Advent Talk
General Category => General Discussions => Topic started by: Gailon Arthur Joy on July 30, 2011, 10:04:29 AM
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"The Rise of Tea Party Adventism" is a topic on AToday, the Voice of Heresy in Adventism and written by the apostate agnostic and evolutionist, Ervin Taylor, and can be viewed at the URL below.
http://www.atoday.org/article.php?id=790
And my response is perhaps predictable, but this heresy has inspired me to "meet it head-on". I would invite ALL Seventh-day Adventists to do the same so we can "shake these men right out of my hair" to use a "South Pacific" quote.
Gailon Arthur Joy :
Just where do I sign up to become a Tea Party Fundementalist? Where is that website? Consider me a very PROUD MEMBER and I will wear that badge with absolute resolution to eliminate the apostates of Seventh-day Adventists, of which the editor is clearly a member.
"American Adventist political landscape in the late 1950s and 1960s was relatively congenial to beginning a process of theological and cultural maturation." Ervin's statement is simply another way to define "Creaping Compromise" and apostacy.
We need to call it what it is and ask Ervin to do the ethical thing: Admit he is not a Seventh-day Adventist and resign his membership as he clearly does not endorse the SDA Fundemental Beliefs.
We will be substantially better off as a culture preparing for the final events of worlds history without this apostacy and if we must shrink to "not more than one in twenty", so be it.
Gailon Arthur Joy
AUReporter and a Tea Party Adventist
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I am disappointed, GJ... I thought through everything, we were friends........sigh......... :(
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Di,
Erv and you are poles apart.
Erv regularly bashes and insults creationists. He is an ardent advocate of evolution. When asked, he could not name one single Bible story that he believed actually happened as written.
Certainly you're not like that, are you?
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No, no.....I am just talking aobut the tea party stuff. I should hasve been more clear. When you oppose stuff you also need to know exactly what you oppose.......didnt' know the Bible stories? really? LOL!!! zNaw, that would not fly with me as I teach the SS where the pastors sit.
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When I first asked Erv what Bible narrative he thought was authoritative and accurate as written, he responded that surely the ethical statements of Jesus collected in the Sermon on the Mount were authoritative in all ages. That's the gist of his reply as I remember it.
I then asked him for clarification. I asked him whether he meant that (a) Jesus really had preached that sermon on a mountain by Galilee, or whether he meant that (b) some author way later took statements Jesus had made here and there, and put them all together into the Sermon of the Mount, but that Jesus never really had preached that sermon on a mountain by Galilee.
Erv refused to answer, and was bothered that I even asked, as I recall. I then asked a number of times after that what Bible story he thought really had happened as written, and he never would answer.
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Erv refused to answer, and was bothered that I even asked
He apparently doesn't believe any of the Bible.
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I am disappointed, GJ... I thought through everything, we were friends........sigh......... :(
So, you have determined that those who have absolute faith in the fundamentals of Seventh-day Adventist Faith and hold firmly to the "traditions" and embrace the foundations of our Faith cannot be your "friend"?
Let me firmly state it is not about friendship, it is about Faith. I will stand firmly on the belief that this is intolerance and such a stance is a bold public attempt to challenge the absolute right of conscience. You really do not want to go there and still teach a Sabbath School lesson in a Seventh-day Adventist company.
Gailon Arthur Joy, a proud TEA PARTY Seventh-day Adventist (and has not a thing to do with taxes)
AUReporter
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Calm down , GJ, we are still cool..........you can drink as much tea as you like....ok? you all dont' have any hugging smilies here, either........LOL!!!
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Just a sugestion:
Those who call themselves "Tea Party Adventists" might want to re-consider that name and pick one that is closer to Adventism in its purest form rather than a so-called apostate form. To stimulate thought I suggest the following:
Postem Party Adventists
Whea Party Adventists [NOTE: in line with Wham which comes from a Whog.]
Soy Milk Party Adventists
Non-alcoholic Grape Juice Adventists
Cashew Nut Drink Adventists
Haystack Formulated Adventists
Adams Ale Adventists [NOTE: This is a drink of what we commonly call water.]
Near Tea Party Adventists [NOTE: Anyone ever heard of near beer.]
I know that I have not exhausted the names that one might select. Good. I simply suggest that some thought be given to selecting a name that bears witness to the SDA health message rather than a pagan drink.
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After sleeping on my earlier post, I have decided that my sugestion needs more consideration. My list of suggested replacement names for "Tea Party Adventists" is a rether poor list. Surely we haved people reading this thread who could do better.
Perhaps we need a contest to pick the best replacement name. If so, we need a prize thea we coud award the winner.
In thinking about that, I will suggest that we award three boxes of the origonal Rusketts to the winner. Surely someone has in their pantry three such boxes that they could donate to the person with the best suggestion for a replacement name.
NOTE: I do not mean the Rusketts Flakes. I mean the real thing. I cannot immagine that anyone might have any remaining boxes of Rusketts Flakes. But, the origonal Rusketts, that might be. After all, Loma LInda quit making Rusketts for reasons that anyone who remembers them would understand. That leads me to believe that some might be found still in someone's pantry.
However, if such are not available, surely we could come up with another appropriate prize. Anyone care to suggest such?
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It has also occured to me that the prize could be a title. For example, it could be decidded that the winner of the contest could be granted the tiitle: Lord of Advent Talk.
But, that presents a problems. The title "Lord" would simply be not acceptable to just about all of us.
Others titles tlhat might work could include:
Shahanshah as used in the Ottoman emlpire.
Tuanku as used in Malaysia.
Morza as used in India and Persia.
Caliph as used in Islam.
Landgrave as used in Germany.
Baronet as used in Great Britan.
Vidame as used in France.
