Advent Talk
Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: ex3abnemployee on July 10, 2010, 11:43:52 AM
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A poster on this forum who goes by the name "Sam" (obviously because the person has no backbone and can't back up what they claim), made the following statement in response to Tommy Shelton's pending guilty plea in his sexual abuse case:
As usual, your post gave me a good laugh. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people take plea bargains for a variety of reasons. No money for a good defense, health issues, age, needing to be free to support their family...your comment was ridiculous.
"Sam" obviously thinks Tommy Shelton is a liar.
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A poster on this forum who goes by the name "Sam" (obviously because the person has no backbone and can't back up what they claim), made the following statement in response to Tommy Shelton's pending guilty plea in his sexual abuse case:
As usual, your post gave me a good laugh. Hundreds of thousands of innocent people take plea bargains for a variety of reasons. No money for a good defense, health issues, age, needing to be free to support their family...your comment was ridiculous.
"Sam" obviously thinks Tommy Shelton is a liar.
It appears that way doesn't it? Why would someone who is innocent "lay down like a bleeding lamb?" If Tommy Shelton is actually innocent, why would he lie and say he is guilty?
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Tommy saw no way out this time and couldn't fake a heart attack this time or a "nervous break down". He was just too old to face going to jail and maybe the men he molested felt sorry for him. Why I don't know, but opted for this deal, instead. But at least he will be labeled a felon and a sex offender. It took long enough- should have happened a long time ago.
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Tommy saw no way out this time and couldn't fake a heart attack this time or a "nervous break down". He was just too old to face going to jail and maybe the men he molested felt sorry for him. Why I don't know, but opted for this deal, instead. But at least he will be labeled a felon and a sex offender. It took long enough- should have happened a long time ago.
No, they didn't feel sorry for him. There are a lot of "behind the scenes" reasons why this took place. Knowing what I know about the case I would say that this was a good move, and no, it's not because there was insufficient evidence or he is innocent.
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Tommy saw no way out this time and couldn't fake a heart attack this time or a "nervous break down". He was just too old to face going to jail and maybe the men he molested felt sorry for him. Why I don't know, but opted for this deal, instead. But at least he will be labeled a felon and a sex offender. It took long enough- should have happened a long time ago.
No, they didn't feel sorry for him. There are a lot of "behind the scenes" reasons why this took place. Knowing what I know about the case I would say that this was a good move, and no, it's not because there was insufficient evidence or he is innocent.
I agree. This was simply a strategic move in an ongoing saga...
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I sort of think DS is getting a little preview of how cover up sagas can end when the money that helped TS situation might or might not go. Somehow I think the penalty is always worse when you used God in your deception of his "beloved meek". Believe this, the corruption will come to an end this and I believe it because of the examples so well illustrated in the Word of God.
Remember how Judas got ate up in the end by the dogs :dogwag: and remains threw in a plot.
That example was illustrated plenty good enough for me. All I can say is 3abn have fun while you can until your done. some may even live long cause that's all they will get on this earth but nothing in the next. There needs to be a change in ownership, boards, and direction. and of course compensation given with repentance. Exceptable compensation would be to give 3abn over to competent leaders that keep honest books and it doesn't end up in :horse: waste on the ground. Another good suggestion is to do it while they can before the Lord does it Himself and leaves them quite in debt that one cannot repay to the ones they helped destroy. Yes, I blieve there is a lot of dark closets in that "clan".
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What will 3abn do, if DS gets caught up is Tommy's mess?
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What will 3abn do, if DS gets caught up is Tommy's mess?
Defend, Defend, and Defend. I can imagine that we will find out soon enough. I am quite certain that this is the only beginning for Tommy and Danny.
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What will 3abn do, if DS gets caught up is Tommy's mess?
Danny is ALREADY caught up in Tommy's mess, and I've said for a long time that when the heat gets turned up, Danny will throw Tommy under the bus. Watch and see.
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But will 3Abn throw Danny under the bus if it gets too bad?
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3ABN and Danny Shelton are inextricably connected. Furthermore, the 3ABN "brand" has been and will be so tainted by the Shelton family involvement that it will be of no use to the Seventh-day Adventist church.
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I wonder how far reached a civil suit will go? I am sure there will be defendants including the church and the pastor who wanted Tommy to succeed him. Danny and 3ABN could probably be named as well.
Some may disagree with me, but truth of the matter is Danny and 3ABN was involved in wrong doing and was accessories, aided and bedded, and employed a child molestor.
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I wonder how far reached a civil suit will go? I am sure there will be defendants including the church and the pastor who wanted Tommy to succeed him. Danny and 3ABN could probably be named as well.
I wonder when that might happen?
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I wonder how far reached a civil suit will go? I am sure there will be defendants including the church and the pastor who wanted Tommy to succeed him. Danny and 3ABN could probably be named as well.
When I tried to warn about that possibility in late 2006, Danny started threatening to sue. But I think you can probably ask that question today without fear of being sued. I doubt 3ABN is going to foot the bill for another of Danny's hush-your-mouth-about-Tommy lawsuits. The first was expensive enough ... and still isn't over yet.
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But will 3Abn throw Danny under the bus if it gets too bad?
Well, I would guess not. They've had ample reason already to oust him and haven't.
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I wonder how far reached a civil suit will go? I am sure there will be defendants including the church and the pastor who wanted Tommy to succeed him. Danny and 3ABN could probably be named as well.
I wonder when that might happen?
Hard telling, but you know it's going to happen seeing that John C. Manly is in the picture. Find it hard to believe he would be hired if they wasn't after some sort of compensation for the victims.I wonder how far reached a civil suit will go? I am sure there will be defendants including the church and the pastor who wanted Tommy to succeed him. Danny and 3ABN could probably be named as well.
When I tried to warn about that possibility in late 2006, Danny started threatening to sue. But I think you can probably ask that question today without fear of being sued. I doubt 3ABN is going to foot the bill for another of Danny's hush-your-mouth-about-Tommy lawsuits. The first was expensive enough ... and still isn't over yet.
Wonder if reality has sunk in yet? I am like Duane, I'm sure they will throw Tommy over board the ship, and never speak of him again. But, the damage is already done. Danny messed himself already, and it has to be cleaned up!
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It is really sad how this case may affect so many people, churches, and ministries. Now all those efforts and court case in an effort to claim complete innocence seem to vanish like a vapor facing this trial.
May God have mercy.
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Tommy saw no way out this time and couldn't fake a heart attack this time or a "nervous break down". He was just too old to face going to jail and maybe the men he molested felt sorry for him. Why I don't know, but opted for this deal, instead. But at least he will be labeled a felon and a sex offender. It took long enough- should have happened a long time ago.
Whoever you are you need to repent as one doesn't fake a quadruple bypass, 2 heart attacks and 6 stents. Really could you get any lower?
