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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Adam on July 30, 2010, 04:52:42 AM
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My understanding is that both victims are currently in the process of working on "Victim Impact Statements." That have to be submitted to the judge before the first of September.
Both victims will also be given the opportunity to speak directly to Tommy and the judge at the Sentencing hearing in September.
Wonder how much this will play in impacting Judge Bellows ruling?
As many of you know the judge will rule on whether to accept or reject the plea deal.
If the judge rejects it Tommy Shelton has two options:
1. Withdraw the plea deal, and be seen by a different judge where he can either:
a. offer the same plea deal to them.
b. Negotiate another plea deal with the Prosecution
c. Go to trial.
OR
2. He can accept judge Bellows sentencing that could include Prison time.
If the judge accepts the plea deal.
1. Tommy will have to register as a sex offender and face NO jail time. But will be placed on probation for a length determined by the court.
It should be interesting how this plays in determining the judges ruling.
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Not knowing the mind of the judge nor the contents of those reports it is diffucult to predict.
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Will the judge have access to any of the history of the accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped? Is there any written record of these?
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Will the judge have access to any of the history of the accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped? Is there any written record of these?
As far as the "Victim Impact Statements" it clearly states there cannot be any facts besides those of the current case. So, no the judge will not have access to those.
However, at sentencing itself, the victims will have the opportunity to SAY anything they want. At that point, Tommy is in the hot seat. And if the victims decide to bring up EVERY single allegation, they are free to do so.
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Will the judge have access to any of the history of the accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped? Is there any written record of these?
Adam raises a good question, but just to clarify..
There are no "accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped" so, no, there is no written record of such.
The only complaint before now which was ever reported was in 1985, and after the police investigated no charges were ever filed.
Other than than that, and the current case, no statements, and no reports have ever been filed.
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Will the judge have access to any of the history of the accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped? Is there any written record of these?
Adam raises a good question, but just to clarify..
There are no "accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped" so, no, there is no written record of such.
The only complaint before now which was ever reported was in 1985, and after the police investigated no charges were ever filed.
Other than than that, and the current case, no statements, and no reports have ever been filed.
You are correct, to my knowledge there isn't any either. However, if she is asking if the fact that other people have came forward as victims , as I said these cannot be added to the Victim Impact statement. But the victims can state whatever they wish at sentencing itself when they take the stand.
The Victim impact statement is a technicality it is part of the pre-sentence report that is submitted to the judge before the sentencing hearing.
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Will the judge have access to any of the history of the accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped? Is there any written record of these?
Adam raises a good question, but just to clarify..
There are no "accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped" so, no, there is no written record of such.
The only complaint before now which was ever reported was in 1985, and after the police investigated no charges were ever filed.
Other than than that, and the current case, no statements, and no reports have ever been filed.
You are correct, to my knowledge there isn't any either. However, if she is asking if the fact that other people have came forward as victims , as I said these cannot be added to the Victim Impact statement. But the victims can state whatever they wish at sentencing itself when they take the stand.
The Victim impact statement is a technicality it is part of the pre-sentence report that is submitted to the judge before the sentencing hearing.
Let's try and be realistic. "Victims coming forward" does not equal so and so claiming on the internet,via email or via gossip, that so and so said this or that to them...
I don't know if the victims can say such or not in their statments, but I do know a Judge won't give unsubstantiated hear say the time of day and to think that it will effect him is a pipe dream.
IOW, they need to speak about themselves and not think that courtroom is like adventtalk. (no matter what Bob tells you.)
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Pat Williams stated:
Let's try and be realistic. "Victims coming forward" does not equal so and so claiming on the internet,via email or via gossip, that so and so said this or that to them...
I don't agree with calling a victim's coming forward gossip.
Second I disagree with this too.
I do know a Judge won't give unsubstantiated hear say the time of day and to think that it will effect him is a pipe dream.
I believe the Judge will in fact take into consideration the many victims in Illinois. It is ture these facts could not be brought up at a trial. However if one of the two victims want to take the stand, and tell the judge about Tommy's past that is their right. They can feel free to do so without the defense objecting. That is their time to speak.
