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Issues & Concerns Category => 3ABN => Topic started by: Bob Pickle on November 07, 2012, 08:20:00 PM
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Mollie Steenson is the 3ABN contact person for 3ABN's latest litigation against the "Save 3ABN" efforts. 3ABN contracted with Steve Rinehart, a Utah lawyer, who then filed a complaint with a Minneapolis firm called National Arbitration Forum.
The problem is that the dismissal order in the case against us requires 3ABN to refile claims based on the same or similar facts only in U.S. District Court in the Central Division of the District of Massachusetts. They aren't allowed to file them with a private arbitration company in Minneapolis. Thus, 3ABN is in blatant violation of the order.
I notified NAF today of the problem with proceeding, and received a reply that said they were going to proceed anyway, and I have to file a response by November 27 (if I don't want to risk being declared in default).
To read up about NAF, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Arbitration_Forum. Note that the MN Attorney General sued them, which was settled in 2009 by a consent decree.
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We need to do everything possible to publicize the scandals. That's the one thing Danny fears more than anything else.
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He fears scandal more than anything? That's interesting!
If Mollie Steenson is the contact person for the litigation, what is her official postion in it?
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So, Bob, if you file a response by November 27, will that also be to try to counteract the arbitration proceedings?
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Could you give some more explanation as to what 3ABN's latest litigation against the "Save 3ABN" entails?
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So they, as in 3ABN, are trying to deal with the Save 3ABN sites another way, even though it is in defiance of a Federal Court Order?
Perhaps the Federal Court needs to be informed of this and have another Federal Court Order issued to stop the NAF proceedings directed at 3ABN, or directed at the NAF itself?
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So they, as in 3ABN, are trying to deal with the Save 3ABN sites another way, even though it is in defiance of a Federal Court Order?
Perhaps the Federal Court needs to be informed of this and have another Federal Court Order issued to stop the NAF proceedings directed at 3ABN, or directed at the NAF itself?
I would also be interested in an answer to Artiste's question.
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We need to do everything possible to publicize the scandals. That's the one thing Danny fears more than anything else.
It seems like AdventTalk is the only Adventist chat site that publicizes the ongoing 3ABN problems.
Others don't want to talk about it?
(Stan, I see you here from time to time...any observations?)
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It appears to me that if 3ABN does not immediately withdraw this unlawfully filed complaint, and pursue their claims in USDC, D. Mass., we will have to proceed to file a motion for injunctive relief, to show cause why 3ABN should not be held in contempt of court, for sanctions, and for whatever else we deem appropriate. Does 3ABN really want that?
As I have reviewed the facts at issue, it seems indisputable to me that 3ABN cannot rightfully come out on top on this one. We have court documents (or other legal documents in 3ABN's possession) from 2008, 2010, and 2012, which all show that they filed this current complaint in blatant violation of an explicit order of a U.S. District Judge, and all but one of these documents are freely available on http://www.3ABNvJoy.com/ (http://www.3ABNvJoy.com/).
In fact, the condition that 3ABN must file their claims in Massachusetts was something that 3ABN repeatedly argued in court and on appeal adequately protected us from the negative impact of the voluntary dismissal. (The last paragraph did not refer to these.) I fail to see how they can now argue that we don't need that protection after all. There is such a thing as estoppel.
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What exactly are 3ABN's claims and complaint in this case?
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Interesting development.
Keep us updated.
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What exactly are 3ABN's claims and complaint in this case?
It sounds like a bad joke. They're actually alleging that Gailon and I are trying to get Linda Shelton reinstated at 3ABN. She's better off not at a place that still retains a fellow who covered up child molestation allegations against a now-convicted pedophile, allegations that he had reason to believe were true, misconduct he has yet to apologize for.
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What exactly are 3ABN's claims and complaint in this case?
It sounds like a bad joke. They're actually alleging that Gailon and I are trying to get Linda Shelton reinstated at 3ABN. She's better off not at a place that still retains a fellow who covered up child molestation allegations against a now-convicted pedophile, allegations that he had reason to believe were true, misconduct he has yet to apologize for.
What would make them think that you and Gailon were trying to do that???
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What exactly are 3ABN's claims and complaint in this case?
It sounds like a bad joke. They're actually alleging that Gailon and I are trying to get Linda Shelton reinstated at 3ABN. She's better off not at a place that still retains a fellow who covered up child molestation allegations against a now-convicted pedophile, allegations that he had reason to believe were true, misconduct he has yet to apologize for.