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Tommy saw no way out this time and couldn't fake a heart attack this time or a "nervous break down". He was just too old to face going to jail and maybe the men he molested felt sorry for him. Why I don't know, but opted for this deal, instead. But at least he will be labeled a felon and a sex offender. It took long enough- should have happened a long time ago.
Whoever you are you need to repent as one doesn't fake a quadruple bypass, 2 heart attacks and 6 stents. Really could you get any lower?
Sam, we've heard these sort of claims for quite some time, but have yet to see any proof of them. Got anything you can post? Surely since Tommy wants us to believe that he really has had all these health problems, he would not mind his medical records being posted.
Remember, those who have known Tommy for quite some time have claimed that Tommy suddenly gets ill when these allegations surface, and suddenly is all better when the allegations have blown over. So it is very possible that Tommy Shelton, reportedly a skilled manipulator, which many sexual predators are, is healthier than what he wants us to believe.
But bear in mind that even if such health claims are true, it is possible that Tommy's lifestyle and the resulting guilt are part of the reason why he would be in poor health.
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I am sorry if I mis-spoke about the heart attacks. From reading some of the posts,the heart attacks were questionable. I don't know Tommy. If I am wrong, I will ask God to forgive me now. I guess I got up in the anger at what Tommy has done to these boys. You are right, I couldn't get any lower and I have asked God to forgive me. Thank you for pointing this out to me. Sometimes we need other Christians to point out our sins. thanks
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Tommy saw no way out this time and couldn't fake a heart attack this time or a "nervous break down". He was just too old to face going to jail and maybe the men he molested felt sorry for him. Why I don't know, but opted for this deal, instead. But at least he will be labeled a felon and a sex offender. It took long enough- should have happened a long time ago.
Whoever you are you need to repent as one doesn't fake a quadruple bypass, 2 heart attacks and 6 stents. Really could you get any lower?
He's still guilty.
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Tommy saw no way out this time and couldn't fake a heart attack this time or a "nervous break down". He was just too old to face going to jail and maybe the men he molested felt sorry for him. Why I don't know, but opted for this deal, instead. But at least he will be labeled a felon and a sex offender. It took long enough- should have happened a long time ago.
Whoever you are you need to repent as one doesn't fake a quadruple bypass, 2 heart attacks and 6 stents. Really could you get any lower?
Did you not hear that "guilt" or "caught in guilt" will eat you right up.. He can't deal with the reality of what his evil desires and demand were to the innocent. He can't do anything with his selfishness. It's over and the reality is "This is his life" HE chose it He did it and now It devours him. It's a trick the devil loves after he mastered ones life and the protectors of locked boxes. Next....! follower :rabbit: (DS) (Sam) (3D) (Ian)...
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True Duane, but in the spirit of disagreeing without being disagreeable, I like the fact tha mrst53 apologized for that portion. The man does have a heart condition. This must be a very stressful time for him, conscience and guilt weighing heavy on him. Having a weak heart, this time can most definitely be a health risk. Al that has absolutely no bearing on the face that he is still guilty.
Tommy saw no way out this time and couldn't fake a heart attack this time or a "nervous break down". He was just too old to face going to jail and maybe the men he molested felt sorry for him. Why I don't know, but opted for this deal, instead. But at least he will be labeled a felon and a sex offender. It took long enough- should have happened a long time ago.
Whoever you are you need to repent as one doesn't fake a quadruple bypass, 2 heart attacks and 6 stents. Really could you get any lower?
He's still guilty.
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True Duane, but in the spirit of disagreeing without being disagreeable, I like the fact tha mrst53 apologized for that portion. The man does have a heart condition. This must be a very stressful time for him, conscience and guilt weighing heavy on him. Having a weak heart, this time can most definitely be a health risk. Al that has absolutely no bearing on the face that he is still guilty.
I understand that, Di. However, you also have to understand where the victims are coming from. This has been the MO for years whenever things start looking bad. The health problems pop up, whether real or not, and then we are all tols we need to feel compassion and have sympathy. I've said before, I don't wish any bad health on Tommy Shelton and I CERTAINLY am not wishing for his death, but I resent the underlying implications from some of the defenders that this is somehow the fault of the victims for coming forward or filing charges. The fact of the matter is, if the acts weren't committed there would be no charges to file.
And defenders, before you say that false accusations are filed all the time, I am ready to answer that as well.
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Has anyone heard if TS has undergone surgery yet? If I were him and thank God I am not, but if I were, I would be asking Jesus Christ to forgive me and making a public apology to everyone I have ever wronged, just to make sure Jesus knew I meant business. Knowing I could die any moment and especially since I was undergoing surgery and my heart might not start up again.... hmmm- doesn't leave much choice to me
Duane, I know you want punishment for TS and I don't blame you. I want punishment for TS for you and I don't even know you. I want the entire family punished for allowing this to go on for so long. It should have stopped years ago, before he ever touched you.
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I heard that Tommy had a stent put in, but I can't verify if he had any problems or procedures at all.
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Has anyone heard if TS has undergone surgery yet? If I were him and thank God I am not, but if I were, I would be asking Jesus Christ to forgive me and making a public apology to everyone I have ever wronged, just to make sure Jesus knew I meant business. Knowing I could die any moment and especially since I was undergoing surgery and my heart might not start up again.... hmmm- doesn't leave much choice to me
Duane, I know you want punishment for TS and I don't blame you. I want punishment for TS for you and I don't even know you. I want the entire family punished for allowing this to go on for so long. It should have stopped years ago, before he ever touched you.
I can't even say that it's accurate that I want punishment for Tommy, but I certainly want the abuse to stop and Tommy has had nearly 40 years to make things right, but hasn't. If it takes punishment to put an end to it, so be it.
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3ABN and Danny Shelton are inextricably connected. Furthermore, the 3ABN "brand" has been and will be so tainted by the Shelton family involvement that it will be of no use to the Seventh-day Adventist church.
There will always be a cultish following for this non-denominational media ministry and it's self proclaimed founder that is "self-annointed". I did not beleive that a directorate of conservative Seventh-day Adventist business leaders would ignore good evidence...they did and the collission course was inevitable...but then, the people they sued stood their ground, conducted vigorous discovery, turned the ministry inside out, and we learned they do not really have the hutzpah it takes to really face brick walls!!! In fact, as the evidence production continued to cost them money to quash all the collateral damage, they turned and ran; and then were miffed that we chased them like the heathens they really are!!!
In fact, the discovery clearly demonstrated they were not the group that "counter-acts the counterfeit", they are the counterfeit!!!
They will not go away until the tide of history and micro-economics sweeps them aside, and it will most surely happen.
Be proud you are part of the anti-counterfeiting unit of the Seventh Day Adventist church...someone has to do it!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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a directorate of conservative Seventh-day Adventist business leaders
You mean Garwin McNeilus and cohorts?