Yet, all of these titles present problems. They are applied to males and not females. As upholders of the true faith, we would not want to give a title to a female that appeared to elevate that person to a position of headship over males.
The reality is that someone like Princess Di, who is believed to be female, just might be considered to have suggested the best title. I beleive that is possible. She has a way with words and just might win.
Well, in that event, we could keep the faith by giving her a special title: Mistress of the Advent Talk Kitchen. That would certainly keep her in her place.
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So you are interested in "keeping her in her place". OUCH! And what place might that be? And just what rightful place do you think is yours?
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LOL!!! Gregory! I love ya! That was hilarious and reminiscient(sp) of the humor at the old BSDA site(we now have a page on FB.....in keeping with the times. LOL). I wish i could recal the similar thread we hadregard the various types of veggie meat.........It was priceless, and we still common refer to beggie meat products as "furry meat". LOL!!!
COTK, I am hoping your response was also posted with your tongue planted firmly in your cheek.
BTW, Gregory, why did they stop making Rusketts? I never ate them, but I am yet and still mourning the lost of Dinner Cuts(I heard something vaguely about the machine used to make them being irreparably(sp) broken), and Postum(owing it's demise to diminshing sales).
At the moment, believe it or not,I can't think of anything witty, but would not "Herbal Tea Party" do?
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Here we can get German made "Bambu". When drinking it with closed eyes I imagine it tastes like POSTUM.
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Reminds me of a former church member who avowed that he didn't eat the beast and he certainly wasn't going to eat the "image of the beast" i.e.veggie (meat?).
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Wow! With your eyes closed only? LOL!!!
Here we can get German made "Bambu". When drinking it with closed eyes I imagine it tastes like POSTUM.
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COTK, I know what he means. I know of one SDA couple who were getting married and made a HUGE deal their plans to have veggie schrimp and lobster at their reception.........I asked them what was the the point. If someone had the real deal at their reception, there would be a call board meeting to disfellowship the couple and any other SDA That had anything to do it the serving of unclean meat.....LOL!!!
I love the way he put it....Imagining the beast. LOL!!!
Reminds me of a former church member who avowed that he didn't eat the beast and he certainly wasn't going to eat the "image of the beast" i.e.veggie (meat?).
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I liked the original Rusketts...
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PD: I grew up on the origonal Rusketts and I liked them. Never did think much of the Rusketts Flakes.
There is a lesson to be learned in the dimise of Rusketts. Loma Linda discontinued them because the sales volumn was so low that they could nto make a profit. They did a study that determined that there was not price level that they could sell Rusketts for that would earn them a profit, so they discontinued them.. Who can blame them.
I can. That decision to discontiue Rusketts was a bad financial decision for Loma Linda Foods. Why? Because every box of Rusketts sold carried a certain amount of the fixed costs of Loma Linda Foods. Once it was discontinued those fixed costs had to be assigned to other products of Loma Linda Foods which made them higher cost. That higher cost immediately placed another product of Loma Linda Foods in jeopardy as to earning a profit.
Lesson learned: S ometimes it is best to continue a product that does nto earn a profit as it may carry fixed costs which would otherwise have to be passed on to other products.
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Interesting, Gregory!
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See now, I didn't know anything about Ruskettes, original or flakes. Were the orginal something like shredded wheat? Well, I won't say i didn't know anything about them, we just didn't consume them in our house......
Now for Postum, the company was taken over by another who immediately saw the low customer loyalty(only SDAs) and immediately ceased production.....hurt my feelings!!!! They had cases on Ebay for more that $100.00.
Gregory, I want to believe somethign similar happened to Dinner Cuts. They made the best sandwiches!!! Mom would also smother them in an onion gravy.....On Thanksgiving, I would prefer them next to her cornbread dressing over her delicious baked trukey..............Ooooh Thanksgiving in on the way! LOL!!!
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Origonal Rusketts: Each box contained four indivually wrapped packages. Each package containes several rectangular shapped "biskets" of compressed Rusketts flakes. For breakfast, I would crumble one of the four packages up in a bowl with milk and eat, it was good.
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Right now the name doesn't come to mind, but there was a joke:
Loma Linda foods make no . . . steaks. They make Mistakes.
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My family used to buy the Loma Linda food products at the old original Loma Linda market. The factory was in La Sierra, I believe.
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You people tempted me to buy a package of Weetabix at our local super market. I suppose this may be a substitute for Ruskets, or whatever. I have not yet decided what kind of milk I'll use. Probably our usual soy milk.
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Do you like to eat it with a fruit topping?
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Right!
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Are rusketts similar to Shredded Wheat? Shredded Wheat used to come in three or four pack packages with four packages to a box. I used to eat them every morning for breakfast. Fastforward to 2011 all I can find is Frosted Mini Wheats... which are okay...but not as okay as Shredded wheat...Never experienced Rusketts or Wheatabix.
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http://ia600506.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/12/items/nationalmagazine21brayrich/nationalmagazine21brayrich_jp2.zip&file=nationalmagazine21brayrich_jp2/nationalmagazine21brayrich_0717.jp2&scale=5.62760834670947&rotate=0
I'm sorry this link is so long. It is an image of a 1905 Shredded wheat Advert. the ad portrays a shredded wheat biscuit as big as a fifty pound sack vs. a hunk of beef that looks like it was taken from cow the size of a dinosaur! Products have certainly been downsized over the years... ;)
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The Weetabix package contains 24 biscuits wholegrain cereal. They soon get soft in milk. Made in England by Weetabix Limited. Had one this morning with soymilk and Craisins (cranberries).
This is at least related to Adventist health products which are produced in some countries by Sanitarium Health Foods.
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See now, and I never did like shredded wheat. I always thought it tasted like hay. i think it was the texture more than anything. Loved Rasin Brand.