Now, to be fair, and I'm sure we will all agree what is going to happen at the sentencing hearing. In all reality both sides are going to be working together to persuade the judge not to reject this agreement. The defense will use things such as health, age, etc. Prosecution will use, victims reliving the events that occured, evidence, etc.
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Will the judge have access to any of the history of the accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped? Is there any written record of these?
Adam raises a good question, but just to clarify..
There are no "accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped" so, no, there is no written record of such.
The only complaint before now which was ever reported was in 1985, and after the police investigated no charges were ever filed.
Other than than that, and the current case, no statements, and no reports have ever been filed.
You're lying again.
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Will the judge have access to any of the history of the accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped? Is there any written record of these?
Adam raises a good question, but just to clarify..
There are no "accusations of pedophilia against Tommy that were dropped" so, no, there is no written record of such.
The only complaint before now which was ever reported was in 1985, and after the police investigated no charges were ever filed.
Other than than that, and the current case, no statements, and no reports have ever been filed.
You are correct, to my knowledge there isn't any either. However, if she is asking if the fact that other people have came forward as victims , as I said these cannot be added to the Victim Impact statement. But the victims can state whatever they wish at sentencing itself when they take the stand.
The Victim impact statement is a technicality it is part of the pre-sentence report that is submitted to the judge before the sentencing hearing.
Let's try and be realistic. "Victims coming forward" does not equal so and so claiming on the internet,via email or via gossip, that so and so said this or that to them...
I don't know if the victims can say such or not in their statments, but I do know a Judge won't give unsubstantiated hear say the time of day and to think that it will effect him is a pipe dream.
IOW, they need to speak about themselves and not think that courtroom is like adventtalk. (no matter what Bob tells you.)
Pat- I have never once spoken to Bob. Thank you.
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Let's back up again- I am asking : will the judge have access to the 1985 "complaint" that was investigated and dropped. Was this an accusation of pedophilia?
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Let's back up again- I am asking : will the judge have access to the 1985 "complaint" that was investigated and dropped. Was this an accusation of pedophilia?
Only if the victims bring it up, during their testimony. Other than that No.
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Let's back up again- I am asking : will the judge have access to the 1985 "complaint" that was investigated and dropped. Was this an accusation of pedophilia?
Yes, and there were numerous other allegations.
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One thing to the victims that they should remember, Do not let wrong emotions enter that provide sympathy at any point for TS. It is now beyond that and a very senitive person will sometimes fall to it. Do not let that happen now that it is time for your long awaited closure. You will regret it later and be strong at that moment. Only think of the damage you felt and others that came under his power. You must think that the fire must be put out and now! I hope you all are strong at this point as you finally were brave enough to come forward.
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Mrst: The only things that can be brought up are the events that happened in Virginia. That is it.
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Alex, someone, somewhere said that the judge could ask for the history of any arrests or things like that of Tommy. That's why I was asking about the cases in Illinois. If that would make a difference in the Judge's ruling.
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Alex, someone, somewhere said that the judge could ask for the history of any arrests or things like that of Tommy. That's why I was asking about the cases in Illinois. If that would make a difference in the Judge's ruling.
Edited to add >---] there are no cases in Illinois, there never have been. There are allegations only.
A complaint was reported in 1985. The Police investigated and didn't find the complaint to have any merit, so TS was never arrested or charged and has no record. [however Dryden and then Pickle and Joy came along years later and said TS was guilty in that incident, and have that on their website, and the group here has taken their word about that, and more, without knowing all the facts.]
From the Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/19/AR2010071904825.html):
"Bellows asked the prosecutor why she had agreed to the plea deal proposed by defense attorneys Kimberly Irving and Thomas Pavlinic. Stott said that she had discussed the proposal with the two complainants, along with the risks and burdens of going to trial, and that they had accepted it. She said the only evidence would be the two men's testimony about the events of 15 years ago. Shelton had not spoken to police and had no criminal record, she said."
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Alex, someone, somewhere said that the judge could ask for the history of any arrests or things like that of Tommy. That's why I was asking about the cases in Illinois. If that would make a difference in the Judge's ruling.
I understand and as I said it cannot be used.