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True Duane, but in the spirit of disagreeing without being disagreeable, I like the fact tha mrst53 apologized for that portion. The man does have a heart condition. This must be a very stressful time for him, conscience and guilt weighing heavy on him. Having a weak heart, this time can most definitely be a health risk. Al that has absolutely no bearing on the face that he is still guilty.
I understand that, Di. However, you also have to understand where the victims are coming from. This has been the MO for years whenever things start looking bad. The health problems pop up, whether real or not, and then we are all tols we need to feel compassion and have sympathy. I've said before, I don't wish any bad health on Tommy Shelton and I CERTAINLY am not wishing for his death, but I resent the underlying implications from some of the defenders that this is somehow the fault of the victims for coming forward or filing charges. The fact of the matter is, if the acts weren't committed there would be no charges to file.
And defenders, before you say that false accusations are filed all the time, I am ready to answer that as well.
I wish to thank Mrst53, for her conscience and apology. Some of the other posts here were far worse than hers in my opinion and sounded hateful and murderous to me, causing nausea, and leaving a sour taste behind. One may seek justice, pray for it, and even rejoice about it without being mean and nasty. It's just not necessary.
I realize I risk being called a coward and insulted further and told I deserve no answers and will get none from you because I post anonymously here, but I have wondered about this for a long time now. It came up again because Mrst53 wrote:
"Has anyone heard if TS has undergone surgery yet? If I were him and thank God I am not, but if I were, I would be asking Jesus Christ to forgive me and making a public apology to everyone I have ever wronged, just to make sure Jesus knew I meant business. Knowing I could die any moment and especially since I was undergoing surgery and my heart might not start up again.... hmmm- doesn't leave much choice to me"
That makes sense to me. Duane why do you think Tommy confessed he was wrong to you and apologized to you,and ven apologized to his wife and family about his improper relationship with you, but won't do that where others are concerned?
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I wish to thank Mrst53, for her conscience and apology. Some of the other posts here were far worse than hers in my opinion and sounded hateful and murderous to me, causing nausea, and leaving a sour taste behind. One may seek justice, pray for it, and even rejoice about it without being mean and nasty. It's just not necessary.
I realize I risk being called a coward and insulted further and told I deserve no answers and will get none from you because I post anonymously here, but I have wondered about this for a long time now. It came up again because Mrst53 wrote:
"Has anyone heard if TS has undergone surgery yet? If I were him and thank God I am not, but if I were, I would be asking Jesus Christ to forgive me and making a public apology to everyone I have ever wronged, just to make sure Jesus knew I meant business. Knowing I could die any moment and especially since I was undergoing surgery and my heart might not start up again.... hmmm- doesn't leave much choice to me"
That makes sense to me. Duane why do you think Tommy confessed he was wrong to you and apologized to you,and ven apologized to his wife and family about his improper relationship with you, but won't do that where others are concerned?
Because I didn't file criminal charges against him, that's why.
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I wish to thank Mrst53, for her conscience and apology. Some of the other posts here were far worse than hers in my opinion and sounded hateful and murderous to me, causing nausea, and leaving a sour taste behind. One may seek justice, pray for it, and even rejoice about it without being mean and nasty. It's just not necessary.
I realize I risk being called a coward and insulted further and told I deserve no answers and will get none from you because I post anonymously here, but I have wondered about this for a long time now. It came up again because Mrst53 wrote:
"Has anyone heard if TS has undergone surgery yet? If I were him and thank God I am not, but if I were, I would be asking Jesus Christ to forgive me and making a public apology to everyone I have ever wronged, just to make sure Jesus knew I meant business. Knowing I could die any moment and especially since I was undergoing surgery and my heart might not start up again.... hmmm- doesn't leave much choice to me"
That makes sense to me. Duane why do you think Tommy confessed he was wrong to you and apologized to you,and ven apologized to his wife and family about his improper relationship with you, but won't do that where others are concerned?
Because I didn't file criminal charges against him, that's why.
I think this was a good question, and think Mrst53 made a good point also. I appreciate your answer, but I'm not sure I understand your reasoning or why you think that, Duane. Dryden and Pickle have claimed there are many victims, and except for these two latest none have filed even one report or any criminal charges either. Even these 2 in the current case allege that it has been around 15 years since the alleged incidents and in all that time they never filed a report or any criminal charges and got no apology or confession either.You got your apology right away, and even multiple ones.
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As you read the stories of priests and monks who have been convicted in criminal court, or successfully sued in civil court for child molestation, you find that the large majority relate to men and women who come forward with charges dating to the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Also, you find that there is lots of corroborating testimony given by people who never file.
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As you read the stories of priests and monks who have been convicted in criminal court, or successfully sued in civil court for child molestation, you find that the large majority relate to men and women who come forward with charges dating to the 60's, 70's, and 80's. Also, you find that there is lots of corroborating testimony given by people who never file.
In my ministry I have people to whom this is true - within the Seventh-day Adventist church. I'd say a majority never file a complaint, even if they come forward 20-30 years later. But quite a number then only tell friends or their pastor - and possibly a grater number take the secret with them into their grave.
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Cindy, what percentage of women out there have been victims of abuse of some sort, or rape? What percentage actually report it to the police?
We had a convicted sex offender released in our community, and the law enforcement that led out in the public meeting prior to that stated that many or most incidents go unreported. He also cited statistics that many or most of those released do not re-offend. I then pointed out that those latter statistics only take into account the incidents that got reported, and thus the statistics about re-offending must be off.
I think we have covered this general point before about how often these things get reported to the police, and how soon, and I think it is time that you not bring it up again. To keep bringing iut up makes it sound like you are in denial of reality.
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Cindy, what percentage of women out there have been victims of abuse of some sort, or rape? What percentage actually report it to the police?
We had a convicted sex offender released in our community, and the law enforcement that led out in the public meeting prior to that stated that many or most incidents go unreported. He also cited statistics that many or most of those released do not re-offend. I then pointed out that those latter statistics only take into account the incidents that got reported, and thus the statistics about re-offending must be off.
I think we have covered this general point before about how often these things get reported to the police, and how soon, and I think it is time that you not bring it up again. To keep bringing iut up makes it sound like you are in denial of reality.
Bob, let's be real here. I acknowledge that many don't report crimes for various reasons. But I think it way past time that you learn to reply to what is being said or posted rather than having a knee jerk reaction, and replying to things which aren't said. Learn to listen! That is key to understanding and communicating.
1.You all want justice, but people need to report crimes to enable that. Am I really wrong in believing that, or saying that as I have in the past?
2. That wasn't even the issue here though. Duane said he thought he alone got a confession and apology as he didn't file a report/criminal charges. All I was trying to say, and meant was: well that doesn't really make sense to me as neither did the other alleged victims, and they didn't get a confession and apology because of that. So there has to be a different reason for it in my opinion.
Can't I comment without you going into attack mode?
Stop overreacting, taking things out of context, and so easily becoming offended, please.
