and with the pleading of certain of those who ate at her table, she had not taken a stand [before that point in time] that would have cleared the table entirely of meat" (4Bio 118, 119).
I suppose Sam might want to ask Danny why he put so much stock in what Hal Steenson said back in 1984, since Hal was not a Sabbath keeper at that time.
We ought to be willing to learn from anyone.
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Sam,
Personally I don't have any reason to write my opinion or observations which is all I can contribute. I don't have an inside track to good documents to prove a case. I have been reading for two plus years. Just because someone doesn't post doesn't mean they aren't reading. I imagine there are a lot of other folk out there who are reading but not adding their two cents worth.
Not once have you given any documents to back up your claims that Joy and Pickle are wrong.
All 3ABN defenders have done the same thing. I see a lot of documents to back up what Joy and Pickle are claiming. Also others are coming out to tell their stories or witnesses of abuse Danny Shelton has heaped on them. I met a lady who with her husband backing her up about Danny calling on her on the telephone and yelling on and on how terrible Linda Shelton is, on the other hand the lady never heard a bad word from Linda against Danny Shelton/3ABN. All Linda ever did was talk wonderful words about 3ABN ministry that had been her baby when she started it with her husband in the early days.
To me your words mean nothing. No documents to back yourself up. Bob has repeatedly asked you for documents. You nor anyone else backing 3ABN have produced documents against Linda or prove 3ABN BOD, Danny Shelton, J. Lomacane (don't know spelling of his name), Brenda Walsh and others to be telling the truth.
I had been watching in BSDA and Advent Talk and so far your side has never produced proof of any kind that 3ABN is truthful. Still waiting.....
but NOT holding my breath. :hot:
Still waiting?
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:ROFL: :ROFL: How Dare I? Bob you have been digging your own grave for 2 years and with your attempted justification above, you just covered up the hole. Even the few people left that read this forum can see how sick and twisted your thinking is. You are totally without reason, common sense or conscience. I truly feel sorry for your family.
I really think you need to chill down, pop some popcorn gather the kids and watch the Shelton Holiday Special tomorrow morning. Watch what scary, demented people they are. :ROFL:
Speak for yourself, Sam. You wanna give your opinion, fine. Don't assume you know what the "few people left that read this forum" are thinking.
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Ok let me get this straight. They moved to dismiss the law suit almost exactly two years ago, and you all are still tryna talking about this law suit?
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It is my understanding that Joy & Pickle are still appealing it.
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Ok let me get this straight. They moved to dismiss the law suit almost exactly two years ago, and you all are still tryna talking about this law suit?
Mr Fawcett is correct, the dismissal is in appeal. The issue is the decision by Judge Saylor to end the matter with a decision to do so "without prejudice" vs "with prejudice". These two destinctions make a big difference if the election is made to file suit against the 3ABN, its officers, directors and its legal counsel.
Unfortunately the appeal is in limbo to the expropriation claim for the bank statements and a couple of other side issues awaiting hearing. Since a new judge is assigned, things have ground to a very slow pace.
GAJ
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Some of the same people involved in these cases?
Ok let me get this straight. They moved to dismiss the law suit almost exactly two years ago, and you all are still tryna talking about this law suit?
Mr Fawcett is correct, the dismissal is in appeal. The issue is the decision by Judge Saylor to end the matter with a decision to do so "without prejudice" vs "with prejudice". These two destinctions make a big difference if the election is made to file suit against the 3ABN, its officers, directors and its legal counsel.
Unfortunately the appeal is in limbo to the expropriation claim for the bank statements and a couple of other side issues awaiting hearing. Since a new judge is assigned, things have ground to a very slow pace.
GAJ
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Ok let me get this straight. They moved to dismiss the law suit almost exactly two years ago, and you all are still tryna talking about this law suit?
It is clearly our goal to bring us back to where we were in October, 2008, to complete discovery, file counterclaims and finish this case with a Jury Trial on the merits.
And then we have a battle to finish with the lawyers!!! Misuse of process can no more be tolerated then 3ABN's perpetuation of the great lie!!!
It ain't over til it is OVER!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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What a good doggie!!! Wish I could give him a good behind the ear rub!!! He certainly seems quite happy!!! So easy to please.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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Seems like this is history in 2011 and now also in 2012.
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There are strong indications that at least Danny Shelton will still be deeply involved in lawsuits in 2013.
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It's good to see that Linda Shelton has been vindicated by the NAD from 2012 into 2013.
How does this affect Danny Shelton's assertions against Linda Shelton? Doesn't the sin of adultery now fall back on him?
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Danny Shelton has brought all of this on himself. A person just can't continue to use others for his own means without eventually getting tripped up.
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Very true.