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You know what, the way I look at it, I do not care what state he did what in and just because a state has different rules and no connections and I understand sometimes how that goes, but in cases like this a molester is a molester where ever he is at and I am glad he is now in the position of possibly being caged like the animal he is. Too bad they don't send him to Siberia. and you still got those crying innocent. all I needed to see was that mother's letter and how she wrote in disbelief but she told the truth. Many I bet has not come forward. The only thing Williams is yelling on here, no proof, no proof, no proof. and that is not trying to intimidate and persuade and harass. That is harassment! I hope they how soon put him away and you leave these fellows alone.
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Lily Grow some brains, you pedophile defender!
Lily states this:
tinka
by Lilly ยป Sat Jul 31, 2010 5:14 am UTC
Most of the time I don't read tinka's words on AdventTalk but did this time and was immediately sorry. While I do not condone pedophilia in any way shape or form, yet I will not be a "Hitler" type hate-person and comdemn someone to Siberia. But it isn't even that so much as the hatred of this woman shown so severely on AdventTalk. I thought the Bible said to hate the sin but love the sinner. She even calls him an "animal." I think this is reprehensible and disgusting to talk this way about another human being over the internet, I don't care what they've done or not done.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth died for everyone. Even you tinka
Btw he is an animal, Lily, only animals do sick perverted things. Your really sick you know that, Lily?
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:ROFL:
You mean I got on a link somewhere else?? Oh my. How exciting, so now Lily Lou I want to tell you one thing in case your eyeballs come in to view of this, to see a child broken, damaged, and torn is more then I can endure and to know the suffering it causes-- society is better then I would be for sure. There are sins and then their are devil inflicted damage "intentionally" for the destruction of these young ones. You better hope you do not have to see the effects of anything like this in your immediate surroundings. Yes, animals do get confused with gender at times. You did not know that....You don't know a lot of other things either that is not normal. Sorry for you..
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Oh, Just an added thought to Lilylu in case your eyes spies this,
If you had your choice for taking punishment for sympathy of direct action of this sort, where would you perfer to be? Siberia, or Hell Fire!!
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Oh, Just an added thought to Lilylu in case your eyes spies this,
If you had your choice for taking punishment for sympathy of direct action of this sort, where would you perfer to be? Siberia, or Hell Fire!!
:goodpost:
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Lol, Tinka!
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Adam, these people have "glitches" with no common sense or they would be embarrassed or have a consicience that when they speak these things they have no compassion for the hurt of a person but only thrive on what justificaton or excuse for the perp and then use the religion to cover their sympathy for the evil deed claiming they didn't do it but the sin (devil) did it. Oh, boy. They lost it,,how do they think the devil did it hmmm??? Purley ignorant.
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Tinka,
I know we should hate the sin and not the sinner BUT Tommy has had many times to repent and to get help. I think Lily needs to work with abused children, so she can STOP defending the abuser.
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I have seen myself little children that have been through the trauma. There has been times In fact just last week with my daughter at the mall. Very low shoppers these days but there was this guy that had this child about 2 1/2 -3 years of age and the child was somehow hanging on to the front of a store stroller. For some reason the child was crying so hard and the guy just kept pushing the stoller ahead fast and then all of a sudden the child went backwards banging its head on the cement flooring and the guy then ran over him. I was far enough away that I could not speak to him and it is a good thing. The child was screaming but the guy yanked him up by the arm and threw him into the stroller and hiked it as fast as he could looking back to see if I was looking. I told my daughter I wanted to call 911 but it was too fast that he was gone. Now I will tell right here on the spot that I would have immediately done something if I would have been close enough. The child crying hard at a distance is what got my attention. I was so mad because I could not do anything about it and realized the guy got away and the child will suffer again. I have no sympathy or can anyone tell me anything different when it comes to these "human animals" and their torture to these children. You know, it was in my mind the little boy, I wanted to be able to hold him, and console him until I went to sleep that night. There is nothing that calms me down over this stuff and then hear the story of how TS inticed about his "medical problem" Lets just say I could not be on a jury. and these people that come on here yakking about what TS didn't do, I would like to stick 1 cup of PB down there throat.
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:ROFL: for the 1 cup of PB. That is better than Siberia or a deserted island with spam and canned peas!!