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Cindy, what percentage of women out there have been victims of abuse of some sort, or rape? What percentage actually report it to the police?
We had a convicted sex offender released in our community, and the law enforcement that led out in the public meeting prior to that stated that many or most incidents go unreported. He also cited statistics that many or most of those released do not re-offend. I then pointed out that those latter statistics only take into account the incidents that got reported, and thus the statistics about re-offending must be off.
I think we have covered this general point before about how often these things get reported to the police, and how soon, and I think it is time that you not bring it up again. To keep bringing iut up makes it sound like you are in denial of reality.
Bob, let's be real here. I acknowledge that many don't report crimes for various reasons. But I think it way past time that you learn to reply to what is being said or posted rather than having a knee jerk reaction, and replying to things which aren't said. Learn to listen! That is key to understanding and communicating.
1.You all want justice, but people need to report crimes to enable that. Am I really wrong in believing that, or saying that as I have in the past?
2. That wasn't even the issue here though. Duane said he thought he alone got a confession and apology as he didn't file a report/criminal charges. All I was trying to say, and meant was: well that doesn't really make sense to me as neither did the other alleged victims, and they didn't get a confession and apology because of that. So there has to be a different reason for it in my opinion.
Can't I comment without you going into attack mode?
Stop overreacting, taking things out of context, and so easily becoming offended, please.
No you can't, and BTW I thought you was leaving again? Another lie?
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Cindy, what percentage of women out there have been victims of abuse of some sort, or rape? What percentage actually report it to the police?
We had a convicted sex offender released in our community, and the law enforcement that led out in the public meeting prior to that stated that many or most incidents go unreported. He also cited statistics that many or most of those released do not re-offend. I then pointed out that those latter statistics only take into account the incidents that got reported, and thus the statistics about re-offending must be off.
I think we have covered this general point before about how often these things get reported to the police, and how soon, and I think it is time that you not bring it up again. To keep bringing iut up makes it sound like you are in denial of reality.
Bob, let's be real here. I acknowledge that many don't report crimes for various reasons. But I think it way past time that you learn to reply to what is being said or posted rather than having a knee jerk reaction, and replying to things which aren't said. Learn to listen! That is key to understanding and communicating.
1.You all want justice, but people need to report crimes to enable that. Am I really wrong in believing that, or saying that as I have in the past?
2. That wasn't even the issue here though. Duane said he thought he alone got a confession and apology as he didn't file a report/criminal charges. All I was trying to say, and meant was: well that doesn't really make sense to me as neither did the other alleged victims, and they didn't get a confession and apology because of that. So there has to be a different reason for it in my opinion.
Can't I comment without you going into attack mode?
Stop overreacting, taking things out of context, and so easily becoming offended, please.
No you can't, and BTW I thought you was leaving again? Another lie?
I did leave. (days ago) Now I'm back. When your Mom or friends tell you that they are leaving now, do you call her or them liars when they return? If so? HOW MEAN AND RUDE.
And what do you mean "No, you can't"? I can't comment without Bob going into attack mode? Again: "If so, HOW MEAN AND RUDE."
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Cindy
There is no angle or direction you can come from to justify your own reasoning of the facts. I read the letter posted and so have other intelligences. It seems your realization of what TS wrote is unstable and denial of your own perception. Your characterization of all things are the same. That is one thing I read into your episode of early years. You have that personallity and evidently can't change it. per personal conversation on mail.
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Cindy, Cindy, Cindy,
You do seem to have a bit of a "anger management" problem. This isn't the people you should aim that anger at. You should aim your anger at the abuser of all these young men who have had their trust in people and innocence taken away.
How would you feel if someone you looked up to, trusted and had faith in used their position to violate you? I can't imagine how that must feel. I have been fortunate in that area.
On the forum talking about ts's plea I wrote something that I wish you would go read.
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I wish to thank Mrst53, for her conscience and apology. Some of the other posts here were far worse than hers in my opinion and sounded hateful and murderous to me, causing nausea, and leaving a sour taste behind. One may seek justice, pray for it, and even rejoice about it without being mean and nasty. It's just not necessary.
I realize I risk being called a coward and insulted further and told I deserve no answers and will get none from you because I post anonymously here, but I have wondered about this for a long time now. It came up again because Mrst53 wrote:
"Has anyone heard if TS has undergone surgery yet? If I were him and thank God I am not, but if I were, I would be asking Jesus Christ to forgive me and making a public apology to everyone I have ever wronged, just to make sure Jesus knew I meant business. Knowing I could die any moment and especially since I was undergoing surgery and my heart might not start up again.... hmmm- doesn't leave much choice to me"
That makes sense to me. Duane why do you think Tommy confessed he was wrong to you and apologized to you,and ven apologized to his wife and family about his improper relationship with you, but won't do that where others are concerned?
Because I didn't file criminal charges against him, that's why.
I think this was a good question, and think Mrst53 made a good point also. I appreciate your answer, but I'm not sure I understand your reasoning or why you think that, Duane. Dryden and Pickle have claimed there are many victims, and except for these two latest none have filed even one report or any criminal charges either. Even these 2 in the current case allege that it has been around 15 years since the alleged incidents and in all that time they never filed a report or any criminal charges and got no apology or confession either.You got your apology right away, and even multiple ones.
How can you say I got my apology right away, Cindy? It was YEARS after the abuse occured before I got that email. This is why I say you love to manipulate the facts and discredit people.
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I wasn't trying to discredit you by saying that you got your apology right away. I simply don't understand why he would apologize to you, and admit guilt, and not apologize to others while consistently saying he is innocent where they are concerned. You say it was because you didn't file charges against him, well neither did they, right? (with the current case being the exception) So that doesn't make sense to me, sorry. That was my main point.
It is my understanding that the letter you refer to was not the first apology though, because that letter itself refers to an earlier apology to you. That's why I referred to multiple apologies. If I misunderstood about the time referred to and spoke in error when I said "You got your apology right away" while referring to that earlier apology, I humbly apologize. It does now sound like I was wrong about that, thanks, and so I am sorry, Duane.
From: "Tommy Shelton"
To: "Duane CLem"
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:53:09 -0500
Hi Duane, I received your e-mail a couple of days ago. I guess you sent it longer ago than that, but I am not home several days a week. It sounds like you are doing what makes you the happiest - being involved in Gospel music. Duane, I have spent the last several years trying to straighten my life out.....You will remember that before I went to D.C. I apologized to you and told you that I wanted to make a new start and I have been trying to do that ever since. I've been honest with my wife, whom I almost destroyed with what I did....
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Beleive me, Cindy, when I tell you that we have made significant efforts to get parties to file approrpiate complants...even to the point of arranging appointments with lawyers and filing appropaite preliminary reports of findings...and that process will continue!!!