Unbelievable!
After all these years they're still continuing with the Linda theme?
Danny Shelton must have a lot of guilt over his treatment of Linda...he can't stop trying to implicate her for something or other.
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It almost seems as though this litigation effort is being used as a smoke screen--to take attention away from Alex Walker's lawsuit and the settlement process.
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It almost seems as though this litigation effort is being used as a smoke screen--to take attention away from Alex Walker's lawsuit and the settlement process.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Johnny, tell her what she has won! :rabbit:
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He fears scandal more than anything? That's interesting!
If Mollie Steenson is the contact person for the litigation, what is her official postion in it?
He obviously doesn't fear scandal. He fears the giving public learning of the scandals.
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It almost seems as though this litigation effort is being used as a smoke screen--to take attention away from Alex Walker's lawsuit and the settlement process.
What I think they may be trying to do is keep us from publishing about that lawsuit, such as publishing my deposition transcript. But this is really silly, because we could always get a domain name without 3-A-B-N in it.
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Let's put it plainly: 3ABN has blatantly violated an explicit federal court order. Is that not contempt of court?
If they withdraw their complaint, they might lose about a $1500 filing fee. If they don't withdraw, how expensive will it get?
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When will you be able to publish your deposition transcript?
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When will you be able to publish your deposition transcript?
I wouldn't even think of doing that while preparing a motion to show cause why 3ABN should not be held in contempt of court for blatantly violating the court's order.
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:scratch:
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Alex,
What do you mean by :scratch:?
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Hi Derryl:
This is just confusing as to this happening. Wondering the reason behind it.
Btw, thanks for allowing me back on AT!
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3ABN's attorney withdrew his complaint. He said he's going to refile it. I think that would be most unwise given the fact that he's been put on notice that 3ABN is prohibited by a court order from filing such a complaint anywhere but in the Central Division of the District of Massachusetts, U.S.D.C.
This is just confusing as to this happening. Wondering the reason behind it.
I've heard or thought of two suggestions: (a) Keep us from publishing about your case. (b) Get rid of the negative publicity as preparation for Danny becoming president of 3ABN again.
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I think it is really time for Danny Shelton to retire rather than to even think of becoming president of 3ABN again.
It would be to 3ABN's benefit financially, and otherwise, for Danny Shelton to retire from any 3ABN on air activity and to not even think of becoming president of 3ABN.
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It almost seems as though this litigation effort is being used as a smoke screen--to take attention away from Alex Walker's lawsuit and the settlement process.
Who is paying for the settlement? 3ABN? Danny Shelton?
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It almost seems as though this litigation effort is being used as a smoke screen--to take attention away from Alex Walker's lawsuit and the settlement process.
Who is paying for the settlement? 3ABN? Danny Shelton?
That's a good question. I wonder how we can find out.
My understanding is that one of the attorneys had connections to an insurance company, so there's multiple possibilities.
Do you think 3ABN's premiums might go up? I don't know how insurance companies handle that kind of thing, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's like what happens to your auto insurance premiums after you have a few accidents and/or tickets.
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Is the amount of the settlement known?
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Is the amount of the settlement known?
Certainly 3ABN knows what it is, and certainly Alex knows what it is, and certainly their attorneys know what it is. Guess someone could ask them and see what they say. I'd like to know.
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Glad to hear they have dropped it, Bob.
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With regard to settlement numbers, the last numbers I had any knowledge of that were in discussion had already reached the low seven figures. The comprehensive addition of the Virginia claims clearly added significant value. My best guess is that we have a low seven figure "structured" settlement with a present value in the low seven figures but paid out over many years, similar to an annuity.
Note that a recent case settled and publicly disclosed gave each victim just over $3MM dollars and given the case here I would suggest there were reasonably equivalent settlements.
POINT IS: 3ABN HAD TO PAY FOR THE SINS OF TOMMY RAY SHELTON AND THE COVER-UP LEAD BY DANNY LEE SHELTON. THAT IS NEWS!!!
Remember, this all began with an SDA official faxing me the claims against Tommy Ray Shelton in August of 2006. Ironically, Bob had been at ASI and come across similar allegations, including raised eyebrows at the presentation of Danny's new wife. The investigation began, was joindered and has continued to this very date!!!
JUSTICE TAKES TIME!!!! As an old friend from Virginia waxes eloquently "Justice grinds on slowly, but it grinds fine with time!!!"
And then there is the FINAL JUDGMENT!!!
Gailon Arthur Joy
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