Most christians are fundementally opposed to litigation as a basis for addressing serious wrongs, and that is a significant inhibitor. Arbitration, mediation or other alternative dispute resolutions require the cooperation of all the parties and here, again, we have a staumbling block as people like Danny want a hidden process to avoid public disclosure of just what a miscreant the "annointed on" is, but cannot get it!!! At least not from this sector...full disclosure is cathartic to the soul and should result in public confession and revival and reformation.
Did you notice that Palin's "son-in-law" to be even understood that fundemental principal??? But, the "Annointed one" still has not figured out that fundemental of christianity.
Thus the open warfare goes on with charge and countercharge and "BICKERING" over every minutiae!!!
It is too bad that real revival and reformation is so elusive!!! Maybe we all meet in hell in a thousand years and get it on one last time!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
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I wasn't trying to discredit you by saying that you got your apology right away. I simply don't understand why he would apologize to you, and admit guilt, and not apologize to others while consistently saying he is innocent where they are concerned. You say it was because you didn't file charges against him, well neither did they, right? (with the current case being the exception) So that doesn't make sense to me, sorry. That was my main point.
It is my understanding that the letter you refer to was not the first apology though, because that letter itself refers to an earlier apology to you. That's why I referred to multiple apologies. If I misunderstood about the time referred to and spoke in error when I said "You got your apology right away" while referring to that earlier apology, I humbly apologize. It does now sound like I was wrong about that, thanks, and so I am sorry, Duane.
From: "Tommy Shelton"
To: "Duane CLem"
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:53:09 -0500
Hi Duane, I received your e-mail a couple of days ago. I guess you sent it longer ago than that, but I am not home several days a week. It sounds like you are doing what makes you the happiest - being involved in Gospel music. Duane, I have spent the last several years trying to straighten my life out.....You will remember that before I went to D.C. I apologized to you and told you that I wanted to make a new start and I have been trying to do that ever since. I've been honest with my wife, whom I almost destroyed with what I did....
Well, I certainly don't remember an apology. I remember him trying to justify and smooth things over, but no apology.
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I need to answer this here, but before I do and anybody starts getting ideas, let's get a couple of things straight beforehand and save yourself the time and effort of posting replies which have nothing to do with what I am posting about.
This is not about the current case underway this morning against Tommy Shelton. This is not about Tommy Shelton's guilt or innocence when it comes to the allegations of child molestation you've all made about that. This is not about the issue of child molestation period. Duane Clem was of age, he has said over and over he wasn't raped and has never claimed he was molested. So it's not about that either. I am addressing only his story and claims here. To further set you straight this is not about Danny Shelton, defending him, nor about 3ABN and defending them. Duane Clem's and Tommy Shelton's problem had nothing to do with them either.
So don't be trying to address any o that with me because I won't dignify a reply to none of it.
I wasn't trying to discredit you by saying that you got your apology right away. I simply don't understand why he would apologize to you, and admit guilt, and not apologize to others while consistently saying he is innocent where they are concerned. You say it was because you didn't file charges against him, well neither did they, right? (with the current case being the exception) So that doesn't make sense to me, sorry. That was my main point.
It is my understanding that the letter you refer to was not the first apology though, because that letter itself refers to an earlier apology to you. That's why I referred to multiple apologies. If I misunderstood about the time referred to and spoke in error when I said "You got your apology right away" while referring to that earlier apology, I humbly apologize. It does now sound like I was wrong about that, thanks, and so I am sorry, Duane.
From: "Tommy Shelton"
To: "Duane CLem"
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:53:09 -0500
Hi Duane, I received your e-mail a couple of days ago. I guess you sent it longer ago than that, but I am not home several days a week. It sounds like you are doing what makes you the happiest - being involved in Gospel music. Duane, I have spent the last several years trying to straighten my life out.....You will remember that before I went to D.C. I apologized to you and told you that I wanted to make a new start and I have been trying to do that ever since. I've been honest with my wife, whom I almost destroyed with what I did....
Well, I certainly don't remember an apology. I remember him trying to justify and smooth things over, but no apology.
Well then maybe you better think back again, Clem. It appears to me you forget a lot of things, such as writing and an telling Tommy there was nothing to forgive and that he'd never hurt you, but this here forgetfulness isn't going to work, because many were in the know here. Those people have been very puzzled at your acts and words and your teaming up with the Pickle against Tommy, and even Carol, and accusing and blaming her after so many years. It stops right here as I'm calling a spade, a spade. Let God is our witness and Judge here.
There was an apology face to face before Tommy moved to Va. He explained to those who he'd confessed to that he wanted his conscience clear and so he asked you (with Carol's knowledge) to go out and have a sandwich. You went and Tommy apologized. From that time on Duane, it certainly did look like things were smoothed over. You called him periodically to ask for advice about different things. Carol didn't want you calling and Tommy told you that but you still called every once in awhile because you said that no matter where Tommy went, In your heart Tommy would always be your pastor. Throughout the years Duane, you were always his biggest defender against Dryden and others. After Tommy moved back to Kentucky you called again but talked to Carol that time and started telling Carol that you were working with a girl and trying to lead her to give her heart to the Lord but that you needed advice and help. Carol who had a hard time dealing with you Duane after everything, took the high road and did what she could to help the girl, even going to visit her several times. This all took place over a few months and you and Carol were in contact back and forth. This was just prior to the pickledjoy thing and you remember how you told Pickle you were looking for news of Tommy when you came across his accusations, and entered the fray fightening mad and still defending Tommy. Remember?
Now here is this supposed abuse back in the 80's and yet, all through the years Duane, you remained friends with Tommy and his family and defended him, and them So what changed all that?
Nobody in the know about all a this is a Doctor, but it does appear the letter of apology, your second apology, was the catalyst Why? Because in it Tommy says because it was so hard on Carol that you two could no longer be even casual friends, so it looks to us like you took it as some kind of rejection. And then of course after Pickle got hold of you, you began to claim you had to protect your ministry and your kids and couldn't have it come out and hurt that, so you had to speak up and out against Tommy publicly. The problem is, not only are you lying here about not remembering that apology, but you claimed Tommy apologized because you didn't file criminal charges, but Duane that was a worse lie.. You had no criminal charges to file. You were of age and a willing participant, and nothing which you have said occured between you and he is a crime. NOTHING. What charges would you file for crying out loud?
That's it, that's all I have to say. If you get angry I won't blame you, and I'll even understand,but for your own sake, try and not do or say anything in anger that you might later regret.
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This whole saga is a sad one. It is sad for Tommy Shelton and all of his family members. It is sad for the young people who have accused him and for others of whom he is accused of inappropriate relationships.
In any case: According to what has been posted here, Tommy Shelton has pled guilty under circumstances where he may go to prison.
With that guilty plea, under the law, Tommy Shelton has acknowledged that he violated the law by his conduct. He has agreed to accept the label of "guilty." This is sad, but if the post is accurate, the fact has been established that he is guilty.
It is wrong in this situation to blame the "victim." It is wrong to say that there is not victim. The guilty plea, if true, trumpets to the world otherwise and that there is a victim or victims.
In a situation like this, the blame for the violation of the law rests soley on the person who has admitted violating the law. The blame does not rest on the victim.
In any case, with the guilty plea, maybe those who have charged him may be able to obtian some peace and resolution. Let us hope so.
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This whole saga is a sad one. It is sad for Tommy Shelton and all of his family members. It is sad for the young people who have accused him and for others of whom he is accused of inappropriate relationships.
In any case: According to what has been posted here, Tommy Shelton has pled guilty under circumstances where he may go to prison.
With that guilty plea, under the law, Tommy Shelton has acknowledged that he violated the law by his conduct. He has agreed to accept the label of "guilty." This is sad, but if the post is accurate, the fact has been established that he is guilty.
It is wrong in this situation to blame the "victim." It is wrong to say that there is not victim. The guilty plea, if true, trumpets to the world otherwise and that there is a victim or victims.
In a situation like this, the blame for the violation of the law rests soley on the person who has admitted violating the law. The blame does not rest on the victim.
In any case, with the guilty plea, maybe those who have charged him may be able to obtian some peace and resolution. Let us hope so.
Excellent post, Gregory. I agree 100%.
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This whole saga is a sad one. It is sad for Tommy Shelton and all of his family members. It is sad for the young people who have accused him and for others of whom he is accused of inappropriate relationships.
In any case: According to what has been posted here, Tommy Shelton has pled guilty under circumstances where he may go to prison.
With that guilty plea, under the law, Tommy Shelton has acknowledged that he violated the law by his conduct. He has agreed to accept the label of "guilty." This is sad, but if the post is accurate, the fact has been established that he is guilty.
It is wrong in this situation to blame the "victim." It is wrong to say that there is not victim. The guilty plea, if true, trumpets to the world otherwise and that there is a victim or victims.
In a situation like this, the blame for the violation of the law rests soley on the person who has admitted violating the law. The blame does not rest on the victim.
In any case, with the guilty plea, maybe those who have charged him may be able to obtian some peace and resolution. Let us hope so.
Excellent post, Gregory. I agree 100%.
This may surprise a few here, but except for the exception below, I too agree.
This part here:
"and for others of whom he is accused of inappropriate relationships."
I would hope and pray that each other case is decided on it's own merits, or lack of merits, whichever that may be.
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I need to answer this here, but before I do and anybody starts getting ideas, let's get a couple of things straight beforehand and save yourself the time and effort of posting replies which have nothing to do with what I am posting about.
This is not about the current case underway this morning against Tommy Shelton. This is not about Tommy Shelton's guilt or innocence when it comes to the allegations of child molestation you've all made about that. This is not about the issue of child molestation period. Duane Clem was of age, he has said over and over he wasn't raped and has never claimed he was molested. So it's not about that either. I am addressing only his story and claims here. To further set you straight this is not about Danny Shelton, defending him, nor about 3ABN and defending them. Duane Clem's and Tommy Shelton's problem had nothing to do with them either.
So don't be trying to address any o that with me because I won't dignify a reply to none of it.
I wasn't trying to discredit you by saying that you got your apology right away. I simply don't understand why he would apologize to you, and admit guilt, and not apologize to others while consistently saying he is innocent where they are concerned. You say it was because you didn't file charges against him, well neither did they, right? (with the current case being the exception) So that doesn't make sense to me, sorry. That was my main point.
It is my understanding that the letter you refer to was not the first apology though, because that letter itself refers to an earlier apology to you. That's why I referred to multiple apologies. If I misunderstood about the time referred to and spoke in error when I said "You got your apology right away" while referring to that earlier apology, I humbly apologize. It does now sound like I was wrong about that, thanks, and so I am sorry, Duane.
From: "Tommy Shelton"
To: "Duane CLem"
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:53:09 -0500
Hi Duane, I received your e-mail a couple of days ago. I guess you sent it longer ago than that, but I am not home several days a week. It sounds like you are doing what makes you the happiest - being involved in Gospel music. Duane, I have spent the last several years trying to straighten my life out.....You will remember that before I went to D.C. I apologized to you and told you that I wanted to make a new start and I have been trying to do that ever since. I've been honest with my wife, whom I almost destroyed with what I did....
Well, I certainly don't remember an apology. I remember him trying to justify and smooth things over, but no apology.
Well then maybe you better think back again, Clem. It appears to me you forget a lot of things, such as writing and an telling Tommy there was nothing to forgive and that he'd never hurt you, but this here forgetfulness isn't going to work, because many were in the know here. Those people have been very puzzled at your acts and words and your teaming up with the Pickle against Tommy, and even Carol, and accusing and blaming her after so many years. It stops right here as I'm calling a spade, a spade. Let God is our witness and Judge here.
There was an apology face to face before Tommy moved to Va. He explained to those who he'd confessed to that he wanted his conscience clear and so he asked you (with Carol's knowledge) to go out and have a sandwich. You went and Tommy apologized. From that time on Duane, it certainly did look like things were smoothed over. You called him periodically to ask for advice about different things. Carol didn't want you calling and Tommy told you that but you still called every once in awhile because you said that no matter where Tommy went, In your heart Tommy would always be your pastor. Throughout the years Duane, you were always his biggest defender against Dryden and others. After Tommy moved back to Kentucky you called again but talked to Carol that time and started telling Carol that you were working with a girl and trying to lead her to give her heart to the Lord but that you needed advice and help. Carol who had a hard time dealing with you Duane after everything, took the high road and did what she could to help the girl, even going to visit her several times. This all took place over a few months and you and Carol were in contact back and forth. This was just prior to the pickledjoy thing and you remember how you told Pickle you were looking for news of Tommy when you came across his accusations, and entered the fray fightening mad and still defending Tommy. Remember?
Now here is this supposed abuse back in the 80's and yet, all through the years Duane, you remained friends with Tommy and his family and defended him, and them So what changed all that?
Nobody in the know about all a this is a Doctor, but it does appear the letter of apology, your second apology, was the catalyst Why? Because in it Tommy says because it was so hard on Carol that you two could no longer be even casual friends, so it looks to us like you took it as some kind of rejection. And then of course after Pickle got hold of you, you began to claim you had to protect your ministry and your kids and couldn't have it come out and hurt that, so you had to speak up and out against Tommy publicly. The problem is, not only are you lying here about not remembering that apology, but you claimed Tommy apologized because you didn't file criminal charges, but Duane that was a worse lie.. You had no criminal charges to file. You were of age and a willing participant, and nothing which you have said occured between you and he is a crime. NOTHING. What charges would you file for crying out loud?
That's it, that's all I have to say. If you get angry I won't blame you, and I'll even understand,but for your own sake, try and not do or say anything in anger that you might later regret.
There was never a face to face apology. The rest of what you say is twisted to look good for Tommy. And, Ive said numerous times, God has delivered me from my anger issues. I know you're disappointed about that, but it's true.
BTW, do you REALLY think you're fooling anyone with the name change? LOL
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Those letters from Tommy to Duane were the poorest excuses for an apology I have ever seen. All they were, were attempts to make Tommy look good and I am outsider on this site. He tries to make excuses for himself. If he had really been sorry and had really wanted help, he would have checked himself into a good mental heath facility for a GOOD LONG TIME and NEVER ALOWED HIMSELF to be put into another situation with children or teens again OR allowed his family to LET him to be put in the situation again. BUT Tommy did NOT DO THAT. He continually put himself into those situations where children and teens were near and he was alone with them. He WAS NOT SORRY FOR WHAT HE DID, HE IS SORRY HE GOT CAUGHT! I know it is a sickness, but Tommy has known he has had it for a long time and there was help out there and he didn't get it. If you have high blood pressure and have a stroke because you didn't take your medicine who's fault is it???? Same goes for Tommy.....
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Plus this just gives virification that his wife knew it all along while all the rest "cried Innocen" she knew it for the adopted child, she knew all the rest of victims, she knew, their children knew so whats new?? and the followers cry "innocent". If the wife knew, so did the brothers, so did the sister and Melody, and Linda and the 3abn board...That does not stay in the closet for all to cry foul when they knew. The minglers knew or now they have no excuse for saying they didn't. Whew, what a mess. The power of one man's evil that spread almost into infinity. Same thing Satan did wasn't it??
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tinka,
I am so afraid that there are so many more victims out there that we don't even know about. Pedophiles don't just stop and pick up again years later, they keep abusing, so there must be more victims between Duane's age group and Adam's group and then after Adam's group. When and if they come forward will be anyone's guess. How many there are, only God knows and we can only pray that God will heal them.
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tinka,
I am so afraid that there are so many more victims out there that we don't even know about. Pedophiles don't just stop and pick up again years later, they keep abusing, so there must be more victims between Duane's age group and Adam's group and then after Adam's group. When and if they come forward will be anyone's guess. How many there are, only God knows and we can only pray that God will heal them.
There are others before me as well.
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Duane,
I am so, so sorry, that Tommy was not stopped before he reached you. Someone will be held accountable on Judgement Day for that.
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Frankly, Mr. Smith, you are correct...YOU ARE CLEARLY NOT A DOCTOR, A PSYCHOLOGIST OR EVEN A GOOD PASTOR.
Mr. Clem's entire history is exactly what you see in most sexual predator cases...since the offender is obviously capable of "lording" over his victim, these are common inter-dependency and compensation reactions for what was clearly a very repressed part of his life.
Obviously, at some point the guilt finally rose to the surface and he has now gone through the process of regaining his self respect, a very important process in the healing cycle.
It may shock the civility of some, but the observation of someone actually holding the miscreant "pastor" accountable can in fact be very cathartic for all the victims, whether publicly or privately. I, for one, welcome this day of a "partial justice" as way too little way too late. And I view it a natural consequence of his outrageous sin.
But very inconsequential given the number of victims over the decades.
I will never forget going to a funeral of a favorite uncle and hearing a favorite aunt boldly exclaim with ferver "the old bastard finally got what he deserved"... and with that discovered the presumed saint had a harem or ladies that had left my aunt devastated for 30 years. She was resentful and full of seething hatred all those years, smiling and hugging the man at every gathering I could remember. Go figure!!!! And they sat in the same pew every Sunday (not SDA'a obviously).
My aunt asked me to arrange for resolution of some of the estate issues, and I was glad to freely do so, until I was startled to discover I had a couple of "hidden cousins" that were to be beneficiaries of the my uncles secret will and estate. Can you imagine the traumatic issues resulting from this uncovering of two "accidental" mothers and their children and all the vicious responses I became a victim of as I helped with the execution of my Uncles will with his attorney...both sides clearly viewed me as a the great satan as I defended the exact purpose of the will despite cross-claims in probate from multiple parties.
My aunt never spoke to me again as she exercised the simpelist form of transference for all those years of spousal abuse to me for siding with my uncles exact will, a result of his adulterous life.
So, in summary, there is nothing unusual in what you describe and live and learn...I am sure this will not be the first or last case you will see. Just be sure to protect the victim and crucify the perpetrator. That is justice and will likely save the world of more victims.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter
I need to answer this here, but before I do and anybody starts getting ideas, let's get a couple of things straight beforehand and save yourself the time and effort of posting replies which have nothing to do with what I am posting about.
This is not about the current case underway this morning against Tommy Shelton. This is not about Tommy Shelton's guilt or innocence when it comes to the allegations of child molestation you've all made about that. This is not about the issue of child molestation period. Duane Clem was of age, he has said over and over he wasn't raped and has never claimed he was molested. So it's not about that either. I am addressing only his story and claims here. To further set you straight this is not about Danny Shelton, defending him, nor about 3ABN and defending them. Duane Clem's and Tommy Shelton's problem had nothing to do with them either.
So don't be trying to address any o that with me because I won't dignify a reply to none of it.
I wasn't trying to discredit you by saying that you got your apology right away. I simply don't understand why he would apologize to you, and admit guilt, and not apologize to others while consistently saying he is innocent where they are concerned. You say it was because you didn't file charges against him, well neither did they, right? (with the current case being the exception) So that doesn't make sense to me, sorry. That was my main point.
It is my understanding that the letter you refer to was not the first apology though, because that letter itself refers to an earlier apology to you. That's why I referred to multiple apologies. If I misunderstood about the time referred to and spoke in error when I said "You got your apology right away" while referring to that earlier apology, I humbly apologize. It does now sound like I was wrong about that, thanks, and so I am sorry, Duane.
From: "Tommy Shelton"
To: "Duane CLem"
Subject: Re: Hello
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 20:53:09 -0500
Hi Duane, I received your e-mail a couple of days ago. I guess you sent it longer ago than that, but I am not home several days a week. It sounds like you are doing what makes you the happiest - being involved in Gospel music. Duane, I have spent the last several years trying to straighten my life out.....You will remember that before I went to D.C. I apologized to you and told you that I wanted to make a new start and I have been trying to do that ever since. I've been honest with my wife, whom I almost destroyed with what I did....
Well, I certainly don't remember an apology. I remember him trying to justify and smooth things over, but no apology.
Well then maybe you better think back again, Clem. It appears to me you forget a lot of things, such as writing and an telling Tommy there was nothing to forgive and that he'd never hurt you, but this here forgetfulness isn't going to work, because many were in the know here. Those people have been very puzzled at your acts and words and your teaming up with the Pickle against Tommy, and even Carol, and accusing and blaming her after so many years. It stops right here as I'm calling a spade, a spade. Let God is our witness and Judge here.
There was an apology face to face before Tommy moved to Va. He explained to those who he'd confessed to that he wanted his conscience clear and so he asked you (with Carol's knowledge) to go out and have a sandwich. You went and Tommy apologized. From that time on Duane, it certainly did look like things were smoothed over. You called him periodically to ask for advice about different things. Carol didn't want you calling and Tommy told you that but you still called every once in awhile because you said that no matter where Tommy went, In your heart Tommy would always be your pastor. Throughout the years Duane, you were always his biggest defender against Dryden and others. After Tommy moved back to Kentucky you called again but talked to Carol that time and started telling Carol that you were working with a girl and trying to lead her to give her heart to the Lord but that you needed advice and help. Carol who had a hard time dealing with you Duane after everything, took the high road and did what she could to help the girl, even going to visit her several times. This all took place over a few months and you and Carol were in contact back and forth. This was just prior to the pickledjoy thing and you remember how you told Pickle you were looking for news of Tommy when you came across his accusations, and entered the fray fightening mad and still defending Tommy. Remember?
Now here is this supposed abuse back in the 80's and yet, all through the years Duane, you remained friends with Tommy and his family and defended him, and them So what changed all that?
Nobody in the know about all a this is a Doctor, but it does appear the letter of apology, your second apology, was the catalyst Why? Because in it Tommy says because it was so hard on Carol that you two could no longer be even casual friends, so it looks to us like you took it as some kind of rejection. And then of course after Pickle got hold of you, you began to claim you had to protect your ministry and your kids and couldn't have it come out and hurt that, so you had to speak up and out against Tommy publicly. The problem is, not only are you lying here about not remembering that apology, but you claimed Tommy apologized because you didn't file criminal charges, but Duane that was a worse lie.. You had no criminal charges to file. You were of age and a willing participant, and nothing which you have said occured between you and he is a crime. NOTHING. What charges would you file for crying out loud?
That's it, that's all I have to say. If you get angry I won't blame you, and I'll even understand,but for your own sake, try and not do or say anything in anger that you might later regret.
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Carol who had a hard time dealing with you Duane after everything, took the high road and did what she could to help the girl, even going to visit her several times.
Could you please explain this? I don't understand it. It sounds like you are saying that Carol blamed Duane for seducing her husband, instead of blaming her husband for abusing his position by seducing male youth.
The way you have described Carol's thoughts on the matter, it sounds as if Carol should seek some professional help.
Does Carol blame her adopted son for seducing her husband? Does Carol have a hard time dealing with her adopted son?
The real question is, Does Carol have trouble dealing with her cheating husband who preyed on the innocent and weak over and over again?
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Boy is this sick- cause those questions of Carol are true as the sun coming up tomorrow. It was obvious from the beginning her sickness too and I'll tell you why..I don't see any scars on the head of TS in the picture from an iron skillet from Carol. She would have had every right to do it for the adopted son's protection. Who knows that might have been the end of it all. ;D
I told my husband this eve of what was transpiring with the "plea" and the judge. and he instantly said no ifs or ands about it..the man needs to be in jail and the judge said and thinking the right thing. He had his day and "years of mass distruction". The rest of them need to be done the same. so there is what many of jury would think because I can take it from my "honest good political guru of facts" ;)
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You know what I find funny? The defenders keep saying I'm not involved in this case, yet they keep attacking me. :scratch:
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You know what I find funny? The defenders keep saying I'm not involved in this case, yet they keep attacking me. :scratch:
Somebody must think as I do, but for a different reason - that you are an important person.
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You know what I find funny? The defenders keep saying I'm not involved in this case, yet they keep attacking me. :scratch:
Well then at least you can feel important. It sounds to me like you are saying or implying that all the posts made which are critical of you, in disagreement with you, or which question you, or rebut things you post are being made because of this case, and confirm that you are involved, and that you are saying that there is no other possible reason for them. I agree that is funny. Especially since this case only came up months ago, and people have been having problems with your account and claims, and the way you act, and treat, and talk about, and to others for years now.
Funny
Definition:
1. comical: causing amusement, especially enough to provoke laughter
2. strange: odd or perplexing
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You know what I find funny? The defenders keep saying I'm not involved in this case, yet they keep attacking me. :scratch:
Well then at least you can feel important. It sounds to me like you are saying or implying that all the posts made which are critical of you, in disagreement with you, or which question you, or rebut things you post are being made because of this case, and confirm that you are involved, and that you are saying that there is no other possible reason for them. I agree that is funny. Especially since this case only came up months ago, and people have been having problems with your account and claims, and the way you act, and treat, and talk about, and to others for years now.
Funny
Definition:
1. comical: causing amusement, especially enough to provoke laughter
2. strange: odd or perplexing
LOL. See what I mean?
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BTW, can you show me where I ever said I was involved in this case? You're just hacked off because Tommy admitted to the molestation and I won't shut up about it. May as well get used to it. See, no matter how much you attack or attempt to discredit me or anyone else, Tommy Shelton has now publicly admitted that he is a child molestor. Even if he ends up withdrawing his plea, as only a coward would do, he has still admitted guilt, and nothing can ever change that. You and the other defenders have all been exposed as frauds.
I guess what I'm trying to say is...IN YOUR FACE! :ROFL:
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Carol who had a hard time dealing with you Duane after everything, took the high road and did what she could to help the girl, even going to visit her several times.
Could you please explain this? I don't understand it. It sounds like you are saying that Carol blamed Duane for seducing her husband, instead of blaming her husband for abusing his position by seducing male youth.
The way you have described Carol's thoughts on the matter, it sounds as if Carol should seek some professional help.
Does Carol blame her adopted son for seducing her husband? Does Carol have a hard time dealing with her adopted son?
The real question is, Does Carol have trouble dealing with her cheating husband who preyed on the innocent and weak over and over again?
On further reflection, Jamie, I ask you to retract the quoted sentiment.
Carol has been through so much, she doesn't need you painting her as being some sort of sick, off the wall person who blames her husband's victims for seducing her pedophile and predator husband. You really ought to have more compassion for what Carol is going through right now, and not be harming her reputation like that.
So will you retract the quoted sentiment that Carol has trouble dealing with Duane after Tommy victimized Duane?
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I wonder what happened to Sammy. Sammy still hasn't appologized for his filthy lies.
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Pat Williams..........
could you explain to me something about the following...
Who are the people "who are having problems with your account and claims...."
"I agree that is funny. Especially since this case only came up months ago, and people have been having problems with your account and claims, and the way you act, and treat, and talk about, and to others for years now.
Sounds like an intimidation problem to me. I don't see any folk who siding with victims having problems with Duane's account...
So it must be the Danny/Tommy defenders who have the problem.
The stories I read here confirm what I have been hearing first hand from Danny's victims. You should be paid well for 'trying' to harrass victims. Back off. Get over it.
(just sitting on the side lines reading your nasty remarks wishing you would stay away when you say you are leaving......promises...broken agan and again)